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Speaker 1: I Smell pop Culture with Easton Allen and I Heeart

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Speaker 1: Radio podcast. I Smell pop Culture, Yes I do. I

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, iHeart Media, iHeart podcasts. Thanks again for coming back.

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Speaker 1: We're doing a lot of fun stuff over here. We're

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Speaker 1: talking to some really cool people that created some of

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Speaker 1: the pop culture references that we loving Gilmore Girls. If

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Speaker 1: the sound guy here at the I Am all In

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Speaker 1: Podcast and we're talking to some really incredible people that created,

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Speaker 1: from Gilmore Girls. But this week, this week, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about an influential show on the WB in

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Speaker 1: improve their lives. The first few seasons follow their high

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Speaker 1: you know, controversial final seasons suns at Gilmore Girls. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Gilmore Girls. The show I'm talking

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Speaker 1: the stakes. You'll know what that means in a second.

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Speaker 1: So grab your garlic, grab your holy water, and just

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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a lot of fun. You know it

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Speaker 1: You enjoyed them. I hope you get to hear more

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Speaker 1: later on. In spoiler alert, you might my name's East

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Speaker 1: under the I Am all in Umbrella, the I Am

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Speaker 1: all in Network. Thank you so much Scott for letting

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Speaker 1: that little teas right before those commercials. There a little

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Speaker 1: But we're going into the world of vampires this week.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a show that is intrinsic to Gomer Girls.

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Speaker 1: I show that helped grow More Girls become what it was.

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Speaker 1: And you may or may not know that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That's right. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people say that Sunnydale, that's the town Buffy takes

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Speaker 1: She said that she loved that Buffy was appointment television.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, like very important. I'm so impressed though,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, having been a competitive figure skater,

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Speaker 2: High Honey, I'm home.

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Speaker 1: You can't forget the high. And in case you aren't

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Speaker 3: And that you know, there's like a weird just this

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00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: synergy that happens, and so my first reaction was, oh,

440
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 3: my god, I just lost my job, And the second

441
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: thing out of my mouth was, but who's going to

442
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: raise the baby?

443
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

444
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: Like that, those are the two thoughts of like, who's

445
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: raising Harrison?

446
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're killing me.

447
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Who's going to raise Harrison? What's going to happen to him?

448
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: So and that's like the.

449
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Weird response that happened, you know, And yeah, I was.

450
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: I was unprepared for it. I always say nobody was

451
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 3: more shocked than me. Yeah, And then my concern was

452
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: because after we filmed it and everything there's there was

453
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: like maybe like two months lag time before it aired,

454
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: and my concern was that the audience wasn't going to

455
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: care because Rita had kind of become the nemesis to

456
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: Dexter at that point structure in the script. And so

457
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: I started worrying that it wasn't going to have an impact.

458
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: And I remember they had this big, big finale premiere

459
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: party Showtime did with fans and they wanted me to

460
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: be there, and I agreed to go, but I only

461
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: agreed to go for the first half and I left.

462
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: My contract said I would leave as soon as they

463
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: started airing the show because I did not want to

464
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: be in that room with everybody when for that scene,

465
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: because I was I was so concerned that like, what

466
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: if people started cheering and like here I am still

467
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: like reeling from the fact that this happened.

468
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I went at.

469
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 3: The beginning and met the fans and was there and

470
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: did the social thing and everything, and then they went

471
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: back to my house and so I didn't know really

472
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: anybody's reaction until the next night. I went out to

473
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 3: with a bunch of friends and we walked into this

474
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: restaurant in West Hollywood and literally, like the restaurant like

475
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 3: went silent, and then people started coming up and hugging

476
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: me and crying. And that's when I was like, what's

477
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: going on?

478
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: And they were just like and then they were talking

479
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: about the show and oh my god and like and

480
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: then that has carried on now through the majority of

481
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: my life.

482
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Most people when they meet me, they need a hug.

483
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: They need a hug from me and me to tell

484
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: them it's okay.

485
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because you're on here, but

486
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm like looking back through like my

487
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: memories of Dexter, and that is truly the most shocking

488
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: part of the entire series. I think is is Reta's death,

489
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: and I think that, uh, the character of Skyler and

490
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad has a similar problem. I think when you

491
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: have like an anti hero as the protagonist, I think

492
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: that the especially their romantic partner, who is often the

493
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: voice of reason and like the pirst, you know, the

494
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: person keeping them good. Uh, is divisive among the fans.

495
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: But like, I think everyone loved Rita, like for real,

496
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted to see you, and like I

497
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: wanted to see Dexter renounces his killing ways and right

498
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: up into the sunset to read to just be a

499
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: family man. But then I know there to be no show.

