Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
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Speaker 2: Yes, baby, what you need?
Speaker 3: What you need, daddy, Like okay, you know, and it's been.
Speaker 4: We've been like we've been like good, like of course, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna get into a little like a but it's
Speaker 4: it's nothing like nothing. And I do find myself like listening, listen, listening, like, Okay.
Speaker 1: You just gave us that's the truth, right, And the
Speaker 1: truth is this is why you have to communicate, right,
Speaker 1: But you have to communicate effectively, right, because.
Speaker 2: You can't have two men. Ego is a man.
Speaker 1: That's why men have egos. Is that fair to say, Pete?
Speaker 1: Men have egos?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean everybody has something, but I mean in
Speaker 5: the relationship dynamic, I mean it's the issue is it's
Speaker 5: like to me, women want to be led, but they
Speaker 5: don't want to not they don't want to acknowledge that
Speaker 5: there is a leader in the room and they're not it.
Speaker 6: I don't think that's necessarily always true. Now, there are
Speaker 6: women that do need or think they need to lead.
Speaker 6: I was one of them. I am not no, I
Speaker 6: am no longer one of them. But I do know
Speaker 6: a lot of women that I absolutely don't want to
Speaker 6: lead shit. They absolutely are okay with the man leading
Speaker 6: and doing and providing and doing everything.
Speaker 3: They are okay.
Speaker 1: That's not I'm sure they okay with somebody taking care
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: There's not a it's just taking okay with.
Speaker 1: The man taking care of her, not be okay minding
Speaker 1: somebody right now. And because because of the connotation of
Speaker 1: minding right like listening to somebody give you directions.
Speaker 6: I'm good with that now. I just be like, hey,
Speaker 6: don't go here, okay. But I think that also comes
Speaker 6: with the trust in the relationship and who you're with.
Speaker 6: And that's that's where I fucked up. I was dealing
Speaker 6: with motherfuckers that I really didn't trust like that. And
Speaker 6: that's that's the honest to god truth. Because if I
Speaker 6: really trusted my man, I'm going to let him leave
Speaker 6: me and he's going to tell when he tells me something,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be like, okay, babe, you're right, okay or whatever.
Speaker 6: But before I was dealing motherfuckers, and I'm like, nigga,
Speaker 6: you could do that, then why would I listen to you?
Speaker 1: Would why would you sleep with anybody, you wouldn't listen
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: I know that that makes it, that sounds it makes
Speaker 3: a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know when you say that. But these
Speaker 4: are these are things that we were learning as we're growing.
Speaker 1: It's like a man sleeping with somebody he doesn't want
Speaker 1: you get pregnant.
Speaker 3: No, don't get it right. I stand in my ship.
Speaker 3: I know what time it was.
Speaker 6: I knew, and it took me a while to understand
Speaker 6: that because I'm dealing with you and my question like
Speaker 6: the guy I told you can't get right, and you're like,
Speaker 6: why the hell you call them? Why are you dealing
Speaker 6: with Mike King? As I got older, yeah, I laugh
Speaker 6: at it now, like why was I.
Speaker 3: Dealing with this person?
Speaker 6: Like what the hell was wrong with you? You saw
Speaker 6: all the red flags? You something the game? The man
Speaker 6: can't get right the niggas name is, can't get right
Speaker 6: in your phone, like can't get literally not think like so.
Speaker 3: And and that's that's where we have to learn to say,
Speaker 3: you know what we can be by o women.
Speaker 1: We don't need to you know, some women come from
Speaker 1: a background where again they lead a poly relationship. They're
Speaker 1: dating their ego and their men, and some women are
Speaker 1: dating their ego, their man and their kids.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, I think that with with me, I
Speaker 4: was I'm just so used to leading, like making decisions
Speaker 4: and just kind of doing my own thing. At the
Speaker 4: same time, It's like then I'm wondering, like, okay, well
Speaker 4: what are you you know, what are you bringing to
Speaker 4: the table, Like we can't talk on the same level
Speaker 4: or we're not interested in the same things. But once
Speaker 4: I realized, like, okay, you know, you got to take
Speaker 4: this ego out of the relationship because you're you're not
Speaker 4: a man, like you can't do or be anything close
Speaker 4: to you know, what a man can be. And I
Speaker 4: didn't want to be a woman, so.
Speaker 2: Well, I disagree, you can you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you and Briad have did the same things
Speaker 1: that a man have done.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying with the feeling as far as the
Speaker 4: feeling that I want from somebody else, a man, a
Speaker 4: woman can't give that to me, so unless I want
Speaker 4: it to be by myself, I'm like, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 4: but what is.
Speaker 1: The feeling specifically? Is it to be cared for or
Speaker 1: is it just the fact that he has a penis?
Speaker 1: Biologically is different, you know what I'm saying, Like he
Speaker 1: can the puzzle is different, and that's what these are. No,
Speaker 1: but these is real questions, you know. I mean that
Speaker 1: people need to ask.
Speaker 3: I want to feel protected, like wow, So.
Speaker 2: Then you know, and that's important right here to feel protected.
Speaker 1: Guess what, like like your child, right, so like like
Speaker 1: let's say Roland, right, like you have to Hey, he
Speaker 1: can't like imagine you trying to protect him and he's
Speaker 1: doing the things that you know could cause him danger.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: That's how it is being a man dealing with a woman.
Speaker 1: So that's why sometimes men tone, especially when you're being
Speaker 1: stubborn like a child, can take the form of talking
Speaker 1: to a child, because that's what it starts to feel like.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure for some women that's what it starts
Speaker 1: to feel like.
Speaker 2: When a man starts to do the wrong thing, he.
Speaker 4: Starts acting like your kid, definitely, yeah, And that's where.
Speaker 3: That's when it goes like that's just like wait.
