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Speaker 1: It's a nineteenth edition of our I should say, nineteenth

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Speaker 1: day of June twenty twenty three, and it's time for

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm nearly one

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Speaker 1: the what is this fucking guy? Just the absolute worst

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Speaker 1: human ever. It's it's Brian Campbell. Hey, Brian, Happy Father's

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Speaker 1: Day lately.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Luke. Also Juneteenth today, so federal holiday as well,

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Speaker 2: so celebrations rightfully, so Mike, Perry and beyond. Luke happy

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Speaker 2: to be here though, big fun, fun combat weekend. To

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Speaker 2: be fair, over the weekend had a hell of a

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Speaker 2: great Father's Day. I hope you did the same, Luke,

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Speaker 2: and all the other dear old dads out there, you know,

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Speaker 2: even Robert Thomas. Luke, I hope he had a great

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Speaker 2: Father's Day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he certainly did. He's actually gonna visit me this

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Speaker 1: week as well, so he's gonna have a great one.

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Speaker 1: I had a pretty pretty good one too. My wife

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Speaker 1: took me to something called uh Sumo and Sushi, and

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Speaker 1: it's the Sushi dinner where all these sumo guys from

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Speaker 1: they're still like with it kind of, and they did

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: That's that's awesome, luke I. I. You know, I had

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Speaker 3: You know, he didn't do ship for Father's Day?

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Speaker 1: Did you know?

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Speaker 2: That's all fun? It was. That was my call. I

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Speaker 2: They hate hiking, luke I have to like drag them,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds fun. Sounds miserable, but sounds fun, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was sweaty, but it was great. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well to your point, Bellatre on Friday. There was

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Speaker 2: Would be his legacy. Yep, absolutely absolutely, Hey, you know

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Speaker 3: How do you know that Instagram?

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Speaker 2: See? See I befriend these people. They do services for us.

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Speaker 1: on today's Morning Combat, we start with Beltor. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: so Va deem Nemkov basically outclassed Joel Romero for the

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Speaker 2: He looked absolutely fantastic. If there was any pause in

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Speaker 2: I think he is the best light heavyweight in the world.

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Speaker 2: Romer can still scare you, He can still test that chin.

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Speaker 2: And if Nemkov wasn't that dude Luke, he probably would

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you Domini put him away? It was

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Speaker 1: You know, Paulo Costa had like a wild fight with

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Speaker 1: He did not, Like there's a lot of people that don't.

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Speaker 1: we can't put away a two of five Romero who's

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Speaker 1: nearly fifty years old. There's some complicating factors there, but

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Speaker 2: Nobody Cavalcanti twelve years ago, back in Obama's first reign.

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Speaker 2: Nobody hurts this guy, Luke, I mean, come on, where's

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Speaker 2: this criticism coming from? Show me these people that you're

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Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of the pushback on your

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Speaker 2: I mean you you you go fishing more with your opinions,

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. The idea that Romero's going

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Speaker 1: So the question is what you want to do with him, BC.

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Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with the title heading forward whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And anymore belaboring on here, Luke would rob from the

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Speaker 2: That Sergio Pettis, who I already believed came out of

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Speaker 2: it was the complete game of Sergio Pettis, including on

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Speaker 1: exactly knowing how it was all gonna shake out when

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00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 1: he went down a weight class, Like what gifts was

432
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: he going to get? What pros and cons may there be?

433
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: He was rolling that dice, and he rolled it, and

434
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 1: Sergio Pettis looked like his timing was on point, his

435
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 1: takedown defense was on point, his circling was on point,

436
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 1: his shot selection was on point. He had Patricio Pitbull

437
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: for the first time I've ever seen confused, like he

438
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: could not figure out a way to get into range

439
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 1: without getting lit up or the other guy just moving away.

440
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: He could not find a way. Like you, He's able

441
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: to counterstrike, and he's got huge power at one forty

442
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: five and that disciplines everyone. He couldn't get any of

443
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: that going against Sergio Pettis. His game as we traditionally

444
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: understand it, and by the way, there's something to be

445
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 1: said for him being thirty five and a little bit

446
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: on the decline, But nevertheless, like his game as we

447
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: understand it, was nowhere to be found. Sergio Pettis took

448
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 1: away not merely the winning chances of pit bull, he

449
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 1: took away all of the conditions under which pit bull thrives.

450
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: And he did it from basically basically beginning to end. Again,

451
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 1: that fifth rounder was a little bit of hurry up

452
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: offense happening on the pit bull side, but that was

453
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: really about it. Both guys filling each other out early

454
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: by the second round. This was Anthony Excuse me, this

455
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: was Sergio Pettis's fight BC. It's hard for me to

456
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: say whether he's passed his brother at this point, but

457
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: I will say this, his stock as a credible top

458
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: fighter is as high as it's ever been.

459
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: It was not this high UFC at all.

460
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,239
Speaker 1: He has truly leveled up to a new level and

461
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: I was blown way by his performance.

462
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: It's always gonna be hard to surpass a brother who

463
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: was on a Weedy's box and was a champion in

464
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 2: two major league promotions. But this run, to your point,

465
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: has really established himself as his own entity. And you

466
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: can always say like nobody really talks or things like that,

467
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: like who cares, no they do? It matters to the fighters.

468
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: Why is Tim Zoo after his last two wins going say,

469
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: my motherfucking name, it's don't call me Hall of famer.

470
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: Costs used kid, right, Like, this matters to identity, to

471
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: to to the motivation you have, and whether that was

472
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: a big you know, can of chips on his shoulder

473
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: or not. Sergio has been able. I think to eclipse

474
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 2: that he's operating such a great run right now and

475
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 2: look at you know, there's some elements of the way

476
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 2: cut that limited pit Bull, but really, dude, it may

477
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: have been the disciplining. I mean, that spinning kick knocks

478
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: out most people, to be very fair, Pippull took it,

479
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: you know, but I think there was certainly you You

480
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: always wonder on some of those shots, Luke, if there's

481
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: if you're kind of you know, if you're kind of

482
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: cobwebbed the rest of the fight, and does that affect you.

483
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: I always like make the point of like Anthony Joshua

484
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: and the first Ruiz fight where he got rocked. Early

485
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: equilibrium off lingered for a couple of rounds, never quite

486
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: the same, either whether it was some element or that,

487
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: or the way cut or not. Pettis set up conditions

488
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: that made it very difficult for one of the best

489
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: fighters on the planet to operate and do what he does.

490
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just so brilliant because it's not

491
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: just oh he's quicker and speed was a major part

492
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: of his attacks. It's the full combination of his game.

493
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: It's the mental, the IQ and like I said, to

494
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: go through that mental barriers that he had a breakthrough

495
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 2: just to get to that point and execute like this

496
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: is saying something about how he's wired. But just such

497
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: a full, full bloom is the best way to say it.

498
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: Full Like he came full bloom in this fight and

499
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: really showed you the complete package. And look, I have

500
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: never even heard maybe this is the casual in the

501
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: exposed that the Pettist brother's father had been killed in

502
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 2: the way he was and you know how much that

503
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: had affected them. Is a tough family. Look, I got

504
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for these guys.

505
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: Both brothers have been I mean, the two Pettess brothers,

506
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: wec UFC and Bellator champs. Between the two of them, boy,

507
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty fucking good. That's you know, certainly, and

508
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: they're not the stars that the Diaz brothers are, right,

509
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: But in terms of title winning guys, in terms of

510
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: who they've beaten UFC or I A should say it

511
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: overall on MMA. Their records, well again, you know, Nate

512
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: and Nick have some pretty decent records too, but they've

513
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: got certainly not the blemish free records relatively speaking anyway,

514
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: that the Pettest brothers have, and they ultimately the same

515
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of They don't have the same kind of upside

516
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: in terms of the names either, given that the Pettest

517
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: brothers have all those titles to their name.

518
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: But I think your point is what is well stated.

519
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: BC like.

520
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: Pettis was faster.

521
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: Certainly like naturally, you could just tell he's much quicker

522
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: at one thirty five. Remember he's a flyweight who is

523
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: moving up to one thirty five at the stage of

524
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 1: his career. He obviously competed previously won twenty five, so

525
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: he's just naturally a little bit of a quicker guy.

526
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: But it was more than that. Man, his timing was

527
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: on point. Again, the tricks he was using to confuse

528
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: people could just not get a read on him. He

529
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: could not figure out, what can I do to get

530
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: my way to the inside where I can let you know,

531
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: my real boxing game go a little bit of kickboxing

532
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: from the outside it wasn't that. So just to say, oh,

533
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: because Pettis won on physical advantages, well, he definitely had some,

534
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: but that really wouldn't explain the win. What explains the

535
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: win is the combination of being the naturally more excuited

536
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: guy for bantamwait in addition to having the right game

537
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: plan executing on that night, confusing his opponent, really just

538
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: taking it to him.

539
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: And also he had a show a good chin. I

540
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw it. I wish I had

541
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: added it to have you seen this shit. There was

542
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: a video in the locker room where the two fighters

543
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: were embracing and talking afterwards and kind of saying, oh,

544
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: did I get you there? I hurt you, where Pettis

545
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: is like, man, you rocked me with those big right

546
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: hands a couple of times. So he really had to

547
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: show everything to get there. But look, here's the pun

548
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: for a reason. Million dollar follow up question, how much

549
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 2: did Pettis's performance against Pipull in your mind changed the

550
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: early betting odds for this unification as millionaire Patchy next

551
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 2: brings that interim crown in because this is already on

552
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: paper a fantastic fight, But what did this win on

553
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: Friday do for your interest in.

554
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: This A lot, a lot.

555
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: Again, he didn't just beat a name, you know what

556
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, yes, patusa people does have a name,

557
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: and he gets the value of the win by virtue

558
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: of that. But you know he didn't eke it out.

559
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't close like this was clearly one guy was

560
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: just way better. So my impressions of how good Sergio

561
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: Pettis is have gone up significantly now. I think Patchi

562
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: Mix is probably the guy to beat. I think in

563
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: the grappling department, he's gonna give Pettis a little bit

564
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: more trouble with the backpack style of carry and attack

565
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: that he can get. I also think, I mean looking

566
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: he did to Ralphie on Stotts, like he's no slouch

567
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: on the feet. But Pettis it, dude, would it? How

568
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: could you and I say, you and me together, like

569
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: how could we see the last three fights that Pettis

570
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: has had, including this one obviously on Saturday in particular,

571
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, Pettis is out of this. It

572
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: would seem absurd to say something like that. He is

573
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: very much in this careful manager of distance, great experience,

574
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: beating the best fighters of his career now in quick succession. Yeah,

575
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely capable of winning that contest. I'm

576
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: very high on PATCHI Mixing. He's different than pit Bull

577
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But this whole time BC

578
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: cards on the table, I thought Pitbull would win. Totally wrong.

579
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to a Pitbull PATCHI Mix fight

580
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: and PATCHI Mix on Friday's broadcast, even told them he

581
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: was looking forward to seeing Pitbull win because he wanted

582
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: to be the guy to beat him. But I gotta

583
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: tell you what, it's nice to see a young guns

584
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: tournament right two guys in there. I think Mix is

585
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: right at thirty, but you know, basically two guys thirty

586
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: and down or right right around that mark. Some of

587
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the younger names, so to speak, in this division finally

588
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: coming of age on the bellatore side, not so much

589
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: UFC and really beginning to take over. It's exciting. The

590
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: bell toour w one thirty five pound division is really, really,

591
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: really good. And I'm almost glad in a way that

592
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't someone coming down from one forty five who

593
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: took it over and were the guys who have been

594
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: there this whole time staking their claim.

595
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give the respect out of Pitbull. This didn't

596
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: go his way, but the guy's got huge balls, his

597
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: ambitious level of doing something so difficult at thirty five,

598
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: cutting down ten pounds, going to a division he's never

599
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: competed at before, after winning a second title twenty pounds higher,

600
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: and then being in this fight at times or at

601
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: least a threat level. Ultimately, it was Pettis's next level

602
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: performance that did a combination of discipline or limit him.

603
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: But Luke, we can stop with the talk to cutting

604
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: to one twenty five. It's not healthy and as we

605
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 2: saw here, it's not just easy to jump down. There

606
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: are limitations. We have to wonder if some of those limitations,

607
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: and Rashad used to always be honest, Rashad Evans and

608
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: talking to me when we did a podcast together about

609
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: if you cut down in weight, your punch resistance level,

610
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, with the oxygen available to your brain is

611
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: just not the same. That could have been part of

612
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: that where Pitbull was rocked by that big strike and

613
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: kind of never got back on track, but he never

614
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: stopped trying, Luke. But if there's one thing, and I

615
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: think Josie Aldo saw this cutting down to bantamweight just

616
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: the same. Your activity level cannot be the same over

617
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: five minutes per round that it is when you're not

618
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: as drained. So you know, does Pitople have a style

619
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: where he could compete here as a big heavy counterpuncher

620
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: with a good ground game. Yes, but you know it

621
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: robs from that horse power and that long you know,

622
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: and that stamina to be as great as he can be.

623
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily seem worth it to move on from here.

624
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

625
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I would say about Pitbull going to

626
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: one thirty five. He didn't look slow, but relative to

627
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: the best guy in that weight class right now anyway

628
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: in Belotoor he looked slow, you know what I mean.

629
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: He didn't look he didn't look objectively slow, but slow

630
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: enough for this contest. So that was a problem. BC.

631
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: Here's the biggest one to me. We know Pitbull has

632
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: dynamite power at one forty five, and as we saw

633
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: against Michael Chandler, pretty fucking good power one fifty five too.

634
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I haven't said it on Friday, and I would stand

635
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: by this of Volkanovsky, pit Bull and Max Holloway, who's

636
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: got the best punching power. It's Pitbull at one forty five,

637
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: no questions asked. His power looked drained to me at

638
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: one thirty five. He did not have the same pop.

639
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: And so if you don't have the same like you're

640
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: landing some of these dudes. He would land on pit

641
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Petis sometimes. I'm not saying they were insignificant, but dude,

642
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: normally when he lands on opponents, you can see the

643
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: fucking shock on their face, like, WHOA, what happened here?

644
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: They hadn't been hit like that. They begin to change

645
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: how they operate, They begin to change tactics, They get

646
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: a little further away, They don't want any piece of that.

647
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: It becomes a real problem. He could not discipline Sergio

648
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Pettis that way even when he was landing. So he's

649
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: getting hit when he does land it's not having the

650
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: same effect, and it's getting harder and harder to just

651
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: defind the target. Dude, he was up against it to

652
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: the The one thing I will stand by on Friday's

653
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: analysis beyond this is when you ask, like, hey, he's

654
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: already saying, what about going to one twenty five? Dude,

655
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: forget it, forget it or get it. The question is

656
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: that as at thirty five years of age. And by

657
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: the way, BC, the thirty five year old demarcation line

658
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: strikes again from one twenty five to one seventy. We

659
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: talked about it with a Henry Shudo fight coming back

660
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: about how difficult that record is. Only two wins in

661
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: UFC in that space for title winning fighters would be

662
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Tyburn Woodley here at thirty five years of age. Again,

663
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: producer people comes up short. So it's interesting that thirty

664
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: five is this sort of bizarre demarcation line. But BC,

665
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: I think he needs to go back to one forty

666
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: five defend his title. I don't know how much longer

667
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: he's got at the top in that weight class, and

668
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: then after that it's fun fights for him, really, is

669
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: you know? Of the way because going to this, this

670
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: triple champ effort is uh is a is a no

671
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: go completely at this point.

672
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, unless he said, this is the only

673
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: thing I care about the rest of my career, I'm

674
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: going to build my body at a maintenance level where

675
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: I can pull this off, and even if I'm diminished

676
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: from what I can be above, it still matters to

677
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: me if you want to do that. Could he compete here? Maybe?

678
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: But the question is it worth it? He already has

679
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: a title at featherweight, and even though his chief rival

680
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: of the moment, AJ McKee is operating at one fifty

681
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: five in that tournament, I still think the Aaron Pico

682
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: fight matters and could be, you know, as big of

683
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: a deal as possible here in terms of two big

684
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: names coming together. And uh, Pico does have a scheduled fight,

685
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: but if he wins that Luke and and moves further

686
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: out of the shadow of that shoulder injury weirdness against Kennedy, Uh,

687
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: it's time to make that And I think that's a

688
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: that's a fantastic fight in certainly worth staying around for.

689
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, you got you gotta capitalize from there. I will.

690
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: I will say moving forward, I love that stat about

691
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: thirty five and over, but Luke, portions of our fan

692
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: base have flooded my DM saying Luke will use this

693
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: comment on Monday, so you better be ready to roast him.

694
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to roast you, but I would like

695
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: a hand check when you deliver that that that stat

696
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: next time, because it's it's it gives you a forty

697
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 2: nine times level of sick passion into your face that

698
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: some people misread as you know, as you being like

699
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: rape and stuff, and you know, you just you're just

700
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: a passion to members. You're a numbers guy, Luke the

701
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: over thirty five.

702
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: I don't even say what you're talking about.

703
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: Oh, some some people that are anti Luke or like,

704
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, this is one of Luke's you know, most

705
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: annoying tropes. I think that status is it's.

