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Speaker 1: But I'll get to him later on today, But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, we've got a lot of news, including it
Speaker 1: Tony Cohn's big announcement that he has been teasing of late.
Speaker 1: He is now stating it could be revealed as early
Speaker 1: as this Wednesday's Dynamite. We'll tell you about that. It
Speaker 1: is a big in fact, something massive, is the way
Speaker 1: that he described it, of similar importance to the First
Speaker 1: Dance when c M Punk returned to wrestling after a
Speaker 1: seven year absence. We also have the main events of Rustlemania.
Speaker 1: Night one. Night to rustle Mania is about fifty five
Speaker 1: thousand tickets each night, which in fact is exactly where
Speaker 1: I said they were going to top off. They don't
Speaker 1: want to top off at fifty five thousand both nights,
Speaker 1: and so they've announced the main event of Night one
Speaker 1: and night too. So I guess if you're one of
Speaker 1: those people that you ain't going to both Knights of
Speaker 1: Rustlemania alive, that would be me. You can pick and
Speaker 1: choose now which which main event you want to see?
Speaker 1: So we'll tell you about both of those. We've got
Speaker 1: updates on so Sorrow the A w Ratings, SmackDown tonight.
Speaker 1: You'll never guess what SmackDown is advertising tonight. I'll give
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Speaker 1: your vacation. You should be a saluted for that, So salute,
Speaker 1: thank you, Mike. I appreciate that no one has me
Speaker 1: to do a cameo for you yet. That's the weird thing.
Speaker 1: I've already been asked to do a cameo for Oreo
Speaker 1: the Orca avoid Did I have fun with that one?
Speaker 1: That Big Fat Whaley. I should have said that The
Speaker 1: big announcement he has been teasing as of late could
Speaker 1: be revealed as soon as next Wednesday. Appearing on Busted
Speaker 1: Open Radio on Friday, Constant he believes he'll be in
Speaker 1: a position to announce the news next Wednesday on Dynamite.
Speaker 1: He also noted the announcement is not just about one
Speaker 1: particular piece of talent, but rather something that will impact
Speaker 1: the entire industry. I'm going to tell everyone you definitely
Speaker 1: will not want to miss Wednesday Night Dynamite next week,
Speaker 1: he said, I have a huge announcement coming, and nobody
Speaker 1: knows what it is. It is going to be something
Speaker 1: very important in the wrestling business. It's not just one
Speaker 1: particular piece of talent. It is something very special. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about it. I believe it is something we
Speaker 1: will be in a position to announce on Wednesday. Last
Speaker 1: Wednesday before Dynamite, speaking to Tony, Shovanni constantly was working
Speaker 1: on quote, something massive that was of similar importance to
Speaker 1: the First Dance when CM Punk returned to wrestling after
Speaker 1: a seven year absence. I promise you something biggest coming.
Speaker 1: It's not like the first Dance where I can put
Speaker 1: a date, time and place on it and say no,
Speaker 1: I know exactly when. But it is like the first
Speaker 1: Dance that I know something big and important. It's coming
Speaker 1: to a W, coming to a e W, and I
Speaker 1: am very excited about it. What could this be? It
Speaker 1: isn't true nobody knows except Tony Khan m hm. I'm true.
Speaker 1: It's impossible for no one to know besides Tony Cohn,
Speaker 1: because then then who would he be negotiating with somebody
Speaker 1: else has got to know, right, or or is everybody
Speaker 1: negotiating with Tony con blind? Do they not know that
Speaker 1: they are going to be the big surprise that he
Speaker 1: is talking about. I don't know, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: funny because Tony Khan is advertising a big announcement here.
Speaker 1: And a few weeks ago there was the announcement that
Speaker 1: a new talent was gonna debut on Dynamite in a
Speaker 1: face of the Revolution Ladder match qualifier and it was
Speaker 1: Keith Lee, and uh, if you guys recall correctly, that
Speaker 1: show did a good number, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: was pointed out that if you if you announced something big,
Speaker 1: the show is going to do a big number. And
Speaker 1: then last week we had a pretty big show and
Speaker 1: uh didn't do all that well. Did eight fifty thousand
Speaker 1: or something like that if I recall correctly. And you
Speaker 1: know what happens when a W has a low week.