Speaker 2: What Yes, and kids are kids.
Speaker 1: The only reason they're kids is because they can't be
Speaker 1: accountable for themselves.
Speaker 2: Like that's the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is like I'll argue with friends who have
Speaker 1: grown kids and I'm like they keep trying to treat
Speaker 1: their kids like kids, right, they'll do whatever the kid
Speaker 1: want them to do. But these kids are fucking because
Speaker 1: they're nineteen or twenty. And I tell Mohmi, like, that's
Speaker 1: not no kid, Like, they only plan you to take
Speaker 1: care of them for them to make their own decisions.
Speaker 1: So you gotta find a space in the middle, or
Speaker 1: you're taking care of an adult that you're fucking dating. Right,
Speaker 1: think about it, right, if your son, if your job
Speaker 1: is to protect your son, britt, If like if he's
Speaker 1: trying to go to a a Hoover party and you
Speaker 1: know this is a Hoover party, Well, all the gang
Speaker 1: members are there, and you know that other people know
Speaker 1: they might come shoot it up, and your job is
Speaker 1: taking me.
Speaker 2: Like, don't go to that party.
Speaker 1: And he goes to that party, Guess what you're gonna
Speaker 1: say to him when you figure out he was at
Speaker 1: that party. You're Finnah, fly off the handle because you're
Speaker 1: making my job hard of protection. Well, for women, they
Speaker 1: should think of that the same way when they're talking
Speaker 1: to a man, like if you want you don't want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere Withcauz and you know somebody start to
Speaker 1: put hands on you and he don't help you. But
Speaker 1: if he tell you don't walk in his room with
Speaker 1: all these fucking boxers and tripping ass drunk people and
Speaker 1: your stupid.
Speaker 2: Ass walking, you're gonna get both are ass kid.
Speaker 1: So women cannot date their own ego and a man
Speaker 1: at the same time, a man like a man is
Speaker 1: going to come with an ego because that's what he
Speaker 1: needs to propel himself to the position to take care
Speaker 1: of his family. That's what he should be using it for.
Speaker 1: He should be using it to define his reputation. He
Speaker 1: should be using it to define his credit, should be
Speaker 1: using it to build this economic you know, portfolio is base.
Speaker 2: What are you doing. That's the only thing that's good for.
Speaker 4: So the ego not with with us with women, but
Speaker 4: with everybody else or the outside bro because you know,
Speaker 4: I think men sometimes they don't want to be well,
Speaker 4: they don't want to be vulnerable because they want to
Speaker 4: carry this ego. But we need to, you know, we
Speaker 4: want to fill and see and you know know that
Speaker 4: we can be there for you at those those vulnerable times,
Speaker 4: you know, aside from God. But you know you don't
Speaker 4: have to carry an ego with us all the time
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, that they shouldn't be what you'd still do
Speaker 1: because again you want somebody You're you're asking for women
Speaker 1: to have this weird sense of demand.
Speaker 2: They want a bunch of stuff that don't really go together.
Speaker 1: Imagine your man like, well, I want to know you
Speaker 1: could take care or yourself too, so I could take
Speaker 1: care of you, So you should pay the mortgage every
Speaker 1: other month. You wouldn't see it that way, right, So
Speaker 1: that's how it feels like you're asking your man to
Speaker 1: wanting to be hell of tough. But then he comes
Speaker 1: crying to you because somebody you know at the ice
Speaker 1: cream parlor.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that though, because you don't think.
Speaker 2: It's that deep.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we feel the same. We are the same, right,
Speaker 1: Men and women are the same, right. We all feel
Speaker 1: the same thing. We have extrogen, like y'all have testosterone,
Speaker 1: So we feel certain certain things hurt our feelings that
Speaker 1: probably are not worthy of you know, on the social
Speaker 1: status of your feelings being hurt, but it's still hurts
Speaker 1: your feelings. As I get older, certain scenes in movie
Speaker 1: that I saw a million times could make me feel
Speaker 1: like emotional as I get older, Like I might look
Speaker 1: at like I watched last night. I watched, uh, what's
Speaker 1: the movie with Will Smith when he was trying to
Speaker 1: get the job in San Francisco Peak.
Speaker 2: And he got the job. Almost cried.
Speaker 3: I cried that So we have.
Speaker 1: The same feelings, right, because it emotionally moved me. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, so happy.
Speaker 2: Like it's a rap story.
Speaker 1: But again it's like, so we have the same things,
Speaker 1: but you ask us to use the testosterone driven emotions.
Speaker 1: You ask that, but then sometimes you'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: when you with me, you should let the estrogen no,
Speaker 1: because then you ad judge later, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you you know, he has these feelings and he
Speaker 1: should be treated as us, just like I know. A
Speaker 1: woman could take care of herself. I'm not stupid. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing something that no woman couldn't.
Speaker 2: Do for herself.
Speaker 1: True, women take care of themself just fine. Women could
Speaker 1: change a tire, change the engine, bench press waits.
Speaker 2: My mom had hands. Some woman could fight, you know,
Speaker 2: women are construction workers. Women do the same thing men.
Speaker 2: But you want to be put into a space where
Speaker 2: you can lean on your estrogen. You want that space,
Speaker 2: That's true? Right? Actually, great, no ceilings gl Pete was
Speaker 2: heading just here for the convo, Red Red, what's haddening? Hey,
Speaker 2: what's wrong? Pete? You I know, but I text you
Speaker 2: a couple of times everything. Okay, I was taking a nap. Okay,
Speaker 2: how's that? As you get older, naps are they important?
Speaker 2: They can be. So I'm down forty five pounds, Pete.