500
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Part of me, you know, part of me feels it

501
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 3: was a little premature, yeah.

502
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: Just because.

503
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: Like it could have been a really great series ending.

504
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: I agree, right, but like in a way it was

505
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: premature because then after that, everybody else who died, they

506
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: never were able to recreate that impact because the audience

507
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: then just kind of was like at that point, the

508
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: audience is like, well, anybody.

509
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: Can die at this point.

510
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you're going to kill Rita, then then

511
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: anybody can die.

512
00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: So then when when dev dies, when La Guarda, yeah.

513
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: They don't have the same impact because you reap the

514
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: like you took the one. And I'm biased here obviously,

515
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: but to me, Rita was the vessel through which the

516
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: audience could fall in love with Dexter. Without her, he's

517
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: just a serial killer. But her whole purpose in the

518
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: show was to bring the audience in and for them

519
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: to love him the way like she viewed him. Right, Yes,

520
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: and that allowed the audience to fall in love. I mean,

521
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 3: you don't know how many women I have met.

522
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: In my lifetime who have said to me, oh my god,

523
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: I love I love Dexter like I would, you know,

524
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: I would love it. I'm like, Okay, that's weird.

525
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: But that's what she allowed the audience to do, was

526
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: to fall in love with him. And when you take

527
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: that away, then you can't. It's it's hard to build

528
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: the trust up in the audience again for any kind

529
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: of connection that they have to you know what I'm saying.

530
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I think that's that's such an

531
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: interesting way to look at it, and I completely agree

532
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: with you. Julie Ben's is with us. This is I

533
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: smell pop culture. We're gonna we have so much more

534
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: to get into. We gotta talk Buffy. We got it.

535
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: So much more. But we're gonna take a quick break

536
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. Julie Ben's here with us.

537
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: I smell pop culture. My name's Lisa Allen. Thanks for

538
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: joining us here. Thank you to Julie. This has been

539
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: so much fun. We gotta talk Buffy. We gotta go

540
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: to Sunnydale here.

541
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

542
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: So most of us know you as Darla the Vampire,

543
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's you're the first I rewatched the first episode

544
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: of the Other Day. You're the first character we see

545
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: in the series, like the first first person. It's like

546
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: it pans down from like the closet or something that

547
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: shows you. That's It's just it's incredible, such a popular character,

548
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and you know, I I'm just so interested, Like when

549
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: you take these people that are so integral to a

550
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: TV show like that, how did you I'd like to

551
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: know the process, how'd you get involved, how did you

552
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: get turned into a vampire? How did that happen?

553
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So I originally auditioned for the role of Buffy

554
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: like every other girl in Hollywood at that time. I

555
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: mean they saw thousands and thousands and thousands of us,

556
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: and Joss Whedon really liked my audition. I made some

557
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: really bold choices, and he brought me in to meet

558
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: with the head of casting for twentieth Century Fox and

559
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: I read for her and then they decided. And it's true,

560
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: I was about five years too old to play Buffy

561
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: because they wanted Buffy to be a freshman.

562
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 2: In high school.

563
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: And even though at the time I was in my

564
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: early twenties, it's been like twenty two or twenty three,

565
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: something like that, twenty two I think, and I.

566
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Could pass for like sixteen seventeen. I couldn't pass for

567
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: a freshman in high school. That was just not It

568
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: just wasn't physically possible.

569
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: But Jos was like, I really like how what you

570
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: came in and the choices you made, And he's like,

571
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: how would you like to play.

572
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: Vampire Girl Number one? And I said, okay, So how

573
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: I got passed.

574
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: Darla did not have a name, we didn't I have

575
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: the presentation, which was just like a fifteen minute version

576
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: or like a twenty minute version. So I did that

577
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: and then from that it got picked up and then

578
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: we went back and reshot it all because the wardrobe

579
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: was terrible.

580
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. It was my carri Darla's wardrobe

581
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: especially was terrible in the pilot. Yeah, they had the gut.

582
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: The person who was doing the costumes on that one,

583
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: he thought I should be wearing things that looked like

584
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: they smelled like moth balls and stuff, and it was

585
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: it was just it was bad. So then when it

586
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: got picked up the series, they brought in the new

587
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: costume designer and they came up with the whole Catholic

588
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: schoolgirl little uniform and so then that's how it. And

589
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: then I was supposed to die at the end of

590
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: the pilot. And on the day I was going to die,

591
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: Jos came running over and he's like, listen, we're not

592
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: going to kill you. We're going to keep you alive.

