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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Bets on Campus Podcast presented by

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Speaker 1: bet MGM. I'm your host, Mike Calvary's and it's officially

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Speaker 1: college Football Week zero when you wake up on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have not one, but two preview episodes. Mike

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Speaker 1: Ianello and myself have broken down the G five teams

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Speaker 1: in Week zero and for the full college football betting preview,

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Speaker 1: Colin and Stuck walking through all four games there in

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Speaker 1: weeks zero to get you ready. But today we have

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Speaker 1: our annual Heisman Trophy Long Shots episode. We're looking to

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Speaker 1: I D a bunch of Heisman flyers to be able

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Speaker 1: to add to your portfolio here in August, to get

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Speaker 1: you ready for the futures market beyond just conference winners,

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Speaker 1: win totals, and the College Football National Championship. Joining me

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Speaker 1: today are BBOC teammates Colin Wilson and Brett McMurphy, two

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Speaker 1: of the best in the business and also two Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy voters as well. I'll start with you, Brett, how

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Speaker 5: I think it's illegal to literally burn money, so I

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Speaker 5: won't show myself lighting money on fire, but that basically

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Speaker 5: sums it up.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 5: You're going to take your significant other out to eat

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Speaker 5: or go go do something, you know, go put it go,

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Speaker 5: put that money on Colorado win the national title.

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Speaker 2: Youah the same result, Colin.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling you feel a bit differently on this.

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Speaker 1: Not only can you bet on a player to win

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Speaker 1: you can have those parlays between a player winning the

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Speaker 1: so a bit more value on the board if you

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Speaker 3: Well, A Heisman Trophy winner that's going to win the

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Speaker 3: national title. We don't get Joe Burrow in the game

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Speaker 3: every year, so that's an interesting parlay. But you know,

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Speaker 3: for me, this is a market that I don't really

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Speaker 3: use because I fall in love with players. It's a

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Speaker 3: market that I use to offset the numbers that are

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Speaker 3: already currently on teams. I have three long shot Heisman

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Speaker 3: You need to be a playoff contender. You need to

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Speaker 3: we're bringing bring We're bringing small so I just saw

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Speaker 3: your list. We're going to bring some long shots that

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Speaker 3: come November when we get those playoff rankings fresh on

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Speaker 1: special treat our. Audio director Matt Mitchell is forcing Brett

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Speaker 1: to share a story that neither Colin nor myself have heard. So,

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Speaker 1: But let's get started first. Colin with your long shot

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Speaker 3: From a value perspective, this team is twenty to one

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Speaker 3: He's listened at forty to one. Those are better numbers

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Speaker 3: Right now, Miller Moss is going to be the starter.

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Speaker 3: And so when you look at his weapons, it's like,

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Speaker 3: how could you go wrong with j Equavius Marks Fromsissippi State.

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Speaker 1: Let me bring you in to kind of this pick

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Speaker 5: really like that Miller Moss pick because one thing Colin

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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Mike, because I think it's better.

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Speaker 5: You don't want to be the favorite going into the

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Speaker 5: In fact, I would prefer to take somebody that nobody's

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Speaker 2: When we get towards the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll throw my first pick in the ring here.

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Speaker 1: Avery Johnson Kansas State twenty eight to one. And I

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Speaker 1: And when you look at Heisman history, seven to the

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Speaker 1: I think they know as a program that's certainly not sexy,

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Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal athlete, a three sports star out of

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Speaker 1: they're able to get a rare blue chip in the

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Speaker 1: Sunflower State. Keep him home, and you know, the fact

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Speaker 1: In limited work last year, he had five rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, and you've already called out like.

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Speaker 1: Now, when I looked at both my picks and yours, Colin,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, real quick, Mike. One thing you didn't mention about

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Speaker 5: But I just don't think you know, unless you're returning punts, kickoffs,

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Speaker 1: Right, who do you think has not to make it

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, there my next pick.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad he's in transition moving from your podcast to

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 3: This is a team award for me because I know

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Speaker 3: McCall is one hundred and ten to one out there

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Speaker 2: What's the limit here?