Speaker 1: Once I get to fifty pounds down, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start bringing in my weight training. What I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about is more like flyweights, like more calistatics like
Speaker 1: push ups, pull ups, all of that stuff, not so
Speaker 1: much weight. I don't really want to get a bunch
Speaker 1: of muscles like I don't because I don't want to
Speaker 1: be My goal was to not be heavy if I
Speaker 1: make it to sure, So I want to be as
Speaker 1: lean as possible right now. It ain't about the muscles,
Speaker 1: it ain't about the look. It's just about the health part.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but that was my point. So back to the
Speaker 1: I digress. But that becomes the problem. So like sometimes
Speaker 1: when you would complain, I would say, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: are letting way too much ego rule. This part like
Speaker 1: to be in a righteous situation because you have to
Speaker 1: kind of remove that, like Yeah, he gonna be frustrated,
Speaker 1: because this is how it is being a man when
Speaker 1: you always like as a man, Like I'm only viewed
Speaker 1: as a real man if I take care of somebody completely.
Speaker 1: I'm not even viewed as a real man if I
Speaker 1: pay half, like I'm viewed as a male because I
Speaker 1: have a penis right, that's my initial thing. But I'm
Speaker 1: not viewed as a man if I pay half. If
Speaker 1: I go half with a woman, I'm not viewed as
Speaker 1: a man who by society and even by your old lady,
Speaker 1: she not don't respect you the same way. She's not
Speaker 1: gonna treat you like you're leading anything.
Speaker 3: You think. Do you think that? I mean, what do
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 1: Your son is a man right now? Do you think
Speaker 1: he's a man he could make his own decisions? No,
Speaker 1: because he don't take care of himself.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: And that Nigga is a man. He probably bigger than you.
Speaker 1: And everything is who your ass and all kind of shit,
Speaker 1: change your tie and everything.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of men that go have with their girls,
Speaker 4: I'm sure with step So would you say that that's
Speaker 4: britt Would you say that's a man?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I don't think that. I don't think that that would
Speaker 6: be less of a man. I don't think so. I've
Speaker 6: never been in that situation, but I don't think I
Speaker 6: would have been like, oh shit, you're not You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You respect, You would respect your man the same as yeah,
Speaker 4: you're a lie.
Speaker 6: I'm so so what so I would take that away
Speaker 6: because of something.
Speaker 1: Imagine your men couldn't stand up for you if you're
Speaker 1: in the street, somebody start.
Speaker 2: That's different.
Speaker 3: That's different different. You can't How is that different.
Speaker 1: Protect and provide or how men are defined socially? Is
Speaker 1: that fair to say protecting provided?
Speaker 2: I would say so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you can't. We already had this discussion before.
Speaker 6: I told you about how the dude I've watched get
Speaker 6: carried away, and after that it was done though for me,
Speaker 6: I told you about that because like, what the hell?
Speaker 4: Which means as long as it can protect you, that
Speaker 4: that's basically number one protecting you and then yourself.
Speaker 2: You just don't got great hands.
Speaker 3: Damn, that's unfortunate. She ain't about to be with nobody.
Speaker 1: So again, like, I do know that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of men, some of my friends are in these same relationships,
Speaker 1: but I also know how women treat them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, It is kind of considered a slight
Speaker 1: in society to go half with your old lady, even
Speaker 1: though these California bills are insane stupid. So yes, but
Speaker 1: I do think more women than not are making it work.
Speaker 1: But again, the goal for women is to find somebody
Speaker 1: who could take care of them and protect them. That's
Speaker 1: their goal. That's the most successful women socially. Now again
Speaker 1: the reality is something is different. Reality is a lot
Speaker 1: of this shit is expensive, and it's not just gonna
Speaker 1: be most guys gonna be able to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: And me and Pete had a great conversation about this
Speaker 1: where he was like, man, really you should move.
Speaker 3: He's saying out of the state or wherever.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta move where we both agree you should
Speaker 1: move to a place where you could take care of
Speaker 1: your family as a man, right, because again it defines you.
Speaker 1: It's not worthy of being anywhere where you can't look
Speaker 1: up and say you're not putting a roof over your
Speaker 1: family head. But again my perspective is not dominant, because
Speaker 1: I understand if you ain't California even the thought of moving.
Speaker 1: But Pete told me the story of how his family
Speaker 1: moved out here because it was like that before that
Speaker 1: where they was at it was a little tougher out here.
Speaker 1: Was your grandfather was able to take care of his
Speaker 1: family because it was cheaper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was.
Speaker 5: It wasn't cost cheaper, but it was so much opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was more. It was more on the on
Speaker 2: the income side.
Speaker 5: I was for both sides of my family. I mean
Speaker 5: that's why everybody like, like like your grandparents who moved
Speaker 5: out here, it was the same thing. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: what it was cheaper in La than Alabama. But it's
Speaker 5: like everyone's getting paid out there. There's no economy. We
Speaker 5: are here now, so we move either either move to avoid.
Speaker 2: Costs or to pursue revenue. See, and that's like a
Speaker 2: brilliant model that none.
Speaker 1: Of nobody told us. Well, white people kind of are aware.
Speaker 1: And I don't get me wrong. I do think the
Speaker 1: generation above ours they were better humans. Like our generation
Speaker 1: is worse humans. Even the generation now they feel like
Speaker 1: they're but they're actually.
Speaker 2: Much worse humans, you know what I mean? They because
Speaker 2: they don't like I was talking to my nephew about.
Speaker 1: The Diddy ship and he didn't even can he starts
Speaker 1: saying just making it up, like, oh, you know he
Speaker 1: put a hit out on the pocket. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you not care that that's not true? Like you care
Speaker 1: that's not what they're not charged. Well, he slept with
Speaker 1: some minors. Do you not care that that's not true?
Speaker 1: They're not charging me with that?
Speaker 2: Like what part of a fact do you care about?
