WEBVTT - Patriots Playbook 4/26: Pre-Draft Predictions 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:10.080 This is Patriots Playbook, the legend. Welcome into the What 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.160 month is this? They need a corner, They need a corner, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.160 you did, I know? Listen, Well, that's why I'm setting 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.279 you up here. I'm throwing you a big fat softball. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.360 It's time for you to smash it out of the park. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:23.880 You're not gonna pick me up to the eighteen wheeler. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.639 You're gonna pick me up with the Camaro. Camaro. All right, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.200 all right on and Eldrid in the Camaro. Watch out, ladies, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.040 ready said go Now, here's your host of Patriots Playbook, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.440 John Rook. We press the button. It's been so long 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.279 here Eldridd in a Camaro. Okay, that's that's that has 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.559 to happen at some point, Matt. Maybe we can do 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.040 a you know, maybe we can arrange for him to 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.080 drive his Camaro during the regular season rather than the 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.800 eighteen wheeler that he drives in for a you know, right, 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.240 and get him to well, but he doesn't have the horn, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.400 he didn't have the thing going right, but he's as 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.240 a passenger for well, yeah, I could do that. I 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.160 can bring the sound sound effects, right. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.800 Hep for Eldred's sake, he's got a better looking passenger. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:13.759 You no offense job. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.559 Wow, let's start right like that? Shall we do that? 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.600 That's good, Evan Lazar. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.200 Welcome into the Playbook, the April pre Draft edition, off 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.200 season monthly edition of Patriots Playbook. And you know it, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.000 Originally we had intended what we were with the thought 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.759 process today was to because this is the day before 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.720 the draft, and because we're gonna be doing live draft 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.600 coverage here on Patriots dot Com Radio tomorrow, which you'll 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.399 be a part of it all weekend, really throughout the 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.080 entire draft. So if you're out and about, or you're 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.480 watching something else on TV, or you're watching the Celtics 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.080 choke again or whatever it may be, which was amazing 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.480 last night, I can't I know, I know, I know, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.320 I listen. I was watching your tweets. Evan, was more 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.520 and more pissed off guys that I saw, you know, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.960 and you were one hundred percent right Because I'm sitting 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.040 there with my wife with Miss Robin. We're watching the 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.120 game and we're like, they're gonna blow this, They're gonna 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.160 blow this, and she's like, turn it off. I can't 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.760 watch it turn it off, and I'm like no, because 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.400 I know the car wreck's coming. I can't turn it off. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:17.520 I'm gonna rubber neck. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.000 You know, I'm in a Celtics show. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.919 But that was lousy. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.120 That was lousy, and the head coaches is in my. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.200 Iran. I can't speak. I cannot speak ill of Joe 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.079 Missoula because he's a Rhode Islander. He's from Johnston, Rhode Island, 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.200 where I spent you know, twenty five years of my 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.160 residence here in New England. So I will not speak ill. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.720 But he made a mistake, and he's made several mistakes, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.840 and I am willing to live up to a certain 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.880 number of those because of his relative inexperience as a 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.800 head coach. But when that inexperience then costs you in 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.720 the postseason, yeah, all that's are off. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.040 Plus what you know, when your window is open, wide 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.040 open to go on a title run and you put 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.000 a coach in charge of a zero head coaching experience 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.760 for a team that should win a title, correct, it's 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:10.560 a lot of pressure. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.400 It is. It is. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.800 him one pass, okay, And they need they need to 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.560 figure out a way to win it Thursday night, which 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.679 of course is when they will have to play Game 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.840 six in Atlanta, and of course that'll be going right 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:23.560 up against. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.560 The draft, so right up against, right up against. They 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.359 get lucky if they blow it again, and then half 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.440 of New England will be watching the draft instead of and. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.600 Half of New England probably won't care, which is probably 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.720 gonna be for their benefit at any rate. All right, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.960 So we'll get back to the original premise then, because 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.240 the thought process was we were going to combine Catch 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.320 twenty two in the playbook for this week. But then, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.640 of course I'm listening to ninety eight five this week 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.120 to filgrin maz because they always do draft stuff, and 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.920 Alex Barth is working for them during the afternoon, so 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.480 his day job, as I used his day job. Yes, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.520 it's important. So we're pulling off half of catch twenty two. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.000 Does that make you catch eleven? 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:58.520 Sure? 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.520 Okay? Right, So we're taking at eleven here, uh, And 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.040 he's going to join the playbook for the pre draft show, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.360 and then you will be a part of the Patriots 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.520 Unfiltered Draft Show tomorrow night during the draft party. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:14.560 Draft party with me and Deuce and Paul and Fred 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.680 and Tamara and Alice. I'm sure we'll be around too, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:17.560 so it'd be a good time. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.599 Yeah, there's there's no room for Rook, so you know, 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.680 just go right ahead and always welcome. Yeah. Oh yeah, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.360 it depends on who you talk to. Look, we made 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.120 Matt spit out his sput out my coffee. See, Matt's 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.880 been in on all these these Uh, he's been in 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.880 all these conversations. We don't really need Rook and he's 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:43.120 he's my advocate. He's my Matt. Matt's my advocate, Matt Marine, Matt, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.440 I wouldn't listen if I was going to war with 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.280 you in Afghanistan. That's one guy i'd want to sit 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.800 next to me in the foxhole. Absolutely, Okay, yes, sir, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.920 that's one guy I'd wanted my foxhoul. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.160 So yeah, I told you earlier when Marine said that 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.680 he survived Afghanistan so he can survive the draft. I'm 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.240 just gonna keep telling myself that on Thursday night, right, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:07.479 I'm gonna be like, listen, relatively speaking, Marine in Afghanistan. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.320 So this is really just not very high on the 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.680 things that we need to worry about. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:16.159 I understand completely. So you'll understand if there's angst in 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.200 Evans's voice after the pick has made it fourteen, No, no, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.640 no better yet, they're gonna trade down. They'll trade down 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.800 then you I think you'll start to hear his throat titan. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.480 Trading down is. I'm not totally out on trading down, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.680 but you gotta tell me what the first thirteen picks were, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.520 Okay before I sign off. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.640 So if you have if you have a guy like 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.320 Skeronsky from Northwestern, or you have a guy like Broderick 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:48.280 Jones from from Georgia, or Quintin Johnson from TCU, or 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.400 hell my favorite, which is b Jon Robinson, although they 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.960 don't need him, but it wouldn't it wouldn't kill me 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.719 to see him slip that far because the guy's a 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.040 tremendous offensive talent. You may be one of the better 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.159 running backs to come out of the Pros or to 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.560 come into the Pros. I don't know, probably at least 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.080 in Saquon right, Yeah, yeah, without a doubt, because yeah, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.640 he's that multipurpose kind of back. I got to talk 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.360 about him a little bit because you guys won't talk 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.159 about him at all tomorrow. But he's one of those 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.040 guys that is tailor made to a twenty first century offense. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.719 He's good enough and shifty enough and strong enough to 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.960 go between the tackles and make guys miss He's got 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.359 that certain degree of missibility, which is the term that 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.400 I like to use. But he can also Man, can 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.320 you imagine that's sound of a gun. Go look at 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.000 the tape if you have it yet, and I know 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.720 many of you have, But boy, can you see him 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.479 on one of those wheel roots out of the backfield? Yeah? 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.200 I mean he's a top five player in the draft, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.839 no doubt about it. I'm fascinated to see where he 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.120 falls in the first round because it's really going to 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.280 be a bigger conversation of running back value and where 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.000 the position is. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.200 And that's the nature Hume. You're right, Evans, that's the 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.720 nature of the beast over the what maybe the last 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.760 six to ten drafts where the value of running back 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.000 up high just has not been there because running back 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.560 largely take such a physical beating. Their prime is only 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:05.320 five or six. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.560 Years, right, and you look at I think the main 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.440 thing is most teams look at, especially a top half 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.720 of the first round pick as a five to ten 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.920 year investment that you're hoping for your organization is going 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.920 to be somebody that you're gonna have as a pillar 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.440 of your team for a decade. You know, that's always 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.280 the old draft cliche. Oh, you draft this guy is 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.400 gonna be your left tackle for a decade. You know, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.440 that doesn't always work out like that, as we know. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.080 But running backs, you're really drafting that guy for the 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.280 life of his rookie contract. You're looking at four or 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.040 five years, and at that point we'll see if he 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.880 still has enough gas in the tank to carry it 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.600 into a second contract. But Saquon went second overall to 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.080 the Giants. Zeke went fourth overall to Dallas. But Dallas 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.520 didn't have a ton of other needs at that you know, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.160 they were a playoff team that got the pick from 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:01.240 somebody else, right, right, so they took Zeke you at 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.800 fourth overall. I just I don't know in this particular draft, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.080 I don't know where Bijon goes. Because the teams at 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.360 the top of the draft have such major needs at 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.320 important positions. Arizona's not in a position to take a 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.840 running back. They just need too much talent on their 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.840 roster for a positional value standpoint, the one team that 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.800 really stands out to me, well, there's two, but the 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.160 one that really stands out to me is the Philadelphia 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.560 Eagles at number ten because that's a team that has 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.320 everything tremendous roster. They don't necessarily need to pick a 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.720 corner because they have no playable corners right now, so 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.400 they have fantastic roster talent as it is. And with 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.000 a running quarterback, you now put Bijon in that backfield 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.320 with Jalen Hurts and forget about it. I mean, how 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.920 do you defend that package of the Reid option with 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.160 Hurts and Bijon being the one that gets the ball. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.439 Miles Sanders was there every down back last year. He's 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.800 gone so. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.760 To play the Eagles twice if that happens. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.199 Yeah, so I think that that's the spot. I also 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.400 wouldn't roll out Tennessee at eleven if they feel like 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.319 they're gonna trade Derrick Henry. They did it last year 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.160 with AJ Brown and they ended up drafting Traylon Burks 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.040 with the pick. So maybe they do another one for 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.480 one swap where they find somebody to take Derrick Henry 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.440 and then they just put Bjeon right in and don't 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.520 skip a beat. But I really like the Eagles at 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.240 ten for Bjon? 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:31.000 Why not? 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.640 Cherry on top for them? 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.040 Why not? And then that's usually teams that will take 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.680 backs like that, especially that high, because they just their 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.200 need is specific and they've got enough depth where they 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.680 can gamble on something like that. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:43.240 Yeah. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.520 Absolutely, So all right, so we got the Bejon issue 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.720 out of the way. If he does slip, we'll see, 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.880 but I don't expect him to, as you don't I 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.680 before we get to potential draft picks, and before we 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.800 look at, you know, the positions really that need to 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.000 be addressed by New England and realizing of course that 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.400 if you're listening to this on the podcast after the draft, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.280 the funny part will be we're either really right or 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.760 really wrong, okay, because yeah, well but that's okay. Yeah. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:15.679 So what I want to do is I want to 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.200 think philosophically as well here today, because clearly, if someone 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.199 is kind of going through the website and they're like, hey, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:22.920 let's hear what they talked about before the draft, let's 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.600 se how right those guys work because they tuck all 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.560 the time. Okay, not necessarily, but philosophically, we need to 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.479 I think discover a few things about where this team is. Specifically. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.959 There was a story that came out today. Yahoo Sports 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.320 put it out. Did you read it. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.320 I don't know what the headline is, so I can't. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.120 I can't tell you. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.000 The headline was Bill Belichick must crush this NFL draft 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.320 the rest of his career, and the Patriots place in 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.720 the AFC East may hinge on it. And the story 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.960 is written by Dan Wetzel, who I know a little bit. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.600 I've read his stuff for a long time. He's a 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.640 very knowledgeable writer, especially a football writer, and he's writing 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.040 for Yahoo. But that was this story he put out today, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.959 and when I read it, my initial thought was I've 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.599 been thinking this for like two or three years, and 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.480 now somebody's finally doing it. And I'm thinking, you know what, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.480 I can't argue with anything the guy has said, or 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.360 any of the thoughts and the general premise of the headline. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:27.000 It's really hard to argue it his lead. The most 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.360 important NFL draft of Bill Belichick's career came in two 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.559 thousand and one of the second chance head coach trying 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.240 to rebuild, the Patriots managed despite lacking a first round 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.200 pick to select a few contributing talents Hed Jr. Redmond, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.960 Greg Randall, and famously uncovered Tom Brady with the one 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.480 hundred and ninety ninth pick. If not for that draft 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.960 or that Brady pick, we probably aren't talking about Belichick 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.080 as an NFL head coach all these years later. He's right, 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.160 because we could have seen Cleveland. Redo is what we 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.640 could have seen on Thursday. Belichick will oversee his twenty 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.800 fourth draft in Fox bro and the stakes are as 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.880 high as they were in the beginning. And I'm one 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.280 hundred percent behind that they are. And look, I know 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.520 the Crafts have long said, first of all, we like Bill. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.360 We love Bill. We love what Bill has done for 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.640 the for the area, for the for the program, for 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.559 the franchise, for New England, for Boston, for Patriots fans everywhere. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.120 Six Super Bowls are unmatched. Well they're they're matched, but 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:30.439 by one guy. Unmatched. Okay, so thank you. But the 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.559 business of the sport comes first. And if you are 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.640 to sustain what the Steelers tried to do, well, let's 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.480 go back further. The Packers tried to do in the sixties, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.360 what the Steelers did in the seventies, what the forty 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:47.800 nine ers tried to do in the eighties what the 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.280 Cowboys started in the nineties. Boy, they had it going 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.880 in the early nineties. You're too young for that, right 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.000 on the cuss Okay, you're on the cusp of that one. Yeah, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.480 but you know the record books, you see the numbers, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.080 and you understand, well they won, you know, three and five, 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.920 so pretty good, pretty good run right there. And then, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.120 of course what the Patriots were able to accomplish in 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.840 both the two thousands and the twenty tens with winning 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:13.120 three in those things, how do you sustain beyond what 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.160 those teams just did. And the fact is is that 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.200 none of those other teams could. The Patriots did it 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.600 once and now it's time for build a show. He's 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.480 still got enough gas left in the tank to do 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.440 it again. If not, it's time to move on. That's 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.360 my own personal thought. So I think this is a 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.839 hugely important draft for the Patriots. They got to get 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:39.200 it right because of the one significant thing, especially because 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.520 of one significant thing that happened this week in the 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.520 NFL to our lovely rivals in New York by pulling 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.760 in a four time NFL MVP at quarterback in Aaron 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:56.240 Rodgers a forty year old to be quarterback. Yes, but 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.920 haven't we gone through that? Okay, we've been through a 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.839 forty year old quarterback here, and he could play a 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.920 little bit. He's not the same guy. I get it. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.000 Yeah, I hear you. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.040 But you are now out of four teams in the 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:15.280 AFC East, you're fourth on paper, on paper, and I 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.360 think here's the scary part. I think you'll agree here. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.960 But if you don't say so, the Patriots are better 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.520 this time now than they were this time a year 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.080 ago on paper. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.640 On paper, if you include coaching on paper, then yes. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.760 So my question to you here the philosophically is, Okay, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:38.200 how much did Aaron rodgers arrival in New York change 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.480 the Patriots outlook on this draft and this season? 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.560 I don't think all that much because I think that 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:50.040 the importance of the draft was hugely important regardless of 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.240 who the quarterback was in New York. And I just 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.000 look at the Jets as a team that had a 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.080 better roster than you. Anyways. I really believe that or 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:04.000 at least had had guys, especially younger guys like Garrett Wilson, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.720 like Sauce Gardner, who are guys that you can look 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.600 at as franchise changing, altering players that are gonna be 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.440 Jets for the next ten years. Like we were just 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.520 talking about, right they plugged this guy in, He's going 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.840 to be a franchise star for you for the next 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.160 ten years. They already had some of those places in place. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.640 And I think the team last year at the Patriots 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.800 be twice was better than you and a lot of 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.800 areas other than quarterback and maybe coaching, and that's why 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.880 those games were won by the Patriots and not won 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.120 by the Jets. So in a lot of ways, I 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:42.400 think it changes just this year number of teams that 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.360 are now competitive in the AFC. When you look at 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.720 it from a Patriots point of view, I think you 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.240 can really make the argument for ten or eleven teams 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.120 to make the seventeen playoff, and you are maybe the 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.000 twelfth team or the eleventh team in that mix, depending 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.560 on how positive you want to be right now about 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.320 the outlook of this team. So I think that there's 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.520 the Jets are now squarely in the playoff contending mix. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.800 I'm not ready to put them in Super Bowl contending 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.280 quite yet. Let's see what Aaron Rodgers looks like. Does 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.080 he look like the guy he was last year? Or 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.840 does he look like the guy two years ago? Right, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.680 Let's see how blocked in he is, Let's see how 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.560 he invested he is, and then let's go from there. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.880 But in general, I come back to with this draft 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:32.320 always that they need guys like they got. You know, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.720 Bill was talking at Devin McCarty's retirement press conference about 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.880 that draft. I think it was what the twenty ten draft. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:48.200 I want to say, Devin mccorty, Rob Gronkowski first round, 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.000 second round, knocked it all the way out of the park, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.040 hit it on lansdown Street. Those are the types of 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:02.400 drafts that become building blocks for organization and really spearhead 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.520 everything that's going on here. So if I look at 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.560 it from a Patriots perspective, and I think corner and 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.399 we call it obviously Gronk's tight end, offensive playmaker, you know, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:18.280 pass catcher. Those two positions again, could be two positions 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.159 that they really ought to hit on in this draft, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:26.240 you know, dB and playmaking, offensive weapon. If they can 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.960 do something like that, And I bring that up just 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.920 because he's done it before. Has it been ten years? Yeah, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.040 it's been ten years. And that's I've been steadfast on 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.560 that in every program that we've had that he has got. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.919 Bill's got to show me that he can still draft, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.359 because it has been a long, long time since they've 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.600 had a first round pick that we've all felt really 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.639 good about, probably Dante high Tower and Chandler Jones, and 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:58.359 that draft in twenty twelve was the last time that 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.680 they truly hit on a first round were years ago. Yeah, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:09.760 And quite frankly, I don't know how many gms separate 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.200 the coach for a second. I don't know how many 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:18.320 gms make it through the last eleven drafts, eleven drafts 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.760 that the Patriots have had and keep their jobs because 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.439 I think a lot of owners, if it was a 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.920 separate person, right, the coach and the GM, a lot 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.800 of owners would say, well, Brady dragged us there, right, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.320 you know, Brady's the one that got us into that 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:40.280 contending tier in the NFL. But this roster has fallen apart, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.000 and at some point that that string runs out, even 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.120 on Bill, even on somebody as good as Bill. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.760 That's the nature pro football, though, right, And this happens 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.840 to every team. It just hasn't happened New England in 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.600 the last twenty four years because that's when Bill came in, 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.879 and he had extraordinary success because he had wrong early drafts. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.439 He had strong early identification of veteran players. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.600 You once upon a time it felt like they hit 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.320 on every right, every first round pick, and it felt 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.160 like you just knew it's a given that that guy 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.480 might not be. You know, Ty Warren wasn't a Patriot 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.040 Hall of Famer, He wasn't an all time great player, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.119 but he was a very good player. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:23.960 And what they. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.560 Wanted him to do, and that was that was the 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.240 bottom line. We knew that they were going to clear 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.960 that bar, and then we knew that there was also 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.800 another bar that they could clear that was a Patriot 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.440 red jacket type of guy, and they just haven't had that. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.280 You know, Cole Strange, We'll see, but it's not. That's 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.360 not happening for Cole Strand he's not probably not. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.840 But I again, I still can't judge last year's draft. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.800 It seems like, Okay, they got some wor couple pieces 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.760 out of that. They they dipped into free agency as well, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.760 and or they dipped into undrafted free agency as well 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.600 and got guys to stick. They've done that. What nineteenth 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.600 straight years now. Yeah, so you know, I think you 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.000 can cert expect something like that to happen again this 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.080 year because the Patriots are have been very good at 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:09.680 recognizing the undervalued talent, but sometimes they depend too much 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.320 on the undervalued talent. Yeah, and this is the difference 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.680 between the Patriots to me minus Tom Brady. Let's move 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.600 that equation out of it. But this has been the 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.280 largest difference between the Patriots successful and the Patriots of 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.600 the last three years is they just have they haven't 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.679 scored big when they've needed to score, and some of 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.800 that unrecognized or even recognized talent because they've dipped to oh, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.760 you know, this guy's fine, Oh this guy's good, or 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.720 this guy we can pay or whatever it may be. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.720 They're too worried about that. You got to get guys 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.679 that can produce on the field, now. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.040 Yeah, I just think they really have to look at it. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.240 And I understand that there's been drafts. You know, the 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.919 eighteen Draft always comes to mind when I say stuff 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.320 like this, because they drafted win Michelle Dawson with their 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.680 first three picks. Georgia, Georgia, Florida, right, Like, those are huge, 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.520 big time programs and we're not talking about guys. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.320 And we're not talking about any of those guys still here. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.240 No, we're not talking about UT Chattanooga, right, we're talking 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.280 about three Georgia played or won the national championship that year. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.240 If I remember correctly, you know, with those two guys, 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.760 I believe they've won the last two. Yeah. So I'm 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.760 not saying it's it's a fail safe there, it's never 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.560 goes wrong when you do this. But I really feel 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.479 like in this draft, my one prerequisite going into this 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:30.280 draft is I want a name brand pick in the 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.440 first round. We cannot have a cold strange. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.400 And with fourteen, with fourteen picking up in the upper half, now, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.680 and that's a big car too, Okay, you need your 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.600 chances of getting a name brand something, somebody that everyone's 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.439 talking about or has talked about, or has been in 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.320 every mock or whatever is out there. Your chances are 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.520 very strong to do that. But if you take a 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.080 step back and first of all, trade down, which we 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.359 know Bill leads the world in draft day trades, right, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.240 and don't be surprised if it happens to me, The 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:05.520 most likely thing to happen is going to be a 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.880 first night trade. That's the most likely thing to happen 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.040 now if they keep fourteen, all right, we want you 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.199 said they need a brand name, and I agree with you. 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.600 The question is what brand name do they do? They 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.199 go and they get So this kind of leads me 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:25.080 into my question for our listeners today. For you, I 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:26.800 want you to answer. I'm gonna answer it as well 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.679 because I have my own thoughts. We shared you know, 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.199 who you know I like in the first round if 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:36.000 he's there tomorrow, and I want everyone to contribute on 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.080 the show. And here's the thing, Matt, We're gonna do 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.800 our best today to keep track of the different names, okay, 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.840 and we're gonna find out and we're and so next month, yeah, 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.880 next month, next month, all right. If we have somebody 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.240 who nails it, all right, who nails the first round pick, Okay, 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:55.639 then what we'll do if it's if it's one of 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.000 those name brand guys, We're gonna put everybody's name in 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.440 a hat, okay, and they're gonna co ho the show 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.720 with me. All right, So we're got there's some incentive 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:04.159 here for you. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:04.679 Uh. 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.840 And we did this, you know, with our our fantasy 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.800 football league winner, who was where the hell was he 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.320 luxemberg Luxemburg? I see even Evan remembers that, because that's good. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.840 Evan has a mind like a steel trap over here. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.160 I have a mind like a mouse trap. So that's 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.120 the difference between the two of us here. But yeah, 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.680 I think that's worth it. We can definitely do that, right, 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.080 So we'll have somebody come on as our you know, 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.680 quote unquote a Patriots playbook fan expert, and you nailed 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.639 the first round pick. So that's what we're gonna do. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.439 So I want you to come in answering this question today. 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.439 All right, Eight five five PATS five hundred is the 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.320 toll free number, eight five five Pats five hundred, web 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.760 radio at Patriots dot com. That's the email. If you 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.320 can't pick up the phone, a call, ship off the email, 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:52.440 or just hit me up on Twitter at JR Broadcaster. Okay, 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.560 and use those three ways, and this will verify everything 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.399 that we got here. All right, But here's the question. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.280 If I'm Bill Belichick, I would draft blank? 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:05.679 Am I supposed to answer that? 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:05.880 Now? 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.720 Would you like to sure? If I'm Bill Belichick, I 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.520 would draft Jackson Smith and jigbo Okay, I knew he 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.679 was going there. I knew he's going there. Now, if 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.040 I was going receiver, I would probably go Quentin Johnson. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.399 But I'd only say that because I grew up in 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.879 Fort Worth and he's a TCU guy. So see, I'm 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.800 letting my bias get in the way. Jean, Yeah, Jeon, Yeah, 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:29.640 Well yeah, if he's there. 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.639 So this whole process, I had been a big Jay 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.479 Flowers guy. I love Za Flowers. I've read a lot 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.640 of stuff that you've written about Jay Flowers. Yeah. 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:40.920 And the Patriots have known about this guy, and they've 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.000 seen him, and they followed me. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.119 They have been They love him. They know more about 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.520 Zay Flowers than any other prospect in the draft. I 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.679 just know that because he's at the Shrine Bowl. He 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.400 was at BC's pro They were at BC's pro day, 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.480 which is right down the street, and they had him 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.600 in for an extended visit with Bill O'Brien and the 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.560 staff a couple of weeks ago. So this is a 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.440 guy that they have been in meeting rooms with in Vegas. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.639 They've been in meeting rooms here at Jillette Stadium. In 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.040 terms of guys at the top of the draft, just 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.680 by this sheer amount of time spent with with the 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.000 with the guy that there's no way they know any 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.439 more than anybody else about Zay Flowers, right, you know 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.920 that's that's their guy. So I've been a huge Zave 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.600 Flowers guy. I believe in the talent. I have no 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.760 concerns about size. I know a lot of people bring 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.399 up that he's small and slight framed. Don't care. Not 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.760 in today's NFL. This is you night train lanes, not 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.200 coming across the middle and knocking his head off anymore. Right, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.720 Like this is in the seventies. We don't play football 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.560 like that anymore. So I'm not worried about any of that. 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:46.359 The reason why I I say now Jackson Smith and 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.320 jigbo over Za is two reasons. One, I've had enough 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.840 people that I trust their opinion tell me that there's 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:59.080 really one true blue chip receiver in this draft, and 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.640 it's jsn Right, There's really only one. It's not one 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.880 of those drafts like we've had in the last couple 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.359 of years where there's you know, Jamar Chase and Jalen 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.280 Waddle and DeVante Smith or you know all they're just 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.960 receivers all over the place. In the first round. This 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.400 is a thinner receiver draft. It's a thinner receiver draft. 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.240 In the first round. Js End's the one surefire guy 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.879 that everybody has. The other thing I would say about 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.640 it is, oh, yesterday. I don't even know what made 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.000 me do it, but I just I went through some 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.880 games of Alabama in twenty twenty one when Bill O'Brien 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:38.439 first got there as the offensive coordinator, and between Mechi 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:43.720 and actually Slay Bolden, the amount of those little quick 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.600 hitter type throws with just a shifty slot receiver that 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:52.159 are still present in Bill O'Brien's offense. It is exactly 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.760 it's exactly the same as the twenty eleven Patriots with 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.320 Wes Welker. Right, it hasn't changed. It's still an offense 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:02.600 that that first and second level separation ability and that 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.800 ability to just cut on a dime and him get 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.240 open at the top of the route. That guy is 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.480 still going to catch a hundred passes in this offense. 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.760 And the guy that fits that to a t is 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.440 Jackson Smith and Jigba. So I think JSN comes into 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:21.040 this offense year one has I think he has eighty 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.960 catches as a rookie at the minimum. 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.760 Well, now is he available at fourteen? 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.119 Is he available at fourteen? And I think there's a 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:34.560 real conversation here. You have the Texans at twelve, who, 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.119 depending on what they do at two, if they do 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.760 draft CJ. Stroud, then pairing him with his college teammate 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:46.040 at twelve makes a ton of sense. Thirteen. The Packers 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.760 just jumped the Patriots in that Aaron Rodgers trade up 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:52.400 to thirteen. Most people think tackle, I think for the Packers, 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.640 or maybe edge rusher, but there are some murmurs out 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.440 there that it could have been for Jackson Smith and Jigba. 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.359 So for the Patriot it's I think that you're really 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.160 looking at either banking on that not being the case, 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.120 right and those two teams not going in that direction, 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.760 or trading up for let's to say, maybe eleven to 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.160 get him, which I think I would do. 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.600 That's a very You did that in your mock here 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:17.200 on the website. 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.479 It's a very It's rare for Belichick. He's only done 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.760 it four times, and two of those times is in 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:24.800 the same draft, so he's really only done it in 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.960 three different draft rafts. But we're not asking him to 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.000 trade up from fourteen to two. We're asking him to 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.480 trade up from fourteen to eleven, like it's it's a jump, 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:35.160 it's not if. 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:39.040 You got fourteen to eleven, do they still take JSN? 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.320 Is that what you think they should do? 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.760 It's what I think they should do. Okay, I can't 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.320 What do you think they will do? I think they 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.680 would trade if they were to trade up, even if 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:50.720 they stay at fourteen, I still think that it's either 0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:54.040 a trenches pick alignment on either side of the football, 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.920 or maybe they would trade up for a cornerback. But 0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.000 I don't trust Bill Belichick or think I shouldn't say. 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.479 I don't think Bill Belichick would trade up for a receiver. 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.840 It's just not in his DNA. Now, they've done it 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.640 in the past, like in the second round last year 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.120 for Taekwon. That's a totally different animal. Trading up in 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.480 the first round for a wide receiver. I don't see 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:17.760 them doing. I think it's ultimately a trench's pick. I 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.680 think they look at it from let's build this thing 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:25.160 from the inside out, whether it's a pass rushers. 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.920 Now you're talking my language, because if I were Bill Belichick, 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.440 I'd draft Broderick Jones. Yeah, I think Broderick Jones will 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.400 be there at fourteen. That's my thought, and I think 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.080 that we all know that if you're going to try 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.160 to make Mac Jones a viable quarterback beyond this year, 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.680 and he needs to have every chance he can get 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.280 because they screwed up last year. And I think everybody 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:51.320 can see that, and hopefully Bill can too. He needs 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.640 his backside protected and you need to have some confidence. Now. 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.840 The only trouble with Broderick Jones. You and I were 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.720 talking about this before the show. He's not quite yet 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.760 the hollished piece of the puzzle that you need on 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.360 the line. He's athletically inclined, but he's six ' four, 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.320 he's three ten, he's got long arms, he's got everything 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.520 that you need in order to play that outside that 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:17.760 tackle spot. He's still a little raw, but he's got pedigree. 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.320 He's got thet you know, he's been at Georgia, he's 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.320 won championships, he's a leader, he's everything athletically, he's the fit. 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.880 It just may take a little more development. And this 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.440 is where you hope that you made the right hire 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.480 and Adrian clam in the offensive line to coach this 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.200 guy up. Yeah, all right, so but all things being equal, 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.800 we talked about getting a guy that everybody knows and 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.800 a guy that you know you need. I'm answering that 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.480 one with Broderick Jones. I am not trading down, even 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.880 though I said, I think that might still be the 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.479 most likely way they go. I could see them trading 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.880 down to pick up another pick, and I don't know, 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.840 the top fifty to top one hundred. I could see 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.040 them doing that. So if they were able to swap 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.240 out first round picks for somebody and get an extra 0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.560 top hundred guy, I definitely could see them doing that. 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.400 By the way, Yeah right, me too. 