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Speaker 1: an old episode from like episode three fifty or so

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Speaker 1: with my friend Leslie Simon, who died yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: didn't listen back to this episode I'm about to play.

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Speaker 1: But when I was thinking about what I was going

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Speaker 1: to write about her, just remember how I felt when

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Speaker 1: great career in music. I'll walk you through that in

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Speaker 1: definitely not one of the most famous names that have

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Speaker 1: but I remember how I felt when it was over,

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Speaker 1: and remember thinking how strong and brave and I could

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Speaker 1: like I wasn't because she had been diagnosed with cancer,

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Speaker 1: to try to, you know, finger quote figured it out.

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Speaker 1: She called me a couple months ago, and if she calls,

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Speaker 1: most of my life, I've had something to say. It's

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Speaker 1: saying exactly to her, I don't know what to say

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Speaker 1: And then she told me how happy she was right then,

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Speaker 1: have very long to live, so rest in peace to

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Speaker 1: my friend Leslie Simon. I hope you listen to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is not for you. Maybe it's not the

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Speaker 1: Again, I have a listened back to it. I could

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about this podcast. But it is

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Speaker 1: So I'll start talking Leslie Simon. We loved you. You

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Speaker 1: made a difference in a lot of people's lives, including

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: As we get into a lot of your career, Leslie,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean we were all so nervous about

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Speaker 3: but it was really everything that you're told you can't

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Speaker 3: You know, all of the things that were always listening to,

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Speaker 2: But it was like back then, it was specially it

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Speaker 2: was so hard. Yes, it was so hard. So everything

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Speaker 1: Right, everything new, female, slow, no reason that should have

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Speaker 2: It's crushing. It's crushing.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Ride, who runs the format and is

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Speaker 2: Ever, I've never seen a reaction like this before.

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Speaker 1: And it's easier to react to a slow song because

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I still remember it pretty vividly where

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Speaker 1: I didn't know who it was, and he's he starts

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Speaker 3: really strung to get anything that was different, the opportunity

441
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: to succeed, and you gave it the opportunity, and good gracious.

442
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a picture in the little waiting room here.

443
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: It's massive.

444
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: It was awesome.

445
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: It was awesome, and it was an awesome song. There's

446
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: a picture in the room here when you walk out,

447
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: like the waiting room for the studio and it's Cam

448
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: and Kelsey because Kelsey's first song was going number one

449
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: and Cam was in because she'd just been announced on

450
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: the Verge and I had him come in at the

451
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: same time, and they don't I don't remember what they did,

452
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: but I have a picture of that day because it

453
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: was awesome to me because I used take Kelsey out

454
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: on the road and open for us. She didn't have

455
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: a song or anything yet, and I was so proud

456
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: of her and she was getting her first number one

457
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: and I was so pumped for that song and Cam

458
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't have the relationship with Cam, but I

459
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: just loved the song and the idea of someone doing

460
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: something that wasn't really being done, which has taken a

461
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: big chance in the label had to take a chance

462
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: that's money. Yeah, yeah, And I was so proud of

463
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: her and that song. So there's a picture of us,

464
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is such an awesome day

465
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: for all of us and.

466
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 4: The women in country music.

467
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: It's really cool. And I don't do that. It's funny.

468
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't do it as much anymore for a couple

469
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: of reasons. One because you don't really get the instant

470
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: because it takes a while for streaming to actually show up.

471
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: Three reasons. Two, I just try to be funny at

472
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: this point, right.

473
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a lot of time to

474
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: listen to a bunch of new music. And it got

475
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: to the point where I was getting people all the

476
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: time begging me to play new music or listen to

477
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: new music, and I didn't have time to be fair,

478
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: and if I couldn't be fair, I didn't really want

479
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: to do it. And then it got to and you'll

480
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: know this because you've been in this industry for a while,

481
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: it got really bad with because I had had a

482
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: bit of success in a non traditional way of breaking music,

483
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: and artists that other we'll call them gatekeepers or other

484
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: places started to get competitive with it and then hold

485
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: people back.

486
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: That I was like, this is good.

487
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, they're going to hold people back,

488
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm out because I'm not gonna do anything and have

489
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: somebody penalize something I think is great because I don't

490
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 1: work with that sting service. I don't work at that.

491
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: And so that started to happen and I was like,

492
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: all right, I'm out. I'm gonna be out for a

493
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: while until it chills. And then so now I do

494
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: it in a way of I love this artist and

495
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: if they're coming to town, yeah you should go see them, right.

496
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: Because that's how you can directly affect an artist.

497
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: Well.

498
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 4: And you put the gull on stage the other night.

499
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I love and I still love the same thing.

500
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: It's the same, but now I just find different ways.

501
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: Our waiter a place for eat all the time. Yeah,

502
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: never told me at all.

503
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: Sorry. I loved seeing that story and I was.

504
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: Like, hey, come out.

505
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: So I put them up on stage you played it

506
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, So yes, I just have to have

507
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: to find a different.

508
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Way to do it. But I love it.

509
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: I love people that are good and work hard and

510
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: are trying every way to get some sort of exposure.

511
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: And then if I can, if I have a path

512
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: for them to walk down, let's go.

513
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: I'll take it and we'll go.

514
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: Using your platform for that is it's exciting that that.

515
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 4: Still can happen.

516
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: Different Yes, yeah, in.

517
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: A different way. I mean what ever way you're doing it.

518
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: You're using your platform to expose music that you think

519
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: is great, and I think that's really important.

520
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's a big deal to me. It's

521
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: a big deal to take somebody's working hard and give

522
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: them a shot. Yeah, and I think that's probably I

523
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: go to therapy.

524
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: My an's all. That's all that therapy part of stuff.

525
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: But uh so I was interested to hear your take

526
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: on that because that was a really cool part of

527
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: my Nashville time.

528
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it was one of the most and

529
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: then in the end when it came full circle and

530
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: it was the number one record it in all of

531
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: my career. It's one of the most special moments in time.

532
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: It is one of the things that I'm most proud

533
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: to have been a part of. And I mean, it's

534
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 3: just so many great memories that that.

535
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, just nothing for Grammy for that Song's so, you

536
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: had Brad Paisley, and I don't remember the first time

537
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: I met you. It had to be in studio because

538
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: you had you Oh you know, I do, Okay.

539
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: The first time I met you was when we had

540
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: when y'all were announced here and we had Brad do

541
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: an interview, and do you remember that? It was right

542
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: when you was like, was it the press conference?

543
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: There was a there was a really dumb press conference

544
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: that I'm embarrassed that we had. But I and I

545
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't know what was going on. I

546
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: was wide eyed, like what's happening?

547
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: But was there a Brad there for that?

548
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Maybe?

549
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 4: Or he was the first interview.