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 1: They only care about whatever is going on socially within
Speaker 1: the conversation that's social sphere is where they're convicting people
Speaker 1: at Like the fans came out and said the the
Speaker 1: fas talked about that, the surviving r Kelly.
Speaker 2: It made the fast start to investigate.
Speaker 4: Right, I did see something like that, and so this,
Speaker 4: the cassielawsuit is what made them.
Speaker 1: Yes, really the the dude that the attorney that's on
Speaker 1: social media heat and it's that's true because there you
Speaker 1: gotta remember DA's case.
Speaker 2: Looking for that type of exposure.
Speaker 3: Definitely, But it.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of a time where like when the community
Speaker 1: was kind of going through some stuff, we was coming
Speaker 1: out of the crack era or kind of in the
Speaker 1: very very last part of the Twilight of where it
Speaker 1: was peaking at and you know, people were doing anything
Speaker 1: to get cracks.
Speaker 2: So crime in Los Angeles was a little rampant.
Speaker 1: It was a lot going on, and instead of the
Speaker 1: community finding a solution, they turned to the white justice
Speaker 1: system to find a solution. So hence Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: certain people responded back with the Crime Bill right of
Speaker 1: ninety four. Right, the instituted three strikes. And immediately when
Speaker 1: you hear about how three strikes work, it's really a
Speaker 1: double jeopardy law. It's like if you if you went
Speaker 1: to jail for two felonies before, if you did this
Speaker 1: and then you steal something, we're gonna put you in
Speaker 1: prison for twenty five years to life. So at that time,
Speaker 1: people thought they were doing the right thing because they
Speaker 1: were so in their emotions.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine's us on clubhouse. I met him
Speaker 1: and I would call him a buddy. His name is Gary,
Speaker 1: but from Atlanta. He was saying that like he felt
Speaker 1: like the Black Church spearheaded that movement with Biden. And
Speaker 1: now and again, whenever you turn to forgive me Pete,
Speaker 1: because I don't mean every white person, but you know, right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the power structure in existence. When you
Speaker 1: turn to unjust people for justice, it's going to look
Speaker 1: bad on people that's poor, that look like us, that
Speaker 1: look like me.
Speaker 2: Right, So the same thing is happening now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like like again, like we're looking at r Kelly,
Speaker 1: were looking at Puff and it kind of fits into
Speaker 1: the same conversation even with Cassie, Like Cassie is like
Speaker 1: they talked about it like and this is really I know.
Speaker 2: That's the details.
Speaker 1: They tried to shake Puff down with the book, the
Speaker 1: threat of the book to get the thirty million. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: Puff felt it was a shakedown. I ain't gonna give
Speaker 1: you nothing. Puff actually was in a relationship with Cassie.
Speaker 1: Cassie stayed with Puff for years, not just out of fear.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a level of fear there. She stayed
Speaker 1: with Puff because Puff had money, right, He's powerful, he Puff.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be successful in the music business. When
Speaker 1: you look up her past, she's been trying to be
Speaker 1: in a music business and kind of ahead of her
Speaker 1: age for a long time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So she found somebody she thought could enhance her career,
Speaker 1: and maybe they fell in love. Maybe they didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not an a personal relationship, but
Speaker 1: they was together for years. You knew this nigga was
Speaker 1: weird within the first probably six.
Speaker 2: Months, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And not to call did he weird, but it's like
Speaker 1: you knew he was a deviant for sure, within the
Speaker 1: first six months, because I knew, didd he was a
Speaker 1: devent before you dated him. So maybe he played it
Speaker 1: all for a couple of months, but eventually the DV
Speaker 1: inside came out, you could walk.
Speaker 2: But then again, because she was looking for that level the.
Speaker 3: Eighteen, sure she was.
Speaker 2: But again that's the problem too.
Speaker 1: That's if you're gonna have a legal ramification of age
Speaker 1: and responsibility and accountability eighteen, then it has to be eighteen.
Speaker 1: It can't just be like, well, you know what, she
Speaker 1: is fucking with that and he had money and she
Speaker 1: was just young as stupid.
Speaker 2: No women gonna be like that till they fucking seventy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's like, man, it just puts us in a
Speaker 1: weird situation, like they're charging these two dudes with racketeering.
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein actually was using his business as a racket.
Speaker 4: And what does that mean when they say they're charging
Speaker 4: them for racketeering.
Speaker 1: So racketeering or Rego Act people talked about as a
Speaker 1: law created in nineteen seventy. I think it's nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: So when they couldn't catch before nineteen seventy, America had
Speaker 1: to catch you committing crimes. They had to charge you
Speaker 1: with the crime that you committed. The mafia bosses or
Speaker 1: the mob bosses who were organizing all of the crimes. Right,
Speaker 1: the mafia bosses, the mob bosses who organized the crime,
Speaker 1: they weren't actually out committing crimes. They couldn't prove that
Speaker 1: they did a crime, but they knew it. They had
Speaker 1: the power to organize and make a crime happen. So
Speaker 1: they created a law which kind of conspiracy and all
Speaker 1: these different things they all rooted in all of this
Speaker 1: same idea. It's like thought into laws, thought into crime,
Speaker 1: like the thought of crime. And that's how they started
Speaker 1: taking down mafia's and mob bosses. And America probably should
Speaker 1: have actually, America probably in nineteen seventy should.
Speaker 2: Have stood up.
Speaker 1: The people should have stood up against that law because
Speaker 1: that began the problem, right, like where you don't have
Speaker 1: to catch nobody doing the crime. Now if I make
Speaker 1: you do a crime, that's the crime. No, it's there's
Speaker 1: accountability for adults. I can tell you to do whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck I tell you to do. I could pay
Speaker 1: you to do whatever I pay you to do. If
Speaker 1: your ass do it, it's your fucking fault. But again
Speaker 1: to you know, you avoiding accountability. And they did that
Speaker 1: to take down the mafia and the mob bosses. And
Speaker 1: you have to respect because, I mean.