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.680 And I think, and I still believe my overall prediction 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.520 is just that that's what's gonna happen. Yeah, that they'll 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.320 trade down, they'll get and they'll still keep a first 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.960 round pick, just lower in the round. They may still 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.640 go offensive line with another you know, type of lineman, 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.680 but they'll get an extra top one hundred guy. I 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.040 think to me, that's the top pick. However, if they 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.080 keep fourteen Broderick Jumps. 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.720 Yeah, it's it's a good pick. And I think based 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.680 off of their history very recently with Mac Jones in 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.600 twenty twenty one, I do think that they see the 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:37.200 value in at least picking when unfortunately, when they're up 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.240 this high, not going back too far right, we've seen 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.800 them trade out of the first round or trade back 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.720 like last year in the twenties because they're already in 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.480 the twenties. So at that point you're already in second 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.400 round territory on a team's board. I think at fourteen, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.840 especially with how unique the Patriots. 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.200 Board, it's a unanimous first round guy that everybody has. 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:03.000 Right, and I think that especially with how different their 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.520 board tends to be from everybody else's. 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.040 We learned that last year their their first. 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.040 Round guy being there. It seems very likely like because 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.640 maybe some other teams might not view player X as 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.520 a first round guy, but the Patriots do, so I 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.560 think that that's a really nice pick. I think the 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.440 biggest thing that you you look at with Brodrick Jones, 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.280 his ability, his athletic ability, and his ability to block 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.720 in space, whether it's like getting in front of a 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.880 screen or in the run game is tremendous. Okay, it's 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.840 absolutely tremendous. It's probably the best trade any offensive lineman 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.840 in the draft has if you're just looking at singular abilities, right, 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.720 singular things that stand out on film. His standout trait 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.880 is he blocks on the move like a tight end, 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.600 you know, and that is that's that's great. I think 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.240 one thing that you look at with that, and I 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.920 think this happens a little bit with Lineman picks is 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.640 people it's boring, right, it's a tackle you don't want 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.320 to tell it doesn't it's not flashy. 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.680 I'm all for making mech the best guy he can be, 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:09.320 especially now the subject we talked about about twenty minutes ago. Yeah, 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.800 with Aaron Rodgers coming into the division and so the 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.920 three quarterbacks Josh allen to a type of law Aaron Rodgers. 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.280 Yeah, yeah, come on, yeah, but he's it won't be 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.320 boring around here in the fall. His ability to block 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.200 on the move, I don't think will be boring to people. 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.680 And I also would say that their ability to then 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.920 incorporate that into their offense, and knowing that they have 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.120 this athletic specimen at left tackle, they can do a 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.400 lot of really fun things to his side of the field, right. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.479 They can flip flop him too, screens, yeah, you know, 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.560 stretch runs or outside runs to his side, let him combo, 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.000 you know, hit, you know, bump, a guy at the 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:48.800 line of scrimmage and then go up to the second 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.480 level and block at the second level. Like those things 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.480 are things that now Bill O'Brien can get in the 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.880 room and say, we can scheme around and could also. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.880 Be attacked eligible tight end and a lot of the 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:00.480 formations and the potential as well. 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.920 Yeah, I mean that's the forty nine ers do that 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.800 with Trent Williams, or they move him around and put 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.280 him at the point of attack. Sure, so it potentially 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.160 now the one concern that I really have with broder Jones, 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.520 I guess it's one concern that's twofold one. He only 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.879 made nineteen starts at Georgia, so he's still relatively young, 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.680 relatively raw. He's an underclassman who declared for the draft. 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.920 The big thing about the Patriots, especially at the offensive 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:28.040 line position, is they typically draft experience guys. We're talking 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.200 about senior bowlers. We're talking about five years seniors like 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:35.120 Cole Strange captains, guys that have started thirty plus games 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.960 in their collegiate career. I did some research on it, 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.160 and then I had to go back aways to find 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.680 the last lineman that they took early that didn't go 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:48.480 to the Senior Bowl. I think every if I'm not mistaken, 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.280 every first round lineman they've ever drafted was a Senior 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.920 Bowl guy. Wow, So that that's rare. Now, with that 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.240 being said, they don't get an opportunity to draft guys 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.200 like Broder Jones because they're not up at fourteen too often. 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.200 Let me ask you a different question then, all right, 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.440 just because since you brought it up, what lineman are 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.640 we talking about? We're in the Senior Bowl that would 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:10.800 be takable at fourteen. 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.000 I would say that the one guy that has really 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.759 generated a ton of buzz as we get into the 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.960 deep process here is Darnel Right from Tennessee, who was 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.960 fantastic in the fall season, especially against good competition. I 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.360 think there is nobody better against Will Anderson from Alabama 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.640 than Darnell Right last year. He was fantastic in that 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.719 game against Alabama. Goes to the Senior Bowl, has a 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.120 great Senior Bowl week, had a great combine. You know, 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.360 this has checked all the boxes throughout the process. But 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.160 he's a right tackle, so I think you had do 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.600 I I don't necessarily care too much about that, but 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.120 I do think that that's a factor that you do 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:57.160 have to think about is the right tackle? Is that 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.680 still worth it now? I think nowadays and today NFL, 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.040 these pass rushers line up all over the place. They 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.360 flip flop guy like von Miller. He rushes off the 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.880 right side right. He likes to stand up over the 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.279 right tackle and rush off that side more than the backside. 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.920 So they got to block the same guys. I think 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.000 there's some element to that. But he's a people moving 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:23.280 right tackle, great play strength, great balance, great core strength 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.279 and anchor and pass protection. And he's pretty agile and 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.920 athletic for his size. So he fits the bill to 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.680 a t as a Patriots right tackle. But I think 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.560 that you do have to have a conversation of it's 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.080 not left tackle, right right, and do we still care 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.040 about that correct right? 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.160 Let me ask you one more hypothetic Okay, just because 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:45.759 the rumor might be at least has been the last 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.360 twenty forty hours, have seen that a guy likes Skearansky 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.680 Northwestern might slip to fourteen. If it does, do you 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:54.920 take him short arms and all, which is what he 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.239 allegedly has. I'm picturing a Tyronosaurus rex and purple. Is that, 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.319 like you know, Barney the dinosaur running around. You know, 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.960 that's Skeronsky from Northwestern a little bit. Do they take 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.680 him over Jones if he's available. 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.720 I can't say no. Do they, like, in my mind 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:18.160 predicting Bill. I can't say no because they have not. Historically, 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.560 they have not been a team that has favored arm 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.080 length as much as other teams. I don't think that 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:28.839 they historically think that it's a big factor and as 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.919 big of a factor as everybody else does. Dante Scarnekia 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.480 famously has come out and said that arm length is hogwashed, right, 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:41.120 that is, it doesn't matter. So in that respect, I 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.880 can't roll it out. Scarnsky is the best tackle or 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.200 the best lineman. I should say he's the best lineman 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.600 in the draft. And I think there's something to be 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:52.120 said for the fact that wherever he plays as a pro, 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.440 he's gonna make the line better. Whether it's a guard 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.000 or it's a tackle, your line got better because he's 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:00.840 in your room, which you slice. 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:02.880 And that may be ultimately what they decide to do, 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.800 because we know they need that improvement overrle. 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:10.000 The problem is is that with Cole Strange here, with 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.719 Mike Onwenu here, and obviously Scronsky is not a center. 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.880 But with David Andrews here as well, where are you 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:21.279 playing him as a rookie And are you playing him 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.160 on the outside as a rookie just to move him 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:28.920 inside long term? And is that really worth it? Knowing 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:33.279 that his long term view is probably a guard. Personally, 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.000 and I know a lot of people have some strong 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.640 opinions about this, Personally, I would let him fail at 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.319 tackle first and then move him in if he can't 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.320 hang out and handle it right, because I the film 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.600 is so good at tackle at Northwestern, and that's that's 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:51.560 a conference where he's facing legitimate pass rushers. It's not 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.880 like he's going up against you guys that are going 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.600 to be car salesman and accountants in a couple of weeks. Right, 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.840 He's going up against Lucas van Ness and the Ohio 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.880 State guys and the Michigan guys. You know, I watched 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:09.280 his film from twenty one against Hutchinson, held up fine 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.840 against Hutchinson, who's longer, and you know has all that 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.160 that was the first round, top five caliber player we're 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:18.880 supposed to did what he's supposed to do. So how 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.080 much am I gonna stress about it, not a ton. 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:23.920 The only reason why I don't want them to take 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.080 Scaronski is because I know everybody else is gonna lose 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.000 their mind. So they took another guard like I don't. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.360 I don't want to deal with the backlash right because 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:34.080 it's it's short sighted and and whatnot. It's gonna annoy me. 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.000 But in terms of uh in general, am I afraid 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:37.920 of taking Scaransky? 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:38.080 No? 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:39.000 Uh? 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.440 Man, do you want to make a prediction if you 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:41.880 were Bill Belichick, you would draft? 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:42.600 Nope? 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.719 You know he's shaking his head. Now, Okay, I just 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.520 thought i'd offer you the opportunity. Just appreciate it. But 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.719 I rather just keep my mouth closed and not proven 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.719 them stupid. That's okay, Well, we're all proven ourselves stupid here. 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.200 That's the ultimate, uh, the ultimate challenge, just to find 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.960 out who's less stupider than others. All right, eight five 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.839 five patch, five hundred. Let's get to the phones. Let's 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.759 find out what you would do, and we're gonna lead 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.120 it off with our buddy Patty and agawan. Patty. 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:12.520 Hello, good afternoon, gentlemen. What's going on? 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.960 We're good, We're good, We're good. So if you were 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.520 Bill Belichick, you would draft. 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.160 Flowers number fourteen. I don't care. I'm not I'm not 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.160 dropping down to take them. I'll tell you what, man, 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.680 I'm I'm a little bit worried that the Packers moved 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.400 up to thirteen because I think they're going to be 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.839 looking to get a pass catcher themselves. And here's kind 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.640 of where I'm coming from. John. We heard when when 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.440 the media got the opportunity to speak to all the 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.840 coaches minus Belichick the first phase of the OTAs, what 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.799 did Gerrod Mayo say? He said, we feel like our 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.719 defense has been good the last two years. And to me, 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.719 I mean, if if I'm smart, if I'm listening to 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:56.920 my other coaches, we all know. We all saw it 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.600 at fans as media that the offense suck last year. 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.560 And I mean part of that was coaching, but a 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.319 lot of that too was getting schematics and guys that 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.440 can't separate, and we need that guy. I think that 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.759 was the one fisting piece this offense because we do 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.480 have decent skill players, we just don't have that guy 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.520 that can separate on all three levels. I know Evan 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.879 is on board with where I'm coming from, too. 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.800 He'd just do it with a different guy I love. Yeah, 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.960 I've tried not to be too heavy. 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.400 I've already pounded the table enough for him. 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.880 And I mean, at least from my perspective, if I 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.439 was Bill Belichick, that's what I would do. I don't 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:40.080 think that's what. 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:40.520 He's gonna do. 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.520 What I think he's gonna do is just do something 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.000 completely outside the box. But I think if he listens 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.960 to the guy like his owner, his offensive coaches, and 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.960 they say, hey, you know, we need to get somebody 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.680 in here, Well, look at look at the teams like Buffalo, 0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.319 seems like Cincinnati, seems like Miami that went out and 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.319 got the guy, whether it was through the draft or 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.759 through trade or through free agency or whatever. Now we 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.239 if we want to be a good, biable offense to 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.520 compete with these teams in the AFC, well not just 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:16.560 the AFC, in our division, we need to get that guy. 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:17.480 It's a fair point. 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.759 Yeah, Listen, there's no wrong answer here. 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.080 I mean we're on the same page when it comes 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.759 to a receiver like that, That, to me is is 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.160 really the missing ingredient. I think with line play, I'm 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:33.960 I'm with you, John, that there's line play is important 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.719 and certainly with a quarterback like Mac Jones who's not 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:40.239 a mobile guy, keeping him protected is really important. I 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.279 just have more of the school thought that I feel like, 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.600 especially with their history of doing a really good job 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.239 of evaluating and scouting lineman a little bit later in 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:54.080 the draft, that I'm confident that Bill and the Bills, 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.240 I should say plural, now, the Bills and Adrian Clem, 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.879 and I would say, Dante, you can go in there 0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.920 and find them a third round tackle that can play 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.480 the position and can hold its down. And I think 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.920 just as a whole, you look at Bill O'Brien being 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.719 back in Adrian Clem now being an offensive line coach 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:17.000 here schematically and in terms of being a five man 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.719 unit in Unison, it's gonna be a lot cleaner of 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.440 an operation up front, and I think that that's gonna 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.040 make a lot of dividends as well. I don't necessarily 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:32.120 know if talent was the issue on the line last year. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.319 I think coaching not only from a mental standpoint, but 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:42.719 also coaching technique, correcting flaws on film, all that kind 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.640 of stuff. I think that stuff was also a big 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.839 detriment to that line as well. So I think they 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.720 are still going to add some tackles at some point, 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.919 There's no doubt about that. And I would still take 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.239 I'd still take one in the top one hundred if 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.120 it's not in the first round with one of their 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.840 second or third round picks. But I look at receivers. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.480 Is the most explosive receiver in the draft. He's somebody 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.120 that There was a play that they were just showing 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:10.720 on NFL Network where they actually ran a trick play 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.200 and he was supposed to throw it, but the receiver 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:15.960 that he's supposed to throw it to on the double 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.719 pass was covered, so he just ran for the touchdown. 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.160 He just tucked the ball and he just ran for 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.880 it himself. You know, he turned the corner and ran 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.840 it thirty five yards for a touchdown. It just on 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.359 a really what was a broken play. And those are 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.600 the types of plays that they just don't have anybody 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.000 that can do that. They don't have anybody that can 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.560 house the football from anywhere on the field. He can 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.080 take it to the house the second he steps on 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.680 the football field, and they just don't have that element 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.760 to their offense, and he would bring it. So I'm 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.760 with you, Patty. I've been saying Zay for four months 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.520 and if he ends up being the pick, then I'd 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:53.160 be ecstatic. 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:55.840 And like you said too, Evan, I mean there's a 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.680 lot of smoke there, and like just the later maybe 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.879 not at eight round guy, but like a day two guy, 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.120 guy that I've been harping on a lot too, Lake Freeland. 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.799 I mean, the guy gave up one sack and in 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.359 the last three years and I'm looking, I'm looking at 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:16.440 it right now, that's I mean, that's thirty over thirty 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:19.640 seven games, he gave up one sack, you know, and 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.880 over eight hundred, well it looks like over a thousand, 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.359 you know, pass blocking snaps. 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:27.440 You know, you coach that guy. 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.040 Up, you get him in the program, you get him 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.520 to get him to uff his plate strength. And yeah, 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.320 I mean, I know you're only going to carry three 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:39.200 three tackles into each game, but maybe you make like 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.640 one of one of the swing guys in active a 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.879 couple of games and get him in if you draft them, 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:46.920 to get him a little bit of experience this year, 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.080 and it becomes your starting right tackle next year. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:49.640 Yeah. 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.840 Yeah, you mentioned earlier, John, we were talking about senior 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.279 Bowl guys. Bike Freeland was a senior Bowl guy wasn't 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.080 really great down there, to be honest with you. In 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.680 the film that I saw at Mobile Mobile that BYU 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.360 offense like pass protecting on an island in like true 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.640 pass sets. They're not a ton of them on the 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:11.120 film for him. But I would say that the comp 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:15.040 is Nate Solder. He's a skyscraper. He's six foot eight, 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.040 three hundred and five pounds, three hundred and ten pounds, 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.360 and he is a converted tight end. So he's literally 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.120 Nate Solder. The thing that's wrong, you know, the flaw 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.120 or the red flag on his on his film is 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.479 just like Nate Solder. He might actually be too tall 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.200 to play tackle because he can't sink in leverage blocks, right. 