1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network. 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network, joined as 3 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: always by my bff, my companion, professional Better New Jersey's finest, 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: Mr Simon Hunter. What's going on, brother, Chad? Chad, Chad? 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: Look at us? Just a couple of menches cutting it up, 6 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: a couple of multimillionaires having a laugh together. What a 7 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: life we live, buddy? What a life we live? Simon 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: is referring to the fact that yesterday, the Action Network, 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: which we launched in January of two thousand eighteen to 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: be the premier sports betting media and product company in 11 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: the world, serving sports bettors wherever they are. However, we 12 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: can through our award winning app, through our award winning podcasts, 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: through our award winning content from people like Chris Raban 14 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: and Sehawan Corner, but not people like Matthew Friedman. Yesterday 15 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: we were sold to a company called Better Collective, which 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: is a publicly traded European company that focuses on the 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: betting and affiliate space in Europe. They're looking to continue 18 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: to grow in the US. They bought The Action Network 19 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: for two hundred and forty million dollars. It's been exciting 20 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: news at Action. We uh told the team yesterday at 21 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: three o'clock. The news broke shortly thereafter in the Wall 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Street Journal. Um not sharing anything that that people can't 23 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: look up themselves, obviously super exciting for everybody at Action. 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: Super exciting too. You know, so many of the people 25 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: at Action have been here for an extended period of 26 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: time and been uh so integrillingto dedicating themselves to building 27 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: this three years later, to sell for for that kind 28 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: of money is just astonishing and surreal and exciting and 29 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, really good news. You know, we're overwhelmed by 30 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: it a little bit. But the good news is that 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: we get to keep operating our content the way we've 32 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: been doing it. Podcast doesn't change, the content we're putting out, 33 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: doesn't change how we will do our jobs day to day. 34 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: Creating doesn't change. So for listeners, it's you know, the 35 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: same as always, and that's you know, fundamentally awesome. I 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: think just instead of instead of you been a couple 37 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: of thousands, because back a couple hundred thousand now, so 38 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: it's just a little different, but the content, of course 39 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: will be the same. Mean, Chad still want to win money. 40 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: We still got in that free men here. He wants 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: to win his props. Nothing's changed and we all just 42 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: want to win money. So just a crazy day, man, 43 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: I can't get overright. I just would love to know, 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: how do you even sleep? Like when I on Thursday 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: night after that as I couldn't sleep. I was just 46 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: so amped up. I didn't go to bed to like 47 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: five six in the morning. Like what do you do 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: like last night? Do you just drink until you can 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: pass out? Like I don't even get how you could 50 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: sleep after a day like that. We keep mentioning Matthew Freeman. 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: He is on the podcast as well. He's patiently waiting 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: to be invited into the conversation. Of course, he is 53 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: our draft expert who made nearly three draft bets and 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: put him in the app and had a successful, amazingly 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: successful run during the draft. Freeman, You're welcome to interject 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: at any time. Uma, as we know, the less I talk, 57 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the better things tend to go. In fact, I'm amazed 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: at my presence and the company didn't kill the deal. 59 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I was a little bit worried about that. You know 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: that maybe we would never be able to sell the 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: company because Freedman was employed here, So I'm glad to 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: know that I was not the impediment. It was close, though, 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: believe me, it was very It was very close. They 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: reviewed every contract there and they were like, it feels like, 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: compared to the output, compared to the quality, this guy 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: not really pulling his weight. I'm like, listen, I don't 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: tell you likely he came with the with one of 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: the companies we bought when we formed when we formed Action. 69 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: For two years, I didn't even really know what he 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: was doing or that he was working here. It was 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: pretty inconsequential. And then all of a sudden, everybody kept saying, freemuch, 72 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: trying this, free much, trying this. I'm like, who what 73 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: is he doing? And then now we're here, and you know, 74 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: you're stuck with us for a little while longer. Last 75 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: night I worked until like six, returning phone calls, catching 76 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: up with people I tried to. You know, I slacked 77 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: a lot of folks on the team. I had phone 78 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: calls with a lot of folks on the team. We 79 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: had questions. I was returning, like you know, buddies texting 80 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: me like, dude, what the funk just happened? This is insane. 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: Then I went downstairs. My wife had picked up dinner, 82 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: and she goes, she goes, she goes, she went to 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: one of my favorite restaurants in West Herford. Where do 84 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: we live? She goes, I just want you to know 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: I used gift cards for dinner, uh, which I laughed. 