Speaker 3: They be in those situations where they can't say no.
Speaker 2: You can always say no. You don't actually have to
Speaker 2: be a protect.
Speaker 4: I mean you can bet if you're gonna get killed
Speaker 4: or you know what I'm saying, your family's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking and I'm talking about with the mob
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, of course, nobody gonna hurt your family because
Speaker 2: you can do what I said.
Speaker 6: Who says who in the mom What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's that it's only a power Okay, that's
Speaker 4: that's not.
Speaker 2: Said, is not that's not how.
Speaker 4: You There's intimidation, there's you know.
Speaker 1: But you can't be like being a coward should be
Speaker 1: against the law. If somebody threatens your family, go to
Speaker 1: the police because if you in the underworld. Are somebody
Speaker 1: threatening your family, you know what you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: if you in the underworld, you know, like if you don't,
Speaker 1: if the law is not the ultimate sense of justice
Speaker 1: and you have you know, your own sense of justice,
Speaker 1: like the in the street underworld. If somebody threk in
Speaker 1: your family, you're supposed to kill that person on the spot.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. If it's the greatest mid
Speaker 1: boss in the world, cut his fucking head off. But
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this weird law of making it okay
Speaker 1: for people to be a bitch is crazy, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could be a mark.
Speaker 2: Somebody could mark you out and they call that coercion. No,
Speaker 2: you was a mark. I was just talking about it
Speaker 2: on Twitter with Gen Deal.
Speaker 1: Gen Deal is running around like he's a hero because
Speaker 1: he been talking about what Puff did.
Speaker 2: Now Puff got arrested.
Speaker 1: Nigga, he was paying you, doing it in front of you,
Speaker 1: and you didn't do nothing to him. Now, and the
Speaker 1: reason you didn't do nothing to Couzin is because you
Speaker 1: was getting paid. The reason you doing these interviews talking
Speaker 1: about cuz it's because you getting paid. Who is this
Speaker 1: This is one of the main people that was working
Speaker 1: for him. That was they call it an early whistleblower.
Speaker 1: Puff was doing something bad. But it's like I couldn't
Speaker 1: be next to Birdman he was doing some buster ass shit.
Speaker 1: If Birdman was next to me and he was you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Look, if Birdman was beating up
Speaker 1: his old lady, I have stopped him.
Speaker 2: Like if that's me and that's.
Speaker 1: Birdman with his with Tony Braxton in that fucking elevator
Speaker 1: video and Birdman, but I'm finna push stud hey, Stuna,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 2: Come hold up? Bro? No, bro we finna get down now.
Speaker 2: If I broke it up the first.
Speaker 1: Time and then you still with this dude, I'm not
Speaker 1: either gonna be around for sure, I'm gonna stop hanging
Speaker 1: with y'all.
Speaker 2: If I don't leave from being around you, I ain't
Speaker 2: finna watch you whip your old lady multiple times.
Speaker 1: So even if like a gen deal saw that situation
Speaker 1: happening with them and you broke it up and then.
Speaker 4: They kept doing it, now, I'm not finna be around y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't be around nobody committing no crime. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go to jail four, that's right. I don't
Speaker 1: hang around nobody. Me and my big Homy got into
Speaker 1: argument because he wanted to kill some taxi cab driver
Speaker 1: for call him a nigger. And I'm like, nigga, everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to prison for that. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: be like what you in jail for. Oh Man, the
Speaker 1: Hommy knocked this nigga down. My Gammi Homy knocked this
Speaker 1: taxi cab driver down because he called him the N word.
Speaker 1: And I'm not finna go to prison for that. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the rest of my life for that
Speaker 1: dumb ass shit. No fuck that No, And that was
Speaker 1: me as a kid. I'm not you can't. I don't
Speaker 1: know fuck how tough you is. If something I don't
Speaker 1: want to do, you ain't gonna make me do it.
Speaker 1: Let alone take dick like some of the people in
Speaker 1: that case, You're not gonna kill you, nigga.
Speaker 3: Some people just don't have that.
Speaker 2: It's not that some people don't see it.
Speaker 1: No, some people just care about money. Yeah, and money
Speaker 1: means everything.
Speaker 2: That's why puff this is happening.
Speaker 1: The reason you go buy them prostitutes is because prostitutes
Speaker 1: are for sale.
Speaker 2: The reason you go buy people is because people are
Speaker 2: for sale.
Speaker 1: The reason Gene Deal didn't actually do nothing to puff
Speaker 1: or stop Puff when he was doing this, or you.
Speaker 2: Know, as an ex probation officer go to.
Speaker 1: The police is because he was bought and paid for it.
Speaker 1: And I'm tired of people acting like the problem is
Speaker 1: the people paying.
Speaker 2: The problem.
Speaker 1: Ain't the people paying the problem. Ain't people want to
Speaker 1: have sex with a prostitute. The problem is the fucking
Speaker 1: prostitute selling pussy for money. If there is a problem,
Speaker 1: if there is a problem, like we could get to
Speaker 1: the real problems.
Speaker 3: Mm, yeah, that's naster. But then that said, I just
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been around.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, there would be no pimps if there
Speaker 4: was no prostitute.
Speaker 2: Man. I mean, look at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: If they ain't no proud that's true. But then, well,
Speaker 3: there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of used bucks needs selling. You said, what, So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of used buicks needs selling.
Speaker 1: A lot of used buicks that need to be sold.
Speaker 3: What's the coercion charge?