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Speaker 3: NC State can win the ACC and they can get

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Speaker 1: When you look at NC State quarterbacks making a run

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Speaker 1: What do you think about a player coming from a

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Speaker 5: Colin You forget about ty Detmar. He may be the

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Speaker 1: For my second pick, I'm going with Kiren Drones from

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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech can win the ACC. By winning the ACC,

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Speaker 1: He's a big playmaker. Takwan Felton made Bruce Feldman's Freak List.

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Speaker 3: And he's definitely got the schedule to get that starter

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Speaker 3: would turn around and probably bet Miami on the money

437
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Speaker 3: line to even that out.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a Virginia Tech hoky on your ballot?

439
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Speaker 5: Actually, Mike, you're not aware of this. My pre season

440
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Speaker 5: BOWLT projections will be out Monday, so they may be

441
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Speaker 5: out by the time you hear this. They may come

442
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Speaker 5: out after you hear this. I have Virginia Tech making

443
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Speaker 5: the playoffs, so if that happens, that would bode well

444
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Speaker 5: for your Heisman ticket.

445
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Speaker 1: I like the sound of that. That's pretty strong. Let

446
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Speaker 1: me throw one question kind of broader to our group here.

447
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Speaker 1: Arch Manning is out in the market between one hundred

448
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Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty to one. I went through

449
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Speaker 1: the Heisman winners. None of them started as an entrenched backup.

450
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 1: So clearly the books are you know, not providing value

451
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Speaker 1: to the market to the better. What is with this number.

452
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Speaker 1: I understand that it's a Manning. I mean, a Manning

453
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Speaker 1: hasn't won a Heisman since you know, I believe ever

454
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Speaker 1: at this point, so I don't exactly understand why there's

455
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Speaker 1: all this love for somebody who is clearly going to

456
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Speaker 1: start as number two. But I'll twist the question in

457
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Speaker 1: this way. Is there anything that could happen during the season,

458
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Speaker 1: whether you were struggles and he comes in yours gets hurt,

459
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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden you would take him seriously

460
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Speaker 1: because he has all the pieces around him. I'll throw

461
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Speaker 1: this to you first column. What are your thoughts on

462
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Speaker 1: Manning in general?

463
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Speaker 2: If I knew he was.

464
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Speaker 3: Going to start from day one, if I knew he

465
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Speaker 3: was going to play at least eleven games, I would

466
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Speaker 3: make a bet on him, especially one hundred and fifty one.

467
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Speaker 3: But its odds would probably be about forty to one,

468
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Speaker 3: thirty to one if we knew all of that. And

469
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Speaker 3: so you wonder, like, what is this number? He isn't

470
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Speaker 3: a starter, he's got limited he's got limited exposure, and

471
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Speaker 3: it's just the last name there. But really what it

472
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Speaker 3: is it's a reflection of the money that's come into

473
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Speaker 3: the market. A lot of the books send me their

474
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Speaker 3: spreadsheets about who's getting tickets, who is getting handle where

475
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Speaker 3: we exposed arch Manning is like top three up there,

476
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Speaker 3: and that's why that number has crashed down to one

477
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty to one, and people are just blindly

478
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Speaker 3: putting money on it. But it's the same reason when

479
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Speaker 3: we see Colorado taking all this money to win the

480
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: national title and eclipse their win total. You know, it's

481
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Speaker 3: just one of those things where people are infatuated with

482
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Speaker 3: the story, they're infatuated with the brand and arch Manning,

483
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Speaker 3: I mean, Enuff said, you don't even know anything else

484
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Speaker 3: more about the kid other than his last name, and

485
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Speaker 3: I think there is some legs to him playing this year.

486
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Speaker 3: There a lot of people at SEC media days kind

487
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Speaker 3: of off the side saying, we don't really know if

488
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Speaker 3: Quinn is the guy.

489
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Speaker 2: And I did a little deep dive.

