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Speaker 6: It is Thursday November sixteenth, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 6: episode number seventy two.
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Speaker 6: And at some point in this show, Brian is going
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Speaker 7: I don't even know what it's called. That one dance.
Speaker 8: I don't know the name it was. It was. It's
Speaker 8: on your social media.
Speaker 7: Do it right, do it left?
Speaker 8: It's left right, left, right?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well you're having problems with the left right
Speaker 9: footwork there looked like a right tackle.
Speaker 10: Some people are not born with that kind of skill.
Speaker 10: Takes a lot of coordination, some pain.
Speaker 8: Some can dance.
Speaker 6: Right there, you go exactly, lean into whatever God gave you.
Speaker 8: Whatever. You a Dominican though, that you could have, you
Speaker 8: have that.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 10: That's the kind of shame I bring up on my
Speaker 10: own people. It's the fact that I'm probably me and
Speaker 10: my brothers. They claim they can dance, but they can't.
Speaker 10: But yeah, we were not good dances. My mom can
Speaker 10: dance really good. Everybody in my family, my dad is
Speaker 10: a big dancer.
Speaker 2: But that's interesting Mom and dad and what happened. None
Speaker 2: of y'all could.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Y'all were busy doing other things.
Speaker 7: Let's put it like that, painting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, painting.
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 6: All right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna we're
Speaker 6: gonna start that injury report. Patrick's not here to give
Speaker 6: it to us. But that's a good thing, because the
Speaker 6: Cowboys injury report is basically empty, like they don't have
Speaker 6: any They have guys on it, but.
Speaker 2: They all have full participation in practice.
Speaker 8: Here.
Speaker 6: There was one thing that stood out to me, though,
Speaker 6: I thought was interesting. Tyrant tinnashitot nd shot A shot
Speaker 6: opened his window. What what can he provide for this
Speaker 6: offense at this point. Is there anything you can expect
Speaker 6: it for him to provide at this point coming back
Speaker 6: from injury, Well.
Speaker 10: It would be interesting to see what that looks like,
Speaker 10: because prior to the injury, he wasn't doing a whole lot,
Speaker 10: like even from the start of training camp. I don't
Speaker 10: know what it was. I don't know what kind of
Speaker 10: funk he was in, but he just was wasn't having
Speaker 10: a successful start of twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 12: Like.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 10: It seemed to me that maybe a lot of it
Speaker 10: was mental because physically, prior to the injury he was fine.
Speaker 10: He was physically fine.
Speaker 7: Last year.
Speaker 10: He did a really good job given what was asked
Speaker 10: of him to do and his role in the offense.
Speaker 10: But then all of a sudden, I don't know if
Speaker 10: it was the addition of them drafting look Schoommaker, maybe
Speaker 10: that got into his head or what. This is just
Speaker 10: me trying to find reasons. This is not anything that
Speaker 10: hurt or seeing myself. But I don't know if if
Speaker 10: it was that the arriving of Schoolmaker and maybe him
Speaker 10: getting too much into his head, but because there were
Speaker 10: a lot of instances that he would mess up not
Speaker 10: catch a ball or something, and he would have that
Speaker 10: conversation of that kind of saying, hey, it's okay, Like
Speaker 10: I would see that, like him reassuring him like, hey
Speaker 10: it's fine, bro, like you got this blah blah blah,
Speaker 10: and then they would go and then yeah, he might
Speaker 10: catch the next ball and like that. But right now,
Speaker 10: I don't know what that could look like for him,
Speaker 10: him coming off that injury, because prior to that it wasn't.
Speaker 9: I think she tailed it. I think she absolutely nailed
Speaker 9: it with him. And there are people in the organization
Speaker 9: even before last season they were, you know, guys were
Speaker 9: talking about, hey, watch this Hindershot watching and he kind
Speaker 9: of he has some productive plays, and then all of
Speaker 9: a sudden, then Ferguson just completely outplays him. They draft Schoonmaker.
Speaker 9: And now maybe you're a little bit you're not so
Speaker 9: sure about what your role is really going to be.
Speaker 9: But there were a lot of people in this organization
Speaker 9: that we were talking about that they felt like that
Speaker 9: Hindershot might have been above Ferguson at points of time
Speaker 9: of last year, and then here they are, they go
Speaker 9: out and draft a second round tight end. It doesn't
Speaker 9: seem like it's bothered Ferguson all that much. But then
Speaker 9: Hindershot gets hurt. You know what, it's a capable player,
Speaker 9: you know, it's to me, it's you know, McEwan. I
Speaker 9: know there was a lot of guys. Bobby and I
Speaker 9: did a podcast yesterday, Love of the Star, and Bobby's like,
Speaker 9: I want to see more of the Michigan tight end,
Speaker 9: and I got many too. Man, I'm on this Schoonmaker
Speaker 9: thing by myself. I feel like it's no McEwan, the
Speaker 9: other Michigan tie and I went clear and I went, oh, okay,
Speaker 9: yeah he was. He said I want to see more
Speaker 9: of the Michigan tied in and I immediately thought of
Speaker 9: Schoonmaker and he was talking about McEwen and so that.
Speaker 9: But I think having Hindershot and Schoonmaker and Ferguson and
Speaker 9: I think that you it presents a little bit of
Speaker 9: a different group. Maybe things have had a chance, like
Speaker 9: Ambar said, maybe he settled down. Maybe the injuries kind
Speaker 9: of put him into place like okay, I just need
Speaker 9: to go out and play.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 9: I've got, you know, a couple of months here to
Speaker 9: kind of figure out a help and be the type
Speaker 9: of player that I could be. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 9: real quick. The one guy that was surprising yesterday, we
Speaker 9: were thinking Tyron Smith practiced and we were kind of
Speaker 9: thinking that it was one of these practices like whoa,
Speaker 9: whoa wait a minute, now they told us Tyron Smith
Speaker 9: is not going to practice, is Tyron Smith? Because he
Speaker 9: wasn't on the injury report. But it was like a
Speaker 9: walk through practice, is what it was. So it wasn't
Speaker 9: like a real practice.
