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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant sitting across from me,
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Speaker 1: that's right. Um. Okay, So, Chuck, have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of a little movie called Twilight? Yeah, I've seen all
Speaker 1: those you've seen them. Yeah, Emily's read the books and
Speaker 1: she's way into it, so I have been. I got
Speaker 1: sucked into it. That's very supportive of you. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're very good. Um, but I must admit I
Speaker 1: do want to see the final one, just because it's
Speaker 1: like when you watch four of something, or however many
Speaker 1: it's been three of something, it just become a weird
Speaker 1: to stop there. So I will see the last one.
Speaker 1: When does that come out? I think probably sometime around
Speaker 1: this published date. Oh really yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving her Christmas release. Yeah. Okay, Um, well I bring
Speaker 1: that up to propose that that's the only time we
Speaker 1: talk about that franchise for throughout this whole podcast. Agreed, Agreed, Um,
Speaker 1: because the vampires, which is what we're talking about, they
Speaker 1: go back a very, very very long way. They've evolved,
Speaker 1: they've changed, they've shifted their shape. But um, they seem
Speaker 1: to all have certain characteristics in common. Right. For example, Um,
Speaker 1: they can't see their reflection, well not necessarily, Okay. If
Speaker 1: we go back to the ancient myths, okay. Uh, they
Speaker 1: are wary of crucifixes, crucify nah, crucifixes. Uh, they only
Speaker 1: come out at night. Yeah, they're undead, Yeah, suck blood
Speaker 1: from a victim's neck. They have to be invited into
Speaker 1: your home. Yeah, Garlic as well holy water, Yeah, superhuman strength,
Speaker 1: al tenants of the modern vampire lore. Yes, and modern
Speaker 1: is a good It's a good way to put it
Speaker 1: because all of this is a fairly recent um image
Speaker 1: of the vampire thanks to bram Stoker and then shortly
Speaker 1: after that fellow Leghosty. Yeah, we now have this conception
Speaker 1: of the vampire. But like I said, it goes back
Speaker 1: way way further than the nineteenth century or even the
Speaker 1: eighteenth century. Yeah, it goes back as much as four
Speaker 1: thousand years as far as we know. I'm probably further back, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I will say one thing, not to bring up
Speaker 1: the te word again, but brom Stoker and other authors
Speaker 1: and filmmakers, the cool thing I like about the vampire
Speaker 1: and pop culture is you can pull from all these
Speaker 1: different things to create your own creature of the night. Yes,
Speaker 1: like some of them. You know, in in like True
Speaker 1: Blood for instance, you know they can retract their fangs,
Speaker 1: they're super sexy. They you know, Lilith is in that
Speaker 1: a version of Lilith that we'll talk about. So I
Speaker 1: just think that's kind of one of the cool things
Speaker 1: about vampires is brom Stoker did the same thing. He
Speaker 1: pulled from different areas of mythology and said, this is
Speaker 1: a fictional character I'm going to create using all these
Speaker 1: old folk legends. But there are some things that are
Speaker 1: are very basic. The commonalities among all vampires is that
Speaker 1: generally they suck blood um, and they are dead in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. They are they're undead. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a great way just coined an excellent term
Speaker 1: up um. So you have undead people, former people in
Speaker 1: most cases um feeding on the living. That's the vampire.
Speaker 1: That's the basis of almost all vampires. But even that
Speaker 1: has exceptions because these early, the earliest vampires that we
Speaker 1: know of that arose out of the first civilization Mesopotamia. Um,
Speaker 1: we're actually demon goddesses, right, Yeah. Lamas Do was a
Speaker 1: demon goddess and she was the daughter of Anu, the
Speaker 1: sky god, and she would um creep in and kill
Speaker 1: your babies. Yes, she was not a happy, nice person.
Speaker 1: She had talents wings um. And they believe that the
Speaker 1: Assyrians and Babylonians were basically going like what is going
Speaker 1: on when they would encounter sudden infant death syndrome or miscarriages,
Speaker 1: And they said, well, of course it is lamas Do.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I think it's so funny how so
Speaker 1: many of these things were sort of used to explain,
Speaker 1: and not vampires, but all kinds of folk legends to explain,
Speaker 1: like what medicine health says is sids, right, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean like it's that that this basis of
Speaker 1: the vampire legend using it to explain stuff people didn't understand,
Speaker 1: usually some sort of sudden death or wasting away as
Speaker 1: we'll see later. Um, it spans thousands of years. People
Speaker 1: have been going back to that well for thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of years. That's pretty interesting, you know when you
Speaker 1: look at this one group in the nineteenth century with
Speaker 1: the Assyrians four thousand years ago, and they're all thinking
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, that's I find that very interesting.
Speaker 1: That's that's an archetype if you ask you. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it just goes to show you we're all humans all
Speaker 1: over the world for as long as we've been around.
Speaker 1: We're all stupid. We're all stupid, all right. Um. Lamas
Speaker 1: Do is also associated with Lilith, who I mentioned who
Speaker 1: this past season was on True Blood like a version
Speaker 1: of Lilith. But um, she is in a prominent in
Speaker 1: Jewish text and is a lot like lamas do. She
Speaker 1: Um was the first woman, supposedly not Eve but Adam
Speaker 1: and lilith Yeah, that's like that question about like who
Speaker 1: is the first president. Yeah, well apparently there were other
Speaker 1: presidents for Washington, like eight or nine before Washington, but
Speaker 1: you just have to say, well, were they the president
Speaker 1: of the United States? They weren't. So lilith Um was
Speaker 1: a modern woman, and she was like, you know, Adam,
Speaker 1: I ain't putting up with this because I am just
Speaker 1: the same as you. I was created from God just
Speaker 1: like you are. And so Um, stop acting like you're
Speaker 1: not made of dust exactly. So she left Eden said
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm gonna have my own kids.