490
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Speaker 3: On it, and I know I put it in our

491
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Speaker 3: SEC preview that Quinn really struggles with timing routes when

492
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Speaker 3: he has curls, when he has things that he has

493
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Speaker 3: to hit it on a dime, his success rate and

494
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 3: his EPA are extremely low below replacement level throwing. When

495
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: he hits go routes, things like that slants He's astronomical

496
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Speaker 3: and success rate it goes up from a percentage perspective.

497
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Speaker 3: So is there a chance that arch Maning has a

498
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Speaker 3: higher ceiling than Quinn yours?

499
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? How long is Steve Sarkis?

500
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Speaker 3: You're going to sit around until he makes that change

501
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: if a change is needed. So it's interesting, I think

502
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Speaker 3: you need two quarterbacks to win the national title. I

503
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Speaker 3: think you need to at least have some relief somewhere

504
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Speaker 3: in case of injury. So I would say arch Manning

505
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: is ever out of it. But you need injury, you

506
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 3: need inefficiency, You need Texas to probably drop a game

507
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Speaker 3: for them to make a change. You need a lot

508
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Speaker 3: to happen to get arch Manning home.

509
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Speaker 5: Any thoughts on this, Brett, Yeah, I mean you're basically

510
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Speaker 5: betting that Quinn ears gets hurt and is out for

511
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Speaker 5: the year. And it would check the box of a

512
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 5: great storyline, you know, backup coming in and leads Texas

513
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Speaker 5: back to the College Football Playoff. But it's there's just

514
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Speaker 5: so many things that would have to happen. I mean,

515
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 5: you know, I can't even speak because I don't know

516
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Speaker 5: how to describe it.

517
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Speaker 2: It's if you want to.

518
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Speaker 5: Do it, go ahead, but you know, it's literally like

519
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 5: you're betting on is quinn Ewers going to suffer a

520
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 5: season ending injury, and if so, then you get one

521
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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty to one on that Manning could get

522
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Speaker 5: to New York City.

523
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Speaker 2: I think it's a long shot, obviously.

524
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go way out on a limb, Collin

525
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: and pick two more players that are actually set to

526
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Speaker 1: start this season, so at least you have a chance

527
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Who's your third pick?

528
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Speaker 3: Let's start with the team I love. I have placed

529
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: plenty of money on this team to make their conference

530
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: championship game. I'm gonna go to Ames, I'm gonna go

531
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Speaker 3: to Iowa State, and I'm going to say rock Obeck,

532
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: who is on the board a two hundred and fifty

533
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Speaker 3: to one. We're talking about arch Man one hundred fifty

534
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Speaker 3: to one, not guaranteed to even play this year. Rock

535
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Speaker 3: Obec was a revelation to Matt Campbell. I spoke to

536
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Speaker 3: Matt Campbell at the same media day that Brett and

537
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Speaker 3: I were at, and where did rock Obec come from?

538
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: I mean, just eyeballs, like, where did this come from?

539
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 5: You know?

540
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Speaker 3: I mean he I think the only thing Matt Campbell

541
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: could say is his high school tape looked a lot

542
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 3: like rock parties. But the level of explosiveness of this

543
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: offense was insane because what Iowa State is is they

544
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: are a two to three tight end set. They're just

545
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: trying to move the chains. They've always been high in

546
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: success rate on offense, but they've never had that explosiveness anywhere.

547
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: This is a team that finished eleventh in pass EPA

548
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: last year. Roco's final numbers were twenty tds to eight interceptions.

549
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: I mentioned turnover worthy play rate before. I like that

550
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: on quarterbacks where you don't make a lot of mistakes.

551
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: He was a two point seven percent. That is low

552
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Speaker 3: his adjusted completion percentage, and this is why I love

553
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: rock Obeck. When he's in a pressured pocket, his adjusted

554
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: completion percentage goes from seventy five percent down to sixty

555
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 3: three percent. That for a true freshman is impressive. Usually

556
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: you don't see that bump for two or three years

557
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: in college football before a quarterback can handle a pressured pocket.

558
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: Roco had no problems with it whatsoever. So when you

559
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: look at his weapons, all the weapons you and I

560
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: have talked about, He's got two of them that averaged

561
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: two point six yards per route run absolutely electric in

562
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: Jayden Higgins and Jaylen Noel. You know, both of them

563
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: combined for one hundred and fifty targets. Last year we

564
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: talked about Avery Johnson missing some offensive linemen. Iowa State

565
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: gets all five of them back. Then you have a

566
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Speaker 3: tight end who's an automatic first down every time in

567
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: six foot seven Benjamin Brohmer. I see Iowa State continue

568
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: to be highly successful on offense and moving the chains.

569
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Speaker 3: But this epa, this explosiveness that they were able to

570
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: produce last year with rock O Beck, who comes in

571
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: after a gambling scandal. I mean, wasn't even expected to

572
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: play with hunter deckers there. I mean, it's it's very impressive.

573
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Speaker 3: The one thing I hate is that Iowa State has

574
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: never won ten games in the history of their program

575
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Speaker 3: since eighteen ninety five.

576
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Speaker 2: Right, that's a problem. You know, the Big twelve is huge.

577
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 3: It's going to have some tie breakers to see who

578
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: gets into the championship game. There's hurdles for rock O

579
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: Beck to get over to but as a long shot,

580
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: I don't think you could do any You can't do

581
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: any better than this at two hundred and fifty to

582
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: one with a guy that has major weapons and a

583
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: guy that's already shown explosiveness at a team that's supposed

584
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: to contend for their conference.

585
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Speaker 1: I mean, the ghosts of Troy Davis and Sanakawallas. Hopefully

586
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: they can urge him on and get a little luck

587
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the win column. Because I agree with you,

588
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: all the pieces are there and the Big Twelve is

589
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: wide open from a conference perspective, Brett, do you think

590
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: there's you know, a major discount grabbing guys outside of

591
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: the Big ten in SEC because they seem to be

592
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: priced prohibitively. Everyone's starting to have this conversation, is there

593
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: this chasm between the Big TWN, the SEC and everybody

594
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: else Whereas some of these leagues can be a lot

595
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: of fun, and I think at the end of the day,

596
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: people still gravitate towards fun stories to players with you know,

597
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: deep highlight reels that have those kind of big plays.

598
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: Mike, I think it's.

599
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: More a testament to how balanced the Big Twelve is.

600
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: I mean, there's literally six or seven teams that can

601
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 5: win that league, and I don't think anybody from a

602
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 5: Big twelve team that does not win the Big Twelve

603
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 5: Championship is going to have a shot to get to

604
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Speaker 5: New York City. I think it's going to be too difficult.

605
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 5: I think the Big Twelve champs going to have three losses.

606
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 5: The runner up probably has four, three or four. I

607
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: don't think a Big twelve runner up player can get

608
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: the New York City. So I think the odds are

609
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 5: more because it's uncertain. You know, there's not a clear

610
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 5: cut favorite. So you know, you like Amy Johnson, Rocko

611
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 5: Beck both, you know, legitimate great players. But I just

612
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: think the Big twelve so balanced. Everybody's going to beat

613
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: each other up, and how will that impact their Heisman hopes.

614
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Off the back of that comment, I'm going to throw

615
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: one more Big twelve passer in here. I'm going to

616
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: go Garrett Green from West Virginia two hundred to one

617
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: to win the Heisman, and the upside is pretty clear.

618
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: He was top twenty in QBR last year twenty eight

619
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: total touchdowns as a true dual threat quarterback. He has

620
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: to improve as a passer, but the good news is

621
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: that six of his top seven pass catchers are back.

622
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: They get Jaden Bray in the portal from Oklahoma State,

623
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: who showed out in the spring and Green had his

624
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Heisman moments. His running ability is really incredible. He had

625
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: double digit rushing touchdowns. So he is a weapon, you know,

626
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: in the goal to go situations, and he is willing

627
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: to take shots downfield. They finished thirty first in line

628
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: yards from this offensive line. They were turned three starters

629
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: there for them are seniors in total. And let's talk schedule.