550
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: There was something that Brad did at the very beginning,

551
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 3: and you and I met right at that time, and

552
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean we just didn't we connected.

553
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well because you weren't like a car salesman, honestly,

554
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's it.

555
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's it. In this town.

556
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: It's like trying to figure out who's a car salesman,

557
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: who's not, or who you like. You know, you can

558
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: have a friend that this car salesman, but you gotta

559
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you gotta turn that crap off around.

560
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: Me, right right?

561
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: And that's cool too, as long as they turn it

562
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: off around you. I've got that relationship with a few

563
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: people now where it's like I get it, but don't

564
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: do that here, don't.

565
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: Do that like me.

566
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: We're this is life, life, life, But you know, it's

567
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: interesting with Brad. Early on, I went to Brad. I

568
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: wrote about this my first book. I went to Brad's

569
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: house and he was like, hey, come outside for a minute,

570
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, was he gonna shoot me? What's

571
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: happening were these country music people, and so I was

572
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: walking with them, and it was cool to me because

573
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: I grew up listening obviously to a lot of country

574
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: music in Arkansas, like it was the central part of

575
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: my music until I got to be a teenager and

576
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: that turned a little more alternative.

577
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: And hip hop. But I remember Brad because I remember.

578
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: His early early part is right before I checked out

579
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: for a little bit in that part of country music,

580
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: and so I thought it was really cool that he

581
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: was walking in and he was like, hey man, they

582
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: ain't gonna like you here, and a little bit I

583
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: was taken aback because I thought he was maybe agreeing

584
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: with them or maybe secretly, like I don't know, as

585
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: showing his how dominant he was. I don't, I didn't know,

586
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: but it was weird, and I was like, what do

587
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you mean, and he goes, I'll play from experience, and

588
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: that's when I knew he was kind of giving me

589
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: some advice. He was like, they didn't like me here

590
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: for a long time because I was quirky and I

591
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: did some funny stuff and he goes, listen, I love

592
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: country music.

593
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Nobody doubts that.

594
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people here that was

595
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: like that guy ain't for here, and he said, you're

596
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: gonna get that a lot. And I remember, and this

597
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is before I really got that, Yeah, because I did.

598
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Boy did I for two or.

599
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Three years, and I remember going really but I always

600
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: held that like, it's very precious to me because.

601
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: A real moment.

602
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, few people, Yeah, he didn't have to do that,

603
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, they're gonna like you and it's

604
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna suck for you for a little bit.

605
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: And he was right, Well, I mean, like he's one

606
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: of my favorite humans in the world. I mean, he's

607
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: a dear friend and I loved working with him. But

608
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: you know, one thing that I always felt about Brad

609
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: is when he wanted to sit down and have a

610
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: conversation with you, it was a person a person conversation.

611
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: He wasn't there wasn't some other intention that you didn't

612
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: know about. I mean, he really wanted to have a

613
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: conversation with you about you know, whatever it is y'all

614
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: were talking about. And so him having you out there

615
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: and having that discussion with you was a real moment

616
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: of connection. And there was something that obviously you guys

617
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: connected on very early that y'all had a lot in common,

618
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: and I think it was it was really cool to

619
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: watch y'all's relationship.

620
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very special.

621
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I got really isolated myself a lot

622
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: for a few years because I just felt like people

623
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: were just taking their shots. But I always remember that

624
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: and really appreciated that from Brad because he superstar. You

625
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: have to do that superstar to do anything.

626
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: And you know what, people did that for him when

627
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: he started and then he has I watched him do

628
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: that with other artists and other people in this industry,

629
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: and it's it's really special. I mean, it's one of

630
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: the things in this industry that I love so much

631
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: is that there are these real people who want to

632
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: connect with real people and then also want to help

633
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 3: grow these relationships in this industry together. And it's really

634
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: fun when it's a partnership and we all work together.

635
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: And I think he really y'all made that connection early,

636
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: and I loved watching that relationship.

637
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I was talking to me me today and yeah, I

638
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: mean it worked, you know for those if you did.

639
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: Leslie and I are we're friends, like real life friends. Yeah,

640
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: but we met through a professional environment and we kind

641
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: of you know, morphed into that and you and Amy

642
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: you are close, Amy and I are closed, so you know,

643
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: it just gets a love triangle, I'll say it.

644
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: So Amy was like, she said something about Chiney this morning,

646
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, where did Chingey come from?

647
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: Because I know Chingy.

648
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Holiday in right there all the and she was like, well,

649
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: this is Leslie Monday night. Yeah, and she said Leslie

650
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: to work chiny records or something, and I was like, what,

651
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: So did you work in hip hopera Pop?

652
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: I worked in Pop. I was at Capital Pop before I.

653
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: Came to Aristo what where?

654
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: And I was based out Atlanta, So I was at

655
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: the time, I was the Southeastern regional.

656
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: So you know, back in the day there.

657
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: Were ten and twelve fourteen locals that worked records across

658
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: the country for one imprint.

659
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: And by that, you mean, if we simplified a little bit,

660
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: you had an area and you stayed close with all

661
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the radio stations in your in your localist.

662
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: Area, correct it.

663
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: And so I covered the southeast out of Atlanta, which

664
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: was basically Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi was basically my territory.

665
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: And I mean when you're in pop, you work every

666
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: pop format, so you're working hip hop, alternative.

667
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: Rock, hot ace, hot ac pop.

668
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to say I had seven formats,

669
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: and I mean fifteen records at a time very different

670
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: than and this is, you know, this is how I

671
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: kind of was growing up in the promotion world before

672
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: I came back into country. And my very first artist

673
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: that ever worked to radio, my very first song was

674
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Coldplay in My Place. It was my first day of

675
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: work was the ad day for Coldplay in My Place.

676
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't really know hip hop music, but

677
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: I lived in Atlanta, which is like the center of

678
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: hip hop music, and I had to represent those artists,

679
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: and so I really started to learn the music. But

680
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm from Montgomery, Alabama, and I'm you know,

681
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: most of the one syllable words I say come out,

682
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: and especially you know, twenty years ago, twenty five years ago,

683
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: they came out in two, three, four syllables.

684
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: So I worked Chingy right there.

685
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: But obviously there does not even sound normal coming out

686
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: of my mouth. So when I would call my program

687
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: directors to talk to them about this new artist, Chiney

688
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 3: and y'all, that song was such an infectious record massive.

689
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I heard it once sin time. I

690
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: had all day still still this long.

691
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: So I would call to work the record and I'd say, hey,

692
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: I'm you know, this is Leslie with capital called to

693
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: talk to you about Chiny right there. And they were like, Leslie,

694
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: the song is right there. I'm like, I know that

695
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: the song is called right there. But if I said

696
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: right there, don't you actually think it's ridiculous and you

697
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: don't really take me seriously?

