1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: And what it's like to be siblings. We are a 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: sibling ravalry. 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth. 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Ravelry. 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: That's good, all right, everybody, all of our sibling revelry listeners. 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: I am solo today. I am sons Olivier Hudson. 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: Which I'm kind of happy about, even though I always 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: love having him around. Sometimes it's nice. I will break 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: and h and I get to interview like an absolute 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: icon because she gave birth to the biggest icon out there. 14 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Right now, I get to interview Tina Knowles, and I'm 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: very excited because I just want to know everything about 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: beautiful daughters, Beyonce and Solange. And yes, I can't wait, 18 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's get started. 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: How beautiful and how were you? I am? 20 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: So I'm really good. I'm currently an aspen and yeah, 21 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: and it's beautiful, I'll bet, yeah, it's gorgeous. And I'm 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: just I'm just so happy to be here, and I'm 23 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: so happy to talk to you. 24 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time. I 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: know it has been a long I was thinking. 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: I was thinking about the first time I'm meting you. 27 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: And you might not even remember, but we were at 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: Jay's I think it was his thirty fifth birthday, it 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: was his fortieth, it was his fortieth. 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I think it was his fortieth. Okay, So that was 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: a fun party. It was a really fun part that was, 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, Carter Club or something. 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had so much fun. I knew we'll talk 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: about her mom. 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 4: You were saying that kind of reminded you of your 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: mom because she was fun, And. 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship 38 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: I was in at the time, and I was sitting 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: off on this on like a sort of away from 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: the house, a little bit on the beach, and I 41 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: remember I looked out to my right and I saw 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: this like beautiful goddess just walking down the beach. And 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: she walked up and it was your daughter, and Beyonce 44 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: just sat. We sat and we had one of the 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: great conversations. But she told me, yeah, it was just 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: one of those things I'll never I'll never forget because 47 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: she was so she was very helpful at that time 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: for me. And but I'm excited to talk to you 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: because you've had such an interesting, amazing life and gave 50 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: birth to such powerful women. What do you think has 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: been the most sort of powerful foundation of your life? 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Probably just my upbringing, you know, with my mom. 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 4: I had a super close relationship with my mother. My 54 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: mother was forty four when she had me, which back 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: then was you know, I was born in nineteen fifty four, 56 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: so she was you know, older mom, and I was 57 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: pretty much a life because you know, other kids were older, 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: and we had this really really close relationship. And then 59 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: when I became a teenager, it was very strained. 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: My relationship with my mom up until probably around eighteen. 61 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: We went through kind of a rough package. 62 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: And really, yeah, but if I had to say what 63 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: was my foundation, it absolutely was my family and just 64 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: growing up really poor in the South with a lot 65 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: of racism, and. 66 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: And it just taught me to be a fighter really 67 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: early on. 68 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: But you know, we lived in Galveston, Texas, this little, 69 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 4: tiny little island outside of Houston, and you know, it 70 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: was segregated. You know, talk in the book about being 71 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 4: like five or six and having a ride at the 72 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: back of the bucks and not really ever thinking about 73 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: it because you just went on the bus and you 74 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: got to the back of the bus. But then one 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: day it was just so hot and my sister and 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: I used to catch the bus downtown and I went 77 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: and sat at the front of the bus and my 78 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: sister came up and she was like, you know, you 79 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: can't sit up here. 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's the first time I really realized. Yeah, 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: before that, I hadn't thought about segregation or anything like that, 82 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: even though we lived in a black neighborhood and you know, 83 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: I went to a black Catholic school and anyway, it 84 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: was the first realization of racism. And there was a 85 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: lot of it then. You know. 86 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: It was like we couldn't eat at the lunch counters 87 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: and we couldn't there were a lot of things that 88 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: we had colored restaurants and a colored hospital and the 89 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: whole thing. 90 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very big part of my upbringing. 91 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, it couldn't be the most defining thing, 92 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: especially foundational years and then having that experience and then 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: coming out of that time like what an interesting childhood, 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, and trauma and traumatizing, Yeah, for. 95 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 4: Sure, it is so interesting because you know that I'm 96 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 4: still living and I'm seventy one. But like, my dad 97 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: worked in assault mine in Louisiana, as all the people 98 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 4: on this little island called Weeks Island outside of New Ibery, Louisiana. 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: It was an island that was actually a slave a 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: slave plantation with the biggest slave owner. He bought this 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: little island so that the slaves couldn't they couldn't escape 102 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: because there was completely surrounded by alligators. So I was 103 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: familiar right about like going on now. 104 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: And so. 105 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: My dad worked in the salt mine, who was thirty 106 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: years old, and the salt mine blew up. They prematurely 107 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: set off dynamite and it blew up, and so it 108 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 4: trapped my dad and another man in the mind. And 109 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: at that time they didn't dig for people. 