706
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: Still thirty five year old age marker thing.

707
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

708
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, like people people see the passion in your face

709
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: when you deliver it and they get I don't think

710
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: it creeped out or intimidated, Luke. It's weird, you.

711
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Know, I never I mean, this is what I'm saying

712
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: about some of my like some of my people who

713
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: don't like me just don't like me for the views

714
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is fine. I mean that's inevitable, Like

715
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: not everyone's gonna like you. It's something like this that

716
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, here's an interesting stat that I find

717
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: fun to talk about. This is what this is what

718
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: makes me an asshole. I'm just trying to understand here, Like.

719
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: That's a yeah, you can't win, Luke. You can't. You

720
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: can't beat the internet. You can't.

721
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: This is this is what I mean about, like, you know,

722
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: detractors on the internet. It's like, dude, there's plenty of

723
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: them that have, like, you know, occasionally like very smart

724
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: things to say, like we're all stupid people, we all

725
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: do stupid shit, but like, liking this statistic is an

726
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: interesting thing to talk about, like especially when your host

727
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: shows like this, like this is a this is why

728
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: you just like, okay, dude, Like I don't take any

729
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: of these fucking jamokes seriously. For two sys, that's.

730
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: Why you won't be our audience. I understand it.

731
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Luke, Right, dude, You're so wrong about this. I've talked

732
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: to so many people in the in my d ms

733
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: that are are members of our audience. I'm just like,

734
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do with someone who is

735
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: so fucking dumb that they think harping on this as

736
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: like some kind of cudgel to beat me over the

737
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: head with is a interesting or otherwise bright way of

738
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: attacking me. Like I don't, I don't, I literally don't

739
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: even understand its. Like, dude, you know he fucking likes

740
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: he likes fucking vanilla ice cream. Dude, what the fuck?

741
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: Like what am I yeah, I do. Like what am

742
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: I supposed to do about that? I don't that's a

743
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: disreputable thing.

744
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, because one of my sons loves vanilla. It's his

745
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: favorite ice cream by far, and I always call him basic, Luke,

746
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: And is that your favorite?

747
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: No? I, I it's actually not my favorite. But I

748
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: end up eating a little bit of it because it's

749
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: two Ky's favorite, and so she never finishes it, so

750
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I end up just He ends.

751
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: Up countering that there's like six different flavors of vanilla

752
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: within the Vanilla universe, Luke, And you know that's.

753
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Sort of true, but it's a little overstated. That's not

754
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: good enough reason to only eat vanilla all the time.

755
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: I'll say that, you know anyway, neither here nor there

756
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: on that point. BC. Okay, so we got the peticide pitbull,

757
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: thirty five years of age. Whatever you want to make

758
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: of that, it is pretty close. It is pretty clear

759
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: that whatever his title future is at one forty five,

760
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I bet Bellatre is looking for, like, hmm, who's the

761
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: next one? You like? The Peico fight next? Oh? Yeah,

762
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see which way it goes in the NBCA.

763
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: Hey quickly, Luke, I wanted to get your take on that.

764
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Gutsy not gutsy in terms of bravery, but Cory Anderson

765
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: really had to gut out a technical battle with Phil

766
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: Davis and make sure he hit high notes to win

767
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: the judges favor. It's a split decision a lot of

768
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: times against Phil Davis. At the elite level, that's what happens.

769
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: But I was really impressed by you know, I wondered

770
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: if he would do it by going balls out and

771
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: trying to make it a fight. He instead met Davis

772
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: technically at each stop, but was more active, and I

773
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: thought that was a difference.

774
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Man, here's the guy. I mean, we talked about it

775
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: with Romero, but it's really true with Phil Davis. Dude,

776
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: it is hard to look good against Phil Davis because

777
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: Romero at least was very hittable. Phil Davis is not

778
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: very hittable. And Corey Anderson was finding ways at certain

779
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: times to kind of put hands on him, but nothing

780
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: ever like super hardcore ever Lands, and at least it's

781
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: just hard to get sustained offense against a guy like that.

782
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: Plus he can wrestle, plus he can slow down the fight.

783
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: He avoids contact. That is an advantageous BC to your point.

784
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: We were talking about this when we were watching the fight.

785
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: A lot of Phil Davis's striking is just to make

786
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: contact and exit, like it's almost literally point fighting. He's

787
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: not actually trying to knock you out. And I know

788
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: that's not pleasing to the fans. I'm not saying it

789
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: should be or like super smart. We have to love it.

790
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: It's hard for the opponent to do anything with that.

791
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: It's touched and quite literally go. But it's not touched

792
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: to set up a big shot later or a big punch.

793
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: It just is this kind of like tag you're it.

794
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: It's frustrating to fight a guy like that. For Corey

795
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Anderson to get his hand raised, man, this is what

796
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: it means. Like does Corey Anderson beating Phil Davis mean

797
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: he's going to beat Vitem Nemkov? No? Does it mean

798
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: that he is in the upper upper upper tier and

799
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: probably should get a title shot against Nemkov soon? Yes,

800
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: it does. If you can beat even a thirty eight

801
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: year old Phil Davis, especially as like kind of thoroughly

802
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: ish as Corey did it, that is extremely impressive in

803
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: my view.

804
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think look, there's a storyline there

805
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: in the Nemcov thing it would be a trilogy. The

806
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: first fight no contest, but we all felt like Anderson

807
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: had figured something out, Luke, that nobody else has really

808
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: been able to figure out. I mean, Phil Davis made

809
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: fights difficult for Nemkov, but in this Belator run, who

810
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: has really put Nemcoff behind or silenced some of what

811
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: he does? Great? That was Corey Anderson. There didn't show

812
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: it in the rematch. You got to give them kof

813
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: that credit. But if that's where we're headed, Luke, I'm

814
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: here for that.

815
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: You Yeah, No, I honestly like I knew that was

816
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of thought Phil might get it done.

817
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: By the way thirty eight we talk about film just

818
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: as second. But Corey Anderson's pressure, Corey Anderson's pace, his

819
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: offensive and frankly defensive wrestling ability, his ability to create

820
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: scrambles was really good. I just think that he was

821
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: his level of activity, his movement, just the amount of

822
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: work that he does. Like Phil, I'm not gonna say

823
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: he's lazy. Even look at it me. He looks like

824
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: he's in tremendous condition, but he doesn't have like a

825
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: high work rate style Corey does. And I think in

826
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the end that kind of won out last thing on

827
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: Phil Davis PC thirty eight years of age, dude, he

828
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: was this was his fifteenth bellatur fight, they announced on

829
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: the broadcast. He only had thirteen fights in UFC. He

830
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: has officially fought more for Bellator than he did with UFC.

831
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: And what's interesting to be see is he kind of

832
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: came over as this really kind of splash signing and

833
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: I think obviously won a title on early on he

834
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: was he was doing a lot of media. Dude, I

835
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time I've seen a Phil Davis interview.

836
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I swear to god, I cannot remember the last time

837
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: I've seen one. At thirty eight years of age. He's

838
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: clearly not out of it, but he's not going to

839
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: win a title either. It's an interesting, strange legacy he's

840
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: had in the sport. It is.

841
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: It is because like you wouldn't call him marketable, but

842
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: yet I've enjoyed interviewing him at times. And you remember

843
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: that I think your referenced that press campaign Delatour did

844
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: when he was champion to try to almost put him

845
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: in these like comedic skits like he's kind of an

846
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: interesting dude and has a legitimate background of elite national

847
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: championship pedigree at Penn State, but Luke like never able

848
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: to sustain that into let's be honest, a very good

849
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: fighter in some categories sometimes look like he was angling

850
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: toward greatness but never became truly great, because I think

851
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: we all have had this opinion like there's an extra

852
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: gear that he's just never been able or willing to activate.

853
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Is that fair, Luke? I mean there's some like there's

854
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: some not disrespect, but sort of keyboard warrior. Yeah, man

855
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: tell everybody to just go guns blaze, And that's not

856
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm just saying more offensive intention. Could

857
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: that have made him great? Luke? When he looked back

858
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: on on on, I mean he was, you know, he

859
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: gives he great fighters, really tough nights, but I don't

860
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: feel like he ever gives himself the best chance to win.

861
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: So what's interesting about that is, I mean, let's look

862
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: at his losses, right.

863
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 3: You could definitely say that about the Cory Anderson fight.

864
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: To an extent, you can say that about both Nemcov

865
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: fights less so the first one, first one, he kind

866
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: of took it to him a little bit, and then

867
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: lost in the end the Ryan Batter fight in New

868
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: York City. Both of them didn't do much, so you

869
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: couldn't really you know, I think it fits your theory.

870
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: There's the Ryan Batter fight on UFC on Fox fourteen.

871
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: I've forgotten that one. I'm assuming it's gonna be pretty

872
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: similar to Anthony Johnson Anthony excuse me, Anthony Johnson fight.

873
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: That was the one in Baltimore where he was kind

874
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: of like showing him up and he got kind of

875
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: hit on the feet and then it was very hesitant.

876
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: To attack after that.

877
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: Now, in fairness, Rumbul can crack like nobody could, so

878
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: I understand being hesitant there, but I'm just pointing out.

879
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: And then he lost to Rashad Evans as well. Like

880
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: every time he had one of these fights, not so

881
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: much against a big name, because he beat Glover, he

882
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: beat Leoto, he'd beat Mola Wall, he beat some good names.

883
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of pointing out there been these times

884
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: where he had to step up and really kind of

885
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: use a broader array of offensive skills that he just

886
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't necessarily work on. He was interesting because

887
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: he came around at a time BC when there was

888
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: like two of five is at a history of like

889
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: really good wrestlers being a part of it for a

890
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: very long time. Randy Katour obviously he can go back

891
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: further than that, but he was kind of the next

892
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: wave of that, and he was really good at submissions

893
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: and he was good obviously at wrestling as well, Like

894
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: when he put away Augustafson. He remember he choked him

895
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: out inside of a round. Ye, right, So he was

896
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: this new combo. But the game never got developed past that.

897
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: It just kind of was that, and he had enough

898
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: skills on the feet to avoid getting banged up too much,

899
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: and he just kind of rode that for the next

900
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: like ten years, and it weren't for the most part,

901
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: but not enough.

902
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to be negative. He was the

903
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: Belator champion. He's beaten big names, but a lot of

904
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: times that's when he can dictate the terms. He's great.

905
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: He's great on top in that regard, you know, like

906
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: he's great running downhill in control of a fight because

907
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: he's in such great shape. His defensive you know, foundation

908
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: is so strong. But man, the thing that we always

909
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: say when he does lose close fights against the elite

910
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: typically is man if he was just busier, if he

911
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: was just you know, looking more to do damage with

912
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: his strikes rather than as an in between or I

913
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: mean most of his strikes are defensive based, Luke in

914
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, I don't know. I mean there

915
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: have been fights you mentioned that first and them call

916
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: fight he was more aggressive than normal. But is it

917
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: like like that that's a lot not taking that extended

918
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: damage has allowed him in a lot of ways to

919
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: have this great run of consistency that I think he

920
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: deserves respect for. I mean, nobody puts in harder work.

921
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: You see the shape he comes in. But like, is

922
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: it fear that if he gets into a war the

923
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: chin won't be there? I don't know, you know, there's

924
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: something blocking him in some degree from trying to be

925
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: the most dominant version of himself.

926
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I think he makes a good check and I think

927
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: if he feels like at thirty eight years of age,

928
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't have a whole lot of time left,

929
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: why not just fight safely with the time you have

930
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: remaining and you know, have your brain in when you're done.

931
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't think that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why what

932
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: he's thinking. All right, let's go to UFC. If we

933
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: can topic number three, how about Jared Cannoneer. So starts

934
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: out a little bit rough for him in the first

935
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: roundings he's playing with stance, but by the second round

936
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: on he was in a groove. He beat the bud

937
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: Jesus out of Marvin Vttori by the time this fight

938
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: was over. In fact, I want to talk about in

939
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Votori's chin in just a minute. B see. But here's

940
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: the question, no doubt a good performance for Jared Cannoneer,

941
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: not arguing anything otherwise. My question is not that, rather

942
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: how much did this meaningfully improve his chances of getting

943
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: a title shot, which is what he says he ultimately

944
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: really just wants.

945
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it helps. I think his problem is that

946
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: Danas sort of already identified the pathway for Duplessy if

947
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: he can upset Whittaker on July eighth, or let's say,

948
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: if Whittaker, you know, smears the African potential champion across

949
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: the canvas, do we go into a trilogy there? That's

950
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: that's a sexier fight for the motion than going back

951
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: to Cannoneer. But did Cannonir do everything in his power

952
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: to give himself the best chance to either crash that

953
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: party or still maintain a hold in terms of being

954
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: in line to get back there to the title. Yeah, man,

955
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: you heard him say in the broadcast talking about in

956
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: the announcers that this was his best camp of his

957
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: career in terms of the amount of work he put

958
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: in and the aggressiveness that he showed. Could he have

959
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: that same success offensively against Atta Sonya or Whittaker. No,

960
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: because it's style dependent, and in this case, victory is

961
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: there to be hit in a lot of ways. But

962
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: what held back Cannoneer the most against Ada Sonya He

963
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: wasn't offensive enough to give himself a chance, you know,

964
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: outside of one big shot to put a dent in there,

965
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: to have a chance to either outpoint or stop and

966
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: finish Izzy at the very least from a confidence level

967
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: and certainly from reputation. I think he repaired a lot

968
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: of that because anybody else gets knocked out in this face,

969
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: most likely from Cannonir. And on top of that, Luke

970
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Cannoner had to show a chin early on and a

971
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: recuperative ability right away after getting visibly rocked by victories.

972
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: So I was really happy with with his performance, with

973
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: the fact that this fight was everything you said, it wasn't, Luke.

974
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: So I want to throw it back to you may

975
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: a couple you know, Oma.

976
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Palmind me, now, remind me, don't tell me about the

977
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: tenor of what I said. Remind me exactly what I said.

978
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: Uh you No, I don't. I don't speak in absolutes, Luke. Okay,

979
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing.

980
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: You mean, you mean factual statements. Tell me exactly what.

981
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm more about feeling than I'm more about feeling, Luke,

982
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: all right, and what I felt in that moment, I mean,

983
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was gonna be a you were

984
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: you were basically, Luke. I mean, I won't show you

985
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: my I won't show you my package, but you were.

986
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: You were willing to urinate on this matchup. And and

987
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: I get it in this current season, you know, was

988
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: this card musty TV?

989
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Nah?

990
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: Nah?

991
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Bro? Here's the point about fight. I mean, was it

992
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: more exciting that I had probably indicated? Yes, of course

993
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: it was. I mean I won't.

994
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: I won't sit there and fight you on that.

995
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: But like, this is the point about this fight, and

996
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: then these cards more generally, it's like it's nothing. You

997
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: don't learn anything from it, or that there isn't the

998
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: capacity for excitement on occasion, right, because that is true,

999
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: That is true, and so there can be a certain

1000
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of you know, dismissiveness among people like us. That

1001
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: is unfair. All right, fair enough, I'll take that out. However, like,

1002
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: here's my problem with this fight an answer to the question,

1003
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: here's my answer. Did it move Cannon are closer to

1004
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: a title shot? I mean maybe technically, but not realistically, right,

1005
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: that's the problem. And it was really bad for Marvin Vittori,

1006
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in just a second. Now, that's

1007
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: not cannoneer's fault. Cannon actually did a great job and

1008
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: making it really bad, but he didn't meaningfully improve his

1009
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: chances while it was really bad for Marvin. More to

1010
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: the point, it was like, did this fight actually need

1011
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: to happen? In other words, could middleweight have moved forward?

1012
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: But you know, could not have moved forward rather but

1013
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: for this fight happening. And the answer, of course is no.

1014
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: So my point being is like what really was on

1015
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: value had guys who are known as decision machines, which

1016
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: you got here as well. Although it be at a

1017
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: one sided one, it just happened to be a little

1018
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: bit more exciting because one guy was not up to

1019
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: par fair enough. If that's better for you, great, but

1020
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't really change the broader problem of what these

1021
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: kinds of fights are and what that says about the matchmaking.

1022
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I'm just not super high

1023
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: on it.

1024
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: If this is about matchmaking, and it seems to be

1025
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Luke, not either some

1026
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: sick grudge you have against anybody, or you just not

1027
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: being willing to understand that these two guys were going

1028
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: to come in hungry and want to really hold their

1029
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: spot and to do that sometimes you gotta they were

1030
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: willing to do that. They were both willing to let

1031
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: it all hang out, Luke, at the end of the day,

1032
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: in that hunger, it matter we.

1033
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: See this for Cannonear. Dude, cannon Ear did show me something,

1034
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: I will say a little bit new, like like we

1035
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: knew that Vittori was hit able, but guys have been

1036
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: a little bit hesitant to stand in there with him. Dude,

1037
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: fucking Cannoneer just by the time, like the third round

1038
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: was going right, just marched into him. At times you

1039
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: could see he put a hand on him, throw a

1040
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: punch with the other hand and then come over with

1041
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: the elbow on that one, like he was right there

1042
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: in his face. That's a level of guts that you

1043
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: just don't see from a lot of guys. So I

1044
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: definitely tipped my cat to Jared Cannon my cap Kennon

1045
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: ear like. There was nothing accidental about the way he

1046
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: won this one. Whatsoever?

1047
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Okay, critical tru or false question based on this performance,

1048
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: because I do think this was a even though he

1049
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: had a fight in between this fight and the Asasnya fight,

1050
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: I think this was the fight where he kind of

1051
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: kicked kicked out all the remaining demons of the AUSNYA fight,

1052
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: like he was willing to take the risk. Do you

1053
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: think at his age right now, that Cannonir has come

1054
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: to terms with the decision that if I get a

1055
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: second chance, I'm willing to get ko you know, you know,

1056
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm willing to get wiped up to go after it.

1057
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take to risk it all for the

1058
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: ultimate prize. I felt like there was some sea change

1059
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: in the way he looks at this.

1060
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a little something to that. I mean,

1061
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: the question is whether that will matter in the end,

1062
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: right based on skills, but again, did this performance was

1063
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: really admirable from Jared Kennoner. I grant that completely. I

1064
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: grant that he had a little trouble adjusted and had

1065
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: ultimately like once he fixed some of the problems with

1066
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: the stance and everything and which decided to go, he

1067
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: was off to the races. He was like, could you

1068
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: really say that Jared Kennoneer didn't do enough to put

1069
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: Marvin Victory away? He did more than enough for the

1070
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: typical opponent, Marvin Tory just happens to be made out

1071
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: of cement or some shit, right, Like.

1072
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did middleweight record for combined power shots landed, right.

1073
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, truly a math a statistical anyway, historic

1074
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: performance for this division, Like just absolutely fucking shocking and

1075
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: to the point that we were talking about previously, in

1076
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: the kind it was he didn't like kick him to death.

1077
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: I mean it was in his goddamn face he was

1078
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: doing this. So yeah, I take that. I take that

1079
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: as real. I take him as maybe exercising some demons

1080
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: and maybe he needed to do that. Would you pick

1081
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: him over is he would you pick him over Whittaker?

1082
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't though, No.

1083
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: But with an injury that he had against Whittaker, he

1084
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: still remained dangerous enough to you know, hurt Whittaker in

1085
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: that third round and at least create an opening opportunity.

1086
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he he will have learned now

1087
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: the ultimate lesson of losing to both of those two

1088
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: all time greats out of Sonya and Whittaker again, that

1089
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: if he's gonna beat them, if he gets the second chance,

1090
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to risk at all. He's gonna have

1091
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: to be more offensive. He's gonna have to put himself

1092
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: in more positions where something could happen, regardless of the

1093
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: risk that that takes. Not an easy proposition for anybody,

1094
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: especially when you're as technically skilled as Cannoneer. And I

1095
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: do give him a lot of credit for the added

1096
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: work he does. Nobody comes in their better shape and

1097
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: he you know, he's got a very good striking game

1098
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: in that regard. But Luke, here's the million dollar question again.

1099
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: I put I ask all the hard questions in your direction.

1100
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: Will Cannoneer get that second title shot, will it happened,

1101
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: or will he end up losing to a number one

1102
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: contender or what? What is your take on this?

1103
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I think if is he yeah, I think if is

1104
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: he wins, probably not his next fight. I guess we'll

1105
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: see how that goes. I'm gonna guess probably not. I'm

1106
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: gonna guess probably. I mean, history is littered with guys

1107
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: who get the one title shot, they underperform, and then

1108
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: they are desperately seeking a second one and it just

1109
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: doesn't work. I'm gonna I'm going couldn't rule it out.

1110
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: But you're asking me, gun to my head, which way

1111
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: would I pick? I would pick against him not getting it. Yeah,

1112
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: just just just based on how if passed his prologue,

1113
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: then that's the way that this typically goes, unfortunately.

1114
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: For him, unless, you know, unless Robert Whittaker beats Izzy

1115
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: when they fight for the fifteenth time, Luke, and then

1116
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: suddenly you're like, man, I could see that cannon near

1117
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: fight again, you know.

1118
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the question, what kind of chance are

1119
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: you given? I know you're gonna pick Whittaker, because anyone

1120
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: with the brain would pick Whittaker, But how much of

1121
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: a chance are you giving Duplessy, I'm not okay, let

1122
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: me say this, Let me say this.

1123
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me hear me out.

1124
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: Hear me out.

1125
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: I mean, any man with two hands Luke right right,

1126
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: you know.

1127
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, you would never ever ever pick

1128
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Duplessy over Whittaker if they were both healthy and like

1129
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: you're positing that nothing stupid happens.

1130
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: A thing happened. Yes, Emma, is like the most dangerous

1131
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: fricking sport even compared to boxing in terms of you

1132
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: could lose a fifty different there's fifty ways to leave

1133
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: your lover, Luke in this in this case, right, you

1134
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But dude, I'm on such a

1135
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: Paul Simon run right now. I know you don't want

1136
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: to talk about this. Good Lord, I forgot how great

1137
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: that seventies run was. Back to this, Luke. Yeah, dude,

1138
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: ten out of ten times, Wicker is gonna gonna clean up.

1139
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: Dude, Okay, I'll just say this, I'm picking Whittaker. I

1140
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: will never change that. What I will say is Duplessy

1141
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: is enough of a spaz where weird shit can happen. Nah,

1142
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: and you, Yeah, weird shit can happen, Dude. He does

1143
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: the most random shit, like do you?

1144
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe this is echoing our conversation about

1145
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Juliana Pania's chances against newness and you fight in the

1146
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, as as the resident h Latin fauci yourself, Luke,

1147
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: you fought the good battle. You were right, anythink could

1148
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: happen in this cage. This ain't that fight, Luke, This ain't.

1149
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: Thing all right, all right, all right. Nevertheless, let's talk

1150
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: about victory for just a second. BC.

1151
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: Simple question, what what does he.

1152
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: Do from here based on the situation that he's in,

1153
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: given his age where he needs to go, give me

1154
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: a state, give me a state of things, and how

1155
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: to get to a better place.

1156
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is this, This isn't the first time

1157
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: in recent memory that I feel like we've been in

1158
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: this conversation. This like, oh man, you know, when he

1159
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 2: gets to that highest level, nobody tries harder, nobody's more durable,

1160
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And he was stupidly durable. I mean

1161
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: insanely durable, and I don't mean stupid like it was

1162
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 2: a bad decision. He almost looked like you rock cannon

1163
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: here again late in that fight, like he's he just

1164
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: we don't look at him as a one punch striker.

1165
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't have plus level in any category, it seems,

1166
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 2: but will and resistance, which shouldn't be looked over. It's

1167
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: just we're still where we already were in terms of

1168
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: where are those next level improvements to at least hone

1169
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: in on one skill. Like I get that he's well

1170
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: rounded enough and so durable that against second rate guys

1171
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: he can kind of outlast them or in some cases

1172
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: stop them. And he's got a wrestling ability. I mean,

1173
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: he's a good ass fighter, but he's trying to be

1174
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: great fighter, and you know what he has right now,

1175
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: it's just not gonna work, Luke, and I think the

1176
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: problem is that we are now revisiting the same conversation,

1177
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: only he just took a middleweight record of concussive blows

1178
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: to get to this point. How much does that slow

1179
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: him down? Set him back? He's young enough where he

1180
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: could still make the biggest run of his career by

1181
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: maximizing all of the you know, everything he's got. And

1182
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about who Marvin Vatory is,

1183
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: but he is just not elite in the areas where

1184
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: the fights mostly take place on the feet. And the

1185
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: main reason outside of a lack of one strike finishing power,

1186
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is his defense and head movement is

1187
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: atrocious for the elite level. And maybe it's the chin

1188
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: that has allowed him to you know, go the distance

1189
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: against at Asania in a title fight and remain a threat.

1190
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: But that doesn't last. It's not gonna last forever. And

1191
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: I think this fight, you know, that has to take

1192
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: a you know, in the career power bar, that's got

1193
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: to take off a chunk. There's no question about that. Luke.

1194
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: He can't win against the best guys in the world

1195
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: when he's there to be hit that often, that cleanly,

1196
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: that consistently. I love his warrior spirit, I love his backbone.

1197
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: I mean it's commendable, but it's nearing that point where

1198
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: it's commendable to a fall. I mean it might be

1199
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: past that point. To be fair, he can't win under

1200
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: the way it is structured right now at this level.

1201
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen.

1202
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I actually feel like this could

1203
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: be a really good opportunity for him. And here's what

1204
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean. Obviously, getting your ass kicked is terrible, and

1205
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: I want to say this just on health terms, forget

1206
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: anything else, just on health terms. After all that abuse

1207
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: he took, he needs to take some time off, like

1208
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: some real time off.

1209
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: Honestly, six months.

1210
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: To me would be insufficient to be quite, to be

1211
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: perfectly candid with you. I'm talking nine months a year,

1212
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: potentially even longer than.

1213
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: That, for two reasons.

1214
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: One is, I just indicated the brain health and everything

1215
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: else like that was a car crash he was in.

1216
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: You need to take some time to be in recovery

1217
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: mode for that reason. But the bigger one iSBC we

1218
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: had seen this in his last fight against the LEDs,

1219
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: which was that given his youth and he's so fucking

1220
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: naturally perfect for this weight class. He's huge, and he's tough,

1221
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: and we can say this very clearly, that's an all

1222
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: time chin performance in MMA history, certainly in that middleweight division.

1223
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: I mean, that guy took dude.

1224
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: Cannoneer is not a soft touch guy.

1225
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 3: At one to eighty five.

1226
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: Cannoneer was hitting Vittori so hard when he was throwing

1227
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: the right he would lose his balance after landing on

1228
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: him because he was just hauling off as hard as

1229
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: he could. inventorI sit there and took it. I mean,

1230
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: and this didn't happen once or twice. A seppened several

1231
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: times through the course of that five rounds, So an

1232
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: all time legendary chin performance. I tipped my hat to him.

1233
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: But this is the thing I wanted him to do.

1234
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: After I think it was the Whitaker fight PC, it

1235
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: was clear that like he needed, he's He's good at

1236
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot of things. He's not great at anything. If

1237
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: he really wants to be well, I think is still

1238
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: actually his potential, but who he wants to be. It

1239
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: is not a simple sorry sorry, It's not a difficult equation.

1240
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to get there, but it's a simple equation.

1241
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: You have to be good at everything. You have to

1242
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: be great at one thing. That's it. You cannot be

1243
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: champion if in the Ultimate Fighting Championship in twenty twenty

1244
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: three or twenty twenty four or anytime in the near future.

1245
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: If you are not great at something, take the time

1246
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: to both heal up here and take the time to

1247
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: work on the craft. Then come back against a more

1248
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: reasonable opponent when you're ready. Forget his fucking ranking, forget

1249
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: his positioning. All of that is smoking mirriage. You're not

1250
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: holding on to anything at this point. That doesn't matter.

1251
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: What only matters is skill development. With the time that

1252
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: he has remaining, which is still at this point BC

1253
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: pretty significant.

1254
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: That's it. That's the only thing he has to do.

1255
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always said we you know it's hard.

1256
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: It's like, would you rather him just be a full

1257
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: time striking spas. No, he's still going to open himself

1258
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: up without any kind of defensive foundation to be even

1259
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: more likely to be hit. I mean, would you like

1260
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: him to see to lean into the wrestling look and

1261
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: use all that that? I mean, he's in great shape,

1262
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: he got a great motor, The will is next level.

1263
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: I mean, would you like to see him more as

1264
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: just a grind you to the ground, grounded pound specialist.

1265
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: That's got to be a better path than the one

1266
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: he's doing now.

1267
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. I think you'd

1268
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: have to find that himself. You have to figure out

1269
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: does he want to put his energy into wrestling? Is

1270
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: that something he can scale for twenty five? Does he

1271
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: want to get better at boxing? Does what does he

1272
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: want to get better at? Does he want to get

1273
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: better at the clinch? Does he want to get mean

1274
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: he needs to sort of figure out where he wants

1275
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: to do his best work, Like what is going to

1276
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: be your I'm I'm changing the termam, but what's going

1277
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: to be your safe place in a fight when I

1278
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: what's the safe place for Isy. It's at kickboxing range, right,

1279
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: That's where he can see, he can think, he can

1280
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: calculate for habib, wrap the legs, you gotta risk. That's

1281
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: the place where he can begin to That's his home

1282
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: base where he can begin to operate. Victori needs to

1283
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: figure out what that is, lean into that completely, and

1284
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: then just go in that direction as far as he

1285
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: possibly can, because if he just has what he has, now,

1286
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: yeah you're gonna beat You're gonna beat good guys, but

1287
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: you're just he's only twenty nine years of age. By

1288
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: the way, dude, I want you to understand something. Marvin

1289
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: Vittori is younger than Sergio Pettis. He's fucking younger than

1290
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: Sergio Pettis. I mean, just understand that, Like, this is

1291
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: the kind of guy we're talking about here. He still

1292
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of time on his side to get better.

1293
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: But unless he really really steps out out of competition

1294
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: for just a moment and invests in the skill development,

1295
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: I just don't see how that's I don't tell me

1296
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: how we get from what we've got to where he

1297
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: wants to go without that. That's the part I just

1298
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: don't see I just don't see how you get there.

1299
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, or just get divorced, Luke. That seems

1300
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: to be a good thing. Lately fighters are having their

1301
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: best performances. Ever. It's like, what's your best rock album?

1302
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: The one that I wrote during my divorce? You know

1303
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: what I mean? That's that's art, Luke.

1304
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: I guess all right. You see question number four for you,

1305
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: Topic number four. So armnso Yukin was back in action

1306
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: BC and he did score a third round finish over

1307
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: Joaquim Silva. Look pretty good actually if you just watched

1308
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: the final beating that took place. But let me ask

1309
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: you this, did he impress you here or did he

1310
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: make you question about where he's headed?

1311
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm impressed more than I'm anything else. It was a

1312
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: monster favorite over a not even ranked opponent. And you

1313
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: know you heard him afterwards talk like at length, nobody

1314
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: wanted to fight him. So I get that and respect that.

1315
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: So he's just like, let's take on anybody, even if

1316
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this guy. Well, this guy Silva,

1317
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, he was in great shape and he was

1318
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: willing and he took a beating at times. But you're

1319
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: talking about that one big left hand. But what did

1320
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Sarukian do when that happened, When he got staggered, He behaved,

1321
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: as Teddy Atlas would say, like a fighter, right. He

1322
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: tried to get the fight to a clinch. He shot

1323
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 2: a takedown, he recovered, shook out the cobwebs, and gets

1324
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: what he did in round three, as he said, put

1325
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: him away with violent, vicious, active.

1326
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Grounded pout.

1327
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: Overall, this was a step forward in my opinion on

1328
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: the evolution of Armin Saryukin, which is necessary if he's

1329
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: ever going to, you know, defeat Mahachevn a rematch, if

1330
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna truly contend and be in titled attention. Look,

1331
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: he thinks of victory here over an underank guy makes

1332
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: him automatically the number one contender. It'll take more time

1333
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: than that. But for how close he was against Gamraud

1334
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: and how good he's shown flashes at times, the thing

1335
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: I said the most that he's gonna need to make

1336
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: that leap. It's obvious, right, So you've got to round

1337
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: out that striking this fight, especially in that first round

1338
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: where he looked like Rose against andraj in round one

1339
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: of their first fight. I mean, it was just wonderful

1340
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: to watch the stance switches, the way he incorporated kicks,

1341
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: the power that he lands. I mean, he's built like

1342
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: an Armenian god, Luke, which is he's got to be

1343
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: your favorite fighter of all time. He has to be.

1344
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 1: Right now.

1345
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 2: I will say this though, Luke, if you're gonna harp

1346
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: on one strike in this spot, which is so hard,

1347
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: and yet he now faviigated those rough seas perfectly, dude,

1348
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: this guy is a stud who's ironing out his craft

1349
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: in real time. Yeah, he's going somewhere, Luke, I'm okay

1350
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: with this growth. He's not perfect, few have been, but

1351
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: he is of that ilk. In my opinion, he is

1352
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: ready for that next level.

1353
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as convinced as you are at this point.

1354
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: The problem, as I see it, is twofold. There's two

1355
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: problems that he's got that are pretty big. The first

1356
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: one is that he doesn't nimbly mix submission attempts with

1357
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: ground and pound for one to facilitate the other. He

1358
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: just kind of and I'm not talking about the finishing

1359
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: sequence where he didn't really need to do that, because

1360
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: if you just kept pouring it on like he did,

1361
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: that was fine. But I mean in general, what's one

1362
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: of the things I've been bringing up about his development

1363
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't have enough ground and pound. Usually

1364
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: when he guys are laying underneath him in open guard,

1365
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: he sometimes does, but when they resist, when they're on

1366
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: the move, Habib would find all kinds of ways to

1367
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: wrap control and then take you over and then throw

1368
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: ground a pound on top of it. He just doesn't

1369
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: seem to be nearly as close to that. And part

1370
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: of the reason how he was able to do that

1371
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: is some of the tricks he would use, including but

1372
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: not limited to, various uses of the throat and the

1373
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: forehead to manipulate both body posture and then threaten the submission. Okay,

1374
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: so there's that. That's one problem that I have, But

1375
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: that's not the biggest problem. This is the biggest problem.

