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Speaker 1: We've got former All star, sixteen year big league your

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Speaker 1: former MLB coach, Wally Joiner joining us right now. Wally,

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Speaker 1: great to see you. And also we've got Eric Kratz

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Speaker 1: from his bunker. So I apologize because I know that

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Speaker 1: you too have a history.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad history. So how far are you awake? Kratzy?

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Speaker 2: Are we close? Too close? No, we're good.

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Speaker 3: Good the statute of limitations, you're you're close, you're within you,

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Speaker 3: you're outside of the five hundred mile radius. So we're

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Speaker 3: good right now.

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Speaker 4: What did you do to him? What was it? Twenty thirteen? Krats?

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Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen? He was a hitting coach my only year

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Speaker 3: where I spent the entire season in the big leagues,

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Speaker 3: And so basically I made him quit, Like I'm good

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Speaker 3: on like half a year's stint. If I can spend

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Speaker 3: time with a hitting coach for half a year, they

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Speaker 3: won't go crazy. So he ended up quitting baseball forever

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Speaker 3: after that.

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Speaker 2: Almost a true story.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's actually a good way to kick this off.

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Speaker 1: How rewarding at times but also of devastating at times?

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Speaker 4: Can it be as a hitting coach in Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 1: Where the first sign of an issue with the offense

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Speaker 1: is your fault.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's more devastating than rewarding. But when the team wins,

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Speaker 2: it's because the front office put a good team together.

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Speaker 2: When the team loses, what's wrong with the hitters? Waally. So, No,

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. It was a tough job, but I

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Speaker 2: coached for the Phillies for one year and then I

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Speaker 2: went to Detroit for three years. I had a couple

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Speaker 2: of great hitting teams to work with, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it was just a lot of fun to go out

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Speaker 2: and watch them play. It was rewarding. I'm finished, I've retired.

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Speaker 2: I'm playing this game now behind us and not very

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Speaker 2: well at that. But I enjoy it. But no, I

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Speaker 2: love Philly. What a great team, what a great town.

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Speaker 2: And it's a pleasure being with you guys today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, Kratz, you can speak to observing

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Speaker 3: Now never they never get enough credit. They never get

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Speaker 3: enough credit. It's one of those things. I think it's

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Speaker 3: like a year and a half as the average lifespan

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Speaker 3: of a hitting coach in the Big leagues. Wally j

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Speaker 3: assistant hitting coach, moved up to the head guy keeping

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Speaker 3: his job in Detroit for three years. Feels like, feels

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Speaker 3: like it was good. But I have to appreciate it

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Speaker 3: because because in Detroit, I then got traded in fourteen

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Speaker 3: out how to make the Tigers not hit anymore. So

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Speaker 3: I figured it was either me and my game calling,

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Speaker 3: or it was Wally and being a.

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Speaker 2: Hitting Kich probably a little of both. Cratzy, probably a

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Speaker 2: little of both. That was a tough bullpen to get

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Speaker 2: to with the Royals. So yeah, it was some long

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you first off about a couple

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Speaker 1: your career. So you want to Pennant with San Diego

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, Do you see what the scene

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Speaker 1: is like now for the Padres and go, Wow, that's impressident.

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Speaker 2: No, it is impressive and it's exciting to watch. I

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Speaker 2: think we're talking today about a team tied with the Dodgers, right,

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Speaker 2: we are in the first place until yesterday. It's going

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Speaker 2: to go down to the last game. I remember one

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Speaker 2: of my years, it might have been ninety six, or

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Speaker 2: ninety eight, it went down to the last game against

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Speaker 2: the Padres and Dodgers we swept them to win the

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Speaker 2: National League West. So exciting times in southern California Right now,

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Speaker 2: What was.

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Speaker 1: It like then, ballpark wise? Because I've been there a

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Speaker 1: They sail out basically every night.

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Speaker 4: It's a shot.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're probably only seeing about half of what it

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Speaker 2: was like in the late nineties because we played at Qualcomm,

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Speaker 2: Braves came out for the Nash League pennant, and then

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Speaker 3: Should the stadiums be bigger? Like, I mean, you talk

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Speaker 3: about like sixty five thousand in those in those days

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Speaker 2: Well, you have the two extremes, as you mentioned, sixty

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Speaker 2: in the American League, we went to the old ballpark

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Speaker 2: they were in last place. But the Indians picked it

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you need a big stadium to win, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: talk you talk about your you talk about your you know,

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Speaker 3: playing in the American League, playing in the National League.

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Speaker 3: We talk about umpires all the time on our show.

