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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health. Hey everybody,

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Speaker 1: you made it to hump Day. Chris Brown, Steve pass

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Speaker 1: here here with you on one Pills Live on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us and uh Steve. Last

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Speaker 1: night I was my son had the NBA Draft lottery on,

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Speaker 1: and so I was watching that, you know, to see

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Speaker 1: who would basically win the Victor Webbin Yama sweepstakes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The seven foot four French kid who's nineteen years old

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Speaker 1: Spurs win the lottery. And I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed very anti climactic. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the should do a draft lottery, They should do that.

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Speaker 1: Look at how entertaining this is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. It didn't do it for me, and I

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Speaker 1: believe me, Like I I still remember when the Knicks

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Speaker 1: got the first pick in nineteen eighty five to draft

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing. I mean Dave de Busher, who was the

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Speaker 1: team rep, had the jersey on his lap. So if

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Speaker 1: he's holding up a ewing jersey. The draft is a

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Speaker 1: month and a half away, but they got the first pick,

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Speaker 1: they're already tell you who they're taking. But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like people are like, oh the end, the NFL should

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Speaker 1: do a draft lottery. It would make it more entertaining.

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Speaker 1: I think it would. I mean, look, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Some of these leagues have to dissuade, dissuade teams from tanking,

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Speaker 1: and so they have lottery systems set up so you're

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's necessary in the NFL to

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Speaker 2: The NFL is not broken, well right, you don't need

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Speaker 2: to fix it. In fact, I was the only the.

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Speaker 1: Only stance I could see someone taking on it as well.

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Speaker 1: You know how the NFL always builds things up larger

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Speaker 1: with that. We were just joking yesterday about how the

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Speaker 1: NFL schedule has morphed into this thing that people can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see, even though they know who all the

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Speaker 1: opponents are just finding out when has triggered this like

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Speaker 1: phenomenal following for a schedule. So knowing that, you'd say, well,

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Speaker 1: if any league could turn something into an entity even

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Speaker 2: A lot in that, right, there's a lot in it because.

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Speaker 1: That's the only leg they have to stand on.

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Speaker 2: I think the schedule for the NFL is a schedule

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Speaker 2: of events. The schedule for the NHL and Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball is schedule of a season that goes on and on.

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Speaker 2: There's like two NBA, there's eighty two games in NBA

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Speaker 2: playing in your day around anything. Unless you have a

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Speaker 2: i'll watch them. In NFL, you schedule your week around

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Speaker 2: it differently, and certainly there's got to be you know,

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Speaker 2: And in those leagues, you play your way out of

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Speaker 2: my if you kind of get my drift there. You

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Speaker 1: Think a playoff birth isn't handed to you. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: So more than everything you do in the NFL is

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Speaker 2: obviously the Bill's schedule release probably drew a bigger number,

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Speaker 2: And so I don't I don't. I just if you,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't, Like I said before, I

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Speaker 1: Not to say they couldn't market it up like they

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Speaker 2: That's why I say it's not broken. That's for sure the.

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Speaker 1: Most interesting thing that I learned about the NBA draft lottery.

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Speaker 1: And I may not get these numbers exactly right, but

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going back to like nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty, the number one pick in the draft

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Speaker 1: even that number is like six, right, which was crazy

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing number won one.

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Speaker 2: If you're really truly playing a team sport, which football

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Speaker 2: is to me is the quintessential team sport, one guy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but one of those teams is the Spurs with

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think I can't remember if they

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Speaker 2: Overall fascinating to talk about guy like Lebron. It's fascinating

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Speaker 2: As you know, there are certain guys that that begged

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Speaker 2: he's done it with three different teams, and in large

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Speaker 2: measure he's the guy the reason for it, because he's

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Speaker 1: Well. Right, during his era, players gained far more power

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's he's either to do in that sport than

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's turn our let's turn our total hump day

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Speaker 1: around the NFL, which is where we will go. We'll

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that in just a second as well.

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Speaker 1: But around the NFL brought to you by Coalida Healthy,

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Speaker 1: official health care system of the Buffalo Bills. And this

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Speaker 1: story appeared in The Ringer and has got some legs

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Speaker 1: to it. DeVante Adams not holding back at all in

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Speaker 2: Both it's been a minute, but yeah, when.

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Speaker 1: They were both together in New England, very early in

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Speaker 1: Adams has gotten a look at how the offense might

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Speaker 1: and he is quoted by The Ringer as saying the

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Speaker 1: right now to put us in a position to be urgent.

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Speaker 1: We don't see eye to eye on what we think

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Speaker 1: Steve has Adams turning so sour? Is he no longer

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably the type of passing game they're

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Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels move completely.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean he's the head coach, he's running

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Speaker 1: the offense. I get all that, But what the heck

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Speaker 1: You changed the quarterback. You know, does Garoppolo? I don't

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Speaker 1: It is different. I don't know if it's dramatically different.

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Speaker 2: It's really and this stuff. I know we're getting this

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Speaker 1: Average annual value, though, seems to be the thing more

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Speaker 1: than anything else, So I'm expecting at least fifty three,

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Speaker 1: maybe more. NFL dot Com did a piece on the

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Speaker 1: seven teams most likely to unseat the Chiefs as Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl champs this season. Here is their order of those

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Speaker 1: seven teams. Number one, Cincinnati, number two, fill LA, number

435
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Speaker 1: three Buffalo, four Jets, five San Franz six Dallas seven

436
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Speaker 1: LA Chargers. Here is what they said about the Bills. Steve,

437
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Speaker 1: the Bills might be sitting in a more favorable position

438
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Speaker 1: than many realized. After they were the sexiest pick to

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl fifty seven. Their season ended with

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Speaker 1: a loss to Cincinnati at home in the Divisional round

441
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Speaker 1: of the playoffs. That has prompted some observers to wonder

442
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Speaker 1: if Buffalo missed his championship window. Yes, the quarterback will

443
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Speaker 1: continue to take up cap space as he gets deeper

444
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Speaker 1: into the extension he signed in twenty twenty one. But newsflash,

445
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: the Bills haven't stopped being good. The issue with this

446
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: team is how much production can be mined out of

447
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Speaker 1: the people around Allen Wide receiver Gabe Davis blah blah

448
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Addition of first round pick Dalton Kincaid

449
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Speaker 1: can give him a potent one two punch a tight

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Speaker 1: end with Dawson Knox. Offensive line was less dependable as

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Speaker 1: the season war on. Buffalo responded by adding Connor McGovern

452
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Speaker 1: Osyrus Torrance, defense, Von Miller. How does he come back?

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer What can

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Speaker 1: they do now? In their early thirty Not to mention,

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott performs as the defensive play caller in the

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Speaker 1: wake of former DC Leslie Fraser stepping away, So he

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Speaker 1: says in conclusion, the Bills went through a lot last season.

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Speaker 1: They could find it much easier to play. Why are

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Speaker 1: when there are more doubters circling above, just waiting for

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Speaker 1: the chance to count them out. There is something to

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Speaker 1: be said about flying under the radar after being the

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Speaker 1: complete Super Bowl favorite last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes some of the internal pressure off when nobody,

464
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Speaker 2: you know, when everybody counts you out, you don't have anything.

465
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Speaker 2: You can kind of go for it and not worry

466
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Speaker 2: to be worried that it doesn't work out. You're just

467
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Speaker 2: lying because it wasn't supposed to work out for you.

468
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Speaker 2: Nobody thought it was going to work out for you,

469
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Speaker 2: So you can go ahead and go for it, and

470
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Speaker 2: if it blows up, okay, well it wasn't supposed to

471
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Speaker 2: work out, and you don't have to worry about the consequences.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's where pressure comes from. It's from the

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Speaker 2: fear of doing the wrong thing. And that comes down

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Speaker 2: to not only a season, but just in a moment

475
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Speaker 2: by moment perspective of the regular season where you're trying

476
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Speaker 2: to prepare, you're trying to play, and then of course

477
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: play by play during a regular season game. You can't

478
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Speaker 2: sit there and worry about what happens if I do

479
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Speaker 2: the wrong thing and what if I give up a touchdown,

480
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Speaker 2: or what if I drop a pass, or what if

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Speaker 2: I run the wrong route and it was there, the

482
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Speaker 2: right route was open, and you know all that stuff.

483
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Speaker 2: You can't worry about consequences. That's what pressure is. And

484
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Speaker 2: when nobody believes you can do it, there is no pressure,

485
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: so you don't have to worry about that. And that's

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Speaker 2: the whole mindset of what it's all about. And that's

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Speaker 2: why it's fans feel it too. I mean r out there.

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Speaker 2: Nobody liked being the favorite last year. A bunch of

489
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Speaker 2: Bills fans were like, ah, you know, like it's a jinx,

490
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Speaker 2: right whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm very curious to see how the Jets

492
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Speaker 1: handle it this year because people are already tabbing them

493
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Speaker 1: division chap. You couldn't pick play Super Bowl contenders.

494
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Speaker 2: Now there were optimism. There's optimism last year because Zach

495
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Speaker 2: Wilson was an unknown, not a not a flame out.

496
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: But now this year there's a known commodity back there.

497
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Speaker 2: And yes, that is right the Jets. The Jets ad minimum,

498
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: at minimum, got to be in the playoffs early on

499
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Speaker 2: in the season and stay there throughout the the second

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Speaker 2: half of the year. They got to be in a

501
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: playoff spot right, Otherwise it's gonna it's gonna crumble. We've

502
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Speaker 2: already talked about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all they gotta do is lose two straight

504
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Speaker 1: and the vultures will be out circling. Uh. As we

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Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the show, we're gonna begin

506
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: going around the a f cs to get an assessment

507
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Speaker 1: of what each of these division rivals of the Bills

508
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Speaker 1: have done to improve their rosters. We'll be talking with

509
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Speaker 1: ESPN Patriots beat reporter Mike Reese in the second hour

510
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Speaker 1: the show, but between now and then, we want to

511
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Speaker 1: know from you what you think would be the biggest

512
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Speaker 1: surprise from the Patriots this season. People have basically kicked

513
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: dirt on them, left him for dead. Nobody thinks they're

514
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Speaker 1: going to compete in the division. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 1: what do you think would be the biggest surprise from

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Speaker 1: the Patriots this season in the AFC East. Knowing that

517
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Speaker 1: much of the focus has been on the Dolphins and

518
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: the Jets nipping at the bills heels, the Patriots for

519
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: the most part have been an afterthought, So what would

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Speaker 1: be a surprising result from that team? Which I will

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Speaker 1: say Steve has done a lot to improve the defensive

522
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Speaker 1: side of the ball some of the offense. The moves

523
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Speaker 1: for the offense have been a bit curious. I don't

524
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Speaker 1: know that. I completely understand the lack of attention to

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Speaker 1: addressing that side of the ball in light of all

526
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Speaker 1: that went wrong. But maybe they feel Bill O'Brien can

527
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Speaker 1: cure everything no matter who you give him to work with.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, certainly they got work to do. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien's been in that building enough that he's not

530
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Speaker 2: gonna flinch. And he's not the right guy to think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna flinch. The guys. The guy's got some chops.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: He's he is.

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Speaker 2: He is unafraid of any confrontation with a player or

535
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Speaker 2: another coach. He's one of the guys that you know

536
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: when when Brady was there, apparently O'Brien would lose his freak,

537
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: his mind, his his whole countenance would just go crazy.

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Speaker 1: He said, he's doing it now and with the receivers right,

539
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Speaker 1: you don't run the right route. You're on the bench

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Speaker 1: next to.

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Speaker 2: Me, and he argue and yell, and he's a he's

542
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Speaker 2: a strong personality, and I think that's huge for a

543
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: team like the paper. They need a guy to come

544
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Speaker 2: in and take take the wheel, you know, and say,

545
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Speaker 2: you know, get in the back here, let's go. They're

546
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Speaker 2: going to be markedly better with him, no question about you,

547
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Speaker 2: Bills fans might not want to hear it. They are

548
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Speaker 2: going to be much much better.

549
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Speaker 1: This yew Well, their offense will look functional for sure,

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. Aight oh three zero five fifty one eighty

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty biggest surprise you think

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Speaker 1: the Patriots could come up with in the AFC East

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Speaker 1: this season? Open line for you there one eighty eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five point fifty the toll free number,

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Speaker 1: or hit us up on the tweetsheet at One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with your phone calls. Next here

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Speaker 1: on one Bill's Live. Stay tuned. All right, Here we

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Speaker 1: are One Bill's Live on a Wednesday, Chris Brown, Steve

559
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Speaker 1: Tasker with you, making our way around the AFC East

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Speaker 1: the rest of this week as we are trying to

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Speaker 1: ascertain what might be the biggest surprise from a Patriots

562
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: team this season that really is being considered mainly an

563
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Speaker 1: afterthought by a lot of the prognosticators in terms of

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna be able to put together this season,

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Speaker 1: even though they were able to bring Bill O'Brien back

566
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Speaker 1: into the fold as offensive coordinator for his second stint

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Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. Eight oh three h five point

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Speaker 1: fifty one eighty eight five pin fifty two five fifty

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Speaker 1: the number to get on board. What would be the

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Speaker 1: biggest surprise you think the Patriots could muster as far

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Speaker 1: as the AFC East Race is concerned this fall? And

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Speaker 1: we go to the phones open line for you there though,

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Speaker 1: and we lead off with Kevin and Hamburg. What do

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Speaker 1: you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Kevin, Hey, guys, how you doing big for digging in

576
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Speaker 3: my car?

577
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Speaker 2: Sure good?

578
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Speaker 3: I mean the Patriots this year? And I hate to

579
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Speaker 3: use an example of the movie, but they're gonna play

580
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: the Rocky Balboa round in the first Rocky Fight. Don't

581
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Speaker 3: expect them to do anything, just like they didn't expect

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Speaker 3: Rocky the lasting as Apollo Creed and he lasted fifteen

583
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Speaker 3: round with a bad eye and almost took the chain about.

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Speaker 3: In this case, the champ would be the bills of

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Speaker 3: the AFC crowd, maybe not the super Bowl. And they're

586
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Speaker 3: gonna let people talk about all Rogers is he's the

587
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Speaker 3: next Joe Namath and oh and all that. But they're

588
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Speaker 3: gonna lay and wait and then come back to maybe

589
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Speaker 3: bite someone in the butt and then something like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they dude, move wise, but they're

591
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Speaker 3: just gonna lay and wait and everyone talk about Rogers

592
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Speaker 3: and Tua and coached the Bills and then be like, uh,

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Speaker 3: oh you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah Yeah. There's no question

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Speaker 2: they've got a lot of motivation over there that it's

596
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: a proud franchise. They got a lot of history, of

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Speaker 2: a lot of wins.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They were in the playoffs with Mac Jones as a

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback. They took an enormous step backward, and I think,

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Speaker 2: but I think too. One thing that's working against the

602
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Speaker 2: Patriots this year is the fact that they should know

603
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Speaker 2: they did it to themselves. I mean, their offensive coaching

604
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: staff lacked experience and the ability to implement things that

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: would work. They did not adjust well. They lost Josh McDaniels,

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Speaker 2: who had been there for a long long time, and

607
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Speaker 2: the guys that took over were not ready for that.

608
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Speaker 2: So it's not like the players couldn't play well, or

609
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Speaker 2: they met good team that didn't have talent or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was a playoff team two years ago, and because

611
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Speaker 2: of their own decisions and the only the way they

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Speaker 2: do business, they did it to themselves. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you'd You know, that's different than having everybody count

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Speaker 2: you out, you know what I mean. Now, nobody's picking

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Speaker 2: them to do anything better this year, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: But they got to think all their problems are them,

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Speaker 2: and that's that's a different place to gain motivation from. Certainly,

618
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: the voices are gonna be naysaying him this year, but

619
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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien brings some credibility, and I would say most

620
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: people who look at him closely, they're gonna say, listen,

621
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be the coaching this year. They're gonna

622
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Speaker 2: have it down. They're gonna have it downright, So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: So there's that kind of sabotages their ability to say, hey,

624
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Speaker 2: woe is me, nobody's picking us. A lot of people

625
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: will say, listen, they're gonna get coached this year, you know. So, yeah,

626
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots are in a weird spot and we'll see.

627
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Speaker 2: You know how it evolved, now you know, Bello chicks

628
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of have'ing ready to play. They're gonna play well.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be more than competitive, just like they are

630
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Speaker 2: every year. They're gonna be a tough team to beat,

631
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: a tough out, and there's no reason to think they're

632
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: not gonna play better than they did a year ago,

633
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Speaker 2: particularly on the offensive side of the ball. We'll see.

634
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Speaker 2: But as for gleaning some sort of measure of motivation

635
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Speaker 2: because everybody's counting them out or other, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody believes they could play as bad

637
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Speaker 2: as they played last year offensively.

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Speaker 1: No, And even then, they they go all the way

639
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: to Week eighteen, they're in playoff contention. They don't lose

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Speaker 1: to the Bills. They get in. Yeah, but you know,

641
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: the Bills beat him, doing large part to two kick

642
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: returns by Nahim Hines, and they're knocked out of playoff contention.

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Speaker 1: They don't qualify for the postseason. But despite the debacle

644
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Speaker 1: and disaster that their offense was, they still almost got

645
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: into the playoffs in the AFC.

646
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

647
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, mac Jones was a guy that regressed in

648
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: year two because of those offensive inefficiencies, and I think

649
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: had to he was left holding the bag in a

650
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, and you know, had he made

651
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: a scapegoat.

652
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot was made of his outbursts on

653
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: the sidelines, you know, where he was frustrated with the

654
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: way the offense was going after being without showing Josh

655
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: McDaniels as he was in his rookie year and he's

656
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: looking around for some things to happen and they just

657
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: weren't happening. Something was not going the way he wanted

658
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: it to. He was frustrated with the play calling, with

659
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: what they were wanting to do, and he showed it.

660
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: It's not a good place to be for as a player.

661
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's gonna be different. If he's in

662
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: a shouting match this year, it'll be with Bill O'Brien

663
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: and that would be interesting. That would be interesting. But yeah,

664
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: but at least I know this, Bill o'brown have answers

665
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: for him. You know, he's not gonna be he's not

666
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: gonna be yelling into an empty room like he was

667
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: last year.

668
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, And you know they had they had an

669
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: interesting draft. Their early draft picks, they focused on defense

670
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: and then went almost exclusively offense and special teams. On

671
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Day three when they had like nine picks, they had

672
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: like twelve total picks, and they picked they they traded

673
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: up for a kicker and picked a punter too. So well,

674
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: as we said, we'll talk to ESPN's Mike Reez, who's

675
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: covered the Patriots for over twenty years in the second

676
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: hour of the show. So we look forward to catching

677
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: up with him to get some get some explanation on

678
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: some of the decisions. As we know, the Patriots marched

679
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: to the beat of their own drum in terms of

680
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: draft picks anyway. I mean, nex Steve's been milking the

681
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Cole Strange pick for a year now, so yeah, which

682
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: was no pun intended strange to say the least least.

683
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: But let's go back to the phones and we'll go

684
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: to Tom in Cheek to Wagan next. What do you

685
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: have for us? Tom?

686
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: Hey, how you guys doing today?

687
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Good?

688
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: I want to speak to about that Davante Adams situation. Yeah, yeah,

689
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: what do you think about maybe tradon Gabe Davis, Khalil

690
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: Shor or Quinton Morris in a seventh round draft pick

691
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: to the Raiders for Devonte is basically aary being about

692
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: six million. I think we can handle that. What do

693
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: you think about that?

694
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we'd have to see how far this

695
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: gets down the pike with Adams, But I mean hearing

696
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: him say what he's saying, if I think he puts

697
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: me over the top, I'm lobbing a phone call right, Like.

698
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: Well that's what That's what a GM's job is.

699
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, lobbing a phone call to Las Vegas.

700
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: But I can say this too, Tom. I mean, you

701
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: might get put on hold because they got like thirty

702
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: one other phones ringing too. You're gonna to get in line,

703
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: and your deal is going to have to beat you know,

704
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers deal and the Giants deal and the Jaguars

705
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: deal and the Commander's deal and the Giants deal. But

706
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: maybe if you get in early Jacksonville's deal.

707
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: After seeing those rumblings, you know, you get on the

708
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: horn with Raiders GM, Daves Eagler and you're like, hey,

709
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: what's going on here? He does he want out? We

710
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: can talk? You know, I got I got some young

711
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: players on my roster exactly.

712
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: It's a it's an interesting it's an interesting thought. I think,

713
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: what if you're a GM, what you really do instead

714
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: of going and tampering with and calling the team or

715
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: what maybe maybe maybe this is illegal. You can't call

716
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Maybe call his agent, say what's his what's the deal?

717
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: Because you say, listen, if that agent has another one

718
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: of your players on your roster, you call that agent. Tom.

719
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: What you're saying you're talking about? You know, I got

720
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: I know that you handle Micah Hyde as well as

721
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: you handle DeVante Adams. Where I'm calling to ask you

722
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: about Micah Hyde and how unhappy he is with the

723
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: direction of the radio offense and see where it gets you.

724
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he could do that?

725
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: You could?

726
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: You are? You are a clever one, Steve, You are

727
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: a clever one. Yeah. I look, we hear Brandon Bean

728
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: say all the time. If he believes there's something out

729
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: there that can make his team better, he's going to

730
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: explore it. I wouldn't be surprised if adams comments to

731
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: the ringer would prompt some GMS to at least inquire

732
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: and make a phone call to Raiders GM Dave's eagler

733
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what's going on there? Is this just

734
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: smoke or is there fire too? And are you looking

735
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: to move them? And then if so, maybe start talking Turkey,

736
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, but at least make an explore, make an

737
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: exploratory phone call to see what's there, because you're still

738
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: talking about a top five receiver in the league and

739
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: he would cost just six million.

740
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's incredibly attractive for every team in the league,

741
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: from every from from the Bills to the Cincinnati to

742
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: the Commanders and everybody in between. Everybody would be interesting,

743
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: including the Green Bay Packers, which is where he left

744
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: just last year. Everybody for six million bucks, that guy. Yeah,

745
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: you make the call.

746
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: We have to take a break here. When we come back,

747
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: more of your phone calls on what you think think

748
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots could muster up in terms of a surprise

749
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: in the AFC East race this season. We also have

750
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: an interesting thing submitted by a politician, an op ed

751
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: piece out of Washington, d C. About where the Washington

752
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: Commanders should go to play their games. We'll explain, all right,

753
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: Welcome back to one of Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve

754
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Tasker with you, who just wanted to bring this up

755
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: because I found it interesting. Spotted this in the Washington Post.

756
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: There is a DC Council member that put an op

757
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: ed piece in the Washington Post this week and basically

758
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: laid out a case to have the Washington Commander's football

759
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: club return to play in old RFK Stadium. For those

760
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: that are wondering, Yes, the stadium is still there and

761
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: it is basically locked in to that property. Essentially, the

762
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: lease for RFK between the city and the National Park

763
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Service there in Washington, d C runs through twenty thirty

764
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: eight and basically stipulates that the area can be only

765
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: used for a sports stadium and recreation purposes. So because

766
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: of that, it's still sitting there from the time they left,

767
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: because I think FedEx Field opened in two thousand, their

768
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: newer stadium. By all accounts, it's lacking. As Snyder did

769
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it on a budget, and he's been pining for a

770
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: new stadium. No political people want to work with him,

771
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: and now that he is an outgoing owner, this politician

772
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: wants to strike while the iron's hot. I don't think

773
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: they would try to get the Commanders to go back

774
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: to RFK and play this year. I think they would

775
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: probably try to undertake a retrofitting of some kind to

776
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: the old stadium, modern it, however long that takes a

777
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: year maybe two, and get the team out of Landover

778
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: and back down into the district of Columbia.

779
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: There's nothing that says too that because Aaron Washington and

780
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: they got people who can say it make it so

781
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: that they just can't tear down RFK as well. Yeah,

782
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: build a new one there. That's perfectly acceptable, and they

783
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: can play in FedEx until they get that done. No

784
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: question that nobody likes FedEx Field right now. It's it's

785
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: a dump and they need a new stadium. However, there's

786
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: been allegations made, and I'm not that that the current

787
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: ownership or the past ownership of the Commanders was deliberately

788
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: letting the place go so that it would get so

789
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: bad that somebody had to do something for the hand,

790
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: force the hand of the people to put a new

791
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: stadium up. That seems to be the case where new

792
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: ownership will I'm in and they'll say, yeah, we need

793
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: a new place to play, how about it, And people say, yeah,

794
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: we'll work with you because they want to get on

795
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: board with a new owner and all that. The finances

796
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: will get worked out somehow, some way. You could privately

797
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: finance the thing if you wanted to. So the question

798
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 2: is where to put it or if case perfect, even

799
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: if they even if they have to bulldoze what's standing there.

800
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he basically said, our city is now presented with

801
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: a once in a generation opportunity to hit the refresh

802
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: button in northeast and southeast DC. A revitalized RFK campus

803
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: would bring the commanders home to DC for the first

804
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: time in nearly three decades and bring with it jobs, housing,

805
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: and business opportunities. Now, how you kind of promise that?

806
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, and you know we've seen empty promises

807
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: from politicians before, let's all be honest. But I thought

808
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: it was an interesting take that. You know, here's a

809
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: guy that says, well, we're getting this. We're getting his

810
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: owner that's been difficult to deal with out of the way.

811
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Let's strike while the iron's hot and welcome the new

812
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: owner in with open arms and say, hey, come back

813
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: to DC. It has been will make your stadium the

814
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: centerpiece of a new revitalization effort.

815
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: You know that's right. The old owner was open in

816
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: his desire for a new stadium, and like Virginia, like

817
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: he was, he was hammering it and was making the

818
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: current situation so awful that some you know, that somebody

819
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: would get something done. It will be really interesting and

820
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: telling that if new ownership takes over, if and when,

821
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: how fast that happens, and it will be it will

822
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: be painfully obvious. If it happens quickly, it'll be painfully

823
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: obvious that the old owner was the obstacle. So I

824
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: don't know how fast stuff like that happens. I know

825
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: that that here in Western New York we've just been

826
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: through that process and have now broken ground. It's a

827
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: it takes a long time, yeah, and now it takes

828
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: a long time when public money's getting done. But if

829
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: it's a privately funded operation, and all they need is

830
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: somebody to tell them in the Parks and w rec

831
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: departments say how you can use the land, go ahead

832
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: and do it with RFK spot and here's the parameters.

833
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: That shouldn't take.

834
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: All that long.

835
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, you know. But if it's a privately

836
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: funded sports arena or sports complex.

837
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening.

838
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how it's gonna happen on public land,

839
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: particularly a park's a national park, which technically this would be.

840
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Not to mention the fact that the Harris Group, who's

841
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: going to be the new ownership group when it's approved,

842
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: presumably here at the end of the month at the

843
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: latest owners meetings, guy just forked over six point oh

844
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: five billion. I can't see him ponying up private money

845
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: to now well build a stadium.

846
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: He wouldn't pony it up. It would be he'd take

847
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: the loan, you know what I mean, they'd find out

848
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: with a new stadium, he eventually would make that money back,

849
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: no question. Plus, it's obvious too that when you buy

850
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: one of these sports franchises, no matter what you put

851
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: into it, at the end, you're gonna get it back

852
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: and then some much like Daniel Snyder bought him for

853
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty million and is selling them for

854
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: six point oh five billion. Eight hundred and fifty with

855
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: a M and six point oh five with a B.

856
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good return for twenty five years of

857
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: zeros for a twenty five year deal. So if you

858
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: can come up with the cash and get it done,

859
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna be worth it in the end financially.

860
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm curious to see if that gets

861
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: legs and support.

862
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: More importantly, I think it's telling that. I mean, as

863
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: soon as it becomes even I mean sign right, as

864
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: soon as it becomes like a done deal. All they

865
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: gotta do is dot the i's and cross the t's.

866
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: Somebody's going, you know what, a new stadium would be great.

867
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Speaker 1: You know, let's bring him back to DC proper. How

868
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: got that?

869
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: Dan Snyder's gotta be like throwing darts right now, He's like, yo, whatever.

870
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: Oh, we gotta take a break here. When we come back,

871
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: our number two will begin with a man who's been

872
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: covering the Patriots for more than twenty years. It is

873
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Speaker 1: ESPN Patriots Beat reporter Mike Reese gonna join us. We

874
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: want to get the four to one one on just

875
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: what kind of roster construction is expected to produce in

876
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: New England this fall. We check in with Mike next

877
00:49:43,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, The One Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Calllida Health. Here we are our number two on

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00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: a Wednesday, christ Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Happy to

880
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: have along with us now ESPN NFL Patriots reporter Mike Reese.

881
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: He's been doing a long time and one of the

882
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: best in the biz. Always glad to get him on

883
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: when we got to talk Patriots as we try to

884
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: assess this AFC East Division. Now with the bulk of

885
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Speaker 1: roster construction done this offseason. First of all, Mike, how

886
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: you doing.

887
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 5: Chris doing great? Steve always great to talk with you.

888
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a busy and a voluminous draft for the Patriots.

889
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Twelve picks, I mean, man, you think about the Dolphins

890
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: who had four, Patriots had three times the picks. They're

891
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: trading up. They're trading down, which I know isn't foreign

892
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: to Bill Belichick and how he likes to run the draft.

893
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: What I found interesting, and I know when you guys

894
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: up there asked Bill about it, he didn't say it

895
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: was by design, but defense early and then it's basically

896
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: offense and special teams late. Do you feel that the

897
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: needs on defense outweighed offense to kind of justify that?

898
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 5: So it was a surprise to a lot of us

899
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 5: covering the team. I think we thought it would be

900
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: more offense driven. That being said, and I think you

901
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 5: guys would agree with this after what we saw at

902
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: the end of the season. They come out to Orchard Park,

903
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 5: they need to win to get in the playoffs, and

904
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 5: obviously they gave up the two kickoff returns for touchdowns,

905
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 5: but the long pass plays right, and so you could

906
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 5: look at that and say, well, corners one of their

907
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 5: top needs. So you don't have Jonathan Jones trying to

908
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 5: chase down staf Von Diggs down the left sideline there

909
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 5: going toward the tunnel. Remember, guys a long touchdown pass.

910
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 5: So they got a lot of needs and so I

911
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 5: think the way it works out for them is they

912
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 5: sort of stack it up and they didn't think the

913
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 5: skilled position players offensively, particularly at receiver, were necessarily like

914
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 5: premo options, and so they just sort of went with

915
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 5: where the board took them. Makes a lot of sense

916
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: to me in retrospect.

917
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: And it was interesting too that the season they had

918
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: last year focused so much on what Mac Jones was

919
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: not getting from his offensive coaching staff, and you figured

920
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: that in the AFC you can do it one of

921
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: two ways, not like always, I mean, but most people

922
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 2: feel like they're in an arms race with Kansas City.

923
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're in Cincinnati and Buffalo and Miami.

924
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: They're trying to keep up with these teams that can

925
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: really score. And you're right, this draft did not have

926
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: high flying wide receiver, wasn't a very deep class at

927
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: that and the vibe coming out of New England last

928
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: year was the fact that their offense couldn't keep up,

929
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: and yet they still went to defense in that first round.

930
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: Tell us you know a little bit deeper about what

931
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: they went through for in the rest of that draft,

932
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: though they did sprinkle in some offensive players.

933
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: Definitely, and Steve before I do, I would just say,

934
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 5: like big picture, like one of their goals going into

935
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 5: the draft was to come out of it, you know,

936
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 5: be in a tougher and faster team. And with that

937
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 5: is an acknowledgment like you're in a division with Josh Allen,

938
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 5: You're in a division with Aaron Rodgers. Now you're in

939
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 5: a division with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle. If you

940
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 5: can't build a team that has some type of ability

941
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 5: to disrupt those offenses, like, you're not going to have

942
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: a chance because they're not built to keep up with

943
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 5: them offensively, right, And it's always going to be that

944
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 5: three phase picture with Bill Belichick. It's the offense complementing

945
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 5: the defense, complementing the special teams. And really I keep

946
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 5: going back to that last game in Orchard Park that

947
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 5: all the Bills fans saw. I mean, a Bill Belichick

948
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: team giving up two kickoff returns for touchdowns. That is

949
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: so uncharacteristic, and so I think, to me, that's sort

950
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: of the bigger picture, like when we get into what

951
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: they did draft wise, just to try to be stronger

952
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: in all three of those phases. And I would add

953
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: this offensively, they didn't do that much early in the draft.

954
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 5: They did do three offensive linemen in the fourth and

955
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 5: fifth rounds, a couple of late round receivers that basically

956
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 5: like take I don't want to say flyers on, but

957
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 5: if they stick, they stick. But they did most of

958
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 5: their investments on offense in free agency.

959
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do want to get into some of

960
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: those special teams editions later in the draft, but before

961
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: we do that, you mentioned finding ways to stop some

962
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: of these high what are perceived to be high flying

963
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: offenses in the division. Gonzales is interesting to me because,

964
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: in my mind, it's a shift from what we usually

965
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: see Bill Belichick go after at the corner position. He

966
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: usually prefers physical corners, and I don't think that's known

967
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: as Gonzalez's calling card because his athleticism is so off

968
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: the charts. I was going into the draft, I was saying,

969
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't think I can remember a time where I

970
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: saw a cornerback prospect make playing the position of cornerback

971
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: looks so effortless. I mean, he makes playing corner look effortless,

972
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: but he's not known as a physical guy run support

973
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: like gonna kill people, and those are the kind of

974
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: tough guys that Belichick usually likes out on the edges

975
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: of his defense. So is this kind of a nod

976
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: to that Mike saying we need to get faster and

977
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: more athletic on the back end.

978
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 5: So this is really interesting to me, Chris, because remember

979
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 5: they were at pick fourteen and Christian Gonzales was there,

980
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 5: and they traded back to seventeen, right, Steelers. Steelers came

981
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 5: up to Broderick Jones. And when the Patriots did that,

982
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 5: to me, that's a tip off that they had a

983
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 5: couple players that they were comfortable with that even if

984
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: they dropped back, they were comfortable with taking at seventeen.

985
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 5: So it tells me that they weren't like, we gotta

986
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 5: have Christian Gonzalez. This. I can't believe he's there turn

987
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 5: in the card, right, because all they got was a

988
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 5: fourth round pick to move back. So I start with

989
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 5: that context. Okay, but but I do think they really

990
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 5: like him because of his length, Like think of all

991
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 5: their corners Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Jack Jones. These are

992
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 5: smaller guys, shiftier guys, Christian Gonzalez, longer strider like you

993
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: mentioned Chris, And I think the physicality is why he

994
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: was available. When I talked to other teams, they said, yeah,

995
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 5: you know, that was a part of his game that

996
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 5: you're projecting a little bit more. But I would say

997
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 5: to them, Chris, they feel like he will be physical enough,

998
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 5: they will make sure of it. This is not a

999
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: guy who's not you know, you see players where he's

1000
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 5: willing to get in there and make the tackle. It

1001
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 5: was just inconsistent in college.

1002
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 2: And they kind of doubled down later in the draft.

1003
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: Have we seen other teams do even the Bills do

1004
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: this once in a while. They take a mere speed

1005
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: and Isaiah Bolden a couple of defensive backs later in

1006
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: the draft, just to make sure you know one of

1007
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: them is going to hit in some way, shape or form.

1008
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: And we've seen the Patriots make you know, chicken salad

1009
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: out of other players as well, so you know they

1010
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: did double down this. What about the rest of these

1011
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: guys lower in the draft, and what does that say

1012
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: about the depth or what they're looking for.

1013
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 5: So on those two guys in particular, Steve, I think

1014
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 5: this is right in your wheelhouse. Those are traits guys

1015
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 5: who they're projecting first and foremost, like if they make

1016
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 5: our team, they'll play on fourth down. A mere speed.

1017
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 5: Matt grow the director of player personnel said his last

1018
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 5: name's perfect because he's so fast. And then Isaiah Bolden

1019
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 5: and the last seventh round pick, it's a dynamic kick

1020
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 5: returner out of Jackson State. So I think for them,

1021
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: they sort of get to the end of the draft

1022
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: and they say, let's look at like an elite trait

1023
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: and then see if we can take that elite trait

1024
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 5: harness it, see if it sticks on the fifty three

1025
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 5: man roster if not, the practice squad, and sort of

1026
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 5: it grows from there and maybe they show up on

1027
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 5: defense at some point, but initially like that would be

1028
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: a big jump for both those guys to make.

1029
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that kid led the nation and kick

1030
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: return at which almost thirty seven yards a kick return.

1031
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting too. The teams are starting

1032
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: to look for guys who play defense but can return

1033
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: kicks or play special teams, so that on the offensive

1034
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: side of the roster. They can keep an extra wide

1035
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: receiver that doesn't have to be a special teams guy,

1036
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 2: can be a player or you know, a third down

1037
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: player or and it gives them more flexibility with personnel.

1038
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: So getting those guys that can handle the ball and

1039
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: special teams as well as cover it, there's an interesting

1040
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: move on their part getting guys that are like, first

1041
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: and foremost defensive players and then secondarily or maybe primarily

1042
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: special teams guys.

1043
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definitely And Chris you mentioned and Steve you

1044
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 5: mentioned special teams. You know, one of the things that

1045
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 5: really stung the Patriots if you go back, you know

1046
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 5: Tyler Bass, great kicker for the Bills. That was the

1047
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 5: year the Patriots had drafted a kicker in the fifth round.

1048
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 5: I believe Justin Rhorwasser never kicked for them. So the

1049
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 5: Patriots in this draft, with the twelve picks they had,

1050
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 5: they traded up for a kicker in the fourth round,

1051
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 5: Chad Ryland out of Maryland. And they also took a

1052
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: punter in the early part of the sixth round, Bryce

1053
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 5: Sphringer out of Michigan State. And so they hope that

1054
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 5: they've got their two specialists like and I use the

1055
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 5: Bills as an example, sort of like long term to

1056
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 5: lock those down because again, going back to that last

1057
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 5: Patriots Bills game, they had Nick Folk kicking off, who

1058
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 5: wasn't their regular kickoff guy. You saw his leg wasn't

1059
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 5: that strong? Leads to the two kickoff returns for touchdowns.

1060
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 5: Tightening up those areas obviously part of their mindset as well.

1061
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to Day two of the draft, Keon

1062
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: White Marte Maphu two players that have some position flexibility.

1063
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, I know Bill doesn't give you guys a

1064
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: whole lot here, but is the anticipation that White isn't,

1065
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, is like an end or a five technique

1066
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: in that three to four and then might kick inside

1067
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: on passing downs. And then with Mapu, is is he

1068
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a linebacker you think? Or is he going

1069
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: to be a safety in that three safety rotation that

1070
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: they like to run.

1071
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 5: So Keon White is interesting in that they were actually

1072
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: Chris They were considering him in the first round. I

1073
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 5: know that for a fact. I know teams say that, right,

1074
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: but they feel like they got a first round caliber

1075
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 5: player in the second round. You say, well, why was

1076
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 5: he there? I think his interviews with some teams I

1077
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: was told weren't fantastic, and that might have led some

1078
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 5: teams to cool on him. But I don't think many

1079
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 5: teams have questions about like what he did on the field.

1080
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 5: It was very impressive. And I think for the Patriots,

1081
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 5: they do a lot of different things on defense, multiple fronts.

1082
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 5: One week it might be one thing and the next

1083
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 5: week it might be something different, and I think ke

1084
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 5: On White's versatility plays into that. And then for Mapoo.

1085
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 5: You know, guys, there's one play that I would point

1086
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: out when I think about Marte Mapu, and it's a

1087
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 5: Bills play. Actually, do you remember Patriots Bills game here

1088
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 5: in Foxborough when Josh Allen rolls out and is like

1089
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 5: keeping the play alive and it looks like he's about

1090
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 5: to go out of bounds on the right sideline and

1091
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 5: at the last minute he throws it into the end

1092
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 5: zone for a touchdown, and you're like, only Josh Allen

1093
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: can make that play. And I thought about that, literally,

1094
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 5: that play when they drafted map who in the third round,

1095
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 5: and I said, that's the type of here it is.

1096
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 5: You guys are unbelievable pulling up the play what a

1097
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 5: show that, I said, And watch this number thirty. There's

1098
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: a linebacker that's him, Mac Wilson. This is literally the

1099
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: play I was talking about. Make that tackle, hard tackle

1100
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 5: to make, but I thought a mop who, I said,

1101
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 5: that's that's probably what they have in mind if he

1102
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 5: develops to be that dying linebacker when you're playing Josh

1103
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 5: Allen and let me look at this. You guys are unbelievable.

1104
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 5: This is awesome. That's the play right there. Can you

1105
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 5: make that tackle? That's literally a.

1106
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: Play I was thinking of.

1107
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: And Mac mac Wilson is another guy that was chasing

1108
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: Nahem Hines on the first kick return for a touchdown.

1109
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: He was the last guy. He didn't have an angle.

1110
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying mac Wilson isn't an athlete. I mean

1111
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: he had a horrible angle on that after he busted

1112
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: it outside. But it's kind of funny that thirty was

1113
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: the guy trying to tackle Josh. He was also the

1114
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: last guy chasing naim Linestown.

1115
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: What do you megan? I said, they doubled down. They

1116
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: had three three defensive backs, two corners and a defensive

1117
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 2: back and a mere speed and then the two other

1118
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: guys the two guys in the background were special teams guys,

1119
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: but also you know, down on distance defensive backs. But

1120
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: they also took three offensive line interior interior offensive lineman,

1121
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: two guards and a center. What does that say and

1122
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: got some pretty good measurables as well. What does that

1123
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: say about, you know, their philosophy going forward with Mac

1124
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: Jones and Bill O'Brien.

1125
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve, this was actually really interesting to me because

1126
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 5: all three of those offensive linemen took top thirty visits

1127
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 5: to the Patriots, and so what that told me was

1128
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 5: they had they had really targeted those guys and said,

1129
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 5: you know, like and probably in that range in this draft.

1130
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 5: So I don't I think big picture their thoughts on

1131
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 5: the prospects in this draft. I don't think they thought

1132
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 5: it was the greatest overall draft. So they were picking

1133
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 5: their and they wanted to improve their depth and toughness

1134
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 5: on the offensive line. So if one of their starters

1135
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 5: goes down, they felt like they had a high enough

1136
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 5: caliber replacement. And that to me was the story of

1137
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 5: Jake Andrews, the center from Troy. If David Andrews, they're

1138
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 5: a veterans starting center entering his ninth year. If he's

1139
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: out who you're putting in there. Let's get a kid

1140
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 5: top of the fourth round that we feel good about,

1141
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 5: City sal out of Eastern Michigan, a big sort of

1142
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 5: guard tackle type. Develop him right that if maybe next

1143
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 5: year or down the line, he can be a big,

1144
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 5: powerful player. And then Antonio'maffi in the fifth round after

1145
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: trading back again like sort of a big, hulkish type

1146
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 5: right guard profile. I think this is I'll use like

1147
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 5: what Michael Lombardi, who had been Bill Belichick's former assistant

1148
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,959
Speaker 5: back in fourteen and fifteen, said to me. He said

1149
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 5: that this is team building. This is Bill Belichick sort

1150
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 5: of looking at it saying, you know, I got to

1151
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 5: build up my depth and quality along the offensive line,

1152
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 5: maybe not just with twenty twenty three in mind, but

1153
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and beyond.

1154
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I gotta believe we're going to see

1155
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: an awful lot of Ramandre Stevenson again. When you see

1156
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: two young linemen being brought in that are both over

1157
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: three twenty and playing in the guard position, I mean,

1158
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: it's not like they're getting three hundred and five, three

1159
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: hundred and ten pounders. They're getting guys with some beef

1160
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: to kind of clear the path in between the tackles.

1161
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 1: So I thought that was very telling. Speaking of offensive linemen, though,

1162
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: switching gears to the free agent acquisitions.

1163
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: Mike.

1164
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: Riley Reef right now is penciled in as the starting

1165
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: right tackle. I think most of us would agree. He's

1166
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: closer to the end of his career than the beginning,

1167
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: and injuries have cropped up. So I guess the question

1168
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: here is do they really see Reef getting through seventeen

1169
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 1: games this year? And if not, what's the contingency plan there.

1170
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a surprise to many of us who

1171
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 5: cover the team guys that they didn't draft an offensive

1172
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 5: tackle and so you got Trent Brown coming back, Riley Reef.

1173
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 5: So Trent Brown probably at left tackle, Riley Reef probably

1174
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 5: at right tackle. Calvin Anderson they signed from the Broncos.

1175
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: He's a fourth year player and they feel actually like

1176
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 5: he's a possible swing tackle option. They like him in

1177
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 5: that mix. And they have old friend Connor McDermott, who,

1178
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 5: of course y'all know from his time in Buffalo, who

1179
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 5: they had to go sign off the Jets practice squad

1180
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 5: last year when they had a run of injuries at

1181
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: offensive tackle. So well, you know, that looks to me

1182
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 5: to be a spot where you say they could be vulnerable.

1183
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 5: But last year, I mean, I almost wonder if it's

1184
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 5: better than last year. But is it good enough? I

1185
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 5: think that's a fair question to ask.

1186
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: Also, what happened to the Buffalo One of the things

1187
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: that happened to the Buffalo Bills this offseason they signed

1188
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: Damien Harris, former Patriot, to a one year deal. Well,

1189
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: can you tell us about that running back coming over

1190
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: the Bills? What are they getting Steve?

1191
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 5: He is a tough, physical inside runner. He can run

1192
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 5: outside too, but to me, he gets those those dirty yards,

1193
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 5: if you want to use the term like, he brings

1194
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 5: a physical element to the team and maybe just like

1195
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 5: a little behind the scenes for those who are are watching,

1196
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: he brought an energy to practice. So we would be

1197
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 5: sitting out there as reporters covering the team, and we

1198
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 5: would hear this voice, you know, sort of like hooting

1199
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 5: and hollering on his way up the stairs to the

1200
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 5: practice field, and he's got this sort of deep voice.

1201
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 5: It's it's very you know, distinguishable, and it was him,

1202
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 5: you know. So he brings energy, physicality, I would say

1203
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 5: as a pass catcher probably a little more on the

1204
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 5: limited side. I don't want to say he can't do it.

1205
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 5: You might recall yet in that last game there was

1206
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 5: a lower throw that mac Jones had to him sort

1207
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 5: of couldn't corral. It popped up in the air, and

1208
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 5: I believe the Bills intercepted it. So I would say,

1209
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 5: that's probably not what you're putting him on the field

1210
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 5: to do. But if he needs to catch the ball,

1211
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 5: he can do it. But good hard runner who I

1212
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 5: think adds a physical element to your offense.

1213
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: And then I would say the two headline offensive skill

1214
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: position additions for the Patriots are Kasicki and Juju Smith Schuster.

1215
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: Are we envisioning like a double slot look from the

1216
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: Patriots with Bill O'Brien at the helm with these two guys,

1217
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: and where does that leave Hunter Henry, who's a pretty

1218
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: good pass catching tight end in his own writer? Are

1219
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: we looking at a lot of twelve personnel here? Even

1220
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: though Gasicki is essentially a tight receiver, not a true

1221
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: tight end, He's going to be flexed out a lot.

1222
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 1: What are we anticipating here from a personnel grouping perspective?

1223
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 5: Good thoughts, Chris, I mean, there's so there was a moment.

1224
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 5: We talked to Bill O'Brien a couple of weeks ago

1225
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 5: and we actually asked him similar questions and his response was,

1226
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 5: I would be stupid to tell you what I'm thinking

1227
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 5: of doing.

1228
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1229
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 5: He wants to keep the guest work going. And for Gasecki,

1230
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 5: I'm told they view him more like a slot receiver,

1231
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 5: like you said, Chris, So you might say it's twelve personnel,

1232
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 5: but I think if I'm Sean McDermott, and again I

1233
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 5: keep going back, since we're talking, you know Bill's show,

1234
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 5: you probably look at that more like a three receiver set,

1235
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 5: even though Gasecki has the te in front of his

1236
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 5: name on the roster. So I think we'll see Hunter,

1237
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 5: Henry and Gaseki in the field together. But to me,

1238
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 5: probably not when you think of two tight ends, I'm

1239
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 5: not thinking like that's a heavy run based identity, if

1240
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 5: that makes sense. So they'll mix and match.

1241
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Smith Schuster, I mean, he's he's your

1242
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: number one slot guy, is he not?

1243
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 5: Or I think I think that that's right, Chris, And

1244
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 5: I think what they like about him is the run

1245
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 5: after the catch. You know, look at what mac Jones

1246
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 5: does best. Accuracy, decision making, put the ball in the

1247
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 5: right place with Juju, and look at what he can

1248
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 5: do after the catch. Let's see right here, there's a

1249
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 5: quick sideline route from Juju there. So I think they

1250
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 5: like the physicality and the toughness of Juju and Bill

1251
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 5: Belichick had talk here. Here's a good one there, you know,

1252
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 5: just a little short pass. Look at the yards after

1253
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 5: the catch there in that game against the Raiders. So

1254
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 5: I think that type of stuff is what they envision

1255
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 5: with him. And I think health is important for us

1256
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 5: to mention when it comes to him. I mean, he

1257
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 5: was really banged up at the end of last year,

1258
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 5: and they got to get him right and try to

1259
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 5: get him through a full season, Like you mentioned Chris,

1260
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 5: with Riley Reef at thirty four years old on the

1261
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 5: offensive line, you know, got to think big picture here,

1262
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 5: long season for these guys.

1263
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 2: Last one for me, Mike, is that you know they

1264
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 2: hired Bill O'Brien the offensive coordinate. What are the early

1265
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: returns on the relationship between him and Mac Jones. Obviously

1266
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: they've got a little bit of experience together from their

1267
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: time in Alabama. What has been Has there anything been

1268
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: any reports as to how they get along, what they're

1269
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: looking for, all that kind of thing.

1270
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve, So I hear good things. And the first

1271
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 5: part is that they cross paths briefly at Alabama when

1272
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 5: Mac Jones was coming out in the twenty twenty one draft,

1273
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien was actually going into Alabama as their offensive

1274
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 5: coordinator and Mack was down there and actually had sat

1275
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 5: down with Bill O'Brien and explained some stuff about the

1276
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 5: offense and whatnot. So they had a little bit of

1277
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 5: a foundation to work with from that standpoint, and they

1278
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 5: haven't done much on the field yet. But what I

1279
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 5: was actually talking to someone this morning, and basically what

1280
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 5: I was told is they have a more defined system

1281
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 5: now and that that seems to have comforted Mac to

1282
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 5: a point where he seems like he's in a better place.

1283
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Speaker 5: And I say that, guys with this caveat like every

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01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 5: single team in the league can sit here and tell

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Speaker 5: you it's looking good. We're upbeat. You know, things are

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01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 5: headed in the right direction. Everyone's getting better right now.

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Speaker 5: There's a long long way to go, but I think

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Speaker 5: they feel like, at least in New England, the foundation

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Speaker 5: is there to try to move this thing forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least it defines structure to everything. Yeah, all right, Mike, listen,

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Speaker 1: thanks for catching us up on the Pats. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll catch up with you down the line as we

1293
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: get closer to the regular season. Enjoy your summer and

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: hopefully a little downtime.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, guys. I love coming on and talking ball with you.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe you guys pulled out that play.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned it about crack. Yeah, we got guys, man,

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Speaker 2: we got some guys.

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Speaker 5: That's a big time that's big time production right there

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,799
Speaker 5: behind the scenes. I love it. I love talking ball.

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Speaker 1: With you guys. All right, take care of Mike. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: your summer.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's Mike Raaes ESPN NFL reporter for the Patriots.

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: Been covering that team for a long time and really

1306
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: kind of knows all the ins and outs of what's

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01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: going on up there.

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go deflate the guys in the

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Speaker 2: control room.

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Speaker 1: Now, Oh my god, their heads are probably as big

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Speaker 1: as Calm down back.

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Speaker 2: There, you guy, you're doing a nice job. Don't get

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 2: over you know, just calm down.

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Speaker 1: Steve will tamp that down here.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest. He's right.

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Speaker 2: We've done that a number of times. We call out

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: a play, we're talking about it and they pull it

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 2: out and oh, you take it for granted.

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: And yeah, well we do, but I'm just taking such

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Speaker 1: we take.

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Speaker 2: You guys so for granted. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this though, in all fairness, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike works for a major network. I mean, the guy

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: works for ESPN. He does TV work and it's not

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01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: just ESPN dot com stuff, so he knows what good

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01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: production value looks like. And he was very quick and

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Speaker 1: deservedly so, I mean, our guys do a great job.

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: And you know, we talk about something. Thirty seconds later

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Speaker 1: they got it out of the archive and up on

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Speaker 1: the screen for our MSG viewers. So yeah, they do

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Speaker 1: an excellent job. And believe me, we don't. We do

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Speaker 1: not take them for granted. We probably don't give him

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01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: enough kudos on the air.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking them for granted. I'm pretty sure. Okay, I'm

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: pretty sure we're taking.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break here when we come back. Some

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: thoughts on the tweet sheet from you as to what

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: you actually think the biggest surprise the Patriots could pull

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: off here in year one under Bill O'Brien on offense

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Speaker 1: and with all the additions they made in the draft

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Speaker 1: and free agency with names like Juju Smith, Schuster and

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Speaker 1: Micah Sicky. Next here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: Collide Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right. Back here

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown Steve Task your good

1345
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: conversation there with Mike Grease about how the Patriots are

1346
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: looking heading into the twenty twenty three campaign. And so

1347
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: we'll be taking a look at the AFC East clubs

1348
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: now that the bulk of off season roster construction is over,

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: we do want to get to the tweet sheet to

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: get some of your thoughts on what you think would

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: be the biggest surprise from the Patriots this season. Tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet brought to you, as always by Corrigan Moving System,

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Speaker 1: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: Andrew leads us off there and he says the immediate

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: impact of Gonzales in the defensive backfield. This man has

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: the talent to be a very good corner in this league,

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: and with Jones helping every step of the way, teaching

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: him the finer steps, he could make Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: I am just gonna say this, Steve, and I know

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01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: I said it earlier when we had Mike on on

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Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales. I don't know if I've seen a looser

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: athlete at the corner position in a long long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking like all the way back to maybe Champ Bailey.

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01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: That's like the last guy that I can look at

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01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: and say, man, that is a ridiculous athlete.

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: Seeming different though he makes playing corner look easy. Yeah,

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: this guy Gonzalez, and you brought my attention to it,

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: and you've said it a bunch even before the draft.

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Speaker 2: And let me just say this. He plays at a

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Speaker 2: high level, very casually.

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Speaker 1: It feel like he's got it in a third gear, like

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to put it into fourth or fifth.

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: He is like totally on, just on a pro glide.

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Speaker 2: But he is always there. He's right there, He's always

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01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: where he's supposed to be. Makes great place. But it

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01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: looks his economy of movement is unbelievable, and it almost,

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: like you say, it evokes almost a an easy he

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 2: does it attitude in his body language and the way

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01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,520
Speaker 2: he plays the game. It's really it's really unique.

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Speaker 1: And maybe because he is so athletic, it's harder to

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: notice the physical aspects of his game. To me, though,

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: I was surprised that the Patriots liked him because in

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01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: my estimation, he's not a Patriots corner in the mold

1384
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: of what Bill Belichick expects. He has the length, but

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01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: after that, it's all out the window as far as

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, because he is a dragdown tackler. You know,

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01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that's gonna laybel people, not a

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna help and run support on the edge

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01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: like him on Ramandre Stevenson in training camp. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to get a look at that. Yeah, I don't think

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna look real good. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying he's got to light people up,

1394
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: but I.

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01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,879
Speaker 2: Don't see him shying away from contact.

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01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: But there's strength that's missing there.

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 2: But I don't. When you see him play, he tackles

1398
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: like he plays. He plays very casually. Yeah, you know,

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: like he tackles the same way he plays corner. He

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Speaker 2: takes it easy, like.

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: Even when he's got somebody wrapped up, they're still gonna

1402
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: get two more yards because he's a dragged down tackler.

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: He is he does not play with a grit and

1404
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 2: an edge and attitude.

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01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: And that and that's what surprised me from a from

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01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: a skill set makeup that Belichick said, oh, yeah, we'll

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: take that guy. I mean that means he was one

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01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: of the three players they were considering at fourteen if

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01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: they took him at seventeen when they traded down, and

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01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: so I'm very interested to see it was how that

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Speaker 1: plays out.

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: It was a deep year for corners too, so they

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01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: probably had another corner if they were going to go

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01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: to that position, there was probably another guy available there

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01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: that they liked as well, even if it was at

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 2: the same position, if it was a different guy. But yeah,

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of with you on this.

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: It's a shift in philosophy on what they look for

1419
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: in corners as I see it, and I think it

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01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: is a nod to the fact that, holy crap, we

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01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: got like speed demons outside in this entire division. Garrett Wilson,

1422
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Stefan Diggs. We got to play

1423
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: these teams twice a year. We need a guy that

1424
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Speaker 1: can run with those people.

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Speaker 2: There was not a guy that's going to get the

1426
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: Patriots over the top talent wise in this draft. Offensively,

1427
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean, even if they draft the guy the Bills

1428
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: got Dalton Kincaid, you'd be like, okay, but they already

1429
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and they're having struggling to get those guys

1430
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: the ball. It would have been different because they just

1431
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: two years ago when they played the but they looked

1432
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: old and slow and this last year game right, and

1433
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: last year was a little better, but they're they're just missing.

1434
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: It was hard to evaluate their offense the way their

1435
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: offense looks. So in this draft they I feel that

1436
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: they had to go defense because there.

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Speaker 1: Was nobody value wasnfense.

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't gonna get anbody who's gonna put them

1439
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: over the top or even near the top in their

1440
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: own division, let alone the league.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I think Gonzales was acceptable to them,

1442
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: because here's a guy that can at least run with

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Speaker 1: some of those players because of his elite athleticism. And

1444
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Speaker 1: I think Belichick moved away from what he usually looks

1445
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 1: for in a corner. I mean, Gilmore is a great athlete,

1446
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: but that guy plays physical. I mean when they signed

1447
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: him in free agencies to fon Gilmore, because that guy

1448
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: has a physical style that lines up with what Belichick

1449
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: looks for in cornerbacks Tye Law physical corner like you

1450
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like athlete, but physical in the

1451
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: run front, and Gonzales does not have that. What he

1452
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: does offer them is the ability to run with some

1453
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: of those elite speed receivers. Rick on the tweets Sheeve,

1454
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: when asked what would be the biggest surprise from the

1455
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: Patriots this season, says winning more than seven games. I

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01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: have them at six and eleven.

1457
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: He says, well, I mean I can go down.

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01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a shock.

1459
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can.

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01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,520
Speaker 1: The AFCs teams have a tough schedules.

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Speaker 2: Their first here's their first four games, Philly, Miami, the

1462
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: Jets and Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Who oh.

1464
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: You think about that for me? Wow, Eagles, the Dolphins,

1465
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 2: the Jets, and the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: They might be owing four.

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01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: I mean they now they got the Saints after that

1468
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 2: and then the Raiders, so they could you know, softens

1469
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: the right, it softens up there a little bit. But

1470
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: then they could be if they were to go oh

1471
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Speaker 2: and four and they're two and four coming in, they

1472
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Speaker 2: got Buffalo the next week, and then the Dolphins again,

1473
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: so it ain't gonna you know, I mean, it's.

1474
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Speaker 1: Then at the Giants against the Steelers, or at the

1475
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Speaker 1: Giants play the Chargers at home, at the Steelers Chiefs

1476
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: at home at Denver, which is never easy place to play.

1477
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: They finish up with the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, six and eleven sounds about right.

1479
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's the way. That's where the division is. They're

1480
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: playing the West just like the Bills are, and they're

1481
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: playing the NFC East just like the Bills are. It's

1482
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: rough man to come out and play the NFC champions

1483
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: opening Day, even though it's at home, and they start

1484
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: with two home games, so that's that's good for them,

1485
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: but man, oh man, Yeah, those first four games are tough.

1486
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: Mark on the tweets, she says, I would be completely

1487
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: surprised if they end up with a better record than

1488
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: the Jets and Dolphins. Somehow, that would be a surprise.

1489
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot to put together there after the disaster

1490
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: that was last season, and it's not like you don't

1491
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: have a qualified person and Bill O'Brien to do that

1492
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: for you. But it's still year one of this thing.

1493
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of new pieces KASICKI Smith Schuster, I mean,

1494
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: he's got it's all got to get on the same

1495
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 1: page with people for the first time ever. They're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be primary components of the passing game, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like.

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Speaker 2: The three offensive line interior offensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna start. None of them are going to

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Speaker 1: start ideally. And then you got Riley Reef, who's I mean,

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01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: he's New England's version of Tront Armstead. He's gonna play

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01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: right tackle at age thirty four. And you hope that

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01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: you can keep them together with duck tape and you know,

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: needle and threat.

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01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: The Patriots and Bills fans of a certain age are

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: all too familiar with this before Sean McDermott, before Josh Allen.

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 2: Where you're every year you go in like the Bills

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: used to going, there's a lot of question marks on

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01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: your roster. Now, sometimes some of those question marks get answered, yes, hey,

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01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: we got it. More often than not, though there are

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01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: too many questions, and if one or two of them

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01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: are the answer is absolutely not, you're gonna struggle. So

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01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: you know, when you've got as many question marks as

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01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots do coming into this season, that's a lot

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01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: of answers to get yes to have a good season,

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: and more often than not, it's hard to answer all

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01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: those questions in the affirmative, you know, all at once

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01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: in one off season, and that you know, so you

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01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: just got to think you don't know what it's going

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01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: to be. But some of those guys they brought in,

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01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: some of those things they tried to fix, are not

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Speaker 2: going to work.

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01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: David on the tweet, she says, I've been a Pats

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: fan since they changed unis in ninety three when Bledsoe

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01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: and Parcels came in. They need to remove Belichick and

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Speaker 1: have a clear direction, which they have not had. I

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01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but what they've been doing is bad. If

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Speaker 1: there's an eight and nine season, Belichick is gone and

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01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo will be the head coach, where Tom Brady

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01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: might come back as a coach or player. That last

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01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: part's wrong. Brady's looking to become an owner in this league.

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Speaker 1: He's already talking to the Raiders about being a minority

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01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: owner there, and he's also he's all not coming back

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Speaker 1: as a coacher.

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Speaker 2: He's also got a contract to be to be an

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01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: an analyst for Fox. That's worth more than being a

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01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: head coach, so and easier and easier. Yeah, there's no

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Speaker 2: scoreboard when you're in the booth, take my word for it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that eight and nine is going

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01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: to Bill Belichick. Fired Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: That'll be two straight years of missing the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, welcome to the NFL for the first time

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: in twenty five years. So I think my guess is,

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01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 2: and I you know, Robert Kraft is a relationship first guy,

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: and I think it would be Bill Belichick stepping away

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: of his own volition rather than getting fired. I don't

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01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: know that that would happen. I don't think Bill Belichick's

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01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: kind of got to walk away, except ask the Jets

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: he did it after one day. But I think they're

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01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 2: at a situation in that franchise where Robert Kraft would say, Bill,

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01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: you can stay as long as you want, you can

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01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: leave on your own terms. He may pressure him say hey,

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01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 2: maybe it's time. But I don't know that Robert Kraft

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Speaker 2: would ever put himself in a position to fire a

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Speaker 2: guy who took him to ten Super Bowls or nine

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 2: Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: From mcwill on the tweet sheet that Mac Joe proving

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: to be anything more than a poor man's Kirk Cousins happens.

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Speaker 1: So he's saying his biggest surprise would be if Matt

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Speaker 1: Jones raises his game to a level higher than we

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Speaker 1: saw in his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: Coaching matters.

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01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: It does as we saw last year coach, he.

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01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: Regressed horribly coaching matters. I'm not I don't I'm not

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01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: bailing out on mac Jones completely. Now. Certainly he's no

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He's a Latin Mahomes. He's not Joe Burrow,

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01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: He's not Justin Herbert. I mean, you can go down

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Speaker 2: the list of guys he's not. But he's I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's Tua.

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Speaker 5: Is he?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's Tua.

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01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had better coaching last Tua had better coaching.

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Speaker 1: Last year, that's true, and better talent.

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Speaker 2: You if you offered, if you well, which one would

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01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: you say, would you take Tua or mac Jones? Which

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01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: would you take? I'd take mac Jones?

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Speaker 1: Is that solely because he stays healthy better? Is that

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01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: the only what's the main reason you take Jones? What's

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Speaker 1: the number one reason you take mac Jones over too?

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Speaker 2: I'm just asking, Yeah, health and there's no other reason

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Speaker 2: not to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tua when he's healthy led the league in

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Speaker 1: passer rating. He's got enormous talent around him. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I will say this.

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Speaker 2: Jones does not have enormous talent around.

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Speaker 1: I will say this. Jalen Waddle, when he got drafted

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01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: by the Dolphins and was asked which Alabama which former

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01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback that you played with in college? Would you

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01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: rather play with Mac Jones or two? He said Mac

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Speaker 1: after he got drafted by the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'm I'm right.

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Speaker 1: Well that settles it, Thank you, Jalen. We'll take a

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Speaker 1: break here some final thoughts on the tweet sheet where

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Speaker 1: we've been asking you what would be the biggest surprise

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01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,879
Speaker 1: from the Patriots this season since not much is expected

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Speaker 1: from them. We got a couple of final thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the tweet sheet that you don't want to miss, including

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Speaker 1: one from uncle. We'll get to that when we return

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Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live. Stay tune, all right, it's

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Speaker 1: the final thoughts here on a tweet sheet on what

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Speaker 1: would be the biggest surprise from the Patriots this season.

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01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Eric says that they don't cheat old memories. Die Hard,

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Steve from Uncle Drunk winning more than two divisional games.

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Speaker 2: The Jets are zero to fourteen against him in their

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: last seven years. The Jets can't beat him. Now they

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01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 2: got Aaron Rodgers that may change things. But saying they're

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Speaker 2: going to win and win one or two of those,

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01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: that's saying something because they haven't been able to. And

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01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: that's been through a couple of different coaches and a

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: bunch of players that are different on the Jets. So

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01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 2: we'll see. Yeah, Patriots, nobody knows more than the Buffalo

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 2: Bill's how tough the Patriots are to beat. Anticipate that changing.

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Speaker 1: Patriots lost to the Packers last year with Aaron Rodgers

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01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: by a field goal four, and.

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01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: The Jets have a better last year. The Jets have

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01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: a better roster this year than the Packers did last

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01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: year around Aaron much on offense, Yes, defensively too. I

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01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: bet I would rather take. I'd rather take. I think

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01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 2: the Jets are younger, Yes, I would. I would say

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: the Jets are better than the Packers were last year.

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01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 2: The Bills thumped the Packers. The Packers scored late to

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01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: get it to within ten. The Bills thumped the Packers.

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01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: They just absolutely strangled them. That was like, that was

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01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 2: that game that I equated to a bullet constrictor. They

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01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: just squeezed them until they just until they were no more.

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01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 2: That's how that game went. The second half. The Bills

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01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: just you know, wouldn't let him, wouldn't let him score.

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01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't. I think the Patriots are still

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: going to be a very difficult team to beat, like

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: they always are under Bill Belichick. You gotta do it

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01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 2: right or they'll beat you. That's just the way it

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: is with them.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at their division record two and two. They

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Speaker 1: were three and three in the division last year in

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01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: an abominable offense season. Pretty interesting. I don't know what

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01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna look like, but it can't be as bad

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01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: as last year. Steve and I'll see tomorrow one