110 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: So he had nine brothers and like six cousins and 111 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: they were the whole black crew of the salt mines. 112 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: And so they told him, no, you got to go home. 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 4: They blow the whistle, send everybody home. And then my 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: dad's brothers and his cousins got together after or they 115 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: closed shut it down, and they broke in use equipment 116 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: and dug him out and they saved my dad. He 117 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: lost my spearing eye, ear and his left eye. So anyway, 118 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: my dad started talking to union people. These guys came 119 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: to town and they were like, if you were in a union, 120 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: that wouldn't have they wouldn't have been able to do 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: this to you, but they would trouble so that my 122 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: dad was warned not to speak with him. My dad 123 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: kept talking to him and his next younger brother and 124 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: they actually set their house on fire and they left 125 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: Louisiana with only to close on their back and they 126 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: went to Texas. 127 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy, it's a move. 128 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: They could break this up, right, I guess you know 129 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: when you think about like who you were as a 130 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: little girl, and do you think the reason why you 131 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: and your mom started to have that riff was just 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: because you became rebellious or was there? Yeah, part of it. 133 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: But the other part was that my mom was so 134 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: overly protective of me because she didn't have anything else 135 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: to do, and so they were really overprotective, and I 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: just felt like she never trusted me, so she was 137 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 4: always thinking that. 138 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: I was like, she was like, go put some clothes on. 139 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: You know, I was a seventy so like I mean 140 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 4: when I graduated in nineteen seventy two, but when I 141 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 4: was a teenager, I made all my clothes, me and 142 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: my nephew, and so I would have these little midrif 143 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 4: tops on and loan. Yeah, and she she just always 144 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: made me feel like she didn't trust me. But you know, 145 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: we wound up getting back together. At eighteen, I left 146 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: home and I moved to California, and I saw some 147 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: mamas out there that made me go call my mama 148 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: and say best mama, no, because I was so mad 149 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: at her, down on her, and you know, I said 150 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: to her, I said, Mom, why did you never trust me? 151 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: Why do you think I was always up to pat 152 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: and six or I was gonna get pregnant or whatever. 153 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: And she said, Teeney, it wasn't you that I didn't trust. 154 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: I just didn't trust the world with you. 155 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: I think girls, you know, especially ones that are you know, 156 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: have are a bit sassy. I know I was that 157 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: that individuation is necessary. It's like super important, and it's 158 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of what we're supposed to do. It's like I'm 159 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: not my mother, I'm my own person, you know, And 160 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: so it makes that that really the mother daughter relationship 161 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: can be very complex. It's super important, but so so complex. 162 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Was your were your mom and dad creative? And did 163 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: anybody have Was there music in your life before you 164 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: had your girls? 165 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 4: Well, as far as music is concerned, my mom and 166 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: dad's song when they were young, not profession at all, 167 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: but they had like a little canteen thing. And I 168 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: didn't find this out until I was older that they sang. 169 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: And then my ex husband was in the singing group 170 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: when he was in school. I was in a singing group. 171 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: Like in black culture, Motown days, everybody had singing groups. 172 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: So I was one. 173 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: And so when Beyonce came along, you know, he played 174 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: the piano and we sang all the time to her 175 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: and music was always played. It was how we calmed 176 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: her down, and he sang to my stomach, which I 177 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: attribute to a lot of the musicality. 178 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: That she has. 179 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 4: You know, she's sometimes it's a little It was amazing 180 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 4: because she started to harmonize when she's like six years old. 181 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 4: But I think I'm hearing all those harmonies in the womb. 182 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, my daughter does the same thing. It's oh 183 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: my god, we were doing the other day. She's completely harmonized. 184 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: Her harmonize. It was crazy, and it is where did 185 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: you learn that? 186 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 4: And she was like, I don't know, but you're a 187 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: singer too, So it just I think it's something that 188 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: they have. 189 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we just sang a lot when they were little, 190 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: but and they would hear music all the time. What 191 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: is their age difference in five years? Five years? 192 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: And so with two like very different daughters, Like, how 193 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: do you how did you manage that dynamic? Was that challenging? 194 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't as challenging for me because I love the 195 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: fact that they were really different and kind of celebrated 196 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: it and really spent time with them individually. I think 197 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: that's the key to it. It was harder because people get, 198 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: you know, when they have multiple kids, sometimes it's so 199 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: much easier to put them together. But five years, they 200 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: don't want to really. Yeah, they're different in each other's space, 201 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: especially the older one. The little one would love to 202 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: hang out with the older kids. 203 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my that all my kids are seven years apart, yes, 204 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: stem it, Yeah, seven years apart. I have twenty one, 205 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: fourteen and six. Wow, And so it's almost like I 206 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: had all this individual time with each of us. I 207 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: love though, Yeah, I agree. 