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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks the Workshop series presented by

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Speaker 1: Lows and Buck. We've done this with a few teams,

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Speaker 1: most notably teams with young quarterbacks, rocky quarterbacks and what

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Speaker 1: that foundation looks like for him. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: it with the New England Patriots today, looking at a

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Speaker 1: team that has decided to give Drake May his opportunity here,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little earlier than we all thought, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into what he's getting himself into here

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Speaker 1: with the New England Patriots. How you doing, man, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay.

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Speaker 2: These series are always interesting when we take a team,

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Speaker 2: put him into workshop, kind of do a deep dive

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Speaker 2: on who they are, what they're about, and how they

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Speaker 2: can get this team up and going. So I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to take a look at Patriotes today.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start on the offensive side of the

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Speaker 1: ball and what we've seen thus far this year. And

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Speaker 1: I've watched some cutups on this as well as dug

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Speaker 1: into some numbers, so it's not pretty. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you some of the numbers here, Buck, and then

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Speaker 1: we can kind of get into the roster and where

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Speaker 1: they are at this point in time. But this is

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Speaker 1: a team right now. First of all, they're sitting one

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Speaker 1: and four, their last place in the AFC East, coming

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Speaker 1: off of a year where they were four and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: a last place finish in the AFC East. So far

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Speaker 1: this year, offensively, let's focus there. Two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: total yards per game, that's thirty first in the league.

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Speaker 1: They're averaging twelve point four points per game on offense,

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Speaker 1: that's also thirty first in the league. They're averaging one

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Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen point four passing yards per game on offense,

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Speaker 1: that is last in the league. Now we get into

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Speaker 1: some of the other numbers, which I dug into pressure percentage,

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Speaker 1: So percentage of pass plays where there's pressure forty eight

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Speaker 1: point nine percent, which is dead last in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: How about the number of times or the percentage of

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Speaker 1: eighteen point one percent, dead last in the NFL. Explosive

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Speaker 1: pass plays they've got fifteen, which puts them at thirty

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Speaker 1: first in the NFL. The only team that's behind them

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Speaker 1: so they have not played the same amount of games.

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Speaker 1: They're a game behind them. Yards after contact, they're thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: The two teams behind them, Tennessee and the Chargers, both

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Speaker 1: have only played four games, So you could make a

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Speaker 1: very strong argument they are worse than the league at

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Speaker 1: protecting their quarterback. Their quarterback gets knocked down more than

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Speaker 1: anybody else in the league. They're the least explosive offense

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Speaker 1: in the league, and they have the least amount of

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Speaker 1: production after the catch to aid a young quarterback. Not

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Speaker 1: a great situation, is what I'm getting at. The Drake

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Speaker 2: A great situation, and I'm sure we would dig into

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Speaker 2: the personnel around him. Most quarterbacks are depended upon the

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Speaker 2: playmakers do they have around whether it's the offensive line

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Speaker 2: take on all of the load, all of the burden

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Speaker 2: of hearing this offense. And when you look at the

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Speaker 2: Patriots on paper, they simply don't have enough to support

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Speaker 2: a young quarterback. Yes, he can get his game experience,

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Speaker 2: he can kind of figure out a little bit by

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Speaker 2: trial by error. But this is not in an ideal

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Speaker 2: it the right way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the positive, if we want to find

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Speaker 1: that when you look at what they do running the ball,

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Speaker 1: they have had a little bit of success. They're more

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Speaker 1: so throwing the ball, obviously, but when you look at

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Speaker 1: that's in four games. So that's that's something you can

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Speaker 1: take away. And we'll get into the personnel here in

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Speaker 1: terms of I don't really see a ton of building blocks,

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Speaker 1: some complimentary pieces at receiver. I don't see a true

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Speaker 1: they've got more pieces obviously. You start with Christian Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: you excited. But overall, I would say, you know, talent wise,

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Speaker 1: multiple years it's going to take to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: And with Drake May getting dumped into this, I'm curious

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got to run the ball, you've got

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Speaker 1: get his head knocked off. You just can't do that.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't do it. And you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that Joe Alice van Pelt does is he

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Speaker 2: go back and look at what he did in the preseason?

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Speaker 2: What successes did he have in practicing games did he

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Speaker 2: feels comfortable with At the end of the day, you're

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Speaker 2: Alx van Pelt. You need to go to Drake May

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Speaker 2: and make this a cooperation. This is not a dictatorship

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Speaker 2: where you're going to dictate to the quarterback what works.

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Speaker 2: You need to be hand in hand and locks up

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Speaker 2: with the quarterback to make sure the players that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right in terms of going back

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Speaker 1: May as a runner is something that can help you

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Speaker 1: in that regard for a team that's a little challenged

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Speaker 1: He's a big, strong guy, but then you also have

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Speaker 1: the fear of man. I don't want to get this

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Speaker 1: Just drop him back, Like do I really want to

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Speaker 1: run him a bunch? But where do you come down

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Speaker 2: I think for Drake May, you have to play him

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Speaker 2: the way that best suits his skill set. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a real conversation with him. What do you like,

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Speaker 2: a better passer later in the game. I want to

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Speaker 2: going to do everything but allow him to run his

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to play him, I want to make

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Speaker 2: can become a better player in twenty twenty five based

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's going to be key, is that

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Speaker 1: they've just got to do a better job of protecting him.

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Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to manufacture some more

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Speaker 1: explosive plays. Keep running the football bunch. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: had two winnable games so far to go along with

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Speaker 1: have rookie boobooz too. I mean, you're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: It played a ton, so you're gonna have that normal

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Speaker 1: process there. I'm torn on this one. Normally I try

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Speaker 1: and have a strong opinion on things, but I mean

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Speaker 1: it's two parter, right. Is he the best option for us? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really difficult situation, right, because you're the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: You got a bunch of veterans in there. They want

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Speaker 2: to win. You're looking around. They see practice every day.

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Speaker 2: They see what Drake may brings to the table in

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Speaker 2: terms of his arm, talent, his athleticism. And you have

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Speaker 2: some receivers who might be frustrated that the ball hasn't

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Speaker 2: gone their way. Whatever reason, Jacoby cat Set cannot get

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Speaker 2: the balls on him, He's under pressure, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: You got some guys that are upset who are asking,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's bring the young gay. What do we

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Speaker 2: do in a difficult situation to manage? But if you

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Speaker 2: drive Mayo man, you almost have to listen to the

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Speaker 2: of are they still rocking with Jakob Gri said, or

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Speaker 2: do I need to go ahead and rip the band

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Speaker 2: it off and put Drake may in there? Because once

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Speaker 2: I put him in there, to me, that's a season

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Speaker 2: long decision. You can't yo yo, Drake Maye. Once you

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Speaker 2: put him in. When he's in, he's the start, unless

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Speaker 2: there's an injury or something. He has to get all

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Speaker 2: the reps, all of them, and no matter what our

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Speaker 2: down with him saying, hey, we're gonna get him better

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's fair. They've got some guys

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Speaker 1: ball that make a big difference when they're back. So

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Speaker 1: you know, defensively, this roster is not in terrible shape.

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Speaker 1: I talked about their past rush the twenty fourth in

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Speaker 1: pressure percentage, so that's not great. But there are pieces there,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if you get bar More out there

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think they're they're kind of built

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Speaker 1: field goals, punts, you know, that's kind of there. That's

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Speaker 1: They have two pass plays over twenty five yards this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to do it. Man, I'm looking at

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