WEBVTT - How Vampires Work 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:12.960 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.600 Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant sitting across from me, 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.320 back in the saddle. Uh, and there's the stuff you 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.239 should know yo, back in the satellite. Yeah. Do you 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.599 want to explain that or should we just leave it 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:32.280 in mystery the saddle? Well with the metaphorical saddle, isn't 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.599 this case? Yeah? Well, um, you know, we have been 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:37.760 kind of away, even though it seems like we've been 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.160 here every week. Through the magic of um digital recording. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.000 That's right, pre recording, we uh, we batch recorded our 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.839 episodes and covered ourselves. We built up what we call 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.440 it Kittie and uh we've been releasing them steadily and 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.080 faithfully while we've been off recording a TV show, recording 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.160 a TV show. That's right, our own TV show where 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.240 and you be pointing this out to me? How cool 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.760 it is we play ourselves. Yeah. I think that's the 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.959 only thing I'm qualified to do it. Oh, yeah, totally. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.080 We would have failed miserably if we've done, you know, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.040 anything else, like a Sherlock Homes update or something like that. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.319 There's so many of those going on already, I know, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:21.440 so why not Yeah, why not elementary, my dear Clark. Yeah, um, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.120 but yeah, we have a TV show coming out. I 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.640 guess we can talk about it freely. We're done. Yeah, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.600 we'll we'll really ramp up the plug edge come December, 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.759 but look forward in January on Science Channel. And if 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.080 you don't have Science Channel, go out and purchase Science Channel. Yeah, 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.959 and we are. We do not know because I know 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.760 people are already asking about online um stuff. If they're 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.760 going to be available like uh, you know, through various 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.400 media outlets online. We don't know yet, and we're working 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:50.920 on that. We'd love for it too, but it's not 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.640 up to us. Yeah. So I mean you have to 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.880 head your bets and get Science Yes added to your 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.600 your cable subscription. And if your cable provider doesn't offer Channel, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.680 you burn down their offices. That's right, until they do, 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:09.480 that's right. Um. Okay, So, Chuck, have you ever heard 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.520 of a little movie called Twilight? Yeah, I've seen all 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.440 those you've seen them. Yeah, Emily's read the books and 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.440 she's way into it, so I have been. I got 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.960 sucked into it. That's very supportive of you. I don't 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.200 think they're very good. Um, but I must admit I 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.560 do want to see the final one, just because it's 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.359 like when you watch four of something, or however many 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.880 it's been three of something, it just become a weird 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.520 to stop there. So I will see the last one. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.600 When does that come out? I think probably sometime around 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.960 this published date. Oh really yeah, I think it's a 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.800 Thanksgiving her Christmas release. Yeah. Okay, Um, well I bring 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.360 that up to propose that that's the only time we 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.200 talk about that franchise for throughout this whole podcast. Agreed, Agreed, Um, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.880 because the vampires, which is what we're talking about, they 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.079 go back a very, very very long way. They've evolved, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:12.919 they've changed, they've shifted their shape. But um, they seem 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:18.239 to all have certain characteristics in common. Right. For example, Um, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.760 they can't see their reflection, well not necessarily, Okay. If 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.160 we go back to the ancient myths, okay. Uh, they 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:34.680 are wary of crucifixes, crucify nah, crucifixes. Uh, they only 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:39.120 come out at night. Yeah, they're undead, Yeah, suck blood 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.600 from a victim's neck. They have to be invited into 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.120 your home. Yeah, Garlic as well holy water, Yeah, superhuman strength, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.400 al tenants of the modern vampire lore. Yes, and modern 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.240 is a good It's a good way to put it 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.480 because all of this is a fairly recent um image 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.920 of the vampire thanks to bram Stoker and then shortly 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.360 after that fellow Leghosty. Yeah, we now have this conception 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.560 of the vampire. But like I said, it goes back 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:11.680 way way further than the nineteenth century or even the 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.280 eighteenth century. Yeah, it goes back as much as four 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.599 thousand years as far as we know. I'm probably further back, right, Yeah, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.039 And I will say one thing, not to bring up 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.839 the te word again, but brom Stoker and other authors 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.520 and filmmakers, the cool thing I like about the vampire 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.240 and pop culture is you can pull from all these 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.200 different things to create your own creature of the night. Yes, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.400 like some of them. You know, in in like True 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.560 Blood for instance, you know they can retract their fangs, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.720 they're super sexy. They you know, Lilith is in that 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.760 a version of Lilith that we'll talk about. So I 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:48.960 just think that's kind of one of the cool things 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.520 about vampires is brom Stoker did the same thing. He 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.279 pulled from different areas of mythology and said, this is 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.880 a fictional character I'm going to create using all these 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.760 old folk legends. But there are some things that are 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.279 are very basic. The commonalities among all vampires is that 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:12.600 generally they suck blood um, and they are dead in 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.360 some way, shape or form. They are they're undead. That's 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.920 a that's a great way just coined an excellent term 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.640 up um. So you have undead people, former people in 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.240 most cases um feeding on the living. That's the vampire. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.719 That's the basis of almost all vampires. But even that 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.240 has exceptions because these early, the earliest vampires that we 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:39.440 know of that arose out of the first civilization Mesopotamia. Um, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.880 we're actually demon goddesses, right, Yeah. Lamas Do was a 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.320 demon goddess and she was the daughter of Anu, the 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.800 sky god, and she would um creep in and kill 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.159 your babies. Yes, she was not a happy, nice person. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.159 She had talents wings um. And they believe that the 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.080 Assyrians and Babylonians were basically going like what is going 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:10.760 on when they would encounter sudden infant death syndrome or miscarriages, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.200 And they said, well, of course it is lamas Do. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.560 Thank you. Yeah, I think it's so funny how so 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.560 many of these things were sort of used to explain, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.599 and not vampires, but all kinds of folk legends to explain, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:28.920 like what medicine health says is sids, right, yeah, you know, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.640 but I mean like it's that that this basis of 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:39.000 the vampire legend using it to explain stuff people didn't understand, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.400 usually some sort of sudden death or wasting away as 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.920 we'll see later. Um, it spans thousands of years. People 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.039 have been going back to that well for thousands and 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.159 thousands of years. That's pretty interesting, you know when you 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.360 look at this one group in the nineteenth century with 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.040 the Assyrians four thousand years ago, and they're all thinking 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.440 the same thing. Yeah, that's I find that very interesting. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.000 That's that's an archetype if you ask you. Yeah, And 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.520 it just goes to show you we're all humans all 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.600 over the world for as long as we've been around. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:16.120 We're all stupid. We're all stupid, all right. Um. Lamas 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.240 Do is also associated with Lilith, who I mentioned who 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.960 this past season was on True Blood like a version 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.480 of Lilith. But um, she is in a prominent in 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.000 Jewish text and is a lot like lamas do. She 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:35.840 Um was the first woman, supposedly not Eve but Adam 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.400 and lilith Yeah, that's like that question about like who 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.120 is the first president. Yeah, well apparently there were other 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.120 presidents for Washington, like eight or nine before Washington, but 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.160 you just have to say, well, were they the president 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.280 of the United States? They weren't. So lilith Um was 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.720 a modern woman, and she was like, you know, Adam, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.680 I ain't putting up with this because I am just 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.800 the same as you. I was created from God just 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.280 like you are. And so Um, stop acting like you're 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:08.360 not made of dust exactly. So she left Eden said 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.200 I'm out of here. I'm gonna have my own kids. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.440 God sends angels to bring her back. She's like, no, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.000 I'm not going. And the angel said, all right, do 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.280 you think angels are nice? We're gonna kill one hundred 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.360 of your children every day until you get back up 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.160 to eat or heaven. Yeah. And rather than say okay, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.920 well let's go back to eating, then Leis said do it, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.600 and they did it, and so she started killing human 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.439 children in return. That's right again, with sharp talents, a 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.720 winged demonus stealing infants and fetuses, and I find that 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.240 extremely interesting, Um, that the vampire legend is kind of 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:48.079 born out of this, um, this folklore of how you're 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:52.000 supposed to be subservient to men. You know. That's uh, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.800 that's very interesting to me because they there's this element 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.600 of seduction that kind of was reinvented with vampires here 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.400 or there, but it's one of the It may have 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.480 gone away in some areas, but it always came back, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:12.360 this idea that there was a woman or a person 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.959 who didn't follow sexual mores, whether that sexual meaning like 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.200 intercourse or gender. They didn't follow the rules. And that's 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.600 kind of like another thing that's always kept the vampire 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.640 legend going, or that's always been a part of it. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.880 I guess that's a good point, because Lilith thus set 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.360 up the notion of the us you know, we see 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.920 over and over in further legends, right. Um. And then 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.520 so Lilith is associated with ancient Jewish texts. Um Lamas 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.520 too is uh from Mesopotamia. And they aren't certain if 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.600 um Lilith was a variation of Lamaster or if they 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.520 both evolved from a third character. But um, those are 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.720 the two most ancient ideas of vampires that we have 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.360 shortly after that we can head on over to. And 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.760 they had they feared a lot of vampire like creatures. Yeah, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.720 Lamia was another demonus um head and torso of a woman, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.280 lower body of the snake and um. Evidently this was 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.280 one of Zeus' mortal lovers. She his wife, did not 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.840 take kindly to this, Harah. And she was like, no, 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.280 I'm gonna make you go insane, lady and eat all 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.960 your children. Yeah, you're so crazy, You're gonna eat your 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.400 kids and then come to afterward, that's right. And when 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.640 she did, she went so she she went so berserk, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.640 not in the Viking way, not berserker, No, just straight 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:44.480 up berserk that she um became a monster again, killing children, Yeah, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.040 because she was jealous of other women who tried children. Um. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:53.079 Who else Um. They also had the yes, the daughters 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.520 of Hakad, who was the goddess of witchcraft. Ye. And 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.680 they were shapeshifters for the first time. Right, So like 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.680 you have all these all these different cultures contributing to 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:09.720 the vampire that we understand today here there um. And 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.800 it wasn't just the Greeks, it wasn't just the Mesopotamians. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.920 You also had India getting into the mix with the 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:22.439 rack Shassa right um, which was basically like a ghoule, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.160 the shape shifting Google who once again killed children, right 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.560 And same with the Vitala, but they were more like 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.480 a zombie if you ask me, Yeah, a demon who 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.240 took possession of recently dead bodies, freak havoc on a 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.600 living that's a that's a sound. Um. And then the 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:48.959 Chinese also had their own thing, um the KUEI sure, okay, 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.480 you have to say like that. Yeah, Like, um, the 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.560 guy on NPR who always reports from China, he speaks 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.199 to him really and all of a sudden, I mean, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.400 he's doing it accurately, but it's like, um, little bit 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.000 like Daniel day lewis doing Lincoln. It's like, yeah, that's accurate, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.920 but do you do you know it sounds like I 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.880 wanted to get rid of slavery. That was sort of 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.800 like a jacked up Kennedy. That's weird a little bit. Um, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.120 So how do how do quai come about? They are 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.480 corpses who would rise from the grave kill again, and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.320 that happened when a person's lower spirit did not pass 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.000 through the afterlife because of bad things. They did so 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.800 the poe was angered by the lower spirit. Yeah, and 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.600 that would reanimate basically and say, you know what, I'm 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.120 gonna attack the living at night once again, because what 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.640 else do I have to do? Nothing? Well, it's a 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.160 good way to exact revenge. Just have to hang around here. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.480 That's the wheelbarrow. So all of these stories were floating 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.480 around the world and eventually UM, through trade and things 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.160 wound up in Europe. Yeah, the first globalization, the silk 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.240 roads started bringing all these things together, and yeah, they 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.640 moved over to Europe, and that's where they really sort 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.080 of took off, I guess you could say. And in 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:10.440 the place that became the epicenter um was Central Europe 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.640 or Eastern Europe. Yeah, Russia early on with the upier 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:23.280 and again Greek with the boy uh Rykolakas or kolacas. Yeah, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.240 one of those one of those you can't start a 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.760 word with four consonants, one of them got to be silent. Yeah. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.920 And this kind of like um was an offshoot of 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.800 the Chinese conception of how a vampire became a vampire. Uh. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.840 The upier um, which they think is the word that 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:47.040 led to vampire or vampire um was basically a person 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.040 who during their life was a sinner un baptized baby, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:56.720 which is really sad, a vampire baby. That's kind of funny. Um. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:01.559 And they anyone who wasn't a Christian, Yeah, practitioners of witchcraft, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.520 especially of course for obvious reasons, because you'd already sold 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.720 your soul of the devil. Yeah, so you're you're doomed. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.840 You're like halfway there, right, So, um, all of these 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.440 factors combined to basically make you a loser in the 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:21.240 afterlife and you're going to come back. Um. And families 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.760 were I guess aware of this kind of thing. They 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:28.120 knew that there was the possibility that you know, uncle 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:35.960 Uncle Vigo, who had a lot of big gambling problem 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.600 which the village looked down upon, um when he was alive. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.080 When he died, well, he was probably going to become 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.880 a new pier. And so if all of a sudden 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.760 Uncle Vigo's like nephews start dying in a weird way, um, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.800 say of maybe a dread disease, the family probably go 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.480 dig up Uncle Vigo and do crazy stuff to his body. Yeah. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.480 And one thing to point out here this is I 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.560 think the first time with the upier that we get 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.000 the notion that they would go back to the grave 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.600 to rest. Oh yeah, it's a big one on a 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.560 regular basis, and that sets things up moving forward kind of. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.800 So like you said, they would, um sometimes dig these 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.040 bodies up, sometimes burn them, um, drive a stake through 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.360 the heart. They would really take care of this corpse. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.640 They would bury them face down sometimes. Yeah, so like 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.640 if they tried to crawl out, they would be headed 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.960 in the wrong direction. That's pretty or but um steaks 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.680 facing down, so if they tried to crawl up, they 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:41.280 would stake themselves. And that was this is the Uh. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.960 About a thousand years ago in Central Europe, this stuff, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.040 or es Central or Eastern Europe, this stuff started to Um, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.360 these beliefs started to come about that you could solve 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:59.000 your vampire troubles by butchering the corpse of the suspective vampire. Yeah. Um. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.880 And it started then and it carried on anytime there's 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:07.120 a vampire panic, which uh, interestingly all almost always attended 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.760 a an outbreak of some sort of disease. I could 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.120 see that, um, because once again they're just trying to 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:18.080 explain away exactly medical conditions, right. Um, people would dig 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.000 up corpses and like do crazy things to them. Like 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.680 in Venice they found a sixteenth century corpse that had 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:30.200 a brick in its mouth and they no, it hadn't 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.480 it didn't fall in there. Um. And then in the 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.360 eighteen fifties there's this really cool article Chuck called the 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.520 Great New England Vampire Panic. It was on um the 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.640 Smithsonian website recently. It is awesome. And in the eighteen 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.640 fifties in Connecticut there was a tuberculosis outbreak and people 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:52.960 panicked and started digging up graves and the just completely 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.640 um rearranging the people's bones, are cutting out their hearts 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.320 and burning them and doing all sorts of crazy stuff. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.440 And these were this is the eighteen fifties. I mean, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.760 this wasn't the Dark Ages. Like people were starting to 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.280 have an understanding of like disease like the Salem which 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.159 trials same deal, right, but two hundred years later, a 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.760 hundred fifty years later, you know, so um, there there 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.880 was this big panics still as recently as the eighteen 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.960 fifties in the US among you know, folk who dug 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.879 up their family members and like burn their their hearts. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.280 Those people are funny, Yeah, they call them undecided voters. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.280 But those are those are the people that I'm talking 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.720 about that they're doing the same thing, we're thinking the 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.080 same things that the Assyrians did four thousand years before. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:46.240 I just think that's so interesting and yeah, um so 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:52.600 in uh Wallachia, Moldavia in Transylvania which is now Romania. Um, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:59.280 they had something called and stray were. Um they were 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.440 a little bit different because they were um. They would 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.080 go through different stages after rising from the grave. Like 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.160 at first they were just poltergeist and they were invisible 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:12.240 spirits that would torment their family in the afterlife um 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.360 or in their regular life the strict boys afterlife. Does 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.720 that make sense? Um? But then they would as time passed, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.480 they would become visible looking like they did in life, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.320 and they would still return and steel cattle and bring 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.520 disease and all that stuff to their family for food. Yeah, 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.080 why would they do this to their family? That's what 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:35.720 I never got. I think I saw later. Um that metaphorically, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.840 it's a it's basically a vampire lore is a life lesson. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.680 Don't be a drain on your family. Support your family, 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.480 take care of your parents in their old age, like 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.720 you don't want to be a strogoy. Okay, you know 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.200 what I mean. Sure, I guess that makes sense. Um. 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.639 And strogy or a strogo, which I guess is the 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.440 singular of the strogoy, would Um, they would have to 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.159 go back to the grave a lot, just like the 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.479 upier did. And they followed the same pattern. They if 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.720 they thought someone was a striggo, they would exhume the 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.639 body and take care of it the old fashioned way. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.280 And um, but here's a little loophole. If you managed 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.840 to survive for seven years as a striggo, then you're 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.520 good to go. And they're like, all right, you've got 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.359 staying power. You just go do your striggo things right. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.199 You are like the living debt. You no longer have 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.040 to like return to your grave to rest. You're basically reborn. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.639 Well done. Um. And apparently the striggo couldn't um or 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.200 the strigoy couldn't make their way in their town after 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.880 that seventh year, you know, because they went on to vote. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.159 There is all sorts of all the right. Um. So 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.360 they would move to other towns and they would have 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.440 secret meetings with other strigg oy and um, that's where 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.760 the idea of vampires fraternizing came from yeah, hanging out, Yeah, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:56.600 talking shop. Yeah, basically a secret culture of vampires existing 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.160 outside of our awareness. You remember, remember like on Jerry 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.480 Springer when that was on, or it might still be on, 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.040 have no idea I think it is. Is it really? Yeah? Wow? 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.520 Is it still the same crap? Oh yeah, yeah, he 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.119 didn't take the high road at some point. No. I 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:15.879 just remember back in the day, they would have like 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.600 those real vampires, the people that lived the vampire lifestyle. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.120 There's a video of it in this um is there 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.720 in this article? Oh boy? Yeah, the guy looks like 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:32.000 a cross between Marilyn Manson and um Brandon Lee. Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.200 kind of kind of odd looking. He's got the contact 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.879 lenses and everything. Yeah, they'll they'll shave down their their fangs, 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.080 like for real, right, they'll file them down. Yeah. Um. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.240 So there's two types of TROGOI right, You've got the 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:51.200 strogoy mort not Morty no more isn't dead. So this 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.080 is the basically who we were just describing, and then 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:58.359 the strong oy view, which is the living, the person 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.800 who's going to become a streako when they die. Yeah, 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.240 people that I feel very sorry for because they were 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.800 probably just born with a bump. What are those called 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.719 the when you're born with a like really just racking 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.760 my head with a vestige like a partial tail? Yeah, uh, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.639 vestigial tail. Yeah, no, there's a word for it. I 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:23.280 can't remember. I'm so tired of doing this. Have we 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.440 wasted combine saying, oh, I wish I could remember it. Well, 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.360 we just invented this off the top of our head, 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:40.240 soans ai, yes, exactly right, and some sort of drug. Yeah, 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.879 it is actually um so here, poor baby born with 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.320 a vestigial tail, a little bump on the top of 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.160 your tailbone or um some sort of fetal membrane still 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.600 attached to the head, which is called a call. Yeah, 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:57.000 they would just call you a string strio view or voo. Right, 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.399 and you're sort of like, sorry, I was born with 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.639 his bump. I'm not a vampire living walking on the earth. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.359 They said, no, you are, and if you have kids, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.480 and they're gonna be h stro oi in the afterlife, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.480 and we'll have to destroy your body when you die, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.159 and they did, and they did so. But I guess 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.159 it's kind of nice that they didn't just kill the 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:22.040 person while they were living. They just showed them I'm sure, yeah, exactly. Um, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.719 the idea of a call like having some sort of 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.040 um special significance, is it goes beyond the vampire thing 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:32.000 to like like you're gifted with the second side, or 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.280 there's all sorts of like supernatural paranormal folklore surrounding people 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.919 born with a call. Once again, people have proven to 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.399 be stupid over the years. So, um, but this is 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.000 where vampire came in, right, Yeah, the street go, the 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.560 strog oy um started to come to be called the vampire, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.239 which is again from Upier in the Russian And all 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.720 of a sudden, the stage is set for the vampire 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.960 legend to really take hold as it's taking shape. Yeah, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.840 and like this is where pop culture came into plague 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.040 hysteria had set in, and so painters and artists and 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:10.160 authors had this material that's pretty rich for the time. 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.000 All this hysteria's gone on, so let's write a scary 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.280 book about it. And that's what Bram Stoker did. Yeah, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.520 and he was, um, he was, are you going with Brom? 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.280 I go with Bram, you go, Bram? Yeah? Have you 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.840 ever read it? I know, I saw the movie though 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.680 it literally the movie was a pretty faithful at it 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.520 with the couple of one. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty good. 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:33.720 The book is great, though. I took a literature of 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.040 horror class at Georgia and it was one of the 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.399 cooler classes I took. I'm sure he did Dracula and 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.520 Frankenstein and like the House of Usher and then a 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:45.000 bunch of short stories. Yeah, very cool. So Bram Stoker 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.320 also Abraham Stoker, which I didn't know until I read 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.800 this that was his first name. Yeah, just because the 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.240 class um he uh. He was a theater manager and 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:59.000 a novelist and also a really great researcher because you know, 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:03.760 all this stuff from this empire um um hysteria, yeah, 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.920 panic from all this took place like hundreds of years 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.640 before him. And I guess I don't know what inspired 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.720 him exactly or where he saw it or where the 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.879 where this all took place. But he didn't just go, 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:17.840 oh that's a pretty good idea and wrote his book 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.760 like he went and did some serious research. Yes, supposedly 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.320