Speaker 1: So everyone says the sky is falling, and they talked
Speaker 1: about everything that was wrong with the show and all
Speaker 1: of the matches that people didn't want to see and
Speaker 1: all this and that and uh, and invariably the next
Speaker 1: week everything is back to normal, because that's what happens
Speaker 1: with these a W ratings. I've noticed, and uh, you'll
Speaker 1: never believe what happened this week. Wednesday's episode of Dynamite
Speaker 1: one point zero one zero million viewers, up sixteen point
Speaker 1: two percent from last week, tied Dynamites debut as the
Speaker 1: show's the fourth highest viewership in two eighteen and forty nine,
Speaker 1: a point four oh up from last week. Ratings up
Speaker 1: across all demos, biggest increase in twelve to thirty four,
Speaker 1: Males up fifty eight point eight percent, females up fifty
Speaker 1: six point six percent compared to last year. It was
Speaker 1: up twenty one point five percent in total viewers and
Speaker 1: fourteen point three percent in the key demo What was it? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Jericho segment? The demo? God? Was it this Battle Royal?
Speaker 1: Was it the lead? In anyway? The point of this is, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm all about studying the ratings. Okay, I've been doing
Speaker 1: it for like twenty five years now, and they are
Speaker 1: are obsessive about studying the ratings as well. But sometimes
Speaker 1: things are just gonna go up and sometimes they're gonna
Speaker 1: go down. And it's not like the end of the world,
Speaker 1: and it's not like the greatest thing that ever happened. Either,
Speaker 1: It's just they're going to be patterns. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: other stuff on television. Sometimes people are gonna watch what
Speaker 1: else is on television. Most of those people are probably
Speaker 1: gonna DVR the show. I mean, I I uh, I think.
Speaker 1: And this is actually less so with with other programs
Speaker 1: because you know, Ron SmackDown are are are pretty stable,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's there's less stability. I've noticed with Dynamite,
Speaker 1: Like some weeks it's gonna do one point one million viewers,
Speaker 1: some week is gonna do eight d fifty viewers, and
Speaker 1: like nobody is being driven off on those low weeks.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know what it is. Something happened,
Speaker 1: whether it's the NBA or everybody wanted to watch South
Speaker 1: Park or we go to war whatever. And quite frankly,
Speaker 1: we went to war this week and they still did
Speaker 1: one point oh one million. So I think that we
Speaker 1: should study them, we should look at them, we should
Speaker 1: try to look for patterns. But the point is, don't
Speaker 1: freak out over a week. This this happens was actually
Speaker 1: the pattern is now that every few weeks there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a low number and it's gonna go back to
Speaker 1: normal afterwards. That's the pattern. Now. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's my that's my take on these numbers.
Speaker 1: For most people who it's not their business, like you know,
Speaker 1: Brandon Thurston and Dave Meltzer and people like that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dave incorporates it into his talking about the news because
Speaker 1: that's what he's been doing for years, and obviously he
Speaker 1: reports the news. He discusses that, so I get why
Speaker 1: it's a big deal a lot of fans, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's turned into the NBA Dunk contest. Like years ago,
Speaker 1: when this was new in w c W and WWF
Speaker 1: for battling head to head, it was you know, it
Speaker 1: was awesome in a lot of ways. It was new,
Speaker 1: it was fresh. They were going head to head. There
Speaker 1: were these you know, it was the biggest amount of
Speaker 1: people watching wrestling at one time that we had had
Speaker 1: in you know, since the eighties. I mean, it was insane.
Speaker 1: It was more popular than ever mainstream things that dripped
Speaker 1: into the mainstream, whereas now, like you watch the NBA
Speaker 1: Dunk competition, this last one passed. It was like it sucked.
Speaker 1: You couldn't wait to get it over fast enough, and
Speaker 1: it's like for most of the time talking about ratings,
Speaker 1: that's what it's like. I mean, yeah, there's a reason
Speaker 1: that exists, but people aren't really comparing them to how
Speaker 1: they should. A W is competing with itself. W w
Speaker 1: E is competing with itself to banter these numbers back
Speaker 1: and forth and to try to dunk on each other.
Speaker 1: It's like they're all usually bricks. Every single time. You know,
Speaker 1: no matter how dazzling your tweet is going to be,
Speaker 1: with the blindfold on in the three sixty, you've still
Speaker 1: missed because it really doesn't matter. It's is a W
Speaker 1: making Turner happy right now? Yes, they've been very happy
Speaker 1: with him. The same thing goes with w w E
Speaker 1: and USA. At the end of the day, when we
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff, it's a wash. USA desperately needs
Speaker 1: w w E. How we should be talking about ratings
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things isn't is boring frankly,
Speaker 1: because it's talking about how they will maybe impact things
Speaker 1: later on, and you start to break down those numbers,
Speaker 1: it becomes a little less fun. And that's why Brandon
Speaker 1: Thurston is a guy who loves that stuff. So that's
Speaker 1: why he covers them. But it's a tired discussion a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, unfortunately, and it fills time. People
Speaker 1: like to banter it back and forth, but I don't
Speaker 1: think people debate it and use it correctly, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like they just want to hear to
Speaker 1: don't come to the other dude, and it's like, you
Speaker 1: can do it, but it sucks. We we got a
Speaker 1: new guy here who he's new, so I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: yell at him, but he wanted to know if I
Speaker 1: if I ever talked about ratings before n x T
Speaker 1: and in a w went headhead, yes, brother, since nineteen Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one quick thing when we come back,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna move on back at a moment
Speaker 1: Observer Live back in the show. Brian Elber is here
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend like a minute on this and move on. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Don't get mad at Tim b He's new, okay, But
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I've been trying back in these ratings
Speaker 1: for these show since nine okay, and before that, before
Speaker 1: there even was a figure four weekly Dave was tracking
Speaker 1: these numbers in the Observer before it even meant anything.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, Saturday night this week
Speaker 1: did at two point three whatever. This We've been doing
Speaker 1: this forever. Okay, now listen, I'm not saying it's not
Speaker 1: important analyzing numbers at all. Okay. There's there's the the
Speaker 1: the big picture, and there's the details. Okay it is.