208 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: I thought it was. I thought it was so great 209 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: because they got so. 210 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Much of me. Oh you yeah, you know. And then 211 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: and then it's very interesting seeing like the different like 212 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: I've got. I've got three kids and three completely different generations, 213 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that's right, and I like goudy different. 214 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: They're all so different. 215 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have similarities, but they're all incredibly different. And 216 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I've had to parent them differently. Yeah, 217 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: they just needed different things, and they do need different things. 218 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: But it's it's fun to watch, you know. As we 219 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: do this podcast, it's a lot about like family dynamics 220 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: and siblings connections of it. Yeah, it's really it's been 221 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: really eye opening. And the sibling relationship is so powerful 222 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: and people don't talk. 223 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: About it really enough. 224 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: It's it's actually they're starting to see as like one 225 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: of the most, if not the most important relationship because really, 226 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: well because your parents, I mean obviously is the foundation 227 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: of what you are. But as they get older and 228 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: your life goes on, as they pass on, your siblings 229 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: are the ones who are there with you throughout everything. 230 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: And I've never thought about that, but it's true. 231 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: And they and they also have different perspectives of the 232 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: same this like how you're raised so and especially for 233 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: probably you because you were so much younger than your siblings, 234 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: they probably had different parents. 235 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: Probably it was. 236 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely and this is what you know, my sister always 237 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: one of my sister's birth down to her tenth birthday, 238 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 4: so she said I came to the world screwing her life, 239 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: and her party was canceled, and then my mom showed 240 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 4: up three days later said this is your difference. 241 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: She was like, I don't want that men. 242 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: That sounds like my brother. 243 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah she did. 244 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: She wasn't that nice when I was growing up, Like 245 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 4: we were never close, and then when we got older, 246 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: now we're like so close. But it took a lot 247 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: of effort at work because you know, and she says 248 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: to me all the time, she's like, you got the 249 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: best of mom, because by the time you came along, 250 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: you know, we were all gone and things were better. 251 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: But you know, she wasn't the same person, because I'm like, 252 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: my mom was the sweetest, nicest and she's like, you know, 253 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: and so we have two different parents. 254 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I remember, uh 255 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: actually interviewing Tay Diggs and his brother and they had 256 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: completely different childhood experiences. Oh yeah, really really different, really interesting. Yeah, 257 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, I think it's it's it's when 258 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: there's a when there's that age gap, it does happen. 259 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: I know for me with Ryder, I'm a very different 260 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: mother with Ronnie than I was with Poor Rider. 261 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, my oldest. 262 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: Son, I was like, you know, twenty four and still 263 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: partying and having you know, going out and waking up, 264 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: like waking up at six to feed him and then 265 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: going back to sleep, and you know, he got he 266 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: got the wild mom. 267 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: I wonder. 268 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: For you with the girls, like, was there a specific 269 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: moment where you knew other than like that you know, 270 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: music was what calmed her down, but when you really 271 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: knew like oh this is like real talent to pursue 272 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: into like a support. 273 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well. Beyonce, it was seven. 274 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: She was seven, and her dance teacher, you know, beyonda say, 275 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: was really shy and very shy around somebody she didn't know. 276 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: But at home with us, she was like so dancing 277 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: and singing and doing all this putting on shows. But 278 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: then she'd get around people and just be quiet around 279 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: other kids, and so we put her in dance to 280 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 4: try to get her out of her shyness. And her 281 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: dance teacher I call her her stage mother. She you know, 282 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: she was like she told me one day, she's like, 283 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: she can really sing, and I say, yeah, she can sing. 284 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: But you know, it's your kids, so you don't want 285 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: to be the kind of person that's like, oh, she's 286 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: so special, because everybody thinks their kids are special. And 287 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: so she entered her into this. She went to a 288 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: Catholic school and she entered her into a talent show 289 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: for all the Catholic schools. And I didn't want her 290 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 4: to compete because they had high school kids competing. 291 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: I was like, that's so unfair. She's only seven. She's like, no, 292 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: she can win. So this woman. 293 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: Entered her into this contest and her dad worked with 294 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 4: her a little bit on this song, and then we 295 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: went to this Timlent thing and I'm just expecting, oh, 296 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: she's that's so cute. And she got out there and 297 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: killed it and got to stand in ovation and won 298 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 4: the contest. That's when I said, God, this girl becomes 299 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: somebody else on stage, because off stage she was this 300 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 4: shy person, but on that stage she just commanded it 301 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 4: and her confidence came so of course we were going 302 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 4: to encourage that because she became this really confident person. 303 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Oh, it's like she's she she has very like specific composure, 304 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, and. 305 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: I like that. 306 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: I like that She's always kind and always sweet. But 307 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: she you know, she holds good boundaries, I think. Yeah, 308 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: with Solange, do you think part of her entry into 309 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: music had to do with watching her sister? 310 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, yeah, it was just a part of 311 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: our household. 312 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 4: She went to that same dance school, and you know, 313 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: I can remember salons being We laugh about it all 314 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: the time because she was like three or four, and 315 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: you know, they wouldn't let the little kids come out 316 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 4: and do the little, real simple stuff, but she would 317 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: always do the choreography with the kids, and so her 318 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: dance teacher stage mother started letting her go out and 319 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: do like little solos and stuff. So she was just 320 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: destined from that's all they did. They didn't They weren't 321 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 4: normal kids. My sister used to say, your kids are 322 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: so weird. All they want to do is put on shelves. 323 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to see another damn show. No, that's 324 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 4: what they did all the time. 325 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: So at the time that they were doing this, what 326 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: were you doing fashion or were you designing? 327 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 4: I owned a hair salon, and I actually when I 328 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: had Clange, I was married for five years. I was 329 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 4: home with Beyonce the whole time. I didn't work outside 330 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: the home, but I always seld and made my own 331 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 4: clothes and made friends clothes and did their hair and 332 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 4: then make up. Like I've always been into fashion, but 333 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: I didn't have a job outside the home. And then 334 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 4: my marriage got really rocky, and I was like, I 335 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 4: gotta you know, I've been out of a workforce for 336 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: four years. I got to go do something. So I've 337 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 4: been going to beauty school, but not to literally be 338 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: a hairstylist, just because I was always fascinated with it 339 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 4: and I needed to do something. And so I just 340 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 4: buckled down, got finished, and I literally had clone, because 341 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I went through hell during my pregnancy with Solange. 342 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 4: With my husband, he just lost his mind. He was 343 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: going through a mid life crisis kind of early actually, 344 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: And and so by the time I had Salon, my 345 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 4: breastfed fed her for eight weeks, took her to her 346 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 4: grandmother the next week, and I had a salon already ready. 347 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: So I got out of the school, took the boards, 348 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 4: passed them and went straight in them all salon and 349 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: you know, thank god, it was just super successful, really quick. 350 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 4: And then I within a year I opened a big 351 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: salon of twenty four styllars, so I had one of 352 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: the largest ons. 353 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 354 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, my ex financed the whole thing. He was always 355 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: super supportive. I opened my salon and once, you know, 356 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: he went and got counseling and he and we got 357 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 4: it together for years after that, and then you know, 358 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: it always kind of resurfaced his his inability to hold 359 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 4: things together. 360 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 361 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, wise, not career wise, but marriage. 362 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: It happens. Yeah, I was. 363 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: I was saying to a friend you know that was 364 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: going through something with their partners. It seems to be 365 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: in the air. 366 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends going through things. 367 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: And the thing that always happens that the older you get, 368 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's just, you know what, it's just not 369 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: that easy. Everyone says it's supposed to be easy, but 370 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: it's really not. Go through it. 371 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: To me, it's marriage, you. 372 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: Were, relationships and having to constantly grow and move together 373 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: with one person is really challenging. 374 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: It is very challenging. 375 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know this idea that it's like, 376 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: you know, I see some people they're like, you know, 377 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: it's always been easy, and it's like, like really so rare. Yeah, no, 378 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: I That's what I'm saying. There's like one one to 379 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: two people I know that's always was like it's just is, 380 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, always been easy. But it sounds to me like, 381 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, it becomes very clear within like five minutes 382 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: of talking to you where your girls get their strength. 383 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: You are an incredibly strong woman. I'm let's talk about 384 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: your fashion and your love for it and like what 385 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: you think defines personal style. 386 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: I kind of have this. 387 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I 388 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually 389 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: creating style, their own style. It's a bits it used 390 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: to be so different, like in the late nineties and 391 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: when Beyonce and I were both coming up at the 392 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: same that time, Yes, we didn't have like stylists and 393 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: like we were creating our own vibe and that doesn't 394 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: really exis just as much anymore. 395 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: I wonder how you feel about us. 396 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: Well, you know, my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings 397 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 4: about john Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know 398 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 4: if you heard that that chief spandex it looks a mess. 399 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 4: It's it's a whole thing with that. But he was 400 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 4: my nephew, and he was gay, and he was my 401 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: very best friend growing up, and so he was he 402 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes. 403 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: So I grew up making my own clothes and us buying, 404 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 4: putting our money together to buy a Volgue magazine and 405 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: trying to copy the things that were in there. My 406 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: mom was seems just my grandmother was seeings. Just my 407 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: great grandmother was seamstress, and so it's just been passed 408 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 4: down and so fashion was. 409 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: Always a big old part of what who we were. 410 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 4: And we were these really poor kids, but I live 411 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 4: were really confusing because we went to a private school, 412 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: Catholic school, and you know later I found out when 413 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: I was fourteen that my mother was bartering. So my 414 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: dad show up with the nuns. We lived across the 415 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: street from the school. My brother's cleaned the school yard. 416 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: My mom made all the altar clothes and the uniforms, 417 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 4: and she did all the sewing. So it was and 418 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: we were the best stressed kids, even though we were 419 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: really poor. It was quite confusing, but fashion was just 420 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 4: always at the center of our lives and we were 421 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 4: the best stressed little kids. 422 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: My mom would go to good Will. 423 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 4: And Salvation Army get me these really good shoes, Buster 424 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: brown Shoes. She would be determined until she founded some 425 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 4: Buster brown Shoes, and we were just it was. It's 426 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 4: just always been a part of our lives. So when 427 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: the Girls started and the record company wouldn't give me 428 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: money to buy them designer clothes, they might give me 429 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: fifteen hundred dollars before girls, I would take it and 430 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: buy expensive fabric and copy something or or are just 431 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: design it from scratch and make these costumes? 432 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: What was your I have tunesas down now to questions, 433 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: because the first part of that is I'd love to 434 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: know who your when you were younger, who your style 435 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: icon was, Like, who did you look up to that 436 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: you were like. 437 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: Oh, my god, Like I just loved Diana Ross in 438 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 4: the Spring, Yeah, you. 439 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: Know, I was there there. 440 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: She's like ten years older than me. So my sister 441 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: was a huge fan. She had all their music. But 442 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: I mean, for me to watch them on TV, the 443 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: costumes that they wore were unbelievable. 444 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Oh the best. 445 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to be here because I was you know, 446 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 4: I was in a singing group and I was skinny 447 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: like her, and I would just move do all her moves. 448 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Diana Rock. 449 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: Oh. 450 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: She was my style icon, which is really interesting because 451 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 4: because you know, it was mostly like costume stuff. So 452 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: when I was doing this Destiny's Child, that's the criticism 453 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: that I got all the time. They dogged me out 454 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: as a designer because they would always say the stuff 455 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 4: is too over the top and it's too dramatic, and 456 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 4: it's too shiny, and it's too too, too, too too. 457 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 4: But they were stay, you know, they were on stage. 458 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: It was awesome. 459 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: You know. 460 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like, 461 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, who like critics. You want you always want 462 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: people to like what you do. But then you sometimes 463 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: you think you're like, wait, who are these faceless people? 464 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: Like what did they do that made them the person 465 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: that can actually tell you know, it's like you can't 466 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: listen to any of it. 467 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: And they probably would say we were real fashioned people, 468 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: and she. 469 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 4: Was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. So 470 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: I was real insecure about that for a long time. 471 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: And they used to dog me out. But you know, 472 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: it's funny because when I look back on some of 473 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 4: that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good. 474 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: Yes, I wonder what your crowning moment was with Destiny's Child, Like, 475 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: what was except one of their looks that you were 476 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: the most proud of. 477 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: Two things stand out. One thing is when things started 478 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: changing for me as far as really being more secure 479 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: in myself as a designer. Was the Fold Fashion Awards. 480 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: They used to have this fashion Award. I don't know 481 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: if you remember that. 482 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: We went to this Fold Fashioned Ward, and of course 483 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: I made these outfits for them, and when we got there, 484 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how 485 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: they had affected the fashion world. And I was like, 486 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 4: oh my god, you know, and I remember them getting 487 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: an award for their customs and they remade their costumes 488 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 4: and they had whole like a little fashion moment. 489 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: I was like so shocked. And they brought me on stage. 490 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: And Kelly says at that speech, she'say, and I'm getting 491 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 4: choked up about it because you know, at that time 492 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: I was really in dog down. 493 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: And she brought me on. 494 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: They brought me on stage and she said, all of 495 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: these costumes that y'all are clapping for, this lady did them. 496 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: And you know, it's kind of changed things because people 497 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: started respecting me a little more because they were quite abusive. 498 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: Like I remember being on a red carpet with them 499 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 4: and this girl said, almost knows that you make the 500 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: costumes and I said yeah. And she said when they 501 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 4: were little, did you make their Halloween costumes? And I 502 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 4: was like yeah, and she said yeah, because this is one. 503 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: Oh no. It was the meanest oh no. 504 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: And I said, well, I'm glad you recognized it because 505 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 4: you're wearing one too, and so you know, I can 506 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: snap back. I am from Galveston, Texas. So I snapped 507 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 4: back and I said, oh, you got on one too. 508 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: But I was crushed and I was like, I think 509 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this anymore. Like I just 510 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 4: there was so many times that I just the girls 511 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: would have to talk me off the ledge because they 512 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: were like, no, don't pay attention to them, you know. 513 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: And so it was that was my first time I 514 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: got really recognized and didn't feel I mean, I felt 515 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 4: good about it, you know, but it was tough. 516 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: I'm actually like shocked hearing this. I think it's. 517 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: Amazing to you know, for me, like that was such 518 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean that era Dustiny's Child so huge, Their look was. 519 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: Such a huge. Part of it was absout what we loved. 520 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 4: You know, and on the record label and I talk 521 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: about it in the book. They had a meeting with 522 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: my ex husband and they said, you know, if you 523 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: want them to cross over to a white audience, then 524 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 4: we have the MS. Tina is not the answer, you know, 525 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 4: we need to get rid of her. Oh no, I 526 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: went through a lot of stuff. But you know, but 527 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: they hung in there with me and were you know, 528 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 4: they were they they didn't buckle under the pressure. And 529 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: thank god, you know, because it was it was I 530 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 4: think it set them apart. 531 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: You know. 532 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, this is so crazy you're talking 533 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: about this time. 534 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: And I remember with Beyonce. 535 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: It was the Golden Globes and they were doing this 536 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: big MTV you know thing at the Golden Globes. It 537 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: was the year I won the Golden Globe and Andre 538 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: three thousand was up on a I could see because 539 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: I loved Andrea and I loved Dusty's child. I could 540 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: see Andre three thousand up at on like a balcony. 541 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: And then and then I saw your daughter. I saw 542 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and she was and then she ended up interviewing me, 543 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, asking all these questions. I 544 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: remember looking at her and like the whole time, I 545 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: was like, gosh, she's just so insanely beautiful. I was like, 546 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: you get lost in Beyonce, you know. And then and 547 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: then someone actually sent me that footage and you can 548 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: see me just going yeah, yeah, and I'm just staring 549 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: at her, like, my god, she's beautiful. It was so cute. 550 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: How is your personal style evolved? Like as you get 551 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: older and as you look at like kind of your 552 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: evolution of like the seventies into your you know, how 553 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: for you, Like, how is it? 554 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: How is it shifted? 555 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: Well? 556 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: I went through. 557 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 4: A period where I just wore suits, and I still 558 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 4: wore suits most places because I just love a good 559 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 4: tailor cuts and I love Alexander Queen like broad shoulders 560 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: and uh. But this past, like the last couple of years, 561 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 4: I'm tired of suits and I want to wear dresses 562 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: and I want to be more feminine and not so 563 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: like you know, with power suit things. So I think 564 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: it's changing all the time, you know, I'm with sexy 565 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 4: stuff at seventy one. 566 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: It's also like I think, I know it sounds crazy. 567 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that just loves clothes so much. 568 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's almost as it feels like it 569 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: could be a sickness. You know. It's like I can't 570 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: I love my closet. 571 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: I like I could go. 572 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I could spend hours in my closet, just like, you know, 573 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: figuring it out. I like the idea of you know, 574 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I go in and I may I do all 575 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: these outfits. I sort of do all my own styling, 576 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: and I make these outfits. I take pictures of them, 577 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: and then I go back can I look at them 578 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: and like half of them are like what the fuck 579 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: was I thinking? 580 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: Sometimes when I look at the Destiny Show, I'm like 581 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: they might have had a point. 582 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes crazy And Beyonce says it all the time too. 583 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 2: She was like, Mama, what were we thinking? I was like, 584 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. But it worked for the time. You know, 585 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: were you? 586 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: Like, you helped build businesses and you're obviously a huge 587 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: part of are you still you? And you worked on 588 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: this closed still well? 589 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 4: What I do now is like the tour that they 590 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 4: just went on. I hired the stylist, I keep the budgets, 591 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 4: which is really hard because she has probably Beyonce alone 592 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 4: has maybe three hundred costumes for the for the tool No, 593 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 4: she changes every night like three or four things and 594 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist. 595 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: The last tour, I hired four. 596 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 4: People, a team of four people, four style and that's 597 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 4: not even including the dancer, styllars, the accessory stylists. Then 598 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 4: it's a big, big, big operation because it's five hundred 599 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 4: people on that tour, and that's how big the tour is. Wow, 600 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 4: And she changes so much and then you have like 601 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 4: twenty seven dancers and then you have a badness like 602 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 4: twelve people and she wants them to change, and so 603 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 4: that's a big operation. So I kind of just head 604 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 4: up that whole fee of how keeping the budgets tumble 605 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 4: sheet every single day. So it's you know, it's a lot, 606 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: it's a lot of work. People don't understand. For her 607 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: to change three and four times a night with costumes 608 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 4: for that many people is such a big undertaking. And 609 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 4: I think it's like forty regular people in wardrobe that 610 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: travel to every city. Then we hire about twenty more people, 611 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 4: so it's a lot to keep together. 612 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure were It was really fun celebrating the last show. 613 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: I love it, I know, and this time it was 614 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: I got to see it in l A. I brought 615 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: my daughter and it was so cute because she was 616 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: just completely obsessed with Blue Ivy and Roomy and Ronnie 617 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, like that's all. 618 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: Six and a half. Well that's so cute. Yeah, but 619 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 2: I love it. 620 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Ronnie couldn't believe. She's like, like, like 621 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: to see Roomy on on the stage, you know, and 622 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: she was like me and she was like, I mean 623 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: it was almost like I didn't think of it about 624 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: it this, but you think people go and they'd be 625 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: inspired by you know, Beyonce and just but what the 626 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: little girls. To see the kids up there, this was 627 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: just as motivating like that, Like Ronnie's like, no, I 628 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: want to be I wanted to get. 629 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: Out there like like Blue Ivy. 630 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: And that's so cute. It was so cute. Did you 631 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: you were in Vegas and you celebrated the last show 632 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: and now it's everybody gets to just. 633 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 4: And I'm so really you know, it's great and it's fun, 634 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: but it was. I'm glad it's over. 635 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: How do you manage being mom the dynamic of mom 636 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: and daughter when you're together a lot of the time. 637 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 4: Well, it's you know, it's her show, it's her stuff. 638 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 4: She runs the show, and I'm just like everybody else 639 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 4: in terms of being you know, there to support her. 640 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 4: But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we're 641 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 4: we are mother and daughter. Yeah, and we have differences 642 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 4: and opinions or whatever. But you know, I have sense 643 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 4: enough to know that that's her stuff. Like she grew 644 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 4: up hearing all the time, this is my ship and 645 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 4: so that's her favorite thing, is this is my ship 646 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. So you know, concede 647 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 4: to that also. But we get along really, really really well. Yeah, well, 648 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 4: mother and daughter, we get along pretty good because I'm 649 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 4: known brought back, you know, and and not be a 650 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 4: moment and. 651 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 2: Just yeah, I think that's the interesting thing. 652 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: Like my mom has been pretty good with that as well, 653 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: Like she doesn't step in certain places. I think sometimes 654 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: what my mom does do, which is which I love, 655 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: is she'll check in with me if she can feel 656 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: that I'm overwhelmed or are you Yeah, and she'll check 657 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: in and be like, are you I'm feeling that you 658 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: might be over Are you okay, honey? 659 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 4: Yeah? 660 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 2: Like do you want to talk about anything? 661 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 4: Right? And that needs the difference, Lord, just to have 662 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 4: somebody that you can just be completing one hundred percent 663 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 4: volmed with and not have to be protected. 664 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, I would think that for both of your girls, 665 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: for you to sort of even just like be behind 666 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is 667 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: probably incredibly Yeah. 668 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 4: And I stay with the family the whole time so 669 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 4: that the kids have their grandmother and I can give 670 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 4: her a break, and I just try to support it 671 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 4: in any way I can. You know, Solange is very 672 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 4: different because Solange won't have me on tour. 673 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 2: She never had point. 674 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 4: I used to dress her, but she would take the 675 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 4: clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me. 676 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 4: You know, I need my space. So they're very different 677 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 4: in that way. 678 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: What's everybody's signs astrological? 679 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 4: Lange is a cancer Gemini, okay, and I think way 680 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 4: more Gemini than cancer. Just her family and the sensitivity 681 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 4: is so much like my mom cancer. Me as a 682 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 4: Virgo and I'm a Capricorn, so we are kind of 683 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 4: the same person a lot. You know, Jasons spread it 684 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. He was like, YouTube are 685 00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 4: the same person. You know, we're pragmatic, we're like patient, 686 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 4: we play in we're conservative to a certain degree, and 687 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 4: you know, so we get along. 688 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 2: Really really well. 689 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: I love it if you had like one moment to 690 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: look back at Beyonce and Solange, but particularly just Beyonce's 691 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: career has been It's just I mean, it's talk about icon, 692 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, she what we remembered forever for through time. 693 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: What was like the one moment where you kind of 694 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: looked at Beyonce it was like her stardom is bigger 695 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: than anything that I could have imagined. 696 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 4: You know, It's been a lot of moments like that, 697 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 4: But I think when she got on the first Stadium 698 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 4: tour and it was seventy thousand people, it was you know, 699 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 4: as long as I've been doing this, because I've been 700 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 4: doing it for twenty five years, that was a different 701 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 4: level of fandom. You know, it was like it was crazy. 702 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 4: And I think that I remember getting really emotional, crying 703 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 4: am because I'm like, how did we get here? Because 704 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 4: this is passed by so fast. But I think that's 705 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 4: when I really realized the effect that she has on, 706 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 4: you know. 707 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: World, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's phenomenal truly. 