593
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: He'll be back next week. I was like, great, and

594
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: we're giving you a name.

595
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: Great.

596
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: And then again I was supposed to die in the

597
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: next episode, and again it was like, we're not going

598
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: to kill you. We're going to do this love triangle thing.

599
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: So it's kind of how Darlt grew. It was just,

600
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: you know, and I like to think, I mean, I don't.

601
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: I mean I like to think that maybe I had

602
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: something to do with it in part of like the

603
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: choices I was making, but young after.

604
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it had anything to do with that.

605
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think so, having not been there, I

606
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: mean that, but your performance is so incredible, So I'm

607
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: really curious. The vampire makeup. That is something. Oh man,

608
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I it's it's frightening to look at and I just

609
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: every time I see it, I'm like, that must have

610
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: been such a nightmare to get into every day orly,

611
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, whenever you had to.

612
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: Well, really, that's what I look like without makeup on

613
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: before I have coffee. Okay, let's just be here. No.

614
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: So I was the I called the test monkey. I

615
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: was the test vampire for the makeup. So I went

616
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: through multiple makeup tests while they tried to figure out

617
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: the look and the feel.

618
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Of the vampires.

619
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: So I spent a lot of time with Todd McIntosh

620
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: in his chair putting a prosthetic, gone, taking it off,

621
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: bring another one on, taking it off.

622
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: It was a long process before they got it right.

623
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: I do not like prosthetics.

624
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: I have a real visceral reaction to the smells that

625
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: go into all of that. I became allergic to a

626
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: lot of the adhesives that they would choose. Just my

627
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: my skin would just start developing an allergy to it.

628
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: So on Buffy they would glue that thing on so

629
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: it could stay on all day. By the time we

630
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: moved to Angel, they were they had the process down

631
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: where they would like tack it on with eyelash glue

632
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: and we would shoot very mint like just minimal in

633
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: it and then we'd go back into beauty makeup and like,

634
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: but in Buffy we were I mean I was in

635
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: that thing for ever it was.

636
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: I mean, thank god I had young skin. Do you

637
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I swear it to go?

638
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: Can you like eat with it all, like cause you

639
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich like halfway through the day or just

640
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: a smoothie or something. So you had to do.

641
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: Well because it came so it was like the nose

642
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: and then it was sculpted down.

643
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: I had to watch how like how much I ate.

644
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: I could eat like small bites of stuff.

645
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: The hardest part in my prosthetic, in particular, they carved

646
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: it so it was really minus. Darla was the most

647
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: violent looking one out of all the vampires, so it

648
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: was a real hard line from the nose up the

649
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: eyes and it cut off half my vision and then

650
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: you put the yellow contact lenses in which I am

651
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: not a contact lens wearer, so I had a gut there.

652
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: They have a guy there on set who it's his

653
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: job is to put.

654
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: The lenses in and out. Wow.

655
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: They had somebody else originally, and that person would tear

656
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: the prosthetic. It was this whole nightmare, and it was

657
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: so stressful as the actor underneath it because you're just like,

658
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep my eye open and then the

659
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: prosthetic would tear, and then they'd have to go in

660
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: and repair and you're.

661
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: Just like like overwhelming.

662
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: They brought in this other guy who was incredible, and

663
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: he's done lenses on like all the big stuff, and

664
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: he was able to get the lens like he was.

665
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: He had such a gentle touch and was able to

666
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: get the lens in without disturbing the prosthetic and also

667
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: keeping me calm. Somebody could keep my eye open so

668
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: the lens could go in.

669
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: So he was.

670
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: Always he they Once they brought him on, it became easier.

671
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 3: But once I was in it, I barely could see

672
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: because with yellow con hard contact lenses and then the prosthetic, and.

673
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: Then you have to act on top of that too,

674
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, like remember lines and blocking, Like my god, I.

675
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: Know, but I will say so in the beginning, when

676
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out how I was going

677
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: to play her, and I was going through the various

678
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: makeup tests with Todd McIntosh, you know, I'd never played

679
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: up until that point, i'd never played a vampire before.

680
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: I'd never played anybody scary before.

681
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: Up until that point, I had been doing sitcoms, and

682
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: so I was really nervous.

683
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I have no idea how I'm going

684
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: to do this character.

685
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: And then I had the prosthetic one and I went

686
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: to the bathroom and I looked in the mirror and I.

687
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: Smiled, and I was like, Oh, now that's creepy. And

688
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: so that's kind of like the genesis for Darla, Like

689
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: that's kind of the seed that sparked her. I was like, oh,

690
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: it's really creepy when I smile. And I think when

691
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: you do prosthetic work, you have to allow the prosthetic

692
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: to do its job, you know what I mean. So

693
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: you have to.