Speaker 8: It was more of a run.
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly, it was more of a walk through type
Speaker 9: of a speed practice. So now you're like going, okay,
Speaker 9: you know, because you're thinking, please Tyrant don't get hurt
Speaker 9: in practice because you don't see him on the injury report.
Speaker 8: That was the one that got my attention. But I'm
Speaker 8: glad you brought up a hinder shot.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about hinder shot and this is this
Speaker 6: is just my own perspective. I had actually until I
Speaker 6: saw the injury report, I'd actually kind of forgotten that
Speaker 6: he wasn't around. That's the hard part about this is
Speaker 6: and that's why I asked the question the way I
Speaker 6: did is how.
Speaker 2: Does he fit?
Speaker 6: Is when someone is gone and realize they're not there
Speaker 6: until they're ready to come back. Then you're like, what
Speaker 6: did they really miss I don't. I don't know that
Speaker 6: there was a role that he had that they missed
Speaker 6: when he wasn't there. And that's the part where I mean,
Speaker 6: it's not like he's the best blocker, it's not like
Speaker 6: he's the best whatever. You know, you can't find that
Speaker 6: role of well without him, they don't have this right
Speaker 6: and that's the part that makes it tough to especially
Speaker 6: in an offense where they got a lot of guys
Speaker 6: wanting the ball, right.
Speaker 2: They got a lot of guys that that should be
Speaker 2: getting the ball. It just makes it tough.
Speaker 9: What happens is when you play games and you manage
Speaker 9: to win and you have success without him, then the
Speaker 9: push to get him back ready to go is not
Speaker 9: that serious. It's like, Okay, we can take our time
Speaker 9: with this a little bit. We don't have to push him,
Speaker 9: you know, try and make it to for him to
Speaker 9: come back potentially a week early.
Speaker 8: We could let this thing ride and then you know,
Speaker 8: when he's ready, he's ready.
Speaker 9: And you know, the cowboys in a way kind of
Speaker 9: I think they really hate making roster moves when it
Speaker 9: comes to taking somebody off the roster completely.
Speaker 8: I don't think they I don't think they're it.
Speaker 9: You know, who's the fifty first guy, who's the fifty
Speaker 9: second guy, who's the fifty third guy.
Speaker 8: They do.
Speaker 9: They love their players. They love their players to the
Speaker 9: point where if somebody were to come back, or they
Speaker 9: had to go claim a guy, or they had to,
Speaker 9: you know, make a move, it is hard for these
Speaker 9: guys to make a move. I don't with the personal guys,
Speaker 9: you know, maybe a little bit more. But the coaches.
Speaker 9: They Mike McCarthy, he loves his team, he loves his guys,
Speaker 9: and so when you start talking about adding guys and
Speaker 9: having to subtract guys that are playing, it's hard for
Speaker 9: these coaches to.
Speaker 8: You know, to get rid of a guy. They just
Speaker 8: don't want to do it.
Speaker 10: But also for the tight end position, Hender Show wasn't
Speaker 10: like the best guy that blocking, so he wasn't here
Speaker 10: to block and that would be more Sean McKeon, and
Speaker 10: then Schoommaker, that was one of his trades.
Speaker 7: I just spit all over the place.
Speaker 8: Schoolmaker will do that to you.
Speaker 7: That's weird, but okay, but them too.
Speaker 10: And then you look at the receiving aspect of things
Speaker 10: catching the ball, it's not They've shown a whole lot
Speaker 10: of priority in targeting Jake Ferguson. So the position itself,
Speaker 10: it's already lacking as far as how much you're using it.
Speaker 10: So it's just it's hard to do you kind of
Speaker 10: really envision a role for him right now in what's
Speaker 10: left of the season.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say this if I can offer
Speaker 9: just one of my being wrong about the tight end position.
Speaker 9: I feel like that I was wrong about Schoonmaker in
Speaker 9: a way of him being a.
Speaker 8: Plug and play blocker. I felt like watching.
Speaker 9: Him play at Michigan and the way that they play
Speaker 9: with that physicality and the way they run the ball,
Speaker 9: and you know, they're one of the top four teams
Speaker 9: in the country right now. They still have that physical
Speaker 9: element to him. Where I misevaluated Schoonmaker is that ability,
Speaker 9: not so much is the catching. I thought that the
Speaker 9: catching and part of that would would be there. I
Speaker 9: really he's had some drops that are they're really inexcusable,
Speaker 9: concentration lacks, you know, stuff that you didn't see. Where
Speaker 9: I misevaluated him was plug and play as a blocker.
Speaker 9: I thought he is going to be plug and play
Speaker 9: and they'll be able to run the ball. They'll put
Speaker 9: him in and they'll run the ball behind him and
Speaker 9: he'll be effective and all that. He is far from
Speaker 9: being that guy right now.
Speaker 8: He really really is.
Speaker 9: And if you if you you know, and I know
Speaker 9: there's a lot of people they'll throw the word busts
Speaker 9: and all that, but you know, I just remember Stalton
Speaker 9: Schultz and guys like that that that the first couple
Speaker 9: of years just non factors and then all of a
Speaker 9: sudden they're factors. I'm willing to give Luke Scoonmaker, but
Speaker 9: just me admitting what I thought of the player coming
Speaker 9: out of college was wrong in the way of how
Speaker 9: I thought he can immediately just go in and play,
Speaker 9: and it's been really hard for him in that way.
