Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky
Speaker 1: and jooky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, hel, I'm ghosted. I gos Nandas Please
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome to Ghosted by
Speaker 1: Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
Speaker 1: I like about the paranormal. My guests today, ooh babe.
Speaker 1: These people are a real life married couple, Greg and
Speaker 1: Dana Newkirk. Now, in my personal opinion, they are the
Speaker 1: best in the beds. I look up to these people
Speaker 1: very much. They are paranormal investigators and they get weird
Speaker 1: with it. They don't just stick to ghosts, honey, They're
Speaker 1: talking any kind of weird, unexplainable thing. They have their
Speaker 1: own haunted museum. It is called the Traveling Museum of
Speaker 1: the World Famous Paranormal and Occult.
Speaker 2: You gotta check out everything that they do.
Speaker 1: They have a show called Hellier where they're looking for
Speaker 1: goblins and shit. Now, I will say, because I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm going to start getting emails of people either pitching
Speaker 1: themselves or giving me recommendations for different paranormal people to
Speaker 1: come on the show. I'm just gonna say I have
Speaker 1: really been enjoying the way the podcast has been going
Speaker 1: the past year or two, where I'm having mainly comedians on,
Speaker 1: and I think occasionally, and I'm talking like once a year,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll have on a ghost hunter type or a psychic.
Speaker 1: I so appreciate people's interest in having different guests on
Speaker 1: the show. I get lots and lots of emails out
Speaker 1: you should have this healer on the show, or this
Speaker 1: tarot reader, this ghost hunting group, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I just like laughing a lot. And I've
Speaker 1: been having so much fun making this stuff silly with
Speaker 1: truly some of the funniest people on Earth working in
Speaker 1: the biz of comedy. So this time I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: on some of my favorite ghost hunters, and they're always
Speaker 1: welcome back, honestly because the perspective that these two bring
Speaker 1: and the way that they handle it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just everything about it. I just I'm huge, huge
Speaker 1: fans of the New Kirks. Before we get to them,
Speaker 1: let me read you a story.
Speaker 2: Oh, this one right here.
Speaker 1: This comes from Claire, who writes Dear Roz. Several years ago,
Speaker 1: I was visiting my boyfriend in Rio de Janeiro Claire.
Speaker 1: That is a brag right there. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: got hot Brazilian boyfriend. We decided to get out of
Speaker 1: the city and take an overnight trip to a town
Speaker 1: in the mountains called Petropolis. Petropolis looked more like something
Speaker 1: out of the Austrian Mountains versus anything you would expect
Speaker 1: to find in Brazil. We thought it would be a
Speaker 1: hoot to stay in the hotel that replicated a European castle.
Speaker 1: It was built in the nineteen twenties and the owner
Speaker 1: had everything imported from Europe to make it as authentic
Speaker 1: as possible. It seems, however, he also imported some ghosts.
Speaker 1: We arrived at our room, which was decorated with tapestry
Speaker 1: and two creepy, albeit cheesy portraits of a medieval man
Speaker 1: with the name Rafaelo. It was inscribed across the bottom.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend, Yeah, tell us more about him. My boyfriend,
Speaker 1: a photographer, started taking pictures of the room and then
Speaker 1: left to take some of the premises. I was tired
Speaker 1: and decided to stay in the room. When he returned,
Speaker 1: he told me he had experienced some odd things, strange noises,
Speaker 1: cold spots, and even what seemed to be a phantom
Speaker 1: dog that just disappeared around a corner. While strange and
Speaker 1: somewhat spooky, we didn't think too much of the happenings
Speaker 1: and went to bed. When we turned out the lights,
Speaker 1: we noticed a projection of the letter C on the wall.
Speaker 1: It's important to note that my first and last initial
Speaker 1: is S. We could not figure out where this light
Speaker 1: would be coming from. We were far off the main
Speaker 1: road and could not see any lights coming in from
Speaker 1: the outside, and there was nothing in the room that
Speaker 1: would have made this projection. After a thorough investigation, we
Speaker 1: decided to sleep. The next morning, my boyfriend took some
Speaker 1: more photos. Yes, definitely went overkill for a hotel room,
Speaker 1: and then we went to breakfast downstairs. When we came
Speaker 1: back to the room, I noticed that the Rafaelo portraits
Speaker 1: had been switched. My boyfriend argued that I was just
Speaker 1: remembering incorrectly, but I insisted I was right. Luckily we
Speaker 1: had photographic evidence. We compared the photos from the night
Speaker 1: before to those in the morning, and sure enough, the
Speaker 1: paintings had been swapped. Since I was in the room
Speaker 1: the entire time between the two photo sessions, there was
Speaker 1: no way someone came in and moved them. That was
Speaker 1: the final piece to convince us this place was haunted.
Speaker 1: When we checked out, we asked the clerk about the
Speaker 1: projection and mentioned the other happenings. He just shrugged it
Speaker 1: off and said, weird shit happens around here all the time.
Speaker 1: Now anytime something strange happens, I now ask.
Speaker 2: RAFAELO, is that you love the show? See Claire Woo.
Speaker 1: That is so weird moving paintings and shit, these ghosts.
Speaker 1: I love hearing stories like this. I'm hearing all kinds
Speaker 1: of things that ghosts can do. And hey, people keep
Speaker 1: sending in these stories. I love them so much. Just
Speaker 1: send them to my email ghosted by ras at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. Write them out, don't write too long, you
Speaker 1: know how it works. Also, we're gonna be doing a
Speaker 1: listener episode again soon, so for that you can also
Speaker 1: email me ghosted by ras at gmail dot com and
Speaker 1: put in the subject line listener episode. And for this,
Speaker 1: if it's not something you want me to read, it's
Speaker 1: something you want, you know, to come on the show
Speaker 1: in a listener episode and talk to me about. Please
Speaker 1: just write small bullet points. And when I say bullet points,
Speaker 1: I mean like one sentence like, give me an idea.
Speaker 1: My house was haunted. I saw this, I saw that.
Speaker 2: You know that kind of a thing. I don't need if.
Speaker 1: It's a full long backstory, honey, I I don't got time.
Speaker 2: Let's talk to Greg and data and with the show.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 1: A haunted object has appeared in my zoom feed and
Speaker 1: inside the contents are Greg and Tana new Kirk.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm obsessed with you guys. I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: you're back.
Speaker 4: Same, we're obsessed with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you guys to just adopt me.
Speaker 4: And immediately, immediately you can come and live with all
Speaker 4: the creepy haunted things.
Speaker 3: We'll drop the paperwork. We do. We have cats.
Speaker 4: I'm also Canadians, so you can become Canadian if you want.
Speaker 4: It's a package deal. We've got a good escape plan.
Speaker 3: Really selling you on the purpose.
Speaker 1: Well, how are you guys? We're ti, Well, you're gonna
Speaker 1: stop busy. Why are you so tired now? You're a
Speaker 1: bigfoot hunting or what? Uh?
Speaker 3: No, we we've been doing meetings. We've got so many projects,
Speaker 3: secret projects working on and there you know, we just
Speaker 3: got off of a two months long tour speaking tour.
Speaker 3: We're planning a new one for this fall that's going
Speaker 3: to be even bigger. We just don't know how to stop.
Speaker 4: We're bad at that. I think if we stopped, we
Speaker 4: probably would die.
Speaker 1: That's probably well, that's what I love about you guys.
Speaker 1: You're always coming up with something new. You're always figuring
Speaker 1: out ways to make this stuff fresh and weirder and
Speaker 1: more interesting. And also the taste, there's always such good taste.