694
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: Trust that the prosthetic is going to tell a lot

695
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: of the story for you. So like, I didn't have

696
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: to be too scary.

697
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: I didn't.

698
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: I could just like, there's kind of this interesting especially

699
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: with Darla, like she would be very playful when she's

700
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: full vamp because that's kind of creepy.

701
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Versus if.

702
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: I was just going around like that because the makeup's

703
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: doing that, I don't have to do that. So I

704
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: did the opposite.

705
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating. I love I love hearing this kind

706
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: of stuff. Now, something that is not terrifying is, uh,

707
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: you have an incredible voice. You have an incredible singing voice.

708
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't.

709
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: I okay, I have to bring this up. The you

710
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: do a karaoke performance in Angel?

711
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

712
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: And a friend of mine, Sakari, is like a Buffy

713
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: super fan, and I mentioned to her that where I

714
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: was talking to you today, She's like, you please ask

715
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: her about the karaoke scene. Why wasn't she in the

716
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Buffy musical episode You're so was that that was really

717
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: you singing?

718
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: In that?

719
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: It was really me singing I'll wind.

720
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: Still wind, thank god, there's only three notes, but I'll

721
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: tell you so. So I always say working on Buffy

722
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: and Angel for me was like going to graduate school

723
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: as an actor, because every week there was something being

724
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: asked of me that I had never done before on camera, right,

725
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: so like I was buried alive, I was set on fire.

726
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: I rode a horse through fire. Like there was all

727
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: these things that were like.

728
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: So then they came and they said, listen, we want

729
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: to put Darlat in the karaoke bar.

730
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: And I was like what, I don't sing.

731
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: And then you know, Jos and David Greenwal were like, well,

732
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: we picked a really easy song. There's not a lot

733
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 3: of notes, and you know, we'll send it to you

734
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: and you, you know, let us know.

735
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: So I was like okay.

736
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: So I listened to it and I was like, okay,

737
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 3: they're right, it's not like, not a lot of notes,

738
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: very simple.

739
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: So I learned it and I had to deal with them.

740
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: So they said, we want you to record it because

741
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: you have to go in and record it first. So

742
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: I I was like okay.

743
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: I'll record it, and they go and then if we

744
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: decide that you really can't sing, we'll just hire somebody

745
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: else to do it, and then you can just lip

746
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: sync to it. Otherwise you'll lip sync to your own voice, right,

747
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: So I was like okay. So I went into the

748
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: studio and oh, I'm so nervous to record it. I

749
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: made them put like the microphone in the far corner,

750
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: like so that they couldn't see me through the glass,

751
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: and like I made them turn out the lights and anyway,

752
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: and I did it like a couple of times, and

753
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: they were in the post production people were like, that's great.

754
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: And so then I never heard anything, Like I never

755
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: heard from David or Joss if.

756
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: They were going to actually use my voice.

757
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: So when I showed up to film the scene, I

758
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: didn't know if it was going to be my voice

759
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 3: or a professional singer's voice.

760
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

761
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: And I was too afraid to.

762
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Ask because I was like, I don't want I was

763
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: just gonna I don't, you know, because part of me

764
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: was a also part of me was like, if it's

765
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: a professional's voice, that's gonna sound so much better, you know,

766
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: because maybe Darling is a much better singer than Julie is.

767
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's how I was looking at approaching it as.

768
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: And so then I showed up on set and they

769
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: started playing it over the loud speaker, right, they were

770
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: just testing it out and they were playing it and

771
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: I literally was like.

772
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's me. It's just so mortified. And

773
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: then I realized, because then you have to sing it

774
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: on stage and there.

775
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: Was all these extras. I forgot there were gonna be

776
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: extras in the scene. I forgot like it was gonna

777
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: be basically a packed house. So I made David Stan

778
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 3: and I literally like lip sync, sanged it, sung it

779
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: along just directly to David, like I couldn't look at

780
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: anybody else because I was just like, this is not

781
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm not a singer, even though I did musicals in college,

782
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: but I know how to talk sing. I know how

783
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: to like sing and talk at the same time. But

784
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: I was just it was, oh, my hands were sweating

785
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: so bad. I think I dropped a couple of times.

786
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: So no other singing besides that, for you, you never cut

787
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: an album or anything.

788
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: No, although recently I had a psychic reading and the

789
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: psychic told me that I need to be singing more,

790
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: and she said that there's a musical that's going to

791
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: come down the line.

792
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: And Okay, I'm like, okay, this is weird.

793
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have the answer to this.

794
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of people online wondering, like,

795
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: where is just the where is the track of Julie

796
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Ben singing ill Wind without like the characters talking like

797
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the one that was in the show, Like, where's the

798
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: raw track? How can we get that?

799
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

800
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: That would kill and we had so many streams.

801
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea. And I will say this, I'm

802
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: so happy I was.

803
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: Not in the Buffy Musical because everybody was so good,

804
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: Like seriously, they were all.

805
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. Most actors are good singers.

806
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: Not this person.

807
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Well, I can only disagree with you so much here,

808
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Julie Bean's so I mean we've covered like you've done

809
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 1: so much. You did so much as Darla in the show.

810
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Like I mean you were saying you've been lit on fire.

811
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: You were like rode horses. You've killed so many people.

812
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: What do you have a favorite I know this is

813
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: a big question, but like, do you have a favorite

814
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: moment from making Buffy? Is there something that like looms

815
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: large in your head as one of your favorite memories?

816
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Well, from Buffy or from Angel.

817
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: Because let's do both Buff. We'll do Buffy first, then

818
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Angel if you can separate the two.

819
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, So from Buffy, I think for me, what I

820
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: like to call it my badass moment on that show

821
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: was when I show up with guns to fight Buffy,

822
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: And first of all, I thought it was so brilliant

823
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: because I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I Like, I'm

824
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: why would I put any effort into like any physical effort.

825
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: I'm just going to shoot her like that's so Darla.

826
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: And then the stunt department they were like listen or yeah,

827
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: the stunt apartment and the director they were like, listen.

828
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: We want you to.

829
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: Walk up to where the pool table was, and then

830
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: we want you to jump and land on the pool table.

831
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: Do you think you can do that? And I was

832
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: like I don't know.

833
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: And so I watched like the stunt I do it

834
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: a couple times. And this is how I approach most

835
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: stunts is I watch other people do it and because

836
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: I know that if I try to do it rehearsal,

837
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it.

838
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: I won't do it. There's something about when the camera's

839
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: on and the adrenaline. So I literally watched the mechanics

840
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and then like they

841
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: yell like I never I've never tried to rehearsal, and

842
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: I was like, just trust me, when the camera's rolling,

843
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I'll be able to do it. They yell, action I

844
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: walk up say my lines and then I go from

845
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: and I jump right on the pool table and continue

846
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: the scene. And everybody was like yes, and I was

847
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: like yeah, because it's for me. It's the adrenaline, it's

848
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: the it's you know.

849
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: And because I'm, you know, an athlete, like as a

850
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: child athlete, I'm able to kind of watch and then

851
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: my body just knows how to do it. Like I

852
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: can't explain it, but yeah that I was like, I

853
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: better know this. I did crack my teeth on the

854
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: vampire teeth. I did crack it in that moment when

855
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: I landed.

856
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm excited.

857
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: I like, so everyone, when you go back and rewatch

858
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: that scene, there's teeth cracking to watch out for.

859
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I cracked crazy. I actually broke the most amount

860
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: of teeth on the show.

861
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: What a feather in your cat? That's how of a

862
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: stat Now, what about Angel? What was your what's your

863
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: favorite from Angel?

864
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: So an Angel?

865
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: I think for me, you know, David and I always

866
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: have this really great chemistry that like just this work

867
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 3: chemistry together.

868
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: And my my.

869
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: Favorite favorite scene of the whole thing was We're It's

870
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: an episode, dear Boy. And during season two and We're

871
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: shooting underground in this big giant water tank and it's

872
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 3: to Tim and I and it's this beautiful long scene

873
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: about our relationship and just you know, and at the

874
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: end of it, I take out across and I hold

875
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: it onto his chest and I say, God doesn't want you,

876
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: but I still do, and then I walk away. And

877
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: that day was just it was just magic for us.

878
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: Like it was that scene where we didn't have to

879
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: crank the wheel and make it work, like it just

880
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: flowed from us. And David Greenwalt was directing that episode,

881
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: and we were all just in this really good flow

882
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: with each other and just and I remember there's a

883
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: lot of walking and movement and and it just was

884
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: like we didn't want to leave the water tank, like

885
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: we didn't want to go above ground because we were

886
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: afraid we were going.

887
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: To break the spell that we were under. Underground.

888
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: It's a magic, but it was.

889
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: It's I had lots of moments with David like that

890
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: where we just kind of just stayed in our little

891
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: world because we didn't want to break the spell that

892
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: we were under, Like we just were like, there's something

893
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: really cool going on here, and we like we just

894
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: we're gonna stay in it so magical.