698
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: I mean, let me just call it right there. And

699
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: then I'm a.

700
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: Huge numbers geek, so I always have like the stats

701
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: and the numbers and all the things that were going

702
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: on with this song. But I had it in my

703
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: Southern accent, in my searsucker pants, with my bows in

704
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: my hair, working right there, and these people thought they

705
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: all thought I was hysterical, because.

706
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: Well, the record, you did it, you made it. I

707
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: made it.

708
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: The first time Jingy I took Chingy to radio, it

709
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: was to the Beat, which was the huge hip hop

710
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: station in Atlanta, and we met outside of the radio

711
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: station and he gets out of the car and he's

712
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: got like this posse of like twelve people, and I'm like, Chingy,

713
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: like the studio where you're gonna go cut these liners

714
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: is the size of a closet. We cannot take ten

715
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: people downstairs. You get to pick one person to come

716
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: downstairs with you. And he's like, no, they're all coming.

717
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: I was like, they can't fit in the closet. Everybody's

718
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: going to sit upstairs. We're taking one person. But they

719
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: all thought I was so funny because they were not

720
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: used to having this like really southern, strong, Southern woman

721
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: who you know, if you thought that you could tell

722
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: me how it was going to go, then I was

723
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 3: going to stand up and go huh uh, and I'd

724
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: get my little southern accent on and kind of slow

725
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: it down. And they all thought I was hysterical. And

726
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: I also wore so Chingy gave us all these belts

727
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: that literally the belt buckle was this big and it

728
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: said Chingy on it. So when I took him to

729
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: the radio station, I had on my cute little seven

730
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: jeans with my seresucker top and my bows and my

731
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: hair and my chini belt and Rich Money, who was

732
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: one of the guys in his group that would would

733
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: be on stage with him when he performed. He was like, Chingy,

734
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: she is representing and I was like what. I had

735
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: never heard that word before.

736
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 4: I was like, what does that mean? And I didn't

737
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 4: see him pointing to my belt.

738
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: I was like, and I'm sitting there thinking he's talking

739
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: about something that I'm wearing or whatever, but not thinking.

740
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: It's the belt for God to have the belt on.

741
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: He's like, look, she's representing. And I was like, what

742
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: does that mean?

743
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: And they all started laughing and they're like, she's representing.

744
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: And I looked down and I was like, oh, my belt,

745
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm representing you.

746
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm representing you. That's funny.

747
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: And they were like, oh my gosh.

748
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: But I loved them and these guys were great, and

749
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: it was super fun to work two songs from a

750
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: brand new artist that were so massive. I mean, I

751
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: still like you said about right there with Holiday Inn.

752
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: When that's when I hear the word holiday in, I

753
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: go straight to what you're doing nothing chilling at the

754
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: Holiday Inn.

755
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you worked and we'll call it pop.

756
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot of little formats there. How long did

757
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: you do that Atlanta?

758
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: I was only in Atlanta for two years and then

759
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: I came back here to do again. So i'd started

760
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: in country. I actually started as a temp at rca label.

761
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Group, like a like an administration, yeah, temp, like an assistant.

762
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Were you doing that because you knew you wanted to

763
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: get into it or are you just looking for a job.

764
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: At that time, I knew I wanted to get into

765
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: the music business, so I started. I was living in

766
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: Nashville and I actually worked for the temp company doing marketing,

767
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: and my first year out of college. I'll move through

768
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: this really quickly. It's just kind of funny. My dad

769
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, you got four years in a day.

770
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: Your four years is about up. Then that means you

771
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: have to have a job. And I was like, well okay,

772
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: And he's like, if you don't have a job by

773
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: the time you graduate, you're moving back to Montgomery and

774
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to help you find a job. And all

775
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: I could think is, I don't want to move back

776
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: to Montgomery, Alabama. I mean, I want to go spread

777
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: my wings and figure out who I am. And so,

778
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: long story short, I ended up getting a job as

779
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: a living nanny for a race car driver.

780
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: A famous one.

781
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: He's a top fuel driver, great top field driver's name

782
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: was Jim Head.

783
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: So I moved to Columbus, Ohio, oh he didn't live here. No,

784
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: my dad was like.

785
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: You're not gonna go live with some family we don't know.

786
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: And long story short, his uncle happened to live in Montgomery,

787
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Alabama and was in the Chamber of Commerce and Rhetorie

788
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: Club and did all of this philanthropic stuff with my dad,

789
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: and so my dad knew him, and he was like, Okay,

790
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: well he's a great man, and this is his nephew.

791
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: Then he's a great man too, and yes, you can

792
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: take the job. I was like, well, and I'm also

793
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: twenty two years old, and so I can kind of

794
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: take the job if I want to. So, long story short,

795
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: I went to go live on this racing circuit and

796
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: living in that I so we were races every weekend.

797
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: I think we had thirty two races in that year.

798
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: Living in that sports world, I kind of knew I

799
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: wanted to be in sports and or entertainment. I grew

800
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: up in Montgomery, but my family's from Nashville. My mother

801
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: grew up in Nashville. I had all these aunts and

802
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 3: uncles in Nashville. So I called my aunt and uncle

803
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, can I.

804
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: Come live with y'all? And can you help me find

805
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: a job.

806
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: When I finished the year as an Annie, and so

807
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: I came here and went to work for a temp

808
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: agency and when they were RCA was one of our clients.

809
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: And so I actually went to the owner of the

810
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: company after you know, six or eight months, and I said,

811
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 3: I really want to work in the music business and

812
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: I just wanted to see if y'all would consider placing

813
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: me if there's an opening at RCA. And he was like,

814
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: of course, and so you know, you've got to do

815
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: the work when you get in there, but we'll we'll

816
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: if you want to be a temp, we'll get you

817
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: in the door. And so I went to be a

818
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: temp for the head of sales at RCA and they

819
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: had had a lot of different assistants kind of come

820
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: through that desk. And I was there for two weeks

821
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: as a temp and they hired me full time and.

822
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: That quick and Joe was it. We were a ching

823
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: CHINGI belt.

824
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: I was not wearing the Chingi belt.

825
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: That was pree chingy.

826
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: I joke a lot. I was here yesterday, I know.

827
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: I actually I just had coffee with a friend and

828
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: she was telling me that Joe's over here. So I

829
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: can't wait to hear that podcast. He's one of my

830
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: mentors and one of my favorite human beings on the planet.

831
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: And I mean, he really taught me so much about

832
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 3: this business.

833
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: So did whomever you were with talk to him after

834
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: he was here? I wonder how people feel and do

835
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: you have good experience here?

836
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: Do we know?

837
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if she talked to him after.

838
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: She just said, oh, because I said, I'm headed over

839
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: to do Bobby's podcast and she goes, oh, my gosh,

840
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: Joe just did it yesterday, and I was like, that's

841
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: so cool.