Speaker 4: Oh my, you that's like the nicest thing.
Speaker 3: I think you're the first person to say this first.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: That's really important though, So thank you.
Speaker 1: You guys make this stuff cool.
Speaker 4: It takes one to know one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I brought one of my coolest friends to come
Speaker 1: see you guys.
Speaker 4: It's the best.
Speaker 1: When we went to a screening of the unb your
Speaker 1: documentary and this friend not in the paranormal world, real cool,
Speaker 1: you know, just Hollywood kind of guy, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: he was like, these people are the coolest people ever.
Speaker 1: This documentary was legit really good, it was shot really cool.
Speaker 1: Both of us were like, yeah, I know, like even
Speaker 1: like the theater that they choose to do this is
Speaker 1: like cool, Like it's all a vibe and it's it's great, man.
Speaker 3: That means so much. We try really hard to you
Speaker 3: know that. Listen, we don't have to tell you. The
Speaker 3: paranormal isn't always the most artful place. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think that it's important. I think that, you know, beauty
Speaker 3: and art are really important when we're talking about things
Speaker 3: that affect people's spirituality. You know, we want to make
Speaker 3: things that affect people and they have conversations about this
Speaker 3: stuff and maybe think about it in different ways. And
Speaker 3: one of the ways that we can do that is
Speaker 3: to make things that aren't traditionally terrible artful or beautiful,
Speaker 3: you know, just kind of like crank that knob to
Speaker 3: eleven if we can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost as if the tone was set at
Speaker 4: a certain point, like in the early two thousands, in
Speaker 4: terms of the aesthetic and the effort total. And it's
Speaker 4: like we're talking about the most important mystical secrets in
Speaker 4: the world and approaching it in like an artful, beautiful way.
Speaker 4: It just feels like it would make sense to me.
Speaker 4: So that really does mean a lot.
Speaker 3: And we should shout out our director Carl Pfeiffer, who's
Speaker 3: a really big part of making that vision of reality
Speaker 3: he has such a wonderful eye for making U creepy
Speaker 3: things beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's like you draw people and
Speaker 1: that's how I always feel. I'm like jaw Man with
Speaker 1: something fun and flashy, and then maybe they'll start listening
Speaker 1: to more once you got their attention. I do think
Speaker 1: that a lot of paranormal like it becomes entertainment at
Speaker 1: a certain point, you know as well. And that's where
Speaker 1: I understand why everything being like spooky with like filters
Speaker 1: over it and like so like I don't know, just
Speaker 1: like cut to these random things of like a bloody
Speaker 1: doll and like, I don't know, there's I understand it.
Speaker 1: But it's nice to give like another vibe sometimes too.
Speaker 3: It doesn't always have to look like a Marilyn Manson video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it's like very nine inch Nails late nineties
Speaker 1: or like there's there's a lot of that feel, which
Speaker 1: is lovely. But like even your podcast and stuff you
Speaker 1: guys have like Pheromone, you know kind of music, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I just love spooky.
Speaker 2: That's like my thing is I like that spooky vibe
Speaker 2: but while still being fun and funny, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's you know, there's it's like a classic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a pair of jeans, like a good
Speaker 4: pair of jeans, or like a perfect jean jacket. It's
Speaker 4: just it never goes out of style because it's just classic.
Speaker 4: We grew up fun, He's classic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we grew up on like art Bell, Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast amy and like scarious places, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: always an element of the kind of like campy spookiness
Speaker 3: to the stuff that we do. And you know, we
Speaker 3: try to surprise people as much as we can. That
Speaker 3: doesn't always work, but some people completely reject the message.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's fine too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing like the art Bell world.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that feeling of like like even me,
Speaker 1: I like to feel like I'm sort of like a
Speaker 1: radio host and I'm like just talking to these like
Speaker 1: random people that they're telling me their spooky stories. And
Speaker 1: you guys deal with so many people sending you things,
Speaker 1: and like, I can't imagine what your inboxes look like constantly,
Speaker 1: like the little bits I hear about just all kinds
Speaker 1: of people, all kinds of things. I mean, is there
Speaker 1: any recent notable things that people have reached out to
Speaker 1: you guys?
Speaker 4: About there's all there's so always, so many.
Speaker 3: There was one not too long ago where a guy
Speaker 3: sent us a polaroid. Yes, and it was of a
Speaker 3: full body. I mean, I hesitate to call it a
Speaker 3: sex doll, but I can't imagine what else it was for. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and told us that it's extremely haunted and he would
Speaker 3: loan it to the museum for a while if we
Speaker 3: wanted to study it. We yeah, very politely declined.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is with the haunted sex doll thing?
Speaker 4: I mean, you can I always think of it in
Speaker 4: terms of like sex magic, where it's like there's an
Speaker 4: act that happens, energy is raised and released, and so
Speaker 4: it kind of makes sense that there might be like
Speaker 4: general weirdness around like sex toys or sex dolls, like
Speaker 4: just in general. I would love to do like a
Speaker 4: study based on, you know, like it, just just to
Speaker 4: see if there's like general weirdness around it.
Speaker 3: We got a butt plug in the mail. We did,
Speaker 3: we got we got a haunted butt plug.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, toys, we definitely did.
Speaker 1: What's the story of the haunted butt plug?
Speaker 3: There wasn't a story. It has a sigil on Yeah,
Speaker 3: it has a magic sigil that was drawn on it
Speaker 3: and it was sent to us maybe for.
Speaker 4: Use use, maybe magical use.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It glows in the dark, it does blow in the dark,
Speaker 3: and it looks like a UFO. Yes, it's shaped like
Speaker 3: a flying saucer.
Speaker 1: But it's not hot.
Speaker 2: It is haunted.
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be haunted. Yeah, yeah, I think somebody
Speaker 3: sent it to us as like a good luck charm.
Speaker 1: Well that's sweet.
Speaker 3: You know, it's nice because normally people only send us
Speaker 3: stuff that they have terrible, uh like terrible attachments to,
Speaker 3: whether like mental or physical. People don't send you, you know,
Speaker 3: the heirlooms that remind them of their grandma's. It's very
Speaker 3: rare send you the things that are terrifying them.
Speaker 1: This was my grandmother's, but plug.
Speaker 3: I would love maybe it was Yeah, pretty cool grandma,
Speaker 3: because that think glows, it clows in the dark, looks
Speaker 3: like a UFO.
Speaker 4: It's pretty.
Speaker 3: It's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I was so like, first of all, I love your
Speaker 1: podcast Hot Objects, like thank you list every episode, and
Speaker 1: then I want to say it, what was your season finale?
Speaker 1: Last year? You did this one about UFO.
Speaker 3: Glenn Campbell, the guy who put Area fifty one on
Speaker 3: the map you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in this episode you're talking about how you
Speaker 1: have so much information and files and chunks of UFOs
Speaker 1: or I don't know what you're talking about, but you
Speaker 1: got stuff that you have to keep off property locked up.
Speaker 1: People try to steal it from you. Yeah, talk to
Speaker 1: me about this.