86 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: We had a couple of drinks. I continued to return 87 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: texts and calls, and then I just I was spent, 88 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: man like got in bed ready to just watch like 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: one show and the only show I wanted to watch. 90 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: It turns out we were caught up. It was the 91 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: it was mayor of Eastown, and so I just sat 92 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: in better, returning emails and texts on that it wasn't 93 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: even that exciting of a night, and I had one 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: too many drinks and it made me pass out. Yeah, 95 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: it sounds a great night chat. I have a question. 96 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: Do you find that you are the type of person 97 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: who doesn't know how to celebrate well, like like like once, 98 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: like once there's something big that happens, you don't feel 99 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: the euphoria that you think you would feel. It's just 100 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: sort of like, all right, Uh, that happened, and now 101 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: I move on. Well, that's a great question. And as 102 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: you know, I'm incredibly accomplished, and you know, I've written 103 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: seven books, four of them were best sellers. I Uh, 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: I saw the Cubs win the World Series. I as 105 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: a human being. I ran an award winning magazine that 106 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: we essentially had to start over from scratch because when 107 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: we moved it from New York to Connecticut of the 108 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: staff left, and you know, we hired great people and 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: they turned it into something outstanding. And then I got 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: to run ESPN Digital, which was a blast, but not 111 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: a big celebrator. This one felt definitely worth celebrating, Like 112 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: even you know, you can always look at it. I 113 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: always look at it like how do my kids respond? 114 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Or how did my wife respond? Because there's nobody less 115 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: impressed with me or my life than them. And at 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: one point a buddy was texting me and he was 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: texting me and it was me, my wife and his 118 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: wife on the chain and they were excited, and you know, 119 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: my closest friend in the world, and they were they 120 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: were enthusiastic about seeing the news. And uh, my wife said, 121 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm reading a story about when Chad left ESPN for 122 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: Action because the news broke in the Wall Street Journal. 123 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: When I left espn uh and we launched Action. It 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: was also an exclusive in the Wall Street Journal and 125 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: she was reading the story and she's like she she 126 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: she was just genuinely proud and so uh that was 127 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: exciting that uh. And also, look, it's a big fucking 128 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: deal the two to sell a company for her significant 129 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: amount of money. And obviously I'm like the least important 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: person in the process of selling the company. It was 131 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: our CEO and Patrick Keene and Melissa Bests who runs 132 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: our finance team, and Aery Broad who runs who's our CEO. 133 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: They did all the lifting on it um. But to 134 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: be a part of it is cool and so yeah, 135 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: totally totally celebrated that. My favorite part of this whole 136 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: thing was Chad said he wasn't gonna rank for ten 137 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: minutes before he came on, and I think we just 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: hit the fifteen minute mark. So props to you, Chad. 139 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: You're the best man ever. Listen, I'm like a windup toy. 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: You asked me one question and then you can go 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: take a nap. I love it. I love it. That's it. 142 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: That's it. But obviously super exciting and uh, nothing else 143 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: is going to change as far as you know as 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: far as like people who listen to this or or 145 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: engage with the Action Network, this means this will mean 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: zero to them. Yeah, eventually, I'm just have an AI 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: version of Chad. Once he does just leave me and 148 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: go to some like a beach in Hawaii or whatever, 149 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: I'll just be talking with some AI vers chat which 150 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: who knows, it might be the same show. Maybe this 151 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: guy the A. I won't pick her cousins instead of 152 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: taking just a Herbert first show Flaca. Who knows. Let 153 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: me say this my unit size, as far as my bets, 154 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to change. I'm still the same person 155 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: I've always been and I will still make the same 156 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: bad decisions that I've always made. Count on it. Like 157 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: inviting Matthew Freedman on this podcast. Absolutely, I mean I 158 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: hope to be a guest on many more horrible episodes 159 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: for years to come. Well, I think we're gonna I 160 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: am looking forward to making that happen. Uh And the 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: reason we do on the podcast we did we gotta 162 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of draft recap. Look, last week was 163 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: fucking insane and so um. Freedman tweeted out, how many 164 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: picks did you make in the draft? Two two bets 165 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: on the draft, which is like awesome, just just insane. 166 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: You went up, you went big, then you were up 167 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: like I forgot much it was wasn't above twenty units 168 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: like you killed it. I think it was. That's a 169 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great weekend. There was. There's 170 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: a guy who tailed a lot of my bets, not 171 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: all of them. He was much more judicious and he 172 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: won ninety units. I mean, I feel like there were 173 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: times when I got in my own way, and you 174 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: know sometimes when I was young, yeah, buying you know, 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: buying high and selling low, you know, on certain players. 176 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: But you know, for me, I entered the process wanting 177 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: to have a lot of volume in it, uh, and 178 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: so firing whenever I thought I had an edge, That's 179 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: what I did. It could have been a massively great week. Uh. 180 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: If a couple of things had happened for me, one 181 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: of which Trayvon Morrig, if he had been the number 182 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: one safety selected fantastic week that didn't happen, Or if 183 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: mac Jones had gone number three, that would have helped. 184 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: But as it was, it really didn't hurt that much 185 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: because I still had hedged appropriately with Trey Lance you know, 186 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 1: so it all, it all worked out, and it was 187 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: a really fun process. So the mac Jones pick was fascinating. Simon. 188 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: Let's reset the scene for people. Thursday morning, we are 189 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: recording the Thunderdome, Matt Mitchell's brilliant brainchild. And before we 190 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: start recording you, it's the day of the draft. You 191 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: hold up one of your phones and you say, this 192 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: bad phone. If it goes off, I'm gonna have to 193 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: bounce off. Uh, explain every everything about what you were 194 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: doing on Thursday, what you were hearing, and how Thursday 195 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: worked out for you. Uh, because mac Jones did not 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: go number three. It's tough because I try to try 197 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: to be as humble as I can on this show 198 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: because people don't want to hear all this bullshit. They 199 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: don't want to hear me like bragging about sources and 200 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: show like that. But yeah, man, I wake up Thursday morning, 201 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: three am and it's just never ending, just BS, but 202 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: just people hitting you up, telling you what they're hearing. 203 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: And like I told you, my job is to try 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: to figure out what's legit and what's just total smoke 205 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: screen BS. I would say, just even three weeks before 206 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: when the whole thing came out about Mac. Again. I 207 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: don't think I'm better than these people are grading quarterbacks, 208 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: but when I saw that, it just didn't make any 209 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: sense to anyone where. It's like even the lamest person 210 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: who is terrible at grading quarterbacks has Mac is a 211 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: fifth quarterback. He was just unanimous. He was the fifth guy. 212 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: I I pretty much have told you even weeks prior, 213 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: I've been betting the Mac over three and a half. 214 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: I've just been kept. I kept betting it because I 215 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: kept trusting that I knew something was off here and 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that it was kind of all bullshit. Luckily, I have 217 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: a source who I do really trust the bells and 218 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: will start going off that maybe tray Lance was a 219 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: guy going So by Wednesday this is called fire. Tons 220 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: of people have heard about this. I heard about this 221 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: started so ball, and by Thursday morning, I've been getting 222 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of hearing stuff about it. I gave that a 223 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: plus three hundred. I gave you tray Lance or whatever 224 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: was a plus two fifty plus three hundred. It was 225 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: a stressful day, especially you made me do that article 226 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: and that video, and I was just like I went 227 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: from you know, a hundred people hitting me up to 228 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: thousands of people. I mean, my d m s. Dude, 229 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: that's what's like insane. It's just the negativity. People just 230 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: want us to fail so bad. Where it's like I'm 231 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: giving good information, I trusted information. I wouldn't put it 232 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: out there unless I believed in it, because, like I 233 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: told you all the time, I don't want to look 234 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: like an idiot. That's the worst thing ever, Like, it's 235 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: the worst this put your name out there on something 236 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: like that. It looks like a jackass. So do when 237 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: that The longest one minute of my life was him 238 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: walking out there announced that pick. Like when you said 239 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: Trai Lance. In my head I heard mac Jones. Like, 240 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: I literally fell on my knees in the room I 241 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: was with all these people because I heard in my 242 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: own head it was mac Jones. And Someone's like, dude, dude, 243 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: it was Tray. I was like, oh my god, oh 244 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: my god. So yeah, man, it's the high highs. At 245 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: the same time, the stress, Dude, that whole day was 246 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: just stressed. You literally in your head heard him say 247 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: mac Jones when they announced the pick I got. I 248 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: literally fell on my knees. It was like someone just 249 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: sucked all the air at it like shrieked, like the 250 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: whole party just like went silent. I just shrieked the time. 251 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I just fell on my knees. I 