630
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I always like to see how these things set up

631
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: the opener against Penn State at home Game one for

632
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: the Nintellions with a new offensive coordinator, lot prove on offense,

633
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: and their defense really has to come together because they're

634
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: breaking in three new corners in their four to five

635
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: defense under Tom Allen manny Dias gone, if you want

636
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: to catch Penn State and shock the world and have

637
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: a coming out party as a Heisman candidate, I think

638
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: this is the spot to do it. I've been in

639
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: that stadium before in Morgantown. It is going to be

640
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: a zoo. I think there's a chance if he were

641
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: to upset the Nitneyllons, he goes from two hundred to

642
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: one to fifty to one overnight. I'll pitch this to

643
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: you first, Colin in terms of the upset potential for

644
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: the Knears in Week one. Do you think that's just

645
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: far outside of any realm of possibility or do you

646
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: think that ties in with my logic that two hundred

647
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: to one is just too generous on a quarterback who

648
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: could score in two different ways with the football.

649
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: Well, as far as the Penn State West Virginia game,

650
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: there's some revenge here for me after losing that bet

651
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: when Franklin decided to push it in last year. And

652
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure Neil Brown and West Virginia hasn't forgot about that,

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Speaker 3: so there's revenge for them too, And plus also from

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Speaker 3: a Penn State side, as Drew Aller learned, and Andy

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Speaker 3: kotal Nikki's offense yet, I mean, that is a very

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Speaker 3: complex pre snap offense and we'll see if Drew Aller is.

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Speaker 2: Able to pick that up.

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Speaker 3: I do like Garrett Green, I love West Virginia. Is

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Speaker 3: the team that I was on before anybody last year,

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Speaker 3: and I love their offensive style. The reason I didn't

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Speaker 3: have him on my radar and the reason I laid

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Speaker 3: off of West Virginia to do damage in the Big

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Speaker 3: Twelve was because of their defense. It was so filled

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Speaker 3: with portal on the back end that Jordan Leslie and

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Speaker 3: Neil Brown were. They continue to work to get that

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Speaker 3: West Virginia defense back to the level that it was

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Speaker 3: in years past. So it's really the defense that's a

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Speaker 3: double edged sword. Calgary's I mean, you want to be

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Speaker 3: in shootouts to build your numbers. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: be in shootouts and have losses on your record.

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Speaker 2: So it's tough.

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Speaker 3: But Garrett Green is definitely a boss and I respect it.

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Speaker 1: I know you think that Heisman futures are just lighting

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Speaker 5: I'd laugh when people say value. There's no value in

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Speaker 5: a losing bet. Sorry, you didn't convince me.

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Speaker 1: All right, storytime here, Brett. I just want to put

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Speaker 1: this out there for the audience.

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Speaker 2: This has a bit unusual.

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Speaker 1: We're, you know, trying to give you a little treat

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Speaker 1: headed into college football season. But I will clear the

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Speaker 1: way I'm excited to hear this one, Brett.

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Speaker 5: If you like it, be sure and tell Matt Mitchell

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: you like this. If you hate it, be sure and

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: tell Matt Mitchell you hate it. I guess I'm about

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00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: to hijack the rest of this conversation. This has nothing

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00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: to do with football. How's that for a tease. June twentieth,

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00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine, I thought I was going to die.

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00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: I boarded flight two ninety.

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Speaker 5: Three, and so did a guy named Nikola Caba. He's

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Speaker 5: from Yugoslavia. I found out later that he had killed

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Speaker 5: more than seventeen people in his life. He committed his

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00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: first murder when he was fourteen. He threw a wounded

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Speaker 5: German soldier down on well. In November of seventy eight,

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Speaker 5: he was arrested for bombing a Chicago home of a diplomat.

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00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: Convicted in May of seventy nine in Chicago, but released

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Speaker 5: on bailed to New Jersey, where he was living. A

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Speaker 5: month later, he was on my American Airlines flight from

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00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: La Guardia to Chicago. Then I would go from Chicago

722
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 5: to Oklahoma City. I had been in Europe with a

723
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: group of high school seniors from Yukon, Oklahoma, and we

724
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: were coming back from that trip. He had smuggled a

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00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 5: homemade bomb onto the plane, plastic explosives. Midway through our flight,

726
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 5: he took over control of the plane and sat in

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: the stewardest jump seat outside the cockpit and held on

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00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: to these little looked like tubes of toothpaste in his hands.

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00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: Flight attendants never told us we were hijacked. Eventually they

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Speaker 5: said that he had taken control of the plane. We

731
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Speaker 5: land in Chicago. As soon as we land, you know,

732
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Speaker 5: usually go up to the gate or whatever. We just

733
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: sat on the runway. We did not move. We sat there,

734
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Speaker 5: and sat there, and sat there. We sat there for

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Speaker 5: eleven hours, eleven hours. I was in the first row

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Speaker 5: of coach, so there was a bulkhead between first class

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Speaker 5: and coach. I was in the first row of coach

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Speaker 5: on the aisle, and I had a little instamatic camera

739
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 5: and I would literally lean into the aisle and take

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Speaker 5: a real quick snap of the hijacker. I didn't have

741
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: a flash on. I didn't want them to see me.

742
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: But out the window till my right there were you know,

743
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 5: policemen swat whatever, crawling on their bellies through the field.

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00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 5: I'm not exaggerating. There were one hundred police cars, ambulances,

745
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 5: fire trucks during this whole time.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a high school journalist, I'm.

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00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: Actually taking notes on a little you know, the paper

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00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: napkins they give you. I'm writing down notes of what

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00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: all is going on. Like in my seventeen year old mind,

750
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, well, if the plane blows up, this little

751
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: piece of paper is going to survive and it will

752
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 5: solve everything.

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Speaker 2: Everyone will know what happened.

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00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 5: Side note on me trying to take photos of the hijacker.

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Speaker 2: After we got off the.

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00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: Plane, the authorities asked us if any of us had

757
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: pictures of the hijacker, and myself and a parent that

758
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: went with us did so. I gave the police my

759
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: camera and my film well during the whole process. Afterwards,

760
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: I talked to somebody with the Associated Press. They said

761
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 5: they would buy my film for a thousand dollars. I

762
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: said great.

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Speaker 2: A couple days.

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Speaker 5: Later they called me at home and they say that

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00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: they are no longer have any interest in my film.

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Speaker 5: So basically what I'm saying is, yeah, ap, you stiffed

767
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: me one thousand dollars. If you can figure out what

768
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 5: the compounded interest is for forty five years, please let

769
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: me know. Basically, he led us off after eleven hours.

770
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 5: They pulled stairs up to the plane. We walked off

771
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 5: down the flight of stairs.

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Speaker 1: It was weird.

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Speaker 5: During the whole time, I never really thought I was

774
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Speaker 5: going to die or anything that was going to happen,

775
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: because the flight attendants did a great job keeping everybody

776
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 5: call them and stuff. But when they opened the door

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00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: to get off the plane. Since I was first row coach,

778
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 5: I was one of the first ones off, and literally

779
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 5: when I saw the mass of people in news try

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00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 5: I mean just everything out there cliche, but it looked

781
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 5: like a movie. I mean, I lost it. Man, start

782
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: crying out. That's probably that's when I started crying and

783
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 5: realized what could have happened.

784
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: We go back to the airport. It's funny.

785
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 5: When we get to the airport, obviously they take us

786
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: into a special room. They have one side. They say,

787
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: if you want to talk to the media, go to left.

788
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 5: Of course, I got to talk to the media in

789
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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine. No cell phones, guys, a bank of telephones.

790
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 5: Call whoever you want. I called my parents, Nobody answers

791
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: the phone. I called all these different friends, nobody's at home. Finally,

792
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 5: I call a good friend of mine. His sister answers, Kathy,

793
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 5: is Jim there. No, She goes, what are you doing?

794
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 5: And I said, we just got off the plane. She goes,

795
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 5: everybody's at the airport. So literally, the whole town of

796
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: Yukon Surrey Hills, where I grew up, everybody's at the airport.