Speaker 1: God sends angels to bring her back. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going. And the angel said, all right, do
Speaker 1: you think angels are nice? We're gonna kill one hundred
Speaker 1: of your children every day until you get back up
Speaker 1: to eat or heaven. Yeah. And rather than say okay,
Speaker 1: well let's go back to eating, then Leis said do it,
Speaker 1: and they did it, and so she started killing human
Speaker 1: children in return. That's right again, with sharp talents, a
Speaker 1: winged demonus stealing infants and fetuses, and I find that
Speaker 1: extremely interesting, Um, that the vampire legend is kind of
Speaker 1: born out of this, um, this folklore of how you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be subservient to men. You know. That's uh,
Speaker 1: that's very interesting to me because they there's this element
Speaker 1: of seduction that kind of was reinvented with vampires here
Speaker 1: or there, but it's one of the It may have
Speaker 1: gone away in some areas, but it always came back,
Speaker 1: this idea that there was a woman or a person
Speaker 1: who didn't follow sexual mores, whether that sexual meaning like
Speaker 1: intercourse or gender. They didn't follow the rules. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of like another thing that's always kept the vampire
Speaker 1: legend going, or that's always been a part of it.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a good point, because Lilith thus set
Speaker 1: up the notion of the us you know, we see
Speaker 1: over and over in further legends, right. Um. And then
Speaker 1: so Lilith is associated with ancient Jewish texts. Um Lamas
Speaker 1: too is uh from Mesopotamia. And they aren't certain if
Speaker 1: um Lilith was a variation of Lamaster or if they
Speaker 1: both evolved from a third character. But um, those are
Speaker 1: the two most ancient ideas of vampires that we have
Speaker 1: shortly after that we can head on over to. And
Speaker 1: they had they feared a lot of vampire like creatures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lamia was another demonus um head and torso of a woman,
Speaker 1: lower body of the snake and um. Evidently this was
Speaker 1: one of Zeus' mortal lovers. She his wife, did not
Speaker 1: take kindly to this, Harah. And she was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you go insane, lady and eat all
Speaker 1: your children. Yeah, you're so crazy, You're gonna eat your
Speaker 1: kids and then come to afterward, that's right. And when
Speaker 1: she did, she went so she she went so berserk,
Speaker 1: not in the Viking way, not berserker, No, just straight
Speaker 1: up berserk that she um became a monster again, killing children, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she was jealous of other women who tried children. Um.
Speaker 1: Who else Um. They also had the yes, the daughters
Speaker 1: of Hakad, who was the goddess of witchcraft. Ye. And
Speaker 1: they were shapeshifters for the first time. Right, So like
Speaker 1: you have all these all these different cultures contributing to
Speaker 1: the vampire that we understand today here there um. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the Greeks, it wasn't just the Mesopotamians.
Speaker 1: You also had India getting into the mix with the
Speaker 1: rack Shassa right um, which was basically like a ghoule,
Speaker 1: the shape shifting Google who once again killed children, right
Speaker 1: And same with the Vitala, but they were more like
Speaker 1: a zombie if you ask me, Yeah, a demon who
Speaker 1: took possession of recently dead bodies, freak havoc on a
Speaker 1: living that's a that's a sound. Um. And then the
Speaker 1: Chinese also had their own thing, um the KUEI sure, okay,
Speaker 1: you have to say like that. Yeah, Like, um, the
Speaker 1: guy on NPR who always reports from China, he speaks
Speaker 1: to him really and all of a sudden, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's doing it accurately, but it's like, um, little bit
Speaker 1: like Daniel day lewis doing Lincoln. It's like, yeah, that's accurate,
Speaker 1: but do you do you know it sounds like I
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of slavery. That was sort of
Speaker 1: like a jacked up Kennedy. That's weird a little bit. Um,
Speaker 1: So how do how do quai come about? They are
Speaker 1: corpses who would rise from the grave kill again, and
Speaker 1: that happened when a person's lower spirit did not pass
Speaker 1: through the afterlife because of bad things. They did so
Speaker 1: the poe was angered by the lower spirit. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that would reanimate basically and say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna attack the living at night once again, because what
Speaker 1: else do I have to do? Nothing? Well, it's a
Speaker 1: good way to exact revenge. Just have to hang around here.
Speaker 1: That's the wheelbarrow. So all of these stories were floating
Speaker 1: around the world and eventually UM, through trade and things
Speaker 1: wound up in Europe. Yeah, the first globalization, the silk
Speaker 1: roads started bringing all these things together, and yeah, they
Speaker 1: moved over to Europe, and that's where they really sort
Speaker 1: of took off, I guess you could say. And in
Speaker 1: the place that became the epicenter um was Central Europe
Speaker 1: or Eastern Europe. Yeah, Russia early on with the upier
Speaker 1: and again Greek with the boy uh Rykolakas or kolacas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those one of those you can't start a
Speaker 1: word with four consonants, one of them got to be silent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this kind of like um was an offshoot of
Speaker 1: the Chinese conception of how a vampire became a vampire. Uh.
Speaker 1: The upier um, which they think is the word that
Speaker 1: led to vampire or vampire um was basically a person
Speaker 1: who during their life was a sinner un baptized baby,
Speaker 1: which is really sad, a vampire baby. That's kind of funny. Um.
Speaker 1: And they anyone who wasn't a Christian, Yeah, practitioners of witchcraft,
Speaker 1: especially of course for obvious reasons, because you'd already sold
Speaker 1: your soul of the devil. Yeah, so you're you're doomed.
Speaker 1: You're like halfway there, right, So, um, all of these
Speaker 1: factors combined to basically make you a loser in the
Speaker 1: afterlife and you're going to come back. Um. And families
Speaker 1: were I guess aware of this kind of thing. They
Speaker 1: knew that there was the possibility that you know, uncle
Speaker 1: Uncle Vigo, who had a lot of big gambling problem
Speaker 1: which the village looked down upon, um when he was alive.
Speaker 1: When he died, well, he was probably going to become
Speaker 1: a new pier. And so if all of a sudden
Speaker 1: Uncle Vigo's like nephews start dying in a weird way, um,
Speaker 1: say of maybe a dread disease, the family probably go
Speaker 1: dig up Uncle Vigo and do crazy stuff to his body. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one thing to point out here this is I
Speaker 1: think the first time with the upier that we get
Speaker 1: the notion that they would go back to the grave
Speaker 1: to rest. Oh yeah, it's a big one on a
Speaker 1: regular basis, and that sets things up moving forward kind of.
Speaker 1: So like you said, they would, um sometimes dig these
Speaker 1: bodies up, sometimes burn them, um, drive a stake through
Speaker 1: the heart. They would really take care of this corpse.
Speaker 1: They would bury them face down sometimes. Yeah, so like
Speaker 1: if they tried to crawl out, they would be headed
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. That's pretty or but um steaks
Speaker 1: facing down, so if they tried to crawl up, they
Speaker 1: would stake themselves. And that was this is the Uh.
Speaker 1: About a thousand years ago in Central Europe, this stuff,
Speaker 1: or es Central or Eastern Europe, this stuff started to Um,
Speaker 1: these beliefs started to come about that you could solve
Speaker 1: your vampire troubles by butchering the corpse of the suspective vampire. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And it started then and it carried on anytime there's
Speaker 1: a vampire panic, which uh, interestingly all almost always attended
Speaker 1: a an outbreak of some sort of disease. I could
Speaker 1: see that, um, because once again they're just trying to
Speaker 1: explain away exactly medical conditions, right. Um, people would dig
Speaker 1: up corpses and like do crazy things to them. Like
Speaker 1: in Venice they found a sixteenth century corpse that had
Speaker 1: a brick in its mouth and they no, it hadn't
Speaker 1: it didn't fall in there. Um. And then in the
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties there's this really cool article Chuck called the
Speaker 1: Great New England Vampire Panic. It was on um the
Speaker 1: Smithsonian website recently. It is awesome. And in the eighteen
Speaker 1: fifties in Connecticut there was a tuberculosis outbreak and people
Speaker 1: panicked and started digging up graves and the just completely
Speaker 1: um rearranging the people's bones, are cutting out their hearts
Speaker 1: and burning them and doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: And these were this is the eighteen fifties. I mean,
Speaker 1: this wasn't the Dark Ages. Like people were starting to
Speaker 1: have an understanding of like disease like the Salem which
Speaker 1: trials same deal, right, but two hundred years later, a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty years later, you know, so um, there there
Speaker 1: was this big panics still as recently as the eighteen
Speaker 1: fifties in the US among you know, folk who dug
Speaker 1: up their family members and like burn their their hearts.
Speaker 1: Those people are funny, Yeah, they call them undecided voters.
Speaker 1: But those are those are the people that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about that they're doing the same thing, we're thinking the
Speaker 1: same things that the Assyrians did four thousand years before.
Speaker 1: I just think that's so interesting and yeah, um so
Speaker 1: in uh Wallachia, Moldavia in Transylvania which is now Romania. Um,
Speaker 1: they had something called and stray were. Um they were
Speaker 1: a little bit different because they were um. They would
Speaker 1: go through different stages after rising from the grave. Like
Speaker 1: at first they were just poltergeist and they were invisible
Speaker 1: spirits that would torment their family in the afterlife um
Speaker 1: or in their regular life the strict boys afterlife. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Um? But then they would as time passed,
Speaker 1: they would become visible looking like they did in life,
Speaker 1: and they would still return and steel cattle and bring
Speaker 1: disease and all that stuff to their family for food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why would they do this to their family? That's what
Speaker 1: I never got. I think I saw later. Um that metaphorically,
Speaker 1: it's a it's basically a vampire lore is a life lesson.
Speaker 1: Don't be a drain on your family. Support your family,
Speaker 1: take care of your parents in their old age, like
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a strogoy. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Sure, I guess that makes sense. Um.
Speaker 1: And strogy or a strogo, which I guess is the
Speaker 1: singular of the strogoy, would Um, they would have to
Speaker 1: go back to the grave a lot, just like the
Speaker 1: upier did. And they followed the same pattern. They if
Speaker 1: they thought someone was a striggo, they would exhume the
Speaker 1: body and take care of it the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1: And um, but here's a little loophole. If you managed
Speaker 1: to survive for seven years as a striggo, then you're
Speaker 1: good to go. And they're like, all right, you've got
Speaker 1: staying power. You just go do your striggo things right.
Speaker 1: You are like the living debt. You no longer have
Speaker 1: to like return to your grave to rest. You're basically reborn.
Speaker 1: Well done. Um. And apparently the striggo couldn't um or
Speaker 1: the strigoy couldn't make their way in their town after
Speaker 1: that seventh year, you know, because they went on to vote.
Speaker 1: There is all sorts of all the right. Um. So
Speaker 1: they would move to other towns and they would have
Speaker 1: secret meetings with other strigg oy and um, that's where
Speaker 1: the idea of vampires fraternizing came from yeah, hanging out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking shop. Yeah, basically a secret culture of vampires existing
Speaker 1: outside of our awareness. You remember, remember like on Jerry
Speaker 1: Springer when that was on, or it might still be on,
Speaker 1: have no idea I think it is. Is it really? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Is it still the same crap? Oh yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't take the high road at some point. No. I
Speaker 1: just remember back in the day, they would have like
Speaker 1: those real vampires, the people that lived the vampire lifestyle.
Speaker 1: There's a video of it in this um is there
Speaker 1: in this article? Oh boy? Yeah, the guy looks like
Speaker 1: a cross between Marilyn Manson and um Brandon Lee. Oh yeah, yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of odd looking. He's got the contact
Speaker 1: lenses and everything. Yeah, they'll they'll shave down their their fangs,
Speaker 1: like for real, right, they'll file them down. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's two types of TROGOI right, You've got the
Speaker 1: strogoy mort not Morty no more isn't dead. So this
Speaker 1: is the basically who we were just describing, and then
Speaker 1: the strong oy view, which is the living, the person
Speaker 1: who's going to become a streako when they die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people that I feel very sorry for because they were
Speaker 1: probably just born with a bump. What are those called
Speaker 1: the when you're born with a like really just racking
Speaker 1: my head with a vestige like a partial tail? Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: vestigial tail. Yeah, no, there's a word for it. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I'm so tired of doing this. Have we
Speaker 1: wasted combine saying, oh, I wish I could remember it. Well,
Speaker 1: we just invented this off the top of our head,
Speaker 1: soans ai, yes, exactly right, and some sort of drug. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is actually um so here, poor baby born with
Speaker 1: a vestigial tail, a little bump on the top of
Speaker 1: your tailbone or um some sort of fetal membrane still
Speaker 1: attached to the head, which is called a call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would just call you a string strio view or voo. Right,
Speaker 1: and you're sort of like, sorry, I was born with
Speaker 1: his bump. I'm not a vampire living walking on the earth.
Speaker 1: They said, no, you are, and if you have kids,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be h stro oi in the afterlife,
Speaker 1: and we'll have to destroy your body when you die,
Speaker 1: and they did, and they did so. But I guess
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice that they didn't just kill the
Speaker 1: person while they were living. They just showed them I'm sure, yeah, exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: the idea of a call like having some sort of
Speaker 1: um special significance, is it goes beyond the vampire thing
Speaker 1: to like like you're gifted with the second side, or
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of like supernatural paranormal folklore surrounding people
Speaker 1: born with a call. Once again, people have proven to
Speaker 1: be stupid over the years. So, um, but this is
Speaker 1: where vampire came in, right, Yeah, the street go, the
Speaker 1: strog oy um started to come to be called the vampire,
Speaker 1: which is again from Upier in the Russian And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the stage is set for the vampire
Speaker 1: legend to really take hold as it's taking shape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like this is where pop culture came into plague
Speaker 1: hysteria had set in, and so painters and artists and
Speaker 1: authors had this material that's pretty rich for the time.
Speaker 1: All this hysteria's gone on, so let's write a scary
Speaker 1: book about it. And that's what Bram Stoker did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was, um, he was, are you going with Brom?
Speaker 1: I go with Bram, you go, Bram? Yeah? Have you
Speaker 1: ever read it? I know, I saw the movie though
Speaker 1: it literally the movie was a pretty faithful at it
Speaker 1: with the couple of one. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: The book is great, though. I took a literature of
Speaker 1: horror class at Georgia and it was one of the
Speaker 1: cooler classes I took. I'm sure he did Dracula and
Speaker 1: Frankenstein and like the House of Usher and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of short stories. Yeah, very cool. So Bram Stoker
Speaker 1: also Abraham Stoker, which I didn't know until I read
Speaker 1: this that was his first name. Yeah, just because the
Speaker 1: class um he uh. He was a theater manager and
Speaker 1: a novelist and also a really great researcher because you know,
Speaker 1: all this stuff from this empire um um hysteria, yeah,
Speaker 1: panic from all this took place like hundreds of years
Speaker 1: before him. And I guess I don't know what inspired
Speaker 1: him exactly or where he saw it or where the
Speaker 1: where this all took place. But he didn't just go,
Speaker 1: oh that's a pretty good idea and wrote his book
Speaker 1: like he went and did some serious research. Yes, supposedly
Speaker 1: he was inspired by uh. He was a personal assistant
Speaker 1: to this actor um who ran the theater that he
Speaker 1: worked at. And supposedly Henry Irving was a guy's name
Speaker 1: was the inspiration to write the book. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if that meant he was some jerk. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna personify he was the blood sucker or what.
Speaker 1: But or maybe he just inspired him creatively. Who knows. Um,
Speaker 1: but I bet someone knows more about this and I do. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, so right in and tell me. Um and
Speaker 1: so Bram Stoker goes and he starts to do some
Speaker 1: research and pokes around, and he finds a great place
Speaker 1: to set this vampire tale is in Transylvania, which is
Speaker 1: the heart of this stroy vampire. This is where everything
Speaker 1: that we just talked about came together. Wallachia, Transylvania, Romania
Speaker 1: is what we call it today. Um and uh. And
Speaker 1: he he thought, well, this is just perfect. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: set it there and let's see if I can find
Speaker 1: somebody of that area how it can base this vampire
Speaker 1: character on. And he came up with a guy named
Speaker 1: Vladislav Bazzarreb. Yeah that's a creepy name period, yea. Um,
Speaker 1: but it would be even creepier he was the prince
Speaker 1: ruled Wallachia in the mid fourteen hundreds. Uh. Creepier is
Speaker 1: that his father was vlad Drakul, Vlad the Dragon or
Speaker 1: the devil, and um Vlad Jr. Was referred to as
Speaker 1: Vlad Dracula, which is son of Dracula, or Vlad Tepis
Speaker 1: or Lad the Impaler, because even though it's not verified,
Speaker 1: supposedly he was a very fierce warrior. He would impale
Speaker 1: his victims. Okay, I really feel like we should do
Speaker 1: um the real Count Dracula episode. Sometime I wrote this
Speaker 1: awesome article on it, and it is, it's verified. It
Speaker 1: was there a real countract. It's about blood Tepis, the
Speaker 1: vladim Paler. Yeah, because he just borrowed the name in
Speaker 1: the in the title, right, he wasn't really based on
Speaker 1: this guy who Count Dracula brom Stokers, Yes, version right.
Speaker 1: Vlat Tepis was probably far far worse than um anything
Speaker 1: bram Stoker wrote about Count Dracula, way worse. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: like it is verified. Like, yes, he had all sorts
Speaker 1: of guys who were um against him and who published
Speaker 1: extensively all these um like books and pamphlets and all
Speaker 1: the stuff to smear his name. But they got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, right, Yeah, Like he was into some
Speaker 1: horrible stuff. He killed a lot of people, Uh. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of people killed. His armies killed a
Speaker 1: lot of people. He uh, he's probably like most rulers
Speaker 1: of the day. He was he was worse. He was
Speaker 1: most likely worse than anybody else. So he borrows this
Speaker 1: name in this title and social standing is an aristocat
Speaker 1: aristocat great movie. You's a naked woman in that um
Speaker 1: in that one in the Aristocats. Yeah, the Disney cartoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one with the Is that the one with
Speaker 1: the No, I'm thinking of the rescuers. Oh, I remember
Speaker 1: that there's a naked woman the rescuers when they're flying
Speaker 1: through the city. If you watch it frame by frame,
Speaker 1: they passed by a window and there is a photograph
Speaker 1: of like a woman standing in the window naked. Um,
Speaker 1: and like you have to watch it like in in
Speaker 1: you know, frame by frame is the only possible way
Speaker 1: to see it. But it's in there. Yeah, they were dirty.
Speaker 1: There's also the little mermaid thing. The the ballast is yeah,
Speaker 1: hidden not so hidden ballast. Yeah. I'll bet that guy
Speaker 1: was like, no one's ever going to see this, and
Speaker 1: then he lost his job forever. So um So Stoker
Speaker 1: borrows this, uh the name, Like I said, the social
Speaker 1: standing says, this would be a great setting. Let's throw
Speaker 1: it in Transylvania. Let's let's change a few things. Let's
Speaker 1: borrow from a bunch of different uh folklore, and let's
Speaker 1: let's say maybe you can't go out in the sunlight,
Speaker 1: and let's bring up the crucifixes now, and let's make
Speaker 1: him really smart and um charming. And well that was
Speaker 1: largely Bella le GHOSTI that did that. Well, No, brom
Speaker 1: Stokers was totally like that. I thought his was um
Speaker 1: that he was like a withered, ugly old man, you know,
Speaker 1: but he was still had like the stuct of power
Speaker 1: and all that swave. Well because he was Yeah, he
Speaker 1: changed ages if I remember correctly, Well he does in
Speaker 1: the movie, and I've heard the movies a pretty faithful adaptation.
Speaker 1: And it was also, I think the first time where um,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they didn't have any reflection because
Speaker 1: most of the previous lest uh legends they loved their reflection. Yeah, apparently,
Speaker 1: not only were they in love with their own reflection
Speaker 1: and they could be lost for hours staring into a mirror,
Speaker 1: they were also supposedly obsessive compulsive, as some like Eastern
Speaker 1: four'klore goes. And one way to ward off vampires was
Speaker 1: to spread seeds outside of your house because the vampire
Speaker 1: would be um bound to count every single seat. And
Speaker 1: if you put a little nail or attack or something
Speaker 1: in there, when the the vampire went to pick that
Speaker 1: one up, it would prick itself and all drop all
Speaker 1: the seeds to forget where it was and start counting
Speaker 1: all over. You gotta start counting again, and then you'd
Speaker 1: just be sitting inside, laughing, drinking your ale. Stupid vampires,
Speaker 1: so um, but that was that was another difference. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry we've been calling them stupid vampires and up until
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, like you could make that case like
Speaker 1: they were kind of dead zombiesque a little bit um.
Speaker 1: It was Stoker that introduced, like you say, not not
Speaker 1: to sell this other stuff, but the acute intelligence, that's right,
Speaker 1: this this very smart like power of persuasion, almost hypnotic
Speaker 1: Umvengali type. And in True Blood they have this thing
Speaker 1: they do called glamouring, which is kind of a silly name,
Speaker 1: but it's almost like a charm, like a spell that
Speaker 1: they can put over you if you like black eyes
Speaker 1: with one and you know when you glamor them there,
Speaker 1: you know, basically in a hypnotic state, you can. They're
Speaker 1: highly suggestible, I get into a sexual way. Well, in
Speaker 1: all kinds of ways, but yeah, there's plenty of They
Speaker 1: usually are just like, take off your pants? Did they
Speaker 1: say like that point and say in a creepy tone? Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: you don't tell me you can't act. You could play
Speaker 1: the role as a vampire. Take off your pants? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the joke. Let's do some voguing. So you
Speaker 1: mentioned Bella Lego si film Dracula Um, which was you know,
Speaker 1: where we get the cape and the I want to
Speaker 1: drink your blood and the sort of familiar modern vampire
Speaker 1: that pop culturally speaking, that we're familiar with today. And
Speaker 1: one of the best songs ever bus is Bella the
Speaker 1: Ghost He's Dead. Yeah, excellent silent film Nosa Barato with
Speaker 1: Max Shrek a little more true to the original creepy
Speaker 1: looking guy. What was the movie starring Willem Dafoe and
Speaker 1: um uh oh about Yeah? Yeah, that was good. What
Speaker 1: is the name of that movie? Do you remember? I
Speaker 1: can't remember, dude. That is such a good movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see that movie again. I do too, Actually,
Speaker 1: it's a great one. The ending is just yeah, what
Speaker 1: is it? Shadow of the vampire Ry? That life correction? Uh?
Speaker 1: And Rice then came along and um yeah, nothing happened
Speaker 1: in between, but and Rice definitely brought things more into
Speaker 1: the forefront as far as um this range of emotions
Speaker 1: and he's really complex characters. Um. I didn't think the
Speaker 1: books were very good. But it's just not my bag.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I read the first one and it's just
Speaker 1: not my thing. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was not good, it's just not my thing. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, of course classic. Not
Speaker 1: a great movie, great TV series? Are you out of
Speaker 1: your mind? You didn't like the movie. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was very good. Now, oh you're crazy. I love
Speaker 1: that movie. Well that's good. Yeah. I thought it really
Speaker 1: became itself when the cast changed. And I love that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's great. Have you seen the South Park where
Speaker 1: like all the kids start becoming like vampires, all the
Speaker 1: good kids. It's like very trendy and hip to be
Speaker 1: to be like a vampire and give yourself a new
Speaker 1: name and everything. Um, and they drink clomato. Oh I
Speaker 1: love Clomato. Yeah, you're in the minority, buddy. That's the
Speaker 1: secret to my famous bloody Mary. I know you've told
Speaker 1: me it's a good South Park Chuck. I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: Um are we now? So we talk about psychic vampires
Speaker 1: a little bit. I guess all right. These are people
Speaker 1: in modern times that claim that they crave and feed
Speaker 1: on others energy, their psychic energy, and they claim to
Speaker 1: be vampire rish or vampire rick, vampire esque, vampire esque um,
Speaker 1: and that they will not if they do not do this,
Speaker 1: then they will not have feel like they have fed on,
Speaker 1: you know, sustenance like that is their sustenance is other
Speaker 1: people's psychic energy. And it also goes back. It's you know,
Speaker 1: modern people claim this, but it goes back, you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of years. Um, this phenomenon does. It's nothing new. Well,
Speaker 1: they actually think that it may have given rise to
Speaker 1: vampire lords. We understand it now. And it's also a
Speaker 1: metaphor if someone, you know, someone can call someone a
Speaker 1: psychic vampire if they're just a drain as a person,
Speaker 1: you know, those people energy vampires. That's right. Not to
Speaker 1: be confused with the other kind of energy vampire, which
Speaker 1: is like your coffee maker. Yeah, these things that are
Speaker 1: left on all night. Um. So there's there's We kind
Speaker 1: of touched on it earlier, the idea of why, um,
Speaker 1: where we would have gotten vampire legends. People use it
Speaker 1: to explain phenomenon that we didn't understand before there was
Speaker 1: such thing as like germ theory. Right. So you have
Speaker 1: like um lamas too being blamed for sids and and
Speaker 1: um ah, miscarriage is that kind of thing, right, and
Speaker 1: then you have um a couple other diseases that we've
Speaker 1: come to understand that they're like you know what, We've
Speaker 1: never really definitively linked this to vampire lore, but I'll
Speaker 1: bet you this gave rise to it. It probably didn't help.
Speaker 1: So like like, what, uh, porpyra? Do you pronounce that porphyria? Porphyria?
Speaker 1: All right, we'll go with that. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: the others? Is that what those kids had? All Right?
Speaker 1: That makes sense. It's a rare disease um irreg irregularities
Speaker 1: in the production of of him with himmy, which is
Speaker 1: an hemoglobin he like himmy, I think got a himmy.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Um. And basically, what you're gonna be sensitive
Speaker 1: to sunlight, you're gonna have a bad stomach pains, you
Speaker 1: may be delirious. Um. Back in the day, one prescription
Speaker 1: may have been to drink blood, So I would say
Speaker 1: that's probably a dead giveaway, right, Yeah, And have you
Speaker 1: seen pictures, Yeah, people stricken with us creepy looking. Their
Speaker 1: teeth can be like red or black, and their gums
Speaker 1: can be red and black, which is I think probably
Speaker 1: another reason why they link that to that. And it's hereditary,
Speaker 1: So there, you know, there were places where there was
Speaker 1: more of this um happening than other places, which would
Speaker 1: also lend itself to the whole vampire thing and feeding
Speaker 1: on your family. Yes, same with tuberculosis, Like when when
Speaker 1: people were kind of spread out except your family, and
Speaker 1: there were nineteen of you and you all lived in
Speaker 1: one house. If one of you had TB probably the
Speaker 1: rest of you were going to catch TV and a
Speaker 1: lot of you were gonna die from it. And whoever
Speaker 1: was the first one to die of this was probably
Speaker 1: the original vampire who's feeding on the other And you're
Speaker 1: probably the one who's going to be dug up and
Speaker 1: have your heart cut out and burned. But at that point,
Speaker 1: who cares? And then there's another disease called catalepsy, which
Speaker 1: is associated with epilepsy. This one is freaky. Do you
Speaker 1: ever see that Twilight Zone where Um, I can't remember
Speaker 1: what actor it was. It may have been the professor
Speaker 1: from Gilligan's Island or he's in a cart and he's
Speaker 1: paralyzed and he's the whole thing is just him talking
Speaker 1: to himself in his head like he's locking these people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to not bury him because he's not dead, and um,
Speaker 1: it's really it's a great episode. So is he cataleptic? No,
Speaker 1: he was kind of like you said, locked in Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: Catalepsy is a it's a specific neurological just order, like
Speaker 1: I said, associated with epilepsy, where your muscles just freeze
Speaker 1: up and an episode like this can last for days
Speaker 1: and your heart rate slows and your respiration slows and
Speaker 1: you're alive and God knows what your brain is doing,
Speaker 1: but you're alive during this time. But you know, prior
Speaker 1: to stay embalming, you may have just been taken for
Speaker 1: dead and putting in the ground and you had to
Speaker 1: dig your way out and go back home. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's also associated with schizophrenia, so you're sitting around the
Speaker 1: dinner table and uncle, um, uncle, what vigo? Uncle Vigo?
Speaker 1: Remember like to gamble. He comes in three days after
Speaker 1: you buried him brushing dirt office overhauls in a schizophrenic
Speaker 1: having a schizophrenic episode, and you you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: put a stake through his hard Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're smart, Which is just not fair because after an
Speaker 1: experience like that, it's like, why would you wait? Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not left kill this man before he goes to
Speaker 1: this horrificectic experience and then it all end with a
Speaker 1: stick through the heart. Let him get hit by a
Speaker 1: truck with a hemmy or something ahead of time. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I'm not so sure about this suggestion, but
Speaker 1: it might carry a little weight that what happens after
Speaker 1: a regular human body dies. Um might have fed into
Speaker 1: this a little bit, I would say. So, um, fingernails
Speaker 1: and hair um continue growing. So this is like if
Speaker 1: they diggy back up, they're like, look, the fingernails are long,
Speaker 1: the hair has grown. They're bloated because you're full of
Speaker 1: you know, gases expanding. So let's cut them open and
Speaker 1: this all this fluid drains out and say, see they've
Speaker 1: been growing their hair and fingernails and feeding on others
Speaker 1: bodily fluids. They're alive there well or undead but uh well,
Speaker 1: I mean like they're going back and resting and like
Speaker 1: they obviously have gorged themselves. Look at their stomach. It's
Speaker 1: all the stend did. Yeah. So I mean I think
Speaker 1: it was probably like the nail in the coffin on
Speaker 1: their beliefs, like this is is all absolutely correct. Yeah
Speaker 1: I could see that though. Yes, and then the notion
Speaker 1: of the vampire bat um came along later on, where
Speaker 1: the vampire could shape shift into bats and sometimes wolves,
Speaker 1: although in Twilight, wolves and vampires are on opposite sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said I would mention it again. Yeah, there I went. Um,
Speaker 1: but the whole thing of the vampire bat was just
Speaker 1: like a creepy uh you know, real vampire bats are
Speaker 1: docile creatures and they might drink like the blood of
Speaker 1: a cow, but they're not attacking people. No, that was
Speaker 1: all for there's harmless is vampire babies. You know, what
Speaker 1: are some of your favorite movies, Josh, Oh, vampire movies? No,
Speaker 1: just comedies like a DC CAM Doctor Detroit. Um, I
Speaker 1: would say probably the best of all time in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is lost boys. It definitely has a kitch value. Now
Speaker 1: that is a great movie. It doesn't hold up super well.
Speaker 1: Tho have you seen it? No, I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: in a while. And it's the ways that other eighties
Speaker 1: movies don't really because that was like a cool movie. Ye,
Speaker 1: Echo and the Bunny Man covered the doors in it.
Speaker 1: Come on shall not Ki? Yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: stream song. Near Dark. Did you ever see that one?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Nineties seven Bill Paxton and uh
Speaker 1: that one guy Lance Heinrixen. They're like these modern vampires
Speaker 1: traveling in an RV through the desert and killing people.
Speaker 1: Really good. I have not seen Near Dark is excellent.
Speaker 1: What about first bite with the George? George Hamilton's first
Speaker 1: bite was Yeah, he's like a disco Dracula. Vampire's kiss
Speaker 1: was funny. Nick Cage, I never saw that one. That
Speaker 1: was good. I thought the original Fright Night. Granted it
Speaker 1: was the eighties again, but for me it was pretty
Speaker 1: good back in the day. I haven't seen that. Um Coronos,
Speaker 1: have you seen that? Garma del Toro? I don't good one.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it, and then um of course
Speaker 1: let the right one in both versions to me very good. Really,
Speaker 1: I heard the American version was compared to the original.
Speaker 1: I thought they were both pretty great. I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: Then you know, they didn't like definitely didn't ruin it
Speaker 1: by americanizing it. And then there of course the bad
Speaker 1: ones like Van Helsing West Craven's Dracula two thousand, um
Speaker 1: Blood rain r a y any. I mean there's lots
Speaker 1: and lots of bad vampartments. Dracula dead and loving it?
Speaker 1: That looks good though. Um, do you know how many
Speaker 1: emails we're gonna get from people that would say, like
Speaker 1: you forgot about this one? Yeah? But let's just say
Speaker 1: there are hundreds of vampire movies. There's TV shows now
Speaker 1: in the Vampire Diaries, True Blood, which I mentioned, which
Speaker 1: is sort of good again after falling off the rails
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and um, Twilight Breaking Dawn part two,
Speaker 1: What is your problems in theaters near you? Oh? Actually
Speaker 1: that's seventy nine Dracula with Franklin Jella. That was good.
Speaker 1: Did he play Dracula? Yeah? He was good. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I could see him. I'm sorry I wasn't thinking of
Speaker 1: the right person. And then if you're into old movies.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't go wrong with with Bella Orghossi
Speaker 1: or uh not Sparato. Take some time watch an old movie.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. Yeah, that's that's pretty much your
Speaker 1: life coaching, I think. So take some time watch an
Speaker 1: old movie, says Chuck. Yeah, watch some of them black
Speaker 1: and white for a change. Um. Hey, also, while we're
Speaker 1: while we're on this kind of scary esque topic, you
Speaker 1: want to plug somebody real quick? Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: have another horrors as right as we said we would
Speaker 1: um plug people who send in their stuff for a
Speaker 1: horror fiction contest um and who went on to publish stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: And one of the guys, Christopher Kelly, who wrote the
Speaker 1: very cool short story Variable um, took us up on that.
Speaker 1: And he says that he has a creepy novella about
Speaker 1: two boys whose father tries to kill them, called Abraham
Speaker 1: Road not Bram Road. Uh. He says that it's, um,
Speaker 1: it's what would have happened if HP Lovecraft rewrote of
Speaker 1: Mice and Men, which is pretty awesome. It's available on Kindle.
Speaker 1: You can go find that on Amazon dot com Abraham
Speaker 1: Road ebook. Uh. And then he also has a collection
Speaker 1: called I held my breath as long as I could.
Speaker 1: Twenty three stories of the Strange the Sinister in the
Speaker 1: Literary Um and you can get that on Amazon as well,
Speaker 1: so check those out. Christopher Kelly, thanks for sending in
Speaker 1: your work. We liked it a lot. And remember, anybody
Speaker 1: else who has lisched and entered our horror fiction contest,
Speaker 1: we want to say thanks by letting everybody know about
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Speaker 1: it's been a while. Yes, um, you can type that
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Speaker 1: It will bring up a bunch of cool stuff, including, um,
Speaker 1: who was the real Count Dracula? This vampire article written
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Speaker 1: couldn't you tell? It's pretty thorough? Uh. And then also
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Speaker 1: stuff up. It's since I said search bar, it's time
Speaker 1: for listener mail. All right, Josh, we're gonna call this
Speaker 1: a trivia plug. Um. We went to New York for
Speaker 1: tomic Con and we had one of our trivia nights
Speaker 1: there and one of the things that we were required
Speaker 1: to do and want to do is read the names
Speaker 1: of the trivia winners. And so I got emails from
Speaker 1: them and then in the runner up team because they
Speaker 1: were cool and I'm gonna read them all. This is
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Speaker 1: sure how he grown was that. Thanks guys for hosting
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Speaker 1: our team, Steve Holt, had a great time. The team
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Speaker 1: Monica Lange, and Amy Guidal. We also had three teachers,
Speaker 1: Dan Farrell, Michael Rakowski and myself Kyle Janish and my
Speaker 1: twin who does social work, Mike Jannish and my friend
Speaker 1: who seems to always be working for a pyramid scheme,
Speaker 1: Mike as Sterling. So those were the winners there, and uh,
Speaker 1: he says the fashion expertise did not come in handy
Speaker 1: this time, but we were prepared for anything except for
Speaker 1: the Kevin Smith movies category, which I wasn't a fan of.
Speaker 1: They were far behind coming in the last question, but
Speaker 1: wagered it all in one. Um, it's crazy, that's how
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Speaker 1: Kyle and his brother Mike remember meeting them. There were
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