Speaker 1: It is interesting to look at quarter hours and go,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Every time you put Rick Fleer on
Speaker 1: TV in the Monday night Wars like hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of people tune in like he's There are certain people
Speaker 1: you can track and go, man, this guy, you put
Speaker 1: this guy on TV is gonna do way better than
Speaker 1: if the guy is not on television. Okay, same thing today.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's little stories and the numbers. Jake Cargil,
Speaker 1: Jake Cargill is a television ratings draw. You put Jake
Speaker 1: Cargill on TV and the numbers are going to go up.
Speaker 1: These things are all important, but in the big picture
Speaker 1: it is going to be a slow and steady rise.
Speaker 1: If Dynamite is going to go to one point five million,
Speaker 1: one point eight million, two million, okay, if raw is
Speaker 1: going to eventually be doing one point two million viewers regularly.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a slow and steady decline. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: never gonna be a show like when The Dark Order
Speaker 1: beat up the Young Bucks. There's never gonna be a
Speaker 1: show where like that's it. You're gonna go from a
Speaker 1: regular one point one million viewers to seven hund thousand,
Speaker 1: and those people are never It's never gonna happen like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a slow and steady rise, or it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a slow and steady decline, or it's gonna
Speaker 1: be largely steady and there's gonna be ups and downs. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the big picture. The problem is a lot of
Speaker 1: people that don't understand the ratings. They can't see this
Speaker 1: big picture. They only look at what happened this week,
Speaker 1: the show today, hunt viewers shows dead, they did something
Speaker 1: last week the people didn't like. They're never gonna that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. They're going to be weeks where the
Speaker 1: lead in is weak, for example, They're going to be
Speaker 1: weeks where people really want to watch the debut of
Speaker 1: South Park. There's and this is gonna happen there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a week where CM punk is gonna face so
Speaker 1: and so or whatever, and the number is gonna be high.
Speaker 1: You know, ce M Punk and MGF for Free on
Speaker 1: television didn't do a gigantic number. Does that mean nobody
Speaker 1: cares about the feud? Does that mean that it's not
Speaker 1: gonna draw? Of course not. It was one week. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but over whatever the word would be, uh,
Speaker 1: fixating on one week. It's same thing with raw fixating
Speaker 1: on a week's rating, fixating when they go to another network.
Speaker 1: You're wasting your time. You mentioned right there. The reason
Speaker 1: why is because you don't know why. And that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing with the numbers, as over time you'll learn
Speaker 1: from them. Because when we started doing this, what was
Speaker 1: the Monday Night War total amount of viewers that we
Speaker 1: had in in two thousand and what was it? Do
Speaker 1: you remember, off the top of your head, mixed up
Speaker 1: between the two shows, off the top of your head,
Speaker 1: what the total amount of viewers were during A million?