842
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: It was awesome.

843
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: He's amazing, just done everything and he's done. He's been

844
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: so influential in country music. I mean, and he really

845
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: has been so important in so many different executives and

846
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: artist careers. I mean, he really was is still one

847
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: of the greatest mentors that you could have.

848
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Did he move you up?

849
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Like?

850
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: How did that?

851
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: Well? I mean I worked for people under him who

852
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: moved me up. But I mean, you know, I've always

853
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: had a really strong work ethic, and I'm very driven,

854
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: and I'm also insanely organized, and so I kind of

855
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: dope end my day until everything is done. And so

856
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: when I was at so at RCA. It ended up

857
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 3: becoming Sony. But when I was at RCAA at the time,

858
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: I worked in the sales department and I ran all

859
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: of the sales reports. Well, I mean, y'all, back then

860
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: we barely had email. I mean, we didn't have cell

861
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: phones really, So I would have to get in on

862
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 3: Wednesday morning, which was when all the sales numbers came out.

863
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: I would show up to the office at like four

864
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: in the morning because I'd have to run all these

865
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: programs out of DOS. Do y'all even know what doss y'all,

866
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: you do not know what DOSSA is. So I'd have

867
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: to like run these all of sound scan out of

868
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: DOS and then move it into an Excel spreadsheet. And literally,

869
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's a lot of and I don't want

870
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: to say labor intensive, but I mean it just takes time.

871
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: So I did that and up put the reports together

872
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: for all of the executives, and so to get everybody

873
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: report together for their meeting at nine am, I mean

874
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: I'd get into the office at four four thirty in

875
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: the morning, so that when they all got into the

876
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: office at you know, eight thirty for their nine am meeting,

877
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: all of their reports, their sales reports were there and

878
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: my degree was an accounting so I was always just

879
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: a numbers person and I would dig through all of

880
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: the numbers because I was just interested.

881
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: I wanted to know what made.

882
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: Things sell, why did certain things sell when other things

883
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: weren't selling, how was it marketed? And so I just

884
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: started really paying attention to all of the reports. I

885
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: was focused on to try to understand not just to

886
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: give them the report, but to understand the why behind it.

887
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: So when you moved from being at Tempt, what was

888
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: the job you took or they get they offered you.

889
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: I was the assistant to the head of sales, So

890
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: what do you Okay, that's still a numbers very numbers

891
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: oriented Yeah.

892
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: So from that then what did you do?

893
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: So then I actually ended up leaving and I went

894
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: to work for Mindy McCready who was one of our artist.

895
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: And what did you do for her?

896
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: I started as her personal assistant and then became her

897
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: tom manager.

898
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: You were a tour manager.

899
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't like twenty five years old.

900
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: That's a that's a difficult, stressful it is raveling.

901
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 4: And we were a baby act.

902
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: We were we opened for at the time, we were

903
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: going back and forth between to McGraw, George Strait, and

904
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: Alan Jackson, and I literally like showed up that. I

905
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: was like, how did I become this rough? I think

906
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: the tour manager quit and then she was like, oh,

907
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: Leslie's going to be the tour manager. And then her

908
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: manager called and said, this is a terrible idea. You

909
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: are basically a child and you have no idea what

910
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: you're doing. And I was like, I completely agree with you.

911
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: I have no idea what I'm doing. And he was like, well,

912
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out on the road with you

913
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: for a weekend and I'm going to teach you and

914
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: and so he, you know, taught me what he could

915
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: literally on the bus. And then I remember getting to

916
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: the first show was Alan Jackson and Tony Stevens was

917
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: Allen's tour manager at the time, and I walked into

918
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: the production office and I was like, Hi, my name

919
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: is Leslie and i'm Mindy steruner manager and I have

920
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: absolutely no idea what I'm doing, and so if you

921
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: would just teach me, I promise I will make this

922
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: as easy on you as possible. And I did the

923
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: same with Tim's temer manager and they were just so

924
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: gracious and wonderful and kind of taught me the road

925
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: side of the business and the touring side of the business,

926
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: which is very different than the label side.

927
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting.

928
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: What's really cool is you had I mean you had

929
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: to learn a skill and at the time it's probably

930
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: difficult and like this is really hard, but then you

931
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: had an element that you knew with your artists that

932
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: other people do in your position didn't know because they

933
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: hadn't probably been on the ground in that form. I

934
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: was with my booking agent is Brad Bissell at CIA, Yeah,

935
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: and his wife Stally. He's run the opry and I

936
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: was with them, but they came out to my show

937
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: that I did at CMA Theater and afterward Brad it

938
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: was like, it was really interesting about your career is

939
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: like you can relate to people on so many levels.

940
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: He said, you know, you've.

941
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: You tour, you know how hard it is, and when

942
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: you get an artist it's coming into your show to

943
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: do an interview and most people are like, oh wow.

944
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: It's like you can talk about catering or what.

945
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: It's like to be in a different hotel and wake

946
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: up and not know what city you're in and or.

947
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Sure or brought a promoter is or not getting your

948
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: merch money or you know all this and he's like

949
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: that's cool, and I was like, it was hard. I

950
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, Like I had to learn

951
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: because I wasn't I wasn't good at other stuff.

952
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: So I had to find a different.

953
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: Way to actually get to where I was, which is

954
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: doing all these crazy things.

955
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: But now it's like a superpower.

956
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I have.

957
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: Same for you.

958
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: You were a tour manager for an artist, but you

959
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: understood how hard it was to travel and you had

960
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: the sleeping always difficult. Comfortability not a thing, especially a baby.

961
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Artists no money, no money you're living on, and so

962
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: to have that skill that you earned, I just think that.

963
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: Would be so valuable.

964
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 3: It was a it was a really wonderful experience. And

965
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: it's all very humbling. I mean anytime you whatever you

966
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: start doing in this business is humbling because there's so

967
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: many people who have come before you that know more

968
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: than you know. And so I just always felt like

969
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: instead of walking in and pretending like I knew something

970
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: that I didn't. And also there are a lot of

971
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: people like they need you to be efficient and to

972
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: not get in the way of their job. And so

973
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: what I wanted to know is how do I come

974
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: in and be the tour manager for the support act

975
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: and do what y'all need us to do out here

976
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: and not get in your way and also look out

977
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: for my artists at the same time.

978
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 4: And so, and I was young.

979
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I didn't have a lot

980
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: of world experience, much less working experience.

981
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 4: But it was a great opportunity.

982
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: I mean it sucked. I know it sucked. Had to suck.

983
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: It sucks. That's a hard, sucky job. And I mean

984
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: that it was also.

985
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: Fun because I was a kid seeing the world.