Speaker 4: Like, Well, from my understanding is that he had these parties. Yes,
Speaker 4: people are coming to the parties, but they're not knowing
Speaker 4: that the bottles are laced. They're drinking alcohol, but it
Speaker 4: is laced and that there's cameras, Like.
Speaker 2: They can't charge you for that.
Speaker 1: You know why because people can have as many fucking
Speaker 1: cameras in their house as they want.
Speaker 3: And you know what.
Speaker 4: I have a friend who just went through a situation where, yeah,
Speaker 4: they told her that this man can have his cameras
Speaker 4: in his own house. Yeah the law, but the recording though,
Speaker 4: that's not against the law without their consent.
Speaker 2: If you come in mind, what is the Okay, No,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: Fuck We'll just explain that part to her.
Speaker 2: Okay, So did these three charges? There's only three?
Speaker 1: Right, There's racketeering, there's sex trafficking, there's traumputation for prostitutions.
Speaker 3: Yep, Okay.
Speaker 2: Now they're saying.
Speaker 1: Those three indictments are built by these different crimes, right.
Speaker 1: Coersion is how it is detailed in the indictment. Is like, well,
Speaker 1: he would threaten to take people's finances away if they
Speaker 1: didn't do what he said, Like he would fire people
Speaker 1: if they didn't do what he said do. Okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's how job works. They're saying the racketeering charges. What
Speaker 1: they're saying is all alone the time over the last
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight, which they he really wasn't investigating,
Speaker 1: but based off of what they've been able to figure
Speaker 1: out what the witnesses since two thousand and eight different
Speaker 1: crimes Puff has done home enterprises becomes like a criminal
Speaker 1: underwel because they're blocking things. Prime example, when they got
Speaker 1: into the little squabble in the hotel because when the
Speaker 1: somebody saw it, the the maid saw it and you know,
Speaker 1: you know saw it. Instead of letting her call the
Speaker 1: police or maybe she doesn't, Puff says, look, don't call
Speaker 1: the police. I need to deal with this ourselves. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pay you. Can you get the video? I'll pay
Speaker 1: for that too, They saying. They combining that with that,
Speaker 1: and they're saying, okay, because his team helped facilitate that
Speaker 1: to some degree. I don't quite know what this team.
Speaker 1: Then maybe they called after to get the video or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then the next thing is like, okay, well he
Speaker 1: blew up kid cutting cars. So they're talking about Arson, like, oh,
Speaker 1: so they're making all of these crimes together to charge
Speaker 1: him like a crime boss, got it. That's when in reality,
Speaker 1: that's not While the letter can fit, that's not the
Speaker 1: spirit of it.
Speaker 2: You just talking about a really.
Speaker 1: Nasty older man who has money and power, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, in a really turbulent relationship with women. Again,
Speaker 1: his enterprise would be built off buying women. More like,
Speaker 1: he don't have rate charges and he didn't force nobody
Speaker 1: to do nothing, even like even if they're charging him
Speaker 1: per se with Let's say.
Speaker 2: Oh, people talk about the alcohol was lace.
Speaker 1: These are common things people knew going to Diddy parties,
Speaker 1: Like you kind of knew that they party a little harder,
Speaker 1: Like I knew that walking up, like they party harder.
Speaker 1: So if I don't party as hard as them, I
Speaker 1: probably don't need to be partying with them. So again,
Speaker 1: but now in hindsight, and you know, it's like, oh
Speaker 1: that's you know, that ain't right. But people knew that.
Speaker 1: People who went to Diddy's parties knew how did he party?
Speaker 2: Did he is on? You know, he take drugs, he drinks.
Speaker 4: But I don't think I don't think all the say
Speaker 4: the young girls, because you know, you'll have somebody like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're going to a party at Diddy's and then all
Speaker 4: the you know.
Speaker 3: What that was, Well, the person that brought the part exactly,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 4: The person that because there's a lot of girls fresh
Speaker 4: out of heights, very naive I'm going to Diddy's.
Speaker 3: House to party.
Speaker 4: They go to other people's house to party, so they're like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to Diddy's house to party. Yes, we're going
Speaker 4: to party. But then they end up the bottles are laced.
Speaker 4: But the person who brought him, they know what's cracking,
Speaker 4: or they should have known.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I have a young daughter and she you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. She's just like, I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 1: But we all, we've all since we were probably in
Speaker 1: our he's been hearing about how Diddy parties.
Speaker 2: None of us have not heard how Diddy party.
Speaker 3: But we're older, but we're since.
Speaker 2: In our twenties, we've been here about how Diddy party. Right,
Speaker 2: all of us and.
Speaker 1: Everybody's aspiration was to go to a Diddy party, knowing
Speaker 1: it was crazy, because you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's gonna be banana, it's gonna be a gang people.
Speaker 3: It was gonna be the party though. But I didn't
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 4: I I didn't think that I was gonna go to
Speaker 4: the party and get lace drinking some alcohol.
Speaker 6: That no, well, see, the only reason why I knew
Speaker 6: about that. Told you was because I actually seen that,
Speaker 6: not at Diddy's house, but at another Hollywood Hills home
Speaker 6: where I actually seen them join it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, this is you told me yep.
Speaker 6: And after that that's when I knew, like, Okay, this
Speaker 6: is what's really going on.
Speaker 3: But had I not I think that happens.
Speaker 1: Why would you go to Diddy's party and drink alcohol?
Speaker 1: Why are you knowing your inhibition?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: And see, this is where the questions get really hard.
Speaker 1: They stopped being like lack of accountability. They stopped being like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, why the fuck would you go to a
Speaker 1: strange house and drink alcohol?
Speaker 4: Because when you go to a party, you're going to
Speaker 4: a party, not every this. Okay, this is Diddy, so
Speaker 4: I do know this person, but there's several parties that
Speaker 4: we've been to that we don't We don't know whose house.