895
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Buffy and Angel such iconic shows that you

896
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: you brought to life. Julie Ben's hanging out with us

897
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: here on Ice Smoll Pop Culture where we're just a

898
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: little bit more to talk to you about. If you

899
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: don't mind, we have a and let's just take a

900
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: quick commercial break here. Everybody stick around. Julie Ben's here

901
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: with us on Ice Smoll Pop Culture. So one of

902
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: so our main hosts here is as a man by

903
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: the name of Scott Patterson. He played Luke Luke on

904
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. You guys shared, uh, you were in the

905
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: same movie together, Saw five.

906
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a badass. Talk about stunts he did. I

907
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: was there that day.

908
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: I was there. I was I think I was going

909
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: through a makeup test.

910
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: It was like my I had just arrived and there

911
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: I was in like the hair and makeup room and

912
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: he did that stunt with his head in the box

913
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 3: with the.

914
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: Water yes, And I went out and watched it. I mean,

915
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: I was like, I could never like that. Terrified. I

916
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: was terrified watching it live. Terrified.

917
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: They had like the MSS there just in case, like

918
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: they and I was I was so impressed.

919
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: Like that's where I drew I would draw the line.

920
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that insight because I asked him about that

921
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: part and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, operate on

922
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: my tricky. I just put it and he's like, so

923
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: cool about it, you know, but I want to.

924
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: It was so cool about it. On sets. I was

925
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: like sweating buckets watching it. Like I was like terrified

926
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: and like so nervous watching him do it, and he

927
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: just was like, all right, let's get done.

928
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: They did it, and I was like, Okay, that's the

929
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: thing I'm interested in is I love the Saw movies.

930
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I think they're national treasures. But like being in being

931
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: in a movie like that and being surrounded by this

932
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: like these horrific traps and like crazy gory special effects,

933
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: Like what is that like as an actor? I mean,

934
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: being surrounded by that much blood?

935
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's really scary.

936
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: So I've mentioned this before in an interview, and then

937
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: some people on like Twitter were like, why I actually

938
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: do a moment, like they were poo pooing me about this.

939
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: But so.

940
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: I I was friends with one of the producers from

941
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: the original Saw, and I was actually.

942
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: Doing his movie with him at the time.

943
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: I was doing Georgia of the Jungle too, and he

944
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: was telling me about his next project, which.

945
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: Was going to be Saw. And he was like, Oh, it's.

946
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: This really dark horror film. And I was like, put

947
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: me in it, and he's like, I don't know if

948
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 3: you want to be in it. It's like, I don't know.

949
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: He goes, I don't know how it's gonna do. It's

950
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: really dark. And it turned out it was Saw, and

951
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: it obviously did fantastic and then like two years later

952
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: he passed away from a heart attack. So when I

953
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 3: got the offer for Saw five, I was like, oh,

954
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: that's Greg.

955
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: That's Creig, you know from above. But at that point

956
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: I had seen the original Saw and it terrified me.

957
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: Still does to this day.

958
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: So I was like, Oh, this will be interesting. Let's

959
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: see if I can be in a movie that really

960
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: scares me.

961
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: And let's just see. And I had nightmares every night. Wow.

962
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: I the traps were super real to me, like they

963
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: were very real to me.

964
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: I had a hard time discerning that it was make BULLYE.

965
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: I remember my first day on set.

966
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 3: I was in the first trap with the dog collars

967
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: and we were racing for the key and that and

968
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: they had the saws behind our head and we were

969
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: on pulleys and it was completely it was fully orchestrated,

970
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: like who was the bard whin and like because we

971
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: were all supposed to be connected to each other.

972
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: It's fully orchestrated.

973
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: And we went to go film our first take and

974
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: I started panicking a little bit, and I pulled the

975
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 3: director aside and I said, listen, what's going to happen

976
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: if I don't get the key first?

977
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: And he literally just looked at me and he's like cut,

978
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: Like we'll just cut. You read the script, you make

979
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: it ten right, Like I know.

980
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 3: I'm like it just like I know, Like it was real.

981
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, so through at that point had all been

982
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: together through four previous Saws, so they were all like, oh.

983
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: The newbie, the nebes, welcome to Welcome to Saw. We

984
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: all went through that in the first one.

985
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of like if I don't

986
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: get the keepers, will you die? Sorry? This are real?

987
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: Because I mean it was a real It was real.

988
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: It was a real saw. That was like it was

989
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: a real headshopper thing.

990
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.

991
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: So I was.