Speaker 1: Five million total at that point. Actually actually at the end,
Speaker 1: because WW is doing so well, it was still like
Speaker 1: around nine million, huge numbers, and and has done a
Speaker 1: two million viewers and we've watched that atrophy over time,
Speaker 1: and we learned as things started to snowball downward as
Speaker 1: to why those things happen. And that's why a lot
Speaker 1: of times that you know, people that are thinking, we're
Speaker 1: very critical of WW No, it's because we've had more
Speaker 1: data to go off of, and we've seen the decline
Speaker 1: in booking. We've seen the decline and how they did
Speaker 1: production things that they always were sharp with that a decline,
Speaker 1: and people want to take those things that we have
Speaker 1: studied about that and apply them to a w and go, well,
Speaker 1: you're not doing the same thing. Yes, most people, rational
Speaker 1: people are like every but the problem is there are
Speaker 1: so many people that just want to make this a
Speaker 1: war that they really don't benefit from. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't see how if you're a wrestling fan, you know again,
Speaker 1: why why you've got to choose sides and why people
Speaker 1: have got to be so you know that the word
Speaker 1: tribal has been thrown out there a lot, but that's
Speaker 1: what people have done with these numbers, and the reality
Speaker 1: of these numbers is we need to gather them. And yes,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, you put them up there, and yes,
Speaker 1: it gives you a little bit of a wave off
Speaker 1: the shore, but there's a whole ocean out there that
Speaker 1: you have to learn from. And that's when people want
Speaker 1: to They don't want to do that. They don't want
Speaker 1: to like study numbers and actually see how things work
Speaker 1: and actually put real thought behind them. They just want
Speaker 1: to make the tweet. And that's why most of the
Speaker 1: times these discussions have gotten so old and long in
Speaker 1: the tooth that you know, even bothering to talk about
Speaker 1: ratings is ridiculous other than the fact there's so many
Speaker 1: people that will hit a YouTube view to see it,
Speaker 1: or you know, the tweet gets retweeted, like the responses
Speaker 1: that you get on your tweets. I mean, as ridiculous
Speaker 1: as it is for you, there are some people that
Speaker 1: just have got to feel the need to do that
Speaker 1: every single week, and you know, it sucks to have
Speaker 1: to shine a light on them, but hopefully we don't
Speaker 1: have to. And in fact, I don't know how we
Speaker 1: can transition away from that. But new book Alert And
Speaker 1: I know you right now, I know you usually don't
Speaker 1: like books. Let me do. But you don't usually like
Speaker 1: books unless you know you're writing them or it's your
Speaker 1: turn to color in them. But I just literally literally
Speaker 1: just got this in the mail for all the old
Speaker 1: heads out there and people that like to read Wahoo
Speaker 1: McDaniel the new John Cosper book with Lawhoo McDaniel's wife Karen,
Speaker 1: so they're eat sleep Russell dot Com. I think where
Speaker 1: you can pick that up. John Cosper does a good job.
Speaker 1: Black Panther. Jim Mitchell has done some other good historical books.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to read that. Because Wlawhoo McDaniel
Speaker 1: was one of your favorite wrestlers, favorite wrestler guaranteed. Whooo.
Speaker 1: How to move on from this discussion? You know how
Speaker 1: to move on from the discussion. You stop talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm done talking about ratings. Let's go alright. We have
Speaker 1: the main events for WrestleMania one in two. So if
Speaker 1: you're not going to both Knights of WrestleMania, like I'm not,
Speaker 1: here's here's your lineup. My lineup. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: one match for each night. If you want to see
Speaker 1: Charlotte Flair versus ron Da Rousey is the main event
Speaker 1: of the show you go to. You need to buy
Speaker 1: a ticket for Night one. That is the main event
Speaker 1: of April second WrestleMania show. You understand, Mike, you idiots
Speaker 1: we are man. You want to see God, you want
Speaker 1: to see brock Lessner versus Roman Reigns. You must buy
Speaker 1: a ticket for night too of WrestleMania. That will be
Speaker 1: April third, Sunday. So there you go. If you want
Speaker 1: to see both of these, you gotta buy a ticket
Speaker 1: for both shows. That includes you gotta get a ticket
Speaker 1: for parking. You gotta get in and out of this
Speaker 1: giant building with a bunch of other idiots. It's gonna suck.
Speaker 1: I'm still furious about this two night gimmick. They can
Speaker 1: make all the money they want. I ain't going I
Speaker 1: know the real shark jumping point with with all of
Speaker 1: this stuff with you came back when they started moving
Speaker 1: pay per view times back and we remember all of
Speaker 1: the yelling and screaming you did about the West. Yes
Speaker 1: it did. That's where historically when people look back at
Speaker 1: Brian albat Is losing his mind over WrestleMania. But I
Speaker 1: think today is the point where I think I have
Speaker 1: realized that they are going to continue to do tonight
Speaker 1: WrestleMania's and they're going to be seventy five. They are,
Speaker 1: And this is the point where you are going to
Speaker 1: stop watching all of WrestleMania. At some point, we're going
Speaker 1: to get Bryan reviews where it's just Dave and you have.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be you talking about you fast forwarding through
Speaker 1: like seven matches. It's gonna be it's coming this way.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where this shark got ten years away.
