WEBVTT - Selects: What was the Philadelphia Experiment? 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:03.520 Hey, everybody, it's me your old friend Josh, And for 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.240 this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen a 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:11.680 classic episode about the Philadelphia Experiment, weird urban legend about 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.440 a World War two naval experiment gone awry that I 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.080 have to say I found oddly satisfying to explain away 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.239 because I used to be really into this whole urban 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.800 legend when I was a younger kid, back when I 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.800 had my Time Life paranormal book series. So it was 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.319 very fun to revisit it and then debunk it. I 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.080 hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did. It's 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:39.720 from October two thousand fifteen, so getty up and enjoy. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.600 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:52.760 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.320 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a special 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.000 edition of Stuff You Should Know because Jerry is transmorgified 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.400 into guest part Noel, which is requires quite a bit 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.400 of alchemy, it does, and a little bit of alcohol. Yeah, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:15.480 and some uh like a magnificent brown bearded nice. There's 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.280 a woodchuck waving from that looking good nol. Yeah, Jerry's 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.880 gone on top secret mission. You can't talk about it. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.040 That's what makes a top secret. You're talking about it 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.640 right now. But she's coming back at some point. Don't worry. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.280 She's not left this forever. No, this is a stint 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.960 by guest producer Noel. We'll have to make a sweet 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.319 out of it. Yeah, uh, Noel produced shows you should 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:43.200 know Summer of Sam Death, Sweet Nol stint. No stint. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:49.760 That sounds gross. How you doing, man, I'm great. I'm 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.080 so used to reading adds these days that like I 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.760 just panicked, like I lost my place, and then I 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.760 was like, oh, yeah, it's the actual podcast. He was 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:02.120 ramble and stall as long as they need too. You 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.160 remember this from your being a kid? Was this in 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.200 your wheelhouse? To filip? The movie was watched the last night? Sure? 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.160 Did you really? Yes? It is basically I mean, the 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.000 plot makes sense, but it's like a fifteen minute plot. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.040 They manage a lot of chasing in. Yeah, they really 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.359 really draw it out. They really gussie. Yeah, they drew 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.840 it out. But the idea behind it, especially when let's 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.680 see I was eight and I was this was about 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.720 the time where I'm like, I'm going to Duke University 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.560 study parapsychology when I get older. When you're eight. Yeah, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.960 I didn't know what college was when I was eight. Definitely. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.960 That was in my wheelhouse. Really yeah. Um, so this 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.720 was like right up my alley. Now that I watched 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.360 it as a child, I'm like, Man, I was an 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.080 idiot when I was eight. But it was pretty cool 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.160 that The special effects are like eighties rific. Oh yes, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.120 they do not hold up. No, but I mean, if 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.000 you're a fan of tronn Video Drome, yeah, you're gonna 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.960 love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey and 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:10.400 um robot CoP's partner. Yeah, Nancy Allen? She who what 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.560 else was she in? Famously she was in a bunch 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.560 of eighties movies. What was her big one though? Or 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.800 was she always like co starring the female lead? I 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.920 think yeah, I don't think she was ever like the 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.040 lead in a movie. They didn't make movies with female 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.720 leads in the eighties. I can't remember in this context, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.520 are we allowed to say female or should it be 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.440 the girl lead? They didn't. They didn't make leads with 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.840 women as the lead in the eighties. They're all just 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.440 there to prop up the dudes working girl that was 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:46.360 in the eighties. Good point nine to five? Three ladies, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.960 all right, to take it back few and four between 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.320 what I'm I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.600 and well you should and you're like, no, look at 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.880 nine to five. I'm just saying it's I mean, there 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.040 were some Yeah, yeah, I agree with you that. I 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.120 don't mean to argue You're right, it's a few. There 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.760 were a few and far between. That's what you call 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:10.040 a trap. What about Barbarella? Yeah that was seventies or 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:14.480 was it sixties? I think the sixties? Yeah, yeah. Jane Fonda, Well, 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.120 just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment, you and 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.960 I know how to draw out a fifteen minute plot. Hey. Also, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.880 I wanted to point out Michael Parrey disappeared in Eddie 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.360 and the Cruisers. Oh was it was he in that? 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.760 He was Eddie? Was the Was that based on Bruce 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.160 Springsteen or something like that? Was it based on any 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.039 real life band? No? I mean it echoed he was. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.480 He was Springsteen esque, But it wasn't like you know, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.159 I think they were just I think the right was like, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.000 who do I like? Yeah? I like Springsteen, So let's 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.719 get John Caffrey to to sing like Springsteen and put 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.520 Michael Parrey to lip sync. Wow, that's a Eddie, That's 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.839 that's eighties riffic too. And I saw John Cafferty in 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.480 concerts in the eighties that hoew what else is he in? Now? 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.680 He was the band, He was the real band, John 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.799 Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band. They sang those songs 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.800 for real. And I saw them a concert at six Flags. Wow, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.599 how about that? And they've now become the Zach Brown Band. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.720 That's right right? Who looks like nol? Full circle? Full circle? 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.400 We just did it? Can we be done? Now? So 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.080 the Philadelphia experiment, I guess was right up Michael Perey's 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:31.360 um Ali because echoed real life too in a way. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.760 In a way, the makers went back and read a 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.440 couple of books that purported to be nonfiction accounts of 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.880 this incredible experiment carried out by the Navy. So incredible, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.760 and we should probably let's let's describe the experiment to 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.480 begin with right experiments, we should say, yeah, that's true, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.120 this article gets it wrong. Yeah, on how stuff works? Yeah. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:59.760 There were two separate things, both involving the destroyership called 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.680 the SS Eldridge recently commissioned. Uh, summer of nineteen three 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.440 is when it began July, I think, And what supposedly 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.360 happened was that there was um this ship and there 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.000 was a big secret navy experiment that who's what's aim 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:21.000 was to make the ship disappear. Yeah, not just to 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.159 like radar something like that, but if there was a 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.680 guy with the periscope, he would look right past the 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.120 ship because it had been made invisible, essentially invisible. And 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.960 then the story goes that that was successful. It was 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.479 a successful experiment that was carried out. It disappeared in 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.960 full view and broad daylight. Uh. And from the was 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.920 it the Philadelphia shipyard and then reappeared. There's a big 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:49.480 glow and then it reappeared and all the sailors aboard, 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.080 we're in bad shape. So did that take place in 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.080 July or was that took place in July? Okay, well, okay, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.240 then it happened again in October and then the second experience. Yeah, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.640 then they read the experiments. Supposedly the ship disappeared and 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.440 popped up in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and then then reappeared 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.600 ten minutes prior so at time traveled back ten minutes 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.800 in to Philadelphia again right, which again the sailors were 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:21.520 in bad shape even by teleportation standards. That's impossible, you 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.680 know what I mean. Yeah, And supposedly these uh the 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:30.480 shipmen were umu semen were Some were caught like in 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.400 the middle of the ship right, like crazed and crazy. Right. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.080 So basically the implication is is that they had been 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.360 some sort of in some fashion molecularly disintegrated along with 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.040 the ship, and then when it was brought back together, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:49.320 the coordinates were maybe off slightly, maybe the ship and 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.119 the people were where they were ten minutes earlier, and 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.120 things just went a little haywire, Like my upper halves 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.760 on the Leado deck and my lower halfs on the 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.720 uh or the other decks on the Love the Man. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.720 That's the only decade I know, the party deck, the 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:12.080 Tango Debth, the Tango Debt, yeah, uh and the the 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.720 and I'm still alive. And I've also gone mad because 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.200 my brain didn't configure back correctly either. Yes, and this 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.600 was all possible thanks to um Albert Einstein working with 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.040 the Navy and teaching them all those little tricks on 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.040 how you can make ships disappear in time travel. Specifically, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.520 the theory is that UM or the rumor, the conjecture, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:38.760 the conspiracy theory is that um Albert Einstein figured out 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.199 the unified field theory, which is not true. He did 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.200 not basically the theory of everything. No, it frustrated him 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.840 for his whole life. UM there's this idea in physics 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:57.400 that there's possibly one explanation for the behavior of everything 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.959 in the universe. Right now, we've got a pretty good theory. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.559 I think the theory of special relativity ties in three 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.280 of the fundamental forces in the universe, but gravity is 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.439 this outlier that can't be tied in through physics formulas. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.880 And they think that there's some way of understanding things 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.760 to where everything ties together. And as I think Michio 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.680 Kaku famously put it, um he said that what they're 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.439 searching for with a unified field theory is within formula 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.600 and inch long you'll be able to read God's mind. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.360 And so the idea is that that Einstein came up 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.240 with this unified the field theory, again not true, and 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.280 that it was used to understand how to teleport things. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.680 So they used this understanding to carry out an experiment 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.760 with a bunch of navy seamen on a destroyer in 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.679 broad daylight, because you can you can imagine the advantage 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.440 to be able to make your ship invisible. But not 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.839 only that, if you could figure out how to teleport it. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.280 Like you're You're done, dude, no more war, because you 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.160 would win them all and the rest of the world 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.520 would just cower at your invisible feed. Yeah, you just 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.040 suddenly pop up behind your enemy, put him in a 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.400 full nelson and be like you give your give. You'd 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.040 be like give and that's it. You just let him 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:13.800 go and be like this right, and you tell port 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.600 out of there. You see how easily that could happen. 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.960 Nazi unified field theory. Alright, so the Philadelphia experiment never 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:26.640 happened like that at least. What we'll go ahead and 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.480 not give any credence to the conspiracy theorists out there, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.880 although we'll probably get a couple of people that emailed 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.839 in Oh man, this is this is like a nucleus 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:42.120 of conspiracy theory. It ties in UFOs, ties in theoretical physics. Yeah, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.360 the US government of course, yep, ginormous cover up um 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.319 it ties in all these different things. And it's really 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.880 really interesting if you go read this stuff. It's it's 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.199 it's to me. It's more interesting than just just UFO 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.040 conspiracy theory. You're just government cover up conspiracy theory. It's 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.560 like a clearing house of conspiracy theories all tied up 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.600 into one package. On the secret experiment that, if you 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.719 listen to the Navy's official line, never took place. There 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.880 never was a Philadelphia experiment. There never was. It was 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.359 also known as Project Rainbow. There was never a Project Rainbow. Um, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.480 it just didn't happen. The whole thing was made up 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.040 out of whole cloth, apparently by a guy named Carlos 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.040 m Yeah, and there were there was a couple of 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.119 hinky details. Will go over why this thing has survived 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.559 a little bit later, But there are a few hinky details, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.000 not to make it believable, but that just have fueled 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.600 the fire over the years. And let's let's take a 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.600 break right here, Chuck, because I'm getting a little over excited. Okay, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:12:04.040 just put this under your tongue. You'll be fun. Okay, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:09.760 all right, wake up, buddy, what we're back? Okay? How 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.160 much time has passed in your mind? Millions of years? 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.280 So it's only been about three hours. Do you feel arrested. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.920 I do feel very refreshed. Good, Well, we can continue. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.800 So you tease a man name, Well, he had some 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:33.240 different names, Carl m Allen or under his pseudonym Carlos Miguel. Yeah, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.280 he's like, hey, let me throw a d E on 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.360 the end. I'll sound mysterious. Yeah, and Os and the 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:46.040 D so in NFT six, I was gonna get in 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:47.600 the way back machine, but I don't think we should 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.640 even bother for this. No, this actually proves there is 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.679 no way back machine. That's right. So in real time, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.320 uh Allende sent Um a letter, and he would go 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.640 on to send about fifty more letters to an author 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.720 named Morris Jessup, who wrote a book a year earlier 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.320 called The Case for the UFO Yes, which you can 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.720 find on the podcast page for this episode. Yeah, and 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.600 he's a he was an author. He's like a legit 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.520 dude that wrote a bunch of books. I mean, well, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.960 I mean I don't mean legit is in like he 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.800 proved any science behind UFOs, but he was. He authored 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.600 books for real. Yes, he wasn't printing man, he wasn't 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:34.680 just publishing manifestos online. And he was a conspiratorially minded investigator. Yeah, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.840 but if you read like his writing, it was just 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.520 nothing but conjecture. Nothing. There was nothing in it but conjecture. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.240 But then it as fact and he even says like 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.280 these are, uh there are three basic proven facts about this, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.760 and then here's some more facts. And it's like, you know, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.160 these aren't facts at all, but it's really fascinating stuff. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.440 Maybe he doesn't know what facts are. Maybe so uh 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.200 So he got these letters and um in these tersh 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.040 At first there were some attacks on him and from 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.480 from Alan saying, you don't know what you're talking about. Man, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.679 You're getting this unified field theory all wrong. And I 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.760 know because Einstein spent several weeks with me teaching the 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.000 stuff himself. Yeah, and not only that. So it's like 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.000 cuckoo pot writes crackpot, right, And he was saying, like, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.440 I can prove that that unified field theory has been 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.840 mastered by describing this experiment that took place from Philadelphia 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:35.120 in nineteen three concerning one US destroyer called the USS Eldridge. Yes, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.440 and he said, I know this because I was there, buddy. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.120 I was on a ship in that harbor, and there 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.480 were other ships in the harbor. That seems to be 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.000 the only part that's true. Yeah, I mean this is 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.040 a place where ships are being outfitted, like throughout the 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080 summer and fall. Yeah, it was the war, that's right. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.320 So he claimed that he was on one of these ships. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.520 He said, I witnessed this, uh in person, I saw 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.360 this green glow. I saw this thing disappear. Not only 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.680 that he could come, he could see the field that 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:10.200 was created by this this um experiment, and he stuck 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:15.240 his arm into it. He was that close. Stuff of movies, right, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:21.440 stuff of movies. Yeah. So he sends his letters, and 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.960 he sends like fifty of them. Yeah, and Jessup said, uh, 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.520 you know what, let me investigate this a little bit 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.880 because I'm a crackpot too. I get where you're coming from. Yeah, 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.640 so let me just check into this. Who's right of 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.760 my Yeah, thank you for these? Uh, let me look 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.200 into this a little bit. And he basically gave up 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.520 because the dude could produce. He g asked him for 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.280 some evidence or names anything. He had nothing. He didn't. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.640 He just said, here's the story and it's fact, and 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.360 he goes. Um Carlos Allende, who by then I think 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.200 had dropped the pseudonym right to Carl Allen, who knows. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.440 He might have called himself a big bird at that point. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.240 So he was, and he was a very disturbed man. Yeah, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.280 I'm joking, but yeah he had mental problem. He did. Um. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.440 But if you if you research him, and you research 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.760 even skeptics of the Philadelphia experiment, like the stuff he 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.360 was coming up with was really interesting stuff. Yeah, he 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.320 was good, a good writer, but he was a huge 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.440 confabulator as well. Sure, so um he's saying all this 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.080 is is fact and he uh, he's saying, I don't 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.960 know what the dates were, I don't know the people's 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.840 names or anything like that. But perhaps if I were 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.200 put under narco hypnosis, I would remember all this stuff. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.600 So you got any drugs. And about this time, Jessup 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.680 said I'm done with this. Right, he had actually moved 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:46.040 on because apparently the government had directly addressed UFO rumors 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.800 and now Jessip didn't do that. I'm sorry. Another guy 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.680 did um who was interested in researching Umen, But I'm 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.480 sure Jessip was like, I gotta get back to my 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:00.520 serious work. He did. But then something truly bizarre happened. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.679 And this did happen. He got a knock on his 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.760 door and two researchers from the Office of Naval Research 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.639 who would have been carrying out experiments like this, Hey, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.520 have you ever heard of a guy named Carlos Allende? 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.199 And you probably could have picked U M. K Jessup 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.320 off the floor, I would imagine so, because I mean yeah, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.040 he was like, it's all true, yeah, exactly, and he said, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.600 come in, come in, please have some tea, have some opiates. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.320 It was at this point and they said, you know what, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.760 we got a package a year ago. Um, and it 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.199 had a copy of your book, My Friend on the 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:46.560 UFOs and it was, um, yeah, it was annotated very 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:51.600 heavily by three people, well by by three sets of 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.800 ink and three types of handwriting, which were all clearly 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.040 from Carl Allen. Well they were to MK Jessup, who 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.840 corresponded with Allen for well over fifty letters. Right, yeah, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.040 he said, I'm not fooled this guy, Jimmy, J E, M. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.600 I who may have been an alien. It's it's Carl 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.760 Allen and Mr A and Mr B or both Carl Allen. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.560 They're they're all Carl Allen. But regardless of whether they 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.800 were all one, dude, the annotations had fascinated these two 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:24.679 navy researchers enough that they supposedly, as far as the 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.800 Office of Naval Research officially says, they took it upon 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.840 themselves and paid out of their own pockets. And I 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:34.400 guess took vacation time to go find uh m K jessup. Yeah, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.120 I haven't found. I saw a bunch of conflicting reports 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.720 on that, whether or not. And this is what conspiracy 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.000 theoristal point to that either it was official business or 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.640 they did it on their own. Either way, they say 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.720 that that means something and I've heard it explained away 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.360 is it was just something on their list that they 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.520 eventually had to get to. That seems like a terrible explanation. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.840 I think this adds like a real wrinkle of the story, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.320 whether purposefully or it's just something that can't be very 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.280 easily explained away. Maybe it is it was just these 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.720 guys were really interested in this. Maybe they were into 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.199 UFO stuff or whatever. It doesn't matter, the fact that 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.560 those two guys showed up gives this thing legs for miles, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.119 you know, And it's just awesome that that happened, because 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.919 that has kept this thing alive in part. Yeah, and 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.119 the box came to them marked Happy Easter, which sounds 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:31.360 kind of funny. And uh it had weird punctuation and capitalizations, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.760 all the marks of a madman, right, Um. But again, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.480 like the stuff he was saying was it was. It 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.720 was curiosity arousing in these guys. And they actually took 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.840 um and again supposedly paid for our their own pocket, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:50.040 the annotated version of the case for UFOs and published 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.679 it with the annotations. Uh. They had a contractor, a 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.360 military contractor called Vero Technologies I think, and UM had 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.879 them published it, which is weird, especially if they were 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.399 doing it on their own pocket. But only a hundred 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.760 and twenty seven copies. Imagine it didn't cast that much. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.679 I saw even and they were like spiral bound, so 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.600 it wasn't a yeah fancy. I read a lot of 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.640 this and it's um, it's you know, it's like it's 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.879 really out there. Yeah, you know, sure, but I imagine 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.520 if you're uphone enthusiasts, it might interest you. I mean, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.399 if you read Um Morris Jessup stuff, it's out there too. Well. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.680 Imagine meeting that with the annotation from the other dude. Yeah, 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.480 I was gonna say, get the impression that it was 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.080 Carlos and stuff is even more out there. Yeah, you 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.840 can get online. It's on there's PDFs of it if 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.080 you want to of the vero. Well, yeah, but supposedly 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.360 there's a lot of forged copies as well in circulation. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.720 I don't know. To seem real, Um, why would someone 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.680 take the time to forge a copy of the crack 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.879 Pot Manifesto? That's the question we should all be asking ourselves. So, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.320 um Jessup's story uh ends just a couple of years later. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.280 He was down on his luck and he got injured 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.120 really badly in a car accident, had a bad breakup 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.879 with his wife, and he killed himself. He put a 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.360 hose from his car exhausted into his window. And this 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.560 is one of the other reasons that conspiracy theory. Anytime 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.399 there's a suicide and there's the government involved, it's pretty 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.719 easy to say he didn't kill himself, the government killed him. Right. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.920 It's made all the more suspicious though, because Um supposedly 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.120 he that was the day that he was to meet 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.440 a friend who he had said he had told I've 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.320 made a breakthrough in the Philadelphia experiment case. And then 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.639 all of a sudden he turns up dead of a suicide. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.879 So well, I mean that, and the O n R 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.080 guys showing up at his door definitely has kept this 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.840 thing alive. It has uh um. Supposedly his friends came 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.600 out and said, now he was deeply depressed, and he 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.360 had talked of suicide in the months before he committed suicide. 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.600 But then I'm sure conspiracy theorists say they paid them 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.639 off me because people said, you can let my family 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:11.360 go down. Maybe what he said. And the Eldridge had 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.320 a pretty uh well, it didn't go on to like 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.000 great things. It was sold to Grease or transfer Degrease, 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:23.640 renamed the HS leon Um, used in exercises, and then 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.880 sold for scrap metal in the ninety So no big 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.840 deal with the boat, right, No big So we'll take 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:31.520 another little break here and we'll come back and we'll 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:55.040 talk about what really happened in the Philadelphia shipyard that day. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:05.800 All right, really happened, Josh, Nothing, that's supposedly what really 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.399 happened apparently on that day in the Naval shipyard. I 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.159 guess either July or October. But July, I think is 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.840 the one that people typically if they just think it 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.520 was a one day thing rather than two separate experiments. 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.800 It's usually July that they point to, which they did 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.800 in this article too. On that particular day, Um, the 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.639 US S. Eldridge wasn't even in Philadelphia. Yeah, this is 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.120 the part I don't understand. It was. Yeah. So here's 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.639 the thing. This is that revelation came out. We'll get 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.080 to that in a minute. Prior to this, there is 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.480 a researcher, he's an astrophysicist and you followed this named 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:45.040 Jacques Jacques f Valet, and he was actually the inspiration 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:49.639 for the upologist Frenchman character in Close Encounters of the 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.840 Third Kind. And he was also like a venture capitalist, 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:57.400 is a pretty sharp dude. He just had some unusual interests, right. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.640 But one of the things that he dedicated did himself 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.639 too was disproving the Philadelphia experiment, proving that it was 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.560 a hoax. He was a skeptic, right, in some manner. 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.960 He was a skeptic. Yeah, So he wrote a paper 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.320 and Um, in the paper he invited people to uh 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.440 to reach out to him if they had further information 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.480 about the Philadelphia experiment, and as a result, allegedly he 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:27.320 was contacted by a guy named Edward Dujon or Dudgeon. 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.479 Let's say Dudgeon. It's a little a little more pleasant 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.280 than Dujon. I bet his friend called him the Dungeon. Yeah, 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.440 I bet, you know, yeah, that's what I would have 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.960