986
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: When I say valuable, I don't mean valuable like it

987
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: was the most amazing thing. I feel bad for my

988
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: tour manager, and you know what, I pay them pretty good.

989
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, but I also.

990
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Know they're dealing with me and my schedule and I

991
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: might need a lemon before I might come my throat sore. Right,

992
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: they not only have to deal with Okay, here's the

993
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: person doing the merch. Okay, this is the promotere I

994
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: gotta meet with them after the show to clear this.

995
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: I got to give Boby a freaking lemon. I got

996
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: to make sure the lights and make sure people don't

997
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: have their salt. It's everything, and you got.

998
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: The band and you've got to you know, help you're

999
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 3: you're also representing the band and so they have knees

1000
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: as well. I mean it's my only point great experience.

1001
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a great experience, but it's very difficult.

1002
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: And that is like to have empathy, yeah for that,

1003
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: Like that's that's awesome, that's what so fun you do that?

1004
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: Where do you do you get back in the label

1005
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: business after that?

1006
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1007
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 4: I ended up getting back.

1008
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's some other things and kind of stepped

1009
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: away and then I came back in it and then

1010
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: I started. So the next thing I did in the

1011
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: industry was promotion for Capital and I was hired by

1012
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: our president was in LA, so it'shigh hired out of

1013
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: the LA office and for the Atlanta job, like as.

1014
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: A regional again where you're representing area of stations.

1015
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's where I where I represent a cold

1016
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: Play And yes, that was my first promotion job. So

1017
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: you want to And I didn't know anything about promotion

1018
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: at the time.

1019
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: By the way, I didn't know. I didn't even really

1020
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: know that.

1021
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: Thing record reps called a radio station to ask the

1022
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: program director to play the music. And so, you know,

1023
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: believe it or not, there's a lot of numbers that

1024
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: go into promotion as well, and you're looking at not

1025
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: only We're a song is on the charts, but you

1026
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: know which markets generate more audience and how to drive listenership,

1027
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: how to drive people to play the song more so

1028
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: that you have more people listening to the song. And

1029
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: then when you're going into a market, you obviously want

1030
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: that song to be really exposed in a in a

1031
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 3: very strong way so that when the artists are on stage,

1032
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: the fans a or there bround the tickets and then.

1033
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: They're singing along.

1034
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: So I just really learned that side of the business

1035
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: and it really fit my personality. I loved it. I mean,

1036
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun and it was fun

1037
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: to work. You know, this variety of artists, I mean

1038
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: Kylie Minogue, Colplay and adored Coldplay. It was there really.

1039
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: I mean, so I worked Russia Bloods one, Yeah, and

1040
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: in My Place was the first single off of that,

1041
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: and then they came in for the tour.

1042
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't the first one Yellow that record before

1043
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: that was.

1044
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: That was the album for I didn't work that album,

1045
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 3: so I worked Russia Blood, and I mean I feel

1046
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 3: like they started the US tour, I mean pretty close

1047
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: to the beginning. They did Atlanta and Elton John came

1048
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: out and played with them in Atlanta, and then they

1049
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: did The Rymen, and so I brought them to the

1050
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: Rymen and they wanted to go out after y'all, and

1051
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: nobody knew who they were, so well, literally we walked

1052
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: across the street from the Rymend to this bar called Rippy's,

1053
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: and the guy that owned the bar shut it down

1054
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: and let them and the band the music was the

1055
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: opening act, just play all night long. We had the

1056
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: best time, and they they love music so much that

1057
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: they wanted to stay another night before they went on

1058
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: to the next venue. And so they were like, take

1059
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: us out to hear bluegrass, and so we took him

1060
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: to the station in and they got to hear Sam

1061
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: Bush play and they you know, these were just young

1062
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: guys from.

1063
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: No one knew them but knew them to look because

1064
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: you knew their.

1065
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Music, their music, but didn't I mean people, they weren't

1066
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: as recognizable when they walked off of the stage that

1067
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: I mean now they can't walk outside but they weren't

1068
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: as recognizable then because.

1069
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: Chris Martin was.

1070
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: When I remember the Yellow video, I shook my whole

1071
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: world when I saw him walking on the beach with it,

1072
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the great song and

1073
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: the rest video IVE ever seen. He's not doing anything

1074
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: but walking and being sad, and I was like, this

1075
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: is changing, this is it, And so I was still.

1076
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: I love cold Play.

1077
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: I like their piano slow stuff more than their I

1078
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: like the version of the instrument. Some people like the

1079
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: new version, but I love Coldplay. But it's cool that

1080
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: they just wanted to hang.

1081
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: They just want to Yeah, And I mean they're just

1082
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: great people. They're great guys. I mean, and you know

1083
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: that album. I mean, think about the great songs on

1084
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: that album. Clocks the Scientist what a brilliant song, I mean,

1085
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 3: and then Willie Nelson covers The Scientist and Chris's version

1086
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: of the Scientists and Willie's version of the Scientists are

1087
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: so different, but both so poignant. I mean, that's just

1088
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: love of music.

1089
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: So you were I also remember you with Carrie? Yeah, right,

1090
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: you're with Carrie?

1091
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1092
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: Arista is aria still a thing?

1093
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is?

1094
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have no connection to labels at all.

1095
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so old Dominion is on Arista and I'm gonna

1096
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: be honest, I can't remember.

1097
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't.

1098
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know who's on one labels either, because I

1099
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: was talking to you before it.

1100
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: Labels don't come in the studio anymore. They're in the

1101
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: green room. Because it was just a mess.

1102
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do a show and

1103
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: have connection with me and the artist and really, but

1104
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: if the label's in there, it's just like.

1105
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 4: It's sometimes, yeah, it's a little different.

1106
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: So you're an aristo and I remember there was like

1107
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: a big layoff or something like some people left, and.

1108
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: So I was there for thirteen years and then.

1109
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: As a long time.

1110
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: I started as a regional and then you know, became

1111
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: the national and then I became the baby and I mean,

1112
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: I gosh. When I started, I mean it was I

1113
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 3: had Brooks and Done and Alan Jackson and Brad and

1114
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Keith Anderson, Phil Vassar, then Carrie.

1115
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: Cam Lanco at the beginning, maybe.

1116
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: I had the beginning of Lano and then you know,

1117
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: as happens in this world, when you have changes at

1118
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: the top, chairman changes, That's.

1119
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: What it was.

1120
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: It was a big change and they brought in their

1121
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: own people. Yeah, I think I remember being.

1122
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: Like what and I hated her After that, I was

1123
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: like no more.

1124
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Well, I mean listen when when I left, we were

1125
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: the number two label, the number two imprint and country music.