Speaker 1: Shark got jumped during that uh that New York, New
Speaker 1: Jersey WrestleMania, I think they called it New York WrestleMania
Speaker 1: was actually New Jersey. But uh, I mean, bro, it
Speaker 1: took me forever to get into that stupid building and
Speaker 1: then on the way home and oh, Ed, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about if I would have just taken
Speaker 1: your stupid bus. Okay, bro, it took me. I didn't
Speaker 1: get home until four am in the morning out of
Speaker 1: that WrestleMania. And that's the way it was. Bro. Dude, listen,
Speaker 1: if there's a one night WrestleMania, I'll go, okay, but
Speaker 1: I ain't doing this two nights in a row. It's
Speaker 1: not happening. I am sticking to it. I am not
Speaker 1: going to both Knights of WrestleMania this year. At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to either night of Wrestleman And you know,
Speaker 1: the funny thing is they are gonna do uh, they're
Speaker 1: gonna do pretty well. They're at fifty five thousand. I
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna top out at fifty five thousand,
Speaker 1: but like they're pulling out the Steve Austin's in the
Speaker 1: whole nine yards, so they may they may do sixty
Speaker 1: sixty five thousand or whatever. Okay, But when I was
Speaker 1: angry about this, I said, listen, I'm one guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm one guy. I'm not saying that nobody is gonna
Speaker 1: go to WrestleMania. I'm not saying everybody is like me.
Speaker 1: I'm just a dude who has made a decision. Okay.
Speaker 1: But you know it's funny about this. We used to
Speaker 1: do this WrestleMania thing every year, and it was more
Speaker 1: than just me. We have like a whole group of
Speaker 1: people that used to go to WrestleMania every year. I
Speaker 1: can't find any of those people that are going this year.
Speaker 1: So apparently I'm not the only one who don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with getting in and out of his damn
Speaker 1: stadium two nights in a row. And by the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, people were like, oh, well you know
Speaker 1: what would you prefer one six hour WrestleMania or to
Speaker 1: three hour wrestle medias? And it's like, oh well, you know,
Speaker 1: to three hour wrestle media it's much easier than Bro.
Speaker 1: You think this this first night of WrestleMania is gonna
Speaker 1: be three hours? You think Night too of WrestleMania is
Speaker 1: gonna be three hours. If that's the case, have I
Speaker 1: got a cameo to sell to you. It ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be three hours on night one and three hours on
Speaker 1: night too? Are you out of your mind? That's a
Speaker 1: great story. It's a great thing to say. Oh hey,
Speaker 1: you're complaining about it, but trust me, three hours for
Speaker 1: one night it's gonna be better. Bro, Then ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be three hours? You're telling me that I'm gonna sell
Speaker 1: tickets for people to show up in a wrestle media
Speaker 1: they're gonna give a three hour show. Bro, the video
Speaker 1: package a loan, They're gonna be three hours. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean in that building for six hours, you're gonna
Speaker 1: add to get in, get out and do the whole
Speaker 1: the whole thing the next day. Listen to yourself. Do
Speaker 1: you ever think did you ever think that people just
Speaker 1: have stopped wanting to hanging out with your ass because
Speaker 1: the way you bitch and wind and hang out with
Speaker 1: when we went, I can see why man trying to
Speaker 1: sell a que Are you going to Mania? No? Of
Speaker 1: course not. Yeah for that mess were crazy And if
Speaker 1: I did, I just go to collective stuff anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: so I am. Do you know we got smacked down tonight?
Speaker 1: You know they're doing on this show? I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you after the break Wrestling Observer Live. You
Speaker 1: know I can always tell who has never actually gone
Speaker 1: to a WrestleMania. Oh god, this guy here, dude watches
Speaker 1: eight thousand ares the wrestling a week and is bothered
Speaker 1: by walking into a building. That's a man who's never
Speaker 1: gone to a WrestleMania. You know what he also is.
Speaker 1: He's a man who's gonna get on the keyboard and
Speaker 1: he's gonna go right, but the last nine WrestleMania's Maybe, buddy,
Speaker 1: tell me what about your girlfriend in Canada while you're
Speaker 1: at it? Oh, listen to this. She goes to the
Speaker 1: other schools, like what you're saying before you say anything else.
Speaker 1: By the way, maybe it's just we're getting old. You're
Speaker 1: getting old and not in a bad way. It's just
Speaker 1: that this is the evolution of things. I look at
Speaker 1: festivals over two and three days. I look at what
Speaker 1: w E wants to accomplish corporately and financially, how it
Speaker 1: benefits the city. Why you do things in the way
Speaker 1: that you do, And you can say this blows, it sucks.
Speaker 1: That's just how it goes. We don't have wrestling shows
Speaker 1: on Christmas night anymore, and and Thanksgiving night anymore. I
Speaker 1: mean things times change, traditions and wrestling change, and it
Speaker 1: may just be a matter of well, you know, if
Speaker 1: you like that and can handle it, and and have
Speaker 1: the money to spend on all that stuff, which has
Speaker 1: always been one of the limiting things for me. I've
Speaker 1: had a family, I've had a job that at times
Speaker 1: I couldn't actually leave like that. You'd have the UFC
Speaker 1: convention when the site first started. I couldn't get away
Speaker 1: in July to go to those things. I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have gone to those things. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And then I had my son. There's financials,
Speaker 1: and there's just so many things that as you get
Speaker 1: older and as you change, I mean, it's almost impossible.
Speaker 1: So they become I pay per view events and they
Speaker 1: become streaming events, and that's where the value is that way.
Speaker 1: So this is unfortunately time for a lot of us
Speaker 1: who liked it the older way because it was so
Speaker 1: much easier. It's just not the way it's going to
Speaker 1: be anymore. It's not about easier, it's about convenience or not.
Speaker 1: I'm going to double or nothing, and I'm gonna work
Speaker 1: my way into that building and I'm gonna work my
Speaker 1: way out of that and we're going to do it,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have the time of my life. And
Speaker 1: if you know, I'm not Tony, con listen to me, homie.
Speaker 1: If you don't think that they could turn that into
Speaker 1: a two day think if they found out they could.
Speaker 1: If they found out, cities would kind of bid for
Speaker 1: this stuff because we need stuff coming in and he
Speaker 1: could pull it off. Don't you think they would? Of
Speaker 1: course they would. And it's doing it one time, doing
Speaker 1: it more than one time because it was successful, then
Speaker 1: it's not as awesome anymore. And that's when a w
Speaker 1: does a to night double or nothing that's six hours
Speaker 1: each night, then I'm not going to go. But until then,
Speaker 1: until but for the same reasons, for the same reasons. Why.
Speaker 1: But that's any other wrestling show. It's any other wrestling
Speaker 1: show besides WrestleMania. What other one runs two days like
Speaker 1: that at that level. Nobody now except for New Japan,
Speaker 1: which is gonna you're talking about two nights in the exactly,
Speaker 1: but there's either. But there's another level of insanity there
Speaker 1: that is already blowing up in their face. But that's
Speaker 1: a story for another day. It looks yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work for them at all in the cities that they
Speaker 1: want to run and move this thing around. I just
Speaker 1: times have changed, and that's It's simply that's the way
Speaker 1: it is. Well, they can have fun. I'll be I'll
Speaker 1: be elsewhere tonight on SmackDown. Everybody tonight on SmackDown. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. There is a contract signing. I
Speaker 1: don't even know who, but anyway, there is wrong. And
Speaker 1: we also got Drew mc attire and mad Cap Moss
Speaker 1: taking place tonight after Madcap mus almost got killed last week.
Speaker 1: Sammy Zane celebrates his championship win and the contract signing.
Speaker 1: By the way, you idiot is Roman Reigns and Lestner
Speaker 1: not Runda rousing and you think you're gonna another contract
Speaker 1: signing after that one day. That thing they did last
Speaker 1: week where Charlotte couldn't even get her head slammed into
Speaker 1: a table sounds two weeks ago. I think on it.
Speaker 1: M everything's all off. Hawaiian time is different. How about
Speaker 1: that radio silence? That's what radio silences everybody. It is
Speaker 1: radio silence because you know what it's okay to be silent.
Speaker 1: You have to talk all the time. Mike is right.
Speaker 1: This person says Coachella used in God's name, is arguing
Speaker 1: that you can't. I don't care if Rustle dude, you
Speaker 1: want to run wrestle media seven straight nights, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna go. I'm not a bad guy
Speaker 1: for it. I got better things to do. Then. This
Speaker 1: is for six hours. This is durfing into you not
Speaker 1: watching WrestleMania on both nights for the entire night. At
Speaker 1: some point that's gonna come, that's gonna watch because you're
Speaker 1: gonna say the same thing. I don't need to watch
Speaker 1: these geeks or no, that's you. I'm not gonna want
Speaker 1: n x T two point Oh wait a second one.
Speaker 1: I I have great joy during Rustlemania. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen my tweets during WrestleMania. I always
Speaker 1: have a blast WrestleMania. I don't even put it in
Speaker 1: my mind as a anything serious anymore. It's a one
Speaker 1: night event. It's a party. That's what it should be.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's still a party. You are like here,
Speaker 1: old man, where it's just like man, I gotta deal
Speaker 1: with the kids and I had to do this, and
Speaker 1: nobody wants to come over. It's eight hours. So I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not watching any of that because
Speaker 1: the main event and the things I want to see
Speaker 1: are gonna come later on anyway. Or it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a story about fast forward d v arn things. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be anything that I say, Or do you
Speaker 1: just have to yell stuff on the radio. One of
Speaker 1: any problem Brian Entertainment. I have no problem sitting in
Speaker 1: my house and watching wrestle Media over tonight. Zero all
Speaker 1: I'm saying now, I ain't going Now. You don't know
Speaker 1: the two of us there. There's one of us here
Speaker 1: that has no prostation n x T two point oh
Speaker 1: every week because it's my job. There's another not my
Speaker 1: job to watch it is not my job to watch
Speaker 1: n X ten. You point out to watch a show
Speaker 1: that when you're doing a national radio show, let's just
Speaker 1: when you're not here. Nobody wants to hear when you're
Speaker 1: not here. Nobody asked me about point. In fact, they
Speaker 1: go out of the way to say, don't review it,
Speaker 1: and I still review it and watch it. Why don't
Speaker 1: you go check out the Hey take cruise guy? Watch match?
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch that? Do you ever catch back
Speaker 1: up on the things? Not laruine Surrey, but s legend
Speaker 1: me more about these these matches nobody wants to see? Well,
Speaker 1: what about all those matches you didn't watch while you
Speaker 1: were on vacation the last time and on your cruise
Speaker 1: you didn't catch back up? It wasn't so important, listen you,
Speaker 1: mr mr journalist, mr TV reviewer, You didn't even got
Speaker 1: everything's in fact, the wrestling world keeps turning, and I
Speaker 1: gotta watch all of this other stuff. So let's look
Speaker 1: at this feedback. Did okay, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Did you watch either of the g c W shows
Speaker 1: from this past weekend? Did you watch Prestige from this
Speaker 1: last weekend? Did you watch New Japan Strong or the
Speaker 1: two New Japan shows from this past weekend. Did you
Speaker 1: watch Stardom? Did you watch any of those things? Mr Alvarez,
Speaker 1: did you watch the Jersey Championship Wrestling show House of
Speaker 1: Hardcore Terminus last night? What in God's name are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Well, if you're by the way, everybody an
Speaker 1: Tom Lawler's show, if you'd like to hear about stardom
Speaker 1: in New Japan? Strong, Mr News here, Rustlemania Levin, you're
Speaker 1: on will the MSG Show beyond the Peacock and Network?
Speaker 1: M I apologize for being a jerk on it, which
Speaker 1: thanks for unblocking me. I didn't unblock you. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you got through, But the point of this
Speaker 1: is trying to block this point. The MSG Show will
Speaker 1: not be on Peacock or the network, but that could change.
Speaker 1: And they went out of their way, by the way,
Speaker 1: to note that brock Lessner and Bobby Lashley is not
Speaker 1: taking place in MSG. They've known this whole time that
Speaker 1: they've been promoting it, but at least they've told us
Speaker 1: in advance now not to buy your tickets to see
Speaker 1: that match because you ain't gonna see it. This person
Speaker 1: here says, Brian, are you Mexican? Yes, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we get new people who just that's a question
Speaker 1: for cameo, what are you going to discuss your lineage? Brian?
Speaker 1: While you were in Hawaii, have you been able to
Speaker 1: meet up with your favorite Honolulu caller, Brian? Well, my friend,
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching this raw, this raw show
Speaker 1: the other night and there was a match with um
Speaker 1: uh von Cruz. Have you ever heard of that guy,
Speaker 1: the former Skull van Crush von Cruz they called him,
Speaker 1: and he was wrestling the Native American Tatanka and uh.
Speaker 1: And they announced it von Cruz was from and I
Speaker 1: quote Germany where I don't know where. They just said
Speaker 1: he was in Germany. Well, my friend, I'm in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: but I'm not anywhere near Honolulu. In order to meet
Speaker 1: up with my friend from Honnolulu, and I have to
Speaker 1: get on an airplane and or a boat actually would
Speaker 1: be or not and or But the point of this
Speaker 1: is no, I have not met up with a guy
Speaker 1: in another land. On my trip to this island. Was
Speaker 1: wrestling news spinning in this the world and this guy's
Speaker 1: watching Skull von Crush from Germany, parts of known Germany. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know what it's entertaining and listen to that show, Brian.
Speaker 1: The MGF promo last night was genius. Growing up around
Speaker 1: a narcissist. You would be an out and out horrible
Speaker 1: person in every turn, and then have a moment where
Speaker 1: you would doubt for a single second because they were
Speaker 1: blaying everything they've ever done on being treated wrong, and
Speaker 1: then go back to they were, which is where I
Speaker 1: think that this is going. This is all genius, definitely real.
Speaker 1: I also just want to add this reminds me of
Speaker 1: the John Jones tweet saying everyone can cheer up because
Speaker 1: I'm sad. Now he needs to get some help he did. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a probably. Uh. Here's the thing. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing about the genius aspect of this, and it's only
Speaker 1: genius because we have gotten so far away from this
Speaker 1: in pro wrestling, and some of it by circumstance. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just can't go as long people do not pay
Speaker 1: attention to storylines as long they've been bastardized so much
Speaker 1: from w w E that it's it's difficult to in
Speaker 1: the same way that other promotions, indie promotions and foreign
Speaker 1: promotions can get away with it. This is just great
Speaker 1: layered story. This is the way it should be with
Speaker 1: every main event angle, not only every main event angle,
Speaker 1: but every angle that's supposed to matter, your semi mainz
Speaker 1: things that may tie into other people are in the
Speaker 1: main event now. They need to be in serious things
Speaker 1: and with layers to them as well. And I I
Speaker 1: hope we see more of this because I think again,
Speaker 1: I m JF is fantastic how they're playing this, playing
Speaker 1: into reality right now. I mean with with Dex Harwood
Speaker 1: coming out and things like that. For m JF two
Speaker 1: take this on and we're getting another layer you know,
Speaker 1: in his backstory, as well as him using this as
Speaker 1: ammunition to probably just tell people how whiny they are
Speaker 1: and how great he is and how much of an
Speaker 1: idiot Punk is, because you see him lurning Punk into
Speaker 1: his trap right now, with how he walked out of
Speaker 1: Aaron Punks, the look on Punk's face after Punk wanted
Speaker 1: to kill him, literally murder this guy only weeks earlier.
Speaker 1: I mean, damn it, this is the way it should be.
Speaker 1: All the time you talk about this with m JF,
Speaker 1: why he's so good and how he's so much better
Speaker 1: than everybody else. Everybody wouldn't prove if we had this
Speaker 1: mentality when he came to this sort of stuff wrestling.
Speaker 1: His person here says, you have been analyzing ratings since
Speaker 1: I was a sperm. Thank you. True. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that teases of a huge announcement is the reason the
Speaker 1: viewership bounced back. No, it is not, because this has
Speaker 1: been Uh. I don't think anybody was expecting any announcement
Speaker 1: this coming Wednesday. He didn't announce that it was gonna
Speaker 1: be announcement this Wednesday. So if there was a huge
Speaker 1: bounce as a result of the announcement of an announcement,
Speaker 1: that would be the Wednesday. So you can track that
Speaker 1: if you'd like. To This person here says Brian, there's
Speaker 1: someone in aubs out of It's with a bag or
Speaker 1: box over their head. The difference is it a bag
Speaker 1: or a box. They're always there in every city, even
Speaker 1: on dark. It may just be a fan. But if
Speaker 1: this is part of the show and it surprise is
Speaker 1: coming from it, please don't spoil it. I just want
Speaker 1: to say that I love that A w as little
Speaker 1: things like that for those paying attention. Well, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to spoil it if I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Who has a bag or a box on their head.
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna tell me? No, I don't. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you who is it? You know, tell me during
Speaker 1: the break Yes, back in a moment, it was of
Speaker 1: her life. Yes, I knew the bad guy was Mike
Speaker 1: can confirm. What I did not know was that I
Speaker 1: was supposed to care so much. That's what's news to me.
Speaker 1: Wanting in the chat here? Depending on don't reveal it
Speaker 1: the text her? I want to just depending on who
Speaker 1: this text follows on Twitter. They obviously don't follow this
Speaker 1: person who has tweeted about it with reference to themselves.
Speaker 1: I believe so I did. I didn't think it was funny.
Speaker 1: I was on the I was on the chat here
Speaker 1: and and someone goes, okay, here it is. I want
Speaker 1: you to guy's name. I won't see you guy's name.
Speaker 1: He goes, I wasn't a fan of his, but I'm
Speaker 1: interested to know what this is all about. He has
Speaker 1: a bag on his head. Well, what what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, you know you had a great audience with
Speaker 1: like they're intrigued because you have a bag on your head.
Speaker 1: Oh man, where could this be going? He's wearing a
Speaker 1: bag on his head? CALLI think of all the possibilities.
Speaker 1: Maybe his nose fell off, maybe he grew a third eye,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's all I could think of. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: he's a bandit and thought of that one mama worked
Speaker 1: at a grocery store. I don't I don't know. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: mm oh hey intrigue, whatever works, all right. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: maybe he's uh, what was that guy's name in Kaiju
Speaker 1: Big Battle Doctor? What's his Name's not? Dr Cube? Dr? Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he's Dr Cube and thought of that. Anyway, we're
Speaker 1: out of time. I had a great time doing Observer
Speaker 1: Live from Hawaii everybody, but now it's back to real
Speaker 1: life here on Sunday. Andrew's gonna be here Sunday. I'll
Speaker 1: be back Monday and uh later on this weekend with Dave.
Speaker 1: And that's it. So thanks to Mike has always callers
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