Speaker 6: Just out of curiosity, where do you have Laporta?
Speaker 8: I had actually Laporta above Schoonmaker and having to stay
Speaker 8: in the second.
Speaker 2: Round and they went close together.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were. Laporta for Detroit's played really well. The
Speaker 9: kid at Buffalo has played. Kincaid has been Kincaid. You know,
Speaker 9: everybody and everybody pre draft and leading up to even
Speaker 9: moments when we went on the air here in the studio,
Speaker 9: we're thinking that cowboys were going to look at Kinkaid,
Speaker 9: the tied end from Youtubeeah, he was gonna he was
Speaker 9: that Dallas was going to take Concaid. And then all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, some whispers started happening, you know, among
Speaker 9: our group that Laporta was a guy that they really
Speaker 9: really liked from Iowa. And so that's that tidy group
Speaker 9: was actually a really good group, you know. And but
Speaker 9: you know, everybody's looking at all the other ones that
Speaker 9: have been selected, and then they see Scoon Maker and
Speaker 9: then they're going, they missed out on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you know, that's that's when they missed out. Now give
Speaker 9: him an opportunity. But also if you want to blame
Speaker 9: somebody for maybe misevaluate him, look at me. You know,
Speaker 9: I'm willing to say that I thought he could be
Speaker 9: a plug and play player.
Speaker 8: He just can't be that right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: you hit the nail on the head. From the standpoint,
Speaker 6: we got to get these guys sometimes a little bit
Speaker 6: of time. I think sometimes we see guys coming to
Speaker 6: the NFL and immediately have a splash and so we
Speaker 6: think everybody has to do it right way, and I
Speaker 6: don't think that's necessarily the case. You see a lot
Speaker 6: of good players in the NFL that it takes them
Speaker 6: a little bit to get going.
Speaker 9: Well, that's with Mazzie Smith is a really good example.
Speaker 9: And you know, Mazzie Smith. And we had Brian Baldinger
Speaker 9: on from the NFL Network yesterday day and Brian was
Speaker 9: talking about Mozzie Smith one of his better games, and
Speaker 9: you watched him and you know, and Dan Quinn talked
Speaker 9: about it and all that. And you know, the thing
Speaker 9: with the unfortunate thing for Mozzie Smith is everybody sees
Speaker 9: what Jalen Carter at the Philadelphia Eagles is doing well.
Speaker 9: Jalen Carter at one time, before he got in some
Speaker 9: kind of the off the field situations, a lot of
Speaker 9: people talked about him maybe being the first overall pick, yeah,
Speaker 9: in the draft. And so now you're kind of thinking, well, wow,
Speaker 9: you're comparing Mazzie Smith to Jalen Carter, which is really
Speaker 9: not fair. They're they're both both have similar trades with strength,
Speaker 9: and one is much quicker, more active and all that.
Speaker 9: It's not that Mozzi doesn't can't be Jalen Carter one day.
Speaker 8: But it's just.
Speaker 9: Right now he's he's having to develop a technique and
Speaker 9: play a different style than what Jalen Carter played at
Speaker 9: Georgia and now is playing with the Eagles.
Speaker 6: It's a huge difference in talent and traits of a
Speaker 6: top first round pick and a pick first round pick
Speaker 6: and they live in the mid to late twenties.
Speaker 8: Yeah, twenty different, Yeah twenty one.
Speaker 9: Sometimes pick twenty six is better than pick one, though
Speaker 9: sometimes it Yeah, everyone, you know, every once in a while,
Speaker 9: like pick twenty one, you're like, man, they stole the
Speaker 9: guy here. Yeah, they stole one here. And I think
Speaker 9: Mazie's going to be that type of guy. But I
Speaker 9: just wanted to I just wanted to throw out there
Speaker 9: about what my thoughts were about about Schoonmaker.
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Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about the Carolina defense. I want
Speaker 6: to start first Brian with their pass rush. Tell me
Speaker 6: who is the the the pass rusher that we should
Speaker 6: be most concerned about this game.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's Brian Burns and Brian Burns is listed as
Speaker 9: a They play a three four front that's their base
Speaker 9: with the three down linemen and then the linebackers.
Speaker 8: The four linebackers and.
Speaker 9: Brian Burns is primarily their best pass rusher. He's listed
Speaker 9: as a linebacker. It's very similar. I kind of compared
Speaker 9: it to him with what Terrence Steele is going to
Speaker 9: have to deal with when he played against Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 9: That kind of that kind of player, and.
Speaker 8: You're gonna get Burns.
Speaker 9: You know, Reddick plays the one side, but Burns will
Speaker 9: play both. When you look at his where his alignments are,
Speaker 9: it's it's really on both sides. But this guy is
Speaker 9: an extremely productive player when it comes to rushing the
Speaker 9: passer when he gets I mean, he's one of.
Speaker 8: These guys that.
Speaker 9: When you watch him play, you're like, my gosh, how
Speaker 9: they going to stop him here? You know, I mean
Speaker 9: single blocks things like that. I mean, he's he's hard
Speaker 9: to deal with because he's just got His first step
Speaker 9: is just it gets so much ground. So now you're
Speaker 9: a blocker and you're trying to you know, you want
Speaker 9: to get your hands on him, but he's already on
Speaker 9: you because his first step has got to you, and
Speaker 9: now you're struggling to get your hands on him to
Speaker 9: get him on clean. He's like I say, the first step, explosiveness,
Speaker 9: the overall speed, the pass rush moves.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of things that you have to deal with.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to account for this guy really every
Speaker 9: single play.