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.440 He can't get underneath people because he's so tall. So 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.480 it's the Senior Bowl a big problem with him. In 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.000 the pass rushing drills that they were doing down there. 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.480 Maybe he could just you know, like the quarterback could 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.520 just like hide behind him, you know, that would keep 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:49.120 him pro rushing. 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.359 Right, guys are gonna be able to can't see him, 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.799 how can you tackle him? I can already tell you 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.800 right now that we're gonna get out there at training 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.640 camp and Blake freelin in one on one is gonna 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.760 go gainst Josh and joshu j is gonna smoke him 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.560 off the ball right because o Ja has got that 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.680 explosiveness and that bend right. He can get underneath guys 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.560 and bend underneath and turn the corner and really just 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.640 can't get down there. He's on the tenth floor and 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.200 these pass rushers like an ouch can get down there 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.480 right onto the first floor, and he just can't get 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.719 underneath it. But he's one of those guys that you're 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.680 not gonna go through him. He's got a firm stout anchor. 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.360 He's a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker. 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.480 He can move people off the line of scrimmage, and 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.279 he's got tackle feet. He's got the athleticism in the 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.240 range to play pass protection to tackle. He's just gonna 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:39.160 have to work around his height. 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.800 Eight five five pats five hundred Sean and Vancouver. Hey Sean, 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:44.640 you're in the playbook. 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.279 Hey guys. Before I get to answer your question, I 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:52.080 just wanted to bring up one other thing of you know. Recently, 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.880 Bill O'Brien said we got a clean slate, which is, 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:59.560 you know, a good concept but I'm also a believer 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.839 that you need to learn from history. I mean, those 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.440 who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it. 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:10.839 So I think you got to, you know, recognize your 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:13.560 mistakes and make sure you don't do them again. Now, 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:19.440 one that we've talked to for death is basically having 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:26.360 the people in position to coach that didn't have the experience, 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:27.240 and that was a mistake. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:27.880 We know that. 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.560 But another one that doesn't get as much play is 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:37.920 changing an offense philosophy, specifically blocking, you know, for the 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:42.319 offensive line, to something that you don't have experience in doing, 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.319 and you don't have the people to do it, and 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.440 you don't have the coaches to coach it. So that 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.680 was that was a huge mistake that caused other issues 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.800 and made the draft last year a bit strange because 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.359 I'll point it out this way. You know you're going 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.080 to a zone blocking scheme. Now you think, oh, we 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.680 don't have the offensive lineman. Even though the offensive line 0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:04.880 was great in twenty twenty one, we don't have the 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.400 right type of players. So let's not re sign Carris 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.120 and let's trade Jack Mason. Now you have no guards 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.320 and you've created your biggest need and you're drafting strange 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.120 in the first round because out of desperation you trade 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:19.640 down and they, oh, we better get this guy or something. 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.680 I don't know what it is, but it was disappointing 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.400 and I don't want to see that again. So I 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.920 want to make sure that this team, you know, it, 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.520 does their job, because if it is, that philosophy is 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.839 do your job. And you pointed out earlier a player 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.920 alike in Warren's he's a perfect example of doing your 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.920 job because you wouldn't ask him or he wouldn't go 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.399 off brand and just fly downfield to try and sack 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.640 the quarterback. He's at the line, he's holding it up, 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.560 he's allowing other players to make plays, and that was 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.840 his job and he did it great. And you know, 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.520 when you ask coaches to or when they're put in 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.399 position to do things they don't know how to do, 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.840 that's not allowing them to do their job. So that 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:02.800 that was problematic. Now your question. 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:07.879 If I'm Bill Belichick, I would draft yeah who, Yeah, this. 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.799 Is your question, right, So I like your pick JS 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:15.640 and and uh, you know the and the tackle you 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.080 know those I'd be happy with that I don't think 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:20.239 will be there and I'm thinkings Alves will be there. 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.920 I actually see the Patriots trading down, stay with Jacksonville 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.760 and you know, going down to the Jags of twenty 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:33.399 four and then getting their second round at was at 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:38.040 fifty six, right, taking those those picks for fourteen and 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.399 still getting Zay Flowers. That's I guess it's a bit 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.440 of a hope and rainbow, but that's that's what I'd 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.480 hope to see, So save Flowers. I agree with Patty. 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:48.080 That's my pick. 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.880 Okay, So which one then are you gonna you? If 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:52.800 you're Bill Belichick, do you trade down or are you 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.240 taking Zay Flowers? 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:55.200 Both? 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.520 Oh? So a? So when fourteen Zay will make it 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.640 to twenty four? Right? So with fourteen, your inclination is 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:03.760 to trade down? Correct? 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.719 Yeah, okay unless something crazy happens and one of the 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:11.560 major guys falls like Gonzalez. But I don't think that's happening, 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.520 all right, or even. 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.319 All right, So I'm putting you down, then, Sean is 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:19.000 if I were Bill Belichick, I'd trade down. It's a 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.600 good bet, okay, Which is there's nothing wrong with that, Okay, 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.320 there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I actually believe, 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.560 I actually believe too that that will happen. I don't 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:31.959 think they're gonna, you know, I don't know where they'll 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:33.439 trade down, which is why, you know, if they could 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.600 trade down and get Zay Flowers, I think everybody would 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:38.239 probably be pretty happy with that. I'm not sure that's 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.279 the case, so I just stayed with a pick. If 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.600 they're at fourteen and they selected fourteen, I'm going with 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.600 the pick. My pick was Broderi Jones, So there you go. 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:46.480 I like that. 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:47.200 I'm happy with that. 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:51.480 Yeah, I would be if they're going to trade, try 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:55.200 to try to really thread the needle here and trade 0:51:55.239 --> 0:52:00.600 down and take Zaye and get both things accomplished. I 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.360 don't think you can go lower than twenty, Okay, I 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.120 think that there's two teams. Nineteen is Tampa, right, so you. 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.759 Gotta find will and trade partners in that range. 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:15.160 And twenty is Seattle, so who's desperate to get up. 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:20.160 Let's say, for argument's sake, that there's still a quarterback 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.239 that team's value that's on the board, like a Will 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.160 Levis or maybe a hen and Hooker. 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.560 Maybe that because he Levis is going number one. 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:35.879 Maybe maybe that is a Maybe that's that's a way 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:41.919 that that you can entice teams to trade to make 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.840 that trade, or maybe a team uses you, which has 0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:50.319 happened in the past as as a lily pad. Right 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.120 there there, they say they go Tampa goes from nineteen 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:58.440 to fourteen tomorrow afternoon, and then during the draft, once 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.120 that quarterback starts, they go from fourteen to nine, right 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.440 or something like that, and that's when they take the quarterback. 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:07.880 So in my small dream scenario, I also see the 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.160 Patriots moving up in the second round and getting Dwan 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:11.960 Jones right tackle. 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.040 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think the trade down and 0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:15.719 then the move up in the second round is a 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:20.040 good strategy. I just would be really wary of trading 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.719 too far down that now you've lost all of the 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:27.280 blue chip talent. Right now you're picking somebody that's really 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.120 in that second or third tier. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.480 That's been made a very good point earlier Sean that 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.040 once you start getting into the twenties, you're looking at 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:35.920 guys that are in the second round on a lot 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:39.720 of teams boards, right, So if you want the blue chipper, 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.439 you really need to be going in the upper half 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:43.239 of the first round. 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:47.560 Yeah, yeah, I just think there's too many teams between 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.799 fourteen and twenty four that would love to have Zay 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.120 Flowers on their team, or would be willing to trade 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.880 up to get say Flowers that come ahead of you. 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.360 You know, I look at teams like Buffalo and Kansas 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.560 City picking towards the back end of the round. I 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.160 could easily see the Chiefs who love to trade up. 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.319 They traded up from Mahomes. They traded up last year 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.800 from McDuffie to the Patriots pick at twenty one, the 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.440 Chiefs trading up from thirty one to twenty three. The 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.040 steal z A Flowers one pick ahead of you is 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.560 that's my That's a nightmare for me personally, right like that, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:22.880 those are the things that you risk. I think if 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:23.799 you go too far down. 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:28.360 Well, the Seahawks would they trade up twenty and say 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:32.320 of their second round fifty two to the Patriots fourteen? 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:34.759 Yeah, I don't know if you're getting the second round pick. 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:37.680 Yeah, you might have to give something else. They might 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:38.799 have give up a third Yeah. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.399 I don't know if you're getting the second round pick 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.200 unless you're really trading, like your scenario to go from 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.520 fourteen to twenty four, I could see that nitting a 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.440 second round pick, because it's a ten picking dropworks. But 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.759 if you're going four or five picks down now we're 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.200 talking about nineteen or twenty, I don't know if you're 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.279 gonna get a second round or out of that. That 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.440 might be a third or third and a fourth or 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:00.279 just a third. 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.719 Right, yeah and the third. Yeah, I guess they could 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.120 still do that, I mean and get like eighty three. 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:09.000 That would make sense. 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:13.040 Yeah. Last year there was a trade between I think 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:16.040 it was the Saints when they picked a Lava. They 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.279 went from sixteen to eleven. I believe is the mat 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.560 is the trade if I remember correctly, and they got 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.400 a third in the fourth. The team that they traded 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.840 with got a third in the fourth, So that was 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.160 five spots in the first round. That's you a third 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:33.440 and the fourth. So I think trading down from fourteen 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.000 to twenty, I think that's a framework that you can 0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:36.719 kind of count on. 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:44.920 Eight five, five, pats, five hundred. Moving along. Raj in Wakefield, Hey, Raj, Hey, Hi, guys, 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.960 good good good, all right. So if I'm Bill Belichick, 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:49.359 I would draft. 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:56.880 Whom Yeah, nice ball by even yes, I just want 0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:00.520 to I know that even hits man, I know what 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:04.479 I'm going to say, but in this draft, I think 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:08.480 there are only two players who most of the NFL 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:12.279 teams say that they have the red jacket or the 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:16.200 gold jacket standard of talent, and those are Jalen Carter 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:20.360 and B John Robinson. Well, I think if they stay 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.680 at number fourteen, I think then the check is going 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:29.279 to take B John Robinson. Ideally they ideally Philadelphia. I 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.359 hope Philadelphia or Atlanta will take them, and Patriots will 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:35.120 trade back, and they may trade they may take a 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:38.600 edge rusher and in the second round they will up 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.680 and take the running back on Donell Washington. That's what 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:46.520 ideally it might happen. But if if it's fourteen, if 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:47.960 B John is staring at. 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:51.319 Them, they're taking they will take him. 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.920 Because they will say, we don't have blue chip players, 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:54.759 Let's take him and we'll figure it out. 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:54.920 How. 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.399 Yeah, he'd be a good thing to have to figure out. 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.600 All we all say that we do. We all say 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.200 that they are never taking the best talented place. When 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.759 the best talented player faulty, how to take it right. 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:10.080 It does not matter how which position is. They will 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.160 figure it out how to use it. That's not enough. 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:13.799 The betist for twenty years. 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.680 Okay, okay, thoughts. 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.320 When I'm driving home, Matt, make sure I don't go 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:21.320 over the Tobin bridge. 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.600 Hypopectically, if you think through it, you say that this 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:29.920 wide receiver class is not even good to go in 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.280 first on last year's draft? Yeah, yes, Why do you 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:35.480 think we have to take up? Why do you think 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:36.960 we need to eat and take the vibray. 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:43.080 I don't think that this draft has the plethora of 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.440 talent at receiver that some of the other drafts have. 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.960 But I personally feel, especially with jasm but also is 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.720 say Flowers that both those guys go in the first 0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:54.720 round of most drafts, right that That's that's sort of 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.160 my outlook on it. So I think we're getting a 0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:58.280 little bit too technically. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:03.080 I agree, but this running back usually used to go 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:06.840 in top five pigs right in every in maybe three 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:07.400 years back. 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:13.440 Yeah, college, then what's wrong. 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.920 In taking him at fifteen fourteen? 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.640 In terms of talent in this draft there there's nothing 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:22.920 necessarily wrong with it. There's a whole rabbit hole of 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:26.160 positional value that we can go down a little bit 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:30.080 that it is important to talk about. I really feel 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:34.680 strongly that the running back position in today's NFL is 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:39.040 as devalued as any position in football. 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:42.320 It's a position the Patriots itself. 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:45.320 The Patriots have did that system ten years back and 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.880 now part up approach. 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:51.800 I just think that, on top of the fact that 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.000 running back is a is a position that you really 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.520 second guest nowadays, whether or not it truly moves the 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.760 needle for you, it truly makes you a much better 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.280 football team. They have a really good running back already 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.040 like here, so I. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.880 Know they have it. But if you think from the 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:15.520 philosophy of football things, they're like to have a good defense, 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:20.400 good offense with a good defense, good special teams, mistake 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:24.080 three quarterback, ball control game. That's what they believe in. 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.240 Right mm hm does that? 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.680 Does that quarterback who is mistake free, who does not 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:35.160 throw interceptions, do dumb mistake? They have a good defense, 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:37.680 they are having they will be hopefully having a good 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.800 special teams after two years of disaster. And now it's 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.120 a ball control game. If you have two running backs, 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:47.920 take the series by series control the ball control the game. 0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:49.680 Does that. 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:51.080 The game is the fourth quarter. 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:56.800 It does not be does that win or anything? 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.360 But they can win games. They were they are winning games. 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.560 They were winning like this following this pass. 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.280 I don't know if that wins games like it used 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.320 to ten years ago. I just don't know if it does. 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.520 I feel like I know, but but but that's what 1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:14.400 he believes in and he built his entire. 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.920 You're loving this because this is your guy. So you're 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.200 just you're letting, you're letting. 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.360 Through his philosophy. Still, he's the headport. 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.240 We cannot if that let me pretty this way because 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.880 I I I I try to be as polite as 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.160 I possibly can to to to the head coach of 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:36.120 the team, not to you. I I'm always. 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:40.000 I hope I should have brought this yesterday on, but 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.720 I did not want chance to join that college today. 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:47.440 Or no, that's okay, Yeah, no, it's okay. I I 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.320 say this with all due respect to Bill's resume and 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:54.280 his success. If he drafts John Robinson at fourteen, I'm 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:56.360 going to start thinking the game has passed him by 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:02.080 that that that's a twenty years ago philosophy, that we 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:05.200 are going to win the game with ball control and 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:09.080 time of possession and no turnovers and like that. 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:12.680 I und I understand your appointment, but don't you think 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:17.480 the gest that the Sepens will go up with Bijon. 1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:23.560 I just don't know how that. I don't know how 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:28.760 drafting Bijon puts you any any closer to to to 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:32.440 competing with the team like Buffalo. You're gonna go into 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:34.440 Buffalo and you're gonna try to run the ball forty 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:38.320 times and win the game seventeen fourteen, and you're going 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.040 to bank on your defense to be able to hold 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:42.560 Josh Allen to fourteen points. Like, even if you only 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:45.560 give last year when they went into Buffalo, Josh Allen, 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.840 he didn't have very many possessions because the kickoff returns right, 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:50.640 he still went right down the field on you when 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:53.439 he had the opportunity to. So even if you only 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:56.080 give him six drives, eight drives, he's still gonna. 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:57.080 Score on four of them. Yeah. 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:03.040 Yeah, I I an agreement that this team is currently 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.840 constructed cannot get into a shootout with Buffalo. They're not 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.240 going to win forty one to thirty eight against the Bills. 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.920 They have to be they have to build up their offense, 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.240 though to the point where they can win a game 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:20.880 into the high twenties, low thirties. They can't. They have 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:24.280 not won a game in the mac Jones era, scoring 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:29.080 more than twenty five four points they have to think about. 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:30.040 By the way, there's nuts. 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.240 Oh, for any game where the opponent scores more than 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:34.400 twenty four points. 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:34.640 They've lost. 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:38.280 They've lost at some point in time. You got to 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.040 be able to win a game thirty to twenty seven. 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:42.080 You just have to be able to do it. And 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:44.360 I just don't know if the running back gets you 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:47.200 over that hump. It's just tough, Raj. I love you 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:48.320 like a brother. Appreciate it. 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:49.240 I appreciate the call. 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:50.320 That was a good back and forth. 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:53.800 Absolutely, it was great. And I thought hecause there's definitely 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:57.920 a sound argument. It was not cousin, Raj, however, So there's. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:00.920 Definitely there's definitely a sound argument for So I'm not 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:05.120 coming at it and saying it's it's totally ridiculous, right, 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:07.440 Like there is legitimate. 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.959 Yeah, and there is an argument to make for Bejon if. 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:16.200 I what I look at it as is, look, they're 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.280 gonna have better coaching than this, And I get that, 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:22.400 but look at Christian McCaffrey, look at Saquon bar Like, 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:26.040 look at those players early on. Look at Christian McCaffrey 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:30.400 and Carolina Christian McCaffrey was the number one pick and 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:35.280 everybody's fantasy draft for five to whatever however long he 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:37.800 was in Carolina, right, five six years, whatever it was. 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:42.240 They were a terrible team. He didn't move the needle. 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:45.120 He was the most productive player in the league from 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:48.160 a statistical perspective. That's why he's going number one in 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.000 fantasy football drafts. And they they stunk. 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:56.880 Yeah, hard to argue, right, hard to argue eight five 1:03:57.080 --> 1:04:00.120 five pats five hundred. That's the toll. Free to all 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.840 of a number at JR Broadcaster on Twitter if you 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:04.919 got some thoughts, or you can send me the old 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:09.960 fashioned email web radio at Patriots dot Com. Jody in 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.720 Georgia up next, Hey Jody, Hey, how you doing great? 1:04:13.760 --> 1:04:16.200 So if I'm Bill Belichick, I would draft. 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:21.480 Whom well I really want would probably not be there, 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:24.800 Christian Gondalas. But it's got to be a cornerback. I mean, 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:27.440 we got Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen and Tua with all 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:30.640 these weapons, we need somebody to lock them down. So 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:33.280 I think we need to get a high end cornerback 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:35.560 to kind of be able to trail some of these. 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:36.960 Guys longer linked here. 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:41.160 Maybe like Banks or Joey Porter, something along those lines. 1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:42.840 Would you check which one would you take? 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:48.600 Personally? I would probably do Banks, but I don't know 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:51.080 if the consensus is Joey Porter's probably you know, a 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.920 little bit higher on people's boards, but Banks is linked 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:56.320 and you know, athletic ability. I think it's got a 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:56.920 lot outside. 1:04:57.000 --> 1:04:58.000 What do you think about Banks? 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:02.240 Love Banks, Yeah, he's he's he's a great player. I 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:04.200 think that you have to probably at this point take 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.360 him at fourteen. I don't know if you can trade 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:08.919 down for him anymore. I thought maybe if you'd asked 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:11.080 me a month ago, I would have probably thrown out 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:13.600 of trade down scenario and still get Banks, like at 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.479 twenty or twenty one or something like that. I don't 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:20.760 know if you can do that anymore. He's really consensus 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.320 corner three or four in this draft at this point. 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:24.680 I think some teams are going to have him ahead 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:27.440 of Joey Porter junior. He's the most athletic corner in 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:30.680 the draft. He's ultra physical at the line of scrimmage 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:33.760 and pressman. He can mirror receivers down the field. He 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:36.040 doesn't quite have the ball production, you know, the interceptions, 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:38.360 pass breakups things like that that other guys have. But 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:41.480 you watch him stay glued to a receiver. You look 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:46.080 at the athletic profile, the size, the physicality. He's a baller, 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:50.000 you know, he's a really really good football player. I 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:51.840 just look at him and I see a little bit 1:05:51.840 --> 1:05:54.840 of Marlin Humphrey on Baltimore like kind of that type 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:58.160 of player. I love Banks. I mean, I think it's 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.120 a slam dunk pick. And they're such a great argument 1:06:01.160 --> 1:06:03.880 there too about how many more times are we going 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:07.800 to watch the Patriots get destroyed by Stefan Diggs when 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:11.600 they play Buffalo. Right, they just without that Gilmour, without 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:15.080 that revis without that tie law, the defense isn't the same. 1:06:15.120 --> 1:06:17.320 It's a good defense, but it's not an elite defense 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.920 without that number one corner the way that they play defense. 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.920 So and they've already done the J. C. Jackson experiment 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:25.160 where they try to take somebody who they they thought 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:27.960 could be number one but wasn't quite that guy, you 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:28.439 know what I mean. 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:30.280 So, yeah, and I think they have a couple of 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.440 those guys now with the Joneses. Right, you know that 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:36.439 those three guys two through four, that's a great depth 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:40.360 chart one through three, you're still thinking, all right, they 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.920 could probably use the alpha right in that room. So 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:47.080 I love banks. I like taking a corner too. That's 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:50.360 I think this is probably more an indictment on where 1:06:50.360 --> 1:06:52.840 they are right now. John, that we can say tackle, 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:55.200 we can say receiver, we can say corner, and be 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:59.040 right and say yeah, sure, go for it. They all 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:00.560 make sense and that that that's kind of where the 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:01.720 roster is at this point. 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.760 Yeah, in all honesty, the guy that I was thinking 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.720 if trade down was gonna happen, which I said earlier, 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.920 I still think it might happen. I would think they 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.720 would trade down, and depending on where they traded, somewhere 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:15.880 in that twenty probably the twenty four area. Joey Porter's 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:17.560 the guy I thought they would probably try to snag. 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:22.520 Yeah, he's somebody that's really impressive at the combine when 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:24.440 we got to talk to all the players at the 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:30.800 podiums in Indy. He's just a really polished, calm, cool, collected, 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.240 confident kid, like you can just tell that he just 1:07:33.760 --> 1:07:35.640 he knows he's going to be playing on Sundays for 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.360 a long time. It's not too big for him. He's 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:41.400 not worried about where he's going. He's not worried about 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:43.120 his dad. You know, I think that was a big 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:45.280 question a lot of people were asking him, especially as 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:48.040 it relates to the Patriots. We know that Joey Porter 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:50.640 Senior does not really like Bill Belichick in the New 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:52.960 England Patriots, right, So how much is that going to 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:56.360 be a factor? Would they take him? With that history? 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.240 I can't imagine has anything to do with it. 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.200 I don't think it does, because, you know, with a 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:02.760 Santa Samuel Jr. I think maybe he'd had a little 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:04.959 bit of something to do with it. But Joey Porter 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.760 Senior never played for the Patriots and doesn't have any 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:10.480 real bad blood with Bill. It's just a rivalry, right, 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:14.080 It's all it was. So I think that he's a 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:17.280 really interesting player for them. But the one thing I 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:21.280 would just say with him is I don't think that 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:24.800 he's matchup proof. He's one of these longer corners. He 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:26.519 takes a little bit of time to get up to 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:29.400 top speed. Like, I don't think you're gonna you're gonna 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:33.599 have him shadow Tyreek Hill, right, Like, he's not gonna 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:35.519 run with a guy like Tyrak Hill. Now you already 1:08:35.520 --> 1:08:38.040 have Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones to run with Tyreek Hill. 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:40.360 So maybe you don't need that type of corner. But 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:43.400 I think more so than maybe like a Gonzales or 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:46.599 a Banks or a Witherspoon, Joey Porter Junior is a 1:08:46.640 --> 1:08:51.200 true big matchup outside corner, Like you're gonna have to 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.200 pick your spots a little bit more with him, I 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:56.320 think than with some of these other guys. So that's 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.240 something to consider with him, is is there enough of 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:01.040 those big receipt is that you're going to go up 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:04.599 against it's worth it to Okay, you play the Bengals 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.600 and he's got T Higgins, great matchup for him, But 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:11.120 when you play Miami, where who is he guarding? He's 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:14.920 not guarding Wattle and Hill. I know that, So that 1:09:14.920 --> 1:09:17.479 that's gonna be one thing that I that they why 1:09:17.600 --> 1:09:19.680 I've kind of come to the conclusion that they might 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:21.679 have Banks ahead of him on the board. 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:24.920 Okay, Jody, what else you got? 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:28.360 The only other thing I was I was kind of 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:31.559 curious and somebody kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier. 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:35.120 I was really concerned with the pick swap with the 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.160 Jets and the Packers, just because you know, obviously I 1:09:38.200 --> 1:09:40.479 just thought, I want a cornerback, but you know, receivers 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:42.080 always a big hope. I just don't have too many 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:46.000 high hopes for that. Yeah, but with Green Bay's up 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:47.519 in the front, I know they got two young guys 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:51.840 and Dobbs and Christians, but I didn't know if if 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.639 that kind of like snubs any chances of us possibly 1:09:54.640 --> 1:09:55.679 getting one of those guys. 1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:58.120 Yeah, we we. We kind of touched on briefly early 1:09:58.200 --> 1:10:00.280 when we talked about the whole Aaron Rodgers, you know, 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:02.240 to the Jets deal and how it could affect the 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:04.880 Patriots and their draft, and I would agree with you, 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:08.960 it could potentially, Uh, it could potentially alter some of 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:09.439 the thinking. 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:14.599 Yeah, yeah, I think Green Bay. Unfortunately, Green Bay's needs 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:16.679 are pretty similar to your needs. I think the Jets 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.439 though too. The Jets have been written all tackle written 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:21.600 all over their forehead, like they've been all over the 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.880 tackles in this draft, and they're gonna I think they're 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:26.800 gonna go tackle in the first round. So they were 1:10:26.840 --> 1:10:29.040 already a team ahead of you that was probably gonna 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:31.280 take one of those tackles that maybe that you wanted. 1:10:31.600 --> 1:10:33.879 So I don't think it necessarily changes much of that position. 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.920 I think the positions it changes is potentially receiver. But 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:39.639 the Packers, I don't think they've ever taken a first 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:42.760 round receiver in like the last like thirty years or 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:45.679 something crazy like that. Really, Christian Watson was an early 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:48.920 second round pick. Yeah, so that is a little one, 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:51.519 little caveat to that. But that was a big thing 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:53.760 for Aaron Rodgers. I know when they you know, some 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.040 of this stuff came out about what his big issue 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:58.760 what the Packers was in their front office was that 1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:00.640 they didn't really add the offense. It's a talent at 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:03.720 the top of the draft that he wanted. So are 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:06.280 they now going to go against that and take the 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:08.799 year that they traded Aaron Rodgers the year they finally 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:11.519 take a receiver in the in the first round. That's 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:14.599 a pretty big slap in the face to a franchise icon. 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:16.400 So I don't know if they'll do that. But the 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.519 tackle and edge, I think are two other positions that 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:23.720 the Packers could go that maybe the Patriots have entertained 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:27.040 as well. So yeah, it's a factor. It certainly changes 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:29.240 the deck, and you got to look at it that way. 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:31.000 Awesome. 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.280 I appreciate you guys, all Right, no problem, Jody, Thank 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:35.360 you appreciate that. I did not know this. I just 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:38.679 saw on Twitter. I don't know. Do you know who 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:40.759 Chuck Carlton wrote Dallas Morning News. 1:11:41.160 --> 1:11:41.920 Name sounds familiar. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.240 Yeah, He's been a longtime football writer, covered a lot 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:48.760 of college football, which those guys right now are experts, 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.600 because yeah, because but you know, he'd been writing with 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:53.439 Dallas Morning number of news. He just passed away, and 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:57.120 I'm like, wow, that's a stunner. Yeah, because I've known 1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.679 of Chuck Carlton, followed him for a number of years. 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:01.960 You why he started off in that part of the country, 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:04.160 And I'm just like, wow, that's just that's a shocker. 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:05.120 Yeah, it's too bad. 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:09.080 Yeah, absolutely, eight five five pats five hundred the tot 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:10.600 free number if you want to jump in again. The 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:16.439 question today is if I'm Bill Belichick, I would draft 1:12:16.760 --> 1:12:19.519 blank fill in the blank. That's what we got. We 1:12:19.600 --> 1:12:22.880 got a pretty good consensus going well right now. Right now, 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:25.120 we don't have an edge. Nobody has an edge. We've 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:29.360 had Jackson and Jigba, We've had uh Roderick Jones, We've 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:33.519 had Zave Flowers, We've had trade down, you know for 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:39.200 a Flowers Uh, and we've had uh Robinson, Uh, and 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:42.040 we've had Banks. Okay, those are the guys that we've had. 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.040 He's got a slight lead if we want to. 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:46.840 I don't hear what. He's got a slight lead only 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:50.160 because Flowers was selected by Patty and then Sean in 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:53.200 Vancouver said trade down to select Flowers. 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:55.200 So he's hell give him one and a half. 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:57.720 He's got one and a half. Basically, he's got one 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:02.120 and a half. Aiden in California writes this in web 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:04.880 radio at Patriots dot com. John Hopaul is, well, glad 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:07.240 to hear you are considering or listening to takes of 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:10.280 about firing Bill, because when I emailed in January you 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:12.960 said it was an extreme take. My take is still yes, 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:16.400 I want to fire him immediately. We haven't had any 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:20.439 impact players since twenty twelve, which you pointed out earlier. 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:24.280 I for one am tired. I don't think you're advocating 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:26.280 firing Bill though now I for one am tired of 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:29.280 seeing the parade of players pass us by, and the 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:32.519 whole Max situation was just botched horribly. I know it's 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.040 probably not apples to apples. I don't follow the Bruins, 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:38.000 but look, they fired Cassidy and hired Montgomery last I checked, 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:39.960 they're still pretty good as in who I think the 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.559 guy who can't draft anymore will take. Speaking of Beligic, 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:47.519 he selects Miles Murphy, so. 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:51.040 He's really just saying that Bill is kind of just 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:55.759 middle finger it to everybody on Thursday Night. Miles Murphy 1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:59.559 and edge rushers in general. I'm not the biggest Miles 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.800 Murphy guy out of this group, but I am not 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:05.479 sleeping on edge rusher being the first round pick by 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:08.280 any means. It's a really strong class. And if you're 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.640 just going off of talent, I think that there's a 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:12.960 very good chance that one of those pass rushers is 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:15.559 the best guy available on the board at fourteen for them. 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:19.320 And when you look at their roster depth there at 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:21.640 that spot right now, behind Judan and Nucha, what do 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:24.400 you got? Pretty much nothing unless you want to really 1:14:24.479 --> 1:14:28.400 count on Ronnie Perkins and Forriny Jennings finally emerging from 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:31.759 the ABYSS, I'm not, and then Nucha's in a contract 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:35.120 year and Matthew Judon's thirty one years old. I think 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:37.439 Deuce says it perfectly on PU all the time. If 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:39.200 Matthew Judon goes down. 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:41.320 Where is this deal at what. 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:46.240 Does the whole team do so to get another one 1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:49.000 of those guys have bookend pass rushers that can get 1:14:49.000 --> 1:14:52.720 after these quarterbacks that are now in your division. There's 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:55.759 some reason in logic to it. I think what people 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:59.960 need to continue to see what their edge rusher spot. 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:02.719 Josh U j only plays forty percent of the time. 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:05.519 Josh U j is a sub rusher. He is a 1:15:05.560 --> 1:15:08.360 situational pass rusher. He is not a three down player. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.240 He's not a run player. He doesn't play on first down. 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:14.360 So as good as he was last year and as 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.400 good as he is at rushing the passer, he is 1:15:16.439 --> 1:15:20.439 a situational player. So what we're talking about with a 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:24.000 guy like Miles Murphy or a guy like Lucas van 1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:26.800 Ness or a guy like Nolan Smith, who these are 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:29.360 all guys they've had in for visits. Tyree Wilson from 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:32.320 Texas Tech is a player that's gonna play eighty percent 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:35.400 of the snaps and you can still get ouch on 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:38.599 the field in the same situations. And maybe Miles Murphy 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:41.439 kicks in, you know, one spot in and plays more 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.160 as like an end and then you still have coming 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:46.200 off the edge, right, So it's not like you have 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:48.640 to take one or the other on the field. So 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:54.160 I look at it and I see Miles Murphy, Matthew Judaan, 1:15:54.760 --> 1:16:00.439 josh U j Christian bar Moore, Dietrich Wise. Good luck 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:02.679 block in that front, right, you know, that's a really 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:05.760 really tough front to block. Somebody's getting a one on 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.200 one somewhere and it's gonna be a good pass rusher 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.680 getting that one on one. So I don't hate it. 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:13.360 I don't hate it. How do you respond to Aaron 1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:15.720 Rodgers going to the Jets sack them? 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:20.000 Well, we've talked about that, we talked about that earlier. Yeah, 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:21.720 you just you try to knock the hell out of them. 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:22.519 That's totally true. 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.519 I don't hate it. The best defense in football right 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:26.759 now is the San Francisco forty nine ers. They're built 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:29.840 through the trenches. That's how they get it. They don't 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.240 have a star in the secondary, they don't have a 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:36.519 star cornerback. Jadevious Ward's their best corner right that. That 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:39.479 whole defense runs through the front four. That's that's the 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:43.880 entire defense. So I don't know. I can't, I can't, 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:46.479 I can't say no. I can't say no. 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:49.960 Uh, Chad and the at L whoever the player is 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:53.599 and wherever it is they're taking. Considering Bill's trading history, 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:57.240 I would just like them to take an exciting potential playmaker, 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:00.360 someone to put buds in the seats and training and 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:03.120 the regular season. As surprising as it is for Evan, 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:07.559 there are people who consider the cornerback position exciting to watch. 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:09.000 Shocks does. 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:12.679 He said, Although, by the way, if I am Bill Belichick, 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.680 I would trade up and draft Christian Gonzales. 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:19.120 It's a good pick. Okay, it's a good pick, great player. 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:22.240 I think Christian Gonzalez, out of all of these corners 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:26.920 in this draft, he is the best at everything right, Like, 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.599 there's not a flaw in his game. He's not. Yes, 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:35.400 he's not as flashy as Devin Witherspoon, Right, He's not 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.000 gonna make the plays on the football that Devin Witherspoon does. 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:43.360 He's not as athletically freaky or as long as Joey 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:48.519 Porter Jr. But he is sound and man, he's sounded zone. 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:51.200 He's sound in match, he sound against the run, like 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:53.760 he doesn't do anything bad, and there's something to be 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:55.800 said for that and you watch his film and he 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:59.519 is a smooth sob out there John, Like that guy's 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:00.920 got hit that got. 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:04.600 Oil all over him. The feet are fantastic. 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:08.360 He flips the hips and he runs with anybody like 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:10.920 you just looked at and you're like, how is he 1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:12.639 so smooth bound? 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:13.439 Chick a bow bow? 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:19.320 Yes, sir, hips don't lie. That's my Shakira. 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:21.559 Evans hips man, isn't he? 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:24.040 That's that's no way you talk like this at home. 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:30.080 Just this is this is my Shakira. The draft his 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:30.920 hips don't lie. 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:35.639 I love it. I absolutely love it. That's good stuff. 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:39.000 Eight five five patch five hundred rolling along here. If 1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:42.360 you're Bill Belichick, you would take you would draft whom 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:47.240 Claire in the UK, host of The Claire Perspective. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:48.680 Listening live, I love I love it? 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:51.040 Hey Claire? How are you hey? 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:51.400 John? 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:56.840 Hey? Girl? Love it? Love it? So you probably have 1:18:56.920 --> 1:19:00.640 something to think about that hip movement yourself, right, I 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:01.320 got it a bit. 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:04.320 I was shocked to hear this from Evan. This this 1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:05.160 a new side of. 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:06.760 Evan Oily hips John. 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.639 Okay, a little too much information there. 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:15.280 You can tell that I've been talking about these guys 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:16.360 for four months. 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.639 Right, you're tired of look into the damn tape. Let's 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:20.759 draft these suckers. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.160 Let's go all right, Claire, which the tape? 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:24.000 He's looking at the hips? 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:27.960 Yeah, which which tight end are you taking in the 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:33.280 first round? Claire, I'm not, Oh the upset of the century. 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:35.599 I thought for sure you'd be like a Michael Meyer. 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:37.040 Yeah, yeah, me too. 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:40.280 Oh well yeah, I mean he is kind of my 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:42.200 draft for as they say, and he is the guy 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:44.240 that I sort of would want, but he's the first 1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:48.120 round guy, and the Patriots kind of the first round 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.840 isn't for the tight endage for them. There's plenty of 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:54.200 kind of depth in the draft. Tiny, So I'm pretty well, 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:55.600 I want I want to say, I'm pretty sure, but 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:59.120 I'm really hoping that they do take at least I 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:01.920 want to, but they shouldn't take it least on. But 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:04.720 if you're sort of going number four, see if that's 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.479 what you're talking about. The problem that I've got that 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:10.599 it's so difficult to choose. There's so many like Evan 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:14.200 saying Gonzales, he's hits amazing. You've got to know that 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:16.920 a lot of the fan base, like they flowers and 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:18.720 they want that shiny new toy. When it comes to 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:21.360 wide receivers, you've got the edge guys that are good. 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:23.560 You've got I know Evan doesn't want him, and I 1:20:23.560 --> 1:20:25.120 don't want a running back in the first round, but 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.920 b John Robinsons, you know, an elite player. There's so 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:31.720 much there. Linebacker Jack Campbell amazing, if you'd be a 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:34.760 brilliant Patriot. So it's there's so many that you could 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.439 choose at fourteen, and I'm going to be really boring 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:40.640 because I really want a good tackle. So for me, 1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:43.240 it's kind of like the Broderick Jones or the Peters 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:46.360 Goronski because the thing is, the one thing that keeps 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:50.320 drawing me back to taking a tackle first is it's 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:54.120 so difficult to get the value of tackling free agency 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:58.000 without a lot of money. The drafted, where you pick 1:20:58.120 --> 1:20:59.560 up guys. 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:01.519 And get them, there is a question of value there. 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:04.439 Yeah, yeah, okay, I want that kind of that top 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:08.280 guy that you pick early, you pick high, whatever, and 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.920 he lasts two years and years and you haven't got 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:15.360 to drop those multi millions big deal to entice a tackle, 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.400 to protect your quarterback, to kind of build your team 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:21.599 for the future, to get success for the future. 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:25.640 Yeah, it's a really good point about tackles and the 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.760 really good tackles do not come available too often because 1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:31.040 those guys typically get resigned or traded. 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:32.000 Exactly. 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:35.120 There's really you know, Mike mcglinchy hits free agency. Mike 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:37.879 mclinchy is a good tackle, but he's not an elite tackle. 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:40.200 And then he goes ahead and he breaks the record 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:43.640 for the most money given to a tackle for It's 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:45.880 basically what the Patriots did in twenty one, and the 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.200 issues that they ran into with that free agency spending 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:52.720 spree was overpaying for B plus guys exactly. Yeah, and 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:54.599 tackle it's completely point. 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.840 Yeah, it's a very valid point position where you're overplaying 1:21:57.880 --> 1:22:00.599 with glinchy even though he's not exactly what you really 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:03.479 really kind of want, but you're overplaying because you need 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:05.479 you need that tackle. And I think the likes of 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:09.160 Broderick Jones and Peter Skrunsky could possibly really step them 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:11.679 up when it comes to alone. It's kind of boring. 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.680 I get it. It's not something that's game changing and 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.559 sparkly on the field, but it's something that when you 1:22:17.600 --> 1:22:21.040 look at the bigger picture as a team, as a fanchise, 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:24.080 how soudid you need an O line? How we saw 1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:27.000 the problem last year at the lack of depth and stuff, 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:30.000 and I know that they've kind of possibly addressed that 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:32.840 in free agency this year and stuff. But you want 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:37.439 those super duper guys out there that you can depend on, 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.559 that you know called rain or shine. They're going to 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:42.360 protect the quarterback. And once you've got that, you haven't 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:44.519 got a worry that in two or three four years 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:46.839 you've got to dump a load of money on a tackle. 1:22:46.960 --> 1:22:49.400 You've still got these kids on rookie deals, which is 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:52.320 you're getting such value for money. And yeah, like I said, 1:22:52.360 --> 1:22:54.720 I know it's boring, but it just feels like a 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:57.920 really good way of building a team when you've got 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:02.160 such these good skill sets that are kind of at fourteen. 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:04.120 In this track, And which tackle do you favor? 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:07.120 I'm really still being between the two. 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:11.840 I really really get off the fence, Claire, get off 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:16.240 the fence. I know, I know that you just kind 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:19.320 of like nope, no, no, no fence walking, no fence 1:23:19.360 --> 1:23:20.920 walking not allowed. 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:23.479 Moment. 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:26.080 So you joined you joined me with Broderick Jones. He 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:26.719 was my pick. 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:32.160 I'm very glad that Claire that you you listen to 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:35.240 the programs and you listen to people that talk about 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:38.799 positional value and money. And if you're following the money 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:41.400 with this pick, which is it, really that's the best 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:43.680 way to do things, especially with this team. Let me 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:46.960 tell you where they can, Where they can, you know, 1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:50.120 get the best bang for their buck, that's typically where 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:51.640 Bill Belichick and the Patriots go. 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:55.040 All right, we have to turn this conversation your direction, though, however, 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:58.000 because we know that the tight end could definitely be 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:00.519 a need here at some point when to the patrons 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:02.120 take one and who's available. 1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:07.479 I was hoping in the second round, but I think 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:09.880 it's still too rich because of need. But when I've 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:12.840 been like mocked and stuff like that, I've taken Family. 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:15.080 Reporter at like the forty six, okay. 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:17.960 And then later into maybe the fourth. I really like 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:21.240 Luke Shoemaker. He's so rounded and stuff. 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.160 I think much language for the future. 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:28.160 You've got future as well. The thing is, at the moment, 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:30.240 they do need that blocking tight ends, and they can't 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:32.240 just look at the Porter and think they're set for 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:34.960 the future, because they're not, because none of what they've 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:37.519 got now is you know, you've got the serious blocking. 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:40.120 But if you strengthen the O line. It maybe isn't 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:42.200 as much of a need, but I think you've got 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:45.000 a FAMI. Reporter is the kind of what they like say, 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:47.479 weapon in adversity commers if you like. And then for me, 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:51.240 Shoemaker is just this really solid value for many tight 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:55.519 ends who can be sturdy and reliable, and he's like 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:58.439 the future sort of things. So I want the double 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:00.479 dip in and I kind of want the than the 1:25:00.600 --> 1:25:05.200 Porter and the shoe maker. Ideally i'd have Mayor like 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:07.120 forty six, but that won't happen. 1:25:07.200 --> 1:25:09.799 Yeah, he won't probably yet. Yeah, he will probably wouldn't 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:14.439 last that long. I see some max taking him at thirteen. Wait, 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.559 Marx taking Mayor higher, Meyer higher at thirteen. 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:20.759 Yeah, there's a mock today that somebody had the Mayor 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:22.240 at thirteen to the Packers. 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:23.519 Is a myor? Mayor? 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:24.400 I think it's Mayor? 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:25.120 Is it? 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:25.559 I think? 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:27.080 So? Okay it's Maya. 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:30.599 Okay, he's he's a well rounded specimen. 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:31.680 That guy is. 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:35.080 Oh it was my draft course, like before draft crist. 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:38.680 Yeah, he's uh, he's he's an impressive player. I think 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:41.599 that the best comp to me for him is Jason Witten. 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:44.439 You know, just is he I've heard that before. 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:47.360 Is he Rock or Travis Kelsey that he's going to 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.840 put up fifteen hundred yards? Probably not, but he's going 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:52.879 to be at like nine hundred and two one thousand 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:55.920 every single year and he's going to block his fine off. Yeah, 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:59.000 you know, just really well rashed. I think at the 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.680 worst case scenario, he's like a t. J. Hawkinson and 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:06.080 that's like the low floor for him. Yeah, he's a 1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:09.639 really good player. I love that you picked that Laporte 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.040 is one of your guys though, because he's he's I 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:15.040 probably am higher on laporter than anybody. I have Lapora 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:18.160 Laporta as my second tight end in the draft, behind Mayor. 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:20.960 I think he's better than Kincaid. I think I think 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:25.960 in Caid gets a little bit overrated. Uh Laporta. His 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:29.320 athletic profiles off the charts, his separation ability at the 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:33.200 top of the route, his versatility. He's the I think 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:38.479 the best pass catching tight end in the draft. So yeah, 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:43.080 he's fantastic player. I really hope that he he you know, 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:47.120 just looking at Bill O'Brien and the success that he 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:49.160 had with the tight ends here the first time around. 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.080 He plays a little bit more like the other tight 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:54.439 end that we don't say his name around here anymore, 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:59.599 but he's got that kind of skill set, the ability 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:02.960 to the jitterbug. But at six four two and forty 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:05.439 five pounds, it's a it's a rare, a rare breed, 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.479 and he's a really athletic player. I love Laporto. 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.840 So you hadn necessary a two minutes ago, and now 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:14.320 you've got the necessary now. 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:16.520 Because he is my total Yeah. 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.960 I love the port not a blocker, but past catching 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.920 tight end don't need. 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:23.720 To have some kind of a blocking element because the 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:24.640 way that they line up. 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:29.479 And there are some guys later on in the draft, 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:32.439 like a Schoonmaker, like a I don't know if you've 1:27:32.439 --> 1:27:34.880 gotten this deep yet, Claire, but Breton Strain from Penn 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:38.000 State is one of those blocking tight end types. 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:40.760 Yeah. 1:27:40.800 --> 1:27:44.040 Yeah, the kid from Oklahoma to them blanking on his 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:46.120 name is a little bit later is more of that 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:49.599 like h back blocking tight end, but he's he's one 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:52.600 of those types that maybe they could pick up. Uh. 1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:55.640 But yeah, those guys, there's some blocking tight ends later on. 1:27:55.720 --> 1:28:00.559 I love school, Yes, yes, I love Schoonmaker. Though he's 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.040 schoon I don't know, you might be right on the pronunciation. 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:03.920 There's Claire eyes. 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:06.880 He said shoe makers. What you say? Okay? 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:10.240 Yeah, Yeah, he's a really good player. And I think 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:13.439 that he's somebody that you look at the forty time 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:17.000 in the combine and his ability to just burst off 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:18.920 the line of scrimmage and get up the field, up 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:21.559 the seam or on crossing routes and things like that. 1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:23.759 And they didn't throw them the ball a ton because 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:26.320 Michigan didn't really run the offense through the tight end 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:29.160 as much as other teams do. So I think he 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.920 has some untapped potential as a receiver. That a guy 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:33.759 that probably is going to be a better pass catcher 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:35.360 in the NFL than he was in college. 1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:38.839 Yeah, I think so. Have you ever got any opinions 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:41.880 on Josh Wiley from Susanastic. He's a much nicer, but 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.120 he looks like he's got something. 1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:48.240 Yeah yeah, him in in Mallory from Miami. I think 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:51.120 are two guys that are that are interesting. Valeri ran 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:53.559 the fastest forty at the combine out of the tight ends, 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:56.519 so he's got some more speed. I think Wiley Wiley 1:28:56.560 --> 1:29:01.000 is it like a classic block fucking tight end, right, 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:04.000 Like that's a guy that can really that's probably not 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:05.720 going to give you much in the passing game at all, 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:07.360 But if you're just looking to get a third tight 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:09.919 end in here that's going to block and short yardage 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.760 and goal line and you know, first down and that 1:29:12.800 --> 1:29:15.000 type of thing, then he definitely fits the bill. 1:29:16.439 --> 1:29:16.639 Yeah. 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.960 I liked him. He's one of those lighter guys. I'm 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:21.360 sort of we'll still be keeping my. 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:23.080 Eye on definitely, John. 1:29:23.120 --> 1:29:24.400 Did you know this is going to be a tight 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:26.000 end breakdown segment? 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.080 I wasn't aware of it, but I knew that when 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.599 I saw Clear's name on the on the queue here 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:32.600 that I said, Okay, well, we're definitely gonna get some 1:29:32.600 --> 1:29:33.160 tight end cover. 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:35.760 They gotta take one, and they do need one. It's 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:36.519 a great class. 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:37.679 I'll be hunter. 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:39.559 Henry and Gaseki are under contract for. 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:41.840 One moree more year, so you might be looking at 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:42.800 the future here. Yeah. 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:45.599 Neither one of them is really a true in line 1:29:45.640 --> 1:29:49.920 guy either. You know, gaseckis certainly not. I think Henry has. 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:52.000 Which is why I would think that they would want 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:54.720 If they're really gonna consider this as a draft pick, 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:57.200 they gotta find somebody who can come in and block yeah, 1:29:57.240 --> 1:29:59.280 because that's not the strength of the other two guys. 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.880 Yeah, I think we're all an agreement that Mayor in 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:04.639 the first round is probably out. So then you're getting 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:08.040 into like the Darnell Washington's of the world. Tucker Craft 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:10.080 from South Dakota steak and block a little bit. 1:30:10.040 --> 1:30:12.240 By the way, don't have Washington. That's the key from Georgia, right. 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:16.800 He hit is huge. He is a huge mammoth of 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:20.280 a man. He's like six seven and seventy or something. 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:22.840 I think at the combine he he he slimmed down 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:24.320 a little bit to run well and. 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:27.840 Oh well, but he towers over everybody. Yeah he's and 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:30.160 I'm just like, dang, who wouldn't want to throw at that? 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:35.880 Yeah, he's And he's got body control too. Yeah, he's 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:39.439 got that body control to to make those adjustments to 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:41.720 make the catches, you know. So it's not just the 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.759 catch radius. He's he can he can catch a back shoulder, 1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:46.080 he can contort his body. 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:49.120 If I'm telling you that, I mean. 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:50.720 He's a little bit more of like a I think 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:54.519 that he's So that's the biggest thing that I think 1:30:54.560 --> 1:30:57.680 gets misconstrued with the combine because he tested so well 1:30:57.720 --> 1:30:59.880 at the combine that everybody thinks that he's this like 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:04.640 freak athlete. He's he's got heavy feet, like he's a plotter. Uh, 1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:06.880 he's he's a train right. It takes him a little 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:08.559 while to get up to that top. 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:10.280 Speed one of those guys though, the once he gets going, 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:10.800 he can move. 1:31:10.960 --> 1:31:13.280 Yeah. So I think that, you know, as a player 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.800 comp like you know, I I when I did my 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:19.519 big board, I just said discount Rob Gronkowski, like maybe 1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:23.120 like end a career Rob Gronkowski, right, like not prime Gronk, 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:26.519 but like like eighteen to Tampa Bay Gronk. You know, 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:29.439 So like somewhere in that range, I think is a 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:31.639 player that is what he could become in the league. 1:31:31.680 --> 1:31:34.480 I don't think that he's going to be as dynamic 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.440 of a pass catcher as the combine necessarily suggests. 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:41.200 That's what we're with me. He's got a really low flaw, 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:43.960 but the possibility of a really high series, the gap 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:47.600 that he could the gap between the sort of the 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.000 skill set could be so vassed. Yeah, it could be 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:53.519 kind of really he could actually like knock everybody sucks up, 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:55.599 But there's that risk of him. 1:31:55.439 --> 1:31:58.000 Really not kind of Yeah, he's either in the. 1:31:58.000 --> 1:31:59.400 Potential that you think him. 