1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:07,318 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:14,158 --> 00:00:15,158 Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back. 3 00:00:15,238 --> 00:00:19,318 Speaker 1: It's the latest episode of the best baseball podcast on 4 00:00:19,358 --> 00:00:21,638 Speaker 1: the planet. It's The Book of Joe with me, Tom 5 00:00:21,678 --> 00:00:25,118 Speaker 1: Berducci and of course Joe Madden and Joe. I know 6 00:00:25,158 --> 00:00:28,478 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot, you have, specifically in the past 7 00:00:28,758 --> 00:00:33,318 Speaker 1: about not wanting anything before your time, that what has 8 00:00:33,438 --> 00:00:37,038 Speaker 1: gained should be well earned, and I think that applies 9 00:00:37,118 --> 00:00:39,918 Speaker 1: so well to our guest today. It's Pat Murphy, the 10 00:00:39,998 --> 00:00:44,438 Speaker 1: manager of the Milwaukee Brewers, and you talk about earning 11 00:00:44,918 --> 00:00:48,598 Speaker 1: a place in this game. How about twenty five years 12 00:00:48,638 --> 00:00:52,678 Speaker 1: coaching college baseball, six years managing the Miners, eight years 13 00:00:52,718 --> 00:00:56,518 Speaker 1: as the bench coach, and now with under Craig Counsel 14 00:00:56,598 --> 00:01:00,478 Speaker 1: and now the Brewers manager. Murph, Congratulations on the job, 15 00:01:00,518 --> 00:01:02,998 Speaker 1: and by the way, happy birthday selling reading a birthday 16 00:01:03,038 --> 00:01:03,678 Speaker 1: this week. 17 00:01:04,198 --> 00:01:05,238 Speaker 2: I've got to ask you. 18 00:01:05,758 --> 00:01:07,798 Speaker 1: I know you were an interim manager with the Pasan 19 00:01:07,838 --> 00:01:11,278 Speaker 1: Diego Padres, but getting the word that the Brewers were 20 00:01:11,318 --> 00:01:14,638 Speaker 1: choosing you giving you the full time job, what does 21 00:01:14,678 --> 00:01:15,558 Speaker 1: that mean to you? 22 00:01:15,958 --> 00:01:19,118 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited, I really am excited if you're part 23 00:01:19,158 --> 00:01:22,158 Speaker 3: of this group of people that get an opportunity to 24 00:01:22,158 --> 00:01:25,638 Speaker 3: do this. I've got a great group of people around 25 00:01:25,678 --> 00:01:28,438 Speaker 3: me and the coaching staff, and it's like it's like 26 00:01:28,478 --> 00:01:30,758 Speaker 3: you've been invited to a fight, you know. Mean, there's 27 00:01:30,758 --> 00:01:34,798 Speaker 3: some nervousness and there's a little fear, and then you 28 00:01:34,798 --> 00:01:37,038 Speaker 3: know what, you go, Okay, you make the decision. Dang, 29 00:01:37,078 --> 00:01:38,198 Speaker 3: you hear the bell and let's go. 30 00:01:38,998 --> 00:01:40,318 Speaker 2: Sounds familiar, doesn't it, Joe. 31 00:01:40,558 --> 00:01:43,318 Speaker 4: That's a great description, right, Yeah, yeah, I know that's 32 00:01:43,358 --> 00:01:46,198 Speaker 4: a great description right there. I mean, anybody that says 33 00:01:46,238 --> 00:01:48,838 Speaker 4: they don't have that little bit of trepidation or fears 34 00:01:48,998 --> 00:01:51,998 Speaker 4: floating in their body somewhere, they're lying. It's a bit. 35 00:01:52,038 --> 00:01:53,598 Speaker 4: It's a big part of all of this. It's a 36 00:01:53,678 --> 00:01:56,078 Speaker 4: huge Regardless of how many years you've done it, Murpa 37 00:01:56,078 --> 00:01:57,678 Speaker 4: and I did the same thing, you still get to 38 00:01:57,758 --> 00:02:00,838 Speaker 4: that pinnacle at that point. And when you get that opportunity, 39 00:02:01,198 --> 00:02:04,198 Speaker 4: there's all those there are butterflies, for sure, go to 40 00:02:04,278 --> 00:02:06,278 Speaker 4: rest and they'll they'll settle down. 41 00:02:06,318 --> 00:02:06,878 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 42 00:02:06,958 --> 00:02:09,678 Speaker 4: And I also believe it's important that you have those 43 00:02:09,718 --> 00:02:12,358 Speaker 4: feelings because it's going to cause you to create the 44 00:02:12,478 --> 00:02:14,278 Speaker 4: opportunity to do your best work too. 45 00:02:14,358 --> 00:02:17,038 Speaker 5: But listen, man, congratulations, I. 46 00:02:16,998 --> 00:02:18,998 Speaker 4: Love I love, thank you. I love that you got 47 00:02:18,998 --> 00:02:20,998 Speaker 4: this opportunity. I love that a lot of other guys 48 00:02:21,038 --> 00:02:23,438 Speaker 4: that have been doing this for a bit have gotten 49 00:02:23,478 --> 00:02:26,678 Speaker 4: their opportunities. To this year, it seems to be becoming 50 00:02:26,678 --> 00:02:29,198 Speaker 4: more prevalent. So anyway, looking forward to watching you. Man. 51 00:02:29,238 --> 00:02:32,358 Speaker 4: We did it for a while different dugouts and Milwaukee 52 00:02:32,478 --> 00:02:34,678 Speaker 4: and before and I saw you shoot. 53 00:02:34,678 --> 00:02:35,558 Speaker 5: We did clinics. 54 00:02:35,718 --> 00:02:39,158 Speaker 4: We did clinics in Tennessee in the nineteen nineties. That's 55 00:02:39,158 --> 00:02:42,998 Speaker 4: my first summer. And then I watched them across the field. 56 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:44,398 Speaker 4: So I couldn't be happy for. 57 00:02:44,358 --> 00:02:44,878 Speaker 5: You, man. 58 00:02:45,078 --> 00:02:46,918 Speaker 3: Thank you, Man. I really appreciate I respect you a 59 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:49,438 Speaker 3: great deal. Joe. You know I've come to you many 60 00:02:49,518 --> 00:02:52,838 Speaker 3: times in the past for advice and seeking out. I 61 00:02:52,838 --> 00:02:55,038 Speaker 3: love the way you did it, and I love the 62 00:02:55,038 --> 00:02:58,318 Speaker 3: way you do it. And yeah, the games in our head, 63 00:02:58,318 --> 00:03:00,758 Speaker 3: it's about people and it's in our head, and you 64 00:03:00,798 --> 00:03:04,078 Speaker 3: exuded that every time you went out there and had 65 00:03:04,118 --> 00:03:07,278 Speaker 3: your team's ready, it was it was really a privilege 66 00:03:07,558 --> 00:03:08,598 Speaker 3: to be on the same field. 67 00:03:09,078 --> 00:03:11,398 Speaker 1: I mean that, Hey, Joe, let me circle back to 68 00:03:11,438 --> 00:03:13,678 Speaker 1: something you said there about guys like Murph who we're 69 00:03:13,678 --> 00:03:16,278 Speaker 1: getting these opportunities now, and I think the pendulum is 70 00:03:16,278 --> 00:03:19,758 Speaker 1: starting to swing back, where the guy in the dugout 71 00:03:19,838 --> 00:03:27,078 Speaker 1: now is being hopefully revalued again for paying his dues, experience, wisdom, 72 00:03:27,198 --> 00:03:29,398 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. I look around at 73 00:03:29,438 --> 00:03:33,238 Speaker 1: the openings this offseason. There were seven of those, and 74 00:03:33,438 --> 00:03:37,598 Speaker 1: five of the managers hired were fifty three and older. 75 00:03:38,198 --> 00:03:41,758 Speaker 1: Craig Council, of course fifty three, Mike Schult fifty five, 76 00:03:42,318 --> 00:03:44,998 Speaker 1: A Bob Melvioyn sixty two, Murph at sixty five, and 77 00:03:45,078 --> 00:03:47,718 Speaker 1: Run Washington at seventy one. Average age of the seven 78 00:03:47,798 --> 00:03:52,238 Speaker 1: managers hired this winter fifty seven. So, Murph, I got 79 00:03:52,278 --> 00:03:54,878 Speaker 1: to ask you, the way the game had been trending 80 00:03:55,518 --> 00:03:59,118 Speaker 1: when Counts left, did you think you'd have a chance 81 00:03:59,158 --> 00:04:01,758 Speaker 1: at this job? And you also have to tell the 82 00:04:01,798 --> 00:04:04,678 Speaker 1: story about how you found out that you were the choice. 83 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:08,038 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's it's just an ebb and flow 84 00:04:08,078 --> 00:04:10,798 Speaker 3: of any industry, you know what I mean. You start 85 00:04:11,198 --> 00:04:12,998 Speaker 3: thinking that this is the way to go, and then 86 00:04:13,038 --> 00:04:16,238 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you start to realize Wow, I mean, 87 00:04:16,278 --> 00:04:18,438 Speaker 3: I don't joke and vouch for this. And Tom, you 88 00:04:18,478 --> 00:04:20,558 Speaker 3: look like you're thirty three, so I don't really know 89 00:04:20,598 --> 00:04:23,958 Speaker 3: how old you are, but you know, it's like you're 90 00:04:23,998 --> 00:04:26,598 Speaker 3: way smarter when you're a little bit older, You're way 91 00:04:26,638 --> 00:04:28,958 Speaker 3: smarter when you failed. You're way smarter when you've been 92 00:04:29,038 --> 00:04:33,078 Speaker 3: kicked in the teeth a few times. And so I 93 00:04:33,198 --> 00:04:36,398 Speaker 3: never understood why were we were not going with guys 94 00:04:36,398 --> 00:04:40,358 Speaker 3: with a little more wisdom. And it's just one of 95 00:04:40,358 --> 00:04:44,318 Speaker 3: those things that I think makes sense in any industry, 96 00:04:44,438 --> 00:04:47,918 Speaker 3: you know, but we get we get excited about the 97 00:04:47,918 --> 00:04:51,198 Speaker 3: shiny new toy and you know, that type of thing. 98 00:04:51,318 --> 00:04:53,598 Speaker 3: But I didn't. I didn't know what was going to happen. 99 00:04:53,678 --> 00:04:57,158 Speaker 3: I wasn't. I just stopped worrying about what's going to 100 00:04:57,238 --> 00:04:59,318 Speaker 3: happen if I got this shot, I'm going to get 101 00:04:59,318 --> 00:05:02,198 Speaker 3: this interview, and I just stopped worrying about it, and 102 00:05:02,278 --> 00:05:04,758 Speaker 3: I just trusted and whatever's going to happ happen. Let's 103 00:05:05,038 --> 00:05:08,358 Speaker 3: let's keep our priorities what they are. My kids, my job, 104 00:05:08,518 --> 00:05:10,638 Speaker 3: you know, my health, that type of thing, and then 105 00:05:11,198 --> 00:05:13,318 Speaker 3: let it, let it, let it fall. And once I did, 106 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:16,198 Speaker 3: things fell into place. I didn't try too hard. I 107 00:05:16,198 --> 00:05:18,798 Speaker 3: didn't try to impress anybody. Yeah, it was. It was 108 00:05:18,798 --> 00:05:24,118 Speaker 3: a beautiful process for me. I'm pleased with it. Getting 109 00:05:24,118 --> 00:05:26,958 Speaker 3: the job, I got a phone call from Matt Arnold FaceTime. 110 00:05:27,638 --> 00:05:31,318 Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, I don't I don't just FaceTime other dudes, 111 00:05:31,358 --> 00:05:33,318 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I just don't you know, man, 112 00:05:33,318 --> 00:05:35,238 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what it is. Maybe 113 00:05:35,278 --> 00:05:38,558 Speaker 3: the age that I am. So sure enough I get 114 00:05:38,558 --> 00:05:40,438 Speaker 3: a FaceTime, so I feel like I got to pick 115 00:05:40,438 --> 00:05:43,438 Speaker 3: it up. I pick it up and it's his eleven 116 00:05:43,518 --> 00:05:48,078 Speaker 3: year old son, Tyler, and Tyler's like, hey, Murph, now 117 00:05:48,198 --> 00:05:51,038 Speaker 3: you got to know the story. The real story is 118 00:05:51,078 --> 00:05:54,278 Speaker 3: that Tyler and I this past year spent some time 119 00:05:54,318 --> 00:05:58,598 Speaker 3: in the locker room together, and my job was to 120 00:05:58,678 --> 00:06:01,038 Speaker 3: kind of teach him the lingo in the locker room. 121 00:06:01,478 --> 00:06:04,198 Speaker 3: Some of it you couldn't bring home to mom. So 122 00:06:04,238 --> 00:06:06,718 Speaker 3: that became the funny thing. And I would question him 123 00:06:06,718 --> 00:06:10,798 Speaker 3: how many times he used certain words, and I said, 124 00:06:10,798 --> 00:06:12,758 Speaker 3: as long as you have your baseball club in your hand, 125 00:06:12,998 --> 00:06:16,758 Speaker 3: you can use these words. So it became a joke 126 00:06:16,798 --> 00:06:19,878 Speaker 3: between Arnold and I, like, God, Murph, my kids home 127 00:06:19,958 --> 00:06:21,678 Speaker 3: saying this and this, but he's got his glove in 128 00:06:21,718 --> 00:06:26,118 Speaker 3: his hand. So we kind of connected. And then sure 129 00:06:26,198 --> 00:06:28,918 Speaker 3: enough he called and say, Hey, how would you like 130 00:06:28,958 --> 00:06:32,038 Speaker 3: to be the manager of the Brewers, and it was 131 00:06:32,158 --> 00:06:34,158 Speaker 3: just it was a beautiful moment that. 132 00:06:34,158 --> 00:06:36,598 Speaker 2: It's so cool you got hired by an eleven year old. 133 00:06:38,598 --> 00:06:40,278 Speaker 4: I just want to say something too there. I mean 134 00:06:40,438 --> 00:06:44,118 Speaker 4: this your your few sentences. It's a couple of minutes 135 00:06:44,118 --> 00:06:48,758 Speaker 4: with Murph. Indicator exemplifies exactly who he is. He's an educator. 136 00:06:48,838 --> 00:06:51,638 Speaker 4: The guy's an educator. That's the thing I was writing 137 00:06:51,918 --> 00:06:54,518 Speaker 4: my notes down before this. So when you get the 138 00:06:54,518 --> 00:06:57,158 Speaker 4: the guy through the good collegiate background, especially not even 139 00:06:57,518 --> 00:07:00,198 Speaker 4: more so than the minor league background, although you have both, 140 00:07:00,238 --> 00:07:03,558 Speaker 4: there's the Murph is an educator. There's a difference when 141 00:07:03,558 --> 00:07:06,758 Speaker 4: he just described the way smarter theory about experience of 142 00:07:06,878 --> 00:07:11,838 Speaker 4: those little phrases that to me resonates as a young 143 00:07:12,078 --> 00:07:16,278 Speaker 4: player and coach coming up through the minor leagues, you're 144 00:07:16,278 --> 00:07:20,278 Speaker 4: always able to recognize the guy that was more educational base. 145 00:07:20,358 --> 00:07:24,638 Speaker 4: And I'm not slamming or glorifying either side of just 146 00:07:24,718 --> 00:07:27,558 Speaker 4: typically what you do and what you've always done, You've educated. 147 00:07:27,598 --> 00:07:28,238 Speaker 5: That's who you are. 148 00:07:28,918 --> 00:07:30,798 Speaker 4: When I did that clinic with you in Tennessee, I'm 149 00:07:30,798 --> 00:07:32,878 Speaker 4: sat in the back of the room. This is God, 150 00:07:32,918 --> 00:07:35,398 Speaker 4: this is twenty five years ago, whatever it was, and 151 00:07:35,398 --> 00:07:38,278 Speaker 4: you're an educator, and I think that's probably what Maddy 152 00:07:38,758 --> 00:07:43,198 Speaker 4: recognized with you also, and your ability to connect with 153 00:07:43,718 --> 00:07:47,558 Speaker 4: a variety of players in this situation, a variety. 154 00:07:47,238 --> 00:07:47,838 Speaker 5: Of different ages. 155 00:07:47,838 --> 00:07:50,518 Speaker 4: Because you're an educator, you have your ability to get 156 00:07:50,518 --> 00:07:53,238 Speaker 4: your point across, just like you did to Maddie's son, 157 00:07:53,358 --> 00:07:56,558 Speaker 4: or what you've done by describing the way smarter, just 158 00:07:56,598 --> 00:08:00,638 Speaker 4: by having some experience. So that's the part I'm really 159 00:08:00,798 --> 00:08:02,838 Speaker 4: excited about for you, and for the industry and for 160 00:08:02,878 --> 00:08:07,838 Speaker 4: your group is sometimes that's missing. You have abilities to 161 00:08:07,878 --> 00:08:10,918 Speaker 4: tie things together that a lot of us don't. 162 00:08:11,318 --> 00:08:11,918 Speaker 5: And I'm serious. 163 00:08:11,958 --> 00:08:13,998 Speaker 4: I mean that's when we used to talk you always 164 00:08:14,758 --> 00:08:17,958 Speaker 4: i'd listen obviously, and God, this guy really he does. 165 00:08:17,998 --> 00:08:20,398 Speaker 4: He puts sentences together really well, he puts thoughts together 166 00:08:20,438 --> 00:08:23,198 Speaker 4: really well, and a lot of it's based first being 167 00:08:23,278 --> 00:08:25,998 Speaker 4: very bright and second of all having all these different 168 00:08:26,318 --> 00:08:29,278 Speaker 4: in this sense baseball experiences too. So anyway, I just 169 00:08:29,318 --> 00:08:30,798 Speaker 4: wanted to say that because that was something that I 170 00:08:30,918 --> 00:08:34,078 Speaker 4: written down before, because there's a there's a lot to 171 00:08:34,118 --> 00:08:36,078 Speaker 4: be said for that, and I don't think again, that's 172 00:08:36,118 --> 00:08:39,518 Speaker 4: another part of the evaluation process that I don't think 173 00:08:39,558 --> 00:08:42,558 Speaker 4: we think about her talk about enough as you're hiring people. 174 00:08:43,558 --> 00:08:46,958 Speaker 4: He's got a great professional background, but it's really the 175 00:08:47,038 --> 00:08:51,038 Speaker 4: foundation is a great collegiate background, which created the teacher 176 00:08:51,078 --> 00:08:51,478 Speaker 4: that he is. 177 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:54,638 Speaker 3: What's interesting about you saying that? I want to you 178 00:08:54,678 --> 00:08:57,438 Speaker 3: guys ask the questions, But what's interesting about you talking 179 00:08:57,518 --> 00:09:00,038 Speaker 3: like that? First of all, I gotta be honest. I've 180 00:09:00,038 --> 00:09:05,158 Speaker 3: never considered myself bright. I'd love to be, but it's 181 00:09:05,198 --> 00:09:08,678 Speaker 3: just as it worked out that way. I always like 182 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:10,878 Speaker 3: to look at Perducci and I'm like, that guy's smart, 183 00:09:11,038 --> 00:09:13,558 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And be quite frankly, Joe, 184 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:16,638 Speaker 3: I'd look at you and I'd be like, God, that's wisdom, 185 00:09:16,998 --> 00:09:19,758 Speaker 3: you know. And I envied you when I was in 186 00:09:19,838 --> 00:09:22,118 Speaker 3: college and I watched the stuff you're doing with the 187 00:09:22,158 --> 00:09:24,398 Speaker 3: angels and all that kind of stuff, way back when 188 00:09:24,878 --> 00:09:27,478 Speaker 3: before you were the Cubs manager, before your Tampa Bay manager. 189 00:09:27,838 --> 00:09:30,358 Speaker 3: You know, like I envied that. And again, and this 190 00:09:30,438 --> 00:09:33,798 Speaker 3: is not just a hugfest here, but you know, I 191 00:09:33,838 --> 00:09:36,758 Speaker 3: think about I think about the most important thing we 192 00:09:36,758 --> 00:09:39,118 Speaker 3: can do in life, and that is to impact somebody 193 00:09:39,158 --> 00:09:42,958 Speaker 3: else somehow, might not even be a pleasant one, but 194 00:09:43,158 --> 00:09:46,678 Speaker 3: to impact someone else. You've done that for me, Joe, 195 00:09:46,718 --> 00:09:49,318 Speaker 3: and how you've how you've run your clubs, and how 196 00:09:49,358 --> 00:09:52,318 Speaker 3: you've set an example out there. But I think those 197 00:09:52,358 --> 00:09:55,318 Speaker 3: are the things that what else do we What else 198 00:09:55,358 --> 00:09:58,998 Speaker 3: do we have? Coaches are like offensive linemen. We open holes. 199 00:09:59,558 --> 00:10:02,638 Speaker 3: Hopefully the guys run through it. They score, they spike 200 00:10:02,718 --> 00:10:05,718 Speaker 3: the ball, they get the attack. We open hosts. Can 201 00:10:05,758 --> 00:10:07,158 Speaker 3: you measure what we do? 202 00:10:07,758 --> 00:10:09,118 Speaker 5: No? 203 00:10:08,318 --> 00:10:14,598 Speaker 3: No, right, can't measure And I think that's that's the 204 00:10:14,598 --> 00:10:16,798 Speaker 3: beauty of our what we do. That's why you have 205 00:10:16,878 --> 00:10:19,478 Speaker 3: to stay humble about it. You can never measure the 206 00:10:19,518 --> 00:10:23,118 Speaker 3: impact you're having. You know, did you make Rizzo a 207 00:10:23,118 --> 00:10:25,718 Speaker 3: better ball player? I believe yes, But can you really 208 00:10:25,718 --> 00:10:26,158 Speaker 3: measure it? 209 00:10:26,638 --> 00:10:26,758 Speaker 5: No? 210 00:10:28,478 --> 00:10:29,798 Speaker 3: And that's what this whole thing is about. 211 00:10:29,918 --> 00:10:33,438 Speaker 1: Hey murf get if you can. What are the similarities difference? 212 00:10:33,638 --> 00:10:36,118 Speaker 3: Hey Murph, shut up, shut up so you can I 213 00:10:36,198 --> 00:10:36,438 Speaker 3: get it? 214 00:10:36,478 --> 00:10:36,718 Speaker 5: I get. 215 00:10:36,998 --> 00:10:40,678 Speaker 1: I mean you got me thinking now about the differences 216 00:10:40,758 --> 00:10:45,758 Speaker 1: or similarities between say, coaching a college kid eighteen, nineteen, 217 00:10:45,878 --> 00:10:49,718 Speaker 1: twenty years old and a major league player who's you know, 218 00:10:49,838 --> 00:10:52,398 Speaker 1: got a family, maybe he's got one hundred million dollar contract. 219 00:10:53,958 --> 00:10:57,278 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's probably more similarities than differences. But what 220 00:10:57,398 --> 00:11:00,318 Speaker 1: are the challenge with the major league guys in terms 221 00:11:00,318 --> 00:11:02,798 Speaker 1: of reaching them and motivating them the way you did 222 00:11:02,998 --> 00:11:03,918 Speaker 1: say with college players. 223 00:11:04,958 --> 00:11:07,918 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally different, totally different because it's a new era. 224 00:11:08,358 --> 00:11:11,318 Speaker 3: And like you said, now you're dealing with a grown 225 00:11:11,358 --> 00:11:15,238 Speaker 3: man who doesn't need to listen to me. So you 226 00:11:15,318 --> 00:11:17,478 Speaker 3: got to build a connection with a first, a trust. 227 00:11:18,038 --> 00:11:19,838 Speaker 3: I just got off the phone with one of our 228 00:11:19,878 --> 00:11:22,358 Speaker 3: young players, who I love. I mean, I love this kid. 229 00:11:22,638 --> 00:11:26,238 Speaker 3: He didn't have the best of overall years, but you 230 00:11:26,278 --> 00:11:29,438 Speaker 3: know what, I love the kid. I love his spirit, 231 00:11:29,478 --> 00:11:31,438 Speaker 3: I love what he's about. I know he can play 232 00:11:31,478 --> 00:11:34,478 Speaker 3: the game. I believe in him, and I think I 233 00:11:34,518 --> 00:11:37,398 Speaker 3: think he senses that. Now is he mature enough to 234 00:11:37,438 --> 00:11:39,438 Speaker 3: go Okay, Now I'm going to listen to this guy, 235 00:11:39,518 --> 00:11:41,238 Speaker 3: and now I'm not going to listen to all the 236 00:11:41,278 --> 00:11:44,478 Speaker 3: noise around me. But it's totally different, you know, Like 237 00:11:44,518 --> 00:11:47,798 Speaker 3: the younger players are a little easier obviously, the old veterans, 238 00:11:48,318 --> 00:11:52,118 Speaker 3: you know, it's more of a challenge. And I've been 239 00:11:52,558 --> 00:11:55,678 Speaker 3: standing here for eight years watching it, trying to relate, 240 00:11:56,478 --> 00:11:59,158 Speaker 3: always having done a good job. Then you got to 241 00:11:59,318 --> 00:12:02,278 Speaker 3: relate to guys from Latin America, from a totally different culture, 242 00:12:03,238 --> 00:12:07,998 Speaker 3: and you can't can't fool them, you can't be ask them. So, yeah, 243 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:11,398 Speaker 3: what an education? What a process? You know, we're trying 244 00:12:11,438 --> 00:12:12,878 Speaker 3: to figure it out. I'm sitting here in a little 245 00:12:12,958 --> 00:12:15,678 Speaker 3: dungeon here, and I'm in the stadium, and I'm trying 246 00:12:15,718 --> 00:12:17,878 Speaker 3: to figure out, how do I get to this guy? 247 00:12:18,438 --> 00:12:19,558 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? How do I how do 248 00:12:19,598 --> 00:12:22,438 Speaker 3: I get to Wilson Contrares? You know, like, all right, 249 00:12:22,398 --> 00:12:23,958 Speaker 3: it's William I guess on our team. 250 00:12:25,918 --> 00:12:27,158 Speaker 5: The other one? 251 00:12:27,878 --> 00:12:31,078 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do how do I really impact this guy? 252 00:12:31,118 --> 00:12:32,998 Speaker 3: How do how do I help them? Do I just 253 00:12:33,038 --> 00:12:35,118 Speaker 3: stay away from? How do how do I do this? 254 00:12:35,678 --> 00:12:38,518 Speaker 3: I mean, it's so it's a it's a constant because 255 00:12:38,558 --> 00:12:41,758 Speaker 3: the other the baseball stuff that is joke and tell 256 00:12:41,798 --> 00:12:44,438 Speaker 3: you way better than me. I mean, like the baseball 257 00:12:44,438 --> 00:12:46,398 Speaker 3: stuff is the baseball stuff, you know what I mean. 258 00:12:46,438 --> 00:12:48,998 Speaker 3: And we've got experts now breaking it down from all 259 00:12:49,038 --> 00:12:51,758 Speaker 3: different angles. But the head is the head, and there 260 00:12:51,758 --> 00:12:54,958 Speaker 3: ain't you know, there ain't nothing more important than what's 261 00:12:54,998 --> 00:12:56,118 Speaker 3: going on between the roars. 