Speaker 6: When you look at the Carolina defense in their pass
Speaker 6: rush right now, they are ranked fifth in blitz percentage
Speaker 6: they blitz, they do more than most teams at thirty
Speaker 6: seven point three percent. Right, but he was an interesting part.
Speaker 6: They're thirty first in past in pressure percent right only
Speaker 6: at thirty point eight percent.
Speaker 8: It's a weird defense.
Speaker 6: So my question becomes, is that an indicator that they
Speaker 6: really are much better on the back end, and they
Speaker 6: kind of expose They expose their back into a lot
Speaker 6: because they're blitzing, which means they got less people back
Speaker 6: in coverage and they're not getting home and they're not
Speaker 6: even getting pressure a lot of the times.
Speaker 9: Burns is their best rusher and everybody else I will
Speaker 9: say this, Derek Brown, who plays They've got some big
Speaker 9: body guys, so they're not the best when it comes
Speaker 9: to Burns is the nifty guy. Everybody else are big
Speaker 9: slug guys, big body push guys, and so what happens
Speaker 9: is he's the primary guy.
Speaker 8: So they have to blitz.
Speaker 9: They have to blitz to create other opportunities because none
Speaker 9: of their other down linemen are going to get home
Speaker 9: not that often. It's really really difficuelt Derek Brown's the
Speaker 9: one that's got the best chance to play. He's very
Speaker 9: similar to what they dealt with, in my opinion, to
Speaker 9: Dexter Lawrence. That kind of guy, big body, push, you know,
Speaker 9: can can kind of kind of make some things happen,
Speaker 9: to create you know, he's one of those guys that
Speaker 9: creates a new line of scrimmage the way that he plays.
Speaker 9: But the thing about it is Derek and I was
Speaker 9: curious about this because the metrics will tell you that
Speaker 9: this team faces the least amount of past attempts in
Speaker 9: the league of drop back passes, their last in the
Speaker 9: league when it comes to when it comes to facing
Speaker 9: drop back passes. And I was curious because I was wondering,
Speaker 9: how do they play, how they played so much coverage?
Speaker 8: How much? What's the deal?
Speaker 9: Okay, they've given up, they've given up only only the
Speaker 9: Giants have given up more rushing touchdowns than these guys. Okay,
Speaker 9: the Giants have given up sixteen. They've given up fifteen.
Speaker 9: They've allowed four point three yards and carry. That makes
Speaker 9: them twenty fourth in the league when it comes to
Speaker 9: defending the run. They're ninth in the in the league
Speaker 9: with the most rushing attempts faced. They face the ninth
Speaker 9: most rushing attempts. So what's happening is they're they're they've
Speaker 9: had a problem defending Like outside runs is another thing.
Speaker 9: When you watch them on tape, it's like, oh, balls
Speaker 9: getting to the corner. They're thirtieth in the league when
Speaker 9: it comes to ball on edge. So we saw last
Speaker 9: week with the Cowboys, remember the toss sweeps, trying to
Speaker 9: get the ball on the outside, not run the ball
Speaker 9: at Dexter Lawrence, try and get the ball on the
Speaker 9: edge a little bit more So this team, I think
Speaker 9: they're facing less pass attempts because teams are kind of
Speaker 9: figuring out we could.
Speaker 8: Run the ball and have a little success on them.
Speaker 9: And but but if you look at you look at
Speaker 9: how they play like and this is this is why
Speaker 9: I think is going to happen in this game. Because
Speaker 9: they play that cover three look with the single high safety.
Speaker 9: They're going to teams that are that have big time
Speaker 9: receivers Dolphins, Seattle, Detroit, those teams that have those kind
Speaker 9: of receivers played zone ninety four percent of the time
Speaker 9: against the Dolphins played zone ninety two percent of the
Speaker 9: time versus Seattle played zone eighty three percent of the
Speaker 9: time against Detride. They're gonna play a ton of zone
Speaker 9: in this game against the Cowboys. They're absolutely gonna play
Speaker 9: and they're gonna hope that they can get that they
Speaker 9: can get Brian Burns home, and maybe they're gonna have
Speaker 9: to blitz a little bit more, but they're they're they're
Speaker 9: big blitz down. By the way, too is first down
Speaker 9: that they don't wait till third down to blitch you.
Speaker 9: They come right off the bus first down. They're gonna
Speaker 9: come blitch you there.
Speaker 8: So I kind of feel like.
Speaker 9: I feel like that they they they they wanted. They're
Speaker 9: really really worried about their run defense, you know, but
Speaker 9: they're but people have had success though even though they've
Speaker 9: got the fewest pass attempts. If you look in their
Speaker 9: secondary and you watch their and watch their guys play,
Speaker 9: you know, j C. Horn is coming back and he's
Speaker 9: been out since week one. Now he's there and when
Speaker 9: you watch him, he's their best press man corner. I mean,
Speaker 9: he is the one guy that can lock up a guy,
Speaker 9: like if he gets on CD, he can lock CD
Speaker 9: up because of his ability and ability to turn, to run,
Speaker 9: his size, his length, all those things. But the other
Speaker 9: corners with Dante Jackson and CJ. Henderson, they they get
Speaker 9: a lot of covered snaps. But the quarterback rating against them,
Speaker 9: and you could tell it on tape again is really high.
Speaker 9: One nineteen to six against Jackson, uh one p fifteen
Speaker 9: to nine against Henderson. Teams are having success when they
Speaker 9: pass it. Those guys throwing the ball at him, Yeah,
Speaker 9: you know they're not. It's like not a lot of attempts,
Speaker 9: but teams are having success doing it.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 9: It's a it's a weird thing because maybe the fact
Speaker 9: that they struggle playing run defense actually helps them not
Speaker 9: get exposed as much in past defense.