252 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: saw his mouth saying mac Jones. So I think it's 253 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: just the stressful. But I hadn't. I've been up since 254 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: three am, and I was drinking all day just because 255 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, I done my job and I just all 256 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: that left is the results. So it was just one 257 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: of those where I was in a room full of 258 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: people would also bet on Trey Lance to be the 259 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: third pick with me, and it was just like, oh 260 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: my god, I'm surrounded by a pack of wolves right 261 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: now once I heard that announce But thank god, man, 262 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: thank God for Trey Lance. When you're drinking like that 263 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: during the day, what are you drinking? I mean, if 264 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: we're being totally honest, I stayed a bunch of edibles. 265 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: I probably had a couple of beers. I just try 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: to help the anxiety, dude, because the stress level it's 267 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: the worst. Like I don't eat, I don't go to back, 268 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: like I'm just zong like out of my mind because 269 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: it's just the amount of money I know I personally have, 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: but the amount of people that have trusted me and 271 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: put their own money. It's just like the kind of 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: stress where it's like I just want to come through 273 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: for these people. Like I put in the work. I 274 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: am praying to God that my work is correct, because 275 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: no one wants to lose, especially when when it's this 276 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: amount of money. So if I was drinking, my my 277 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: go to for like a relaxing thing like that is. 278 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: I know people are gonna hate on it, but it 279 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: gets me drunk is Long Island iced tea. I love 280 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: Long Island iced teas. How are you fucking kidding me? 281 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: I know, dude, it's the childest thing ever, But I've 282 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: always just that's my go to. I love on a Palmers, 283 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: so it's a go to for me. I just sip 284 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: on it. I'm making on a farmer, I throw a 285 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: bucket and pretty much it's not really a Long island 286 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: icce tea, but it gets me drunk. I can't I 287 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: can't really talk much about Simon's alcoholic preferences. I will 288 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: say that Draft Day for me is the most stressful 289 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: day of the year, because especially this year. I'm not 290 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: gonna say I have like the entire bankroll on this 291 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: but like a significant portion of the bank roll was 292 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: invested in this one event. And granted it's like one 293 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: event comprised of all of these smaller correlated events, but 294 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, like I was significantly invested in this. Plus 295 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: we have a lot of content that's coming out that day, 296 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: Plus I have mocked drafts that are due that day, 297 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: and you know, like I want to do these mock drafts. Well, uh, 298 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and I finished number nineteen and the Fantasy Pros contest, 299 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: Shawn Corner, by the way, I think finished number six. 300 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Just randomly submitted a mock draft and finished, you know 301 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: with a very good Maybe he was actually number five, 302 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: but he was up there, so you know, we did well. 303 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: But this was a stressful day. I love the draft 304 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: more than anything else in the world, but I like 305 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm right there with Simon, Like my stomach was just 306 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: a not the day of the draft. How much time 307 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: do you think you ended up putting into researching the draft. 308 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: It's months. It's from the minute the super Bowl ends, 309 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and really even before that, but the minute the super 310 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: Bowl ends to uh even today, you know, like the 311 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: draft is over. But all of yesterday I was finishing 312 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: up the top fifty rookie Dynasty rankings. Uh, And so 313 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: it's months of focus on these players, you know, going 314 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: through the process, thinking about the draft and thinking once 315 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: they've been drafted, about what their future looks like from there. 316 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: It's it's months. Do you love it because it's a 317 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: betting opportunity that you think can be tapped and it's 318 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: markets that have have sort of opportunities there, or did 319 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: you fall in love with the idea of analyzing the draft? 320 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: I joked, I do remember when you sent a memo 321 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: to me and Scott Miller, who is now one of 322 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: our product geniuses but at the time was running our 323 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: content day to day. I remember you sending the memo 324 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and saying, I want to cover the draft, and I 325 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: very distinctly remember it. I joked that I didn't read 326 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: it and didn't even know you worked for us, both 327 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: of which might have been true, but I did respond 328 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: that I felt like, okay, sounds good, Like I don't 329 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: have the guy doing anything better, so he might as 330 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: well do this. But did you do it because you 331 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: wanted to be male Keiper and you love football, or 332 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: because there's betting market to win it? Well, I feel 333 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: like at that time and I think that was the 334 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield draft. Uh. And I should say, like the 335 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: line movement that we saw with Mac Jones and Trey 336 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Lance was very reminiscent of the line movement we saw 337 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: three years ago with Baker Mayfield. When I saw that 338 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: line movement, that's when I knew that it was Lance. 