1376
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't mind that he got hit with the punch

1377
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: against a lesser opponent and then was able to basically

1378
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: get the takedown right out the round and then finish

1379
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: him in the next one. That actually, to your point,

1380
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: speaks pretty highly of him. Actually it speaks very highly

1381
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: of him. And that first takedown he goes in the

1382
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: first round where he got hit with a hard whizzard

1383
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: from Silva and then he still kind of gret gathered

1384
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: the far knee and turned him over. I mean, it's incredible, dude.

1385
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: He's an incredible wrestler, he's an incredible athlete. He's got

1386
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: a ton of moxie, he's got a ton of gusto,

1387
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: and all those things are great. It's his distance closing.

1388
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: His entries into closing the distance are a huge fucking problem,

1389
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: a huge problem, and it didn't just get cost him

1390
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: a little bit in this space. Dude, another guy up

1391
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: this weight class at another level who's very good, like

1392
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: a physive or if you know, obviously he's gonna have

1393
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time wrestling. But I'm just saying,

1394
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: if he tries these entries against someone a little bit

1395
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: higher up the food chain at one fifty five, it

1396
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: is going to be a massive fucking problem. You could say, well,

1397
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't using his best distance closing material on

1398
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: this guy because he didn't need to. Okay, well, I

1399
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: mean he kind of did number one and number two.

1400
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you are the sum total of your habits,

1401
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: Like you need to do what you're tasked with doing

1402
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: and do it all the time the right way, so

1403
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: that by the time it comes fight time, it becomes

1404
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: second nature to you. You are. How you do one

1405
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: thing is how you do everything right. I'm just not convinced,

1406
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: like he's still doing the same things he's been doing BC.

1407
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal athlete, he's a phenomenal wrestler. He's got

1408
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: he's got some good striking at kickboxing range. I will

1409
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: say that's come along. Actually, I feel like that's pretty good.

1410
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: But but to get from the outside to wrapping up

1411
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: with a guy when he's standing up, if he's not

1412
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: level changing, dude, he is going to, mark my fucking words,

1413
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: he is going to get into big, big trouble against

1414
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: a sharpshooter in this division. If he does not clear

1415
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: that up, that is to me a big problem.

1416
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: I mean, not a perfect fighter, I guess I don't

1417
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: those things that you're mentioning, which is part of his evolution,

1418
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: And like I said, not a perfect fighter by any means.

1419
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: But I think he's able to compensate for some of

1420
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: those technical gaps with his aggression and is in the

1421
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: danger level that he brings and his willingness to go after.

1422
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: But I think I'm watching him add craft little by little.

1423
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean he used to just be leap with the

1424
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: jab and sort of try to take you down. Luke.

1425
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean he's because he's figuring out and we're really

1426
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: adding the lake striking. I mean, I think he can

1427
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: be he can really work guys over with the CAF strikes, Luke,

1428
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: and build off of that and continue the threat of

1429
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: the body kicks and the high kicks. I mean he's

1430
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: putting that together where Yes, what I favor him to

1431
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: end up as the champion in this division. No, but

1432
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: even with two setbacks against very good guys on the

1433
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: road here, I still think he's in position to enter

1434
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: this party equipped enough, Luke, equipped enough to potentially make

1435
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: some noise. I mean, I think the version that he's

1436
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: becoming could win a championship, whether you'd favor it against

1437
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: these I mean, look, Mahachev might be a great He

1438
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: might be a great one, Luke. I mean he might be.

1439
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: He might be a special great one. They'll have the

1440
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: rematch eventually, we know that. But who will he be

1441
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: by that time, Luke. He's not the number one contender,

1442
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: as he said, not after this.

1443
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: No, I mean, here's this is my thing, it's like,

1444
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: you see, I take your points. I don't think they're wrong.

1445
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: I think they're right. But this is the thing. It's like,

1446
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: he's twenty six. You can see some incremental movement headed

1447
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: in the right direction, but he's talking about fighting Michael

1448
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: Chandler now again, and he just called him out. You

1449
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: have seen me be like, eh, all I'm pointing out

1450
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: is he's got ambitions for here when I wish he

1451
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: would climb more slowly here, especially because he's only twenty six.

1452
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: That's it, that's true. What what would that look like

1453
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: him against Chandler, Luke? What the hell would that look like?

1454
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean'd be beautiful, I'd be.

1455
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be a lot of clinching, it'd be

1456
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of wrestling, it'd be a lot of big

1457
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: punch exchanging, a lot of man, a lot of man,

1458
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: A whole lot of man, a whole lot of man

1459
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: in there. I'm not even here's the point, Like, I'm

1460
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: not even saying that. You know, I would favor probably

1461
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: Chandler to win, but like so you can could win that, right,

1462
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: Like so you can definitely have to do damn. My

1463
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: point being is if he has like another year or

1464
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: two of like working on this ship, like in two

1465
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: years he's going to be I mean at that point

1466
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: Channe would be thirty nine. But you know what I'm saying,

1467
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: like this version versus that version of so you can,

1468
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: I would Pickture, you can, no problem. It's just he

1469
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: keeps trying to fucking rush it, and I'm like, your

1470
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: game is you're trying to push your matchmaking ambitions, in

1471
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: my judgment, ahead of the development, and I think they

1472
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: should be much more in concert. In fact, you'd almost

1473
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: want the the matchmaking to be a lagging indicator, not

1474
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: a leading one, and he's doing the opposite.

1475
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: So look, could you update us on your Armenian pound

1476
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: for pound rankings from the standpoint of love? You know,

1477
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: we could have things in there like system of a

1478
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: down Carl Parisian, Uh you know uh? Or you know Shabazian,

1479
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: you know head movement, you know. I mean, we got

1480
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: a lot of options on the board here. Luke minuk Opoian,

1481
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: how do you say occupon right? How do you say that?

1482
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: Guys? Last night, I'm not sure you're talking about.

1483
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: Minuke from the boxing scene in the La Times.

1484
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: Our guy I don't know his name.

1485
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Speaker 2: There you go Luke, I'll even allow you Venice SMARTERROGI

1486
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: in here. What are your updated, uh you know, Armenian

1487
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: power rankings.

1488
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: I'd say number one is probably Hendrik Biccatarian, who's a

1489
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: soccer player. Okay, he's probably he's probably the best Armenian

1490
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: soccer player in the world currently, so I'd say him

1491
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: is number one. I put Carl number two. Carl Parisian

1492
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: play number two because he was such a you know,

1493
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: an innovator. He could put his coach go Korciavician in

1494
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: there as well. Who else in terms of Armenians? Would

1495
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: I really? Is there a guy who married Serena Williams

1496
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: like o'hennian is his name? He's Armenian?

1497
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: How about producer Mikey's cousin Cousins who worked for CBS.

1498
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: Says our new social guy who starts next week is Armenian.

1499
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Uh oh, that either means he's going to be really

1500
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: good or really ornery, and I can say that.

1501
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 2: There you go. Looke, Okay, thank you, that's good.

1502
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Okay, b see, Last, but not least,

1503
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: let's talk about this topic. Number five, Tim Zu took

1504
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: A what do you want to call it? Tune up five,

1505
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: stay busy fire. Maybe he's a better way to put

1506
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: it against Yeah, against Carlos Ocampo, and we all kind

1507
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: of thought, hey, Tim Zuo is the better guy here,

1508
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna win. But okay, BC, question number five

1509
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: for you. He blasted him out in seventy seven seconds,

1510
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: and it is looking to me like the guy who

1511
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: fought to roll o'she he is so far from that

1512
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: at this point. He was he got dropped in the

1513
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: Gchet fight at least early, came back and won. But

1514
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying that Tony Harrison fight not in any way,

1515
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: in any way accidental. He looked even better here, completely

1516
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: dialed in. So my question for you is as follows,

1517
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: what did this win do to build anticipation for a

1518
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: showdown with Jamel Charlow.

1519
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: Well, look, the anticipation was already there, even from Tim

1520
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: Zuo beating Terrell Goshet in his US debut, even with

1521
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: some of the ups and downs of that fun action fight.

1522
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: But this has made Tim Zoo a better fighter. And

1523
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: by this I mean the consistent injuries to Jamel Charlow,

1524
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: which has now twice you know, postponed this. Now you

1525
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: got to give credit to Zoo, who's twenty eight coming

1526
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: into not only you know, his finding out how good

1527
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: he can be in the ring is full on man's strength,

1528
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: but also his full on swagger doing again, like I

1529
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: said earlier, the same my fucking name afterwards, in my

1530
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: motherfucking name, doing the whole like I'm not just my

1531
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: dad's son, I'm something separate. This brings confidence even more

1532
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: to Zoo. But let's remember he was going to going

1533
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: to that Charlo fight straight out of that Gachet one

1534
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: where we had so many questions why because he went

1535
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 2: into what he calls predator you know, terminator sorry, terminator mode,

1536
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: a lot of Arnold going on in my head, terminator mode,

1537
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: like right away, and what that meant was dropping his hands,

1538
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: not showing defensive responsibility, and just trying to will himself

1539
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: through Gashet. Now, look, he leaned on his intangibles and

1540
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: power punching in one, but the more systematic breakdowns that

1541
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: he's had against Tony Harrison and now Ocampo, this is

1542
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: more of who Tim Zuo really is. The guy that

1543
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: came up and beat Jeff Horn, you know, and really

1544
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: got on our radar. His power is absolutely lethal, and

1545
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: the fact that now he's figuring out the distribution system

1546
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: to really work from middle distance, where he's gonna be

1547
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: a problem for you because his technique is strong. But

1548
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: he knocked out a guy in Ocampo who had only

1549
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: been stopped by Errol Spence on a body shot in

1550
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 2: the first round at welterweight. When Ocampo moved up to

1551
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: one fifty four to the next fight, he won twelve

1552
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: in a row, including nine by knockout in before fighting Fundora.

1553
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: But Sebastian Fondora went the distance over twelve rounds and

1554
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: couldn't drop or finish Ocampo. Tim Zu blasted him out

1555
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: of the ring. So, Luke, what does this do for

1556
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: the charlo versus Zoo matchup? I think this really raises

1557
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: the confidence level the overall stock on the side of

1558
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: Zoo and really only brings up more questions about Jamal Charlo,

1559
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: who is a gamer, delivers in the big fights. We're

1560
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: not questioning that. But he's thirteen months now on the

1561
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: shelf with lingering injuries. He's fighting Tim Zoo, who I

1562
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: think is so much better off for having taken these

1563
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 2: stay busis where he's improved. I mean, beat the only

1564
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: guy to beat Charlow and Harrison and beat the bags

1565
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: off of him. Luke, he's a problem right now. Where

1566
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: do the odds on this fight? In your mind? Land?

1567
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,919
Speaker 2: After these two performances.

1568
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: I would still have Charlo as the favorite for some

1569
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: pretty fair reasons. I think, you know, obviously he's the

1570
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: guy with all the belts anyway, and that win over

1571
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: Castano after the draw, I didn't think he deserved the draw,

1572
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: but then stopping him in the tenth round in the

1573
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: rematch was big. I mean it was really big, Like

1574
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: that was a very very impressive thing that he did.

1575
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: And we talked about the reasons why, like he didn't

1576
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: run from Castano, he accepted the pressure and then beat

1577
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: him where Kastanyo wanted to apply it. So I actually

1578
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: feel like Castanio's a very different fighter than Timzu. But

1579
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: it's almost like even those thirteen months ago, having two

1580
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: fights against Kastanyo will help him a little bit against Zu.

1581
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 1: But BC, this is where I come down on this question,

1582
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: like what does it do for him? What does it

1583
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: do for this fight? P see, it not only makes

1584
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: him the guy that everyone wants to see fight Charlo

1585
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: for whatever he's doing. You know, number one, it's going

1586
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: to be exciting. Look at the come forward style that

1587
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: Tim Zuo has. He only brings the fight, that's all

1588
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: he does. This is not a guy who fights on

1589
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: the back foot, you know, and then tries to use

1590
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: boxing magic. No boxer, puncher in your face period number one.

1591
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: But more than that, BC, Like, even if you're like

1592
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: me and you favor Charlo to win because I think

1593
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: he's a very slick boxer andition to being very physically

1594
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: sound at this weight class, like does Tim Zoo based

1595
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 1: on his last two performances. Does he make you believe

1596
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: that he can beat Charlo in addition of being exciting

1597
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: about he absolutely does. And if you think that Tim

1598
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: Zoo can beat him, the only way he can beat

1599
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: him is a long, in your face, pronounced pitch battle,

1600
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: at which point he will just be if he wins

1601
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: in that scenario, he would be the one who just,

1602
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, by the end, just kind of edged it

1603
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: out like it's gonna be hell in order to do it.

1604
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: This is what you're looking for. All the titles that

1605
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Charlo has, a top clear contender who has a come

1606
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: forward style, and you know the only way it gets

1607
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: settled is brutality.

1608
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: Dude, sign me up.

1609
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he showed to take the fight to

1610
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: a compo without any hesitation, but also not recklessly like

1611
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: but just when after him with technique combinations and was

1612
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: knocking such a durable guy around the ring. Dude, you

1613
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: put out that up against what Charlo does great. Charlo

1614
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: does a lot of things very well, but what he

1615
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: does great is efficiently CounterPunch with one big shot, akin

1616
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: to Canelo's initial rise up the one sixty eight ladder,

1617
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: akin to Gervonte Davis in some regard. Sometimes I do

1618
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: get scared that Jermal's not throwing enough punches, and I

1619
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: think that's made some fights closer than they could have

1620
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: or should have been. Particularly has lost to Tony Harrison

1621
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: in their first fight. But dude, he could. Charlo has

1622
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: the power to absolutely knock down and dis you know, uh,

1623
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: to break up the wiring inside of Zoo and his

1624
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: intentions of what he wants to do. But the good

1625
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 2: thing about that Ghochet fight, I think for showing us

1626
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: and himself, is that Zoo has this next level want

1627
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: to go through hell, a willingness to get to the

1628
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: other side that could lead to a spectacular combustion when

1629
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 2: this fight happens Luke and it could be, you know,

1630
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: the end of this summer, and it's like, damn, damn,

1631
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 2: like this is the best this is the best case

1632
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: scenario for Zoo. That this happened a lot more questions

1633
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 2: than Charlo's favor. But I think overall, to your points,

1634
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 2: it makes it a much bigger, even more important fight.

1635
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: And it was already pretty damn important.

1636
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. I was blown away by this.

1637
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was just going to, you know, six

1638
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: seven rounds march him down, to be fun kind of thing,

1639
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: and this was more like in a fight, it's hard

1640
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: to it's in a fight you're expected to win. It

1641
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: is difficult to overperform. And yet he somehow found a

1642
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: way to do that, did he not? That's the part

1643
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: to me that's so like amazing. He had to win

1644
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: at his back the entire time, and he just he

1645
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: turned into a fing tornado out there.

1646
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 2: Okay, like Triple G. Dude, he looked like Triple G

1647
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: in there. I mean seriously, he did look he.

1648
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: Did look a little bit like Triple It's funny. I

1649
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: didn't even thought about that, but like you mean, like

1650
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: a prime Triple G, right, Like yeah, I mean he's not.

1651
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: The boxer or had the amateur background on the level

1652
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: of Triple G. But that idea of a of a

1653
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: tank that's going to come at you with some with

1654
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: some craft mixed with the intention it's gonna go you

1655
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean, that is going to be able

1656
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 2: to use. I mean, no one used their their jab

1657
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: as a weapon better than Triple G. When Tim Zoo

1658
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: commits to that jab and starts going downhill against you,

1659
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: it opens up the combinations in a Triple G like way.

1660
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's fun to watch.

1661
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: You see very quickly. Regis pro Gray was able to

1662
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: defend his belt over the weekend against Danielito as the

1663
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: gringos would say, Zorrilla Zija. But he won. He won.

1664
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 1: Pro Gray got the job done barely. But here's the problem.

1665
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: He looked bad. And this was a new signing for

1666
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn and match Room, and they got in. They

1667
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: got I mean, I'm not saying it's fair, I'm not

1668
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: in any way like defending it, but they got murdered

1669
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: on social media on Saturday night. What's the story here?

1670
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: How should we look at this?

1671
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: And also this was you know, homecoming back in New

1672
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 2: Orleans headlining this Ruth King Center. So this was a

1673
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: big deal for Rugaru and did he deserve the win?

1674
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: You could certainly argue that in a fight that was

1675
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: so weird, was you know, frustrating and boring at times.

1676
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: But here's what I don't love, and I get why

1677
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 2: it's happening. The narrative that has started with Progray in

1678
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: his post fight interview where he you know, talked about

1679
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: it being a difficult fight, but ultimately said, oh but

1680
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: Zaia just ran the whole time. And now we've got

1681
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: promoter Eddie Hearn, you know, fill in the airwaves with

1682
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, that's a disgrace. No one's gonna want Zaria

1683
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: to fight again with that type of style, and you know,

1684
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: to be fair when you fight like that where you

1685
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: don't throw and you circle away a lot. Yet it's

1686
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 2: gim riggandow, it's it's it's frustrating it it could keep

1687
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 2: you out. But what everybody's missing here is the reason

1688
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 2: why the fight became that way. So Resia can punch.

1689
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I called one of his fights at NBC Sports,

1690
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: but it was a fight that once he got once

1691
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: the fight's not didn't start going his way, and there

1692
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: was an accidental foul. It looked almost as if maybe

1693
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: he was looking for a way out of that fight.

1694
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: He lost his big step up against Arnold Barbos the

1695
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,879
Speaker 2: last time out, but as a late replacement, he's dangerous

1696
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 2: because he's got big time power. And he dropped Ruger

1697
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 2: in the first round. The referee missed. It was straight

1698
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 2: up a right cross and I think it disciplined Ruguru

1699
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: more than Pro Grey, Eddie Hearn or any of them

1700
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: want to admit publicly. So while the rest of that

1701
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 2: fight did see Zurijia frustratingly stand in a counterpunching pose,

1702
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: not throwing, what we're missing here in the nuance is

1703
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: he essentially drew a line in front of him and said,

1704
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: if you crossed this line, Pro Gray, I'm faster than

1705
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 2: you thought, and I certainly hit hard with both hands.

1706
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: I think Ruguru was not willing to take the risk

1707
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: because he was so frustrated that every time he did

1708
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: try to get inside he was met by suddenly a

1709
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 2: Zoriga who would throw, and that's not like Regis. And

1710
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: he did also say afterwards that the pressure of selling

1711
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: the arena and you know, tickets to family, being the

1712
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 2: hometown homecoming he said it was a lot. He said

1713
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: it messed with him. I think it did, because in

1714
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: the second half of this fight, if you watch, Pro

1715
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: Gray was coming up short with everything, like comedically short,

1716
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: like coming up with uppercuts from distance, like not even

1717
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 2: coming close. He tried his best to bring the fight

1718
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: to Zariga, and that's why I think it's okay that

1719
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 2: two of the three judges scored it for him, but

1720
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 2: you saw that third score card, it was completely in

1721
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: the other direction for Ziia. I thought it was basically

1722
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: a draw or one round either way. But it ultimately

1723
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: depends on what you're looking for in these largely shitty rounds.

1724
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: This fight looked a lot like Andy Lee versus Peter

1725
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: Quillen for the Middleway title back in twenty fifteen, where

1726
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: there was a couple of knockdowns early and this one,

1727
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, Zariga got knocked down on an overhand right

1728
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: by Pro Gray, but the rest of the fight was

1729
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: boring and they were just holding their weapons and not

1730
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: throwing it. Yeah, but I think that's because Zaria put

1731
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 2: that line in the sand and said, you come forward,

1732
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna catch you big. So, Luke, this was not

1733
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: a good night for anything. The only good thing that

1734
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: happened for Progrey is that he retained the title, And

1735
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: I think they do have to look in the mirror

1736
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: a little bit and realize that that knockdown changed everything

1737
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:50,440
Speaker 2: in the opening round.

1738
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. I mean, if you're a like

1739
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: Lopez just retired Man Lopez after the Tailor performance, I'd

1740
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: be like, first of all, Taylor beat Rugaru, albeit years ago,

1741
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: but still he did Wind. I would favor Lopez to

1742
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: beat that Ruguru. The question is, like, dude, does Danny

1743
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: Garcia with Derek James, does he beat this version of Rugaru?

1744
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: He might?

1745
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: He might, Wait, who are you telling Danny Garcia?

1746
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: What?

1747
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, Ryan Garcia?

1748
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: Not Danny?

1749
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: Oh oh, well, here's the deal. You have to wonder

1750
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: whether this was the best thing to happen to Pro

1751
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: Gray in disguise. And what I mean by that was

1752
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: Bill Haney, the father, trainer and manager of Devin Haney,

1753
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: who is a network and promotional free agent, but also

1754
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: rumored to be going to that upstart promotion out of

1755
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia that signed Alexander Usik. He was in attendance.

1756
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: He put Devon on FaceTime afterwards in the locker room

1757
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 2: to Regis, and Pro Gray was like almost saying, you know,

1758
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 2: maybe this will get me the Hany fight, because I

1759
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: did look beatable in this regard. I'm not saying Pro

1760
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: Gray did that on purpose. He took a risk, right,

1761
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: I mean, could have easily lost his title right there

1762
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: to a guy that not a lot of people know,

1763
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: who fought a very frustrating style. But this may actually

1764
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: get him at Luke if Haney wants to make a

1765
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 2: big debut, if he ends up signing with the own

1766
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,520
Speaker 2: for however long and goes in that direction of boxing's

1767
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: broadcasting landscape. Rugeru is a big name, He's got a title,

1768
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: and if you feel like you saw something there that

1769
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: who's a better technical fighter, especially from distance than you

1770
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: know Devin Haney? Right, he owns that distance when he

1771
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 2: boxes you. He's not afraid to put in boring fights

1772
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 2: if that's the best way to win. I wonder, I

1773
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: wonder if that leads to us to that fight.

1774
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: All right, we shall see. That is it for our

1775
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: top five. Let us move quickly to the next segment.

1776
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: We put up a post on social media, you guys

1777
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: filled up with questions. The producers pick him, and then

1778
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: we ask it's time for dms from the Diggity Dons.

1779
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: Donkey just sounds like he's just jizzing. Oh oh, all

1780
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: right from Dollin m. Johnson BC. Thoughts on John Jones,

1781
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good question. Thoughts on John Jones going to

1782
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: the PFL event and wearing their merch from head to toe. Well,

1783
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: they have to do it because their corner. I want

1784
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: to be clear about that. We asked a j McKee

1785
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: about that when he had all the PFL gear on.

1786
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Okay. Do you think he should

1787
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: get an angry phone call from Dana.

1788
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: I wonder if they do behind the scenes get that

1789
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: because everyone came at Dana after Connor McGregor entered the

1790
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Fighting surface on BKFC and went nose to nose with

1791
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: what was it? Uh, Mike Perry, Mike Perry, I'm sorry,

1792
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: and you know Dana. I thought Dana answered it perfectly

1793
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,799
Speaker 2: every time he said No. These these guys are adults

1794
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: and they're fight fans, and they wanted to go somewhere

1795
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: and they got caught up in it and be a

1796
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: part of it. That's great. I do wonder though, if

1797
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: there's some brand management work done behind the scenes. Whether

1798
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: it's Dana or somebody else calling up and just saying hey,

1799
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: just so you know, like, don't go out of your

1800
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 2: way to do that. That's not the best look for us.

1801
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: Although Luke, you could just as well argue, hey, it

1802
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 2: makes headlines, it's good advertisement for everybody. But in this

1803
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: case with John, I mean, it's how many times have

1804
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: we seen Habib with a Bellatorti shirt and Scott Cooker's

1805
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: arm around him, right, I mean, that's that's the gig,

1806
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 2: that's what that's what happens to corner your teammates, you know,

1807
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: regardless of promotion. It would be really petty if UFC,

1808
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, as the industry leader, was like no active

1809
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: belator or anybody else fighters can corner you, and then

1810
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: you know like, no, that's that's ridiculous.

1811
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I do wonder like, at what point the UFC is

1812
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: going to pass a rule that would be blatantly illegal,

1813
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: but they'll let it slide because the only way to

1814
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: get it proven illegals they have to challenge it in court,

1815
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: you know.

1816
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it is different than when you're getting interviewed,

1817
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: like John wasn't interviewed on the PFL broadcast to be

1818
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: to be like lured into some Francis fight and we'll

1819
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: get to the Francis stare down and have you seen

1820
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: the ship? But like it wasn't like it was.

1821
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 3: Next Lecomotive interviewed him.

1822
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh he did interview him back. Okay at the moment.

1823
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: Actually, people I don't ask who work at the PFL,

1824
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: and they told me they set all that up.

1825
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, this is that allowed because

1826
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: it's all ESPN in terms of like it's it's literally

1827
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: promotion for the same network.

1828
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so legally the UFC can't prevent them

1829
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: from doing that, right, they can.

1830
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: Come a background, background, backroom provision. I'm talking about picking

1831
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 2: up the phone saying have and do that again, you know.

1832
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the funny thing. It's like, dude, what else?

1833
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: Like Okay, I don't know how much Sports Center you watch.

1834
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: I tend to leave it on in the background. I've

1835
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: seen a lot of UFC features on Sports Center. I

1836
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever seen a single PFL one. Yeah,

1837
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: Like PFL doesn't do UFCU. Excuse me, PFL does a

1838
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: R I should say ESPN doesn't do PFL A lot

1839
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: of favors. I mean it's a big network to be on.

1840
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: But in terms of all that scholar program, like if

1841
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: you if you have, like why sign them if you're

1842
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: just going to bury them. You don't need them to

1843
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: fill up your hours on your network. You have plenty

1844
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: of other things you could fill up. You don't need

1845
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: it for that, So why did you sign them? It's

1846
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: really a weird thing. And I honestly wonder if there's

1847
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure back behind, you know, closed

1848
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 1: doors on the UFC the ESPN side to like downplay

1849
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: that relationship.

1850
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm shocked that UFC like would allow this

1851
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: without making a big cupe behind the scenes. But I

1852
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 2: also wonder if look, PFL has a lot of celebrity

1853
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: investing and backing, at the end of the day, is

1854
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 2: there some people that are just aligned with each other

1855
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 2: behind the scenes? Luke, and this was a thing where

1856
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,799
Speaker 2: they're thinking, Hey, if they follow through on their ambitions

1857
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: and bring in Jake Paul and bring in Francesin Gano, like,

1858
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: we'd want that on ESPN. Like yeah, So you get

1859
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: it from a network standpoint, Although I agree, I think

1860
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: it's surprising. I think it's surprising that Connor was allowed

1861
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 2: to be in the BCFC ring, even though Dana had

1862
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 2: a good answer for it. I would think behind the scenes, why,

1863
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: because it's like first rule of protecting your brand. Luke,

1864
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, I tell you that story all the time.

1865
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: My sister worked at Pepsi and people got fired for

1866
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 2: having cookouts in Facebook pictures of coca and on the

1867
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,879
Speaker 2: table in the background, like high ranking people got canned

1868
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: like that. There's there's big brand protection in that. I'm

1869
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 2: happy that they're not jumping in, but I almost expect

1870
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: they would, right, wouldn't.

1871
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: You expect that?

1872
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 4: Mm?

1873
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: No, I would not expect that. You're talking about employees

1874
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: versus independent contractors. No, I would not expect that at all.

1875
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: And you're right about the Okamoda interview. I just wonder

1876
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: if that's ESPN related. But it's interesting. It's fun, it

1877
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: isn't it fun? Isn't this one of like the undescribable

1878
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: fun moments of an MMA fan when you're like, oh,

1879
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: that's like almost like that it's a legal Look there's

1880
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 2: a beab with the bell to a shirt like that's.

1881
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit all right? Number two from High

1882
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: on Tubs, High on Tubs. Should Vittori move camps? Bee. See.

1883
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: Considering he's so young and has plenty of potential, it

1884
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: does look like he hasn't progressed much with the camp

1885
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: that he's in. Here's the problem. He was with King's Mma.

1886
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: He recently relocated to Las Vegas. I think he's been

1887
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: with extreme couture most of that time. You saw Dewey Cooper,

1888
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: for example, in his corner. That's the Las Vegas guy,

1889
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: the black Cobra there. I don't think it's the camp.

1890
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: I think it's he's in a plateaued stage of development

1891
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: and he's trying to push through and that's.

1892
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: Tough to do.

1893
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: Outside of free agent coaches like Joshua Fabia. For comedic purposes, Luke,

1894
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: is there somebody that you think matches up well? Potentially?

1895
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: You never know the chemistry is going to work out.

1896
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 2: But like I mean, look at look at what Pico

1897
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: going to Jackson Wink has done to him. Is there

1898
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 2: something like that ride a horse with a big dong?

1899
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 2: It could change your perspective on lifelude.

1900
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I have to think about that

1901
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, not the dong part. I wonder how

1902
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: well he would be served at like a like a

1903
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: Henry hoofed type guy, you know, because he can take

1904
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy like victory in term, like I come forward

1905
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of kickboxer. I wonder what that might do for him.

1906
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't honestly, I'd have to talk

1907
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 1: to Marvin and talk to his coaches to get a

1908
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: sense of like where he sees himself and like what

1909
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: those things are that matter to him without that, because

1910
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: he can't do like what's he really good at?

1911
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 3: He's good at everything?

1912
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: What's he really good at? Nothing?

1913
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: You know, taking a punch and in stay to his credit,

1914
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: because like there's one thing to take big damage and survive.

1915
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: But he he bounces back quickly and is functional. Again.

1916
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an insane it's an insane recuperative system

1917
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: that he has. But yeah, that's the elite skill, Luke.

1918
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: And you don't want that to be your only elite skill.

1919
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: No, you definitely don't, all right? Uh? From Steven deadlifts

1920
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on Holloway versus Young not Young was saying a

1921
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: chance Sung Jung, I'm talking about you know, fucking Carl

1922
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: Jung scientists, Yes, thoughts on Holloway versus Jung being announced

1923
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: to be see there was a lot of people who

1924
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: are really upset at this, which I understand Holloway is

1925
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: probably gonna beat the fucking breaks off of him. Yeah,

1926
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: but it's harked me to be like, like, what is

1927
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: UFC doing? I kind of get it, what the fuck

1928
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: is supposed to do with.

1929
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Max, even though it does fall into the recent line

1930
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: of questionable matchmaking decisions where it's just sort of like

1931
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,839
Speaker 2: copy and paste to try to you know, wire Victory

1932
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 2: and Canon even fighting to your question, probably because they

1933
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 2: needed the main event with ranked guys. The problem was

1934
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: they were like the only ranked guys in the entire card,

1935
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: more or less them in Saruki and so. But in

1936
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: this regard, look it's it's it's fun too though, there

1937
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 2: is a fun element here. And if Holloway is kind

1938
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: of waiting around and seeing is there going to be

1939
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 2: an opening for me to fight for the featherweight title

1940
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: against Rodriguez or or should I move up or whatever, like,

1941
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 2: he's allowed to stay busy if you want, Like, look

1942
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 2: at we always say this sometimes people, there's some things

1943
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: going on with Canelo Alvarez right now, Luke that we

1944
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: don't love, right trying to get Boto Jack down and

1945
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Wade and for the.

1946
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 5: Freaking twenty pounds for the Cruiseway town basically not fighting

1947
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 5: Benavidez even though it's extreme, like there to be great moves,

1948
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 5: but people are like getting on him, Luke and saying, well,

1949
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 5: you know this is mayweather like And by people, I

1950
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 5: mean my editor Brandon Wise Luke, and I'm just gonna

1951
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 5: love that shout out.

1952
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: But basically I'm saying, like, I don't like this moves

1953
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: from Canelo of late, but he doesn't have a track

1954
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 2: record where I'm like throwing huge starts at him because

1955
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 2: he tries to make the best fights and when he

1956
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: does do things that you may not love, like a

1957
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: mandatory here or Rocky Fielding there. Luke, it's like his

1958
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 2: fourth fight of the calendar year, It's like he's just

1959
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: just he's just being a man out there, dude. This

1960
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 2: is this fight works in many ways, and it's it's

1961
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: probably a fun attraction fight in Singapore too, with the

1962
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: big names there and they're fighting styles and their long

1963
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 2: backgrounds and the fact that both these guys just want

1964
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: to share the cage with one another and make something,

1965
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: make some art. I do like to reserve, you know,

1966
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: we can get all on meritocracy, Luke, and sometimes get

1967
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: all on well that person cut the line because they

1968
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: sell pay per views and all that matters. But it's

1969
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 2: also fun. Sometimes you just put out a little busheto

1970
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 2: into the world.

1971
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, this has been so Also here's here's the

1972
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: other part too. It's like, guys, as long as these

1973
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: dudes keep wanting to have like retirement fights, which I

1974
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: understanding this is what that is supposed to be for

1975
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: for Korean Zombie in the UFC, just keep being disappointed,

1976
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: Like how many times do you need to see the

1977
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 1: fact that the UFC is absolutely not the place you

1978
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: want to be if you want a soft landing for

1979
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: a retirement fight, Like, not the fucking place to do it.

1980
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: It's just gonna go extra bad for you. So is

1981
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: there a chance that you know, Korean Zombie who does

1982
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: hit hard and what everything, could win? Of course, you know,

1983
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: but Max Holloway has a absurd chin. Even to this day,

1984
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: he still appears to be after that Arnold Allen fight,

1985
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: one of the top fighters in this division. He's gonna

1986
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: almost certainly, you know, if not humiliate Korean Zombies win

1987
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 1: rather spectacularly in all likelihood and everyone's to go home disappointed.

1988
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, right, stop, like you know what

1989
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the score is ahead of time. This is almost certainly

1990
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: going to go very very badly for Korean's armis to

1991
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: just get that through your mind.

1992
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 2: Even if it goes very badly for him, it could

1993
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 2: still be what you're excited about. Guys you really like

1994
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,839
Speaker 2: who you seem to like fight for all the reasons

1995
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: we hold Dear Luke, putting it up against one, I mean,

1996
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: this is no different than your i A Faber versus

1997
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 2: Frankie Edgar chuck le'dell versus Rich Franklin. Right, It's just

1998
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: it's where we're attains a certain level of if you

1999
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 2: plug in Max. But Max is strategically waiting. He's got

2000
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: to see what happens July eighth. You know this, Luke?

2001
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: All right, all right, fair enough, I'm just pointing out,

2002
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: like you know, people like, why can't the UFC do

2003
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: different retirement fights because they don't. Because they don't, you're

2004
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: not going to get a soft landing, all right. From

2005
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: O'Reilly seven four to zero two after Pitbull failed in

2006
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: his attempt, what current fighter in any of the major

2007
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: promotions do you see succeeding in getting a title in

2008
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: three separate weight divisions. So here's the interesting part. We

2009
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,759
Speaker 1: now have some pretty conclusive evidence that like guys trying

2010
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: to get get greedy and get another weight class by

2011
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,480
Speaker 1: draining themselves almost never do it. It's very, very difficult

2012
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: to do. So you really are talking about someone who

2013
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: can go up to more weight divisions. So I'm gonna

2014
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: say that I still think that one thirty five to

2015
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: one forty five spot fifty five spot is doable because

2016
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: one forty five to one seventy is too big. Now,

2017
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: maybe you could do one seventy all the way up

2018
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: to like Anthony Johnson, right, remember he was one seventy

2019
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: he made two of five. I suppose that's possible, but

2020
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: I still feel like you have to keep the weight

2021
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: classes in reasonably close order. I think fifty five is

2022
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: probably a good place.

2023
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, could Shudo do it against a featherweight

2024
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: champion on on on any given night. It's possible. But

2025
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: who's jumping, who's screaming? That's the guy to watch. It's

2026
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: hard to see, you know what I mean? You have

2027
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: to basically, look, you have to be in a spot

2028
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 2: marketing wise, like you got to be on team. You

2029
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 2: have to see it for this to happen, right, you

2030
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 2: know you've got it. There's got to be momentum behind you.

2031
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: There's got to be a want and a reason to

2032
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 2: do that. So I don't know, man, I mean, what

2033
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 2: about you know they're not gonna love Valentina fight for

2034
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 2: the vacant bantamweight and featherweight titles in her next two fights,

2035
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 2: so uh, probably not likely there.

2036
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: But also we haven't talked about this, like what about

2037
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: on the women's side. I mean, I don't know how

2038
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: that would work because they're gonna get rid of one

2039
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: forty five. But I guess if they ever brought adam weight, no,

2040
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: I guess you can destroy Yeah, you could do it.

2041
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Could you really do strawweight all the way up to

2042
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: bant them? Though, I don't know if you could do that?

2043
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,600
Speaker 2: Andrage was super elite in all three, right, so it's possible.

2044
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: She won a belt only in one of them.

2045
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 2: I know it didn't happen. I'm saying it's possible, but

2046
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: it's I don't think there's anyone right now who shows.

2047
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's possible. I suppose that's possible.

2048
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: I mean, but but maybe Yeah, I don't know. It's dude,

2049
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: it's hard to tell. You have to have a game

2050
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: that a game that would sustain, you know, if you're

2051
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 2: moving up especially or maybe you have to maybe is

2052
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: it better to start in the middleweight class like Pitbull did,

2053
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 2: then move up and then no, but then you don't

2054
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 2: want that extreme.

2055
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,799
Speaker 1: I don't like the draining thing. Dude. That just doesn't.

2056
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't. You're not the same guy down like that,

2057
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: all right? From lastly uh from Flannels and JITs Happy

2058
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: Father's Day, Brian and Luke. Do you have a favorite

2059
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: moment of being a dad? PC?

2060
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 2: I mean I have millions of them, Luke, I have

2061
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 2: an insane amount. You know, my kids are. They just

2062
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 2: finished their freshman year in high school, so I mean, look,

2063
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: just getting to go see them compete there on the

2064
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 2: track and cross country and basketball teams is a joy.

2065
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: I never imagined on this level. But you know what

2066
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: happened last night, Luke, we did the Father's Day hike dinner,

2067
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: We went to the lake, and then we came back

2068
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, kids, you know, it hasn't always

2069
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 2: gone great when we team up with video games. Because

2070
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 2: of my explosive video game rage that only you know,

2071
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: only gets cooked up when you're when you're home alone

2072
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: in the eighties and your you know, and your parents

2073
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 2: are working, and you're just playing video games eighteen hours

2074
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: a day, and you know, you you rage quit and

2075
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 2: you'll fight anybody, including your own siblings, you know, if

2076
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 2: you lose. But I talked them into reunite on Fortnite, Luke.

2077
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: We did, and they adhered to my rules, which is

2078
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 2: no build. I mean, you know, one of my seven

2079
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 2: years old I'm not I'm not out here against trying

2080
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 2: to build Walt. I'm trying to get into Wars though

2081
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: as a trio, Luke. And you know, we put on

2082
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: the headsets. We went full nerd and we did it

2083
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: and you know what we want, we want. We achieved

2084
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 2: victory Royale. Everybody was happy. It was those moments, Luke,

2085
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: those moments right Tate watching the Rocky movies in a

2086
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 2: row and just connecting with my kids. Oh dude, we

2087
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 2: went to the Fast and Furious yesterday two days ago

2088
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 2: as a family. We went to the theater, Luke. Those

2089
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 2: are the moments, dude, those moments right there.

2090
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: How fast? How was fast?

2091
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 2: And the stupid as ridiculous as you could guess. But

2092
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: get dude, the formula works. Shout out to Don Toretto, right,

2093
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, quarter mile out of time. That's all I

2094
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 2: can live at fifteen you know, my wife's trying to

2095
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 2: get me to remember this and that fifteen minutes at

2096
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 2: a time. That's all this brain can handle. Luke, Okay,

2097
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: all the CTE and ct you can handle here. But

2098
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 2: it was entertaining, it was fun, the kids had a

2099
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 2: great time. Those are the moments that to me are

2100
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: just credible, just incredible, and they're basic, simple, easy ones,

2101
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 2: you know, because that's what it is. What's what's fatherhood.

2102
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 2: I mean, ninety percent is shown up to be very fair.

2103
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 2: It is ninety percent is just just being well and

2104
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 2: able and there.

2105
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I basically agree. I think I don't know if

2106
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: I have a favorite, but like some of the things

2107
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I like more than others are like, for example, do

2108
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: you know what a balance bike is BCE Yes, Yeah,

2109
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 1: So for folks who don't know, like when we were kids,

2110
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: the way they got you to ride a bike because

2111
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: they would give you training wheels and then they eventually

2112
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: just took those off and then you kind of had

2113
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: to learn how to balance apparently the new method is

2114
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: they give you these little kids a bike, but it

2115
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: has no pedals, no brakes, but it has just the

2116
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: seat no training wheels either, so they have to kind

2117
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: of learn how to use their feet to kind of

2118
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: go forward and get that balancing act a little bit better.

2119
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: And I've been working with Tuki like every day because

2120
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: she loves she loves riding the bike, but you know,

2121
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: it's hard for her to like go fast because there's

2122
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: really no brakes and how do you build that up.

2123
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: But the end of the day we kind of I

2124
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: found this alleyway where no one uses and there's no

2125
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: cars and it has a slight has a slight decline,

2126
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: so she can go kind of fast and then ride out.

2127
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: And then we we've been practicing where I would catch

2128
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: her at the end of it every time, and then

2129
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like try when I was like, oh,

2130
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: this is gonna be sketchy, here's how this goes, I'm

2131
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna let you go all the way. Because she was

2132
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: doing really well, like she was in clear control.

2133
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 2: Solid eighties parenting.

2134
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: I support that, yeah, yea, yeah, I mean she had

2135
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: a helmet, we didn't have helmets on and everything, you know,

2136
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: me pads and stuff for her, But so she's not

2137
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: really in that much danger. But I let it happen,

2138
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: and she took it and then rounded the corner and

2139
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 1: perfectly and then put her feet down and then slowed down,

2140
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: and like she turned around with the most unmistakable face

2141
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: of joy you could ever see in your life. Like

2142
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: some of my favorite dad moments like that one, Like

2143
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: that one to me was fucking awesome. It was so

2144
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 1: awesome to see that. I really really brought me such

2145
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: great joy to see her so happy, and then like

2146
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: confidence build and new skills, Like that's being a dad's

2147
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: all about, as far as I'm concerned, really, not about

2148
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: what it makes you feel like, it's really what about

2149
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: what you can do for them?

2150
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, no doubt, Luke. It's it's you know, you

2151
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 2: put enough. We're all we're all human, so we'll screw

2152
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 2: them up on our own by a lot. But it's like,

2153
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 2: what can you do with your time to impart love, respect, joy,

2154
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, all all those great characteristics that we want

2155
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 2: to pass on to other people. It's it's the most

2156
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: beautiful thing, Luke, in life, It really is.

2157
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know what's not is BC's feces.

2158
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good transition, Luke. We have a short,

2159
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 2: combust but powerful version today. Thank you michel More Mile

2160
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: on the ones and twos. I've scoured the globe for

2161
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 2: the good, the bad, the ugly, the highs and lows,

2162
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 2: some of the in betweens. Two Luke from Combat Sports

2163
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 2: and beyond. This weekend, this is called have you seen

2164
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 2: this shit?

2165
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: M hm.

2166
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh oh, Luke Thomas, Let's start UFC from

2167
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 2: the apex right. A lot of craziness went down there,

2168
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 2: involving referees and shit, did you see this craziness? Flyway

2169
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: Carlos Hernandez was robbed of a slam and elbow KO

2170
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: against Dennis Bonder when instant replay revealed a clash of heads.

2171
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 2: He's still won on a technical decision. But can we

2172
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: go to the videotape. That's why you have.

2173
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Appearance He lost his play tape here boy, old Jared,

2174
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: do you hear me, Jared vialel letting it go?

2175
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was that the right call? Look, at the end

2176
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 2: of the day, it was weird.

2177
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: I am always going to be the one that airs

2178
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: on the side of what instant replay shows, but like

2179
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,759
Speaker 1: to me, it's just a part of takedowns. That's the problem.

2180
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Like people think that always are you know, oh uh mme,

2181
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: fighting is worse for concussions and wrestling because of all

2182
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: the strikes, which is true. But it's not like concussions

2183
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: aren't a thing that wrestlers like don't worry about. They

2184
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: absolutely worry about it because it's a real problem because

2185
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: it's just a natural part of taking someone down at times.

2186
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like I kind of get it.

2187
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 1: I do get it. I get by the letter of

2188
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: the law. They had too, but like maybe this was

2189
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: one of those things that needs to be kind of

2190
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: rethought a little bit.

2191
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, Louile quickly here, this has probably the

2192
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 2: time to talk about it. Keith Peterson didn't smell like victory,

2193
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 2: and you know, Tom Cruise kind of bit his tongue

2194
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 2: the best he could.

2195
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: Luke.

2196
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: In that early fight, it happened. What division is this

2197
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 2: bantamweight Dan Arguada versus Ronnie Lawrence, Luke, and you had

2198
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 2: the Keith Peterson tap where he grabbed the guy's hand

2199
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 2: and then he misrepresented the tap and then uh.

2200
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he fucked that one up.

2201
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you have you have a take on this, Luke.

2202
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 1: He messed it up. There's just no denying Keith Peterson

2203
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,440
Speaker 1: just made an error. I mean, it's very simple, very straightforward.

2204
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: The only question is what we should do about it,

2205
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: as what the Commission should do about it, what the

2206
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: UFC should do about it. Right, But he absolutely made

2207
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: an error. I mean this, we talked about this on

2208
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: the RSD that we did. It's like, dude, these guys,

2209
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: everyone expects them to have amazing judgment, and they have

2210
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: better judgment than someone who is not trained obviously, but

2211
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: they're not going to have like impeccable judgment. It's not possible.

2212
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: They're going this is an error filled situation. So all

2213
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: we can do is, to the best of our extent,

2214
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: put in rules that can remedy some of those problems

2215
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: that you can't get.

2216
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 3: The fight back and all that kind of stuff.

2217
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: I get. But yeah, he fucked up. He made an

2218
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,640
Speaker 1: error of The Commission should look into whatever possibly they

2219
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 1: can to remedy the situation. That's it.

2220
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 2: So Dom was humane. He could have dunked all over

2221
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 2: Keith Pearson, but he probably would have lost his standing

2222
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 2: in the broadcasting chain, making it too much about himself,

2223
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 2: i e. Dan Hardy versus Herb Dean. Unfortunately the way

2224
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: that fell out. But Luke, one thing he did was

2225
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 2: was expose how bad it is for the fighters. Obviously

2226
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 2: no wind bonus here. Both guys, you know, put it

2227
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 2: all in and it's a bad result for both of them.

2228
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know what could you do? What should

2229
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 2: you do? Isn't the most isn't the best thing you

2230
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: actually could do? Restarting the fight, isn't it?

2231
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: Isn't it like if the okay? So in the case

2232
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: where the person is fully conscious, like in this case,

2233
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, because there could be different circumstances about what's happening,

2234
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: but in this one, the guy was like alert, I

2235
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 1: do think you have to restart it? Yeah, I would

2236
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: prefer to see it that way. Yes, Again, I think

2237
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: you'd have to ask both combatants, like if both combatants

2238
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: agree or whatever, if you find some kind of mechanism

2239
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: to get it going again. But yeah, I would agree.

2240
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: Yes, Keith Peterson is fair normally, and look, this is

2241
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 2: a very difficult job and you're gonna make mistakes and

2242
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold that against somebody. I just

2243
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: want a system that had you know, can can deal

2244
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 2: with those mistakes the most accurate way. But did you

2245
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 2: see when Saruki and got full mount and ended up

2246
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 2: getting the finish in the co main event that DOM

2247
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 2: praised Keith Peterson once again for letting the fight play out.

2248
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 2: He let it play out too long, it seemed though

2249
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 2: in real time right.

2250
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Listen, Okay, So here's the thing, that style of intervention

2251
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 1: where you let it go. I wouldn't say super long,

2252
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 1: but maybe a little bit longer than it could have gone.

2253
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: I think Dom prefers that Dom personally seems to prefer,

2254
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of fighters are this way. Hey, I

2255
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: would rather go a little long, not crazy, but a

2256
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: little long rather than a little short. So the other

2257
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: guy has every opportunity. And so in the case where

2258
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: he stopped it, he was like, hey, this is you

2259
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: can fight, right, So he had every opportunity, Silva did.

2260
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: You can't say he didn't like to Dom. That's like

2261
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: a very clean situation. I would argue you intervened a

2262
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but not the end of the world.

2263
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, But to be fair, also, sar Yukin wasn't fully

2264
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 2: putting the strikes together even in that hugely and the

2265
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 2: advantageous position until that final sequence. A lot of them

2266
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 2: were like grazing or not fully hitting. He had some wild,

2267
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 2: sort of like whack a mole shots going on Luke

2268
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,640
Speaker 2: that weren't fully accurate once he zeroed in, though he

2269
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 2: was able to force to stop it. Yeah whatever, I mean,

2270
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 2: it is what it is. Let's go back to the

2271
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 2: fight action here at Luke. Here's lightweight Manuel Torres obliterating

2272
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Nicholas motav Via Helbo in round one.

2273
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one was nice. Hmmm damn yeah that is

2274
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:57,759
Speaker 1: super sick.

2275
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 2: That freaking fast finish, Luke brought to you by Jimmy John's.

2276
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: Not one of Jimmy John's. Is not that good, but

2277
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: that elbow is ridiculous.

2278
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 2: Mikey up in arms, Mikey is Mikey are you? Aren't

2279
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 2: you Jimmy Johns exclusive? Or is that the other guy?

2280
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Uh not Bert Kreischer, the other Jersey Mikes. Isn't that what? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

2281
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 2: Mikey's a Jersey Mikes crying.

2282
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 1: Oh likes Jimmy Johns the most, I don't know.

2283
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 2: Loves it, dude, was that his debut? Man? Well, Torres

2284
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 2: that very impressed.

2285
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: It might have been. I'm not sure, but that if

2286
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: can you play the clip one more time? I just

2287
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: want to point out something like this is one of

2288
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: the benefits to the octagon where you can get a

2289
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: lot of guys or stationary. If the other guy is

2290
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: moving into you, you know you've got some choices to make.

2291
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: He just takes lead outside foot position and then it

2292
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: takes up enough range to go like that, or the

2293
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: other guy thought he was gonna hit him coming in,

2294
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: so like just sort of pay attention to like guys

2295
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: being flat footed, who's moving what that does in boxing,

2296
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: A lot of guys moving in like that get caught.

2297
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: In mma, it's actually the opposite. More guys standing still

2298
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: get caught, which kind of tells you what the counter

2299
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: striking capability is. So yeah, a nice win.

2300
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Look the incredible Armenian Hulk Armans are rookie and called

2301
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 2: his shot after the victory. Let's listen to him.

2302
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 6: We couldn't find anybody just he have said this fight.

2303
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 6: That's why I appreciate it. And now I'm gonna be

2304
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 6: number one come tender. You know, guys, when I fight,

2305
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 6: when I thought the first time is Islama Hachev?

2306
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: You gave me three weeks. If you're gonna give me

2307
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:24,839
Speaker 1: eight weeks.

2308
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 6: I'm gonna smash him.

2309
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Send him the location. Habib's boy will get smashed. That.

2310
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: You could talk yourself into seeing that soon, but it

2311
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 2: wasn't yet. It won't happen.

2312
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: He's twenty six. The world is his oyster. I just

2313
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,839
Speaker 1: want to see him take his time, but he is exciting.

2314
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 1: He is exciting.

2315
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: Luke speaking of the lightweight champion of the world Islamahchev.

2316
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 2: He was talking to Daniel Cormier and ESPN with airwaves

2317
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 2: and he was dropping a duchie on the BMF. Let's listen, Justin.

2318
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: Pourier fighting Justin Gates. You for the BMF type? What man?

2319
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 3: Who is wrong?

2320
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 7: That's one question. If that's Simparaioki, that's not for a

2321
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 7: bit gage. And he gonna fight next for the title

2322
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 7: like my title. He's gonna come with title. I don't

2323
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:18,799
Speaker 7: want this.

2324
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 1: This built for the bumps, you.

2325
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:24,559
Speaker 7: Know, first time who fight for this, ds and and

2326
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 7: Maddon and the people who who never can be champion.

2327
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 7: You know, they give him some bill, guys be happy

2328
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 7: fight for then.

2329
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: I stopped this. After this.

2330
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 7: Stop honestly, somebody give me this bill tomorrow. I don't

2331
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 7: want this and that's it. I can beat this guy easy.

2332
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 2: Look, I love this. I love him going full foreign

2333
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 2: bad guy mode and just shipping on everybody. But it

2334
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,799
Speaker 2: wasn't ESPN or which that was Daniel Cormier's you tube channel.

2335
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 2: But good content right there, I'm telling Yeah.

2336
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean the point is, like, obviously, for guys like Islam,

2337
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: those titles don't mean anything. But like what Islam fails

2338
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:12,560
Speaker 1: to appreciate is like the fight game rewards two things, right, excellency,

2339
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,879
Speaker 1: which he rewards him for, and then for bravery and

2340
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,640
Speaker 1: for you know that kind of bite down on the

2341
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 1: mouthpiece style of fighting. It rewards both of those. The

2342
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 1: BMF belt obviously is you know, just a made up thing,

2343
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a souvenir.

2344
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 2: To a purple badge, a purple.

2345
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Thing, purple heart. Yeah, it's kind of like for the

2346
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: people who fight with bravery in a way that you know,

2347
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: not that Islam doesn't fight with his own version of it,

2348
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 1: but he's not like a balls out kind of guy

2349
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: like that.

2350
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's willing to if it has to, if

2351
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 2: it has to go that way, he's willing believe it.

2352
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2353
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 2: PFL five from Atlanta, luke it was the finally the

2354
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 2: meeting we all wanted John Jones versus Francis and Gano

2355
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 2: right next to the smart Cage Luke. They had a

2356
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 2: very I guess, joevial thing back and forth, but it

2357
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 2: also was some posturing of like I'm the baddest man,

2358
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm the king, all that stuff. You know. I liked

2359
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 2: when Francis counter John saying that you left, we could

2360
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 2: do this fight, but you left, And you know, Francis

2361
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 2: is like, bro, you were what about the three years

2362
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 2: before that? But it's just a it's just a tease.

2363
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 2: It's just a lame tease at the end of the day, right.

2364
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: It's really but you see, here's the thing. I tweeted

2365
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: this and it got like a bunch of responses on

2366
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: Saturday when this video okame that this was Friday night.

2367
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm saying I tweeted this on Saturday, dude.

2368
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: This is the crazy part about this. This fight even now,

2369
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: even now, could be made today. You could make this

2370
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 1: fight today. There is nothing legally preventing the UFC from

2371
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: co promoting. And I know what folks say, Well, the

2372
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 1: UFC has never co promoted. They don't want to co

2373
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: promote they don't have to co promote, and I'm I

2374
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 1: understand that they've conditioned everyone to think that it's normal

2375
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: and fine that they don't co promote. But it's just

2376
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: a choice. It's just a choice. That's their choice to

2377
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 1: do that, which of course they don't have to. And

2378
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: the response is, oh, why would they Why would they

2379
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: elevate another promotion by risking their guys. It's like, let

2380
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: me see if I understand this. The main criticism I

2381
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 1: hear from MMA fans about boxing is that the boxers

2382
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: themselves and then boxing promoters need to take and accept

2383
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: more risk to make the fights that people want to

2384
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: pay money to see. But the UFC should avoid risk

2385
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: to avoid making the fights that people want to pay

2386
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 1: money to see by virtue of the position they have

2387
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: in the market. Guys, That is not a convincing argument

2388
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 1: because not a convincing argument.

2389
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 2: Because in UFC speak, Francis was deemed not acceptable to

2390
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 2: stay a member of the country club. So once you

2391
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: leave Luke, you are not allowed back.

2392
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 3: I understand, like that's how they do business. I get it.

2393
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: But my point being is that when you say things,

2394
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: not you, but the proverbial you out there, when they

2395
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 1: say things like, hey, well, if the UFC did that,

2396
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: they'd be elevating another promotion in a way that they

2397
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:55,640
Speaker 1: don't want to. And I'm like, I get that, I

2398
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: actually get that logic, but that doesn't that doesn't remove

2399
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: them from sharing some By the way, I'm not fully

2400
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: blaming them. I think could you blame a little bit

2401
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 1: of John Sure, could you blame a little bit of Francis?

2402
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: Of course you could. I'm just saying the UFC gets

2403
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: a share of that blame as well. And if you're arguing, well,

2404
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: they don't want to elevate a competitor or anyone else

2405
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 1: in that space, then what you're saying is not that

2406
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: they don't deserve blame, but that any blame that comes

2407
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 1: their way is worth it by virtue of this business

2408
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: strategy that they have taken into account. So like to me,

2409
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: when you say things like why would they, It's like,

2410
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: I get that they wouldn't, but you still play a role.

2411
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: This fight could be, This fight could easily forge and

2412
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: be made. You see UFC and PFL they both err

2413
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 1: on ESPN that what I was gonna pay figure out

2414
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: the network shit.

2415
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 2: Speaking of sharing, the hardest part of it, which is

2416
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 2: why am I going to do a fifty to fifty

2417
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 2: cut with that other network? That ultimately is the thing. Seriously,

2418
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 2: that's the thing that gets in the way the most.

2419
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: If in boxing, I've got this fighter that That's why

2420
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 2: right now Golden Boy Promotions is suing Ryan Garcia because

2421
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 2: they want to enforce the deal they have. They are

2422
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 2: accusing Team Garcia of negotiating behind the scenes with other

2423
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 2: networks and promoters and stuff like, no, we make the

2424
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 2: rules of where these fights go. So that's the biggest

2425
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 2: hurdle at the end of the day, especially when promoters

2426
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 2: are I'm sorry when promoters and networks are are not

2427
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 2: on good terms with the other side of the street, right,

2428
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 2: But what made the legends, what made Bob Aaron and

2429
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: Don King. There's a lot of dirt in there and craziness,

2430
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 2: but they are also willing to work together when it mattered.

2431
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 2: I wonder if there is a call from Disney Luke

2432
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 2: to Dana and Hunter and Aur is there true or false?

2433
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Does Disney slash ESPN say hey, we

2434
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 2: just saw that that face off on our airway?

2435
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: Man, Dude, they're talking about spinning off ESPN completely, Like,

2436
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 1: I don't think that they care level who is dude Google.

2437
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 1: It's been rumored more than it's been reported, but it

2438
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: has at least been rumored that since the return of

2439
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: Bob Iger taking over for Bob Chapik as the head

2440
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 1: of Disney, that there are some internal deliberations about whether

2441
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 1: or not they want to keep ESPN as part of

2442
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: their portfolio, or whether or not they want to based

2443
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,640
Speaker 1: on all of these media rights that they're going to

2444
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: end up owing over the next ten years or so.

2445
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm just I just want to point out anyone can

2446
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 1: get blame in the situation for like, why didn't we

2447
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 1: have a Francis and Gondo versus John Jones fight. There's

2448
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 1: a lot of blame to go around, but it's just

2449
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 1: not true and fully disingenuous to blame the fighters in

2450
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: this case when we have a situation today that in

2451
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: no way precludes this fight from happening, in fact, facilitates

2452
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: it by both being on the same network partner. Give

2453
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 1: me a.

2454
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 2: Break, what if ESPN inside the smart cage allowed John

2455
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 2: and Francis to have a duel? But it was like

2456
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 2: a it was like a high court debate. Luke, and

2457
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 2: would you would you would you could you sell that

2458
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 2: on pay per view for two ninety nine a piece?

2459
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: Uh no, No, you couldn't.

2460
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the PFL action Luke defending featherweight

2461
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 2: champ Larisa Pacheco mopped up on Amber Librock over forty

2462
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 2: five second to head into the playoffs.

2463
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: I said on Friday that I thought Pacheco would win,

2464
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 1: but maybe Liverock would make it a you know, a

2465
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: good contest. I appreciated her story, I still do, but yikes,

2466
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 1: this was This was a beaten BC.

2467
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 2: This was a beaten Luke with the word being that

2468
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 2: Kayla Harrison's deal with PFL is done, no matching at

2469
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty three, and I don't think

2470
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 2: the PFL is rolling out pay per view until next year.

2471
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 2: Was this a monster miss to not be setting up

2472
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 2: Kayla versus Pacheco four in the finals? Like? What happened?

2473
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

2474
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what with the PFL, And I

2475
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: guess Kayla, I don't know if I just think she

2476
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 1: wants to be out of there. I don't even know

2477
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 1: if she wants to compete there anymore. I mean, she's done,

2478
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 1: she doesn't do media for him, anymore, Like I don't

2479
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 1: see her and paraded out in that way. I just

2480
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: feel like they're done with what. At some point you

2481
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 1: reach a relationship where people from the outside look at

2482
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: it and they say, like, okay, but you guys could

2483
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 1: still do this for the other They're still salvageable territory.

2484
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: But then both entities internally you figure out just don't

2485
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: want to work in that way anymore. They're they're past it,

2486
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: and she appears to just kind of be over.

2487
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 2: Its weird interesting stuff, Luke, especially interesting with a Mandna.

2488
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 3: Is retiring, right, Yeah, I wonder what that change too.

2489
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, what that means for the future of women's featherweight

2490
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:17,719
Speaker 2: in the UFC, Which isn't even a guarantee that Kayla

2491
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 2: could make that consistently. Since it's a it's.

2492
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 1: She probably ends up in Belatore if I'm being honest.

2493
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,679
Speaker 1: But then again, if PFL purchases Belt, she's right back there.

2494
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 2: So who knows, okay, but Belt or does It's when

2495
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Coker says Bellatore has the deepest and best one forty

2496
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 2: five vision in the world, that's true, right, that's a

2497
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 2: true statement.

2498
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not best one forty five dud. Do

2499
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 1: you know who's in the UFC is one? Oh I'm sorry,

2500
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You mean on the women's side I'm talking

2501
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I mean I thought you mean on the

2502
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: men's side. For just a second, I'm like, dude, fuck, no, no,

2503
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about doesn't.

2504
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 2: Even currently have it? So yes, yes, that.

2505
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 3: Would be so, yes they do.

2506
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 1: And obviously, by the way, they're trying to get flat with

2507
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: going as well. It's on the men's side, so we'll see.

2508
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 2: Heavyweight Dennis Goutsov needed eighteen seconds.

2509
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 1: It's I don't think it's an e. It's an l.

2510
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Goldzov to send Jorgan to Castro to the bottom.

2511
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, there he went. Wow. When the big guys fall,

2512
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: their legs come up with them. Have you noticed that?

2513
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. If a tree falls in the forest, Luke,

2514
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 2: and no one notices it still fell, you know, it

2515
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 2: still fell, Luke, Right, still went down. Hey, let's go

2516
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 2: to the zone. Boxing from New Orleans. Luke unbeaten women's

2517
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 2: super Bandam White Prospect. Have you ever heard of Ramla Ali?

2518
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 2: She was a minus eighteen hundred betting favorite. She was

2519
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: a Somali Olympian and one of the twenty twenty three

2520
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 2: time Women of the Year. She got kaoed in monster

2521
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 2: upset fashion against Alejandro Guzman as a minus eighteen hundred favorite.

2522
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 2: She got crushed, dude.

2523
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 1: Was a left hook that was center down, a left.

2524
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Hook, beautiful punch.

2525
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: Look at this, Yeah, right to the body left upstairs,

2526
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: perfect one too. But put her on her I mean

2527
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: that was nice. Shit. Yeah, dude, listen, boxing is not

2528
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 1: as chaotic as MMA, but every once in a while, man,

2529
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 1: every once in a while.

2530
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's wow. She has That's a

2531
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 2: that's that's a big turn of events here. Let's go

2532
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 2: to Readi's program. Look, he told me when I interviewed

2533
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 2: him two weeks ago that the rugaroo mask he used

2534
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 2: to wear, the ring that costs like thirty grand to make,

2535
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 2: was stolen. So you know what he did for this

2536
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 2: fight against uh Zorija. He brought out his own rugaru

2537
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 2: problem bought Luke your thoughts.

2538
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say.

2539
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:43,200
Speaker 2: If you don't know, a rugaru is a mythical like bigfoot,

2540
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 2: to orlands swamp creature, Cajun culture. Yeah, that was weird school.

2541
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 2: That's cooler than Jake's robot, right.

2542
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, The question is not that.

2543
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: The question is like, how sad is the human living

2544
01:56:57,960 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 1: inside of him?

2545
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 2: Funny question knowing that union Luke, it's probably the same sad, gross,

2546
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 2: sweaty guy. But I have to be here to tell

2547
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 2: you because I did see a picture of you in

2548
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 2: Chewbacca this weekend that that nearly broke Twitter and and

2549
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 2: produced some l ls from me. I think rugeru Bac

2550
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 2: kicks Chewbacca's ass. Do you see how mean you look? Dude?

2551
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks mean, but he's not so mobile. Chewbacca's

2552
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: mobile as ship.

2553
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 2: You know, is definitely more loyal.

2554
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 1: First of all, Chewbaccy, I come on, this guy and

2555
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 1: suit's getting paid. I just want to point out, like

2556
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: every time I see the dudes who are in these suits,

2557
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 1: like these problem bot suits. Remember the first time you

2558
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: saw Star Wars and then Luke takes the mask off

2559
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 1: Darth Vadia, Like, how is Darth Vader an old ass

2560
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 1: librarian looking motherfucker?

2561
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 2: Like, mister Mendenhall, can you put your your smarty cat

2562
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 2: back on?

2563
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 3: Please?

2564
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. How did he turn into just a

2565
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 1: whole ass bitch?

2566
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean with a camp thing on? He looked great?

2567
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 1: You know it? Kind of. It kind of has been

2568
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 1: like that with the problem Botsu Luke.

2569
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 2: It's nothing a double leg couldn't figure out. Let's go

2570
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 2: to the lf A cage. Double egg could cause you

2571
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 2: some trouble if you don't like the door.

2572
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that used to have Dude, this used to

2573
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: happen way more routinely on the regional scene, way more. Dude.

2574
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 2: The ground could open up on the regional scene. You could,

2575
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 2: you could fall through.

2576
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I've seen cages break. I've seen ring

2577
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: aprons break. I've seen ropes break. I've seen cages break.

2578
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, this is the dude. If you

2579
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: fight in regional MMA, you don't know if your opponent

2580
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 1: is going to have a knife, steroids in their system,

2581
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 1: the cage is going to be locked. HIV.

2582
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 3: You don't know anything.

2583
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 1: You're just in a arrow. I mean that's not that's

2584
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 1: not this level. This is LFA. I'm just saying, like,

2585
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, take your life into your hands out there

2586
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 1: fighting outside of major promotions.

2587
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 2: You're damn right about that. That's what caused Chefchenko to

2588
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:42,520
Speaker 2: lose to car Motion their first meeting, right when when

2589
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 2: it was like there was a cut and then they

2590
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:46,400
Speaker 2: just waved off the fight without even checking it, and

2591
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 2: it was like Chefchenko lost by like submission. It was

2592
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 2: a weird, weird ending there. H Luke, this is your

2593
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 2: college baseball call of the week. Let's listen in.

2594
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: You can't turn the black cock black. We can't turn

2595
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: the clock back. I know it's after a minute. We

2596
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: can't turn the clock back and turn it back into.

2597
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 4: The mid eighties and put on a Whitey Herzog team.

2598
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 2: You know you can't, Luke, You definitely once you once

2599
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 2: you go black.

2600
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 3: You can't turn that cock black.

2601
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 2: You can't. Wow. Wow.

2602
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:21,080
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, just get out what's in your heart? Fella,

2603
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:22,960
Speaker 1: just live your you know what I'm saying.

2604
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Okay, here you go. Hey, let's go to the soccer pitch.

2605
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 2: This young fan, Luke got more than a mouthful, right.

2606
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 3: That's like me when my wife wakes up, was like,

2607
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:39,320
Speaker 3: good morning.

2608
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 2: Hong kongk Yeah, yeah, okay, Now look at this.

2609
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 1: French cabaret looking motherfucker to the right. Go play that

2610
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 1: one more time. Look at this. Look at this old

2611
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 1: ass man with this fucking I mean, dude, you just

2612
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: know you're in Europe when you see ship like that. Right,

2613
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2614
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 2: That's David Appleton in like a year from now, Luke.

2615
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 1: You know this is europe number one right there, Dude.

2616
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 2: I can't wait for app is absence era period. That's

2617
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 2: gonna be great when Appy just it comes a full

2618
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 2: on slow trek. Yeah, it's gonna be fantastic. Uh, let's

2619
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:10,760
Speaker 2: go over to the barber shop. Look, this is your

2620
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:12,240
Speaker 2: haircut of the week, and it might be the best

2621
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 2: haircut ever. I want to cut you and treat you.

2622
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Right, I almost admire this almost what come on, that's

2623
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 1: that's art.

2624
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 2: That's art right there.

2625
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: It is art, but art for what Instagram? Like? You

2626
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 1: can't walk around that way? Can you look?

2627
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 2: The kids today? They did it all for the the ig.

2628
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 2: You know that, for the for the nuckie of the gram.

2629
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so.

2630
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, look the nineteen fifties were apparently wild.

2631
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 2: Look at this old board game, which is uh, which

2632
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 2: is making a little bit of a cutback.

2633
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: What the fuck? No, what the fuck is this?

2634
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 3: This is shit?

2635
02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 2: It's just a it's just a fun meme to get

2636
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 2: a chuckle out.

2637
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Of you, Luke. Not you won't need these anymore, wouldn't

2638
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 1: say we've been missing or cooking?

2639
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 2: Right, yeap, okay, here you go, uh Luke Yanke's announcer

2640
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:13,920
Speaker 2: John Sterling the old radio voice. Uh get a wake

2641
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 2: up call here. Let's let's watch you in on this one.

2642
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 4: Oh the three two swung? Uh pop foul back here.

2643
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:26,640
Speaker 4: Oh wow, it really hit me. I didn't know what

2644
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 4: was coming back that far.

2645
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

2646
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 3: He sounds like Harry Carey.

2647
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 1: It is uh is like.

2648
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that's voice there?

2649
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2650
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely his old voice there, susan. Yeah, there

2651
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 2: you go. Look the look now, we would all be

2652
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 2: heard if that happened. But dude, if you're on the

2653
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: if you're on the air, you can't be like winding

2654
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 2: into the microphone. Are you gonna hit the cough button

2655
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 2: and cry like a real man? Right?

2656
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know what the cough button. You can

2657
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: there's a button you can press kind of mutes you

2658
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,640
Speaker 1: for a second, allows you to coll or whatever. He

2659
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,400
Speaker 1: just he just sat there and complained about it on

2660
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 1: air like a bitch.

2661
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, look let's go over to the basketball court.

2662
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 2: This this had potential to.

2663
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 1: Be your face.

2664
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,360
Speaker 3: It's the basketball court.

2665
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's playing the basketball.

2666
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh oh.

2667
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah got him.

2668
02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that is no one more time. Watch this fat fuck.

2669
02:02:21,480 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 2: Look he broke his ankles and the fence. That's great, dude.

2670
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:27,240
Speaker 1: My man took My man was like, yo, you need

2671
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:28,560
Speaker 1: you need a landscaper.

2672
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 2: He was like, uh that Hawaiian punch guy right, look

2673
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 2: he just like the kid will be eaten, like the

2674
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 2: kool Aid guy. Yeah, the kool Aid guy. Yeah. Yeah,

2675
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:43,080
Speaker 2: oh yeah. I mean that's cocaine for kids, Luke.

2676
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:46,680
Speaker 1: That's that's dude. I bought my daughter regrettably, Boy do

2677
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I regret this. She only had I'm not even kidding,

2678
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 1: like a quarter of it. But my daughter was with me,

2679
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I bought her her first slurpie. Yeah okay,

2680
02:02:57,160 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 1: but the only good flavor that she that had that

2681
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:01,320
Speaker 1: she liked. First of all, I got She was like,

2682
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: which one do you want? And I got it and

2683
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 1: I poured it and then she took a sip She's

2684
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:05,800
Speaker 1: like I don't want it. I'm like, okay, all right,

2685
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 1: oh that.

2686
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 2: Look that's your life in a nutshell that moment right there.

2687
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 1: No, So I just poured it out into the trash

2688
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: and then I refilled it with the one she wanted.

2689
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 3: Which was blue raspberry, and then I had a sip

2690
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 3: of it.

2691
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 1: And when I call that crack laced with sugar, I

2692
02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:22,200
Speaker 1: don't know what else to call that. There was nothing

2693
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: in there except artificial flavors.

2694
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:28,560
Speaker 2: It because I grew up on hot seven to eleven

2695
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 2: hot dogs and slurpies. Luke, It's the way I was

2696
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 2: raised in terms of like an outing with dad, right

2697
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,600
Speaker 2: when on the motorcycle we'd have a seven to eleven party.

2698
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it says white trash wholesome as you

2699
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 2: can really can coct to be very fair in my

2700
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,640
Speaker 2: factory town. But I forced my kids to get icies

2701
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 2: for the Fast and Furious movie and they only sell one,

2702
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, one size, which is like the largest one

2703
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 2: you've ever seen, for like fifteen bucks. And dude, I

2704
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 2: mean I was. I I laughed and I cried during

2705
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:54,960
Speaker 2: that movie, but it was mostly due to the effects

2706
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 2: of my body after downing that cherry flavored or sorry,

2707
02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 2: watermelon flavored, which was fantastic.

2708
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:02,959
Speaker 3: Look is it weird that I had bubble tea yesterday?

2709
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's good. That's good. It's a good gimmick.

2710
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 2: It is.

2711
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:08,640
Speaker 1: It is a good gimmick. It's a gimmick, but it's

2712
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 1: a good one.

2713
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Look, you ever see a sign somewhere

2714
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:13,240
Speaker 2: and be like, how many gross things have had to

2715
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 2: happen for somebody to pay to have that sign commissioned? Right,

2716
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:25,080
Speaker 2: let's go to inside an elevator in Alabama. How many

2717
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:28,879
Speaker 2: people pressed, Oh wow, Mokey says, that's the Malca elevator.

2718
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 2: That's you know, Luke, you never know, right, you never know.

2719
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: You know what? It's not the Mulk elevator because I

2720
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: fart in those. I don't use my genitals to push

2721
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 1: the buttons. I had friends who did this in high

2722
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:41,960
Speaker 1: school and college. They would take their nutsack and then

2723
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 1: they would like drape it across the door handle of

2724
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,800
Speaker 1: whoever they wanted to do that to, and their keys.

2725
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 1: When guys would be gone, they take their phones, like

2726
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 1: rub it inside their balls or whatever.

2727
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 2: Okay, that's disgusting.

2728
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I used to that.

2729
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:59,440
Speaker 2: I had a friend that had a drunken, drunken trick.

2730
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:03,320
Speaker 2: All right, my man, Eric, we would go drunk, you know,

2731
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 2: at the end of the night to the diner and

2732
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,839
Speaker 2: he would walk into the men's room and then just decide,

2733
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:10,680
Speaker 2: no matter who's in there or not to just piss

2734
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,520
Speaker 2: over every inch of the men's room. So like, yeah,

2735
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 2: standing next to him, and he'd be like getting the

2736
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:20,000
Speaker 2: button to turn on the hand dryer, he'd be getting

2737
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 2: the smoke detector, the light switches, everything, just walking around,

2738
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 2: just painting it and would laugh so hard. Look look now,

2739
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 2: look that's the grossest thing of all time. But he

2740
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:31,520
Speaker 2: would laugh so hard that it made it a wholesome,

2741
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:32,360
Speaker 2: genuine moment.

2742
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 1: My first job, you work as a dorman. My first job,

2743
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:40,320
Speaker 1: we also had to like take the trash out of

2744
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 1: the bathrooms at night, so it was mostly just working

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02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: the door and then a little bit of c little

2746
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 1: but clean up at the end. And I kept telling him,

2747
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:50,240
Speaker 1: please don't stock the men's bathroom with toilet paper except

2748
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 1: for like one roll. And they'd be like why, and

2749
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, because someone who cleans it. And

2750
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 1: I can explain to you that every night, I don't

2751
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 1: know who our customers are that are doing this, but

2752
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 1: every night it appears that several of our male patrons

2753
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,760
Speaker 1: decide that urinating all over the spare rolls of toilet

2754
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,120
Speaker 1: paper as well as the current roll of toilet paper

2755
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:11,760
Speaker 1: is helpful for other customers, and I've got this feeling

2756
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: that maybe it's not. I got this feeling that maybe

2757
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:16,320
Speaker 1: it's not. I am tired of taking away brand new

2758
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:18,000
Speaker 1: rolls of toilet paper that.

2759
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:19,680
Speaker 3: Have just become urine sponges.

2760
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone need to.

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02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 1: Be out there.

2762
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:26,040
Speaker 2: Dude, that's such a dick move. You gotta understand the

2763
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 2: culture I grew up, and that was like our regular

2764
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:29,560
Speaker 2: lifestyle doing stuff. Yeah.

2765
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh I know. It was regular lift song with my

2766
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 1: first job.

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02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so disgusting, Louke. You just look

2768
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:40,400
Speaker 2: back on how we got here. Wow wow right yeah, okay, Hey,

2769
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 2: you know people have been reaching out said BC, we

2770
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 2: don't see good scorpions anymore. Luke, here's your scorpion of

2771
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 2: the week. It's on the barstool.

2772
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 1: Oh my man, my man. Just he just did the

2773
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:53,320
Speaker 1: look look he did the Tony Ferguson invert.

2774
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:55,120
Speaker 2: Just you know that might Yeah, that's not a that's

2775
02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:56,840
Speaker 2: not an official scorpion. It's more of it.

2776
02:06:56,920 --> 02:06:58,839
Speaker 1: You know what he just got halfway through a Granby

2777
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:02,720
Speaker 1: roll is really the only truth that's halfway through? Uh.

2778
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:06,720
Speaker 2: Look, this this happened on a podcast. The Calabasta's companion

2779
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:11,400
Speaker 2: welcomed Polly Shore and the schmoll. Let's listen in on us.

2780
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 1: This is the smoke with the bro.

2781
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 2: We got Paully Short right next to me. Nice to

2782
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 2: see you, man.

2783
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:18,600
Speaker 1: Nice to see a smow with the dough, with the

2784
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 1: pro with the pro a pro?

2785
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:21,080
Speaker 2: Or are you just a bro?

2786
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you, bro, but we don't know, we don't know.

2787
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:27,000
Speaker 1: Just go with the flow.

2788
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you want some mo.

2789
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:33,600
Speaker 1: No uncol want to chairs? Bring back the other guy?

2790
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:36,480
Speaker 2: Talk to me for a second.

2791
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:37,920
Speaker 1: Man, we're here for a fight. Companion.

2792
02:07:37,960 --> 02:07:38,880
Speaker 3: We're watching UFC.

2793
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 1: It seems like you've never seen.

2794
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 2: A fight and you're put here you go, here, we go.

2795
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:50,800
Speaker 2: I got the choky cokey coke bro. I went to

2796
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 2: the line right here. Hey, listen, it's not to pay.

2797
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,200
Speaker 2: You can touch all you want. You got a quarter.

2798
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:09,480
Speaker 1: Why did you include that? What the hell is that looke?

2799
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:10,000
Speaker 2: What is it?

2800
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 1: You know?

2801
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 2: They took that, They unpublished that video, they took it

2802
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:13,920
Speaker 2: down off of the thick Boy network.

2803
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2804
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 2: There was a There was a lot of poll Shore

2805
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 2: talking about cocaine. It was a little awkward. I don't

2806
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:19,080
Speaker 2: know if you tuned in.

2807
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: Paul Shore does like cocaine.

2808
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 2: Hey, how about the Ryman skills from the Schmo. We

2809
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 2: liked that guy a lot, Luke.

2810
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 1: We do like Shmo. Also, Pauli Shore for folks who

2811
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 1: meant to understand this. When BC and I were teenagers,

2812
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 1: Pauli Shore was like extremely famous in the United States,

2813
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 1: and like, you know what, you know, you know what

2814
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:42,720
Speaker 1: he originally was. He was the original Pete Davidson, just

2815
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:46,840
Speaker 1: this absolute nothing who kept banging hot chicks and you'd

2816
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 1: be like, how is this fucking possible? And it just

2817
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:49,880
Speaker 1: kept going.

2818
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean his his mom was Mitzi from the

2819
02:08:52,920 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 2: Comedy Store, right, Luke, so he had an inn. But dude,

2820
02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:58,200
Speaker 2: he became like if you were in ninth grade and

2821
02:08:58,240 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 2: his new movie came out, whether it was Son and

2822
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:02,280
Speaker 2: Law and Sino Man, Dude, you went to the theater

2823
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 2: opening weekend, Like.

2824
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was a big star.

2825
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 2: It was like a guaranteed fun time. I mean, it

2826
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 2: got a little weird in the end, Luke, And maybe

2827
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:12,640
Speaker 2: that's explained where he's been the last twenty to thirty years.

2828
02:09:12,640 --> 02:09:15,960
Speaker 2: But he's still round. Luke's still round, right, still going.

2829
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 2: Do you want to do an RSD with him? Luke?

2830
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 2: You may have to do a few lines.

2831
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:23,280
Speaker 1: First, probably sure, yeah, no, I'm good.

2832
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:26,440
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Luke, let's close with some mid

2833
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,880
Speaker 2: air art. It is boat Siason right, it's time for

2834
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:32,360
Speaker 2: the outdoors. Fourth of July coming. Oh yeah, look at

2835
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:40,200
Speaker 2: that form. Look at that conquest. That's America, Luke, That

2836
02:09:40,360 --> 02:09:42,360
Speaker 2: right there is freedom? Thank you?

2837
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:43,920
Speaker 1: One more time?

2838
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:46,480
Speaker 2: Is that Michael Chandler?

2839
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 1: By the way, this guy's got terrible tattoos. Dude, where

2840
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,040
Speaker 1: are all the white chicks falling off the roof?

2841
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:00,320
Speaker 3: That's what I want to see next?

2842
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 2: Tune in next week. That's the share of the week, Luke.

2843
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:05,880
Speaker 2: Abbreviated version, but still still hit the mark right, still

2844
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:07,040
Speaker 2: got you right in that fiel hole.

2845
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, listen, most my wife's not working today,

2846
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 1: no one else is working today, but we are here

2847
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: out there slavin for you.

2848
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's show today?

2849
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:15,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2850
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 2: Luke?

2851
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 1: Is he working today? I didn't even see?

2852
02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 2: No, No, only we work holidays apparently.

2853
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:21,640
Speaker 1: Well that's because I bet he wanted to, because he's

2854
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:24,400
Speaker 1: a workaholic. But I bet the vox crew took that off,

2855
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 1: so you just can't in that case.

2856
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:28,640
Speaker 3: But okay, thanks everyone for watching here.

2857
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 1: Thumbs up on the video. You can follow us on

2858
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 1: all the social and everything there. You can check that out.

2859
02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 1: Put that up there, Mike. If you can get a

2860
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:38,680
Speaker 1: second for follow us on TikTok, follow us on the gram,

2861
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:42,400
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter. There you go. There's all the places.

2862
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Morning Combat is the place to get that done. Let's

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02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,760
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2864
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:49,000
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2865
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,560
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2866
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 1: all of the merch that may tickle your fancy, and

2867
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,040
Speaker 1: then of course Morning Coombat at gmail dot com. We

2868
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:59,240
Speaker 1: haven't done fans stubs in a couple of weeks, I

2869
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:00,800
Speaker 1: don't think. See, so we have a big one coming

2870
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 1: up on.

2871
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:03,640
Speaker 2: We took one week off due to our press conference

2872
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 2: schedule change. So let's see who's coming out of the

2873
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 2: woodwork tomorrow, who's going to deliver? Who's going to land

2874
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 2: that plane on our airstrip?

2875
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: All right? You see?

2876
02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:16,040
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts, Corey Lytle, hell of a pitcher, not

2877
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 2: a great pilot though probably too soon, but you know,

2878
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:20,920
Speaker 2: you gotta stay on the edge. You gotta look on

2879
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:21,240
Speaker 2: the edge.

2880
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 1: Right.

2881
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 2: We found out Risen Bad Bad Lane Dale Senior Bad

2882
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 2: lane of jokes. But we'll see, we'll see what happens,

2883
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 2: all right, all right.

2884
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:30,920
Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone who watched us here today

2885
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:33,320
Speaker 1: on this Monday edition, back for you on Wednesday, plus

2886
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:36,320
Speaker 1: content in between. So for Brian Campbell, I am Luke,

2887
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:38,560
Speaker 1: Thomas fer Malka, for CBS Sports to show Time, and

2888
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 1: everyone else involved. Mikey Morms shouts to him, especially here today.

2889
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:42,720
Speaker 3: We're done for the day.

2890
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys on Wednesday, and until next time,

2891
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 1: may all of your gains be loyal