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Speaker 3: Your story about going from the American League to the

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Speaker 3: in my memory, and only because you are a great storyteller.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us what the umpire told you the

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how much time I have. But

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Speaker 2: I played ten years in the American League and I

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Speaker 2: I thought you had to be a complete Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball player if you got kicked out of a ball game, right.

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Speaker 2: That was one box that I wasn't checking off. And

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Speaker 2: for ten years I got along well with everybody. I

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Speaker 2: in the Senior circuit and I thought baseball was baseball,

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Speaker 2: but the Senior Circuit was in the National League, and

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Speaker 2: all of these umpires had a chip on their shoulder,

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Speaker 2: just too much. I got kicked out of a game

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Speaker 2: in Philly, finally, and I was the happiest guy on

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Speaker 2: was some really unremarkable comments during the argument about getting

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Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna we're gonna set a precedent with

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Speaker 2: all of these American leaguers coming over to the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Wow, they're like, oh, look at this American League comoers.

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Speaker 2: I actually told the story this morning, one of my

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Speaker 2: It was my first year playing for the Angels Friday

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Speaker 2: up to the plate and there was an umpire I

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Speaker 2: said hello to. His name was Derwood Merrill, good old

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Speaker 2: I get in the batter's box. First pitch was a

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Speaker 2: which a lot of the umpires did. But you know

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Speaker 2: a lot of great stories.

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Speaker 4: Great good, that's good.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, things are going to change they've been changing,

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Speaker 1: but they're really going to change next year if we

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Speaker 4: Like tap the head.

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Speaker 1: Hey, sorry, buddy, hate to do this for a your

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Speaker 1: nice guy, but we don't play like that just because

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Speaker 4: He doesn't get a foot off the plate.

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Speaker 2: Well, I you know, listen, I was old school. I

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Speaker 2: they're doing. I'm really excited to see what happens with

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Speaker 2: the strike zone. I saw it a few times. Quickly

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Speaker 2: you want the pitcher not to throw very many pitches, right,

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Speaker 2: and so there's a there was a miscall which could

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Speaker 2: They went to the replay, it was a strike three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be career all through stuff, which is

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Speaker 1: what replay has done too, you know, every time when

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Speaker 1: I want to take you to the Angels. So yeah

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know it's frustrating for for ex players.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that he's you know, his intentions were

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Speaker 1: Right right, right, This is a microcosm of what Cubs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it stings a lot right now for Angels fans.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I'll take us to a different subject.

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Speaker 1: I was looking back. You were in the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: Daryl Strawberry allegedly allegedly. Okay, Well there's more to the story.

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Speaker 2: I won. You want we can tie?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Do you what do you have? What happened?

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Speaker 2: My my? I'm old, but I thought I won. But

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Speaker 2: I didn't have that his one was equal to my two,

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, it's like three point ball or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Love, I'm confused.

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Speaker 3: So you tied? You have the same I don't. I'm

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Speaker 2: I I've heard both stories. I'll stay with the one

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Speaker 1: So hey, they were still convesion this year when Kyle

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Speaker 4: They're right, guys, can we be transparent about this?

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Speaker 2: I did like the way they finished the All Star

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Speaker 1: I figured you'd like that, Love, that's basically the antithesis

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Speaker 2: You're much better than ending the game and the time. Yes, right,

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Speaker 2: The Yankees weren't doing very well. Mike wit threw a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The rest of that story was the Yankees came

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Speaker 2: Think it was a fan. Yeah, he was angry about

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Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, yeah, they come on. But that

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Speaker 3: I did not know that story. They I mean, they

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Speaker 2: For you, Jay, it was really a jungle. It was

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Speaker 2: uh you know, listen. I love Yankee Stadium. The old

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Speaker 4: Right right.

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Speaker 1: That's why sometimes people are like, oh, fans are getting

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Speaker 4: All right, let's finish on a high note.

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Speaker 1: Person, you're most excited to spend time with this week

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Speaker 2: No this, uh, this opportunity. I got invited about a

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Speaker 2: I saw Bernie Nichols, who I've been with for about

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Speaker 2: I just don't embarrass myself. Some great players. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: That would still be above that's about fifty percent right

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Speaker 4: Okay, just just beat Kevin Mallar for it.

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Speaker 2: I could do. I played with him tomorrow in our

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Speaker 1: Tell him it's hot, you know, cocktails the little thing, right,

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Speaker 1: just take care of him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, all right, Hydra, right.

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Speaker 2: All right, gratch you good to see you. Good to

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