339 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: But it was that draft, and for the first time 340 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: in multiple books at least that I had seen, you 341 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: could bet on the draft. And so I think some 342 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: of the in with you of being able to say, like, hey, 343 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: there's actual something actionable with this content that I can create, 344 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: I think that made it a little more palatable to you. 345 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: But I've been obsessed with the draft forever. And it's 346 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: not really even like wanting to be mel keeper because 347 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: like that's not really my angle on it. It's just 348 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: it's more from the fantasy perspective. I'm obsessed with these 349 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: guys as prospects, uh, you know, obsessed with projecting them 350 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: to the NFL and thinking about from the fantasy perspective 351 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: what that is going to look like. You know, if 352 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: a guy enters the league, is he going to be 353 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer? Like, is he going to have 354 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: ten thousand yards seasons, like what is it gonna mean 355 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: in terms of the overall production, and that correlates to 356 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: thinking about like what's he going to be as a professional. 357 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: But it's slightly different. You know, mel Keeper is great 358 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: at his job. He looks at hundreds thousands of prospects. 359 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: He does it with film. I hardly ever look at film, like, 360 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm not a film expert. For me, it's it's in 361 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: the numbers, and it's really in the data of looking 362 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: specifically at mock drafts, uh and coming through those and 363 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: seeing who's an expert there and having that provide an edge. 364 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: But it's uh, I mean, it's a fun process. But 365 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: never did I think I'm going to be multiper. It 366 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: was just I love the draft, and uh, I have 367 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: this time from February to you know, May, when I'm 368 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: not really doing anything, I could be doing this. Simon, 369 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: did you get into the draft because you saw the 370 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: betting opportunity? It was a good way to get ahead 371 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: on what you might need to do for football? Where like, 372 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: what are you doing to understand it? Yeah, I would 373 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: definitely say that people need to understand how much the 374 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: draft has changed. Like he was just saying like twenty 375 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: that sounds about right when it started being like more 376 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: legalized across America, so there was more books. But pretty 377 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: much Vegas really wasn't into the draft. Like they would 378 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: give props, but it wasn't great value a lot of 379 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: the time. And like because Vegas knew they were the 380 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: only show in town, like there was nowhere else to go, 381 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: so they really knew they didn't have to really expose 382 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: themselves because they get it, like the advantage we have 383 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: compared to the regular season, where yeah, we have some 384 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: advantage from weeks because they they hang a bad number 385 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: in different that, but the draft, I would say for years, 386 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: the cap was about a grant man, like you would 387 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: try to get down more than the grand That just 388 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: was not happening. And it's advanced now where you can 389 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: get down a lot of money on the draft and 390 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: folks are always trying to upset all they actual they 391 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: have on the draft. So I love it. Um. I've 392 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: taken a step back a little bit this year where 393 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: I still do a lot of film study doing like that, 394 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: but I really focused me only at quarterbacks the last 395 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: couple of years. Um, I mean we can get into 396 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: all that because I know I'm sure dying to talk 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks, but uh, it's it's definitely one of these 398 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: things where I try to keep putting it out there 399 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: and people really were interesting it where again, these guys 400 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: are great at doing mocks, but to fade the noise, 401 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: that's how you make the profit a lot of the 402 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: time here in these drafts. And again I kept putting 403 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: out there for weeks to fade the mac over three 404 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: and a half and it just never ending. Yes from people, 405 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: just like never ending because people just don't want to 406 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: hear because they're already staunching their bets. But I just 407 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: try to have people look at it that these my 408 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: guys are really good at the same time they're they're 409 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: doing their has to try to guess something that's gonna happen. 