Speaker 2: It is we're going to somebody.
Speaker 3: I mean, not now. But we're talking about younger, younger ages.
Speaker 1: Okay, you remember dating when you was younger? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know why men brought you liquor?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I wasn't drinking it with them, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But you're going to a party, you're twenty one.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, why would you take awareness? And these
Speaker 2: are real you're.
Speaker 4: Going if they're if they have the liquor gy at
Speaker 4: the bar and they're making drinks and this drink is late.
Speaker 1: Even in a place where other people are You don't
Speaker 1: really want me to ask the questions that I really
Speaker 1: want to ask. You know why I don't drink red
Speaker 1: because I don't never want to not know what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on. And you know why you drink
Speaker 1: because you don't want to know what's going on. You
Speaker 1: want to enhance whatever it is you want to feel.
Speaker 1: And I'm not Look, I'm not trying to come down
Speaker 1: on the world that drinks or smoke weed or do
Speaker 1: cocaine or or pop eggs. That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying y'all have to start being honest with what
Speaker 1: the goal is in the first place, of why you're
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and then you can say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is too far. I didn't want this particular thing
Speaker 1: to happen. But this can only happen because you are
Speaker 1: not in your mind, like why why are you I
Speaker 1: never drank nothing that nobody party because I always wanted
Speaker 1: to be in.
Speaker 4: Control and that's great, and those you know, everybody isn't mindful.
Speaker 1: So then again that's the accountability part that goes back
Speaker 1: into the hole.
Speaker 4: I get it, but where's the accountability for the person
Speaker 4: that you know, what I'm saying is why are you
Speaker 4: spiking Liquorsay? Everybody knows you want and even if he
Speaker 4: wasn't want everybody so they can say the house.
Speaker 1: Yes, because again you know how people feel about sex
Speaker 1: and feel like, oh man, they feel special about themself. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying by no means again for the fourth,
Speaker 1: for fifth, six seven podcasts, I am not saying that
Speaker 1: I think Diddy is not He don't he don't have
Speaker 1: things he should be charged with. But again there's a
Speaker 1: lot of missing accountability that creates a mafia like figure
Speaker 1: that don't make no sense. Like we have to go
Speaker 1: to we have to get to a place in society
Speaker 1: where people actually start to have accountabit. Why is him
Speaker 1: and R Kelly the only rego charge were they're the
Speaker 1: only two people charged. Every other rego charge they charge
Speaker 1: a thousand other people. Why is only them charge? Why
Speaker 1: is this the first reason? Why is R?
Speaker 2: Kelly.
Speaker 1: Why Wystein get charged with racketeon Weinstein was using his
Speaker 1: business to actually rate women.
Speaker 2: He got charged with rape multiple times.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a no.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck did not a cousin get charged Epstein
Speaker 1: he actually was actually running that type of business.
Speaker 2: Puff is just nasty. He's a nasty old bastard.
Speaker 1: They got a bad drug problem and he's on alcohol
Speaker 1: really bad. So he's making bad decisions. That's not John
Speaker 1: Gotti's thing. That's not what John got John gotty sober
Speaker 1: is the motherfucker making these decisions and he getting people killed.
Speaker 1: Puff is just nasty and it's his way of to me.
Speaker 1: This is kind of like I hear the term because
Speaker 1: Puff considers himself a man of God, right, and.
Speaker 2: I think in his heart he.
Speaker 1: Feels that, but his mind is kind of a little different,
Speaker 1: Like it's more stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Like people say, even in an indictment, they talk about.
Speaker 1: How to fact certain some of the pills you know,
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know he used drugs to control people.
Speaker 2: He didn't stuff no drugs down people's mouth.
Speaker 1: Like we got to eventually get back to a space
Speaker 1: of accountability. That's the beginning of this conversation that we
Speaker 1: even talking about where women want to date their ego
Speaker 1: and a man, So then you got you know again,
Speaker 1: you you you don't have space for the man. If
Speaker 1: you got your ego, if you need to be a
Speaker 1: proud human, a proud uh provider, and what you need
Speaker 1: a man for, maybe you know, you could be like
Speaker 1: Diddy and.
Speaker 2: Just buy one, just.
Speaker 1: Buy one, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's just frustrating. It's frustrating, you know. And then
Speaker 1: the world is happening in front of the world and
Speaker 1: on all levels, even from the beginning of this conversation,
Speaker 1: where women are being taught to be like, oh, you
Speaker 1: know from the independent songs like why would you have
Speaker 1: to brag you take care of yourself?
Speaker 2: I E and D E.
Speaker 1: Why is that a good song? Like, there's no songs
Speaker 1: like that for men? I pay my own bills. Well,
Speaker 1: what is our song like that, I take care of myself.
Speaker 1: That's I pay my own rent, I got my own car.
Speaker 1: That's not a cool man a song.
Speaker 4: Because it's it was always aspected for you guys to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: It was women weren't supposed to work.
Speaker 4: Well, women didn't work, and you know they weren't taking
Speaker 4: care of themselves, so now.
Speaker 2: You have to brag for being in a That's what happened.
Speaker 4: They shouting it out from the ceiling.
Speaker 2: To know what I'm saying, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 5: I take it it's equivalent to celebrating a birthday?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everybody has this is what?
Speaker 5: Yeah I'm not almost looking at me. Hey I didn't
Speaker 5: die in the last year, look at me.
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't always have that, So when when did
Speaker 4: women not have jobs?
Speaker 3: Should? All the women in my family always had jobs.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm just you know, going back, I guess.
Speaker 2: That's the job to that.
Speaker 1: Equal pain and ship like, oh, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: making all of them now we're making as much money. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: But you're bragging about the ability to take care of
Speaker 1: yourself as an adult.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Even a term single moms, Like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that really means.