1126
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: So I mean we had a ton of success and

1127
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun. But then, you know,

1128
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: everything in life happens for a reason. I'm a huge

1129
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: believer in that. And I'm also a huge believer in

1130
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: one door closing is just making room in your life,

1131
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: in space for another door opening. And right when I

1132
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: so I left Sony and Arista in February of twenty sixteen,

1133
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: and I mean, I want to say it was like

1134
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: either right before that or right after Garth announced he

1135
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: was staffing the Imprint, And.

1136
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I said for Garth, yeah, I was like Brooks and

1137
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: You're like yeah, and so how does that happen? You're

1138
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: still with Garth?

1139
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: Yes?

1140
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1141
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: And Trishia, Yeah, so how does how does that conversation

1142
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: does he call you?

1143
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: Does?

1144
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: So? Mandy McCormick was working was the first person that

1145
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: went over to work directly with he and Trisha, and

1146
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: so she was really helping him staff it. She called

1147
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: me and we had a couple of conversations and then

1148
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: she said, he's playing the show with a Ryman and

1149
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: we want you to come up and see it. And

1150
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: it was his first time to play the Ryman, y'all,

1151
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: which I did not ever.

1152
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh ever, I thought it was like a person

1153
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: time to play the ryman in like twenty years in this.

1154
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: Did he get too big?

1155
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: He quick?

1156
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 4: I think he did.

1157
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: He all of a sudden he had not played the

1158
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: rhymen and then he went out and was playing these

1159
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: huge shows. And I don't actually remember the exact story

1160
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: of why he didn't play it until that moment, but

1161
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 3: it was when I say it was one of the

1162
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: most special music experiences of my life. My husband came

1163
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: up here with me. We went to the show, and

1164
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: at one point in the show, I had tears coming

1165
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: down my face and my husband looked at me and

1166
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: he's like, that's a visceral reaction to music, and if

1167
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: you are emotional in a happy way, not a sad way.

1168
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just so it was such a

1169
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: beautiful performance. I mean, here he's playing these covers at

1170
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: the beginning with the with the curtains closed on the

1171
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 3: stage of the rhymen and he's playing George Jones and

1172
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: Johnny Cash and just this. You're like, oh my gosh.

1173
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you're listening to this amazing music and from him,

1174
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: and then he and Tricia come on stage together. It

1175
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: was just it was really a powerful night. And the

1176
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: next day I remember my husband looking at Mandy and

1177
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: is like, she's going to do this. And then he

1178
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: called me that night the next night and we just

1179
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: had a conversation about, you know, kind of where I

1180
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: was in my life and what I wanted to do

1181
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: and what he wanted to do with the label, and

1182
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, where he was. And at that point, I

1183
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: was like, I'm in It's weird.

1184
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: When Garth calls on the phone. It's weird because you're

1185
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: just like, that's crazy. Guard's voice is coming out of

1186
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 2: a little phone right there.

1187
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: And he's just this kindest Yeah, that's weird too. He's

1188
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: so kind and he's so gracious, and he he's so

1189
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: he listens better than anybody I know. I mean, like

1190
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 3: he literally listens to the words coming out of your

1191
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 3: mouth and what you're saying. And some people are thinking

1192
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 3: about what they're going to say next when they're talking

1193
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 3: to somebody he doesn't.

1194
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: I agree.

1195
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: It's again I keep using the word weird, because you

1196
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: just don't expect a massive star, the biggest star in

1197
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: the world.

1198
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: I have time. Yeah, Ordy care.

1199
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: And all that.

1200
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: He makes the time and he cares, he really cares

1201
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 3: about human beings. And I mean Tricia is the same.

1202
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: She's one of my very best friends. I just absolutely

1203
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: adore them. And I have to say, I mean, you know,

1204
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: I started in September of twenty sixteen, and you know,

1205
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: here I was the gem of their labels and we're

1206
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 3: launching this new team and this new music. And six

1207
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 3: months after I started, I was diagnosed with cancer. And

1208
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 3: both of them immediately went into whatever you need every

1209
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: single time that I called him, and I was like, Okay,

1210
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: I want to really not focus on cancer. I want

1211
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: to feel normal and focus on work. And so, you know,

1212
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: after I had the surgery and i'd kind of get

1213
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 3: over the hump of chemo, I would call him to

1214
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: talk about work and he'd answer the phone and he'd

1215
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: stop me. I mean, I'd go, hey, hey, doing, I

1216
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: want to talk to you about and I'd just like

1217
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 3: dive in and he's like, whoa, hey doing, and I'm like, okay,

1218
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: how are you feeling?

1219
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: And he would.

1220
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: Always stop and want to talk about how I was.

1221
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: And I felt like with both he and Tricia my

1222
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: health and where I was, not just physically, but I mean,

1223
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: you know, this kind of a disease is it's emotionally

1224
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: trying as well.

1225
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: And they were always so concerned.

1226
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: About me and my family and how we were doing

1227
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: in the juggle, And I remember saying to him, I

1228
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: need to work. I need to feel normal, and working

1229
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: makes me feel normal, and he was like, you know,

1230
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: you can work as much as you want to, but

1231
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 3: you also need to take care of yourself.

1232
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: You felt supported.

1233
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Personally and professionally, which makes you feel even more supported

1234
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: personally exactly.

1235
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't I think it's really difficult

1236
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: in a corporate environment, even though a lot of corporations

1237
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: are very supportive of especially if people with you know,

1238
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: health situations, but in this industry, it's really hard to

1239
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: have that much love and support around you. I mean,

1240
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: I remember after we kind of got over the hump,

1241
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: and it was now it's twenty eighteen, and I was

1242
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: up at the house one day and I said to him,

1243
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: you know, we were just talking about the whole journey,

1244
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: and I said, and you know hear him on the

1245
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: other side of it, I have no cancer in my body.

1246
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 4: Hairs grow on back.

1247
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: And he was like, so, how you know you have

1248
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: been through a lot and you've been so strong through

1249
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: all of it. And I remember saying to him, as

1250
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: difficult as this diagnosis and going through all of this,

1251
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: it's the greatest thing that's ever happened in my life.

1252
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: And I thought that then in twenty eighteen, and then

1253
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: as you know, it came back actually right after your wedding.

1254
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: I remember you told me the wedding was like one

1255
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: of the last time you didn't know it was.

1256
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: The last celebration I had that I didn't know. I

1257
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: had my doctor swim on a Tuesday after your wedding

1258
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: and we found out that it's metastatic stage four. You know,

1259
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: this is the rest of my life and it has

1260
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: been the is trying and difficult as it is, it's

1261
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 3: been the greatest thing to happen in my life because

1262
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: of the perspective shift that happens when your mortality is

1263
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: staring you in the face. You just you have a

1264
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: choice to make, and you can either be a victim

1265
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: or you can live really intentionally and you can really

1266
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: celebrate your life and the people in your life, and

1267
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: you can really decide what matters now, like what am

1268
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: I going to do that's going to matter, because you know,

1269
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: my life expectancy is not the same as any of y'all's.