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:03.360 He's either what I just said, Gronk in twenty eighteen, 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:07.559 or he's Mercedes Lewis right like, and that's a pretty 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:10.960 big difference play exactly. 1:32:11.040 --> 1:32:12.280 That's what worries me about him. 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:17.639 Yeah, Claire, always good to talk to you. Yes, thanks ketto. 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:19.800 You got it Claire in the UK. Let me end 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.280 it with this here, V because I got one email 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:26.880 from Howard and Stratford, Connecticut. He says. As I put 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:29.639 on my BBGM cap, I look at the AFC East 1:32:29.680 --> 1:32:31.759 and the wide receivers the Pats go up against twice 1:32:31.760 --> 1:32:34.160 a year, and with number fourteen, I have to take 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.439 Deonte Banks, which we've talked about. So that's a second 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:40.840 vote for Banks, the cornerback from Maryland. Now the secondary 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:43.000 is top five in the league. Added to the pass 1:32:43.080 --> 1:32:45.800 rush that is developing with judaon and this defense takes 1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:48.840 another step toward tops in the league. Combined with an 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:53.679 NFL offense coached by experienced offensive coaches and this team 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:56.400 which won eight games with no offense last year, I 1:32:56.439 --> 1:32:58.400 could see an easy pickup of two or three wins. 1:32:58.479 --> 1:33:01.040 What do you think just from draft in Deontay Banks 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:03.000 or the whole, the whole puzzle. 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:05.160 The whole puzzle. But he says he starts with Deontay 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:08.280 Banks to create the rest of the dominos following him. 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:10.479 Yeah, I think if you draft a guy like Deontay Banks, 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:14.080 you hope that you are approaching a level of like 1:33:14.120 --> 1:33:16.439 a Sauce Gardner, get it, you know, that type of 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:19.080 flip for your defense or the Jets went from a 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:22.639 good defense to an elite defense really last year with Sauce. 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:25.400 So I yeah, I mean I gave my Deontay Banks 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:28.280 thoughts earlier, and I love the player. I think that 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:32.080 that's if you're looking for that missing piece defensively, then 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:34.640 it's probably a number one corner, Like that's sort of 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:38.160 the missing ingredient for them. So I could certainly see it. 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:41.880 And I think, if you know, I picked Jackson with 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:44.080 an Jigbaz, the guy that I would want them to draft, 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:46.200 I would say that the guy that I can most 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:49.480 say I think they would draft would probably be Ze Flowers. 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:51.479 But if I had to pick a defensive player, I 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:53.479 would go at Deontay Banks Bank as well. 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:55.639 All right, Then the final thing I have to put 1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:59.000 it here ev is because of the rumor and I 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:00.840 don't know if it's just rumor. We've seen it written 1:34:00.880 --> 1:34:02.800 by several of the writers. I think you've even mentioned 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:05.200 it as well here from time to time, But the 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:08.679 fact that the Patriots might just be interested in finding 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.320 a quarterback at some point. I know there's been a 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:13.200 talk about Will Levis because he was a you know, 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:15.439 he went to training camp and all that kind of stuff, 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:17.040 and you know, I think he's got any New England 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:18.439 roots and all that kind of stuff. 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:18.679 Here. 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:22.080 See he's born in Newton but lived in Connecticut, right, Okay, So. 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:25.280 And I think that's a that's ridiculous to even even consider. 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:28.320 He'll be long gone, probably even before the Patriots take 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:29.760 it fourteen. But you don't know, you don't know where 1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:34.440 guys are gonna slide. Do the Pats consider a quarterback? 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:39.000 And when should they consider a quarterback? Considering now there's 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:41.080 only two of them? Right? Well, I know they signed somebody, 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:43.000 but I mean at the same time, right, they need 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:48.360 they need competition. And what happens if Mac doesn't turn 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:51.280 out the way that we all think he can and 1:34:51.400 --> 1:34:54.000 hope he can, But what if he doesn't, do they 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:56.120 actually get an eye toward that. I'm just kind of 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:59.000 asking you the quarterback conundrum, if you will. 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:01.960 Absolutely, I I think there's legitimate interest in Will Levis 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.720 for the Patriots. I don't think that this is just 1:35:04.760 --> 1:35:07.680 a due diligence pick the guy's brain because he might 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:09.800 go to the Colts and he might play him down 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:12.040 the line or all that type of stuff that gets 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:14.320 thrown out. I don't think that that's I think there's 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.680 legitimate interest in the player, and I think that he 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:19.880 fits what they do a little bit better than maybe 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:23.240 on the surface it looks like he would. I think 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:26.040 Will Levis is a really misunderstood prospect. I think a 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:29.240 lot of people look at him, his size, his arm, talent, 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:31.960 and they think Josh Allen, Right, you know, he's just 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:36.719 this ball of clay, that can athlete that gets outside 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.840 the pocket and makes these ridiculous you know, off platform 1:35:39.960 --> 1:35:43.160 throws fifty yards down the field. That's not the player 1:35:43.200 --> 1:35:45.880 that I saw watching him. I see a guy that's 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:50.439 much more functional in structure in the pocket, operating the offense. 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:54.920 I think his decision making issues come when he's improving, right. 1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:58.479 I think he tends to cash a check that you know, 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:00.880 whatever right a check is, he can't cash right, you know, 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:03.080 when he goes on in the move and now he's 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:05.600 trying to throw across his body, across the field or 1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:08.840 into tight window coverage down the field, and that's when 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:11.280 he gets these interception numbers, and that's why he threw 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:14.960 so many picks. So I think that there's a reason 1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:18.280 football reasons, you know, in between the lines, reasons for 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:20.439 them to have some interest in Will Levis. I don't 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:23.360 think they go in that direction. Ultimately. I think if 1:36:23.360 --> 1:36:25.760 you look at this quarterback class, it's tough because there's 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:30.160 not really a great middle tier to this quarterback class. 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:33.400 There's the four guys at the top. There's Henn Hooker, 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.000 who's kind of this wild card that I think is 1:36:35.000 --> 1:36:36.479 gonna end up going in the first round. So it's 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:38.440 probably gonna be too rich for them anyways. 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:39.679 Even even with this Andrew situation. 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:41.759 Yeah, I think he'll end up going into the first round. 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:45.680 Wow. So because I was gonna ask you specifically about. 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:49.200 Hook he's the guy that everybody the guy that everybody's 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:52.800 describing like the Jalen Hurts pick for the Patriots is 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:55.519 probably hend and Hooker. But Hennen Hooker is going to 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:56.920 go in the end of the first round and not 1:36:57.040 --> 1:36:59.840 in the second round like Jalen Hurts did, so there's 1:36:59.880 --> 1:37:01.960 a little bit of an issue there. And then once 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:05.759 you get past Hooker, there's a huge drop off now 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:08.759 to the next tier quarterbacks, you know, the Tanner mckeys 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.960 of the world and the Josh Hayner is like j Hayner. 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:15.280 Excuse me that that drop off is steep. So if 1:37:15.280 --> 1:37:18.360 you're not going quarterback in the top fifty, you're probably 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:21.040 not going quarterback into like the fourth round, right, That's 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:23.719 the type of draft that it is. So I would 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:26.160 say that I don't know if it's a bold prediction 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:28.320 or not, but I would predict that the Patriots will 1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:30.720 take a quarterback in the fourth round with one of 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:34.320 those three fourth round picks. I lean towards dtr from 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:36.840 UCLA just because they worked with him at the Shrine Bowl, 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.120 and it seems like athletically he's got some upside, he's 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:42.960 got some mobility. I compared him to Tyrod Taylor. He's 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:46.080 kind of that type of player. So I think that 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:48.760 there's something to be said for They already have the 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:50.920 Bailey Zappies and the mac Jones of the world. 1:37:51.000 --> 1:37:53.719 Let's get so you need something that's kind. 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.200 Of different, right, a little bit more toolsy. Yeah, correct, 1:37:56.600 --> 1:37:58.360 So I think that they could do that. I like 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:01.160 Hayter a lot though, too, and he's got some he's 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:03.720 got some khons, right, Like, he's got some of that 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:08.200 that uh, that that grit, that that toughness and that 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:11.760 intangible similar to kind of like a Taylor Heineke where 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:13.920 he's just got there's something about him, right, and he's 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:16.519 kind of a little wild and and just plays with 1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:18.720 his hair on fire. So I do like him a 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.679 little bit. But it's a tough quarterback class, it's not. 1:38:21.640 --> 1:38:25.080 There's somebody though that could be a little developable. 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:27.320 Right, Yeah, those two guys I think have some upside, 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:30.040 have some athletic ability. I'd also throw out Jaron Hall 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:32.760 from b YU as another one of those guys that 1:38:32.880 --> 1:38:37.160 has that athletic upside off platform ability can just flick 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:39.840 the wrists and throw the football, uh, you know, twenty 1:38:39.920 --> 1:38:41.280 yards down the field on the line. 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:43.000 You know. So one of those picks on the fourth 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:44.760 round might be one of the spots. Yeah. 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:48.680 I think Look, until until they hit, they know one 1:38:48.720 --> 1:38:52.960 hundred percent sure that they have the quarterback. Until you're 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:54.760 in a look, they're not going to be in a 1:38:54.760 --> 1:38:57.679 Patrick Mahomes category. But like, until they're in that level 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:00.839 of category where there's no question about who the quarterback 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:03.240 of this team is, you gotta keep taking quarterbacks. I 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:05.479 don't know how you don't. And even with Tom Brady here, 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:08.240 they used to take quarterbacks every other year as it is, 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:13.280 so I don't know why they wouldn't necessarily unless they 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:15.400 just hate the class, which is possible because it's not 1:39:15.479 --> 1:39:16.120 a great class. 1:39:16.200 --> 1:39:18.280 Right, all right, I get two more quick rapid fire 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:20.720 ones for you before I'm not gonnat that. No, no, no, 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:22.600 you'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine right now. 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:30.679 Number one, most surprised pick, you think, or most surprised position, 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:33.320 I should say that the Patriots take highly What would 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:34.160 really shock. 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:39.880 You anything on the interior, like defensive tackle or obviously 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:43.840 an interior lineman. I don't think anything else would shock 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:45.760 me though, because like even like safety. You know, Devin 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:48.719 mccorty just retired, So if they took Brian Branch from Alabama, 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:50.759 would any of us be totally shocked? 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:53.560 No, because they just yeah, as you said, they'd retire. 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:55.760 Of safety, right, So I would just say anything on 1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:58.559 the interior and I can't. I can't roll out running backs. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.080 I don't think that would surprise me either, So really 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:04.200 de tackle or you know, like a center, I think 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:07.960 it would be pretty shocking. But other than that, again, 1:40:08.000 --> 1:40:11.479 it's sort of the roster thing right of got a 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:14.680 lot of holes. So like anywhere else, really maybe linebacker. 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:17.679 It's not a great linebacker class, especially at the top. 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:20.560 I think Jack Campbell and Drew Sanders will be the 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:23.200 first two linebackers off the board, maybe sometime in the forties. 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:25.679 So it's not a great linebacker class either. 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:27.799 Do the Patriots keep all eleven picks? 1:40:28.280 --> 1:40:31.040 No, consolidate? I think that they're going to be way 1:40:31.120 --> 1:40:34.280 under eleven. I'd say like eight or nine. They just 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.240 don't have the roster spots for it. You know, they 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:37.080 have seventy five guys. 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:40.160 I was going to say, yeah, we're gonna update seventy 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:43.360 five guys right now. Yes, so you can get to ninety. 1:40:43.360 --> 1:40:46.920 Right sot free agents, right That only leaves you four 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:49.080 spots for undrafted free agents if you have an eleven 1:40:49.160 --> 1:40:53.040 pick rookie class. So I think that they consolidate. My 1:40:53.120 --> 1:40:56.240 guess is is it's a trade back in the first 1:40:56.320 --> 1:40:58.599 round or pick at fourteen and then maybe trade up 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:01.200 in the second round and do the Christian bar Moore 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:04.439 trade reducts, you know, move up eight six to eight 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:07.800 spots to to land a top forty player with the 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:09.680 second pick in the draft, you know, their second pick 1:41:09.720 --> 1:41:10.960 in the draft, something like that. 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:13.720 All right, I'll let you go. I know you need 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:15.680 I know you need a get go one. So I do, 1:41:15.880 --> 1:41:16.120 I do. 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:18.880 I got a. I'm gonna have a phone interview with 1:41:18.960 --> 1:41:21.439 Matt Light, Patriots Hall of Famer. 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:24.040 Yes, and a lot of that is gonna be because 1:41:24.080 --> 1:41:26.360 we have He's gonna You're gonna ask you about our 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:28.040 next Patriots Hall of Famer. 1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:30.920 Our next Yes, we don't know who the player pick is, 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:34.320 but we know that Dante's Dante Skarneck. I've got some 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:40.080 great stuff from Scar himself, Ivan Fears David Andrews, so 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:42.639 I'd add that Light to it. It's very very cool. 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:45.880 It's very cool listening to Ivan in particular talk about 1:41:46.360 --> 1:41:49.599 what Dante meant to his career and basically took him 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:51.680 under his wing and made sure that he was he 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:54.519 was okay in the NFL world. And you know, I 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:56.840 really looked at Dante is like a big brother, you know, 1:41:57.000 --> 1:42:00.000 father type figure, and it was it was pretty cool 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:03.840 to hear him, you know, get so emotional talking about 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:07.960 I never had to worry about my job or if 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:10.639 I was going to stick in the NFL because Dante 1:42:10.960 --> 1:42:13.479 Dante had me. You know, Dante was going to take 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:15.800 care of me. And I could see how much that 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:16.280 meant to him. 1:42:16.320 --> 1:42:18.120 All Right, we'll get right back to the phones and 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:20.080 the emails. Just wanted Evan to get off to his 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:22.679 interview here. Ev I appreciate it everybody listening to Catch 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.080 twenty two with him and Barth. All right, and I 1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:27.479 know that you'll have the live coverage tomorrow night of 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:30.200 the draft right here on Patriots dot Com Radio. Through 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:32.719 all the Patriots picks, through all the picks in the NFL. 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:34.720 These guys will come in on, you know, whether or 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:36.120 not they think they did a good job, whether they 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:38.320 did a crappy job or you know, or did they 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:40.719 miss out here. That'll be the fun part is getting 1:42:40.880 --> 1:42:44.479 the Patriots perspective on everybody else's picks during the draft, 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.080 of course, coming up tomorrow night. All right, quick break, 1:42:47.120 --> 1:42:48.840 then we're right back to the phones. Coming up here 1:42:48.960 --> 1:43:41.240 on Patriots dot Com Radio. In the playbook Patriots Playbook 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:44.040 on Patriots dot Com Radio. I'm John Rook. Thanks to 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:47.360 Evan Lazar, you know, as he's done all the homework, 1:43:47.400 --> 1:43:50.040 and so I really wanted Evan. Alex obviously has his 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:51.679 day job that he had to get to today, which 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:53.799 is we talked about at the top of the program 1:43:53.920 --> 1:43:57.840 today at ninety eight five Aaron Boston. But they're the 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:00.439 guys that do all the work. They're the guys that 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.519 you know, that do all the research to do all 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:06.559 the film watching, do all the video watching, do all 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:09.200 the reading, do all the researching. You know, and you 1:44:09.280 --> 1:44:12.120 and I and and and all of us who love 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:15.280 the draft, and all of us who love playing draft 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:18.160 games and try to figure out who the hell or 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:19.559 what the hell is going to go on with such 1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:22.679 and touch Team SUTN Chutch Area. You know, that's fine, 1:44:22.760 --> 1:44:24.479 it's great. That's part of the fund. That's why we're 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:26.960 all attracted to this. It's why the NFL Draft has 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:31.280 grown to the experience that it is and has been 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:33.360 over the last ten to twenty years from what it 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:36.920 used to be when you know it really started in 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:41.360 the sixties. Can you believe that it used to be 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:45.520 Pete Rosel, the then commissioner at a chalkboard, a blackboard, 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:48.639 that's what it used to be. And so you can 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:52.480 understand a little bit why, you know, at least initially 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:58.000 when ESPN wanted to televise, which began in you know, 1:44:58.120 --> 1:45:01.120 in nineteen what seventy nine, I guess when ESPN turned 1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:03.679 it into a TV spectacle of nineteen seventy nine, nineteen 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:06.519 eighty and then Mel Kuiper, my buddy Mel Kuiper, who 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:08.840 will certainly be front and center throughout the course of 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:12.479 this weekend on ESPN's coverage. He joined the NFL draft 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:15.439 coverage I think at like eighty four, eighty three, eighty four, 1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:18.840 and Mel he's one of the few guys I know 1:45:18.880 --> 1:45:22.160 whose job three hundred and sixty five days a year 1:45:22.200 --> 1:45:24.280 is the NFL Draft. That's what he does. He puts 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.760 together his draft guide and he researches all these guys, 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:29.559 and he's probably already started work on twenty twenty four. 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:32.000 But I would tell you that as soon as the 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:34.360 twenty twenty three draft is over this weekend, he'll already 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:36.759 be walking on twenty twenty four, if he's not already. 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.519 And that's just kind of what he does, and a 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:40.439 lot of people subscribe to that, including a lot of 1:45:40.479 --> 1:45:43.880 teams subscribed to some of the things that he does 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:46.160 and the research that he does, And so our own 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:49.439 researcher here in Evan and Alex as well with the 1:45:49.439 --> 1:45:51.880 podcast they do that Catch twenty two and they get 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:53.519 the chance to talk a lot of football, and it's 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:56.200 a great addition. If you haven't heard it, you know, 1:45:56.760 --> 1:45:58.280 I want those guys. They're the ones that have done 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:00.519 the study. You know, you and I I could certainly 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:02.559 sit here and figure it out ourselves because I watch 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:04.920 a lot of football. I see a lot of video clips. 1:46:05.160 --> 1:46:08.760 I know you do as well. I listen to Good 1:46:08.760 --> 1:46:12.960 Morning Football on occasion on NFL Network. You know, certainly 1:46:13.000 --> 1:46:15.879 see all this stuff on the NFL programs on ESPN. 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:18.599 So I kind of feel like I know a little, 1:46:18.680 --> 1:46:21.160 but I don't know what these guys know. They really 1:46:21.640 --> 1:46:25.240 Evan does such a superb job of breaking it down. 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:29.840 He really does, and he makes it easy to understand. Like, 1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:32.439 for instance, the whole you know Oily Hips thing we 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.200 were talking about, I mean that I understand where he's 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:36.720 coming from, and we're making fun of him for that, 1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:38.920 but I mean, at the same time, I get it, 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:42.240 slippery guy, that's what we're looking for. You need somebody 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:44.600 with that quote unquote missibility like I like to the 1:46:44.600 --> 1:46:47.200 phrase I like to use like a Bijon Robinson of 1:46:47.240 --> 1:46:49.479 Texas or what have you. Anyway, so that's why we 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:52.720 want to emphasize that right now. Let's continue with you 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:56.080 here at eight five five Pats five hundred, and the 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:58.240 question of the day, if you tuned in live late, 1:46:58.800 --> 1:47:05.200 largely has been if I'm Bill Belichick, I would draft blank, 1:47:06.479 --> 1:47:09.360 fill in the blank. All right. We have Jackson Smith, 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:14.840 the Jigbo. We have Roderick Jones, Say Flowers, Bjohn Robinson, 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:19.400 we got Banks, Murphy Gonzales, trade up and go get Gonzales. 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:22.000 These are the guys that we've had mentioned already, all right. 1:47:22.040 --> 1:47:26.320 And of course, if you ultimately select the person who 1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:30.800 is taken by the Patriots first at fourteen at the 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:33.280 number fourteen spot, then you get a chance to come 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:35.760 in and co host a show with me next month 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:38.080 or June. We'll figure it out whatever's more convenient either 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:40.880 the mayor of the June editions of the playbook. But 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:43.360 that's kind of what's at stake here. I know that's 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:45.080 a big hunteror so we want to make sure that 1:47:45.120 --> 1:47:47.360 you everybody has an opportunity at that. Let's get to 1:47:47.439 --> 1:47:50.439 Nelson in Los Angeles. Here, Hey Nelson here in the playbook. 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:52.759 Hey, how we're doing today? 1:47:52.840 --> 1:47:54.160 I'm great, Nelson. How's it going? 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:56.000 Good? Good? 1:47:56.280 --> 1:47:59.280 If it said I'll get an edge Russer, I just 1:47:59.280 --> 1:48:00.720 think Junior Alabama? 1:48:01.960 --> 1:48:04.799 Okay, is he gonna be around? 1:48:04.880 --> 1:48:05.160 We need? 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:07.599 Yeah? But is he gonna be around? 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:14.519 Well, if he's around, I'll get him. Okay, I'll get him. 1:48:14.520 --> 1:48:18.600 All right, all right, So tell me what it is 1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:21.360 specifically why you think he's going to be around, if 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:22.840 you do think he's going to be around, and why 1:48:22.880 --> 1:48:23.400 you want him. 1:48:25.120 --> 1:48:27.320 I want him because he's a big guy. He knows 1:48:27.360 --> 1:48:31.000 how to rush in and Judan does a lot of work. 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:32.920 He needs, you know, he needs somebody else to help 1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:33.800 him out a little bit. 1:48:35.400 --> 1:48:39.960 Okay, all right, Well I think for you we did 1:48:40.000 --> 1:48:43.519 talk about that, by the way, all right, go ahead, out. 1:48:43.400 --> 1:48:46.320 Of all out of all of wide receivers, say they 1:48:46.360 --> 1:48:49.439 take the five top fire receivers at the tap. Which 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:52.559 other receivers are you interesting at. 1:48:53.680 --> 1:48:57.840 Of the receivers of the receivers, Well, the one the 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:01.320 receiver that I like is Quentin john for TCU. That's 1:49:01.320 --> 1:49:03.559 the guy that I like. Uh, And it's probably because 1:49:03.560 --> 1:49:05.639 I've seen him play a little bit more often now 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:07.720 I've seen a lot of Zay flowers as well, just 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:11.680 because of him being at Boston College. But I'm intrigued 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:15.240 by Johnson's length. He's I think he's got some some 1:49:15.320 --> 1:49:18.040 burst and some speed in a little bit of separation. 1:49:18.600 --> 1:49:21.040 But you're talking about a guy that's got longer arms 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:22.840 and and he's one of those guys that actually go 1:49:22.960 --> 1:49:26.080 up and get a ball if you need it. And 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:28.360 and I think that's probably why I like him more. 1:49:28.880 --> 1:49:30.599 And it's not that I don't like Zay. I think 1:49:30.640 --> 1:49:32.679 if they took Zay, I think could be happy with him, 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:36.280 just like everybody would probably be ultimately happy with him. 1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:40.280 But to me, I just think his physical nature and 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:43.519 his physical presence would be something that would set him 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:46.120 apart from others. For me, what do you think? But 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:51.200 he's he's in a five top, Okay, So. 1:49:51.760 --> 1:49:55.479 I told you, not no five? The five already gone? 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:57.879 Say they gone already And he's in a five. 1:49:58.000 --> 1:49:58.759 So he's gone. 1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:01.240 They are the rest right? He was in there right now? 1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:03.760 I think six and seven and all the way down. 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:06.240 Who will you think will be a good fit for 1:50:06.280 --> 1:50:07.320 you for the Patriots. 1:50:10.040 --> 1:50:12.679 Well, there's no reason why he can't be a fit. 1:50:14.160 --> 1:50:16.400 You know, you're you're you're stuck in trying to, you know, 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:19.120 fulfill roles. I don't think I think you have to 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:22.360 look beyond that. You know, he can certainly fit with 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:24.400 what he does. He's going to be an outside guy, 1:50:24.439 --> 1:50:25.080 that's all you say. 1:50:25.360 --> 1:50:28.439 Yeah, I know he'll fit with us. Well, he's in 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:30.960 a five, he's in a five top. Why receive where 1:50:31.000 --> 1:50:33.760 draft lift? I say, say they take the five, we 1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:35.160 see what's from the draft list. 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:40.360 I'll be Nelson. I'll be honest, I haven't gone any 1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:43.040 deeper than that because I'm not sure that they I'm 1:50:43.040 --> 1:50:45.040 not sure that they I'm not sure that they a 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:49.320 that they need to because anybody after the second round, 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:51.559 you know, to me, I think you throw him in 1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:55.759 a hat and you pick one and you're happy with it. See, 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:57.760 the only guys, the only guys that you really need 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.559 to be concerned about. And this is what we talked 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:03.160 about at the very beginning of the show today, was 1:51:03.320 --> 1:51:05.080 that you know, when you have a pick as high 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:08.280 as fourteen overall, you know you're gonna get a chance 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:10.439 to get a Blue Chipper, so you don't want to 1:51:10.439 --> 1:51:12.240 mess that opportunity up, which is why a lot of 1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:14.799 people I think would still be upset if the Patriots 1:51:14.800 --> 1:51:17.639 figure out a way to trade down again, which could happen. 1:51:17.680 --> 1:51:20.240 It has happened. We know that Bill Belichick's likes, he 1:51:20.320 --> 1:51:23.240 loves to trade down, and they'd be disappointing that because 1:51:23.240 --> 1:51:26.120 you rarely get an opportunity to draft this high in 1:51:26.160 --> 1:51:28.439 the draft and you want somebody that you know is 1:51:28.479 --> 1:51:32.840 a first round guy on every team's draft list, and 1:51:33.080 --> 1:51:35.760 if you're gonna go after the top, well you do. 1:51:35.920 --> 1:51:37.439 But so if you're telling me, all right, who do 1:51:37.520 --> 1:51:40.080 I like after the top five receivers? Dude, I don't 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:43.879 study it that hard. Okay. I just don't why because 1:51:44.200 --> 1:51:47.280 throw him in a bag and I'll pick one's That's 1:51:47.320 --> 1:51:51.280 all I'm talking about. Okay, So you know, to me, look, 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:53.559 if you're I don't think the Patriots end up taking 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:56.639 a receiver high, but a guy like Johnson could end 1:51:56.720 --> 1:51:59.880 up sliding to a second round spot. He could, and 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:01.960 it wouldn't surprise me to see him go, say a 1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:03.800 forty six, wouldn't surprise me at all. 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:07.439 All right, So I'll see you. I'll talk to you 1:52:07.520 --> 1:52:08.680 later than you. Have a nice day. 1:52:08.840 --> 1:52:09.519 Thanks Nelson. 1:52:10.080 --> 1:52:11.599 Quickly we don't trade down or nothing. 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:15.719 There you go, Thanks Nelson, appreciate you. Todd in Greenville, Hey. 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:19.360 Todd, long time no talk, mister rook How are you, Bud? 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:23.280 Not bad? Went through some crazy times, had a house, 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:26.760 lost the house, a new house, and move to going 1:52:26.800 --> 1:52:28.880 to move someplace else, to another country, then back to 1:52:28.920 --> 1:52:30.480 having a house and wow. 1:52:31.080 --> 1:52:33.040 So it has been it's been up and down for you. 1:52:33.160 --> 1:52:36.479 Huh, yeah, it's been. It's been a wild ride. 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:38.439 Well, I hope everything's okay. 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:42.280 Yeah, everything's fine and uh and everything will be fine 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:44.840 when the Patriots trade right out of the first round 1:52:45.000 --> 1:52:48.479 entirely and get themselves like two second rounders, and then 1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:51.240 I'll be hosting the show with you there, rookie. 1:52:52.040 --> 1:52:54.439 Okay, I like it all right. 1:52:54.920 --> 1:52:58.200 So if they don't trade out, I would I would 1:52:58.479 --> 1:53:01.400 love to see them actually trade up and do whatever 1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:05.400 they could to get Gonzales. I think he's amazing, and 1:53:05.479 --> 1:53:07.960 I think that would set that defense to such a 1:53:08.040 --> 1:53:10.840 high level that if the offense does just case or 1:53:10.920 --> 1:53:13.200 twenty one points, because that was that was last year 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:15.120 and hopefully they do better this year. But you know, 1:53:15.240 --> 1:53:18.720 they get twenty one, twenty four points, they can win 1:53:18.960 --> 1:53:21.520 because that defense would be just insane. 1:53:21.640 --> 1:53:24.559 That's exactly what Evan and I were talking about, you know, 1:53:24.600 --> 1:53:26.479 and he said, look, you got to be able to 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:29.040 beat teams thirty to twenty seven. You have to be 1:53:29.080 --> 1:53:31.400 able to do that. So that's why there's an emphasis on, 1:53:32.080 --> 1:53:35.240 I think, still finding some offensive players because at some 1:53:35.280 --> 1:53:37.200 point in time, you got to be able to outscore 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:39.000 a team. You're not going to beat Buffalo in a 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:41.120 twenty to seventeen game, probably not going to happen. 1:53:42.080 --> 1:53:45.240 Well, I don't know. The defense last year was insane 1:53:45.320 --> 1:53:46.000 and if they. 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:50.559 Have, well it's they alongside they've made strides. Okay, I 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:53.320 will certainly give you that, but nobody in this day 1:53:53.360 --> 1:53:56.280 and age of offensive football, nobody really is. I mean, 1:53:56.320 --> 1:53:58.280 if you give it up seventeen eighteen points a game, 1:53:58.320 --> 1:54:01.040 you're considered lockdown, and that on average. There are gonna 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:03.040 be games that you're gonna you know, you're gonna play 1:54:03.040 --> 1:54:04.800 a week or point it opponent and you're gonna give 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:06.439 up thirteen or fourteen, and there could be other games 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:08.760 where you give up twenty four to twenty seven, and 1:54:08.760 --> 1:54:10.360 the average of that is still gonna be right there 1:54:10.360 --> 1:54:13.920 in the middle. So you know, I'm I'm you need. 1:54:14.280 --> 1:54:17.000 I am of the opinion the Patriots need more offensive push. 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:19.280 They need more help on the offensive side. And if 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:21.920 I'm not drafting the lineman, which is what I think 1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:24.559 they would do, it will do at fourteen. I would 1:54:24.560 --> 1:54:27.120 definitely have to take a look at receiver. And even 1:54:27.160 --> 1:54:29.920 though a guy like Johnson is my guy, I would 1:54:29.960 --> 1:54:31.120 think they will take Flowers. 1:54:31.200 --> 1:54:34.800 Yes, yeah, I love Flowers. No, I'm just this is 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.360 the way Bill thinks. And I'm pretty sure that if 1:54:37.360 --> 1:54:39.840 he doesn't trade under the first round, you'll get himself 1:54:39.840 --> 1:54:40.880 a defensive player there. 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:42.960 Okay, And which one do you like? 1:54:44.040 --> 1:54:44.160 Well? 1:54:44.200 --> 1:54:46.200 I like Gonzalez. I would like them to trade up. 1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:47.320 I don't think you want Gaza. 1:54:47.480 --> 1:54:48.080 I don't know where. 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:52.960 Okay, Bill is too unpredictable. I really don't know where 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:56.120 you to be honest, John, But my pick would be Gonzalid. 1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:59.160 Okay, So you think that, so you'll say they trade 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:01.240 up and they take gonz the corner from Morgan. 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:03.280 Oh No, what I'm really saying is they're going to 1:55:03.360 --> 1:55:05.320 trade out entirely of the first round and get the 1:55:05.360 --> 1:55:07.000 second round pack for their first round. 1:55:07.000 --> 1:55:09.960 Is okay? So you so they'll you think they'll trade 1:55:10.000 --> 1:55:13.280 out all together? Oh yeah, okay, but I'm gonna hold 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:15.360 you to the Gonzales pick. That's your pick. If they 1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:18.880 if they go, okay, all right, that's fine. And I 1:55:18.960 --> 1:55:21.840 kind of I kind of agree with you in terms 1:55:21.840 --> 1:55:24.640 of the not trading out. I don't think they trade out. 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:29.280 I think what they'll do is they're they're gonna drop 1:55:29.360 --> 1:55:32.440 back and they're gonna uh, my guess is they'll look 1:55:32.600 --> 1:55:36.520 at you know, if the guy right there from Tennessee 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:39.000 is on the board, you know, if someone like Jones 1:55:39.120 --> 1:55:42.640 drops uh and Skearansky is the one that's also kind 1:55:42.640 --> 1:55:44.840 of dropping a little bit in stature over the last 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:46.880 couple of days, if they think they can get him 1:55:46.880 --> 1:55:50.320 at eighteen to twenty, I could see them trading down 1:55:51.320 --> 1:55:54.080 and picking up an extra top one hundred pick and 1:55:54.120 --> 1:55:56.720 then taking that lineman at that spot like that, I 1:55:56.720 --> 1:55:58.200 could see see. 1:55:58.240 --> 1:56:01.160 I hope you actually are in the home somewhere when 1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:03.400 they do the drafting, like in Patriots Stadium, so that 1:56:03.520 --> 1:56:06.760 are near the studios, because when Bill does something like 1:56:06.840 --> 1:56:10.240 take the running back first or something. I just want 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:13.280 you to be there to eyewitness, you know, the explosion 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:16.880 of Evan induce, because I I think that's going to 1:56:16.960 --> 1:56:20.800 be epic. Know Bill is going to do something. And 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:25.560 those two like they're already a Debbie downers. 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.400 For ye yeah, I get they're they're. 1:56:26.200 --> 1:56:28.040 A little bit out. Well then so is Andy hart 1:56:28.400 --> 1:56:31.000 Heart actually on his show said that he thinks Bill 1:56:31.120 --> 1:56:33.520 is losing it. He thinks Bill is slipping with you know, 1:56:33.760 --> 1:56:34.240 the draft. 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:36.600 I've seen and say that. I know I've seen Andy 1:56:36.640 --> 1:56:36.960 say that. 1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:40.440 Yeah, you know who knows. But yeah, I hope you're 1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:42.880 there and I'll let you go and get somebody else's bick. 1:56:43.080 --> 1:56:45.320 Thanks brother, all right, all right, talk to you all right, 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:49.760 Thanks Todd, and take care all right, keep everybody safe, Eldred. 1:56:49.880 --> 1:56:51.160 What's happened in my man? 1:56:53.520 --> 1:56:55.440 Hey, mister Manson, good to talk to you, my brother. 1:56:56.040 --> 1:56:57.880 Always good to talk to you, my friend. How are you. 1:56:59.680 --> 1:57:02.680 Doing? Really good? Hopefully I'm just the last load. I 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:05.080 gotta do them going back to his yard. Hope I 1:57:05.080 --> 1:57:05.560 can go home. 1:57:05.720 --> 1:57:07.560 Okay, that sounds good, And then you'll climb in that 1:57:07.600 --> 1:57:10.160 camaro and go home, yes. 1:57:10.040 --> 1:57:14.640 Sir, And then sit back and the dread tomorrow and 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:17.520 like I always do for the last ten to fifteen years. Okay, 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:22.480 because the same guy doing the picket. So and I 1:57:22.520 --> 1:57:25.200 agree with Andy, But see I've been saying that for years. 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:27.600 They've not been knocking me off. And I'm like, I'm 1:57:27.600 --> 1:57:30.240 telling you, you never get the guy. You always get 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:33.760 the mother guys. And the mother guys go arounding out rosters, 1:57:33.960 --> 1:57:37.200 but they ain't your superstars. It ain't your corps. But 1:57:37.360 --> 1:57:40.760 the problem with Bill he get a corp and once 1:57:40.800 --> 1:57:42.320 they produced, he don't want to pay me and get 1:57:42.400 --> 1:57:44.520 rid of And that's the part to be kissing me 1:57:44.560 --> 1:57:46.840 off the most. You know, you got good guys that 1:57:46.920 --> 1:57:50.160 you homegrown, and once they produced a little bit, you know, 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:53.920 unless they good foot soldiers like mccordy, you'll pay him, 1:57:54.960 --> 1:57:55.200 you know. 1:57:55.640 --> 1:57:55.880 True. 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:59.160 Then I hate just know this news they're talking about 1:57:59.200 --> 1:58:02.440 Max and Will Levis. Well everybody said they don't know 1:58:02.440 --> 1:58:05.000 why I knew England got all their interest when nobody 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:07.640 else really do you know? But that's deal? 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:09.200 Well you think you know? Do you think it's the 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:11.760 Patriot's interest as driving Levice is stock up? 1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:16.160 I think so, But I be honest with you, I 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:19.880 wouldn't be surprised that Bill'll go get him because he 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:20.800 because of Max. 1:58:21.280 --> 1:58:23.840 You know, well, we'll find out for sure if if 1:58:24.160 --> 1:58:26.800 you know, if he has any trouble with Mac, because 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:29.040 if they end up taking a guy like Levis, especially 1:58:29.200 --> 1:58:32.000 somewhere there in the first round, then we know, Okay, Well, 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:33.960 then why the hell didn't they trade Mac when they 1:58:33.960 --> 1:58:35.680 could have? I mean, that's what I would ask. 1:58:36.120 --> 1:58:39.080 Because because the Texan I'm sorry, I mean to get. 1:58:39.040 --> 1:58:41.600 Y'all start, that's right, No, no, go ahead. 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:44.280 Because the Texan does a night. Because I brought it 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:48.400 up with PU. They just came out and said they 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:50.840 might not take a quarterback in the second round. They 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:53.040 thinking about trading for you the tree Lance or mac Jones. 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:58.800 And they named him too pacifically, okay, and they named 1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:01.200 him partifically. They didn't say, well, we'll try about Sam, 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:03.640 might get another veteran. I just they said Trey Lance 1:59:03.720 --> 1:59:06.680 or mac Jones. But they said Matt first, then Trey Lance, 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:09.840 you know, and just build up their defense with the 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:12.200 piece they need and then if next year it was 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:15.720 the better a group of quarterbacks, you know, to make 1:59:15.760 --> 1:59:18.560 you one next year. But he's gonna try to run 1:59:18.600 --> 1:59:20.800 it like San Francisco Dad when they brought party again. 1:59:21.000 --> 1:59:24.360 That's why Trey Lance now is despendable, which is tricky 1:59:24.360 --> 1:59:27.120 because you got rid of Jimmy. I'll keep Trey Lance 1:59:27.240 --> 1:59:30.000 just for the backup, just in case, but he can't 1:59:30.080 --> 1:59:32.600 something after party. But Perry prove he can run run 1:59:32.640 --> 1:59:33.080 the offense. 1:59:33.520 --> 1:59:36.360 All right, So, Eldred, I'm gonna I'll put you on 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:38.920 the spot here. You gotta answer the question. If I'm 1:59:39.000 --> 1:59:42.240 Bill Belichick, I would draft who. 1:59:43.560 --> 1:59:45.880 I'm like everybody else, even though I'm a wide receiver guy. 1:59:46.840 --> 1:59:50.800 I'll go up and get gun dollars and uh hip 1:59:50.840 --> 1:59:53.280 out with my defense because them little show corners ain't 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:55.360 gonna come nobody. I'm sorry, you ain't got speed on 1:59:55.480 --> 1:59:58.840 the iight, I'll get him and then I will double 1:59:58.880 --> 2:00:00.760 dip in the stuck in the third and get me 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.960 another corner. So you wide receivers. 2:00:03.560 --> 2:00:06.360 Are deep, okay? All right? So all right, So you 2:00:06.360 --> 2:00:08.040 think the wide receivers are deep enough where they can 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:10.400 go get somebody later, and you'd take two corners with 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:11.640 your first two picks. 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:16.000 I will cost be honest with you, Bill, he ain't 2:00:16.040 --> 2:00:18.400 thinking like the NFL that uh that you know you 2:00:18.440 --> 2:00:20.800 got to air the ball out to throw. Uh, I'm 2:00:20.840 --> 2:00:23.040 like Andy Games, I'm passing by. He still think it's 2:00:23.080 --> 2:00:26.760 a nineteen ninety Yeah, So uh, I beat up my 2:00:26.800 --> 2:00:30.320 defense with those corners because, like you said, you got 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:33.240 Myles Bright no Jaalen Mills. 2:00:33.320 --> 2:00:33.360 No. 2:00:34.440 --> 2:00:37.760 I love the kids from last year, but he's fired. 2:00:37.800 --> 2:00:39.400 They good to the spot. But you ain't gonna get 2:00:39.440 --> 2:00:42.360 speed and tall guys fish for back that they we're 2:00:42.360 --> 2:00:44.800 gonna be facing this year. So you gotta get somebody. 2:00:44.840 --> 2:00:47.280 And I wouldn't put him on the bench. They're gonna 2:00:47.400 --> 2:00:51.240 just start, you know, and get your liscense in early, 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:54.040 get your headaches in early. Because this is not a 2:00:54.080 --> 2:00:56.800 rebuilt of just not just not what you call just 2:00:56.880 --> 2:00:58.720 rebi go to the super Bowl. This gonna be a 2:00:58.720 --> 2:01:01.440 retuning for for a minute that you shouldn't. You would 2:01:01.440 --> 2:01:03.440 have had that last year if you picked one last 2:01:03.480 --> 2:01:06.920 year instead of cold range. It didn't get another corner, 2:01:06.960 --> 2:01:09.040 but you got a guard. But I wouldn't be surprised 2:01:09.080 --> 2:01:11.120 if you got alignment. If they trade down to get alignment, 2:01:11.440 --> 2:01:13.440 but I'll trade up get guns dollars. That's my pick 2:01:13.840 --> 2:01:14.400 what I would do. 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:18.240 Okay, all right, And I'm actually a little surprised that 2:01:18.320 --> 2:01:21.120 you were going defense. But okay, I like your reasoning. 2:01:21.120 --> 2:01:22.800 It's fine. I thought for sure you'd go for the 2:01:22.800 --> 2:01:24.920 separation guy on offense. 2:01:24.960 --> 2:01:26.720 I do I want, I want him, ain't gonna liketch you. 2:01:26.720 --> 2:01:29.320 I ain't gonna nothing that I want. Quitting Johnson bad. 2:01:29.400 --> 2:01:32.000 But right now you need help on that defense. What 2:01:32.120 --> 2:01:34.840 you trying to score? If you can't stop him from scoring? 2:01:34.880 --> 2:01:37.880 If you can't, okay, But conversely, if you don't learn 2:01:37.920 --> 2:01:40.480 how to outscore teams like Buffalo, how are you gonna 2:01:40.520 --> 2:01:41.480 beat them? 2:01:41.960 --> 2:01:42.440 Exactly? 2:01:42.640 --> 2:01:46.040 So you know, well, that's yeah, and john and like you, 2:01:46.160 --> 2:01:48.360 I like Johnson too, so that you know that would 2:01:48.360 --> 2:01:50.160 be because I don't think Flowers would be around, but 2:01:50.200 --> 2:01:53.600 I think Johnson could be. And I think Johnson is 2:01:53.800 --> 2:01:55.920 potentially an obtainable receiver. 2:01:57.440 --> 2:02:03.080 Right, but I heard, uh cover these marks. It's twenty 2:02:03.120 --> 2:02:06.839 fifth to not twenty sixty whatever. Well, Buffalo is to Buffalo, 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:08.840 and then some got him going somewhere, but some of 2:02:08.880 --> 2:02:10.280 them got him going in the second round. 2:02:10.360 --> 2:02:13.480 Yeah, Well that's what I'm Yeah, that's what I'm banking on. 2:02:13.800 --> 2:02:16.360 He slides to the second Patrick take a chance, maybe 2:02:16.400 --> 2:02:18.320 even to move up in the second to take a 2:02:18.360 --> 2:02:18.760 guy like. 2:02:18.680 --> 2:02:22.360 That, I will host so but if he's gone, Bill, 2:02:22.760 --> 2:02:26.120 get the confound corner, quit being stubborn and leave maclone. 2:02:26.160 --> 2:02:28.000 That's all you got to do it. It was your 2:02:28.120 --> 2:02:30.800 problem that calls this did like you just throw it 2:02:30.800 --> 2:02:33.560 Winn's career. You try to throw a Max now and 2:02:33.760 --> 2:02:34.720 I still say that. 2:02:35.720 --> 2:02:38.200 I love it. I love it. Eldred, be safe out 2:02:38.240 --> 2:02:40.320 on the road, my man. Will you all right, sir? 2:02:40.360 --> 2:02:41.680 You have a good one now, thanks. 2:02:41.440 --> 2:02:44.440 Buddy, all right, the one and only Eldred to North Carolina. 2:02:44.520 --> 2:02:47.480 What day we pick him for next month? Man? Thank you? 2:02:47.560 --> 2:02:50.600 So the last day of the month. Hell okay, So 2:02:50.680 --> 2:02:53.880 our next edition our post draft, and I guess I 2:02:53.880 --> 2:02:57.720 should say post OTA because we'll have OTA's coming up 2:02:57.760 --> 2:03:00.400 beginning in May. As you know, we'll actually have players 2:03:00.440 --> 2:03:02.280 on the field and guys will can sign everything, and 2:03:02.360 --> 2:03:04.280 it won't be mini camp yet. Mini camp will roll 2:03:04.320 --> 2:03:07.800 around in June, but there will be OTA's beginning in 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:13.280 May about mid May, early to mid May. And so yeah, 2:03:13.280 --> 2:03:16.960 that's right. Oh yeah, so that's right. I totally forgot 2:03:17.000 --> 2:03:19.480 that the schedule will be coming out probably in the 2:03:19.480 --> 2:03:21.960 next week. I would say in the next week. And 2:03:22.000 --> 2:03:25.640 if you're listening here, you know, to the pod. Before 2:03:25.720 --> 2:03:27.720 the draft. The schedule be out very surely, so we'll 2:03:27.760 --> 2:03:30.040 have the schedule to talk about. We can run through 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:32.600 some of the wins and the losses, the trouble spots, 2:03:32.640 --> 2:03:35.839 the good spots. We'll understand a little bit more certainly. 2:03:35.880 --> 2:03:38.320 We'll recap on the draft and see where the Patriots 2:03:38.320 --> 2:03:42.240 fit into this ever improving, ever crowded now AFC East picture, 2:03:42.600 --> 2:03:46.440 which is just extraordinary. And we'll also have the the 2:03:46.480 --> 2:03:49.600 winner in our draft contest. Today. We've had let's see, 2:03:50.080 --> 2:03:54.320 Jackson Dijigbo, We've had Broderick Jones, We've had Zave Flowers, 2:03:54.960 --> 2:04:01.800 We've had bj Jean Robinson, We've had Banks, Murphy, Zales, Anderson. Okay, 2:04:01.840 --> 2:04:04.520 these are all the guys that we've had. Gonzalez is 2:04:04.560 --> 2:04:06.800 the one that was selected the most. The Patriots trade 2:04:06.880 --> 2:04:11.360 up to go take Gonzales the corner from Oregon. Three 2:04:11.360 --> 2:04:14.960 people selected that. So if that happens and they take him, 2:04:15.000 --> 2:04:17.520 then we'll choose from a hat. We'll see who wins, 2:04:18.160 --> 2:04:20.360 and either we'll do it on May thirty first, or 2:04:20.400 --> 2:04:22.240 we'll do it in June one of the other, whatever's 2:04:22.440 --> 2:04:25.320 easiest for whoever wins the contest if you're listening to 2:04:25.360 --> 2:04:28.560 the pod before the draft. So if you're listening shall 2:04:28.600 --> 2:04:31.040 we say here Wednesday night or Thursday during the day 2:04:31.080 --> 2:04:35.400 before the draft begins on Thursday night, you can still 2:04:36.080 --> 2:04:41.400 throw your pick in. Send me a tweet at JR Broadcaster. Okay, 2:04:41.680 --> 2:04:45.160 tell me who you think Bill Belichick should select at 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:48.600 number fourteen. That's what I want you to do. And 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:51.760 if you come up good and the Patriots make that pick, 2:04:52.240 --> 2:04:55.800 you're in the runner fair enough. Thanks to Evan Lazar 2:04:55.880 --> 2:04:57.720 for all the heavy lifting and the heavy work, and 2:04:57.840 --> 2:05:01.720 Matt you're appreciated. As always, we've got May thirty first 2:05:01.720 --> 2:05:05.440 coming up for our next edition of Patriots Playbook. Enjoy the Draft, 2:05:05.440 --> 2:05:12.720 everybody I know I will. 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