Speaker 3: What do you mean single mom?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that you was fucking? That's how
Speaker 2: you had a kid?
Speaker 3: She's a single mom. Single she's single.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, she fucking she had a kid, but she's
Speaker 6: a single daddy.
Speaker 3: Not there title.
Speaker 1: All that shows is that you was fucking and you're
Speaker 1: not with the nigga you was fusing. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: nothing to brag about the.
Speaker 2: Term single mom.
Speaker 5: When you use the term failed wife.
Speaker 3: Vibe what.
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just we we we started maneuvering
Speaker 1: society to a really weird space. I mean like it's
Speaker 1: just really like I said, were men. You know, you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to brag that you that's a flex when
Speaker 1: you bragging that you know you take care of a woman.
Speaker 2: It's not a flex to say you take care of yourself.
Speaker 3: Wait, it's a flex when you're saying you take care
Speaker 3: of a woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you take care of your family. And that didn't
Speaker 1: used to be a flex, But that's a flex now.
Speaker 1: If you pay all the bills, that's a flex.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, y'all. I take care. I take care
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 1: If a woman took care of a man, she is
Speaker 1: considered a failure in society.
Speaker 2: You'd be liked.
Speaker 1: Imagine you have to take care of that dude, like
Speaker 1: you have to take care of him everything he do,
Speaker 1: every dumb ass mistake he make. That's how I feel
Speaker 1: every time you do some dumb shit. He wrecked his car,
Speaker 1: you gotta fix it keep they cy on.
Speaker 2: When you go in and work, you gotta pay the bill.
Speaker 2: That's how it is being a man.
Speaker 1: A woman is expecting you to take care of her,
Speaker 1: no matter what silly mistakes she make.
Speaker 3: That's fright. Yeah, So sorry for y'all the.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the society we live in. I
Speaker 1: just don't want people to forget.
Speaker 6: Well, if they didn't know, they know now it's you know,
Speaker 6: you're taking care of.
Speaker 4: Physical things, you know, stuff like that, but we're taking
Speaker 4: care of the house.
Speaker 2: Look, I think a whole household.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I think I don't think a
Speaker 1: woman don't pull her own way, even if a man
Speaker 1: is paying all the bills.
Speaker 2: It's not about that.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have a true appreciation for that,
Speaker 1: then you forget the gratitude portion of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think taking care of a house
Speaker 2: is a ton of work.
Speaker 1: I think washing and and making sure the kids and
Speaker 1: all that is a ton of work.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a lack of respect for that work.
Speaker 1: But obviously you know the the work that's tough because
Speaker 1: you don't you know the work.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do.
Speaker 1: I bet you you could find a man who would actually,
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't mind ironing your clothes for you
Speaker 1: to get up and go make all the money, and
Speaker 1: he just get to sit at home and go get
Speaker 1: his hair cut to look nice for you when he
Speaker 1: come home and cook dinner. Still a different job. You
Speaker 1: still wouldn't even if you you know, if Couz lost
Speaker 1: his job and you and he making all the food,
Speaker 1: it might be cool for the first few months, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're like, damn, you know this ain't Then
Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna look and you know, he left his
Speaker 1: moon roof open, and now you gotta pay for his
Speaker 1: interior and electronics get fixed. That shit gonna start to
Speaker 1: come out. You're gonna be like, hold up.
Speaker 3: Bro, have you ever watched I mean, did you ever
Speaker 3: see mister mom?
Speaker 2: I was just a second. Wasn't there a movie called
Speaker 2: Decades Ago?
Speaker 3: As basically she wasn't feeling it after a while, was
Speaker 3: like it was reverse.
Speaker 6: The man had to stay home the woman, and he
Speaker 6: got laid he got furloughed, and the woman ended up
Speaker 6: getting a job in advertising, so she started going to
Speaker 6: work every day.
Speaker 3: She was a stay at home. I don't care.
Speaker 6: So he he was like fucking up shit, like fucked
Speaker 6: up the washing machine, all kinds of stuff. It was
Speaker 6: funny though, like he messed up like how to take
Speaker 6: them to school, like he was all lost and stuff.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: No looten any So so I do think there is
Speaker 1: a lesson that men need to know for women who
Speaker 1: actually take care of the house, Like there definitely needs
Speaker 1: to be a real gratitude because I ain't no pump
Speaker 1: cooking and cleaning and shit and caring for children on
Speaker 1: the consistent.
Speaker 2: But that's tough.
Speaker 1: But it got to be an appreciation. And that's the point.
Speaker 1: It needs to be gratitude. It's not enough gratitude, you know,
Speaker 1: Like imagine you making some food, nigga telling you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could cook my own food.
Speaker 2: That shit would make you feel like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, especially made.
Speaker 2: This food or you supposed to.
Speaker 1: Cook the food, right, oh yeah no, And that becomes
Speaker 1: your attitude.
Speaker 2: Who So you gotta define it in yourself. That's the trick.
Speaker 2: You have to define it in yourself.
Speaker 3: Take the ego out.
Speaker 1: Women definitely don't need pride or ego in a in
Speaker 1: a in a and while they're dating a man. You
Speaker 1: need pride of ego if you're taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely need it when you're taking care
Speaker 1: of yourself, but you don't need it if you have
Speaker 1: a man taking care of you that that ain't gonna.
Speaker 2: Work for you. But both people do need gratitude.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, Like that's I think there's men
Speaker 1: who don't really have the right gratuitous attitude towards the
Speaker 1: old lady for you know, carrying that, you know, turning
Speaker 1: the house into a home. That's just to maintaining a
Speaker 1: home and some shit maintaining a home and some ship.
Speaker 2: It's not no pump m h.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree,