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Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen a

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Speaker 1: classic episode about the Philadelphia Experiment, weird urban legend about

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Speaker 1: a World War two naval experiment gone awry that I

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Speaker 1: from October two thousand fifteen, so getty up and enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a special

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Speaker 1: edition of Stuff You Should Know because Jerry is transmorgified

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Speaker 1: into guest part Noel, which is requires quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of alchemy, it does, and a little bit of alcohol. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and some uh like a magnificent brown bearded nice. There's

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Speaker 1: gone on top secret mission. You can't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes a top secret. You're talking about it

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Speaker 1: right now. But she's coming back at some point. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: She's not left this forever. No, this is a stint

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Speaker 1: by guest producer Noel. We'll have to make a sweet

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Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, uh, Noel produced shows you should

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Speaker 1: know Summer of Sam Death, Sweet Nol stint. No stint.

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Speaker 1: That sounds gross. How you doing, man, I'm great. I'm

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Speaker 1: so used to reading adds these days that like I

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Speaker 1: remember this from your being a kid? Was this in

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Speaker 1: your wheelhouse? To filip? The movie was watched the last night? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Did you really? Yes? It is basically I mean, the

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Speaker 1: really draw it out. They really gussie. Yeah, they drew

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what college was when I was eight. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: was like right up my alley. Now that I watched

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Speaker 1: that The special effects are like eighties rific. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: you're a fan of tronn Video Drome, yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey and

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Speaker 1: um robot CoP's partner. Yeah, Nancy Allen? She who what

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Speaker 1: just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment, you and

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Speaker 1: There were two separate things, both involving the destroyership called

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Speaker 1: of conspiracy theory. It ties in UFOs, ties in theoretical physics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: never was a Philadelphia experiment. There never was. It was

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Speaker 1: a little bit later, But there are a few hinky details,

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Speaker 1: not to make it believable, but that just have fueled

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Speaker 1: break right here, Chuck, because I'm getting a little over excited. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, wake up, buddy, what we're back? Okay? How

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Speaker 1: much time has passed in your mind? Millions of years?

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Speaker 1: So it's only been about three hours. Do you feel arrested.

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Speaker 1: I do feel very refreshed. Good, Well, we can continue.

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Speaker 1: So you tease a man name, Well, he had some

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Speaker 1: illicit page papers, so I was under age and shouldn't

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00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: have been in the bar. And the bar the bartender

423
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: um took pity on me and another underage dude and

424
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: shoot us out the back door, and then pretended that

425
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: she'd never seeing us. So they disappeared. They disappeared exactly

426
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: out the back door. Another one, he says, Um, Well,

427
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: he explains the whole thing basically, right. He says. There

428
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: was no experiment like that, but they were doing something

429
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: that might have seemed freaky to the uninitiated, and that

430
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: was degossing the ships. Yeah. The time. Germany and I

431
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: guess everyone else really in the navy and the Navy's

432
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: around the world. Uh, they had magnetic uh mind sea

433
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: mines which would uh find your boat and you know, go,

434
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: who that's metal, let me go stick on that thing

435
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: and blow up. Yeah, and torpedoes that were magnetic seeking

436
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: to Yeah, and they thought, you know what, let's come

437
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: up with a way to make our ship pulls and

438
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: our metal parts UM non magnetic to these to these obstacles, right,

439
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: which is an established UM project I guess, or an

440
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: established what's the word I'm looking for process? So I

441
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: was close with projects. It was a real thing. Yeah,

442
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: it's called degossing, uh, and it basically either changes or

443
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: gets rid of the magnetism of something that was formerly magnetic,

444
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: like a ship's hull. It does not make it invisible

445
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the radar or otherwise, but it probably looks pretty weird, right,

446
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: So they wrapped the ships in hundreds and hundreds of

447
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: meters of cable UM and then ran a really high

448
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: voltage electrical charge through it, and supposedly this would demagnetize

449
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: the ships, which really came in handy because at the

450
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: time UM, just outside of UM America's coastal waters was

451
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: called the Graveyard of the Atlantic because German U boats

452
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: were running the show out there at this time, and

453
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: as we learned in our did Nazis invade Florida, they

454
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: sometimes were parked right off the coast exactly, so they

455
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: were taken out our destroyers and our cruisers and our battleships.

456
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: So this was a this is a big deal to

457
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: be able to do that kind of thing. Although and

458
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: it was classified stuff. It wasn't experimentation in anything that

459
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: hadn't been proven before. It was like, we're just de

460
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: magnetizing our battleships. Yeah, they could have had a big

461
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: sign up, said the gossing at work. Stand back. Yeah,

462
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't no big super secret thing, right, But if

463
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: you're a Nazi, don't read this sign right. Um. The

464
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: other thing that Dudgeon addressed was the concept that the

465
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: Eldridge disappeared from the Philadelphia shipyard, reappeared in Norfolk, and

466
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: then reappeared back in Philadelphia. Well, that happened, but it

467
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: just went there and then came back, right, But it

468
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: didn't happen in like five minutes or ten minutes or

469
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. But again he points out, like if you

470
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: weren't really if you were just casually paying attention, you

471
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: might have seen the Eldridge in Philadelphia that night and

472
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: then noticed it was missing late at night, and then

473
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: noticed it was back in the morning, which would seem

474
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: impossible because that was supposedly a two day trip. Yeah,

475
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: two days including air and back round trip was two

476
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: days up the up the coast. But apparently the Navy

477
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: had a canal that they used, Um, I think the

478
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Delaware Chesapeake Canal that only the military could use, and

479
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: they could make that round trip in six hours. So

480
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: in other words, it's easily explainable that it just simply uh,

481
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I keep want to say sailed, but it's not sailing.

482
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I think they still call it that, do they sail? Yeah,

483
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: let's ship out. Yeah, it's shipped out and took off,

484
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: shipped back in a regular amount of time, and it

485
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: just became part of the lore. Yeah, and I mean

486
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: you can even tech on a few hours there. Apparently

487
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: Norfolk was when they where they outfitted it with with

488
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: their explosives, and apparently they could load a battleship in

489
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: four hours. So even taking that into account, it's still

490
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: ten hours. If it shipped out at eleven PM, which

491
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: is what uh Dujon says, right, what would dodge Yeah,

492
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: um he uh he says that shipped out at eleven

493
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: it's still be back by nine am. So again, if

494
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: you're just casually paying attention, what seems pretty mysterious really

495
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: took on legs over time. It's basically like a game

496
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: of telephone, like any conspiracy theory. Maybe there's a kernel

497
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: of truth that got exaggerated by some drunken sailors and

498
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: then bam, it gets shrunk down to ten seconds through

499
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: a teleportation experiment. Well, and these sailors, the drunken sailors

500
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: supposedly could have been overheard saying things like, you know,

501
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a ship disappear, They're gonna make us invisible,

502
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: when in fact what they were saying is they're going

503
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: to make it more or less invisible. To these minds

504
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: got all twisted around. It wasn't literally invisible. Yeah, and

505
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: so there were apparently tons of merchant semen around the

506
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: area as well. Yes, so again this would have been

507
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: classified stuff if there have been loosely lips which sinks

508
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: ships the um and somebody had said like we're gonna

509
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: make it invisible, like you said, they would have picked

510
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: up on that. Maybe they were the ones who were,

511
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: um just casually paying attention to the to the eldridge

512
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: here there, and it just seemed to disappear and reappear. Um.

513
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: And there's this guy named Robert Gorman and he um

514
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: in a nineteen eighty Faet magazine article wrote about tracking

515
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: down Carlos Allany. He was from the same hometown as him,

516
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: and turned out that he already knew the guy's father.

517
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: He just didn't realize that he was Carlos Allan's father

518
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: or Carl Allen's father, your old man Allen's son. Yeah,

519
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: pretty much. Um, and he managed to interview the family

520
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: and get a pretty good picture of the guy. Um.

521
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: But one of the things that he found was Carl

522
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Allen's merchant seamen papers, So it's entirely possible he was

523
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: there around the time. Or if he wasn't there at

524
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: the time, Um, he may have been. He may have

525
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: known somebody who was there at the time. I could

526
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: totally see him have been there, and that's probably how

527
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: he got the idea to cook it up right, Okay, Yeah,

528
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: and again, all of this lane squarely on the desk

529
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: of Carl Allen because no one, no one talked about

530
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment. It was never those words were never

531
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: put together until he his first letter to Morris jessup right,

532
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: So it appears to have been totally fabricated by him.

533
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah and um. After the movie came out, people started

534
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: coming out of the Wooden work, including a dude named

535
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: Alfred Biolic. You can do his website. Oh yeah, he's

536
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: he's something else. He made a video uh called h

537
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Experiment Part one, Crossroads of History, and he

538
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: claims that he was a physicist on board the Eldridge. Uh.

539
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: And he was a part of the team. And not

540
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: only that, he says he time traveled in three all

541
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the way to nineteen eighty three during the experiment to

542
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: tell his story. That sounds excremely close to the plot

543
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: of the Philadelphia Experiment movie. Yeah, and and except it

544
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: was a little different in the movie. He travels from, Um,

545
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: we shouldn't mock this, it's a fascinating website. But he

546
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: puts himself squarely at the um the center of the

547
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment. And he also says that he was part

548
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: of the mont Talk project. Yeah, which they're sort of

549
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: tied together somehow. Yeah, well you should do one on

550
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: that at some point, somehow. Debunking things. This guy, this

551
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: guy wrote a book where he just basically made this

552
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: stuff up out of whole cloth. He says that the book,

553
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: whether you take it as science fact or science fiction,

554
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: you're in for a really great story. Um, even though

555
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: it's it's basically loaded with soft facts. This this is

556
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: the author in the preface right, but basically it's this

557
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: extension that, like the Philadelphia experiment, was wildly successful and

558
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: from that we learned all sorts of things like getting

559
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: in touch with extraterrestrials, being able to teleport everywhere, um,

560
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: just doing all sorts of really interesting things. Basically anything

561
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: you can possibly think of that a conspiracy theorists would enjoy.

562
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: It's crammed into this book and it's it's given um

563
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: a bit of gravitas by associating it with the Philadelphia experiment.

564
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: You know in some quarters, manned some quarters that that

565
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: definitely gives some gravitas. Uh. This green glow has been

566
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: explained away by most people as maybe an electrical storm

567
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: or st. Elmo's fire. Um, and it was just, you know,

568
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: maybe just another part of this story that people took

569
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: and ran with it, or maybe it was nothing at all. Yes, Um,

570
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: it also could have been. The Office of Naval Research

571
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 1: put out a fact sheet on what they understand about

572
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment and they said, um, it's possible another

573
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: origin or the origin of that specifically was experiments with

574
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: the U. S. S. Timmerman later on after the war

575
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: in the fifties where they tried to use a small

576
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: generator that was higher power than the narrator that was

577
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: currently on board, and it actually caused coronal discharge with

578
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: a glow um and they said that no one was injured,

579
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: no one was meshed into the ship. It was just

580
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: a glow was created, which is what you'd expect from

581
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: a very strong electrical field. Right. So they think possibly

582
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: that combined with UM the degassing stuff they were doing

583
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: during World War two, came together um and helped this

584
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: legend take off. But what they say also though, and

585
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: what was supported by this reunion of USS Eldridge sailors

586
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: in is that even the guy who debunked and discredited

587
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: everything that Carlos Allende said, um dudgeon, he was full

588
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: of it too, apparently because the US S Eldridge wasn't

589
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia then it was in Brooklyn. Yeah, they got

590
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: together in Atlantic City and I read an article on

591
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: this meeting, and they had a good laugh and said

592
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: that one of him even has something about an on

593
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: his license plate just so people like ask him about it.

594
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: And a few of them said they would pull people's

595
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: legs and say like, oh, no, I disappeared and my

596
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: hand was caught in the ship, and then they would say, no,

597
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: none of that happened. But they said that that was

598
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, and the ship's log confirms that. So, um,

599
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: apparently it wasn't even in that shipyard that day at all. Right,

600
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: So that's that's the only part where I'm like, oh,

601
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: wait a minute, how could they completely invent that it

602
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: was even in the shipyard. Why wouldn't they just use

603
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: a ship that was there, because then it would give

604
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: it a little more credence if there was at least

605
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: a ship there. But that's what I'm saying, Like, Um,

606
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Carl Allen, he made he said all this. He was

607
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: the one who just came up with it from the beginning. Yeah,

608
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: but I don't know, it just seems a little weird

609
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: that he he didn't care at all about making it

610
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: believable by picking a boat that was actually there. Well,

611
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. He may have been there at

612
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: the time. He may have known that the Eldridge was

613
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: there and just fudge the date because he couldn't remember.

614
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: Because this is like twelve years later, over thirteen years

615
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: after the fact. You know what, I mean bad memory, right,

616
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: So maybe he just got the date wrong and the

617
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: thing really did happen, and then the O n R

618
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Would be like, oh that experience, Yeah, oh yeah, we

619
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: teleported a battles. You just got the date wrong. So

620
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: we've mentioned quite a few things here that why this

621
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: thing has lived on through the years. Um there, Uh

622
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: that Jacques Valets theorizes that you know, anytime you have

623
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: like a movie made about it or any kind of imagery,

624
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a photo of the Lockness Monster to the

625
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: photo of the Montauk Monster, people are gonna have something

626
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: physical to point to and say, look, they made this movie.

627
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: And that's when people started coming out the woodwork was

628
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: after the movie. So you know, yeah, I was there.

629
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I remember that now. Michael Paray just reminded me of

630
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: this thing that happened. He also had My favorite thing

631
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: on his website is that, um, he met the person

632
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: that he later realized was the actor Mark Hamill in

633
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: Hawaii in six but Markamil would have been five at

634
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Speaker 1: the time. Well did he say he was a little

635
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Speaker 1: nice little kid. I don't think he was a kid.

636
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: He said he's a full grown adult. Interesting. Uh, what else?

637
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: The fact that it's the federal government. Of course, in

638
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the in the military, you know, people are gonna run

639
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: with that stuff, which I mean, that's the military's fault.

640
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I remember. Oh yeah, sure they did secret experiments, still do,

641
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: tons of them back in some stuff that got declassified,

642
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: and it really opened people's eyes to the fact that

643
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: the government in the military experimented on un uninformed and

644
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: unwitting subjects, not just in in its um ranks, but

645
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Speaker 1: also in the general public. So yeah, it's totally the

646
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: idea that the military would do this um with its

647
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: own people on board, probably the most believable part of

648
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing, agreed. Uh And also just um, throw

649
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein in their throw in uh secret scientific theories

650
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: that haven't been proven, and it's just ripe for the

651
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: picking when it comes to conspiracies and the suicide. Of course,

652
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned earlier that definitely doesn't help. It

653
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: did not help the case any But um, this is

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Speaker 1: one that I had a hard time finding people that

655
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: still believe this. Uh yeah, I think a lot of

656
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: people I could aren't aware of it, even except for

657
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: the movie. You know what else helped it get legs.

658
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: There's a book in nineteen seventy nine, and it was

659
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: called the Philadelphia Experiment Colon Project Invisibility, and it was

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00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: reprinted in in excerpts in papers around the country as

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00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: as fact or nonfiction in ninety nine. Does not help.

662
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't help things. You know, I personally with all

663
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. I just I enjoy reading this stuff. I

664
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: think it's fun and funny and interesting. I don't there

665
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: aren't any that I really believe in, but um, I

666
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: do think it's funny when people get all upon their

667
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: hackles and right in that. You know, that's making fun

668
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: of the stuff, and it's you know, you don't know

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00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: it could be real. Well that's the other thing. Man,

670
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up, because they're like the

671
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: just being like, no, this is not possible. That's stupid.

672
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: Stop thinking stuff like that. It's like, no, this is

673
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: at the very least people using their imaginations and uh,

674
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: exercising it in ways that I don't typically do. And

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00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: so it is nice to come kind of visit it

676
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: and check it out and read it. You know. Yeah,

677
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: although I claim to have seen a ghost, so what

678
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: do I know exactly? Although I have to say, probably

679
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: the best excuse against this. There are two things that

680
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: just say, just on its face, this isn't right. One,

681
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: this happened seventy years ago, And if the military successfully

682
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: transported a battleship, we would know about teleportation by by now. Yeah,

683
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: they'd be doing it all over the place exactly. The

684
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: second thing was a quote from Robert Gorman, the guy

685
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: who tracked down Carl Allen, in that eight magazine article.

686
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: He wrote, if we are to believe Carl Allen, our

687
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: naval hierarchy abandoned sanity and historical president by conducting an

688
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: experiment of enormous importance in broad daylight using a badly

689
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: needed destroyer escort vessel. Yeah, I think that kind of

690
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: sums it up nicely. Agreed, But go forth and read

691
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia experiment because it is interesting stuff. Watch

692
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: the movie why not on Netflix? Now it's on YouTube.

693
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: You watch the YouTube. I can't believe you made it

694
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: through it. I did. I'm telling you, like, I mean,

695
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I was working too. I had to like windows open,

696
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: but it was fine. Yeah, it was fine. It's as

697
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: believable as Tron. That's Josh's review. Let's see if you

698
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: want to know more about the Philadelphia Experiment. You don't

699
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: have anything else right, you can type those words in

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00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: a search bar at how stuff works. And since Chuck

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00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: said tron, it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: this uh email from an up and coming podcaster in

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00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldog Nice. Hey guys, my name is Bailey. I'm

704
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Speaker 1: a junior mass media, arts and theater student at good

705
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Old u g A Go Dogs wolf wolf Uh my

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00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: professional identity aside, I'm also a longtime listener and lover

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00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: of you guys. I listened to my first episode on

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00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: the bus home from seventh grade that Wow. I'm pretty

709
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: sure it was episode on brainwashing. So she's in college now.

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00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I mainly listen to y'all a is. I'm working on

711
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: my on campus job bus driving. Did you ever take

712
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: the buses in Athens? The student bus? I was so

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00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: crippled with social anxiety that if I couldn't find a

714
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: parking space, I would just skip class because I didn't

715
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Speaker 1: want to get on the bus. You had social anxiety,

716
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: really like I didn't want to get to know anyone

717
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: or you just I just couldn't bear being around pure

718
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Speaker 1: at that age. Really interesting? Uh, the buses were always

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00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: a little scary because it was like, here's a forty

720
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Speaker 1: ft long bus full of students and it's driven by

721
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: year old student. Yeah, it's scary for me for different reasons,

722
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: but I can imagine it's scary for that reason too. Yeah,

723
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: it took him a few times. I mainly one. Um, okay,

724
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: where was that bus driving? So my passengers have the

725
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: honor of listening to you as well. Oh, I gets

726
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: you plays it out loud. That's nice, That is nice.

727
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: That's the party bus, I guess. So the other day

728
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I was driving, I realized, is my destiny to produce

729
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: and host a podcast on campus. We don't really have

730
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: anything like that, so I'm excited about it. My idea

731
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: is to have me and another host be constants on

732
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: the show, and every week bring in a different u G.

733
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: A professor or Athens professional or general awesome person to

734
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: talk about the one thing in their field that fascinates

735
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: them the most for about thirty minutes. It would include

736
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: informal conversation between the three of us about a topic

737
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: highly inspired by all's witty banter. Anyway, because you guys

738
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: are my muses, I would want to uh wanted to

739
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: ask you any advice for a baby bulldog podcaster. As

740
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: an m M A major, I feel like I have

741
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: the basic knowledge and resources for the technical side, but

742
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: as far as what makes a good episode, I'm feeling

743
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: pretty shaky. What is your environment, Like, how much do

744
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: you prepare for the actual script? Do you have a

745
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: specific formula for every episode? I'm fascinated and that is

746
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Bailey Johnson, Uh, you got any advice? I will give

747
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: you the same advice I would give anybody starting out

748
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: in podcasting. Bailey, get good mikes. It's worth the expenditure,

749
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: make it sound good, and they probably have them on

750
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: campus I imagining. Yeah, I mean yeah, if you can

751
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: finagle your oy into a studio with good mikes, ye,

752
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: do it. Oh yeah, do whatever you need to do

753
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: to get that done. H And then release on a

754
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: reliable schedule. That are those are the two keys to

755
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: to begin with. I mean, like, as long as you're

756
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: leasing on a reliable schedule, people will come to appreciate

757
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Yeah. And my advice as far as

758
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: scripting goes is, you know, we said this a billion

759
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: times on different interviews, but we don't script stuff out

760
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: and we don't go over stuff with each other. We

761
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: just do our own research and try and have as

762
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: natural a conversation as possible, which I think has helped

763
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: our show out. That's not to say that you need

764
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: to do that, but I think being relatable and um

765
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: conversational helps rather than feeling like you're being read a script.

766
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people that would be

767
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: as into that, So my advice would be trying to

768
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: make a conversational um, you know, maybe go over it

769
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: with whoever your co host is some at first, she's

770
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: a theater major, right, Yeah, you should be pretty good

771
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: at this stuff already. So yeah, I'm sure it's good

772
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: at ed Livings. She's probably finds comfort in the idea

773
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: of a script. I don't think there's anything wrong with

774
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: starting out trying that, but if it doesn't feel right

775
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: or you're not getting good feedback about it, and try

776
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: try something else. Yeah, my my, I guess I would

777
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: say maybe try like instead of script, try like an outline,

778
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: um that you share with each other with poor Man's script. Yeah,

779
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: so you've got a little roadmap ahead of you, and uh,

780
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: we kind of just we've been doing this for so long,

781
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: we don't need that. We don't need it, not online.

782
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: But we have our own roadmap that we share via

783
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: our brain waves. Yes, map to the White House. It's

784
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: not written down two thousands, sixteen. So those are our

785
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: points of advice. Um, we don't have a specific formula.

786
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: We just try to talk about things that we find interesting.

787
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: That's I think that's a key to man. Yeah, be

788
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: into what your own topic is because that'll show for sure.

789
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: Although we've also found that like just about everything is

790
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: interesting if you dig hard enough, has a story. Yeah,

791
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: So if something's like really boring, you maybe abandon it,

792
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: but you can also try digging harder. Agreed, So good luck, Bailey,

793
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: send us a link when that's up and we'll plug

794
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: it for you. And um, and since you're doing an

795
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: interview show, your goal should be with each interview to

796
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: make that person cry. You know what, Bailey, I'll I'll

797
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: even be on your show if you want. Whoa nice Yeah,

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00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: I'll do that. If you get it up and running

799
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: and you need somebody, I'd be happy to sit in.

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00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: That is so nice. Why not well too, if you want,

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00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, I phone Forday athletes. Uh yeah, it's

802
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: not that I don't like to, but I might just

803
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: be easier to do it on the phone. Okay, we'll

804
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: see Bailey. He's laid it out there for you. Get

805
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: in touch, all right, Bailey, Good luck class of seventeen.

806
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah who started listening in seventh grade. If

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Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with the Chucker I hear,

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