Speaker 6: You know what I'd also like to figure out on
Speaker 6: that note, is is it because because they have lost
Speaker 6: They've only been two games so far, there are all
Speaker 6: their losses. Yeah, there have only been two of them
Speaker 6: when they lost by less than seven points, right, And
Speaker 6: so it makes me wonder if a lot of the
Speaker 6: fact that teams are running the ball a lot against
Speaker 6: them is based in the fact that you get a
Speaker 6: lead and then you're just trying to run out the
Speaker 6: gains right, and that that does make me wonder if
Speaker 6: that's really the reason. It's not so much that you
Speaker 6: see a weakness in the run defense as much as
Speaker 6: it is it's just that's point of the game and
Speaker 6: you just on a rap the clock.
Speaker 9: That is I clearly think I don't think anybody wants
Speaker 9: to deal with Brian Burns as a rusher. I really don't. Uh,
Speaker 9: But but I've seen teams run the ball at him
Speaker 9: and have success. So it's it's it's it's one of
Speaker 9: those strange things. Is like I remember they came in here,
Speaker 9: I think it was two years ago, maybe three years ago,
Speaker 9: where they were the number one run defense in the
Speaker 9: league and Dallas and Dallas was Dallas was one of
Speaker 9: the top teams running the foot ball as well, and
Speaker 9: it was going to be okay, which was going to happen,
Speaker 9: and Dallas just slammed him in the running game. And
Speaker 9: they came out of here and Dallas had a big
Speaker 9: win and all that stuff like that.
Speaker 8: But they ran the football.
Speaker 9: I think that's a little bit of I think their
Speaker 9: pass defense gets masked because of the struggle. I could
Speaker 9: definitely see now the reason they struggle. I think in
Speaker 9: the running game is they like to and we always
Speaker 9: talk about like move the front because you'll see them.
Speaker 9: You'll see them move all their guys will take a
Speaker 9: step going, say strong, and then they'll try and fill
Speaker 9: with a safety or somebody. So they're trying to cover
Speaker 9: all the gaps, but there's sometimes they don't cover all
Speaker 9: the gaps, and now.
Speaker 8: The ball's through and people are getting yards on.
Speaker 9: I could see Dallas in the running game trying the
Speaker 9: little bit of the edges, but just kind of take
Speaker 9: as blockers, take them where they want to go. If
Speaker 9: they want to go hard to the just move them
Speaker 9: that way and then take the ball behind all the
Speaker 9: movement there. And that's what teams have been able to
Speaker 9: do against this team and and have some success doing it.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the fact that they run a lot of zone.
Speaker 6: They actually, right now second and league percentage of plays
Speaker 6: dropbacks that they play zone about eighty three percent of
Speaker 6: the time at this point, because we've talked about it.
Speaker 6: That is at great games versus teams that play a
Speaker 6: lot of man play a lot of zone. If you
Speaker 6: had to choose which one you think the Cowboys offense
Speaker 6: is more proficient going up against zone or man.
Speaker 9: I kind of feel like that, man, it seems like
Speaker 9: they make a lot of big plays and they play
Speaker 9: man coverage place against these guys, do you know when
Speaker 9: they when the ability to I know the San Francisco
Speaker 9: game was a little bit different because of the man.
Speaker 8: I mean they didn't.
Speaker 9: I don't think they expected San Francisco to play as
Speaker 9: much man coverage. But man, they seem like they make
Speaker 9: some huge chunk plays when it's when they're dealing with
Speaker 9: their running guys through. You know, maybe they're using their
Speaker 9: picks and their rubs. But it seems like to me
Speaker 9: the separation that that you know that Lamb has been
Speaker 9: able to get cooks last week in the game. With
Speaker 9: the separation, I do feel like to me, just what
Speaker 9: I pointed out, I think the I think they're nervous
Speaker 9: about Dallas's secondary. I think you're gonna see a ton
Speaker 9: of zone in this game, just because that's in me
Speaker 9: just going back, I'm like, okay, wait, okay, they play
Speaker 9: a lot of his own, but who are they playing
Speaker 9: it against. You know, look at Miami. Miami has weapons,
Speaker 9: yea speed. You know they're trying not to give up
Speaker 9: the big play. The thing when you're playing the Cowboys.
Speaker 9: You got to worry about the big plays. I think
Speaker 9: the DAK I think they're going to play. But we'll
Speaker 9: say with j. C. Horn being back, the Hord could
Speaker 9: Hord could be great, or he could have a lot
Speaker 9: of rust. You know, the Russ factor could be a
Speaker 9: factor here. But he is the one guy that I
Speaker 9: feel like that they said, Okay, we're going to try
Speaker 9: and take Ceede.
Speaker 8: Lamb out of this game.
Speaker 9: He's the one guy I think could go with Lamb
Speaker 9: and battle him the whole game.
Speaker 8: I don't think Jackson or Anderson can do that.
Speaker 10: So let's let's go through the last four weeks where
Speaker 10: they've started changing offensively and being more productive. So against
Speaker 10: the Chargers, what did they face there?
Speaker 8: It's more more zone coverage.
Speaker 3: There Rams that was zone, Eagles, that was that was
Speaker 3: both but that was more man than zone.
Speaker 8: And then Giants, Yeah, a lot of so.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the other thing to consider is they've
Speaker 6: played man differently. Like what I mean by that is
Speaker 6: the Cowboys over the last four weeks, really after the
Speaker 6: San Francisco game, they basically changed their offensive bit to
Speaker 6: where they now got a ton of motion.
Speaker 2: And it's what we talked about a right.
Speaker 6: You're there's no motion there are there's no compression sets,
Speaker 6: Like they're not doing the things that create opportunities for
Speaker 6: you to take advantage of man press and not let
Speaker 6: them be able to get their hands on a clean
Speaker 6: press on the receivers. After that game, I don't remember
Speaker 6: what the percentage was, but it's like some crazy jump
Speaker 6: in percentage of plays where they have pre snap motion
Speaker 6: now versus or the last four games versus what they
Speaker 6: were doing against San Francisco.
Speaker 9: Talking about yourself, there's something in my scouting bag I
Speaker 9: want to grab. It's a piece of paper talking about you.
Speaker 2: But I think that's really the point.
Speaker 6: If you want to talk about like where the difference is,
Speaker 6: you can't even really say like they were playing man
Speaker 6: here versus man earlier in the season, because how they
Speaker 6: how they are attacking man is different.
Speaker 10: You would say, it's not so much what the opponent
Speaker 10: is doing defensively, is more so what the Cowboys have
Speaker 10: been able to start incorporating.
Speaker 6: That's my that is my thought, because again, I feel
Speaker 6: like they against San Francisco, they weren't doing the things
Speaker 6: that you typically would want to do when you're placing
Speaker 6: it playing a team that's playing press man coverage.
Speaker 2: Their corners aren't great.
Speaker 6: In San Francisco, they just played something I don't think
Speaker 6: Dallas was necessarily were and in that way, they didn't
Speaker 6: do the things that they probably should be doing. And
Speaker 6: as we see after that game, they now have incorporated
Speaker 6: incorporated those things into their their offense.
Speaker 9: I did a little project and I've stood a grabbed
Speaker 9: my notes when I did it of Ceede Lamb of
Speaker 9: the you know, he's targeted eighty six times and he's
Speaker 9: got sixty eight receptions in those times. How many times
Speaker 9: you think that he's he's face Okay, he's faced h
Speaker 9: single coverage. He's got forty eight receptions against single coverage,
Speaker 9: and he's got twenty receptions against double coverage.
Speaker 8: So that's of his sixty eight.
Speaker 9: So when you watch him play teams trying to take
Speaker 9: him at you know, if you try and double him,
Speaker 9: he's he's seen twenty six double coverage snaps.
Speaker 8: And he's caught twenty of them.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 8: See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: That's that's the that's the issues that you deal with
Speaker 9: when you're trying to play ceed Lamb. You're trying to
Speaker 9: think move him around, which they've done a great job
Speaker 9: of doing. You could go back on the next gen
Speaker 9: and watch and they and he's never really in the
Speaker 9: same spot over.
Speaker 8: I mean, you look at all his targets.
Speaker 6: So if you're going to travel now, you're messing up
Speaker 6: your whole defense.
Speaker 9: You're messing up hole exactly exactly. So it was sixty
Speaker 9: eight receptions. Like I said, it was that it doesn't
Speaker 9: matter whether you single cover him or double cover him.
Speaker 8: He's going to he's going to make place.
Speaker 6: Do you remember.
Speaker 10: I can't remember, but starting from forty nine ers and
Speaker 10: before that, were they still moving him around?
Speaker 9: Oh, I felt like it was more static with whether
Speaker 9: we were playing. I mean just you know, okay, the
Speaker 9: tight formations, slants and things like that. It felt like
Speaker 9: to me there might not have been as much with that.
Speaker 9: I mean, there's some these the games after San Francisco
Speaker 9: are the ones that are really noticeable where I had
Speaker 9: to find me, no, no, where I had to find him.
Speaker 9: Like when you after the San Francisco there are times
Speaker 9: you could watch and you're like, Okay, he's going to
Speaker 9: be there, He's going to be there, He's going to
Speaker 9: be there. He's okay, he's there, and then after San
Speaker 9: Francisco was like, oh no, that's that. Yeah, that's oh,
Speaker 9: that's that's Cooks. Okay, wait yeah, now you're looking for
Speaker 9: his shoes. I know he wears like blue shoes, so
Speaker 9: now you're looking for the blue shoes in the formation,
Speaker 9: you know, and they're moving them around and bringing him
Speaker 9: in motion and things like that. So the San Francisco
Speaker 9: game really turned this group around, whether it was CD
Speaker 9: going to Dak and saying, bro, come on, we gotta
Speaker 9: do something different here. Because you watch you watch Ceedee
Speaker 9: Lamb's game against San Francisco, it was like it is
Speaker 9: so just ordinary, and after that it's been like all
Speaker 9: pro it.
Speaker 6: Honestly, is the one thing that gives me some hope
Speaker 6: that the Cowboys, if they have to face the forty
Speaker 6: nine ers in the playoffs, can change the tide of
Speaker 6: what's been happening the last several times that they've played them,
Speaker 6: is if they would have employed then what they've been
Speaker 6: employing against these other teams. I really want to see.
Speaker 6: Now again, your defense is still gonna have to make
Speaker 6: some stops in it. In that game, they just didn't.
Speaker 6: They not either, So the defense still got to pull
Speaker 6: their weight on that. But I do think the offense
Speaker 6: can score more points than they scored in that game,
Speaker 6: obviously doing the things that they've been doing over the
Speaker 6: last four weeks. All Right, we're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 6: We'll come back talk a little bit about this Dallas offense.
Speaker 6: We may even get a question in or two.
Speaker 8: We'll see.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back, final segment of the Break Life Mess WBC
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Speaker 6: I'm actually gonna start this segment with a question from
Speaker 6: one of our listeners. Mister test Tasty Beverage is his
Speaker 6: handle on Twitter. His question is do you think the
Speaker 6: combo of cooks and CD will allow the run game
Speaker 6: to get going with the panther panthers and commanders coming up?
Speaker 6: When you think about it, one of the things that
Speaker 6: I think going into the season, I think most teams
Speaker 6: probably looked at the Cowboys and said, you got us
Speaker 6: up the run first, and now that the offense is
Speaker 6: starting to explode in the passing game, you.
Speaker 2: Got to see you think that flips it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you got to say.
Speaker 9: The one thing the Cowboys have proven that they could
Speaker 9: do is throw the ball and throw it effectively. You
Speaker 9: have to be terrified if you're a defensive coordinator their
Speaker 9: chunk plays, the big plays, I.
Speaker 8: Mean they will, they will.
Speaker 9: They'll route combo you to the point where you lose
Speaker 9: track of where your guy is. They'll make it confusing
Speaker 9: for you, will make it hard for you. And then
Speaker 9: you know you'll see a play like up the sideline
Speaker 9: where you know, ceedee, Lamb's wide open. You know they
Speaker 9: lose the Giants lose coverage with the route combination. Next
Speaker 9: thing you know, here's Lamb going up the sidelines. Ball
Speaker 9: Dak finds him. You know that kind of thing. So yeah,
Speaker 9: it if you're the if you're a defensive corner, that
Speaker 9: Carolina has to be worried about Dallas's ability to throw
Speaker 9: the football.
Speaker 8: And the run.
Speaker 9: I mean, if the if the Cowboys are running the
Speaker 9: ball and I hate to say this, it's almost a
Speaker 9: wasted play really, if you think about it, if you're
Speaker 9: if you're going to average lake, you know, three point
Speaker 9: a to carry on it or or something like that,
Speaker 9: it's almost a wasted play.
Speaker 2: And on average you're hitting six, seven, eight, and then
Speaker 2: Dak still the.
Speaker 8: Ball, Dack still the ball where he's nine yards shot
Speaker 8: throwing it. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Nah, I mean if you're you're scared to death of
Speaker 9: Dallas throwing the ball, you really are.
Speaker 6: And when he's completing seventy eighty percent of his throws,
Speaker 6: like that's a crazy percentage completion percentage number. But when
Speaker 6: he's up there in the seventies like it is, it's
Speaker 6: a situation where you take your chances three out of
Speaker 6: four times he's gonna connect on that pass. A run
Speaker 6: does tend to be a little bit like is it
Speaker 6: worth the run?
Speaker 8: Run? Right?
Speaker 9: I mean, if you run the ball or trying, if
Speaker 9: Dallas runs the ball against you, and you know you
Speaker 9: then they get just their average. You're okay with that?
Speaker 9: You know, you're not okay with giving up a thirty
Speaker 9: seven yard pass to Cooks, you know, or giving up
Speaker 9: a forty one yard pass to Gallop. You know you're
Speaker 9: not that, that's not that's not winning football right there.
Speaker 7: Well, let's be positive.
Speaker 8: You know me, what about the running game?
Speaker 10: You know me, I'm gonna say, no, I'm what I'm
Speaker 10: trying to say. If let's say, defenses are now focusing
Speaker 10: more in stopping the passing game and stopping CD Brendan Cooks,
Speaker 10: maybe that forces you to get better af freaking running
Speaker 10: the ball. You know, like now you're being forced to
Speaker 10: really really put a lot of And that's not to
Speaker 10: say that like they're not putting effort in trying to
Speaker 10: improve the running game and all of that, but by
Speaker 10: doing it. This is my focus in the first in
Speaker 10: the next two weeks really before we get to Seattle,
Speaker 10: because that's when things start getting interesting. But this next
Speaker 10: two weeks, it's a running game. How much can they
Speaker 10: improve And we've talked about it already yesterday, what that
Speaker 10: December month can look like and they have to they
Speaker 10: If that means someone's forcing them to run the ball
Speaker 10: to maybe force them to figure things out, then I
Speaker 10: would take that, obviously if it means a win at
Speaker 10: the end of the day. But they just they have
Speaker 10: to find some type of balance. I love, absolutely love
Speaker 10: everything they're doing in the passing game, but at some
Speaker 10: point you're going to have to be able to move
Speaker 10: the ball.
Speaker 8: Yeah on the ground, I hope I'm not hot taking this.
Speaker 8: I would start doubtle over Pollard is what I would do.
Speaker 9: I think there comes a point in time where if
Speaker 9: you can establish what you want to do ambar early
Speaker 9: in the game, all of a sudden you find a way,
Speaker 9: like Dawbell breaks a couple of runs. You know, it's
Speaker 9: it's a four and a half yard, it's a five yards,
Speaker 9: a seven yards and eight yard. You know, they're kind
Speaker 9: of running the ball that way. And I'm not saying
Speaker 9: it has to be like when Zeke was was here
Speaker 9: and then they'd put Tony in in the second series
Speaker 9: and all that. I'm not talking about that run it,
Speaker 9: run it, run it. Put Pollard in, run it, put
Speaker 9: Pollard in again. You know, kind of find a way
Speaker 9: to kind of find a little rhythm with the running game.
Speaker 9: It doesn't have to be a series the serious thing.
Speaker 9: But I think starting Pollard, I think Patrick's onto something
Speaker 9: about the pressure that Pollard is feeling about being the
Speaker 9: primary back, and we maybe if you allow doubt and
Speaker 9: this is the first time that Dowdell has been healthy throughout,
Speaker 9: you know, and knock on wood that it stays that way.
Speaker 9: But I kind of feel like though, that if you
Speaker 9: can find a little rhythm early in the game and
Speaker 9: get the offensive line a little some good feeling about
Speaker 9: and find a couple of plays that you can run
Speaker 9: that you know, okay, they can't.
Speaker 8: Stop this play today, kind of.
Speaker 9: Find that play, find those two or three plays, run
Speaker 9: those plays, and just kind of wear that team out
Speaker 9: doing it. But maybe Pollard being the starter is kind
Speaker 9: of put you back a little bit in your running game.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just think even if teams decide that they want
Speaker 6: to have more people in coverage and say we're gonna
Speaker 6: stop the passing game more, I'm still not certain that
Speaker 6: this running game is gonna get a big boost because
Speaker 6: one of the things I've seen, and I'd be interested
Speaker 6: to see if Brian you've seen the same thing when
Speaker 6: you've watched the film. But one of the things I've
Speaker 6: seen is it feels like there are a number of
Speaker 6: times when their runs aren't successful, and it's not because
Speaker 6: the guy didn't get to the second level. It's because
Speaker 6: engage with the guy. The lineman lineman sees you, they're
Speaker 6: holding you, they shed the block, they make the tack
Speaker 6: right like we've I've seen, It's not just it's not
Speaker 6: just a situation where if the linebacker's out of place,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, now the running game takes off.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: I don't know that that's necessarily the case, because I
Speaker 6: think right now, for me, a lot of the challenges
Speaker 6: with the running game exist with the offensive line just
Speaker 6: not sustaining blocks.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 9: I think you make a really good point because there,
Speaker 9: but I also remember, and you and I we all
Speaker 9: watched this play where the hole was inside on the Okay,
Speaker 9: they they're pulling guys, and you know, uh, Schoonmaker gets stalemated.
Speaker 8: Uh the uh.
Speaker 9: Gets knocked down. Smith gets kind of in muddy water there.
Speaker 9: He can't do what he needs to do. But all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, they've got the backside sealed off and
Speaker 9: there's a hole where he can hit that hole where
Speaker 9: Polar also goes into the fray, goes into the fray
Speaker 9: where if you just if you hit it a little
Speaker 9: quicker behind the scoop block that they had gotten there,
Speaker 9: then maybe there's a there's a six seven yard gain there.
Speaker 9: Poward's got to help the offensive line too, you know,
Speaker 9: if they if things are cluttered and muddied and all that.
Speaker 9: His vision and his quickness has got to be able
Speaker 9: to help the offensive line when it's not block clean.
Speaker 9: And that's where I think Daubtle's different. I think when
Speaker 9: it's not block clean, you can find it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 10: You're starting to become one dimensional and that's not good. Like,
Speaker 10: you have to be able to put on tape a
Speaker 10: few plays because right now, I don't think.
Speaker 8: Any nobody is scared of running a game.
Speaker 7: Exactly.
Speaker 10: Nobody's scared of you of the running game. Nobody is
Speaker 10: looking at that as a threat. So you have to
Speaker 10: put something on tape a few plays.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think that is the traditional way you look
Speaker 6: at football. But right now, if you go across the
Speaker 6: best teams in the NFL, which ones of them have
Speaker 6: a scary running attack?
Speaker 16: Uh?
Speaker 8: I think I would worry when you're about the top teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about the top teams in Miami.
Speaker 8: Miami scares me running the.
Speaker 6: Ball, by the way, Yes, you can put Miami that
Speaker 6: category just across the board. Their offense is scary everybody.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, question, Yeah, yeah, you get me one.
Speaker 2: But Kansas City, no, Philadelphia no.
Speaker 6: Like you go down the.
Speaker 10: Line, you have guys with names that you're like, oh, Baltimore,
Speaker 10: we have to.
Speaker 6: Be But Tony Pollard is that guy too. He has
Speaker 6: a name, Like he has a name, he hasn't. My
Speaker 6: point you said guys don't have a name. But my
Speaker 6: point is like, I don't think anybody's going into the
Speaker 6: game against Kansas City and saying, man, Pacheco, I don't know,
Speaker 6: I don't know we're gonna do with that Pacheco.
Speaker 8: Like, I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 6: I think there are a ton of teams out there
Speaker 6: that are at the top of the league that you
Speaker 6: look at their running game and you're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: you don't want you still need to stop the run
Speaker 6: because if you don't pay attention to them, maybe they
Speaker 6: can get some some gash runs on you. But the
Speaker 6: fact of the matter is their passing game is everything.
Speaker 9: I would I would think maybe I'm wrong about this.
Speaker 9: I believe there's a lot of defensive coordinators. Now we
Speaker 9: all talk about turnovers all the time. If you gave
Speaker 9: them a choice between having turnovers or not giving up
Speaker 9: chunk plays. They might say they'll take the chunk plays.
Speaker 9: Please don't let me give up chunk plays, you know,
Speaker 9: please don't let me turnovers. I mean, a lot of
Speaker 9: teams are to the point now where we just can't
Speaker 9: get people to turn it over. But we ain't gonna
Speaker 9: give up any big plays, you know. We're just not
Speaker 9: gonna let you. We're gonna make you. One thing teams
Speaker 9: have figured out with the Cowboys too is make them
Speaker 9: drive the ball. Make them drive the ball down the
Speaker 9: field and eventually and a lot of teams will make mistakes.
Speaker 9: They'll get a holding, you give them a sack, you know,
Speaker 9: you get a penalty.
Speaker 8: Something will stop a drive. You know.
Speaker 9: I think a lot of teams are kind of thinking
Speaker 9: of that about not just you know, playing the defense,
Speaker 9: not to give up huge chunk plays.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. We will be back tomorrow.
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