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Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your

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Speaker 1: load glasses Malone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, baby, what you need?

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Speaker 3: What you need, daddy, Like okay, you know, and it's been.

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Speaker 4: We've been like we've been like good, like of course, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna get into a little like a but it's

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Speaker 4: it's nothing like nothing. And I do find myself like listening, listen, listening, like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You just gave us that's the truth, right, And the

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Speaker 1: truth is this is why you have to communicate, right,

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Speaker 1: But you have to communicate effectively, right, because.

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Speaker 2: You can't have two men. Ego is a man.

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Speaker 1: That's why men have egos. Is that fair to say, Pete?

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Speaker 1: Men have egos?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean everybody has something, but I mean in

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Speaker 5: the relationship dynamic, I mean it's the issue is it's

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Speaker 5: like to me, women want to be led, but they

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Speaker 5: don't want to not they don't want to acknowledge that

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Speaker 5: there is a leader in the room and they're not it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that's necessarily always true. Now, there are

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Speaker 6: women that do need or think they need to lead.

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Speaker 6: I was one of them. I am not no, I

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Speaker 6: am no longer one of them. But I do know

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Speaker 6: a lot of women that I absolutely don't want to

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Speaker 6: lead shit. They absolutely are okay with the man leading

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Speaker 6: and doing and providing and doing everything.

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Speaker 3: They are okay.

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Speaker 1: That's not I'm sure they okay with somebody taking care

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: There's not a it's just taking okay with.

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Speaker 1: The man taking care of her, not be okay minding

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Speaker 1: somebody right now. And because because of the connotation of

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Speaker 1: minding right like listening to somebody give you directions.

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Speaker 6: I'm good with that now. I just be like, hey,

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Speaker 6: don't go here, okay. But I think that also comes

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Speaker 6: with the trust in the relationship and who you're with.

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Speaker 6: And that's that's where I fucked up. I was dealing

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Speaker 6: with motherfuckers that I really didn't trust like that. And

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Speaker 6: that's that's the honest to god truth. Because if I

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Speaker 6: really trusted my man, I'm going to let him leave

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Speaker 6: me and he's going to tell when he tells me something,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna be like, okay, babe, you're right, okay or whatever.

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Speaker 6: But before I was dealing motherfuckers, and I'm like, nigga,

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Speaker 6: you could do that, then why would I listen to you?

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Speaker 1: Would why would you sleep with anybody, you wouldn't listen

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Speaker 3: I know that that makes it, that sounds it makes

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you know when you say that. But these

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Speaker 4: are these are things that we were learning as we're growing.

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Speaker 1: It's like a man sleeping with somebody he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: you get pregnant.

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Speaker 3: No, don't get it right. I stand in my ship.

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Speaker 3: I know what time it was.

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Speaker 6: I knew, and it took me a while to understand

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Speaker 6: that because I'm dealing with you and my question like

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Speaker 6: the guy I told you can't get right, and you're like,

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Speaker 6: why the hell you call them? Why are you dealing

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Speaker 6: with Mike King? As I got older, yeah, I laugh

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Speaker 6: at it now, like why was I.

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Speaker 3: Dealing with this person?

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Speaker 6: Like what the hell was wrong with you? You saw

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Speaker 6: all the red flags? You something the game? The man

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Speaker 6: can't get right the niggas name is, can't get right

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Speaker 6: in your phone, like can't get literally not think like so.

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Speaker 3: And and that's that's where we have to learn to say,

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Speaker 3: you know what we can be by o women.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to you know, some women come from

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Speaker 1: a background where again they lead a poly relationship. They're

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Speaker 1: dating their ego and their men, and some women are

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Speaker 1: dating their ego, their man and their kids.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, I think that with with me, I

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Speaker 4: was I'm just so used to leading, like making decisions

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Speaker 4: and just kind of doing my own thing. At the

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Speaker 4: same time, It's like then I'm wondering, like, okay, well

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Speaker 4: what are you you know, what are you bringing to

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Speaker 4: the table, Like we can't talk on the same level

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Speaker 4: or we're not interested in the same things. But once

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Speaker 4: I realized, like, okay, you know, you got to take

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Speaker 4: this ego out of the relationship because you're you're not

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Speaker 4: a man, like you can't do or be anything close

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Speaker 4: to you know, what a man can be. And I

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Speaker 4: didn't want to be a woman, so.

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Speaker 2: Well, I disagree, you can you.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you and Briad have did the same things

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Speaker 1: that a man have done.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying with the feeling as far as the

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Speaker 4: feeling that I want from somebody else, a man, a

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Speaker 4: woman can't give that to me, so unless I want

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Speaker 4: it to be by myself, I'm like, Okay, I gotta

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Speaker 4: but what is.

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Speaker 1: The feeling specifically? Is it to be cared for or

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Speaker 1: is it just the fact that he has a penis?

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Speaker 1: Biologically is different, you know what I'm saying, Like he

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Speaker 1: can the puzzle is different, and that's what these are. No,

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Speaker 1: but these is real questions, you know. I mean that

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Speaker 1: people need to ask.

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Speaker 3: I want to feel protected, like wow, So.

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Speaker 2: Then you know, and that's important right here to feel protected.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, like like your child, right, so like like

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Speaker 1: let's say Roland, right, like you have to Hey, he

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Speaker 1: can't like imagine you trying to protect him and he's

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Speaker 1: doing the things that you know could cause him danger.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's how it is being a man dealing with a woman.

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Speaker 1: So that's why sometimes men tone, especially when you're being

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Speaker 1: to a child, because that's what it starts to feel like.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure for some women that's what it starts

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Speaker 1: to feel like.

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Speaker 2: When a man starts to do the wrong thing, he.

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Speaker 4: Starts acting like your kid, definitely, yeah, And that's where.

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Speaker 3: That's when it goes like that's just like wait.

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Speaker 2: What Yes, and kids are kids.

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Speaker 1: The only reason they're kids is because they can't be

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Speaker 1: accountable for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The problem is like I'll argue with friends who have

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Speaker 1: their kids like kids, right, they'll do whatever the kid

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Speaker 1: want them to do. But these kids are fucking because

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Speaker 1: they're nineteen or twenty. And I tell Mohmi, like, that's

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Speaker 1: not no kid, Like, they only plan you to take

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Speaker 1: care of them for them to make their own decisions.

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Speaker 1: So you gotta find a space in the middle, or

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Speaker 1: you're taking care of an adult that you're fucking dating. Right,

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Speaker 1: think about it, right, if your son, if your job

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Speaker 1: is to protect your son, britt, If like if he's

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Speaker 1: trying to go to a a Hoover party and you

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Speaker 1: know this is a Hoover party, Well, all the gang

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Speaker 1: members are there, and you know that other people know

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Speaker 1: they might come shoot it up, and your job is

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Speaker 1: taking me.

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Speaker 2: Like, don't go to that party.

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Speaker 1: And he goes to that party, Guess what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: say to him when you figure out he was at

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Speaker 1: that party. You're Finnah, fly off the handle because you're

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Speaker 1: making my job hard of protection. Well, for women, they

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Speaker 1: should think of that the same way when they're talking

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Speaker 1: to a man, like if you want you don't want

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Speaker 1: to go somewhere Withcauz and you know somebody start to

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Speaker 1: put hands on you and he don't help you. But

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Speaker 1: if he tell you don't walk in his room with

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Speaker 1: all these fucking boxers and tripping ass drunk people and

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Speaker 1: your stupid.

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Speaker 2: Ass walking, you're gonna get both are ass kid.

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Speaker 1: So women cannot date their own ego and a man

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Speaker 1: at the same time, a man like a man is

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Speaker 1: going to come with an ego because that's what he

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Speaker 1: needs to propel himself to the position to take care

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Speaker 1: of his family. That's what he should be using it for.

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Speaker 1: He should be using it to define his reputation. He

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Speaker 1: should be using it to define his credit, should be

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Speaker 1: using it to build this economic you know, portfolio is base.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing. That's the only thing that's good for.

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Speaker 4: So the ego not with with us with women, but

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Speaker 4: with everybody else or the outside bro because you know,

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Speaker 4: I think men sometimes they don't want to be well,

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Speaker 4: they don't want to be vulnerable because they want to

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Speaker 4: carry this ego. But we need to, you know, we

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Speaker 4: want to fill and see and you know know that

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Speaker 4: we can be there for you at those those vulnerable times,

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Speaker 4: you know, aside from God. But you know you don't

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Speaker 4: have to carry an ego with us all the time

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, that they shouldn't be what you'd still do

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Speaker 1: because again you want somebody You're you're asking for women

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Speaker 2: They want a bunch of stuff that don't really go together.

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Speaker 1: Imagine your man like, well, I want to know you

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Speaker 1: could take care or yourself too, so I could take

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Speaker 1: care of you, So you should pay the mortgage every

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Speaker 1: other month. You wouldn't see it that way, right, So

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Speaker 1: that's how it feels like you're asking your man to

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Speaker 1: wanting to be hell of tough. But then he comes

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Speaker 1: crying to you because somebody you know at the ice

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that though, because you don't think.

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Speaker 2: It's that deep.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, we feel the same. We are the same, right,

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Speaker 1: Men and women are the same, right. We all feel

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Speaker 1: the same thing. We have extrogen, like y'all have testosterone,

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Speaker 1: So we feel certain certain things hurt our feelings that

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Speaker 1: probably are not worthy of you know, on the social

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Speaker 1: status of your feelings being hurt, but it's still hurts

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Speaker 1: your feelings. As I get older, certain scenes in movie

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Speaker 1: like emotional as I get older, Like I might look

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Speaker 1: at like I watched last night. I watched, uh, what's

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Speaker 2: And he got the job. Almost cried.

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Speaker 3: I cried that So we have.

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Speaker 1: The same feelings, right, because it emotionally moved me. I

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Speaker 1: was like, damn, so happy.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a rap story.

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Speaker 1: But again it's like, so we have the same things,

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Speaker 1: but you ask us to use the testosterone driven emotions.

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Speaker 1: You ask that, but then sometimes you'll be like, well,

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Speaker 1: when you with me, you should let the estrogen no,

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Speaker 1: because then you ad judge later, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like you you know, he has these feelings and he

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Speaker 1: should be treated as us, just like I know. A

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Speaker 1: woman could take care of herself. I'm not stupid. I'm

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Speaker 1: not doing something that no woman couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Do for herself.

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Speaker 1: True, women take care of themself just fine. Women could

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Speaker 1: change a tire, change the engine, bench press waits.

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Speaker 2: My mom had hands. Some woman could fight, you know,

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Speaker 2: women are construction workers. Women do the same thing men.

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Speaker 2: But you want to be put into a space where

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Speaker 2: you can lean on your estrogen. You want that space,

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Speaker 2: That's true? Right? Actually, great, no ceilings gl Pete was

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Speaker 2: heading just here for the convo, Red Red, what's haddening? Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's wrong? Pete? You I know, but I text you

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Speaker 2: a couple of times everything. Okay, I was taking a nap. Okay,

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Speaker 2: how's that? As you get older, naps are they important?

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Speaker 1: Of nobody told us. Well, white people kind of are aware.

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Speaker 1: like the thought of crime. And that's how they started

440
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: taking down mafia's and mob bosses. And America probably should

441
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: have actually, America probably in nineteen seventy should.

442
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Have stood up.

443
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: The people should have stood up against that law because

444
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: that began the problem, right, like where you don't have

445
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: to catch nobody doing the crime. Now if I make

446
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: you do a crime, that's the crime. No, it's there's

447
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: accountability for adults. I can tell you to do whatever

448
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: the fuck I tell you to do. I could pay

449
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: you to do whatever I pay you to do. If

450
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: your ass do it, it's your fucking fault. But again

451
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: to you know, you avoiding accountability. And they did that

452
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: to take down the mafia and the mob bosses. And

453
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: you have to respect because, I mean.

454
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: They be in those situations where they can't say no.

455
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: You can always say no. You don't actually have to

456
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: be a protect.

457
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean you can bet if you're gonna get killed

458
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: or you know what I'm saying, your family's gonna get hurt.

459
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: I'm not talking and I'm talking about with the mob

460
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: things like that.

461
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, of course, nobody gonna hurt your family because

462
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: you can do what I said.

463
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 6: Who says who in the mom What are you talking about?

464
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's that it's only a power Okay, that's

465
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: that's not.

466
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Said, is not that's not how.

467
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 4: You There's intimidation, there's you know.

468
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: But you can't be like being a coward should be

469
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: against the law. If somebody threatens your family, go to

470
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: the police because if you in the underworld. Are somebody

471
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: threatening your family, you know what you're supposed to do

472
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: if you in the underworld, you know, like if you don't,

473
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: if the law is not the ultimate sense of justice

474
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: and you have you know, your own sense of justice,

475
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: like the in the street underworld. If somebody threk in

476
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: your family, you're supposed to kill that person on the spot.

477
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. If it's the greatest mid

478
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: boss in the world, cut his fucking head off. But

479
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this weird law of making it okay

480
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: for people to be a bitch is crazy, Like, oh,

481
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: you could be a mark.

482
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: Somebody could mark you out and they call that coercion. No,

483
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: you was a mark. I was just talking about it

484
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter with Gen Deal.

485
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: Gen Deal is running around like he's a hero because

486
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: he been talking about what Puff did.

487
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: Now Puff got arrested.

488
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: Nigga, he was paying you, doing it in front of you,

489
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: and you didn't do nothing to him. Now, and the

490
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: reason you didn't do nothing to Couzin is because you

491
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: was getting paid. The reason you doing these interviews talking

492
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: about cuz it's because you getting paid. Who is this

493
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: This is one of the main people that was working

494
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: for him. That was they call it an early whistleblower.

495
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Puff was doing something bad. But it's like I couldn't

496
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: be next to Birdman he was doing some buster ass shit.

497
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: If Birdman was next to me and he was you

498
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Look, if Birdman was beating up

499
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: his old lady, I have stopped him.

500
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: Like if that's me and that's.

501
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: Birdman with his with Tony Braxton in that fucking elevator

502
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: video and Birdman, but I'm finna push stud hey, Stuna,

503
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: what's up?

504
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: Come hold up? Bro? No, bro we finna get down now.

505
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: If I broke it up the first.

506
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Time and then you still with this dude, I'm not

507
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: either gonna be around for sure, I'm gonna stop hanging

508
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: with y'all.

509
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: If I don't leave from being around you, I ain't

510
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: finna watch you whip your old lady multiple times.

511
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: So even if like a gen deal saw that situation

512
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: happening with them and you broke it up and then.

513
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: They kept doing it, now, I'm not finna be around y'all.

514
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't be around nobody committing no crime. I don't

515
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: want to go to jail four, that's right. I don't

516
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: hang around nobody. Me and my big Homy got into

517
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: argument because he wanted to kill some taxi cab driver

518
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: for call him a nigger. And I'm like, nigga, everybody,

519
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to prison for that. They're not gonna

520
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: be like what you in jail for. Oh Man, the

521
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: Hommy knocked this nigga down. My Gammi Homy knocked this

522
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: taxi cab driver down because he called him the N word.

523
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: And I'm not finna go to prison for that. And

524
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the rest of my life for that

525
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: dumb ass shit. No fuck that No, And that was

526
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: me as a kid. I'm not you can't. I don't

527
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: know fuck how tough you is. If something I don't

528
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: want to do, you ain't gonna make me do it.

529
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: Let alone take dick like some of the people in

530
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: that case, You're not gonna kill you, nigga.

531
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: Some people just don't have that.

532
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: It's not that some people don't see it.

533
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: No, some people just care about money. Yeah, and money

534
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: means everything.

535
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: That's why puff this is happening.

536
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: The reason you go buy them prostitutes is because prostitutes

537
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: are for sale.

538
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: The reason you go buy people is because people are

539
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: for sale.

540
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: The reason Gene Deal didn't actually do nothing to puff

541
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: or stop Puff when he was doing this, or you.

542
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Know, as an ex probation officer go to.

543
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: The police is because he was bought and paid for it.

544
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: And I'm tired of people acting like the problem is

545
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: the people paying.

546
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: The problem.

547
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: Ain't the people paying the problem. Ain't people want to

548
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: have sex with a prostitute. The problem is the fucking

549
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: prostitute selling pussy for money. If there is a problem,

550
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: if there is a problem, like we could get to

551
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the real problems.

552
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Mm, yeah, that's naster. But then that said, I just

553
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been around.

554
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, there would be no pimps if there

555
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: was no prostitute.

556
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: Man. I mean, look at the end of the day,

557
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean.

558
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: If they ain't no proud that's true. But then, well,

559
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: there's a lot.

560
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Of used bucks needs selling. You said, what, So there's

561
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: a lot of used buicks needs selling.

562
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: A lot of used buicks that need to be sold.

563
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: What's the coercion charge?

564
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: Like, Well, from my understanding is that he had these parties. Yes,

565
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: people are coming to the parties, but they're not knowing

566
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: that the bottles are laced. They're drinking alcohol, but it

567
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: is laced and that there's cameras, Like.

568
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: They can't charge you for that.

569
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: You know why because people can have as many fucking

570
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: cameras in their house as they want.

571
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: And you know what.

572
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: I have a friend who just went through a situation where, yeah,

573
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: they told her that this man can have his cameras

574
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: in his own house. Yeah the law, but the recording though,

575
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: that's not against the law without their consent.

576
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: If you come in mind, what is the Okay, No,

577
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: I can't.

578
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: Fuck We'll just explain that part to her.

579
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So did these three charges? There's only three?

580
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Right, There's racketeering, there's sex trafficking, there's traumputation for prostitutions.

581
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: Yep, Okay.

582
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: Now they're saying.

583
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Those three indictments are built by these different crimes, right.

584
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Coersion is how it is detailed in the indictment. Is like, well,

585
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: he would threaten to take people's finances away if they

586
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: didn't do what he said, Like he would fire people

587
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: if they didn't do what he said do. Okay, I'm like,

588
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: that's how job works. They're saying the racketeering charges. What

589
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: they're saying is all alone the time over the last

590
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight, which they he really wasn't investigating,

591
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: but based off of what they've been able to figure

592
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: out what the witnesses since two thousand and eight different

593
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: crimes Puff has done home enterprises becomes like a criminal

594
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: underwel because they're blocking things. Prime example, when they got

595
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: into the little squabble in the hotel because when the

596
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: somebody saw it, the the maid saw it and you know,

597
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: you know saw it. Instead of letting her call the

598
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: police or maybe she doesn't, Puff says, look, don't call

599
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the police. I need to deal with this ourselves. I'm

600
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: gonna pay you. Can you get the video? I'll pay

601
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: for that too, They saying. They combining that with that,

602
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: and they're saying, okay, because his team helped facilitate that

603
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: to some degree. I don't quite know what this team.

604
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Then maybe they called after to get the video or whatever.

605
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: And then the next thing is like, okay, well he

606
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: blew up kid cutting cars. So they're talking about Arson, like, oh,

607
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: so they're making all of these crimes together to charge

608
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: him like a crime boss, got it. That's when in reality,

609
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: that's not While the letter can fit, that's not the

610
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: spirit of it.

611
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: You just talking about a really.

612
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Nasty older man who has money and power, you know

613
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: what I mean, in a really turbulent relationship with women. Again,

614
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: his enterprise would be built off buying women. More like,

615
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: he don't have rate charges and he didn't force nobody

616
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: to do nothing, even like even if they're charging him

617
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: per se with Let's say.

618
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh, people talk about the alcohol was lace.

619
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: These are common things people knew going to Diddy parties,

620
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: Like you kind of knew that they party a little harder,

621
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Like I knew that walking up, like they party harder.

622
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: So if I don't party as hard as them, I

623
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: probably don't need to be partying with them. So again,

624
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: but now in hindsight, and you know, it's like, oh

625
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: that's you know, that ain't right. But people knew that.

626
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: People who went to Diddy's parties knew how did he party?

627
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Did he is on? You know, he take drugs, he drinks.

628
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: But I don't think I don't think all the say

629
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: the young girls, because you know, you'll have somebody like, oh,

630
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: we're going to a party at Diddy's and then all

631
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: the you know.

632
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: What that was, Well, the person that brought the part exactly,

633
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: that was.

634
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: The person that because there's a lot of girls fresh

635
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 4: out of heights, very naive I'm going to Diddy's.

636
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: House to party.

637
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: They go to other people's house to party, so they're like,

638
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to Diddy's house to party. Yes, we're going

639
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: to party. But then they end up the bottles are laced.

640
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: But the person who brought him, they know what's cracking,

641
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: or they should have known.

642
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: It's a lot of people.

643
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: I have a young daughter and she you know what

644
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying. She's just like, I'm not gonna go.

645
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: But we all, we've all since we were probably in

646
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: our he's been hearing about how Diddy parties.

647
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: None of us have not heard how Diddy party.

648
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: But we're older, but we're since.

649
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: In our twenties, we've been here about how Diddy party. Right,

650
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: all of us and.

651
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's aspiration was to go to a Diddy party, knowing

652
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: it was crazy, because you.

653
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: Know, it's gonna be banana, it's gonna be a gang people.

654
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: It was gonna be the party though. But I didn't

655
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: think that.

656
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: I I didn't think that I was gonna go to

657
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 4: the party and get lace drinking some alcohol.

658
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 6: That no, well, see, the only reason why I knew

659
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: about that. Told you was because I actually seen that,

660
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 6: not at Diddy's house, but at another Hollywood Hills home

661
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 6: where I actually seen them join it.

662
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, this is you told me yep.

663
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: And after that that's when I knew, like, Okay, this

664
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: is what's really going on.

665
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: But had I not I think that happens.

666
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Why would you go to Diddy's party and drink alcohol?

667
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Why are you knowing your inhibition?

668
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

669
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: Like?

670
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: And see, this is where the questions get really hard.

671
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: They stopped being like lack of accountability. They stopped being like, oh,

672
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, why the fuck would you go to a

673
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: strange house and drink alcohol?

674
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: Because when you go to a party, you're going to

675
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: a party, not every this. Okay, this is Diddy, so

676
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: I do know this person, but there's several parties that

677
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: we've been to that we don't We don't know whose house.

678
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: It is we're going to somebody.

679
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: I mean, not now. But we're talking about younger, younger ages.

680
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you remember dating when you was younger? Yeah, you

681
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: know why men brought you liquor?

682
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

683
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: And I wasn't drinking it with them, you know what

684
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But you're going to a party, you're twenty one.

685
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, why would you take awareness? And these

686
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: are real you're.

687
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 4: Going if they're if they have the liquor gy at

688
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: the bar and they're making drinks and this drink is late.

689
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: Even in a place where other people are You don't

690
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: really want me to ask the questions that I really

691
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: want to ask. You know why I don't drink red

692
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: because I don't never want to not know what the

693
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: fuck is going on. And you know why you drink

694
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: because you don't want to know what's going on. You

695
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: want to enhance whatever it is you want to feel.

696
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not Look, I'm not trying to come down

697
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: on the world that drinks or smoke weed or do

698
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: cocaine or or pop eggs. That's not what I'm saying.

699
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying y'all have to start being honest with what

700
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: the goal is in the first place, of why you're

701
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and then you can say, oh,

702
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: this is too far. I didn't want this particular thing

703
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: to happen. But this can only happen because you are

704
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: not in your mind, like why why are you I

705
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: never drank nothing that nobody party because I always wanted

706
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: to be in.

707
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: Control and that's great, and those you know, everybody isn't mindful.

708
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: So then again that's the accountability part that goes back

709
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: into the hole.

710
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: I get it, but where's the accountability for the person

711
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: that you know, what I'm saying is why are you

712
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: spiking Liquorsay? Everybody knows you want and even if he

713
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 4: wasn't want everybody so they can say the house.

714
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Yes, because again you know how people feel about sex

715
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and feel like, oh man, they feel special about themself. Look,

716
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying by no means again for the fourth,

717
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: for fifth, six seven podcasts, I am not saying that

718
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I think Diddy is not He don't he don't have

719
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: things he should be charged with. But again there's a

720
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: lot of missing accountability that creates a mafia like figure

721
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: that don't make no sense. Like we have to go

722
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: to we have to get to a place in society

723
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: where people actually start to have accountabit. Why is him

724
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: and R Kelly the only rego charge were they're the

725
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: only two people charged. Every other rego charge they charge

726
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: a thousand other people. Why is only them charge? Why

727
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: is this the first reason? Why is R?

728
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: Kelly.

729
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Why Wystein get charged with racketeon Weinstein was using his

730
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: business to actually rate women.

731
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: He got charged with rape multiple times.

732
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a no.

733
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Why the fuck did not a cousin get charged Epstein

734
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: he actually was actually running that type of business.

735
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Puff is just nasty. He's a nasty old bastard.

736
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: They got a bad drug problem and he's on alcohol

737
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: really bad. So he's making bad decisions. That's not John

738
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Gotti's thing. That's not what John got John gotty sober

739
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: is the motherfucker making these decisions and he getting people killed.

740
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Puff is just nasty and it's his way of to me.

741
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: This is kind of like I hear the term because

742
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Puff considers himself a man of God, right, and.

743
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: I think in his heart he.

744
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: Feels that, but his mind is kind of a little different,

745
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Like it's more stuff going on.

746
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: Like people say, even in an indictment, they talk about.

747
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: How to fact certain some of the pills you know,

748
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know he used drugs to control people.

749
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: He didn't stuff no drugs down people's mouth.

750
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: Like we got to eventually get back to a space

751
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: of accountability. That's the beginning of this conversation that we

752
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: even talking about where women want to date their ego

753
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: and a man, So then you got you know again,

754
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: you you you don't have space for the man. If

755
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: you got your ego, if you need to be a

756
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: proud human, a proud uh provider, and what you need

757
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: a man for, maybe you know, you could be like

758
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Diddy and.

759
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: Just buy one, just.

760
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Buy one, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's

761
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: just it's just frustrating. It's frustrating, you know. And then

762
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: the world is happening in front of the world and

763
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: on all levels, even from the beginning of this conversation,

764
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: where women are being taught to be like, oh, you

765
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: know from the independent songs like why would you have

766
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: to brag you take care of yourself?

767
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: I E and D E.

768
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: Why is that a good song? Like, there's no songs

769
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: like that for men? I pay my own bills. Well,

770
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: what is our song like that, I take care of myself.

771
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: That's I pay my own rent, I got my own car.

772
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: That's not a cool man a song.

773
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: Because it's it was always aspected for you guys to

774
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: do that.

775
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: It was women weren't supposed to work.

776
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 4: Well, women didn't work, and you know they weren't taking

777
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: care of themselves, so now.

778
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: You have to brag for being in a That's what happened.

779
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: They shouting it out from the ceiling.

780
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: To know what I'm saying, Like, what are we doing?

781
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: I take it it's equivalent to celebrating a birthday?

782
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everybody has this is what?

783
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 5: Yeah I'm not almost looking at me. Hey I didn't

784
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 5: die in the last year, look at me.

785
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't always have that, So when when did

786
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: women not have jobs?

787
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: Should? All the women in my family always had jobs.

788
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm just you know, going back, I guess.

789
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: That's the job to that.

790
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: Equal pain and ship like, oh, you know what, we're

791
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: making all of them now we're making as much money. Okay, cool,

792
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: But you're bragging about the ability to take care of

793
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: yourself as an adult.

794
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

795
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Even a term single moms, Like, I don't know what

796
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: that really means.

797
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: What do you mean single mom?

798
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that you was fucking? That's how

799
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: you had a kid?

800
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: She's a single mom. Single she's single.

801
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, she fucking she had a kid, but she's

802
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 6: a single daddy.

803
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: Not there title.

804
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: All that shows is that you was fucking and you're

805
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: not with the nigga you was fusing. Okay, that's not

806
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: nothing to brag about the.

807
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: Term single mom.

808
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 5: When you use the term failed wife.

809
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: Vibe what.

810
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Oh man?

811
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just we we we started maneuvering

812
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: society to a really weird space. I mean like it's

813
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: just really like I said, were men. You know, you're

814
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: not supposed to brag that you that's a flex when

815
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: you bragging that you know you take care of a woman.

816
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: It's not a flex to say you take care of yourself.

817
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Wait, it's a flex when you're saying you take care

818
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: of a woman.

819
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you take care of your family. And that didn't

820
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: used to be a flex, But that's a flex now.

821
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: If you pay all the bills, that's a flex.

822
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, y'all. I take care. I take care

823
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: of you.

824
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: If a woman took care of a man, she is

825
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: considered a failure in society.

826
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: You'd be liked.

827
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Imagine you have to take care of that dude, like

828
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: you have to take care of him everything he do,

829
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: every dumb ass mistake he make. That's how I feel

830
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: every time you do some dumb shit. He wrecked his car,

831
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: you gotta fix it keep they cy on.

832
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 2: When you go in and work, you gotta pay the bill.

833
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 2: That's how it is being a man.

834
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: A woman is expecting you to take care of her,

835
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: no matter what silly mistakes she make.

836
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: That's fright. Yeah, So sorry for y'all the.

837
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all good. It's all good.

838
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the society we live in. I

839
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: just don't want people to forget.

840
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 6: Well, if they didn't know, they know now it's you know,

841
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 6: you're taking care of.

842
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 4: Physical things, you know, stuff like that, but we're taking

843
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: care of the house.

844
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: Look, I think a whole household.

845
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I think I don't think a

846
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: woman don't pull her own way, even if a man

847
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: is paying all the bills.

848
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: It's not about that.

849
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: But if you don't have a true appreciation for that,

850
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: then you forget the gratitude portion of it.

851
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think taking care of a house

852
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: is a ton of work.

853
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: I think washing and and making sure the kids and

854
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: all that is a ton of work.

855
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a lack of respect for that work.

856
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: But obviously you know the the work that's tough because

857
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: you don't you know the work.

858
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: You don't want to do.

859
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: I bet you you could find a man who would actually,

860
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't mind ironing your clothes for you

861
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: to get up and go make all the money, and

862
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: he just get to sit at home and go get

863
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: his hair cut to look nice for you when he

864
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: come home and cook dinner. Still a different job. You

865
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: still wouldn't even if you you know, if Couz lost

866
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: his job and you and he making all the food,

867
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: it might be cool for the first few months, you know,

868
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you're like, damn, you know this ain't Then

869
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna look and you know, he left his

870
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: moon roof open, and now you gotta pay for his

871
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: interior and electronics get fixed. That shit gonna start to

872
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: come out. You're gonna be like, hold up.

873
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: Bro, have you ever watched I mean, did you ever

874
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: see mister mom?

875
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: I was just a second. Wasn't there a movie called

876
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: Decades Ago?

877
00:43:54,239 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: As basically she wasn't feeling it after a while, was

878
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: like it was reverse.

879
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 6: The man had to stay home the woman, and he

880
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 6: got laid he got furloughed, and the woman ended up

881
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 6: getting a job in advertising, so she started going to

882
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 6: work every day.

883
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: She was a stay at home. I don't care.

884
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 6: So he he was like fucking up shit, like fucked

885
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 6: up the washing machine, all kinds of stuff. It was

886
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 6: funny though, like he messed up like how to take

887
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 6: them to school, like he was all lost and stuff.

888
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: That's funny.

889
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: No looten any So so I do think there is

890
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: a lesson that men need to know for women who

891
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: actually take care of the house, Like there definitely needs

892
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: to be a real gratitude because I ain't no pump

893
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: cooking and cleaning and shit and caring for children on

894
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Speaker 1: the consistent.

895
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: But that's tough.

896
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: But it got to be an appreciation. And that's the point.

897
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: It needs to be gratitude. It's not enough gratitude, you know,

898
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: Like imagine you making some food, nigga telling you like, yeah,

899
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: I could cook my own food.

900
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: That shit would make you feel like.

901
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, especially made.

902
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: This food or you supposed to.

903
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Cook the food, right, oh yeah no, And that becomes

904
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: your attitude.

905
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: Who So you gotta define it in yourself. That's the trick.

906
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: You have to define it in yourself.

907
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: Take the ego out.

908
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Women definitely don't need pride or ego in a in

909
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: a in a and while they're dating a man. You

910
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: need pride of ego if you're taking care of yourself.

911
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely need it when you're taking care

912
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: of yourself, but you don't need it if you have

913
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: a man taking care of you that that ain't gonna.

914
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 2: Work for you. But both people do need gratitude.

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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: I agree with that, Like that's I think there's men

916
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: who don't really have the right gratuitous attitude towards the

917
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: old lady for you know, carrying that, you know, turning

918
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: the house into a home. That's just to maintaining a

919
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: home and some shit maintaining a home and some ship.

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00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: It's not no pump m h.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I agree,