708 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: And and then do you ever have like mom moments 709 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: where you're like, I mean, of course she came from me. 710 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: Do you have around those ones where you're like, look 711 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: what I did. Look at my gorgeous daughters and how 712 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: powerful they are. 713 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: I think I think about it like that. I just 714 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 2: think about how blessed we are to be passionate about 715 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: something and for it to come to life like that. 716 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't take it for granted. Ever. 717 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 4: I will never be jaded to think, oh wow, yeah, no, 718 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 4: I'm still crying. I'm still like I can't believe this, 719 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 4: you know, I still post. I'm the biggest cheerleader. I'm 720 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 4: screaming louder that anybody want Blue and room me come out, 721 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 4: not as much for me, but for them. Like the 722 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 4: other night was the last show, and Oprah and Gail 723 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 4: were there, and Carrie White was and they were all 724 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: when my grandchildren came out, they all had their cameras 725 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 4: out because they were like, I can't believe you get 726 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 4: this excited. Because I get up to the front of 727 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 4: the riser and I get my and I'm like and 728 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 4: I'm screaming the whole time, and I'm like, I have 729 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 4: no shame, you know. I post twenty five videos and 730 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 4: then I get a call and if you all say, 731 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 4: I'll be like, Mama, can you not post so much? 732 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 2: Like come on now, know you ever going to stop hosting? 733 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 2: You don't mean to do you do it too much. 734 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 4: I'm never I never want to be jaded about it 735 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 4: or take benet or feel like, you know, it's still. 736 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 2: Really exciting them. It's so great. So I'm sure your 737 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 2: mom is for you because you know, to. 738 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: See yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. And there's also a 739 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: great feeling when you see your parents be be that 740 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: excited for you, for you, you know, it's like that you really, 741 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, no matter what, I know, we grow up 742 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: and there's things of like, you know, you do it 743 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: for yourself too, not always, but like there's nothing like 744 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: making your parents proud. It's nothing like it doesn't matter 745 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: how old you are, what kind of success, it's just 746 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: the best. 747 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 2: Feeling in the world. 748 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: And and but to sort of start to wrap up, 749 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: I wonder, like what. 750 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: Are you excited about? Like what are you excited. 751 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: About that, or dream about doing and you haven't done, 752 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: or like, what are you looking forward to? 753 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 4: I think for me, my life is I'm so happy 754 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 4: with my life. I mean I am. I just sometimes 755 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 4: I have to pinch myself because I'm like, I get 756 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 4: to travel, I get to meet people, I mentor inner 757 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 4: city kids in LA. It's one of the best experiences 758 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 4: of my life because, you know, just affecting it sounds corny, 759 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 4: but it's the honest to God truth. Like I get 760 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 4: to go over to Kip Academy and meet with these 761 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 4: kids on Mondays and affect how their lives are going 762 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 4: to turn out and exposing them to the arts. And 763 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 4: they're going to college now. And I mean, what better 764 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 4: feeling could you have than to do that? And then 765 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 4: I get to travel. 766 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: And meet people and and you know, I have to 767 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 2: pinch myself because I'm a little country girl from Galveston, 768 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 2: you know, and from this little small town. I'm not 769 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: formally educated. I didn't go to college, but I've gotten 770 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 2: the writer best selling book. I mean, god, I'm just 771 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 2: I'm so happy with my life. I really am. 772 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 4: And you know, I went through a divorce a couple 773 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 4: of years ago, and maybe it's been a year and 774 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 4: a half ago, and I finally, at seventy years old, 775 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 4: got it. And I talk about this in a book. 776 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 4: I got it that I would love to have love 777 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 4: in my life, but if I don't, I'm gonna be 778 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 4: just fine. And it's a shame that I had to 779 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 4: get me seventy to realize that I was enough by myself. 780 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 2: And I don't spare. 781 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 4: Woman and be able to say that because I've always 782 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 4: been taught to be humble and not to celebrate yourself. 783 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 4: And let you know, at this point, I say that 784 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 4: all the time. I don't give a shit and I'm 785 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 4: just being authentically who I am and free and I 786 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 4: am us enjoying life is the best. 787 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: It's the best. I love this somebody, you know there's 788 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: that's so liberating. Yeah, yeah, you've you've liberated yourself. 789 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 4: I'm kind of pissed because I'm likeing, why did I 790 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,240 Speaker 4: have to get to these seventy That's such a beautiful 791 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 4: place to. 792 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: End on and and and and I I I'm so 793 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: happy we had this conversation. Enjoy your time off, all right? 794 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: I will, and uh, I enjoy this best selling book. 795 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 2: What a dream? All right? What this was fun k, 796 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 2: thank you so much, thank you for doing it. Our buck. 797 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: Oh I'm in love with Beyonce's mother. What an awesome 798 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: chat and inspiring conversation. And that last thing that she 799 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: just said really. 800 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 2: Really like I. 801 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: Think for everyone everyone listening and any woman and all 802 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: women listening. 803 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 2: A really important thing to take with all of us. 804 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna meditate on that 805 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: one for a little bit. But how wonderful was that? 806 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: What a life, what a what an amazing, amazing strong woman. 807 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: All Right, guys, I'll see you next time, probably with Sebroski.