Speaker 4: It's like a real life X Files episode that we
Speaker 4: are living because of this. Greg bought last year. He
Speaker 4: came into like a huge collection of research material that
Speaker 4: had belonged to a man named Glenn Campbell, who is
Speaker 4: essentially the investigator, like you said, who put area fifty
Speaker 4: one on the map. So he was the guy who
Speaker 4: was there every day looking for the best like vantage
Speaker 4: points to see in and he basically dedicated his entire
Speaker 4: life to investigating Area fifty one and really made in
Speaker 4: a thing. And he had his life's work of research
Speaker 4: just sitting there, and we immediately one of the things
Speaker 4: that we always think about is that John Keel, famed
Speaker 4: High Strangeness Investigator, all of his research went into a
Speaker 4: dumpster like they threw it out. They didn't know what
Speaker 4: they had, so it was lost forever. And so one
Speaker 4: of the things that the museum has really been focused
Speaker 4: on over the past couple of years is trying to
Speaker 4: curate as many, you know, massive pieces of research from
Speaker 4: investigators that have been doing it for a long time
Speaker 4: so that we have access to it and we can
Speaker 4: share it with other people. And so Glenn's was this
Speaker 4: huge lot that Greg was able to acquire, and so
Speaker 4: it took us forever to sort of even make our
Speaker 4: way through the material because there was so much of it.
Speaker 1: How do you just get your hands on something like that?
Speaker 3: Though, basically we have a very broad definition when it
Speaker 3: comes to a haunted object. So you'll know if you
Speaker 3: listen to the podcast, like we talk about stuff that's
Speaker 3: not you know, they're not necessarily haunted objects, but they
Speaker 3: have stories attached to them, and the story are what
Speaker 3: make them haunted. And it's been a big deal for
Speaker 3: us to try and track down and save items that
Speaker 3: most other people might not have any they might have
Speaker 3: any interest in. So you know, we've got There's a
Speaker 3: guy by the name of Roy P. Mackele who was
Speaker 3: one of the first hardcore Lockness Monster researchers. He searched
Speaker 3: for the Michelly and Bembi in the Congo. We have
Speaker 3: a bunch of his research and The way that a
Speaker 3: lot of that comes to us is because we're pretty
Speaker 3: straight up about it, Like we pay finders fees to
Speaker 3: people if they can find stuff that they think deserves
Speaker 3: to be in the museum, stuff that deserves to be protected.
Speaker 3: The goal is to have a brick and mortar research
Speaker 3: center so that other people like us can come and
Speaker 3: go through this stuff and learn things that they normally
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to do so. Collecting historically significant things
Speaker 3: from every aspect of the paranormal, whether it's cryptozoology, ufology,
Speaker 3: psychic sciences, witchcraft and magic. It's not just you know,
Speaker 3: people's wigi boards. There's a lot more than that.
Speaker 1: So in this collection, this Glenn Campbell collection, what is
Speaker 1: it that everyone's after? What is the stuff that you got.
Speaker 3: To keep locked up?
Speaker 4: I MEI, there's so much.
Speaker 3: One of the things that we noticed as we were
Speaker 3: going through the material and there were just tons of
Speaker 3: tubs of material, big plastic tubs that were full of
Speaker 3: even like dead stock t shirts from the store that
Speaker 3: he ran all of his research materials. There's videos of
Speaker 3: surveillance of the base that are just hours of footage
Speaker 3: of surveillance. There was one package in there that just had.
Speaker 3: It was a Manila envelope and it just said UFO
Speaker 3: parts on it, and I went, no frickin' way. And
Speaker 3: I opened this thing up and there's an assortment of
Speaker 3: different metal materials. One of them has an actual stamp
Speaker 3: on it that says, you know, actual UFO piece. I
Speaker 3: can't tell if he was joking or not with that.
Speaker 3: He had kind of a sense of humor. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: there were some other pieces in there that were unlike
Speaker 3: metal I've ever seen before. It felt like it felt
Speaker 3: like it's magnetic, but it felt like glass, and it
Speaker 3: looks very organic, and I don't it's black too. I've
Speaker 3: never seen anything like it. Magnets are a little weird
Speaker 3: around these pieces too, So I don't know. We've had
Speaker 3: so many people who have tried to get us to
Speaker 3: let them study them. I'm afraid I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get them back. Yeah, there have been people involved in
Speaker 3: very large ways in the current UFO investigation climate, like
Speaker 3: way up the chain, who have offered to have them research.
Speaker 3: But I know that when people give that stuff up,
Speaker 3: particularly to people who are involved in the government, they
Speaker 3: don't get that stuff back. So we've been storing him
Speaker 3: off site and just kind of waiting for the right
Speaker 3: person and we just I don't think we've met them yet.
Speaker 4: And at one point, like some of the material was
Speaker 4: stored in it was like a they was stored somewhere
Speaker 4: else and the person who was storing.
Speaker 3: It for us had it forgot about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to tell a full story of that.
Speaker 1: Oh, tell us, tell us.
Speaker 3: When we went to go pick up the stuff out
Speaker 3: of the storage unit, a friend of mine who was
Speaker 3: very graciously storing the stuff in his unit for us,
Speaker 3: he went and picked the stuff up because it was
Speaker 3: way out in California.
Speaker 4: Just to give you an idea, it is like massive,
Speaker 4: huge tupperware containers and there's just tons of them. So
Speaker 4: it's a huge collection.
Speaker 3: Notes, cassette tape recordings, VHS photos, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: The day before we were to show up and get
Speaker 3: that stuff, he went to go check on it, make
Speaker 3: sure everything looked okay. Someone had tried to break the
Speaker 3: lock on the door. And then he finds that his
Speaker 3: truck has been broken into and the only thing that
Speaker 3: they took was the actual key for the storage unit.
Speaker 4: And I think he had had the storage unit for
Speaker 4: a while. It wasn't just sort of like a brand
Speaker 4: new thing like he had had it for a while,
Speaker 4: and the timing of that was very very interesting.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think that that was men in black?
Speaker 3: Maybe? I mean, it seems very odd that the one
Speaker 3: thing they would want to take is the storage unit
Speaker 3: key that was only holding our UFO stuff. But little
Speaker 3: did they know. As soon as I knew that those
Speaker 3: UFO parts were like in that stuff, I had them
Speaker 3: set aside. Yes, yes, so maybe they were looking for
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's entirely possible, but it's strange coincidence.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of hours of recordings of stuff that we haven't
Speaker 3: had time to go through yet.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that make you terrified?
Speaker 3: Terrified all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We always say that it's people that are the scariest
Speaker 4: part of the paranormal. It's not it's the other stuff's fine.
Speaker 4: It's mostly just the people that you.
Speaker 5: Have to be ghosts, demonsos.
Speaker 3: I don't care about that. It's the guy who maybe
Speaker 3: takes it a little too seriously that scares me more.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Your documentary is focused around your investigation of actually the
Speaker 1: story that you told last time you were on this
Speaker 1: podcast that people love so much and they talk about
Speaker 1: it all the time, this haunted object that you had
Speaker 1: so scary. You guys were just living with this thing
Speaker 1: in your house. I don't know how you can deal
Speaker 1: with that. And then UFO people trying to break in, like.
Speaker 3: Ro's variety is despite their life.
Speaker 4: I think we maybe just are permanently functioning in a
Speaker 4: state of anxiety at this point.
Speaker 3: We've just learned to adapt to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean we get you know, we get lots of horrible,
Speaker 4: scary emails and all that kind of stuff. I think
Speaker 4: I almost feel like we've dissociated a bit and we're
Speaker 4: just sort of like doing what we need to do.
Speaker 3: It kind of feels like that a little. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know, we just it's just this way.
Speaker 3: I guess there's nothing we can do about it. Our
Speaker 3: interests have led us into scary places, to rub shoulders
Speaker 3: with scary people sometimes, and it's just part of the gig.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like now at this point, like
Speaker 1: when someone's like, oh, there's like a ghost in my house,
Speaker 1: You're like, Eh, that's we want the tougher stuff. We
Speaker 1: need some stronger shit.
Speaker 3: No, No, I think We're always you know, we always
Speaker 3: want to help people if they're looking for help. We
Speaker 3: don't really do house calls. We don't do things like
Speaker 3: that because you know, we're not therapists. And a lot
Speaker 3: of the times, I think people misunderstand us. When someone
Speaker 3: comes to us and says, hey, you know, I've got
Speaker 3: a ghost in my house. What do I do? You know,
Speaker 3: one of our first things is like, have you talked
Speaker 3: to it? Try talking to it? Like, no, I would
Speaker 3: never do that. I would never do that. We're fine
Speaker 3: to give people all the things that we've learned over
Speaker 3: like thirty years of doing this, but we don't really
Speaker 3: do house calls. I think ghosts are interesting, but my
Speaker 3: views on them are so much different than they used
Speaker 3: to be twenty years ago. And I always kind of
Speaker 3: go to the psychology of it. And I'm a very
Speaker 3: big fan of a guy by the name of Michael Persinger.
Speaker 3: He was a doctor who died several years ago, but
Speaker 3: he's the guy who invented the god helmet. And his
Speaker 3: whole thing is that we're all connected, and we're all
Speaker 3: connected by the Earth's magnetic field, just the same way
Speaker 3: the animals are. And if that's true, you know he's
Speaker 3: run calculations. It would take seven minutes to send a
Speaker 3: thought up and have it downloaded somewhere else. And so
Speaker 3: when I think of things like ghosts, the thing people
Speaker 3: always say about them is they're here because they have
Speaker 3: unfinished business. But I believe personally that they're here because
Speaker 3: we have unfinished business. We haven't had time to grief,
Speaker 3: and so maybe we're the ones calling Grandma down so
Speaker 3: that we can say goodbye and we can get over
Speaker 3: this thing. I think, you know a lot of hauntings
Speaker 3: are triggered by grief, and they're triggered by trauma. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you know how to deal with that stuff and
Speaker 3: maybe lead other people through that stuff like a good psychologist,
Speaker 3: I mean they are called parapsychologists for a reason. I
Speaker 3: think that you can find a lot of peace and
Speaker 3: you won't be tormented by these things so much anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's an interesting way to think about
Speaker 4: how the experience makes you feel. And I think that's
Speaker 4: the thing that we forget to do a lot when
Speaker 4: it comes to the paranormal, is like to kind of
Speaker 4: check in with ourselves and go like, oh man, how
Speaker 4: does this make me feel? And I think that in
Speaker 4: the case of hauntings, it's this really beautiful opportunity to
Speaker 4: sort of reflect on what you've experienced and see how
Speaker 4: it relates to you as a person, and if it
Speaker 4: is something that can help you through grief or through trauma,
Speaker 4: or through any of the things that are often associated
Speaker 4: with the myths and stories of ghosts. It's just this
Speaker 4: really cool, beautiful opportunity. So I love hearing ghost stories.
Speaker 4: They're one of my favorite things ever, because, in a
Speaker 4: weird way, it's sort of like letting someone see your
Speaker 4: tarot card reading or letting someone interpret a dream for you.
Speaker 4: There's a sort of deeply personal element often involved in
Speaker 4: the experience of seeing something like that. So it's always really,
Speaker 4: really a cool thing. So I'm a big fan of
Speaker 4: ghost stories. I love collecting the ghost stories as much
Speaker 4: as we can.
Speaker 3: Ghost stories will never go. Yeah, we just have other
Speaker 3: interests too, Fran gentlemen and I think the other thing
Speaker 3: we've found is the more that you explore other things,
Speaker 3: the more that you explore things like psychic sciences and
Speaker 3: you know, even cryptozoology or upology, you find that there's
Speaker 3: so much crossover between what people are experiencing in these
Speaker 3: different genres and they're not talking to each other enough
Speaker 3: to know that. And I think if more of these
Speaker 3: people were multidisciplinary, we'd find that a lot of this
Speaker 3: stuff involves us in a very intrinsic way that is
Speaker 3: very interesting, and you can learn to maybe define it
Speaker 3: and decipher it and affect it in really interesting ways
Speaker 3: if you know how.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is like a ridiculous question, but.
Speaker 1: Welcome to me. Is there like a theory or something
Speaker 1: that you have tested enough times that you're like, I
Speaker 1: always get the same result. And I think that this
Speaker 1: is true when it comes to the paranormal, Like, is
Speaker 1: there anything that you're super convinced on at this point?
Speaker 3: I think right off the bat, is you get what
Speaker 3: you give the location?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: So I think if you come in you know the
Speaker 3: type black T shirts, want to fight the those, you
Speaker 3: know the type, you're gonna get that kind of experience. Yes,
Speaker 3: If you go in with a very love and light vibe,
Speaker 3: we're gonna send you to the light, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: that kind of experience. If you go in want to
Speaker 3: have fun and you just see what happens, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get probably a weirder experience. That's at least in my experience,
Speaker 3: that's been the case almost all the time. And there's
Speaker 3: certain people you can have in the group that can
Speaker 3: throw stuff off. We've all been in I don't know
Speaker 3: Ouiji board sessions where there's a skeptic and then they
Speaker 3: won't work. I think that there's certain people who've already
Speaker 3: decided what they're going to experience. Other people have maybe
Speaker 3: unknowingly decided what they're going to experience. It's why it's
Speaker 3: important for us whenever we do a ghost hunt or
Speaker 3: we lead a ghost hunt, we set our intentions the
Speaker 3: first thing, what kind of experience do we want to have?
Speaker 3: And we all meditate on that idea, and then we
Speaker 3: do a little guided meditation and boom, we have that experien.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're one hundred percent right. I think
Speaker 4: that whatever intention you bring into the experiences will sort
Speaker 4: of dictate what you're going to experience. And so I
Speaker 4: think that's it's it's what you're bringing into the investigation.
Speaker 4: Often you'll see it mirrored in some of the activity.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, if you're going in super aggressive and
Speaker 4: you want to fight demons and have that kind of
Speaker 4: an experience, often you know those are the people who
Speaker 4: will leave with scratches and all sorts of negative experiences.
Speaker 4: And it's sort of in a lot of ways, it's
Speaker 4: because they're sort of bringing that energy into the environment.
Speaker 1: I think that's true with like living situations to like
Speaker 1: anything like just go into someone's house and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, who's the bitch that runs this place?
Speaker 4: Like exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a little bit like that, but
Speaker 1: I think I'm more like miss Piggy about it, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm the diva and who else is the
Speaker 1: Diva's here?
Speaker 3: You know what kind of attention you deserve? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Going back to your podcast, you are doing
Speaker 1: another season, right.
Speaker 3: We're working on it right now. Yeah, it'll be out
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Okay, obviously everyone's gonna listen. But like, what are some
Speaker 1: things we can look forward to? Like what are some
Speaker 1: other objects?
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't spoil the objects, but I can give
Speaker 3: you a sea genre he is of what there are?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, whatever you're willing to give me.
Speaker 3: We're going to be talking about pyramid power. We're going
Speaker 3: to have some discussions about the alleged power of pyramid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to get like into that seventies spiritual era,
Speaker 4: like lots of cocaine and chest hair, that kind of
Speaker 4: like era, which I love.
Speaker 2: I love that era.
Speaker 3: There's going to be more of a focus on some
Speaker 3: cryptozoological stuff. We have more bits.
Speaker 4: We have lots of bits, and this season, yeah, with
Speaker 4: Connor is our producer, our producer, Connor Randall. He's wonderful
Speaker 4: and he's he has like the oldest child syndrome, so
Speaker 4: he's very good at like bossing everybody around, but in
Speaker 4: the loveliest way possible, and he's very He brought out
Speaker 4: this side of us that we didn't think would make
Speaker 4: it into the podcast. But he's very much about like
Speaker 4: creating bits and like just little scenarios. So there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a lot of those types of things which are fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people are going to It's basically what
Speaker 3: the first season was, but now we're committed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The first season was a test can we actually do this?
Speaker 3: Will people actually listen? And we had such a good
Speaker 3: time that it was it was just kind of a
Speaker 3: no brainer to do it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The first season, we were really specific about how we
Speaker 4: picked objects and we wanted everything to kind of feel
Speaker 4: very much like you wouldn't really be able to sort
Speaker 4: of guess from week to week, but it would have
Speaker 4: a vibe. And so we're kind of trying to do
Speaker 4: the same thing. It might not necessarily be what you're expecting.
Speaker 1: What about the butt plug? Will that be getting an episode?
Speaker 3: You know? It's funny. I actually I had a photo
Speaker 3: of it when we did the live tour last year.
Speaker 3: I had a photo of it in a selection of
Speaker 3: the weirdest things people have ever sent us. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Connor pulled it out. Don't put this one in there.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be families there we have.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that. That's what he takes out
Speaker 4: of a list of like a box of human hair,
Speaker 4: uh bo bob, like a brigade. Yeah, And like we
Speaker 4: we didn't know what it was, like, it's literally a grenade.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. It's terrify.
Speaker 3: It's a mortar shell. Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And somebody came up to us after like the first
Speaker 4: or second stop on our tour and they were like,
Speaker 4: it's fine, just don't drop it.
Speaker 1: And we were like, oh my god, how can you
Speaker 1: even send that?
Speaker 3: They sent it through the mail for mail.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Ros. Do you want to hear a story we don't
Speaker 3: tell very often.
Speaker 1: Yes, what kind of question of that?
Speaker 3: Speaking of weird things people sent us through the mail,
Speaker 3: this is one of the weirdest. Couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: somebody sent us a jade mask from Latin America and
Speaker 3: said that their father was like a grave robber who
Speaker 3: stole this thing and ever since has had runs of
Speaker 3: bad luck, including like having his like health problems, particularly
Speaker 3: with his feet. We found out later that's something that
Speaker 3: this particular like like meso American god was known for performing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: was like having problems with your feet. And they sent
Speaker 3: this to us. I mean, I can't even imagine what
Speaker 3: this must have cost. It's the value of this thing was.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's genuinely heart palpitations and I when we
Speaker 3: opened it up out of the package, it was just
Speaker 3: shipped in like a flat rate box.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was authentic.
Speaker 3: The first thing we did was like, Okay, where are
Speaker 3: the repatriation. Yeah, we were like, we should like Smithsonian's
Speaker 3: like repatriation. You know, this doesn't belong in a museum
Speaker 3: like ours.
Speaker 4: It should go back to its place of origin. And
Speaker 4: considering it was taken illegally out of a temple or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's a story anyway, allegedly, And you never
Speaker 3: know when people send you stuff, you never know how
Speaker 3: much of the story's true. But this person ended up
Speaker 3: freaking out because their dad found out that they had
Speaker 3: taken it. I thought this thing was all above board
Speaker 3: and we had to send it back. We at least
Speaker 3: put insurance on it. What sets it back, But they
Speaker 3: didn't send it to us, and I just went, listen,
Speaker 3: this is your problem. We already promised this thing we
Speaker 3: were going to help, like we were in the process.
Speaker 4: We had like lists of places we were contacting, like
Speaker 4: you said, to make sure it gets back to its
Speaker 4: place of origin. And it just it was a very stressful,
Speaker 4: weird experience.
Speaker 3: That's stuff people sent us. People send it once time
Speaker 3: we got a mask covered in human poop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 3: That was a fun one. Just had a note that
Speaker 3: said I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Okay now. When I sent that, I meant it in
Speaker 1: a very flattering way. I as a fan of your work.
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a piece of me.
Speaker 3: I love it. I did order a polaroid from you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tag it up in the studio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm honored.
Speaker 1: So back to this jade mask and the curse of
Speaker 1: it all. Yet, I know you guys have spoken about this.
Speaker 1: Let's hear your thoughts on this stuff. The curses you
Speaker 1: guys have kind of become curse people. You talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff you're on unexplained. I remember, Oh God, we
Speaker 1: should talk about that. Let's talk about it, curses.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I think that people associate us with haunted objects,
Speaker 3: so they associate us with curses and cursed objects. And
Speaker 3: Dana's a witch, so people who ask her about curses.
Speaker 4: And people send us a lot of objects that they
Speaker 4: believe are cursed. We have books and statues and jewelry
Speaker 4: and phones. We have a lot of bones.
Speaker 3: You know. We get a lot of stuff in the
Speaker 3: post office box, and we requested now they write whether
Speaker 3: it's a haunted thing or not a haunted thing, because
Speaker 3: sometimes people just send us gifts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one time we were in the car and Dana
Speaker 3: rips this bag open after we'd gone to the post
Speaker 3: office box and there's this beautiful ring inside.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh my god, send me a ring. It's
Speaker 4: my size. They even got my size. This is so nice.
Speaker 4: And I put it on my finger and there was
Speaker 4: a little tag hanging from the bottom of it, and
Speaker 4: I flipped it over and it said, if you put
Speaker 4: this ring on, you'll be dead in thirty days. Things
Speaker 4: on my hands.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I started a timer.
Speaker 4: Immediately, start a timer, count down thirty days to live.
Speaker 4: I survived.
Speaker 1: We think, yeah, it's like the movie The Ring, but ring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a literally ring. Yeah, but yeah, we get a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff like that. We get a lot of
Speaker 4: cursed objects.
Speaker 3: I think that your participation in the curse is necessary
Speaker 3: for it to work. You have to believe that you
Speaker 3: are cursed. You have to believe that you deserve that curse.
Speaker 3: I think the best way to break a curse is
Speaker 3: to just ignore it anything, laugh at it. Laughter's the
Speaker 3: best exorcism, right, Yes, So if we can joke about
Speaker 3: the cursed ring, there's no reason to believe that you
Speaker 3: actually have a curse on you unless you participate in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the dangerous party.
Speaker 4: I think that's exactly it. The more energy and power
Speaker 4: you give to it, the more it has the ability
Speaker 4: to affect you on an unconscious and conscious level. I
Speaker 4: think laughter kind of a lightheartedness about it and approaching it,
Speaker 4: not necessarily from a skeptical standpoint, but just with the
Speaker 4: understanding that we really do kind of set the tone
Speaker 4: for those types of kind of currents of energy, and
Speaker 4: so the more we feed into it, the more we
Speaker 4: get scared of it, the more energy we're giving it,
Speaker 4: the more it kind of has the ability to affect us.
Speaker 4: So kind of deviating from it, laughing about it, finding
Speaker 4: a way to be almost silly about it is a
Speaker 4: really good way of sort of starting to remove any
Speaker 4: of that energy that might be kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: hanging around.
Speaker 3: And from a skeptical perspective, we know the placebo effect
Speaker 3: is real. Yeah, So whether you're whether you're a believer
Speaker 3: or you're a skeptic, we can all see scientifically the
Speaker 3: placebo effect is real. If you believe something works, it
Speaker 3: will work for you. It's why we're so careful about
Speaker 3: the kinds of stories that we tell, how we tell
Speaker 3: these stories. There's stuff that we get that is allegedly
Speaker 3: cursed and you can feel the bad vibes radiating off
Speaker 3: of it. You know. There have been things that we've
Speaker 3: received that have felt that way, and we've literally done
Speaker 3: the ghostbusters to mood slime thing where we've just like
Speaker 3: hugged it and kissed it and told it how much
Speaker 3: we love it and it just stopped feeling bad. Oh
Speaker 3: you can do that. It works.
Speaker 1: It's like a troll on the internet, Like sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like all they need is like, oh you good job,
Speaker 1: you really got me.
Speaker 3: As a reformed troll, I can tell you all we
Speaker 3: want is love in attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you're reminding me.
Speaker 1: Like there's so many lessons that I actually think I
Speaker 1: learned from my interest in the paranormal that I take
Speaker 1: into real life, you know, similar to like the energy
Speaker 1: you give off when you go to places. I feel
Speaker 1: that way just going places in general, Like Okay, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good energy, then I'll be.
Speaker 2: Met with good energy.
Speaker 1: Like I always say, it's like a little bit of
Speaker 1: like healthy delusion where I'm just kind of like if
Speaker 1: I let people know that like nothing bothers me, then
Speaker 1: nothing's going to bother me. And it's weird, but it
Speaker 1: works for me. And I feel that same way with
Speaker 1: this curse thing.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: It's all just the energy you put out, the energy
Speaker 1: you give to people. When you think of trolls or
Speaker 1: people on the Internet or bullies or whatever that is.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you don't feed into it, it can't win.
Speaker 1: It just won't. It won't go anywhere. It's not getting
Speaker 1: what it needs to fuel lists. So you just kind
Speaker 1: of like don't give it what it's looking for.
Speaker 4: That's exactly it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great way to live.
Speaker 4: We really learned that with the first season of Hell Here,
Speaker 4: because it's this television show that's about UFOs and upology,
Speaker 4: but from a very different perspective. And so when we
Speaker 4: put it out into the world, there were a lot
Speaker 4: of people sort of entrenched, like UFO bros, like entrenched
Speaker 4: in the community that are very much like it's their
Speaker 4: physical things that are flying in the sky, and we
Speaker 4: dealt with like the weirds haters you like possitively imagine.
Speaker 3: People could not believe Dana was reading tarot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they couldn't imagine, like well Witchcraft and UFOs,
Speaker 4: like it was a paradigm they couldn't contextualize in their brains,
Speaker 4: so they just would lash out all the time. And
Speaker 4: I think that, like what you said is perfect. It's
Speaker 4: sort of like I always imagine it as if it's
Speaker 4: a road and they're kind of like asking you to
Speaker 4: come down this road with them, and at a certain
Speaker 4: point you recognize, like, now that's not a road I
Speaker 4: want to go down. So I'm just gonna let you
Speaker 4: be on your hater road and have your hater life
Speaker 4: and enjoy it and drink your hater age exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, you're absolutely true. It's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's like, and I'm happier than you, Like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but like, it's weird that when you're happy, you don't
Speaker 1: feel like making people's lives miserable. And I think that
Speaker 1: there are energies like that that aren't necessarily connected to
Speaker 1: human beings, where it's like they feed on negativity or
Speaker 1: whatever and they're looking for more of it and you
Speaker 1: ain't getting that from me.
Speaker 3: No, No, you just just shut it off, shut it off,
Speaker 3: and they go away. And I think that works for
Speaker 3: weird stuff too. Don't don't let it scare you. Our
Speaker 3: motto is always like, if you can choose, choose to
Speaker 3: be curious instead of afraid, And part of the reason
Speaker 3: is if we can continue like it's a big part
Speaker 3: of our thing is constantly tell people choose curiosity, don't
Speaker 3: choose fear. And if you can become less afraid of
Speaker 3: the monster under your bed, then you know your neighbor
Speaker 3: doesn't seem so scary anymore. The people that might believe
Speaker 3: differently or look differently than you. Again, we don't have
Speaker 3: to tell you. The paranormal world kind of skews very
Speaker 3: right wing Christian and by us being able to say
Speaker 3: things like this, it helps people maybe kind of get
Speaker 3: out of that weird headspace that they're in that kind
Speaker 3: of locks them into one particular worldview. If you can
Speaker 3: be nice to ghosts, you can be nice to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but come on, they're a little spooky, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: they are, some of them.
Speaker 2: Those are a little scary.
Speaker 1: My thing is like if you're invisible and you have
Speaker 1: the ability to just touch people randomly, like that is
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 3: It is they don't have boundaries often, I know.
Speaker 4: I mean, like one of the things we'll tell people
Speaker 4: often when they are having experiences like that where for instance,
Speaker 4: maybe they are being touched, you know, they don't want
Speaker 4: to be touched and it's scary, and like that's scary.
Speaker 4: It's scary one a stranger touches you, let alone, a
Speaker 4: stranger you can't see. And so one of the things
Speaker 4: that we'll constantly talk to people about is in our
Speaker 4: daily lives, when we're functioning in the world, we have
Speaker 4: to set boundaries all the time, often with people and
Speaker 4: you know, places where we're working, or just in general.
Speaker 4: Boundary setting is something that we all kind of have
Speaker 4: to get very good at, and it's really no different
Speaker 4: when it comes to the paranormal. It's it's just remembering
Speaker 4: that when you have a creepy experience, when something something
Speaker 4: makes it feel a little bit out of control, which
Speaker 4: is often what happens in those types of experiences, it's
Speaker 4: just kind of reiterating to people and helping them recognize that,
Speaker 4: like the same kind of boundary setting can be done
Speaker 4: in an energetic way and can be done just vocally
Speaker 4: in places like that, and often just setting those boundaries
Speaker 4: will make huge differences when it comes to the creepies
Speaker 4: because they are they are. I'm scared of ghosts still.
Speaker 4: If I saw anytime I have like a we go
Speaker 4: to a haunted place, I don't want to see it. Ever,
Speaker 4: I don't want to see like a translucent, tiny girl
Speaker 4: reach out at me in the dark. I don't want
Speaker 4: to see it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm scared of it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm scared of it too, but that's why
Speaker 5: I like it. Yeah, well you're a Scorpio. That's why
Speaker 5: I'm scared of it too.
Speaker 1: But this is where I struggle because there is like
Speaker 1: almost a ghost bro within me. I think my defense
Speaker 1: mechanism is just like because I feel like I deal
Speaker 1: with ghosts sometimes trying to boss me around, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't take that from anybody. Here's here's
Speaker 1: where here's where I differ. I never start shit. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I let the ghost start some ship, and then if
Speaker 1: they're gonna start it with me, they got the wrong one.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: I think that's totally fair. I can be on board
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: And that to me is boundaries and exactly whatever. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of times the past year where these
Speaker 1: ghosts are like allegedly according you know, I'm still very
Speaker 1: skeptical of a lot of this stuff, but you know,
Speaker 1: evidence leads me to believe that this ghost keeps asking
Speaker 1: me to do this or do that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you don't pay my bills, Okay, you're not my dad,
Speaker 1: d you're not gonna tell me where I need. This
Speaker 1: is something else I need to deal with. Thanks for
Speaker 1: bringing up therapy.
Speaker 4: And weirdly enough, we meet a ton of therapists that
Speaker 4: are into the paranormal, like so many.
Speaker 1: I mean, my personal theory a lot of the time
Speaker 1: is that like a ghost has been sticking around for
Speaker 1: a long time, and this is like judgment or whatever
Speaker 1: on my part, I apologize, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's like they're holding on to the past,
Speaker 1: and what's that about, because we all know living people
Speaker 1: where it's like, we know you were cool in high school.
Speaker 2: That was twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Stop talking about it, like you need to talk to
Speaker 1: someone so that we can get you to where you
Speaker 1: need to be right now and be present and stop
Speaker 1: holding on to the past. It's over somebody else lives
Speaker 1: here now or whatever. So I do think there needs
Speaker 1: to be more therapy type tactics when it comes to
Speaker 1: those people that help clean spaces, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, have you had this conversation with your ghost?
Speaker 3: Have you had the conversation where you're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: it's time to move on, it's time to go all
Speaker 3: this thing time and it still won't leave.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't have a ghost that lives here, but
Speaker 1: just you know, when I go ghost hunting, No, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about boundaries. I have a full on spiritual security system.
Speaker 1: Nice I figured nobody's coming in here though. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told this story yet. I
Speaker 1: have this thing I found at a flea market. It's
Speaker 1: a ceramic lady face. It's like gorgeous, like beautiful makeup.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize until I got it home.
Speaker 2: You just like hanging on the wall. I have three
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: One of them fell and broke and smashed, so now
Speaker 1: I have two of them. But I didn't know until
Speaker 1: I got them home that they have a string behind
Speaker 1: them and if you pull the string, it's like kind
Speaker 1: of like that music box chimy kind of music, and
Speaker 1: it plays My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And like maybe two weeks ago, I was sitting on
Speaker 1: the couch late at night and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I hear and I googled it. Apparently that can happen
Speaker 1: with these old like music boxes or whatever. They had
Speaker 1: just one their own, and it was the first time
Speaker 1: it happened.
Speaker 3: Keep explaining it away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So send me your address and.
Speaker 3: I don't want that. That sounds certifying.
Speaker 1: Hey, can we look at a haunted eBay doll? Please?
Speaker 3: I love nothing more.
Speaker 1: Thank god, it is time for a segment I call
Speaker 1: the dolls are living? Okay, this is gonna be fun
Speaker 1: with you guys. We are today talking about Mandy. Gee,
Speaker 1: how can you show us Mandy? Please?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I literally had a jump scare.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I cannot understand what the deal
Speaker 1: is with Mandy. She feels like a ventriloquid dummy, but
Speaker 1: doesn't have a movable mouth.
Speaker 2: She's like a.
Speaker 1: Very weird large doll.
Speaker 3: Mandy looks like a woman in a mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is like she's got a big is that
Speaker 1: Gingham hat?
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call that.
Speaker 3: Little Debbie, yes, little Tabby, not a little Debbie. I'm
Speaker 3: getting here.
Speaker 1: She feels like I've seen this drag quien many times.
Speaker 1: She's like missing half of her upper lip lipstick.
Speaker 2: I don't know what she's been doing.
Speaker 1: She well, she's also missing her pupils, and she's got
Speaker 1: she has lashes. It's just all very confusing. You need
Speaker 1: to go to ghosted by ros on Instagram under the
Speaker 1: tab dolls to see what we're talking about here.
Speaker 3: This is nightmare material.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of obsessed though, because anytime I see a
Speaker 4: doll with teeth, oh, it's.
Speaker 1: Alarming to have teeth and no pupils.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the lack of pupils is also very creepy. But
Speaker 4: the lashes are still very much present.
Speaker 3: With the crows eyes. They are doing it for me.
Speaker 4: Think a lashes, No, they are crows eyes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that is doing it for me. That is
Speaker 3: it's sort of that's like somebody's southern grandma.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like a chucky doll version of their grandmother.
Speaker 1: Yes, but she fully has a wig too, like.
Speaker 4: It's like a yeah, like a church haunted doll. Church lady.
Speaker 3: I don't know what does look like a church lady?
Speaker 4: Like a It's really there's a lot going on. I
Speaker 4: don't know. She's really legitimately scary though.
Speaker 3: I love clown features, yes, but no lights, clown makeup.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. She is going for twenty seven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars stop, oh my god, and of course she
Speaker 1: comes with a biography. I mean, I don't have to
Speaker 1: explain any of this to you, you weirdos. You two
Speaker 1: already know all about this. But here's a little bit
Speaker 1: of the biography. Mandy was a vivacious twenty five year
Speaker 1: old when a tragic.
Speaker 2: Car accident claimed her.
Speaker 1: Not okay, she died in a car accident, sat but
Speaker 1: going on to the real scary stuff.
Speaker 3: Twenty five though, I guess she was before she got it.
Speaker 3: Would be mad if I was a twenty five year
Speaker 3: old person look in this logically shuffled too early off
Speaker 3: this mortal coil. Yeah, and you stuck.
Speaker 4: Me in that. Yeah, that would be really, really awful.
Speaker 3: I'd be very upset.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, sidetrack, Do you guys feel like this scenario,
Speaker 1: which I don't know, It seems like you guys kind
Speaker 1: of believe that this kind of thing could be possible.
Speaker 2: I think I do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But do you think that it's a choice that the
Speaker 1: spirit makes or are they assigned a vessel?
Speaker 3: I think that's a complicated answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think the simplest way I could
Speaker 4: probably just sort of even begin to sort of scratch
Speaker 4: the surface of it is if we believe that there's
Speaker 4: some sort of a physical attachment, that there's some kind
Speaker 4: of consciousness whatever that is that seems to be really
Speaker 4: present with this object. I often think that it has
Speaker 4: something to do with a living person's the energy of
Speaker 4: a living person kind of attributing it to that object,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. So like family Airline for instance,
Speaker 4: so that I think they're a really great example. We
Speaker 4: have a pair of earrings that were given to the
Speaker 4: museum that belong to someone's grandma. After their grandmother passed,
Speaker 4: they would like move around their house all the time,
Speaker 4: and it just freaked them out and they didn't really
Speaker 4: want to keep them in the house anymore. But there's
Speaker 4: almost a sense of I think you can think of
Speaker 4: airloms as if there's a living person, there's someone who's
Speaker 4: sort of making that connection sort of on a certain level.
Speaker 3: You know what a good analogy is. Yeah, when I
Speaker 3: look at haunted objects, I think of them like not
Speaker 3: a container, but a telephone.
Speaker 4: A telephone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think that you have the ability
Speaker 3: to program your own you know, your own quick dial
Speaker 3: into that telephone in contact whatever, make that thing makes
Speaker 3: you think about. But I also think that other people
Speaker 3: and things have the ability to do that too and
Speaker 3: be like this is my phone. This is how I'm
Speaker 3: going to get attention from these people and talk to
Speaker 3: these people. Yeah. I'm not a big proponent of the
Speaker 3: idea that like it's a best it's a vest soul
Speaker 3: for something, because that sounds like the shittiest afterlife I
Speaker 3: can imagine. Yeah, And I'd like to think we have
Speaker 3: more agency as human being.
Speaker 4: I hope that it's a bit more elegant the passing
Speaker 4: of our souls into the next place.
Speaker 1: That's what I keep thinking, Like, is it you are
Speaker 1: given the choice Heaven, Hell or Mandy the eBay doll?
Speaker 3: I would put Mandy above a little scarier than Hell. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not much though.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you more about this story. It
Speaker 1: says she was strikingly beautiful and embraced life fully. Mandy
Speaker 1: garnered admiration from both men and women due to her
Speaker 1: innocent appearance, yet she was anything but innocent. Employed at
Speaker 1: a strip club in a neighboring town, Mandy was a
Speaker 1: renowned upscale performer. Far from being a common dancer, she
Speaker 1: maintained high standards, possessed innate elegance, and had a charm
Speaker 1: that left her with bountiful tips each night. She danced occasional. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot about how great she was as
Speaker 1: a stripper. It says her spirit now resides in this
Speaker 1: stunning doll, chosen for its beauty. I checked five times
Speaker 1: to make sure that this was the right biography for
Speaker 1: this doll. I have a feeling it's a copy and
Speaker 1: paste situation that these people have used on multiple different postings.
Speaker 1: But it says to be warned. She can be quite intense,
Speaker 1: even causing discomfort at times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that she.
Speaker 1: Views these as tender gestures of affection. She yearns for
Speaker 1: close interaction and let's see, you'll see some orbs, so
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty good bonus. She respects your boundaries even
Speaker 1: though she moves around at night, and she's often signaling
Speaker 1: her presence through unexpected sounds. Are visual phenomena anyway, So
Speaker 1: twenty seven hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Who do you think writes these claws?
Speaker 4: I want to meet that person.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. During the Writer's Guild strike there were
Speaker 1: more than ever of these.
Speaker 5: That's so interesting you solved it, that is, so we
Speaker 5: have wondered the same thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like these things have gotten so popular the
Speaker 3: last few years. Ross I think you solved it.
Speaker 4: That's incredibly interesting.
Speaker 3: Out of work writers.
Speaker 4: I love the excessive description because normally people like they
Speaker 4: haven't done their own research. That's usually our job is
Speaker 4: to like fill in the spaces and find the details.
Speaker 4: But I love it when someone gives you like a
Speaker 4: fully fleshed out, like Hollywood story about full backstory, full Backstorre.
Speaker 4: And it's always dolls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, keep them coming. I think it's fun.
Speaker 4: I love I kind of love Mandy. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Well twenty seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Let's start a gofund me. We'll get her.
Speaker 4: In the we get her in the museum.
Speaker 1: There's your next documentary, Mandy the strip doll. Hey can
Speaker 1: I play some EVPs? Yes? Time for EVP.
Speaker 2: Or ev plase.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what I do? I go to YouTube dot com.
Speaker 1: I'll find me some EVPs and I'm gonna play you too,
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me what you hear,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna guess the right answer being what
Speaker 1: the person that posted it believes it's saying.
Speaker 2: Because I'll give you some options here.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: The first one was posted by Rocky raccoon eighty six
Speaker 1: and it's at a seventeenth century property that is in
Speaker 1: Warwick in the UK. What is this ghost saying?
Speaker 4: Oh, it is kind of weird.
Speaker 1: It's windy out, there's leaves rustling, and.
Speaker 2: It's a whisper. Let me play it again.
Speaker 4: You're better at this sennight that I can.
Speaker 3: I'm almost there again.
Speaker 1: Any guesses?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: What I hear? Is I think this is private property?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wait it again?
Speaker 4: Private property?
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Well, here's some options.
Speaker 1: Is it A I am dead? Probably? Is it B?
Speaker 1: Thanks private property? Is it C hi, I'm proud of you?
Speaker 1: Or D I did not order the braccally, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play it again. It's one of those.
Speaker 4: Definitely, I think it was B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, private property. So they think it's saying thanks private property.
Speaker 1: Of my opinion, I think it's saying, Hi, this is
Speaker 1: private property.
Speaker 2: You're gonna need to get off. You don't need to go.
Speaker 3: I don't like the broccoli one personally.
Speaker 4: Broccoli one good too.
Speaker 1: I did not order the broccoli.
Speaker 4: The ghost is setting the boundary in the scenario.
Speaker 3: It's bost setting the boundary. The ops even they know.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the one more. This one is from Haunted
Speaker 1: Joe Horton. The location is unknown. What is this ghost saying? Okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of background noise. It's kind of a whisper.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess a little girl. I'm gonna play it again.
Speaker 4: It's so it's like I can hear it, but it
Speaker 4: seems like it's farther, like far away from the microphone.
Speaker 3: We get one more.
Speaker 4: It is it whisper?
Speaker 3: I can tell you what I hear?
Speaker 2: What do you hear?
Speaker 3: I'm so scared right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, I'm so scared right now.
Speaker 4: I could hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me play it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like to me.
Speaker 2: Well, here's some options. Is it A she's very loud?
Speaker 2: Is it B?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
Speaker 3: Is it? C?
Speaker 2: She's here in the house? Or D Shakira is in town?
Speaker 4: Okay, we hear it one more time.
Speaker 3: Yes, I like shakiras in town. Personally, I can I
Speaker 3: can hear that now that I've now that I've got
Speaker 3: that option. But I think I think C was what
Speaker 3: it feels like to me. She's in the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you guys should do this professionally because
Speaker 1: that is two for two. She's here in the house.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's very clear. That's really that's a good.
Speaker 3: One, a really good one.
Speaker 1: Well, you too, I could talk to you for literally
Speaker 1: hours and hours. Please, at the very least tell us
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you want people to check out,
Speaker 1: because there's so much of it.
Speaker 3: Well, as you know, we just recently released a feature
Speaker 3: length documentary. It's called The Unbinding. It's about an item
Speaker 3: that we've referred to as the Chrone. We've told the
Speaker 3: story on a previous episode of your podcast. People should
Speaker 3: check that out.
Speaker 4: The Unbinding sort of gives the back half of the
Speaker 4: story that we haven't told publicly, so it's you get
Speaker 4: a little bit of resolution in terms of the crone
Speaker 4: her song, which.
Speaker 3: Is a rare thing. She's very rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say me personally, it's the best paranormal
Speaker 1: investigation I've ever seen on camera that has been caught
Speaker 1: on camera, because you know, we don't always get to
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know very many scenarios that
Speaker 1: are like cases that are like this where there's a beginning, middle,
Speaker 1: and end. Right, you are seeing and it's documented over years,
Speaker 1: and you're seeing footage of unexplained phenomena captured and you know,
Speaker 1: usually you see on TV shows and stuff, a couple
Speaker 1: of days that are spent at one locate like this
Speaker 1: is a intense study with a lot of different as
Speaker 1: you guys always do, like with Hell You're and everything,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of different approaches trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: figure this all out. And I just think it's incredible
Speaker 1: and anyone that's a fan of paranormal should check it out.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm so flattered. That means a lot.
Speaker 4: It does well.
Speaker 3: If you want to check it out Planet weird dot tv,
Speaker 3: you can find it there. You can find pretty much
Speaker 3: anything we do there. We're working on the second season
Speaker 3: of the Haunted Objects podcast. Yes we don't have a
Speaker 3: release date yet, but it'll be out soon, very soon.
Speaker 4: And we are also in the midst of filming Hell
Speaker 4: You're Three, so that is also coming. I know people
Speaker 4: don't believe us when we say it anymore, but we.
Speaker 3: Really are film really are.
Speaker 4: We watch foot we watch footage.
Speaker 3: It's incredible and it made us fry. It's so good.
Speaker 3: It's the best thing we've made, so so good. Planet
Speaker 3: weird dot tv.
Speaker 1: You guys, well, I'm so happy that you came on.
Speaker 4: We love you, love you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you guys, adopt me.
Speaker 1: Okay fine, thank you so much to Greg and Dana Newkirk. Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you again I will be doing
Speaker 1: a show on the second of May in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: stand up comedy not about ghosts, and that will be
Speaker 1: at Largo at the Cornet Theater for Netflix is a
Speaker 1: joke the Comedy Festival, and I will be headlining along
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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia Hart Start,
Speaker 1: and the frightening Danielle Kramer.