262 00:12:56,838 --> 00:12:59,198 Speaker 4: Well you just describe it too, I mean you just 263 00:12:59,198 --> 00:13:01,758 Speaker 4: described it regarding the connection with the players and how 264 00:13:01,798 --> 00:13:04,078 Speaker 4: to get across with that. That is the years of 265 00:13:04,118 --> 00:13:08,318 Speaker 4: experience that you've had. I mean, I'm big on Blink, 266 00:13:08,398 --> 00:13:12,318 Speaker 4: the book by Malcolm Gladwell about intuitive thinking and what 267 00:13:12,518 --> 00:13:14,518 Speaker 4: you've done for the last forty years, whatever it's been. 268 00:13:15,638 --> 00:13:17,598 Speaker 4: You've put all this stuff in that cauldron, all these 269 00:13:17,598 --> 00:13:20,118 Speaker 4: different players that you have met, all the different situations 270 00:13:20,478 --> 00:13:22,238 Speaker 4: you've been in. Even the fact that you're a recruiter, 271 00:13:22,398 --> 00:13:23,678 Speaker 4: I mean a lot. You know, we've never had a 272 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:25,958 Speaker 4: recruit on a professional level. You had to walk in 273 00:13:25,958 --> 00:13:27,758 Speaker 4: the houses and you had to talk to parents, and 274 00:13:28,358 --> 00:13:30,678 Speaker 4: you had it. You saw from so many different angles. 275 00:13:30,678 --> 00:13:33,718 Speaker 4: You're the scouting department, you're you're the GM, you're the 276 00:13:34,598 --> 00:13:37,118 Speaker 4: director of scotting, you're the charge of player development, You're 277 00:13:37,238 --> 00:13:39,638 Speaker 4: all those things, and so you have all these different 278 00:13:39,678 --> 00:13:42,638 Speaker 4: conversations that you've accumulated over the years. 279 00:13:43,358 --> 00:13:44,438 Speaker 5: I'm not even thinking about it. 280 00:13:44,478 --> 00:13:48,158 Speaker 4: So when you just described there, it's that nanosecond, It's 281 00:13:48,198 --> 00:13:51,358 Speaker 4: that moment that whatever is required of that moment, whether 282 00:13:51,518 --> 00:13:54,998 Speaker 4: you're talking about Contrarass and how to approach him or 283 00:13:55,038 --> 00:13:57,078 Speaker 4: this fellow you just described that you really like that, 284 00:13:57,118 --> 00:13:59,398 Speaker 4: you love his spirit, but it hasn't worked out yet. 285 00:13:59,838 --> 00:14:03,518 Speaker 4: But it's crazy because of the experiences that you've had, 286 00:14:04,318 --> 00:14:06,398 Speaker 4: these thoughts come rushing to your head and you have 287 00:14:06,438 --> 00:14:09,558 Speaker 4: to actually stole them down and control them and compartmentalize them, 288 00:14:09,598 --> 00:14:12,078 Speaker 4: because there's going to be so many thoughts coming to you, 289 00:14:12,118 --> 00:14:14,678 Speaker 4: and you're gonna compare them to this guide to the 290 00:14:14,678 --> 00:14:16,998 Speaker 4: people that you've met in the past, players you've met 291 00:14:16,998 --> 00:14:20,718 Speaker 4: in the past, and how those conversations worked out. So again, 292 00:14:21,238 --> 00:14:24,438 Speaker 4: I guess what I'm really emphasized, here's the experience component 293 00:14:24,878 --> 00:14:28,278 Speaker 4: and the fact that you've had all these different baseball 294 00:14:28,318 --> 00:14:33,038 Speaker 4: moments that yeah, this is really beneficial to an organization 295 00:14:33,118 --> 00:14:36,478 Speaker 4: when you then have these conversations with these players because 296 00:14:36,478 --> 00:14:37,558 Speaker 4: you have so much to draw on. 297 00:14:37,878 --> 00:14:39,798 Speaker 1: Hey, we're going to take a quick break, but when 298 00:14:39,798 --> 00:14:42,198 Speaker 1: we get back, Joe, you're gonna love this. We're going 299 00:14:42,278 --> 00:14:44,638 Speaker 1: to take a trip back to the Northwest League in 300 00:14:44,678 --> 00:14:49,798 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties because I love diving into origin stories 301 00:14:49,798 --> 00:14:51,958 Speaker 1: in the background of Pat Murphy. I'm sure we're gonna 302 00:14:51,998 --> 00:14:55,878 Speaker 1: get some amazing stories from back in the day as 303 00:14:55,878 --> 00:14:59,958 Speaker 1: a minor league player and manager. Back right after this, be. 304 00:14:59,998 --> 00:15:14,318 Speaker 6: Ready, be ready, all. 305 00:15:14,278 --> 00:15:17,918 Speaker 1: Right, merkh I gave the tea's about the Northwest League. 306 00:15:17,998 --> 00:15:21,638 Speaker 1: Now you signed with the Giants and you wound up 307 00:15:21,638 --> 00:15:24,918 Speaker 1: playing your first year for Salem with the Padres. How'd 308 00:15:24,918 --> 00:15:26,758 Speaker 1: you go for the Giants to the Padres. Let's start 309 00:15:26,758 --> 00:15:26,958 Speaker 1: with that. 310 00:15:27,678 --> 00:15:31,398 Speaker 3: I walked out on the Giants after like three weeks there. 311 00:15:31,478 --> 00:15:34,798 Speaker 3: I was I caught my junior year in college. My 312 00:15:34,878 --> 00:15:40,198 Speaker 3: senior year, I pitched and DHD at FAU. Then I 313 00:15:40,278 --> 00:15:41,958 Speaker 3: signed with IT. I gave me a free agent contract, 314 00:15:41,998 --> 00:15:44,318 Speaker 3: signed with the Giants. I had a shoulder. I had 315 00:15:44,318 --> 00:15:47,598 Speaker 3: a shoulder problem. Anyways, I went to Great Falls. I 316 00:15:47,718 --> 00:15:53,158 Speaker 3: was there like ten days whatever. We're getting ready to 317 00:15:53,158 --> 00:15:56,438 Speaker 3: break camp and I get the coaching offer from Maryville 318 00:15:56,478 --> 00:16:00,158 Speaker 3: College Division III football baseball. They called me in the 319 00:16:00,238 --> 00:16:02,798 Speaker 3: last minute and said, look now the baseball job's open. 320 00:16:02,998 --> 00:16:05,798 Speaker 3: You can be the head baseball coach, the assistant football coach. 321 00:16:06,318 --> 00:16:10,238 Speaker 3: Do you want it? And my shoulder was barking. I 322 00:16:10,278 --> 00:16:12,118 Speaker 3: threw the ball. Okay, they were going to send me. 323 00:16:12,238 --> 00:16:13,598 Speaker 3: I was going to play in Great Falls for that 324 00:16:13,718 --> 00:16:17,478 Speaker 3: short season. And so I went to him and I said, hey, 325 00:16:17,638 --> 00:16:20,318 Speaker 3: I'm going to take this job. I'm going to be done. 326 00:16:20,358 --> 00:16:23,238 Speaker 3: They're like, well, you got to voluntarily retire. I'm like, 327 00:16:23,278 --> 00:16:25,638 Speaker 3: I'm not going to voluntarily retire. Whatever. They made me 328 00:16:25,678 --> 00:16:29,478 Speaker 3: sign these papers and I left. I left Great Falls 329 00:16:29,478 --> 00:16:32,518 Speaker 3: to be the head baseball coach assistant football at Maryville. 330 00:16:33,078 --> 00:16:34,758 Speaker 3: So I went and did that. Well. After that first 331 00:16:34,758 --> 00:16:38,318 Speaker 3: season football and baseball, I got the itch. I'm like, 332 00:16:38,358 --> 00:16:41,558 Speaker 3: I can still pitch. My shoulder had calmed down. I 333 00:16:41,558 --> 00:16:43,158 Speaker 3: went out and threw a bullpen for a guy named 334 00:16:43,158 --> 00:16:47,198 Speaker 3: Dick Egan, who Joe knows, and he claims I threw 335 00:16:47,198 --> 00:16:49,758 Speaker 3: it in his front yard, but I pessed. I pestered 336 00:16:49,838 --> 00:16:51,758 Speaker 3: him pretty good. I threw at the University of Tennessee. 337 00:16:52,318 --> 00:16:55,478 Speaker 3: I struck out Alan Cockrow and you know, Ellen Cockle, 338 00:16:55,518 --> 00:16:57,598 Speaker 3: they're getting ready to go to the regional. They're getting 339 00:16:57,598 --> 00:16:59,278 Speaker 3: ready to go to the regional, and he got this 340 00:16:59,358 --> 00:17:01,718 Speaker 3: crazy kid. Dick Egan said, I did it in jeans, 341 00:17:02,118 --> 00:17:05,438 Speaker 3: but I didn't have jeans on. Anyways. You know, I'm 342 00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:08,438 Speaker 3: throwing live to try to earn a job, and Cockle's 343 00:17:08,478 --> 00:17:10,958 Speaker 3: trying to go to the regional and they tell him 344 00:17:10,958 --> 00:17:13,398 Speaker 3: to have these at bats against this crazy guy. Anyway, 345 00:17:13,758 --> 00:17:16,158 Speaker 3: I punch him out. He's looking at me like, bro, 346 00:17:16,278 --> 00:17:18,558 Speaker 3: this is supposed to be live VP, not you breaking 347 00:17:18,598 --> 00:17:21,998 Speaker 3: off sliders. Anyways, Egan signs me. He goes, look, you 348 00:17:21,998 --> 00:17:25,278 Speaker 3: got to show up tomorrow. In Salem, Virginia, and there 349 00:17:25,318 --> 00:17:28,398 Speaker 3: was a Padres team and I'm like, what, I haven't 350 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:30,398 Speaker 3: thrown to a live hit or except. 351 00:17:30,158 --> 00:17:32,438 Speaker 1: I got to stop you there. Northwest League, by the way, 352 00:17:32,478 --> 00:17:35,358 Speaker 1: you just missed Joe. He'd been there the previous couple 353 00:17:35,438 --> 00:17:37,838 Speaker 1: of seasons. I think, Joe, you're off to Midland, Texas 354 00:17:37,878 --> 00:17:40,358 Speaker 1: at that point, right, but you're playing for the Dry 355 00:17:40,518 --> 00:17:43,238 Speaker 1: Cities in the Northwest League eighty five. Now that's an 356 00:17:43,238 --> 00:17:46,678 Speaker 1: independent team. They had been a Texas affiliate. They lost 357 00:17:46,678 --> 00:17:47,438 Speaker 1: their affiliation. 358 00:17:47,798 --> 00:17:47,998 Speaker 5: Right. 359 00:17:48,078 --> 00:17:50,718 Speaker 1: You're playing games at a place called the Bomber Bowl, 360 00:17:51,758 --> 00:17:54,518 Speaker 1: home of the Richland High School baseball team. 361 00:17:54,518 --> 00:17:55,438 Speaker 2: That's where you're playing. 362 00:17:55,598 --> 00:17:59,478 Speaker 1: Yep, you're drawing eight hundred and seventy six people a 363 00:17:59,598 --> 00:18:02,118 Speaker 1: game packed. I don't know if you know the story 364 00:18:02,158 --> 00:18:05,318 Speaker 1: of a guy on the team named Ken Cosky. This 365 00:18:05,358 --> 00:18:07,998 Speaker 1: is a guy who pitched a small college in California. 366 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:12,518 Speaker 1: Draft He thought that bonuses were way too small, so 367 00:18:12,558 --> 00:18:15,398 Speaker 1: he's like, forget it, I'm not playing pro ball. He 368 00:18:15,478 --> 00:18:17,998 Speaker 1: goes into real estate in San Diego, marries a couple 369 00:18:17,998 --> 00:18:20,838 Speaker 1: of kids. Twelve years later, he decides I'm going to 370 00:18:20,878 --> 00:18:22,398 Speaker 1: try out for the Tri Cities team. 371 00:18:22,558 --> 00:18:25,318 Speaker 2: He makes the team makes the team. That's what kind 372 00:18:25,358 --> 00:18:26,958 Speaker 2: of team we're talking about here, folks. 373 00:18:27,558 --> 00:18:30,838 Speaker 1: So, and he was called, by the way, the unnatural 374 00:18:31,358 --> 00:18:36,438 Speaker 1: Kenkowski was So, I mean, how did you wind up 375 00:18:36,718 --> 00:18:38,918 Speaker 1: actually managing the team as well? 376 00:18:39,798 --> 00:18:44,158 Speaker 3: Bobby Brett owned the team. Ken's Kenny and George. He 377 00:18:44,198 --> 00:18:49,158 Speaker 3: was pretty good. Kenny and George and Bobby and John Brett. Yeah, 378 00:18:49,158 --> 00:18:53,358 Speaker 3: they owned that team. And I was there the year 379 00:18:53,398 --> 00:18:57,838 Speaker 3: before and pitched for him and had to leave early 380 00:18:57,878 --> 00:19:01,358 Speaker 3: because I was coaching football in a new school in California, 381 00:19:01,398 --> 00:19:06,118 Speaker 3: Claremont College. So I became the same position assistant football 382 00:19:06,118 --> 00:19:09,318 Speaker 3: had baseball at Claremont. But they call me and say, hey, 383 00:19:09,878 --> 00:19:13,958 Speaker 3: you want to come back and be the manager. I said, sure, 384 00:19:14,398 --> 00:19:19,158 Speaker 3: you know, I'll do it. Bobby and so they may 385 00:19:19,198 --> 00:19:21,158 Speaker 3: be the manager. But they said we're going to be 386 00:19:21,158 --> 00:19:24,278 Speaker 3: a co op team. No independent players, were just going 387 00:19:24,318 --> 00:19:26,598 Speaker 3: to be co op. Oh. I was disappointed because I 388 00:19:26,638 --> 00:19:28,518 Speaker 3: know co op meant they're just other teams are just 389 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:31,238 Speaker 3: going to lend you players. We opened the season. This 390 00:19:31,318 --> 00:19:32,758 Speaker 3: is a great story and this is true, and you 391 00:19:32,798 --> 00:19:36,918 Speaker 3: can do the research on the numbers. We opened the 392 00:19:36,998 --> 00:19:40,438 Speaker 3: season against Spokane, one game at home and one game 393 00:19:40,478 --> 00:19:44,958 Speaker 3: on the road. We had fourteen players. We had nine 394 00:19:44,998 --> 00:19:49,278 Speaker 3: position players in five pitchers. Well, that wasn't going to 395 00:19:49,358 --> 00:19:52,398 Speaker 3: do it. So in the first the second game of 396 00:19:52,398 --> 00:19:56,278 Speaker 3: the season at Spokane, second game of the season, we're down 397 00:19:56,398 --> 00:19:59,998 Speaker 3: nine to nothing in the ninth inning. Rob peach Low's 398 00:20:00,038 --> 00:20:05,198 Speaker 3: the opposing manager. God rest his soul and we're down 399 00:20:05,278 --> 00:20:09,398 Speaker 3: nine to nothing. Bruce Keyson's my pitching coach. He leaves 400 00:20:09,398 --> 00:20:13,358 Speaker 3: in the eighth inning. He's so disgusted that we only 401 00:20:13,398 --> 00:20:16,038 Speaker 3: have fourteen players, and he committed to doing this. Bruce Keson, 402 00:20:16,078 --> 00:20:20,238 Speaker 3: the great Pittsburgh Pirate. God rest his soul. Anyway, he 403 00:20:20,358 --> 00:20:22,238 Speaker 3: leaves in the eighth inning, says Murph Paint doing this. 404 00:20:23,758 --> 00:20:26,838 Speaker 3: Randy Smith, who later became the player development guy in 405 00:20:27,158 --> 00:20:32,398 Speaker 3: San Diego, was doing the radio. I put myself in 406 00:20:32,438 --> 00:20:35,238 Speaker 3: the pitch in turf shoes because we didn't have any 407 00:20:35,278 --> 00:20:37,718 Speaker 3: other players and I didn't want to use my rotation 408 00:20:37,798 --> 00:20:39,958 Speaker 3: for the rest of the week, so I put myself 409 00:20:39,958 --> 00:20:42,878 Speaker 3: in the pitch in the eighth inning. Ended up pitching 410 00:20:42,918 --> 00:20:46,358 Speaker 3: four and a third or foreign four and two thirds, 411 00:20:46,358 --> 00:20:47,958 Speaker 3: something like that. You got to check the box score. 412 00:20:48,398 --> 00:20:51,038 Speaker 3: Four and two thirds. We tie the game with two 413 00:20:51,078 --> 00:20:53,158 Speaker 3: outs in the ninth. We score nine in the ninth 414 00:20:53,438 --> 00:20:56,838 Speaker 3: to tie the game. We win the game eleven to 415 00:20:56,958 --> 00:21:00,678 Speaker 3: nine and that's true, and eleven innings or something like that, 416 00:21:01,198 --> 00:21:03,598 Speaker 3: and I ended up pitching four innings. That was my 417 00:21:03,598 --> 00:21:04,718 Speaker 3: first manager will win. 418 00:21:04,878 --> 00:21:09,758 Speaker 1: Wow, book it the tri City Triplets. They go twenty 419 00:21:09,798 --> 00:21:11,118 Speaker 1: six and forty eight. 420 00:21:11,438 --> 00:21:12,118 Speaker 3: That's a record. 421 00:21:12,278 --> 00:21:15,278 Speaker 2: Steph Era was five point. 422 00:21:15,118 --> 00:21:16,878 Speaker 3: Five ninep the trout. 423 00:21:16,998 --> 00:21:19,758 Speaker 1: This is really your first I know you coached in college, Murph, 424 00:21:19,758 --> 00:21:23,038 Speaker 1: but it's really your first managing gig. I mean it's 425 00:21:23,118 --> 00:21:25,438 Speaker 1: you got tested that year, There's no question about it. 426 00:21:25,478 --> 00:21:27,838 Speaker 2: Did you know at that point that. 427 00:21:27,758 --> 00:21:30,918 Speaker 1: You were in the right spot being a manager in 428 00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:31,998 Speaker 1: professional baseball? 429 00:21:32,318 --> 00:21:34,438 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I've been a head coach for two 430 00:21:34,518 --> 00:21:38,678 Speaker 3: years in college, and you know I knew that this 431 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:42,038 Speaker 3: is the direction. No, No, I gotta be honest. Many 432 00:21:42,078 --> 00:21:45,638 Speaker 3: people said you need to stick with football, that football 433 00:21:45,678 --> 00:21:48,798 Speaker 3: is your deal. You can you have a demeanor and 434 00:21:48,878 --> 00:21:51,558 Speaker 3: you're the way you go about it. And I didn't 435 00:21:51,638 --> 00:21:54,558 Speaker 3: know jack shit about coaching. I gotta be honest. I 436 00:21:54,838 --> 00:21:57,558 Speaker 3: didn't know anything. You know, I'm a young kid. I'm 437 00:21:57,598 --> 00:22:00,718 Speaker 3: just banging around and just trying to do whatever. And 438 00:22:01,438 --> 00:22:03,478 Speaker 3: I hear this thing called coaching. You're like, yeah, I'm 439 00:22:03,478 --> 00:22:06,398 Speaker 3: supposed to tell everybody what to do, but I kind 440 00:22:06,398 --> 00:22:08,758 Speaker 3: of did it like a football coach. Then I get 441 00:22:08,798 --> 00:22:12,478 Speaker 3: the job at Notre Dame. They were like a club program, 442 00:22:12,558 --> 00:22:15,158 Speaker 3: you know, no scholarships, all that kind of stuff. And 443 00:22:15,518 --> 00:22:18,278 Speaker 3: in my heart and soul, I love Notre Dame so much. 444 00:22:18,358 --> 00:22:20,478 Speaker 3: I was so blessed to be there. It's a part 445 00:22:20,478 --> 00:22:23,798 Speaker 3: time job, but I didn't care. I just I wanted 446 00:22:23,838 --> 00:22:27,198 Speaker 3: a coach. Now. Was I inappropriate? Was I too much? 447 00:22:27,398 --> 00:22:31,518 Speaker 3: Was I like a football coach? Absolutely? But my heart 448 00:22:32,038 --> 00:22:34,518 Speaker 3: and what I really wanted was Notre Dame baseball to 449 00:22:34,558 --> 00:22:37,798 Speaker 3: be great, not Pat Murphy to be great, Notre Dame 450 00:22:37,838 --> 00:22:41,158 Speaker 3: baseball to be great. And that was just so congruent 451 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:44,798 Speaker 3: that we ended up winning big and Notre Dame baseball 452 00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:48,238 Speaker 3: became kind of a national power here without scholarships. It's 453 00:22:48,318 --> 00:22:50,638 Speaker 3: kind of a cool story. And I did it with 454 00:22:51,598 --> 00:22:54,558 Speaker 3: great people, just great people, and I believed me to. 455 00:22:54,678 --> 00:22:56,798 Speaker 3: I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I 456 00:22:56,878 --> 00:23:00,078 Speaker 3: was just drive and drive and drive and drive. But 457 00:23:00,158 --> 00:23:03,878 Speaker 3: my real intent was to help Notre Dame baseball be great. 458 00:23:04,238 --> 00:23:07,558 Speaker 3: And by the time that I decided to leave Notre 459 00:23:07,678 --> 00:23:11,078 Speaker 3: Dame Baseball had been in three final sixteens in a 460 00:23:11,158 --> 00:23:17,238 Speaker 3: row without full compliment scholarships, with just great people dealing 461 00:23:17,278 --> 00:23:21,678 Speaker 3: with a psychotic coach who just wanted just couldn't get 462 00:23:21,718 --> 00:23:24,438 Speaker 3: off of them. I just I wouldn't. I wouldn't take 463 00:23:24,478 --> 00:23:27,158 Speaker 3: my foot off their neck. One of them was Craig Counsel. 464 00:23:27,758 --> 00:23:29,358 Speaker 3: I thought he'd never speak to me again. I was 465 00:23:29,358 --> 00:23:32,398 Speaker 3: so tough on him, but it worked, and then I 466 00:23:32,438 --> 00:23:35,038 Speaker 3: started to learn a little bit about coaching once I 467 00:23:35,078 --> 00:23:38,078 Speaker 3: got the ASU and you're in that six pack, and 468 00:23:38,118 --> 00:23:41,918 Speaker 3: you got Mark Marcus and Mike Gillspie And I don't 469 00:23:41,958 --> 00:23:44,958 Speaker 3: know why nobody likes me. You know, I'm a jerk 470 00:23:44,998 --> 00:23:48,318 Speaker 3: to opposing coaches. I can't I can't understand it. But 471 00:23:48,398 --> 00:23:51,398 Speaker 3: I didn't have a mentor. I didn't have My college coach, 472 00:23:51,438 --> 00:23:55,278 Speaker 3: Steve Traylor was wonderful, still my great friend today, and 473 00:23:55,358 --> 00:23:59,678 Speaker 3: he encouraged me to go into coaching. But I didn't 474 00:23:59,718 --> 00:24:02,238 Speaker 3: really know how to do this thing. Man, I just 475 00:24:02,358 --> 00:24:04,958 Speaker 3: had no idea. I was a bull in a China closet, 476 00:24:04,998 --> 00:24:07,758 Speaker 3: to say the least. But I was winning games. And 477 00:24:07,798 --> 00:24:10,158 Speaker 3: I go out and talk, and my number one talk 478 00:24:10,238 --> 00:24:14,158 Speaker 3: these days is be careful coaches. If you're winning games, 479 00:24:14,598 --> 00:24:17,078 Speaker 3: don't think you're a good coach, because it doesn't indicate 480 00:24:17,318 --> 00:24:19,478 Speaker 3: you're a good coach, especially on that level. 481 00:24:19,798 --> 00:24:22,878 Speaker 1: Well, I love hearing that story. First of all, it's fascinating. 482 00:24:22,918 --> 00:24:25,838 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he really didn't have mentors. You kind 483 00:24:25,878 --> 00:24:27,758 Speaker 1: of were learning on your own how to do the job. 484 00:24:27,798 --> 00:24:30,518 Speaker 1: I think that is very unusual. But we talk a 485 00:24:30,518 --> 00:24:34,638 Speaker 1: lot in this podcast, Murph about pure intentions and when 486 00:24:34,678 --> 00:24:37,918 Speaker 1: you go after something with pure intentions, not as self 487 00:24:38,038 --> 00:24:43,038 Speaker 1: driven agenda or an underlying it's rewarding when good things happen. 488 00:24:43,118 --> 00:24:46,198 Speaker 1: It sounds like that's exactly how you went about coaching 489 00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:50,038 Speaker 1: and managing. Was not to promote yourself, to start climbing 490 00:24:50,038 --> 00:24:52,518 Speaker 1: the ladder, if you will, but in this case, make 491 00:24:52,598 --> 00:24:53,358 Speaker 1: Notre Dame great. 492 00:24:53,998 --> 00:24:56,678 Speaker 3: It really was. It was as pure as it could be. 493 00:24:56,718 --> 00:25:00,118 Speaker 3: I was making seven thousand dollars a year seven that's 494 00:25:00,198 --> 00:25:02,678 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight. I'm making seven thousand a year, and 495 00:25:02,718 --> 00:25:06,518 Speaker 3: I could care less. The guy came into me and 496 00:25:06,558 --> 00:25:09,798 Speaker 3: he brought me my first paycheck, Brian Bullock. He brought 497 00:25:09,838 --> 00:25:13,038 Speaker 3: me my first paycheck, and I you know, multiplied. I 498 00:25:13,038 --> 00:25:15,038 Speaker 3: figure I get paid every two weeks. I've multiplied it 499 00:25:15,118 --> 00:25:17,878 Speaker 3: by twenty four. No, no, no, no, that's by seven. 500 00:25:20,438 --> 00:25:23,318 Speaker 3: And I'm like, what, he goes, Yeah, it's all it's 501 00:25:23,358 --> 00:25:25,518 Speaker 3: all we have. That's a stipend for the head coach. 502 00:25:26,078 --> 00:25:29,398 Speaker 3: No assistant coach money, no recruiting money. Just got in 503 00:25:29,398 --> 00:25:32,798 Speaker 3: my car and drove and the guys know it. I mean, 504 00:25:32,838 --> 00:25:35,118 Speaker 3: I got great friends in the game that know that 505 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,238 Speaker 3: I just drove my car. And I didn't know what 506 00:25:37,238 --> 00:25:42,718 Speaker 3: I was looking at either, but I was NonStop. The 507 00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:46,078 Speaker 3: woman of my life, Michelle is now that she's from Hawaii, 508 00:25:46,118 --> 00:25:51,718 Speaker 3: she never never had been the Notre Dame. She's still 509 00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:55,558 Speaker 3: there as a tenured professor. Wow, and we're still great friends. 510 00:25:55,758 --> 00:25:58,238 Speaker 3: She's still there. She got it. She decided to get 511 00:25:58,238 --> 00:26:02,638 Speaker 3: her PhD in biology and genetics, and she's still there 512 00:26:02,638 --> 00:26:06,838 Speaker 3: as a tenured professor. And god, what a story. She 513 00:26:06,878 --> 00:26:08,758 Speaker 3: had never even she heard a Notre Dame. But she 514 00:26:09,678 --> 00:26:11,958 Speaker 3: was a student at the Claremont Colleges at the time. 515 00:26:12,038 --> 00:26:15,118 Speaker 3: And I met her when she was a graduate assistant 516 00:26:15,118 --> 00:26:19,198 Speaker 3: in volleyball, and we were together seven years. And she 517 00:26:19,198 --> 00:26:21,798 Speaker 3: she laughs about it now, telling me like, you know, 518 00:26:21,878 --> 00:26:24,638 Speaker 3: you were just so committed, you motiv motivated me. That 519 00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:26,838 Speaker 3: I started thinking, like, I need to be like this. 520 00:26:27,678 --> 00:26:29,758 Speaker 3: What she didn't know is I had no idea what 521 00:26:29,798 --> 00:26:32,678 Speaker 3: I was doing. I was just I was just seven 522 00:26:32,718 --> 00:26:35,838 Speaker 3: am to midnight every night, just worrying about making Notre 523 00:26:35,918 --> 00:26:39,518 Speaker 3: Dame baseball great. But you know, the ego, the ego 524 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,278 Speaker 3: starts to get in there when you start winning a 525 00:26:41,318 --> 00:26:44,598 Speaker 3: bunch of games. And we won right away, and and 526 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:47,798 Speaker 3: of course it wasn't that hard to do that, but 527 00:26:48,838 --> 00:26:51,558 Speaker 3: because of you know, Midwestern baseball at the time was 528 00:26:51,598 --> 00:26:54,238 Speaker 3: not that good and I had great kids. I had 529 00:26:54,678 --> 00:26:59,198 Speaker 3: the right kids, and Uh, anyways, your ego starts trickling 530 00:26:59,238 --> 00:27:01,398 Speaker 3: in there a little bit. And then by the time 531 00:27:01,398 --> 00:27:03,758 Speaker 3: I got the ASU, it was a lot about myself 532 00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:07,438 Speaker 3: that held us back. We did become, you know, a 533 00:27:07,478 --> 00:27:11,198 Speaker 3: great national program and back to the World Series a 534 00:27:11,238 --> 00:27:14,558 Speaker 3: number of times, but it was still a little bit 535 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:18,358 Speaker 3: too much about me. So, yeah, you learn those lessons 536 00:27:18,358 --> 00:27:21,198 Speaker 3: and ebbs and flows, and it's just it's as Joe 537 00:27:21,238 --> 00:27:25,358 Speaker 3: can tell you, it's constant. Uh. This profession is so wonderful, 538 00:27:25,438 --> 00:27:30,518 Speaker 3: it's so incredible that you know, it teaches you everything 539 00:27:30,878 --> 00:27:34,758 Speaker 3: you need. And I just I'm so passionate about young 540 00:27:34,838 --> 00:27:39,158 Speaker 3: coaches about them, you know, getting it right because they're 541 00:27:39,198 --> 00:27:42,598 Speaker 3: so It's such an important position, especially in high school 542 00:27:42,638 --> 00:27:44,318 Speaker 3: and college, it's so important. 543 00:27:44,758 --> 00:27:49,838 Speaker 4: That's a great recap, honestly of pretty much everything, I mean, 544 00:27:50,398 --> 00:27:53,118 Speaker 4: your everybody's feeling in the passion that Merph Scott for 545 00:27:53,238 --> 00:27:57,478 Speaker 4: this situation, for this game, all the different stops, all 546 00:27:57,478 --> 00:28:00,718 Speaker 4: the different lessons, and the fact that you know when 547 00:28:00,798 --> 00:28:03,638 Speaker 4: without the mentors, I mean, that's the thing that uh, 548 00:28:03,958 --> 00:28:06,118 Speaker 4: I really see it is being important and valuable today 549 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:07,838 Speaker 4: in today's game. I'd like to see more of that. 550 00:28:08,358 --> 00:28:10,598 Speaker 4: I like to see more mentors within the minor league, 551 00:28:10,598 --> 00:28:13,358 Speaker 4: not necessarily for players, but I like to see more 552 00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:16,798 Speaker 4: mentors for coaches. I don't think that we're hiring enough 553 00:28:17,038 --> 00:28:22,318 Speaker 4: former major league or professional caliber coaches players and go 554 00:28:22,398 --> 00:28:24,358 Speaker 4: back to the minor leagues and pass the game along 555 00:28:24,598 --> 00:28:28,238 Speaker 4: to the next group and next generation of coaches. I'm 556 00:28:28,278 --> 00:28:31,718 Speaker 4: still concerned that it's too much data driven regarding what 557 00:28:31,758 --> 00:28:34,078 Speaker 4: we're teaching and how we're teaching it. And I'd really 558 00:28:34,118 --> 00:28:37,718 Speaker 4: like to see some very strong. 559 00:28:37,438 --> 00:28:40,478 Speaker 3: Good base It's change, that's it's got to change, you know, 560 00:28:41,398 --> 00:28:44,758 Speaker 3: because we know the next phase in this game is psychology, 561 00:28:44,878 --> 00:28:47,638 Speaker 3: right Like, we don't really know, like I don't know 562 00:28:47,678 --> 00:28:51,078 Speaker 3: about your specific cases and your teams, but the sports 563 00:28:51,118 --> 00:28:53,718 Speaker 3: psychologists it's a very tough spot to put him on 564 00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:56,318 Speaker 3: a major league bench and help him. So we got 565 00:28:56,318 --> 00:28:59,318 Speaker 3: to educate. In my opinion, we've got to educate coaches 566 00:28:59,518 --> 00:29:03,878 Speaker 3: on how to become that psychologists themselves and how to 567 00:29:04,078 --> 00:29:08,638 Speaker 3: how to help young people. I'm not talking about serious 568 00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:12,678 Speaker 3: mental issues where you can go to your employee assistance guy, 569 00:29:12,998 --> 00:29:15,598 Speaker 3: I get it. I'm talking about the psychology of sport 570 00:29:16,078 --> 00:29:19,238 Speaker 3: and just how you're going to handle yourself day to day. 571 00:29:19,798 --> 00:29:22,038 Speaker 3: I think we need to educate coaches so we can 572 00:29:22,078 --> 00:29:26,198 Speaker 3: do that. Then the data can help us. It does 573 00:29:26,238 --> 00:29:28,158 Speaker 3: help us. I mean the data helps us, there's no 574 00:29:28,198 --> 00:29:30,438 Speaker 3: doubt about it. But it still comes down to people. 575 00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:32,478 Speaker 3: This game is played by people. It will always be 576 00:29:32,518 --> 00:29:36,118 Speaker 3: played by people in that person's mental state, including the 577 00:29:36,198 --> 00:29:41,078 Speaker 3: manager and coaches. Those mental states are vital and if 578 00:29:41,078 --> 00:29:43,998 Speaker 3: we can keep them at a great level, we've got it. 579 00:29:44,038 --> 00:29:46,398 Speaker 3: And I think that's the next wave. Even though it 580 00:29:46,438 --> 00:29:49,118 Speaker 3: can't be measured, I think the emphasis has got to 581 00:29:49,118 --> 00:29:49,398 Speaker 3: be there. 582 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:51,678 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point where if I think what 583 00:29:51,678 --> 00:29:53,758 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and we've talked about a lot here 584 00:29:53,798 --> 00:29:58,998 Speaker 1: on the podcast is teaching and what coaching means. It 585 00:29:59,038 --> 00:30:01,518 Speaker 1: doesn't mean just passing along data. We all love the 586 00:30:01,598 --> 00:30:04,598 Speaker 1: data and we know how useful it is, but there's 587 00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:07,758 Speaker 1: another skill associated with it, and that's the delivery of it. 588 00:30:08,318 --> 00:30:11,158 Speaker 1: And it sounds like you see yourself as an educator 589 00:30:11,478 --> 00:30:14,438 Speaker 1: more so than as a quote unquote major League baseball manager. 590 00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:17,158 Speaker 1: And my guess is that's that's not going to change 591 00:30:17,198 --> 00:30:19,198 Speaker 1: now that you are a manager of the Milwaukee Brewers. 592 00:30:19,518 --> 00:30:22,638 Speaker 4: Mer Scott one year, Scott one year man, things are 593 00:30:22,718 --> 00:30:23,558 Speaker 4: things aren't changing. 594 00:30:24,238 --> 00:30:25,238 Speaker 5: This is who he is. 595 00:30:25,318 --> 00:30:29,918 Speaker 4: This is a perfect read indicator of who this man is. 596 00:30:30,398 --> 00:30:31,798 Speaker 5: This is not going to change. 597 00:30:32,078 --> 00:30:33,878 Speaker 4: This is exactly what it's going to look like that 598 00:30:33,958 --> 00:30:38,238 Speaker 4: first day at spring training in the Milwaukee Top House 599 00:30:38,318 --> 00:30:40,238 Speaker 4: and Maryvale this year, it's going to be exactly the same. 600 00:30:40,558 --> 00:30:43,238 Speaker 4: This is who he is and that's wonderful and the 601 00:30:43,238 --> 00:30:44,198 Speaker 4: game means more of that. 602 00:30:44,398 --> 00:30:45,718 Speaker 3: Thanks, Joe, I appreciate you. 603 00:30:45,798 --> 00:30:48,238 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, tell me about your team, Murph. 604 00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:51,398 Speaker 1: The Brewers are in kind of a kind of strange 605 00:30:51,438 --> 00:30:56,078 Speaker 1: spot here with no Brandon Woodruff. You've got Corbyn Burns 606 00:30:56,198 --> 00:30:58,678 Speaker 1: and Willia Domas entering their last year in a contract 607 00:30:58,678 --> 00:31:01,638 Speaker 1: with Milwaukee, get some good young players coming up in 608 00:31:01,678 --> 00:31:04,438 Speaker 1: the minor league system. What excites you about this group 609 00:31:04,478 --> 00:31:07,358 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and I and listen, I know 610 00:31:07,478 --> 00:31:09,158 Speaker 1: we still have the off season in front of us. 611 00:31:09,198 --> 00:31:11,318 Speaker 1: Things can change, But as we sit here today, what 612 00:31:11,358 --> 00:31:11,758 Speaker 1: do you like? 613 00:31:12,238 --> 00:31:15,478 Speaker 3: I mean, the young energy is just it's it's incredible, man, 614 00:31:15,998 --> 00:31:19,438 Speaker 3: It's uh, yeah, I love the I just love it. 615 00:31:19,478 --> 00:31:21,478 Speaker 3: I love the young energy. You know, Like these guys 616 00:31:21,478 --> 00:31:24,998 Speaker 3: are willing. I think they can be uh it can 617 00:31:25,038 --> 00:31:28,278 Speaker 3: be guided a little bit. They're at that good phase. 618 00:31:29,598 --> 00:31:31,878 Speaker 3: They're at that good phase of their career. They're hungry, 619 00:31:32,318 --> 00:31:35,198 Speaker 3: they're willing to do whatever. We've got some kids with 620 00:31:35,238 --> 00:31:41,998 Speaker 3: aptitude that that that they're exciting, you know. And yeah, 621 00:31:42,238 --> 00:31:44,358 Speaker 3: and we got the good veterans. I mean Yelich. If 622 00:31:44,398 --> 00:31:47,358 Speaker 3: you spend time with Yelich, you just you love this guy. 623 00:31:47,998 --> 00:31:53,438 Speaker 3: I mean he's humble, beyond belief, and he's a baseball player. 624 00:31:53,958 --> 00:31:56,878 Speaker 3: You know, when you start you start realizing what this 625 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,118 Speaker 3: guy's accomplished in the game, and how long he's played 626 00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:00,838 Speaker 3: in the major leagues and how long he's done it 627 00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:04,318 Speaker 3: at a pretty consistent level. His bad years are decent years. 628 00:32:04,718 --> 00:32:08,118 Speaker 3: You know, like he's just really really consistent, and he 629 00:32:08,198 --> 00:32:11,038 Speaker 3: doesn't in a way that doesn't really light up the 630 00:32:11,838 --> 00:32:15,038 Speaker 3: analytics because he doesn't hit a lot of fly balls. 631 00:32:15,118 --> 00:32:17,398 Speaker 3: You know, he hits line drives and ground balls. He 632 00:32:17,478 --> 00:32:19,878 Speaker 3: hits the ball the other way. He runs the bases, 633 00:32:20,678 --> 00:32:22,918 Speaker 3: but hey, snuck in there that forty home run here, 634 00:32:23,398 --> 00:32:26,598 Speaker 3: another thirty plus home run here or whatever, and you 635 00:32:26,598 --> 00:32:28,958 Speaker 3: know you start to think, wow, he can do that 636 00:32:29,038 --> 00:32:33,918 Speaker 3: every year. But now he's he's a great veteran to have, 637 00:32:34,038 --> 00:32:39,158 Speaker 3: and you know we've got losing Woody Joe. You've got 638 00:32:39,198 --> 00:32:41,598 Speaker 3: a guy in your career that you can look at 639 00:32:41,638 --> 00:32:45,158 Speaker 3: and go, this was a dude, man. I mean he 640 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:48,718 Speaker 3: and he was humble and still hungry, and it was 641 00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:52,558 Speaker 3: all about the right stuff. He's all about the right 642 00:32:52,598 --> 00:32:56,198 Speaker 3: stuff and he was just getting better. So to lose 643 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,798 Speaker 3: him to injury, I still got this twinge of hope 644 00:32:59,798 --> 00:33:02,798 Speaker 3: that somehow we sign him even though he can't pitch 645 00:33:02,838 --> 00:33:06,038 Speaker 3: this year, because he's so influential in our locker room. 646 00:33:06,078 --> 00:33:08,758 Speaker 3: It doesn't try to be, but he's just it's who 647 00:33:08,798 --> 00:33:10,078 Speaker 3: he is, big wolf. 648 00:33:10,598 --> 00:33:13,238 Speaker 2: It's beautiful, sounds like Johnny Lester Joe. 649 00:33:13,598 --> 00:33:17,078 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's there's those guys we've all had him. 650 00:33:17,678 --> 00:33:21,758 Speaker 4: There's and again you're talking about immeasurables. Just his personality, 651 00:33:21,878 --> 00:33:26,038 Speaker 4: is his just being his presence within the group, the 652 00:33:26,118 --> 00:33:27,878 Speaker 4: difference that makes within that group. 653 00:33:28,678 --> 00:33:31,638 Speaker 5: That's the kind of stuff that I really I have 654 00:33:31,678 --> 00:33:32,238 Speaker 5: paid a lot. 655 00:33:32,158 --> 00:33:34,318 Speaker 4: Of attention to and I know you have also, And 656 00:33:34,358 --> 00:33:35,958 Speaker 4: these are the kind of things that again, try to 657 00:33:35,998 --> 00:33:37,198 Speaker 4: measure this up, and it's hard. 658 00:33:37,198 --> 00:33:39,278 Speaker 5: How do you how to exactly measure that. We'll put like, 659 00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:39,918 Speaker 5: we'll say he's. 660 00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:42,278 Speaker 4: Got eighty makeup, but how do you break that down? 661 00:33:42,318 --> 00:33:44,478 Speaker 4: And is everybody going to listen to you? It's so 662 00:33:44,598 --> 00:33:47,838 Speaker 4: important to have those guys within the group. Beyond the 663 00:33:47,878 --> 00:33:50,038 Speaker 4: actual of course you have to have town. Of course 664 00:33:50,038 --> 00:33:52,358 Speaker 4: you have physical talent, you have to have good players, yes, 665 00:33:52,838 --> 00:33:55,038 Speaker 4: but once you get all that stuff lined up, I 666 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:59,078 Speaker 4: like David Ross being my backup catcher in twenty sixteen. 667 00:33:59,198 --> 00:34:02,158 Speaker 4: As an example, Johnny Lester when he came over that 668 00:34:02,278 --> 00:34:04,318 Speaker 4: was that's still one of the best free agents signs 669 00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:06,158 Speaker 4: of the last I don't know, fifteen to twenty years 670 00:34:06,398 --> 00:34:10,078 Speaker 4: doesn't get enough press or talked about often enough. Johnny 671 00:34:10,118 --> 00:34:12,358 Speaker 4: Lester was that much of a difference maker. You want 672 00:34:12,558 --> 00:34:15,798 Speaker 4: Johnny Lester in a big game. So these are the 673 00:34:15,878 --> 00:34:17,758 Speaker 4: kind of things and guys that when I was with 674 00:34:17,878 --> 00:34:19,678 Speaker 4: the Rays in two thousand and eight, we got over 675 00:34:19,678 --> 00:34:21,438 Speaker 4: the hump because we had good players. 676 00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:22,958 Speaker 5: We got Andrew made some nice trades. 677 00:34:22,998 --> 00:34:27,838 Speaker 4: But then here came Cliff Floyd, Troy Percival, and Rik 678 00:34:27,878 --> 00:34:31,318 Speaker 4: Kinsky all at once, and they just totally turned our 679 00:34:31,358 --> 00:34:34,358 Speaker 4: clubhouse around. She had a bunch of nice young players, 680 00:34:34,398 --> 00:34:38,638 Speaker 4: but without those three guys, even in limited roles, could 681 00:34:38,678 --> 00:34:39,078 Speaker 4: not have done it. 682 00:34:39,118 --> 00:34:39,758 Speaker 5: Could not have done it. 683 00:34:39,758 --> 00:34:41,838 Speaker 4: So those are the kind of things to me that 684 00:34:41,998 --> 00:34:45,198 Speaker 4: I think needs to be to pay more attention to. 685 00:34:45,398 --> 00:34:48,438 Speaker 4: I mean, talent's always gonna be the writing factor, no question, 686 00:34:48,598 --> 00:34:50,718 Speaker 4: but you have to have the glue guys to bring 687 00:34:50,718 --> 00:34:51,518 Speaker 4: it all together to. 688 00:34:51,438 --> 00:34:52,038 Speaker 5: Make it work. 689 00:34:52,678 --> 00:34:54,798 Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's a good day for me to hear 690 00:34:54,838 --> 00:34:57,278 Speaker 3: that I'm going into a meeting at three thirty with 691 00:34:57,638 --> 00:35:00,878 Speaker 3: our front office. And yeah, a good day to hear that, 692 00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:04,398 Speaker 3: because that's that's really what we're sitting on that you know, 693 00:35:04,398 --> 00:35:08,438 Speaker 3: we're sitting on that interesting side note, Joe, I got 694 00:35:08,438 --> 00:35:11,798 Speaker 3: to tell you this where our lives are connected. We 695 00:35:11,838 --> 00:35:14,918 Speaker 3: had a issue signed John Lester to come and play 696 00:35:14,958 --> 00:35:18,838 Speaker 3: for us as a two way guy right Seattle. Yeah, 697 00:35:18,958 --> 00:35:21,678 Speaker 3: two way. I mean he could. I thought he could 698 00:35:21,678 --> 00:35:23,998 Speaker 3: swing the bat. I know he had a rough start, but. 699 00:35:25,518 --> 00:35:27,198 Speaker 5: That's two of the because I love this swing. 700 00:35:27,198 --> 00:35:29,158 Speaker 4: I said, tell him, I told you, but Johnny's going 701 00:35:29,198 --> 00:35:32,398 Speaker 4: to hit and he had an Opra one thousand. I said, no, no, 702 00:35:32,438 --> 00:35:34,358 Speaker 4: this guy's got a good swing. Then all of a sudden, 703 00:35:34,358 --> 00:35:36,358 Speaker 4: he starts popping balls in the left central Did you 704 00:35:36,398 --> 00:35:40,158 Speaker 4: ever see him hit a golf balls out of sight? 705 00:35:41,158 --> 00:35:42,838 Speaker 4: That's sorry, I didn't mean to rept you, but I'm 706 00:35:43,678 --> 00:35:45,678 Speaker 4: I'm on the same bad way with I've always thought 707 00:35:45,718 --> 00:35:47,758 Speaker 4: Johnny lester and he was one of He was possibly 708 00:35:47,838 --> 00:35:50,158 Speaker 4: the best bunner I had on that team in Chicago. 709 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,398 Speaker 4: He was the best bunner. 710 00:35:51,518 --> 00:35:55,278 Speaker 3: So we I flew my assistant to Seattle to see 711 00:35:55,318 --> 00:35:58,718 Speaker 3: him play flight delay. One thing leads to another. Traffic 712 00:35:58,758 --> 00:36:01,958 Speaker 3: in Seattle didn't realize it, or traffic wherever, trying to 713 00:36:01,958 --> 00:36:04,198 Speaker 3: think of the town he was from, and they was. 714 00:36:04,678 --> 00:36:07,918 Speaker 3: He then got there. He said, I saw one at 715 00:36:07,918 --> 00:36:12,998 Speaker 3: bat and I saw one inning pitching. I said, what 716 00:36:12,998 --> 00:36:15,678 Speaker 3: do you think? He goes, I think it's real, And 717 00:36:16,078 --> 00:36:19,278 Speaker 3: everybody around here says it's real. Whatever. He came for 718 00:36:19,318 --> 00:36:22,758 Speaker 3: a visit, we signed him to scholarship. They issue and 719 00:36:22,798 --> 00:36:26,078 Speaker 3: the Boston took him in this as their first pick, 720 00:36:26,158 --> 00:36:27,318 Speaker 3: but it was a second round pick. 721 00:36:27,478 --> 00:36:27,678 Speaker 5: Wow. 722 00:36:27,958 --> 00:36:31,478 Speaker 3: And yeah, I've always kidded him after that, like Leicster, 723 00:36:31,798 --> 00:36:33,998 Speaker 3: I know, you can hit man. And then we couldn't 724 00:36:33,998 --> 00:36:37,358 Speaker 3: beat him when he was in Chicago against us. You know, 725 00:36:37,438 --> 00:36:39,718 Speaker 3: he had the trouble picking off and had the trouble 726 00:36:39,718 --> 00:36:41,438 Speaker 3: throwing the bases and all that, and we had all 727 00:36:41,438 --> 00:36:43,918 Speaker 3: these plans and the guy would just end us beat 728 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:47,598 Speaker 3: He just beat us. He put aside that and he 729 00:36:47,798 --> 00:36:51,318 Speaker 3: just throw that cutter you know, back door cutter down 730 00:36:51,318 --> 00:36:53,998 Speaker 3: and in cutter up and in cutter. I mean, he 731 00:36:54,118 --> 00:36:57,238 Speaker 3: just he dominated us. He's metal monster. I loved it. 732 00:36:57,718 --> 00:37:00,798 Speaker 4: We got by that by just telling him, don't worry 733 00:37:00,798 --> 00:37:03,038 Speaker 4: about the runner. Do the things that you do do well, 734 00:37:03,078 --> 00:37:05,918 Speaker 4: you step off, because step off right, you could, you 735 00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:08,118 Speaker 4: could quick step and you could pitch out through. 736 00:37:08,038 --> 00:37:08,918 Speaker 5: Those three things. 737 00:37:09,078 --> 00:37:10,838 Speaker 4: And don't worry about the runner, and that he was 738 00:37:10,918 --> 00:37:12,678 Speaker 4: one one two to play the. 739 00:37:13,198 --> 00:37:14,358 Speaker 5: Right exactly what are you gonna do? 740 00:37:14,358 --> 00:37:16,638 Speaker 4: And then the runners, we get such large leaves, they 741 00:37:16,678 --> 00:37:19,198 Speaker 4: felt they're they're in an area that they felt so 742 00:37:19,318 --> 00:37:21,998 Speaker 4: uncomfortable with it that they could not and then you 743 00:37:22,038 --> 00:37:25,078 Speaker 4: have Contreras picking on the backside. Nobody even gave Wilson 744 00:37:25,198 --> 00:37:27,678 Speaker 4: enough credit for the back pick right there that really 745 00:37:28,038 --> 00:37:30,358 Speaker 4: really tethered runners the first base. I know we're going 746 00:37:30,438 --> 00:37:31,758 Speaker 4: up in the diet Troy by here, but I'm a 747 00:37:31,798 --> 00:37:34,038 Speaker 4: Johnny Lester guy, big time. 748 00:37:34,238 --> 00:37:36,238 Speaker 2: Hey, Murph, Two more quick questions for you. 749 00:37:36,398 --> 00:37:38,998 Speaker 1: Number one, I got to know what number you're wearing 750 00:37:39,038 --> 00:37:42,198 Speaker 1: as manager of the brewers, because this was a couple 751 00:37:42,238 --> 00:37:44,038 Speaker 1: of years ago. You had number fifty nine and you 752 00:37:44,078 --> 00:37:46,238 Speaker 1: gave it up for John Axford when he came along, 753 00:37:46,358 --> 00:37:49,158 Speaker 1: and for some reason you took number double zero, right, 754 00:37:49,278 --> 00:37:50,078 Speaker 1: So are you keeping that? 755 00:37:50,198 --> 00:37:52,278 Speaker 3: Or they gave me double zero? I didn't. I didn't. 756 00:37:52,318 --> 00:37:58,078 Speaker 3: I didn't. It fits Milki Shaugar our clubhouse manager or whatever. 757 00:37:58,118 --> 00:38:01,718 Speaker 3: He's vice president or something now. But I give them 758 00:38:01,718 --> 00:38:06,278 Speaker 3: a hard time. Hokie gave me zero zero And then 759 00:38:06,838 --> 00:38:09,998 Speaker 3: I they said me, manager, what number do you want 760 00:38:09,998 --> 00:38:12,918 Speaker 3: to wear? And I said, I started at Notre Dame, 761 00:38:13,998 --> 00:38:18,758 Speaker 3: same situation. I started with twenty one Berto Clementi, and 762 00:38:19,478 --> 00:38:21,358 Speaker 3: I said, it's twenty one available. It seems like too 763 00:38:21,358 --> 00:38:23,598 Speaker 3: good of a number for a manager, you know, like, 764 00:38:25,118 --> 00:38:27,398 Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to take away a player's 765 00:38:27,478 --> 00:38:30,398 Speaker 3: number that you know, it's pretty nice number twenty one. 766 00:38:30,478 --> 00:38:32,958 Speaker 3: So I showed up for the press conference and they 767 00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:33,678 Speaker 3: had number. 768 00:38:33,438 --> 00:38:36,278 Speaker 2: Twenty one, So yeah, it is very cool. 769 00:38:36,518 --> 00:38:38,998 Speaker 3: Half of forty two awesome. I wore forty two at 770 00:38:38,998 --> 00:38:42,758 Speaker 3: a issue and twenty one day, well done. 771 00:38:42,758 --> 00:38:44,318 Speaker 2: I love that story. I love the when there's a 772 00:38:44,358 --> 00:38:45,638 Speaker 2: meeting behind those numbers. 773 00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:50,798 Speaker 1: And finally, I can't wait for how many times thirteen 774 00:38:50,838 --> 00:38:53,038 Speaker 1: times is going to happen when you manage this year 775 00:38:53,078 --> 00:38:56,838 Speaker 1: against the Chicago Cubs and you look across that diamond 776 00:38:57,198 --> 00:38:59,918 Speaker 1: and there's Craig Council trying to outwit you. 777 00:39:00,518 --> 00:39:01,918 Speaker 2: What is that going to be? 778 00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:07,358 Speaker 3: Like, I won't pee hard. I mean counts counts. A 779 00:39:07,398 --> 00:39:10,758 Speaker 3: thirty seven year relationship counts and I and it's taken 780 00:39:10,838 --> 00:39:13,638 Speaker 3: on so many forms. As a seventeen year old in 781 00:39:13,718 --> 00:39:16,358 Speaker 3: Milwaukee County Stadium working out while I was eating dinner 782 00:39:16,398 --> 00:39:21,278 Speaker 3: with sal Bando, hitting on the field with Salbando Junior, 783 00:39:21,878 --> 00:39:26,838 Speaker 3: and I'm watching from the suite to player at Notre 784 00:39:26,918 --> 00:39:32,238 Speaker 3: Dame two friend going through the minor leagues to living 785 00:39:32,278 --> 00:39:37,078 Speaker 3: together in Arizona when he played for the Diamondbacks, meeting Michelle, 786 00:39:37,118 --> 00:39:42,478 Speaker 3: his wife, who's definitely his better ass, you know, just 787 00:39:42,638 --> 00:39:45,238 Speaker 3: knowing all his kids, and then becoming his bench coach, 788 00:39:45,638 --> 00:39:51,398 Speaker 3: you know, watching him his first first first try it coaching, 789 00:39:51,558 --> 00:39:55,878 Speaker 3: you know, and watching him and really just learned. I 790 00:39:55,878 --> 00:39:58,598 Speaker 3: mean I learned a great deal. And people called me 791 00:39:58,718 --> 00:40:02,438 Speaker 3: his mentor believe me, believe me. I learned so much 792 00:40:02,478 --> 00:40:04,838 Speaker 3: from him and watching him do it. He taught me 793 00:40:04,878 --> 00:40:09,438 Speaker 3: the major league game. Yeah, it's how's it gonna be? 794 00:40:09,518 --> 00:40:11,158 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't think about it. 795 00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:12,878 Speaker 5: Gonna be weird, It'll be weird, that's right. 796 00:40:13,118 --> 00:40:15,158 Speaker 1: Yeah, for you, Joe, when you were going up against 797 00:40:15,238 --> 00:40:17,438 Speaker 1: say Mike's Soosha, do you get the job with Tampa? 798 00:40:17,558 --> 00:40:18,358 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 799 00:40:18,798 --> 00:40:22,358 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is I think, you know, there's 800 00:40:22,398 --> 00:40:25,878 Speaker 4: a little bit higher level of mental acuity at that point. 801 00:40:26,678 --> 00:40:28,718 Speaker 4: Just being honest, you just go into it that way. 802 00:40:28,758 --> 00:40:31,678 Speaker 4: I think maybe after the first couple of meetings it'll 803 00:40:31,678 --> 00:40:33,758 Speaker 4: relax a little bit. But the first couple of meetings 804 00:40:33,798 --> 00:40:37,038 Speaker 4: in even like going back Downheim Stadium for the first 805 00:40:37,038 --> 00:40:38,438 Speaker 4: time when I went to the Raids was like, wow, 806 00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:40,798 Speaker 4: I got I got kicked out of the first three 807 00:40:40,838 --> 00:40:43,398 Speaker 4: games that I managed at Anaheim, I think something like 808 00:40:43,438 --> 00:40:46,598 Speaker 4: that play at first base, a couple of arguments with 809 00:40:46,638 --> 00:40:49,038 Speaker 4: the umpire close play if we were terrible, I mean 810 00:40:49,038 --> 00:40:50,958 Speaker 4: I was a devil Ray we were awful, but I 811 00:40:50,998 --> 00:40:53,758 Speaker 4: got kicked out I think three games, and then eventually 812 00:40:54,398 --> 00:40:56,558 Speaker 4: things settle in and then you start kicking their butt. 813 00:40:56,638 --> 00:40:59,838 Speaker 5: So that's just how it works. But it's called. 814 00:40:59,638 --> 00:41:01,958 Speaker 4: Being a human being. You just can't help it. And 815 00:41:02,078 --> 00:41:03,638 Speaker 4: like you said, just gonna go do it. You're gonna 816 00:41:03,638 --> 00:41:06,798 Speaker 4: go do it. You're going to tell yourself to be chill, 817 00:41:06,918 --> 00:41:10,078 Speaker 4: do this whatever, read deeply. But when the game begins 818 00:41:10,198 --> 00:41:13,598 Speaker 4: or as you see the cubs on that side and 819 00:41:13,638 --> 00:41:16,198 Speaker 4: there were standing there, it's just natural and you'll get 820 00:41:16,238 --> 00:41:16,438 Speaker 4: over it. 821 00:41:16,718 --> 00:41:17,358 Speaker 5: You'll get over it. 822 00:41:17,358 --> 00:41:19,038 Speaker 3: It's just it's not about me, you know what I mean. 823 00:41:19,118 --> 00:41:21,158 Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm thinking about, Like it ain't it 824 00:41:21,198 --> 00:41:24,038 Speaker 3: ain't counts versus me and the type of thing. It's 825 00:41:24,118 --> 00:41:26,718 Speaker 3: just that you know, I have my heart attack counts 826 00:41:26,718 --> 00:41:28,838 Speaker 3: as at my bedside for like four hours. I had 827 00:41:28,878 --> 00:41:30,838 Speaker 3: to kick him out of the kick him out of 828 00:41:30,878 --> 00:41:34,078 Speaker 3: the rooms. It counts. Get out of here, man, let's go. 829 00:41:34,718 --> 00:41:37,318 Speaker 3: You got better things to do. I mean, I'm fine 830 00:41:37,678 --> 00:41:40,958 Speaker 3: and uh, I mean he's a beautiful man. Uh. We'll 831 00:41:40,958 --> 00:41:45,158 Speaker 3: be friends for life. This this little you know, how 832 00:41:45,158 --> 00:41:47,438 Speaker 3: many years we go against each other ain't kind of matter. 833 00:41:47,598 --> 00:41:49,478 Speaker 3: And we might get pissed at each other, so what 834 00:41:49,838 --> 00:41:51,558 Speaker 3: I was pissed at him half the year every year, 835 00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:55,398 Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter. You know, we'll we'll always come through. 836 00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:58,198 Speaker 3: We He means a lot to me, his family means 837 00:41:58,198 --> 00:42:01,038 Speaker 3: a lot to me. And but this is this is 838 00:42:01,038 --> 00:42:04,958 Speaker 3: what we do, and we'll compete each other against each 839 00:42:04,998 --> 00:42:06,078 Speaker 3: other like crazy fun. 840 00:42:06,478 --> 00:42:08,838 Speaker 1: Can't wait for it, Murph. This has been a pleasure, man, 841 00:42:09,118 --> 00:42:12,118 Speaker 1: my pleasure. From Tri City Triplets to the Milwaukee Brewers. 842 00:42:12,158 --> 00:42:14,718 Speaker 1: It's been quite a journey, and it's the good part 843 00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:15,838 Speaker 1: is only just beginning now. 844 00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:17,318 Speaker 2: I'm sure it just keeps getting better. 845 00:42:17,358 --> 00:42:19,158 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time and best of luck 846 00:42:19,198 --> 00:42:20,638 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and beyond. 847 00:42:20,998 --> 00:42:23,558 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I love you to both man, 848 00:42:23,598 --> 00:42:25,798 Speaker 3: it's really really cool getting to know you guys. 849 00:42:25,878 --> 00:42:28,158 Speaker 4: Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Murph to you and your family 850 00:42:28,158 --> 00:42:30,078 Speaker 4: there too, all right, buddy, thank you to you. 851 00:42:30,078 --> 00:42:32,238 Speaker 1: Alsome all right, Joe, this has been a great visit 852 00:42:32,318 --> 00:42:34,078 Speaker 1: with Murph, and we're gonna wrap it up with some 853 00:42:34,158 --> 00:42:35,718 Speaker 1: closing thoughts right. 854 00:42:35,598 --> 00:42:36,158 Speaker 2: After this. 855 00:42:47,078 --> 00:42:51,118 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe and Joe. That 856 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,238 Speaker 1: was as fun as I thought it would be. Murpha 857 00:42:53,358 --> 00:42:56,518 Speaker 1: is just a true gem in this game. And the 858 00:42:56,598 --> 00:42:59,958 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers, I give them a lot of credit for 859 00:43:00,198 --> 00:43:02,598 Speaker 1: giving him the job. A guy who obviously has been 860 00:43:02,638 --> 00:43:05,118 Speaker 1: there under credit council for eight years knows the system, 861 00:43:05,158 --> 00:43:08,238 Speaker 1: knows the player easy transition to make. But in this 862 00:43:08,358 --> 00:43:10,318 Speaker 1: day and age, I give them credit for stepping up 863 00:43:10,358 --> 00:43:11,558 Speaker 1: and hiring the right guy. 864 00:43:12,198 --> 00:43:12,478 Speaker 5: Yeah. 865 00:43:12,518 --> 00:43:15,998 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just by listening to this entire podcast 866 00:43:16,118 --> 00:43:19,158 Speaker 4: do you find out who he is? And who he 867 00:43:19,358 --> 00:43:21,598 Speaker 4: is is pretty much the guys that I grew up with, 868 00:43:22,278 --> 00:43:25,078 Speaker 4: that kind of conversation, that kind of banter, that kind 869 00:43:25,118 --> 00:43:28,398 Speaker 4: of experience level, that kind of passion for the moment, 870 00:43:28,958 --> 00:43:32,118 Speaker 4: and having so many different ideas and the ability to 871 00:43:32,158 --> 00:43:35,118 Speaker 4: convey those ideas. That's what I really have always liked 872 00:43:35,158 --> 00:43:37,078 Speaker 4: about Murph a lot. Or like he talked. We used 873 00:43:37,118 --> 00:43:41,078 Speaker 4: to talk constantly before games on the sidelines by the 874 00:43:41,078 --> 00:43:41,718 Speaker 4: batting cage. 875 00:43:41,718 --> 00:43:43,958 Speaker 5: It come by my dugout or dugout, and it. 876 00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:47,318 Speaker 4: Was always stuff, just stuff. Let me run this by you, 877 00:43:47,398 --> 00:43:51,558 Speaker 4: that kind of a thing, and it's just so straightforward, 878 00:43:51,678 --> 00:43:55,478 Speaker 4: and it's nobody's worried about anybody hurting anybody's feelings. It's 879 00:43:55,518 --> 00:43:58,718 Speaker 4: just so pure, like pure intentions. And that's that really 880 00:43:58,798 --> 00:44:01,918 Speaker 4: comes true. And that's what I really love about, for 881 00:44:02,038 --> 00:44:04,558 Speaker 4: lack of better phrase, a real baseball guy that's been 882 00:44:04,558 --> 00:44:07,558 Speaker 4: doing it forever. It's in his blood, it's who he is. 883 00:44:08,878 --> 00:44:11,238 Speaker 4: And this guy survived the heart attack a couple of 884 00:44:11,318 --> 00:44:14,758 Speaker 4: years ago, and he gets his opportunity to become a 885 00:44:14,798 --> 00:44:18,718 Speaker 4: major league manager because he's earned it, frankly has earned it. 886 00:44:18,758 --> 00:44:22,118 Speaker 4: So anyway, he's all those things and he is a throwback, 887 00:44:22,558 --> 00:44:26,318 Speaker 4: but he's also very contemporary, like he talks communicatively. This 888 00:44:26,358 --> 00:44:32,798 Speaker 4: guy really is able to draw analogies and create mental pictures. 889 00:44:32,878 --> 00:44:35,838 Speaker 5: I think that's really going to resonate with his young players. 890 00:44:35,838 --> 00:44:38,598 Speaker 4: And that's what I've always enjoyed about my conversations with 891 00:44:38,678 --> 00:44:39,038 Speaker 4: him too. 892 00:44:39,198 --> 00:44:40,918 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, while you were saying that, I'm 893 00:44:40,958 --> 00:44:44,238 Speaker 1: nodding my head because so many times I'll cover a 894 00:44:44,278 --> 00:44:46,718 Speaker 1: Brewers game and I'll find Murph and the dugout or 895 00:44:46,718 --> 00:44:49,278 Speaker 1: by the batting cage, and the same thing happens very 896 00:44:49,358 --> 00:44:52,638 Speaker 1: easy to talk to. A great communicator knows what he 897 00:44:52,678 --> 00:44:55,478 Speaker 1: doesn't know. You know, he doesn't have too much pride 898 00:44:55,518 --> 00:44:58,118 Speaker 1: where he doesn't want to ask you questions. He always 899 00:44:58,158 --> 00:45:00,078 Speaker 1: wants to learn. And I think that's the key to 900 00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:04,158 Speaker 1: remaining relatable and current. So when you have a situation 901 00:45:04,158 --> 00:45:07,038 Speaker 1: where you have all these this years of wisdom, again 902 00:45:07,158 --> 00:45:10,478 Speaker 1: twenty five years as a college coach, six years managing 903 00:45:10,478 --> 00:45:12,318 Speaker 1: the miners, eight years as the bench coach in the 904 00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:14,558 Speaker 1: major leagues, when you've had all that wisdom and you 905 00:45:14,718 --> 00:45:18,198 Speaker 1: are current and contemporary, man, that is some combination. And 906 00:45:18,478 --> 00:45:21,158 Speaker 1: again give Matt Arnold credit for making the higher because 907 00:45:21,158 --> 00:45:24,838 Speaker 1: a lot of these younger gms are more comfortable hiring 908 00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:29,918 Speaker 1: like minded younger managers, and some get I think personally, 909 00:45:29,958 --> 00:45:32,558 Speaker 1: some get either intimidated or just don't find the older 910 00:45:32,598 --> 00:45:36,078 Speaker 1: managers relatable to the way they look at baseball. 911 00:45:36,478 --> 00:45:37,118 Speaker 2: And I give the. 912 00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:39,958 Speaker 1: Brewers credit for hiring a guy who, let's face, I 913 00:45:40,038 --> 00:45:41,798 Speaker 1: think he's going to make an impact on this team. 914 00:45:41,998 --> 00:45:44,358 Speaker 1: And you look at the way the game is trending, Joe, 915 00:45:44,838 --> 00:45:47,078 Speaker 1: the last three teams to win the World Series, look 916 00:45:47,118 --> 00:45:52,958 Speaker 1: at the managers. Brian Snicker, Dusty Baker, Bruce Bocci. I 917 00:45:52,998 --> 00:45:55,598 Speaker 1: mean the game is coming back here where the game 918 00:45:55,678 --> 00:46:00,358 Speaker 1: belongs to the players when it comes to the rules, Younger, 919 00:46:00,678 --> 00:46:05,758 Speaker 1: more athletic, more dynamic, faster pace. At the same time, 920 00:46:05,838 --> 00:46:08,358 Speaker 1: I think it's coming back in terms of the dugout 921 00:46:08,598 --> 00:46:11,278 Speaker 1: to valuing experience as well. 922 00:46:11,598 --> 00:46:14,678 Speaker 4: And the type of game that's being enacted during the 923 00:46:14,718 --> 00:46:18,398 Speaker 4: course of the game. Really, managers that have done this before, 924 00:46:18,438 --> 00:46:21,358 Speaker 4: and I've always said it's really when I ever managed 925 00:46:21,398 --> 00:46:23,678 Speaker 4: against a guy that used to manage in the minor leagues, 926 00:46:23,678 --> 00:46:26,318 Speaker 4: at some point you have to be on your toes this. 927 00:46:26,318 --> 00:46:27,878 Speaker 5: This guy's not going to miss anything. 928 00:46:28,238 --> 00:46:31,798 Speaker 4: My point is that Murph will if there's an opportunity 929 00:46:31,838 --> 00:46:34,318 Speaker 4: to try or do something in a moment, it's not 930 00:46:34,358 --> 00:46:35,398 Speaker 4: going to get past them. 931 00:46:35,438 --> 00:46:37,718 Speaker 5: It's not going to be like, oh man, I wish 932 00:46:37,798 --> 00:46:39,358 Speaker 5: I had done that, How did I miss that? 933 00:46:39,758 --> 00:46:42,038 Speaker 4: You don't do that because you're always in advance of it, 934 00:46:42,598 --> 00:46:44,598 Speaker 4: and he's going to see things and it's it's really 935 00:46:45,278 --> 00:46:47,998 Speaker 4: it's good. It is good, and I'm very happy for him. 936 00:46:48,038 --> 00:46:51,198 Speaker 4: We've been talking about that. I agree with you. He's 937 00:46:51,198 --> 00:46:53,838 Speaker 4: going to bring a real a real source of energy. 938 00:46:53,838 --> 00:46:57,198 Speaker 4: You plug into mirth. You absolutely plug into mirth and again, 939 00:46:57,278 --> 00:46:58,678 Speaker 4: like he kind of intimated, you have that a little 940 00:46:58,678 --> 00:47:00,678 Speaker 4: bit of thick skin here. Now he's going to tell 941 00:47:00,678 --> 00:47:02,158 Speaker 4: you what. He's not gonna tell what you want to hear. 942 00:47:02,158 --> 00:47:03,838 Speaker 4: He's gonna tell you what he really believes and thinks. 943 00:47:04,118 --> 00:47:07,278 Speaker 4: He's a truth teller. And that's the part about him 944 00:47:07,278 --> 00:47:08,478 Speaker 4: that I really dig Also. 945 00:47:08,398 --> 00:47:12,118 Speaker 1: Well said, and speaking him well said, you always close 946 00:47:12,158 --> 00:47:14,958 Speaker 1: our episodes with words of wisdom. 947 00:47:15,158 --> 00:47:16,838 Speaker 2: So what do you have today for us? Joe? 948 00:47:17,038 --> 00:47:19,198 Speaker 4: Well, I knew the guest was going to be right, 949 00:47:19,798 --> 00:47:22,238 Speaker 4: and so I was just hanging out here my little 950 00:47:23,158 --> 00:47:25,878 Speaker 4: new place down here in Tampa for the next five months, 951 00:47:25,958 --> 00:47:29,318 Speaker 4: and I said, okay, So I used the word persistence, 952 00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:31,598 Speaker 4: and I went through a couple of different things, and 953 00:47:31,958 --> 00:47:34,118 Speaker 4: it really came out about Oh, Ben Franklin had it 954 00:47:34,198 --> 00:47:38,158 Speaker 4: way back in the day, energy and persistence conquer all things. 955 00:47:38,838 --> 00:47:41,038 Speaker 4: There you go, murph right there. I mean, the guy's 956 00:47:41,038 --> 00:47:43,678 Speaker 4: been nothing but a ball of energy. And you cannot 957 00:47:43,678 --> 00:47:46,398 Speaker 4: be more persistent than he is, whether it's things that 958 00:47:46,478 --> 00:47:48,518 Speaker 4: he knows and feels good about or things that he's 959 00:47:48,518 --> 00:47:52,358 Speaker 4: seeking to gain more understanding and knowledge about. So that's 960 00:47:52,358 --> 00:47:54,758 Speaker 4: who he is. He's a ball of energy. He's like 961 00:47:54,798 --> 00:47:56,958 Speaker 4: the socket in the wall right there. You plug into him, 962 00:47:57,278 --> 00:47:59,078 Speaker 4: and I promise you're going to be like that every day. 963 00:47:59,478 --> 00:48:00,758 Speaker 2: Energy and persistence. 964 00:48:00,838 --> 00:48:03,078 Speaker 1: I love that, and I think if you're a Brewers fan, 965 00:48:03,758 --> 00:48:06,478 Speaker 1: that's how you can expect your team to play next 966 00:48:06,518 --> 00:48:07,518 Speaker 1: year Undermurph. 967 00:48:08,518 --> 00:48:09,478 Speaker 5: I a great thank you. 968 00:48:09,878 --> 00:48:11,918 Speaker 2: It's been a lot of fun, Joe. Thanks to joining it. 969 00:48:11,918 --> 00:48:12,758 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. 970 00:48:12,998 --> 00:48:14,158 Speaker 5: Thank you, brother, appreciate it. 971 00:48:20,918 --> 00:48:24,118 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. 972 00:48:24,358 --> 00:48:29,318 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 973 00:48:29,438 --> 00:48:31,238 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.