1270
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: And I've come to terms with that.

1271
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: I've processed that, and so what you know, what I

1272
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: told my doctors is just recently we found out a

1273
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago that is fantastasized into my brain,

1274
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 3: which is the worst possible news that you can get.

1275
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: But at the same time, this new drug was just

1276
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: released that is really you know, this could.

1277
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 4: Be a game changer for me.

1278
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: You could take my life expectancy from two years to

1279
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: you know, we don't know how long because it's a

1280
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 3: new drug. So it makes you look at life in

1281
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: a completely different way. It makes you every decision you make,

1282
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: every what you do when you wake up in the morning,

1283
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, kindness and love and joy. I've been so

1284
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: overwhelmed with this, just gratitude the number of people that

1285
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: have reached out. I mean, the first time around, you

1286
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: guys sent me this wall box full of pimp and

1287
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: joy stuff, and all I wanted to do during the

1288
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: first battle was to run this race. That was like

1289
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: the one thing that I was like, if I can

1290
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: just run this ten k on Thanksgiving Day while I'm

1291
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: going through chemo, It's proving to me that I'm still

1292
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: physically able. And so my sister and my step children's

1293
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: mom and her wife, we all went out and ran

1294
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: this together. And we all I've had everybody in Pimp

1295
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: and Joy, So everybody on our crew was in like

1296
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: a Pimp and Joy shirt or a Pimp and Joy sweatshirt,

1297
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 3: Pimp and Joy hat, and we all went out and

1298
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, we were in our Pimp and Joy and

1299
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: so you feel this love and gratitude that actually is

1300
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: out there for all of us to feel. You don't

1301
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 3: have to just have a disease to feel that. But

1302
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: a lot of times we get caught up in negativity

1303
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: and just stuff and.

1304
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: Worry in the world.

1305
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: And when you kind of let those things go and

1306
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: you focus on spending really good quality time with people

1307
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: and sharing love and receiving love, and and then also

1308
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, right now we're in this phase of bucket

1309
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: list as I told you earlier, and you know, Robert

1310
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: and I are, let's do everything that that we ever

1311
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: wanted to do, and you know, spend quality time with people.

1312
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sitting here with two bosses that

1313
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: not only helped me do that, but there's not just bosses.

1314
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: They're my friends, and they're a real part of helping

1315
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: me have these experiences that.

1316
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: There's nothing there's no way for me to even.

1317
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: Use.

1318
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't have the words to express the gratitude for

1319
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: that kind of love and compassion.

1320
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: I remember at the wedding and you know, things are

1321
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: running ten thousand miles an hour wedding because it's just

1322
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: everybody that you care about, and everybody wants to hang

1323
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: out and stay a few things. And I remember, and

1324
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: I love your husband too, just just the best. And

1325
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, one of the only people that I've let

1326
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: dominate me in the fight for the check, which is.

1327
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: Nothing like all right, you can have it. I get it.

1328
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm in your hometown, you can pay it for it.

1329
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: And went with Alabama.

1330
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: We had, you know, we had dinner.

1331
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: And so I remember spending time there and I guess

1332
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: you had spent some time with Garry the vox in

1333
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: my wedding.

1334
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, we had so much fun. We

1335
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: sat next to each other at dinner and.

1336
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: I remember I'm calling and somehow he had heard your

1337
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: story or I don't know how he caught it somewhere else,

1338
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: because obviously at the wedding you didn't even.

1339
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: Know the cancer come back.

1340
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: And so you're with Gary, Gary Levox, who's leadsing a

1341
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: Rascal Flats and Gary's just lovely and it's like a

1342
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: ball of energy and just yes on, He's just on,

1343
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: and it's so I remember he called me and he

1344
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: was like, hey, so your friend. Likely I spent a

1345
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of time the here the wedding. I don't know

1346
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: if he knew he had cancer. He just wanted to

1347
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: reach out to you. I don't remember what version it was,

1348
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: but I remember reaching out to you.

1349
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, can I give Gary your you

1350
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: know your number?

1351
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: And Gary called you and I think you told me

1352
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: that you guys had just prayed just about about you know,

1353
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: what you were going through. And I thought one the

1354
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: fact that he had such a a night, you know,

1355
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: this this gathering of moments with you through one night

1356
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: that he was like, I need to get in touch

1357
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: with her because that needs to be my friend. First

1358
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: of all, I was like, I get it, like that

1359
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: she's my friend, Like I understand why.

1360
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: And then secondly because I think he said, do you

1361
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: care if I call her and just pray with her?

1362
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what when you called me, That's what you said.

1363
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: He just wants to pray with you. So he must like, honey,

1364
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 3: I got I'm taking all of the prayers and anybody

1365
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: wants to pray with me.

1366
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm in So he must have known somehow.

1367
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I and I just thought, man, like, A, Gary,

1368
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: that's awesome.

1369
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: You know, and you know what I think happened. I

1370
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: think when I started, I'm so you know, I'm like

1371
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 3: the worst person at social media. A I'm just not

1372
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: good at it, and be I'm pretty private, so I

1373
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 3: don't share a whole lot. But I had this moment

1374
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: sitting in the chemo chair on October first and starting

1375
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: this horrific Adrian Maysen which is Red Devil chemo, and

1376
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: I was like, this is I have to tell people

1377
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: what's happening because people need to be self aware and

1378
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 3: do self checks. There are things that can save your

1379
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: life if you find cancer early. And so I just

1380
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: felt really compelled to write my story in a social

1381
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: media post which is about is not me as I mean,

1382
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: it was kind of shocking, and I think that somehow

1383
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: he saw that, whether.

1384
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 4: It was through a mutual friend or.

1385
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: But it was really sweet. I mean, to me, somebody

1386
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: offering to come and pray with you and take It's

1387
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: one of just the most beautiful things that happens when

1388
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: you're going through something traumatic, if you take a step

1389
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 3: back and you just look at what is happening in

1390
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: the moment. People wanting to take time out of their

1391
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: schedule to pray for you, to check on you, to

1392
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: just let you know that they're sending love. I mean,

1393
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: those little things are huge, and it's really how we

1394
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: should all try to live our lives. I mean, one

1395
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: thing that I try to do now is when somebody

1396
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: comes to my mind, there's a reason that person came

1397
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: to my mind, send them a text or a note

1398
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 3: and just say you know, I love you, I'm thinking

1399
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: about you. You just came to my mind. I just

1400
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: wanted to say hey. And I used to like, I

1401
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: don't want to bother people.

1402
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to sell me.