797
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: I did a ton of interviews. I was looking through

798
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: the clips.

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00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: You think I'm a bad interview now, somebody quoted me

800
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 5: saying I'm sure I wasn't misquoted. Oh gosh, we've seen

801
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 5: a few reporters today.

802
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: Here's some of the papers.

803
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: Front page, front page, Chicago Tribune. My mom had a

804
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 5: great line. After we got off the plane in Chicago,

805
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: we sat there. You know, they took care of ris.

806
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: Then we flew to Oklahoma f City. We arrived fifteen

807
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 5: hours later or whatever, and my mom said, the ironic

808
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: thing is Brett has never gotten on time anywhere in

809
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: his life.

810
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: And I was late once again.

811
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 5: Everyone thought, because you're hijacked, you get to fly free.

812
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: After that, dozens of people, when they knew our was hijacked,

813
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 5: do you get a fly free now?

814
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: No?

815
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't get a fly free.

816
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: Also, after a few months after, American Airlines sent all

817
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: of us a little silver pendant. I don't have it

818
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: with me, and it had flight two ninety three on

819
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Speaker 5: it in the date on the other side. As soon

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00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: as we're done here, I guess I should check with

821
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 5: Darren Ravel and see what that's worth on the open market. Yeah,

822
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 5: my wife loves that I'm hijacked because she loves to

823
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 5: fly with me. Because the odds of being on a

824
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: hijack plane twice in your life, I'd say, are as

825
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 5: long as Colorado.

826
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: Winning the National Championship.

827
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: Two things I forgot to mention again. This is nineteen

828
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 5: seventy nine, before nine to eleven. Everyone got off the plane.

829
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: They gave him a plane to fly back from Chicago

830
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 5: to New York. When he got to New York at JFK,

831
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 5: they gave him another plane because he wanted to fly

832
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: to Yugoslavia to get an associate of his out of prison.

833
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 5: So they actually gave him a plane and flew him

834
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 5: back to Yugoslavia. On the way, he decided he wanted

835
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: to go to Ireland instead. He got to Ireland and

836
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: he did surrender. He spent twenty years in jail. When

837
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: he got out of jail, he did some interviews. I've

838
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: read a lot of those. One of them he said

839
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 5: that he is the one that gave Ben Lauden the

840
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: idea of flying planes into buildings. He actually said when

841
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: he was flying back to Ireland that his idea was

842
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 5: to take over that plane and fly into a specific building.

843
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 5: But because they didn't have the right proper tracking equipment,

844
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: he decided not to do that. His attorney convinced him

845
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 5: to surrender when he got to Ireland. So he died

846
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: I think fifteen twenty years ago. He was in his

847
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: seventies when he died. You know, quite a footnote, I guess.

848
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: Now one other quick thing. So my first year at

849
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 5: ESPN covering the National Title game, and afterwards, I'm at

850
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: dinner with Chris Fowler, Heather Cox and John Sunders. Mayhe

851
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 5: rest in peace, great guy. We're sitting around the table

852
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 5: just talking about different things. I didn't bring this up,

853
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: and I know it wasn't Chris Fowler, so it was

854
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 5: either Saunders or Heather Cox. And somehow they said, what's

855
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 5: the weirdest thing about you that nobody knows? I put

856
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 5: twenty dollars down on the table and said I'm winning.

857
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 5: So Chris Fowler said, basically he didn't have anything. Heather

858
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: Cox at that point lived in Colorado if people remember

859
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 5: the name John Bena Ramsey, and she went through the

860
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: whole thing. They lived in the same neighborhood and police

861
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 5: actually interviewed her husband. He was one of the last

862
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 5: people to see John Bena Ramsey, but obviously he had

863
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: nothing to do with it.

864
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: So that was her deal.

865
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Speaker 5: John Saunders, who's from Canada, he was like, I was

866
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 5: arrested not once, but twice on suspicion of armed robbery, like.

867
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: What some reason.

868
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 5: He got picked up for arm rawery in Canada. So

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