992
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: Terrified, Like I was so terrified. And then my dog

993
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: I had a little dog at the time, Bamboo. He

994
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: has since passed away because he's good long life, but

995
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: but he was a puppy at the time, and they

996
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: would let me bring I bring him on to set

997
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: and the crew would take photos of him in the traps.

998
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: It was really funny because he'd be there with like

999
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: the decapitated head, just a little puppy and then this

1000
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: the fake head and like, yeah, yeah, it was very sweet.

1001
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 3: They would do anything they could to make me laugh

1002
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: because I was like every trap, I was like, Okay,

1003
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 3: what if I don't survive this one?

1004
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: And then I threw up.

1005
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: On set on the last in the last trap because

1006
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: of putting my hands so that thing looked it looked

1007
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: so real. They made they they do magic on that

1008
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: because they make I mean, I've been in stuff where

1009
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: there's been blood and it looks so fake.

1010
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: It looks so real. And that when I had to

1011
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: put my hand in the thing and the saw was got,

1012
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: it just grossed me out. Drew up during rehearsal. Oh

1013
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: my god, I sound like a big baby.

1014
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: I am a bit of a when it comes to

1015
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: scary things. I get really scared.

1016
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: You've been some of the scaries stuff of all time.

1017
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: That's so refreshing to hear though that like that you

1018
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: used to you get scared too.

1019
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: I get really scared.

1020
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: Like and by the way, what is it about watching

1021
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: scary movies, because like we all love, it's like I

1022
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: start to sweat. I get really nervous. All of a sudden,

1023
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: I hear a noise outside. I'm oh, my god, like.

1024
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: I saw myself through it.

1025
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: It's so That's something I love about movies is like

1026
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: it can make. It gives you that like physical reaction,

1027
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: like like you said, you get sweaty, like my teeth

1028
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: all hurt. Like watching those Saw movies especially, it's so interesting.

1029
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being on the set.

1030
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: All five is the only movie I've ever been in

1031
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: and I've never watched all the way through.

1032
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: Really that puppet, I can't. I can't.

1033
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: I go to conventions and people bring that puppet up

1034
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: to me and I literally have a visceral like I

1035
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: start to sweat, like it's.

1036
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: Not it's not fun.

1037
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: I did a recording at the UH the director of

1038
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: Saw Too. I went to his house and we recorded

1039
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: an episode and he had the puppet like the puppet

1040
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: from the movie and I had, I reacted the same way.

1041
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, there he is. He's scary.

1042
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: No. I mean, listen, there's a reason why those movies

1043
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: are have transcended like audience numbers and like are going

1044
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: to always live in the zeitgeist of at the top

1045
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: of horror because what they've done so brilliantly is it

1046
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: grabs you on a deep psychological level. You know, it's

1047
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: not just a slash or thing. It's it's it it

1048
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: gets inside.

1049
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 3: Your mind and it really bucks you up. Yeah, that's

1050
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: what they've done so brilliantly. That's why the movies are

1051
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: so huge. I mean it's not, you know, not to

1052
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 3: put Jason down, but it's not some guy in a

1053
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: mask running around with a knife exactly.

1054
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, when you're like walking down the street, like if

1055
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: you got in public most and someone comes up to

1056
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: you that recognizes you, it is Darla number one?

1057
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: Is that?

1058
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: Or Rita Oh wow? Or brit from Son for that matter, I.

1059
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: Would say right now, like in the past year, because

1060
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: Dexter has been airing on Netflix, Oh yeah, there's been

1061
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: a huge I mean I even't see like my nephews,

1062
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: who are you know, late teens, early twenties, they're all

1063
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: discovering it. So there's this new age bracket that's discovering

1064
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: Dex that wasn't alive when they were kids when we

1065
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: first made it, and they're now discovering it because of

1066
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: it being on Netflix. And so right now it's a

1067
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: lot of people recognizing me as Darla or as Rita sorry,

1068
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: which I'm surprised because it's been almost twenty years since

1069
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: we Shock the pilot. Wow, I think it's been like

1070
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: eighteen years because I was like thirty two or thirty three, thirty.

1071
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: Four around there.

1072
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: I'm fifty two now, so I'm just shocked when anybody

1073
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: I'm like that just spot me and usually this is

1074
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: my voice.

1075
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: You have an interesting voice.

1076
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, So right now it's a lot of Riada,

1077
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: a lot of readA interesting yeah. But also I mean

1078
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: Buffy and Angel has a whole young audience that keeps

1079
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 3: discovering it as well.

1080
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, like I said, this is a

1081
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls podcast, and the creator of Gilmore Girls said

1082
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: that she would watch Buffy as she wrote Gilmore Girls.

1083
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I was like something she would do, and that's why

1084
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the dialogue is very similar

1085
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: I think in I think she was. She was very

1086
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: inspired by Jos and the way he wrote dialogue. But yeah,

1087
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: and you're I mean in season five, episode ten of

1088
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, they mentioned Spike and Drusilla, so yeah, and

1089
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of five by five and things like

1090
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: that throughout the show. So you know, you have a

1091
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: lot of fans in the world of Gilmore Girls, and

1092
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: you have a huge fan in me. Thank you so

1093
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: much for doing this, Julie. You just been the absolute best.

1094
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: If people want to keep up with you and find

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Speaker 1: out what you're up to, how can they keep in touch.

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Speaker 2: I am really active on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I am at Julie Ben's MFT, which stands for my

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Speaker 3: Favorite Things not Marriage Family Therapist.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that earlier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I was trying to come up

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Speaker 3: with so okay, So listen, there's a lot of other

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Speaker 3: Julie Benz's in the world. Okay, And there is a

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Speaker 3: real Julie Benz who has the who got onto Instagram

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Speaker 3: before me and has the at Julie Ben's handle. And

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Speaker 3: I know people are like, why don't you offer her

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Speaker 3: some money?

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Speaker 2: Take it? I can't do that because it's your name. Now,

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Speaker 2: if it would, like, say you had my name, I

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Speaker 2: would be like, come on, give me my name. This

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Speaker 2: is my name. But this is a real person who

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Speaker 2: has the name Julie Ben's. It's not her fault.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be like I'm more important. So

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Speaker 3: I had to come up with something creative. So I

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Speaker 3: came up with Julie Ben's MFT because I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: my favorite things and I'll post about like That's kind

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Speaker 3: of what Instagram was about.

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Speaker 2: It was like, You're gonna like your favorite.

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Speaker 3: Things, like things people could see, like all your favorite things.

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Speaker 3: You like to do, favorite things, just like you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 3: Now everybody thinks I'm a marriage family therapist. I get

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Speaker 3: people asking me relationship questions all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can, you can if you want to hit me

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Speaker 3: up for relationship advice.

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Speaker 2: I am on my second marriage, so I have some experience.

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Speaker 2: I will give advice. I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 2: to be good, but.

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Speaker 1: I saw a recipe for some gluten free crackers on

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Speaker 1: there that I'm excited to try. Aunt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do a lot of I'm really leaning

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Speaker 3: into the wellness space for especially for women over the

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Speaker 3: age of forty going through perimenopause and menopause. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, a lot of people are talking about

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Speaker 3: it now, which is great, and the conversations need to

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Speaker 3: be had to keep talking about it because every woman

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Speaker 3: will go through it and every woman's journey is going

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Speaker 3: to be something different, and it's need to create more

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Speaker 3: of a sisterhood where we discuss these things publicly and

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Speaker 3: it's not it's not embarrassing, and it's not like a

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Speaker 3: secret like I remember when my mother went through menopause,

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Speaker 3: like she never talked.

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Speaker 2: About it was she was going through it.

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Speaker 3: So it's nice to be able to talk, to be

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Speaker 3: able to be public about it and talk and also

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Speaker 3: inspire people. My whole point when I started filming, like

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Speaker 3: my workouts and stuff, was I'm you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: have good genetics, Like if I didn't work out, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't look like this, So I work hard at it,

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Speaker 3: and I work hard at it not to be maybe

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Speaker 3: in my twenties and thirties it was to be skinny.

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Speaker 3: My goal now is to be healthy so I live

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Speaker 3: a long life. So I live a healthy long life,

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Speaker 3: not being well. I don't want to be in my

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Speaker 3: seventies and not being able to walk, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: of course I want to. I want to be dancing

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Speaker 3: at eighty five, ninety, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 3: inspiring others too, because you have to put the work

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Speaker 3: in to do that. You can't just think that's just

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Speaker 3: going to you're going to be that old person. You

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Speaker 3: have to actually put the work into it in your

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Speaker 3: forties and your fifties so that when you hit your eighties.

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Speaker 3: So that's you know, I've been helping, hopefully motivating people,

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Speaker 3: you know, to delive a healthy.

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Speaker 1: Lifestyle, continuing to make the world a better place. The

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Speaker 1: great Julie Benz once again, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: doing this. You're just the absolute greatest and I hope

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Speaker 1: you have a great holiday season. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks bye, Hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on

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Speaker 2: Instagram at I Am All In podcast and email us

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Speaker 2: at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.