1403
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: But I have this experience has made me go when

1404
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: I feel that way, I look at my phone, and

1405
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: you know, yesterday out of the blue, I had six

1406
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: or seven friends just reach out that I'm not talking

1407
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 3: to on a daily basis. Hey, I just want you

1408
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 3: to know I'm thinking about you today. How's it going, when's

1409
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: your next treatment? And it just fills you, fills you

1410
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: with love and joy. And then, as you guys always say,

1411
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 3: with pimp and joy, want joy, forces joy and forces

1412
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 3: joy and forces joy. And the more that we spread that,

1413
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, there's enough bad news on the television

1414
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 3: and in the news that if we just started all

1415
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: trying to do our little part to spread kind of

1416
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 3: joy love, it's really life changing.

1417
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to ask you about is

1418
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: they or Laura Slater raised, Yeah, Ray, Ray my producer,

1419
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: my friend's wife, how because she got diagnosed ye breast

1420
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: cancer as where as well, and obviously she loves you.

1421
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: But you, guys, I don't know if you knew each

1422
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: other before.

1423
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 3: We did not. So Tricia called me and said, I

1424
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: have a friend who was just diagnosed and she's really young,

1425
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: and she said, would you talk to her? And I

1426
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 3: was like, absolutely, Well, I had my wig made at

1427
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 3: this fabulous place here because the first time I went

1428
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 3: through it. Losing my hair was incredibly traumatic. And so

1429
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 3: Tricia introduced me to this company here who made wigs,

1430
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 3: and Tricia had found them when they made her mom's

1431
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 3: wig when her mom had had cancer. So I had

1432
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 3: gone there and they made this gorgeous wig for me.

1433
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: And so.

1434
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: Babe was going to have an appointment at this place,

1435
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 3: and so I flew up here and met her and

1436
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: went to her appointment with her, and then we just

1437
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: sat down afterwards and I talked to her about my

1438
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 3: experience and all the things that I had been through,

1439
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: the good, the bad, the ugly, but really the good

1440
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: and the love and the joy that you have to

1441
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: keep going while you're going. You have to keep perpetuating

1442
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 3: while you're in this process. And we instantly connected and

1443
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: then she what a rock star. I mean, she shared

1444
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 3: her journey to so many people and has had such

1445
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 3: a great impact on women who are going through this.

1446
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 3: So it started, you know, with her sharing on social media,

1447
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: and then she started a blog, and she really has

1448
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: been so impactful and so many women's meant in discovery

1449
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: of the disease. And then she actually asked me to

1450
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 3: write my story in her blog, and I was like,

1451
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, like, I don't really do this. I'm

1452
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: super private, and then I was like, no, I need

1453
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: to do this. So this was before mine came back,

1454
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: and so I wrote for her for her blog. She's

1455
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 3: the only person I think that at the time could

1456
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 3: have gotten me to do that. And you know, we've

1457
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: just been friends ever since, and she's followed my journey

1458
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: and I've followed hers, and we're you know, we've just

1459
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: been friends. There's It's a really interesting thing was when

1460
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 3: this happens. There's a lot of women who have been

1461
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: through it. There's a lot of people that have cancer.

1462
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: But you all of a sudden, you're in the club

1463
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 3: that nobody wants to be in. And when you get

1464
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: invited into this club that nobody wants to be in,

1465
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 3: you really want to help love and nurture the other

1466
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: people in it. And so I mean, right now, I

1467
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 3: have my friend Clia from the Home Edit. She's going

1468
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 3: through it as well, and you know, we have else

1469
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 3: is in Florida in the same community, and we're sitting

1470
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: at the pool one day and she's sitting next to

1471
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 3: me and I was like, I'm Leslie, I'm going through

1472
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: the same thing. You're going through. And we sat and

1473
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: talked for you know, three hours, and we just you

1474
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 3: really try to love and support people through it and

1475
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 3: be there because there's, like anything, you can't really understand

1476
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 3: what it's like. As much as I mean, my husband

1477
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: is my rock, my family, my friends, you know, there's

1478
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: so many people that are here to support me. But

1479
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: the women who are going through it, there's just a

1480
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: different reality that we know that you can't know unless

1481
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 3: you're going through it. And so there's something super special

1482
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: about the relationships that form because of this, and it's

1483
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 3: one of the things that I'm forever grateful for. And

1484
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: Bey and I have that and I'm really grateful for it.

1485
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 3: And she is just y'all know, this fall of energy

1486
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: and light and fun and funny. And I'm super great

1487
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: for her.

1488
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she admires you so much. Heck, so I you know,

1489
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: just well I'm glad you stop by. And and I

1490
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: was gonna see you anyway, yeah, because you text her

1491
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: like Hay in the town and I was like, well,

1492
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to know the Amy Monday, Amy and the girls.

1493
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I can't do that. Who's

1494
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 2: that I'm here?

1495
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: And I was like it's so last minute, but I

1496
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: gotta find some space.

1497
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: And so I literally had two hours to open this afternoon.

1498
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: This week, and I was like, I was like, cant

1499
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 2: you come in?

1500
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: It's all I got and said, obviously I want to

1501
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: see her and talk to her, but I also want

1502
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: to talk with her because I think your career itself

1503
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 1: is very interesting. I think your story and your journey

1504
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: through cancer is extremely compelling, but it's also encouragement to

1505
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: others and the fact that you remain this positive force

1506
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: and it's not always positive, honestly, nothing right, but you

1507
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: still remain you know, this pot but then.

1508
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: Your overall story of all of it.

1509
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: Like, I just think people are going to take so

1510
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: much from this in so many ways. I'm grateful that

1511
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: you did it, and you did this. I'm just so thankful,

1512
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: and you know, I love you, and same with Robert,

1513
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: and thank you for having me, kidding for asking me

1514
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: to do awesome.

1515
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: It's been a you know, I didn't used to talk

1516
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: about this stuff so openly, but I think it's important,

1517
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 3: and I think it's important, especially in the world and

1518
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: all the craziness that is happening in our world. You know,

1519
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: to use whatever platform we have to share love and

1520
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 3: joy and kindness and compassion, and everybody's going through something

1521
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 3: and they just need it's a little kindness.

1522
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your time. It's been awesome. All

1523
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: right there, she is appreciate it. Leslie Simon, everybody, Bobby Bums,

1524
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Speaker 2: you have to do that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you a Leslie for coming by. That was an

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Speaker 1: amazing episode. Again, let me remind you Leslie's being honored

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Speaker 1: by the American Cancer Society Hope Gala in August and

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Speaker 1: she's currently raising money for cancer research and patient programs.

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Speaker 1: You can find that link in the episode notes of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Five bucks, ten bucks, whatever you can that

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Speaker 1: would be awesome. Hopefully you removed by this. Click that

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Speaker 1: to donate her honor or an honor or memory of

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Speaker 1: a loved one that is also battle cancer.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys,