WEBVTT - Listener Feedback/Tony Khan Big Announcement 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:11.720 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network, 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.440 live from San Francisco. I'm the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.680 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Vibe with your hosts 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:25.960 Brian Alvarez and Mike semperviv Ready Are you ready? Let's 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:32.040 get it all. How's it going everybody? Brian Alvarez here 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.400 on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every day Monday 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.960 through Friday, New Pacific three Eastern Sunday three Pacific, sixth Eastern. 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Brian at Wrestling Observer dot com is 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.800 the email at Brian Elbarez on Twitter if you'd like 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.400 to send a tweet, and of course affordable you online 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.919 on Cameo flooded this morning with cameos my Lord in Heaven. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.920 But I'll get to him later on today, But in 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.600 the meantime, we've got a lot of news, including it 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.320 Tony Cohn's big announcement that he has been teasing of late. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.120 He is now stating it could be revealed as early 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:48.320 as this Wednesday's Dynamite. We'll tell you about that. It 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.640 is a big in fact, something massive, is the way 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.919 that he described it, of similar importance to the First 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.400 Dance when c M Punk returned to wrestling after a 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.560 seven year absence. We also have the main events of Rustlemania. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.480 Night one. Night to rustle Mania is about fifty five 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.560 thousand tickets each night, which in fact is exactly where 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.080 I said they were going to top off. They don't 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.520 want to top off at fifty five thousand both nights, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.000 and so they've announced the main event of Night one 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:20.760 and night too. So I guess if you're one of 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.560 those people that you ain't going to both Knights of 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.760 Rustlemania alive, that would be me. You can pick and 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.600 choose now which which main event you want to see? 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.600 So we'll tell you about both of those. We've got 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:37.080 updates on so Sorrow the A w Ratings, SmackDown tonight. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.240 You'll never guess what SmackDown is advertising tonight. I'll give 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.680 you a whole commercial break to think about it. Back 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:57.760 in a moment. Wrestling Observer Live back in the show, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.720 Bring Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Mike's Amber Vivi also 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:07.560 Wrestling Observer dot Com. Hello, all of our top tier 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.000 YouTube subscribers, most of you on all of you, and 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.160 of course all of our Twitch homies as well. We 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.600 got a lot to get into today Sports Byline USA. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.639 We're gonna do some news and then we're gonna take 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.080 some some feedback here today because we've got plenty of 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.120 time for feedback because no big shocking news today, at 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.120 least I don't think so looking at everything that's going on. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.000 But we do have some news to get into if 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.840 you want to. Texas zero seven five six six Brian 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.720 and Wrestling Observer dot Com at Brian Alvarez on Twitter 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:49.280 at four W online on cameo that it's bucks. Yeah, hey, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.360 it's listen. It's worth thirty five bucks. Look I'm not 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.760 I'm serious. People of are tagging me on tweets set 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.520 telling me and showing me the cameo, saying look at 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.040 this nice thing that Brian said from my fourteen year 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.400 old for his birthday, or look at what how well 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.320 bro Brian buried Reddit or whatever it would happen to be. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.160 Have all been very well done and doing these on 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.520 your vacation. You should be a saluted for that, So salute, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.440 thank you, Mike. I appreciate that no one has me 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.479 to do a cameo for you yet. That's the weird thing. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.600 I've already been asked to do a cameo for Oreo 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.719 the Orca avoid Did I have fun with that one? 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:31.640 That Big Fat Whaley. I should have said that The 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.800 big announcement he has been teasing as of late could 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.880 be revealed as soon as next Wednesday. Appearing on Busted 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.120 Open Radio on Friday, Constant he believes he'll be in 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.760 a position to announce the news next Wednesday on Dynamite. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.440 He also noted the announcement is not just about one 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:49.000 particular piece of talent, but rather something that will impact 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:55.800 the entire industry. I'm going to tell everyone you definitely 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.520 will not want to miss Wednesday Night Dynamite next week, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.120 he said, I have a huge announcement coming, and nobody 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.520 knows what it is. It is going to be something 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.000 very important in the wrestling business. It's not just one 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.479 particular piece of talent. It is something very special. I'm 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.640 really excited about it. I believe it is something we 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.960 will be in a position to announce on Wednesday. Last 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.359 Wednesday before Dynamite, speaking to Tony, Shovanni constantly was working 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.720 on quote, something massive that was of similar importance to 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.480 the First Dance when CM Punk returned to wrestling after 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.000 a seven year absence. I promise you something biggest coming. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.480 It's not like the first Dance where I can put 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.760 a date, time and place on it and say no, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.680 I know exactly when. But it is like the first 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.520 Dance that I know something big and important. It's coming 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.920 to a W, coming to a e W, and I 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.880 am very excited about it. What could this be? It 0:05:55.000 --> 0:06:00.000 isn't true nobody knows except Tony Khan m hm. I'm true. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.880 It's impossible for no one to know besides Tony Cohn, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.799 because then then who would he be negotiating with somebody 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.240 else has got to know, right, or or is everybody 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.160 negotiating with Tony con blind? Do they not know that 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.400 they are going to be the big surprise that he 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.400 is talking about. I don't know, but you know, it's 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.120 funny because Tony Khan is advertising a big announcement here. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.960 And a few weeks ago there was the announcement that 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.240 a new talent was gonna debut on Dynamite in a 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.680 face of the Revolution Ladder match qualifier and it was 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.440 Keith Lee, and uh, if you guys recall correctly, that 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.520 show did a good number, and uh, you know, it 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.360 was pointed out that if you if you announced something big, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.400 the show is going to do a big number. And 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.680 then last week we had a pretty big show and 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.520 uh didn't do all that well. Did eight fifty thousand 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.320 or something like that if I recall correctly. And you 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.839 know what happens when a W has a low week. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.240 So everyone says the sky is falling, and they talked 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.400 about everything that was wrong with the show and all 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.440 of the matches that people didn't want to see and 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.120 all this and that and uh, and invariably the next 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.280 week everything is back to normal, because that's what happens 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.120 with these a W ratings. I've noticed, and uh, you'll 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.240 never believe what happened this week. Wednesday's episode of Dynamite 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.800 one point zero one zero million viewers, up sixteen point 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:30.800 two percent from last week, tied Dynamites debut as the 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.360 show's the fourth highest viewership in two eighteen and forty nine, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.120 a point four oh up from last week. Ratings up 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.440 across all demos, biggest increase in twelve to thirty four, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.240 Males up fifty eight point eight percent, females up fifty 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:54.400 six point six percent compared to last year. It was 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.360 up twenty one point five percent in total viewers and 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:04.760 fourteen point three percent in the key demo What was it? Everybody? 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.360 Jericho segment? The demo? God? Was it this Battle Royal? 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:17.480 Was it the lead? In anyway? The point of this is, listen, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:22.280 I'm all about studying the ratings. Okay, I've been doing 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.280 it for like twenty five years now, and they are 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.520 are obsessive about studying the ratings as well. But sometimes 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.199 things are just gonna go up and sometimes they're gonna 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.800 go down. And it's not like the end of the world, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.240 and it's not like the greatest thing that ever happened. Either, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.840 It's just they're going to be patterns. There's gonna be 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.080 other stuff on television. Sometimes people are gonna watch what 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.480 else is on television. Most of those people are probably 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:50.240 gonna DVR the show. I mean, I I uh, I think. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.840 And this is actually less so with with other programs 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.840 because you know, Ron SmackDown are are are pretty stable, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.400 but you know, there's there's less stability. I've noticed with Dynamite, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.319 Like some weeks it's gonna do one point one million viewers, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.280 some week is gonna do eight d fifty viewers, and 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.280 like nobody is being driven off on those low weeks. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.360 It's just I don't know what it is. Something happened, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.839 whether it's the NBA or everybody wanted to watch South 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.000 Park or we go to war whatever. And quite frankly, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.480 we went to war this week and they still did 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.960 one point oh one million. So I think that we 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.880 should study them, we should look at them, we should 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.440 try to look for patterns. But the point is, don't 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.640 freak out over a week. This this happens was actually 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.120 the pattern is now that every few weeks there's gonna 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.880 be a low number and it's gonna go back to 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.719 normal afterwards. That's the pattern. Now. I don't know why, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.360 but anyway, that's my that's my take on these numbers. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.880 For most people who it's not their business, like you know, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:56.199 Brandon Thurston and Dave Meltzer and people like that. I mean, yeah, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:01.320 Dave incorporates it into his talking about the news because 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.320 that's what he's been doing for years, and obviously he 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.960 reports the news. He discusses that, so I get why 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.840 it's a big deal a lot of fans, though, I mean, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.440 it's turned into the NBA Dunk contest. Like years ago, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.439 when this was new in w c W and WWF 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.440 for battling head to head, it was you know, it 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.680 was awesome in a lot of ways. It was new, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.240 it was fresh. They were going head to head. There 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.680 were these you know, it was the biggest amount of 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.839 people watching wrestling at one time that we had had 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.959 in you know, since the eighties. I mean, it was insane. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.560 It was more popular than ever mainstream things that dripped 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.880 into the mainstream, whereas now, like you watch the NBA 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.880 Dunk competition, this last one passed. It was like it sucked. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.600 You couldn't wait to get it over fast enough, and 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.080 it's like for most of the time talking about ratings, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.559 that's what it's like. I mean, yeah, there's a reason 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.880 that exists, but people aren't really comparing them to how 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.319 they should. A W is competing with itself. W w 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.640 E is competing with itself to banter these numbers back 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.480 and forth and to try to dunk on each other. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.000 It's like they're all usually bricks. Every single time. You know, 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.320 no matter how dazzling your tweet is going to be, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.480 with the blindfold on in the three sixty, you've still 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.120 missed because it really doesn't matter. It's is a W 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.440 making Turner happy right now? Yes, they've been very happy 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.800 with him. The same thing goes with w w E 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.520 and USA. At the end of the day, when we 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.959 talk about this stuff, it's a wash. USA desperately needs 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.800 w w E. How we should be talking about ratings 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.560 in the grand scheme of things isn't is boring frankly, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.480 because it's talking about how they will maybe impact things 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.160 later on, and you start to break down those numbers, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.400 it becomes a little less fun. And that's why Brandon 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.839 Thurston is a guy who loves that stuff. So that's 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.760 why he covers them. But it's a tired discussion a 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.760 lot of the time, unfortunately, and it fills time. People 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.520 like to banter it back and forth, but I don't 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.840 think people debate it and use it correctly, you know 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.880 what I'm saying, Like they just want to hear to 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.880 don't come to the other dude, and it's like, you 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.760 can do it, but it sucks. We we got a 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.440 new guy here who he's new, so I'm not gonna 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.000 yell at him, but he wanted to know if I 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.040 if I ever talked about ratings before n x T 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:16.040 and in a w went headhead, yes, brother, since nineteen Okay. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.079 I'm gonna say one quick thing when we come back, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.360 and then I'm gonna move on back at a moment 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:46.839 Observer Live back in the show. Brian Elber is here 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.880 Wrestling Observer Live mixumbur viv, also Wrestling Observer dot Com. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.480 I'm gonna spend like a minute on this and move on. Everyone. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.760 Don't get mad at Tim b He's new, okay, But 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.880 here's the deal. I've been trying back in these ratings 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.160 for these show since nine okay, and before that, before 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.160 there even was a figure four weekly Dave was tracking 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.840 these numbers in the Observer before it even meant anything. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.000 It was just like, you know, Saturday night this week 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.959 did at two point three whatever. This We've been doing 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.520 this forever. Okay, now listen, I'm not saying it's not 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:23.359 important analyzing numbers at all. Okay. There's there's the the 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.679 the big picture, and there's the details. Okay it is. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.640 It is interesting to look at quarter hours and go, 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.600 oh my god. Every time you put Rick Fleer on 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.040 TV in the Monday night Wars like hundreds of thousands 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.800 of people tune in like he's There are certain people 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.199 you can track and go, man, this guy, you put 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.600 this guy on TV is gonna do way better than 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.840 if the guy is not on television. Okay, same thing today. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.000 You know, there's there's little stories and the numbers. Jake Cargil, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.440 Jake Cargill is a television ratings draw. You put Jake 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.360 Cargill on TV and the numbers are going to go up. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.960 These things are all important, but in the big picture 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.040 it is going to be a slow and steady rise. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.840 If Dynamite is going to go to one point five million, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.360 one point eight million, two million, okay, if raw is 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.880 going to eventually be doing one point two million viewers regularly. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:21.080 It's gonna be a slow and steady decline. Okay, there's 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.120 never gonna be a show like when The Dark Order 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.440 beat up the Young Bucks. There's never gonna be a 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.120 show where like that's it. You're gonna go from a 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.640 regular one point one million viewers to seven hund thousand, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.479 and those people are never It's never gonna happen like that. Okay, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.440 it's gonna be a slow and steady rise, or it's 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.120 gonna be a slow and steady decline, or it's gonna 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.479 be largely steady and there's gonna be ups and downs. Okay, 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.720 that's the big picture. The problem is a lot of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.280 people that don't understand the ratings. They can't see this 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.120 big picture. They only look at what happened this week, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.760 the show today, hunt viewers shows dead, they did something 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.880 last week the people didn't like. They're never gonna that's 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.600 not gonna happen. They're going to be weeks where the 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.320 lead in is weak, for example, They're going to be 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.080 weeks where people really want to watch the debut of 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.880 South Park. There's and this is gonna happen there's gonna 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.520 be a week where CM punk is gonna face so 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.480 and so or whatever, and the number is gonna be high. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.680 You know, ce M Punk and MGF for Free on 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.080 television didn't do a gigantic number. Does that mean nobody 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.440 cares about the feud? Does that mean that it's not 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.400 gonna draw? Of course not. It was one week. I 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:31.760 don't know why, but over whatever the word would be, uh, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.280 fixating on one week. It's same thing with raw fixating 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.440 on a week's rating, fixating when they go to another network. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.000 You're wasting your time. You mentioned right there. The reason 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.160 why is because you don't know why. And that's the 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.520 whole thing with the numbers, as over time you'll learn 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.080 from them. Because when we started doing this, what was 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.920 the Monday Night War total amount of viewers that we 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.800 had in in two thousand and what was it? Do 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.600 you remember, off the top of your head, mixed up 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.800 between the two shows, off the top of your head, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.400 what the total amount of viewers were during A million? 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.640 Five million total at that point. Actually actually at the end, 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.440 because WW is doing so well, it was still like 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:16.160 around nine million, huge numbers, and and has done a 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.240 two million viewers and we've watched that atrophy over time, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.560 and we learned as things started to snowball downward as 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.000 to why those things happen. And that's why a lot 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.640 of times that you know, people that are thinking, we're 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.000 very critical of WW No, it's because we've had more 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.400 data to go off of, and we've seen the decline 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.320 in booking. We've seen the decline and how they did 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.320 production things that they always were sharp with that a decline, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.320 and people want to take those things that we have 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.960 studied about that and apply them to a w and go, well, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.200 you're not doing the same thing. Yes, most people, rational 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.480 people are like every but the problem is there are 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.480 so many people that just want to make this a 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.840 war that they really don't benefit from. I mean, I 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.760 don't see how if you're a wrestling fan, you know again, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.680 why why you've got to choose sides and why people 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.680 have got to be so you know that the word 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.160 tribal has been thrown out there a lot, but that's 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.640 what people have done with these numbers, and the reality 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.320 of these numbers is we need to gather them. And yes, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.240 like you mentioned, you put them up there, and yes, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.760 it gives you a little bit of a wave off 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.560 the shore, but there's a whole ocean out there that 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.440 you have to learn from. And that's when people want 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.200 to They don't want to do that. They don't want 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.800 to like study numbers and actually see how things work 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.280 and actually put real thought behind them. They just want 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.959 to make the tweet. And that's why most of the 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.359 times these discussions have gotten so old and long in 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.160 the tooth that you know, even bothering to talk about 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.680 ratings is ridiculous other than the fact there's so many 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.119 people that will hit a YouTube view to see it, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.080 or you know, the tweet gets retweeted, like the responses 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.760 that you get on your tweets. I mean, as ridiculous 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.320 as it is for you, there are some people that 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.679 just have got to feel the need to do that 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.720 every single week, and you know, it sucks to have 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.880 to shine a light on them, but hopefully we don't 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.840 have to. And in fact, I don't know how we 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.800 can transition away from that. But new book Alert And 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.640 I know you right now, I know you usually don't 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.520 like books. Let me do. But you don't usually like 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.480 books unless you know you're writing them or it's your 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.800 turn to color in them. But I just literally literally 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.720 just got this in the mail for all the old 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.320 heads out there and people that like to read Wahoo 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.479 McDaniel the new John Cosper book with Lawhoo McDaniel's wife Karen, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.440 so they're eat sleep Russell dot Com. I think where 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.920 you can pick that up. John Cosper does a good job. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.560 Black Panther. Jim Mitchell has done some other good historical books. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.120 So I can't wait to read that. Because Wlawhoo McDaniel 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:42.480 was one of your favorite wrestlers, favorite wrestler guaranteed. Whooo. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.280 How to move on from this discussion? You know how 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.520 to move on from the discussion. You stop talking about it. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:55.919 I'm done talking about ratings. Let's go alright. We have 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.400 the main events for WrestleMania one in two. So if 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.119 you're not going to both Knights of WrestleMania, like I'm not, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.120 here's here's your lineup. My lineup. I mean, we got 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.639 one match for each night. If you want to see 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.920 Charlotte Flair versus ron Da Rousey is the main event 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.840 of the show you go to. You need to buy 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.960 a ticket for Night one. That is the main event 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:23.320 of April second WrestleMania show. You understand, Mike, you idiots 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.880 we are man. You want to see God, you want 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.800 to see brock Lessner versus Roman Reigns. You must buy 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.760 a ticket for night too of WrestleMania. That will be 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:39.520 April third, Sunday. So there you go. If you want 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.080 to see both of these, you gotta buy a ticket 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.120 for both shows. That includes you gotta get a ticket 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.000 for parking. You gotta get in and out of this 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.280 giant building with a bunch of other idiots. It's gonna suck. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.240 I'm still furious about this two night gimmick. They can 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.760 make all the money they want. I ain't going I 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.080 know the real shark jumping point with with all of 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.200 this stuff with you came back when they started moving 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.760 pay per view times back and we remember all of 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.880 the yelling and screaming you did about the West. Yes 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.200 it did. That's where historically when people look back at 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.560 Brian albat Is losing his mind over WrestleMania. But I 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.000 think today is the point where I think I have 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.199 realized that they are going to continue to do tonight 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.000 WrestleMania's and they're going to be seventy five. They are, 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.959 And this is the point where you are going to 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.000 stop watching all of WrestleMania. At some point, we're going 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.199 to get Bryan reviews where it's just Dave and you have. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.359 It's gonna be you talking about you fast forwarding through 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.320 like seven matches. It's gonna be it's coming this way. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.720 I'll tell you where this shark got ten years away. 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.520 Shark got jumped during that uh that New York, New 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.760 Jersey WrestleMania, I think they called it New York WrestleMania 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.720 was actually New Jersey. But uh, I mean, bro, it 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.679 took me forever to get into that stupid building and 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.800 then on the way home and oh, Ed, I don't 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.639 want to hear about if I would have just taken 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.240 your stupid bus. Okay, bro, it took me. I didn't 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.520 get home until four am in the morning out of 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.159 that WrestleMania. And that's the way it was. Bro. Dude, listen, 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.240 if there's a one night WrestleMania, I'll go, okay, but 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.040 I ain't doing this two nights in a row. It's 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.600 not happening. I am sticking to it. I am not 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.280 going to both Knights of WrestleMania this year. At this point, 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.280 I'm not going to either night of Wrestleman And you know, 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.280 the funny thing is they are gonna do uh, they're 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.280 gonna do pretty well. They're at fifty five thousand. I 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.359 thought they were gonna top out at fifty five thousand, 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.520 but like they're pulling out the Steve Austin's in the 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.040 whole nine yards, so they may they may do sixty 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.359 sixty five thousand or whatever. Okay, But when I was 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:47.240 angry about this, I said, listen, I'm one guy. Okay, 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.280 I'm one guy. I'm not saying that nobody is gonna 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.800 go to WrestleMania. I'm not saying everybody is like me. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.160 I'm just a dude who has made a decision. Okay. 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.600 But you know it's funny about this. We used to 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.920 do this WrestleMania thing every year, and it was more 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.040 than just me. We have like a whole group of 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.439 people that used to go to WrestleMania every year. I 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.920 can't find any of those people that are going this year. 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.720 So apparently I'm not the only one who don't want 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.879 to deal with getting in and out of his damn 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.760 stadium two nights in a row. And by the way, 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.000 by the way, people were like, oh, well you know 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.800 what would you prefer one six hour WrestleMania or to 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.119 three hour wrestle medias? And it's like, oh well, you know, 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.680