410 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: It's it's impossible to predict how these gms are gonna 411 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: do things. So like he just said, Matt, Matt had 412 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: a great year and he was talking about Sean like 413 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: having a great year. That's like really impressive to get 414 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: that many right out of the picks because you never 415 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: know what team is gonna trade up or do things 416 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: weird like the Oakland Raiders. No one's probably I mean, 417 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: I know, like the other year they drafted a running 418 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: back that was an easy bet. You never know who 419 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: open's gonna take. And every time they do something weird 420 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: like what they did this year, taking the no alignment 421 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: like way before you're supposed to go, that kind of 422 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: has a ripple effect and a lot of people's mocks 423 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: and drafts. So again, when you're trying to bet these things, 424 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: I would definitely try to go with big plus numbers 425 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: because like, not all this could be like Freeman here, 426 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: where we're doing tons of bets like that. It's it's 427 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: easier tractor, but doing a smaller amount, especially at a 428 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: plus number, it's a little easier. But if you're like 429 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: Matt and there is a ton of advantage, I mean, 430 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: you can make every year, you're gonna make a profit. 431 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: I've never had a negative year betting on the draft 432 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: and I've been doing it now for eight nine years. 433 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: So it's one of those where I love the advantage 434 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: and the fact that books are taking more money and 435 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: out the future of it. I just love the way 436 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: it's going with gambling. Yeah, Sigmon, to your point, I've 437 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: never had a negative year. This is the one event 438 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: where everyone can say they're positive. And it makes sense, 439 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: like people are obsessed with the draft. They know more 440 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: about the draft, about the prospects than the bookmakers do. 441 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, Like it's the one area because it's information, 442 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: the one area where I think a lot of people 443 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: actually do have an edge over the bookmakers because the 444 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: bookmakers just don't care as much as obsessed sports fans do. Yeah, 445 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: and like the stuff that leaks, Like we all knew 446 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: Gettleman had leaked early. He liked DeVante Smith, he leaked 447 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: like two weeks prior so that under eleven and a half. 448 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: That was easy. Bet, sure, I got lucky. The egos 449 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: trade up, snatch and reperform. But it's one of those 450 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: like the Pittsburgh or the running back now as over 451 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: unders in that twenty four and a half for a 452 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: long time, maybe the whole week leading up to the draft, 453 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: and you kept hearing Pittsburgh was gonna take a running 454 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: back with the first picks in that number twenty four. So, 455 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: like you just said, there's always these advantages where the 456 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: bookmakers have to they pretty much have to play on 457 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: their on you know, they're trying to play both sides. 458 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: They can't have too much liability on one side. So, 459 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: like you just said, that Trey Lance line movement, that 460 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: was simply because they were just getting pounded on a 461 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: plus number and they needed it like even it out 462 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: with the offset what was happening with Max. So it 463 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: was really fun to watch all those numbers moving because 464 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: you just saw things were just steaming from you know, 465 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: as soon as I told you eleven am, so one o'clock, 466 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: the line had moved by two hundreds. So that's that's 467 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: the most fun for me on the draft day, where's 468 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: you get this inside affirmation. You see the line move 469 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: and you're just like, wow, nailed that one. So that's 470 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: that's like, you know the best because you know football, 471 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: we don't get that kind of crazy movement the day 472 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: of the games unless there's something crazy. And so I 473 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: love the draft. I know, we we we've gone too 474 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: far now about how much we love it, but yeah, 475 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: we love the draft. Well I think a lot of 476 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: people love the draft. You can see it in the ratings, 477 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: you could see it in the response, you could see 478 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: it in our audience uh in action, in the app 479 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: and on the web. It continues to be one of 480 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: those things. It's it's almost like social media for linear, 481 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: something is always coming up next. You're always like, let 482 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: me see this one more thing, let me see this 483 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: one more thing, let me see this one more thing, 484 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: and it's hard to walk away from it. As a 485 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Bears fan. We have not talked about Justin Fields. We 486 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: have not talked about the quarterbacking. We have not talked 487 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: about Zack Wilson. UM. The fact the Bears didn't get 488 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: out of the didn't get in their own way. They 489 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: made the right moves. They not only drafted Justin Fields, 490 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: who I love as a quarterback. And I have a bias, 491 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: not like I'm studying quarterbacks the wa you guys are, 492 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: but I just have a bias against quarterbacks who have 493 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: consistently performed at the highest levels, at the highest level, 494 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: and Justin Fields has done that. UM, Trevor Lawrence has 495 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: done that. Zack Wilson has not done that. Trey Lance 496 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: has not done that, Mac Jones has not done that. 497 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence are the only two quarterbacks 498 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: in this draft who, for consistent periods of time over 499 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: multiple seasons, exactly what they were supposed to do and 500 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: lived up to every expectation. For me, that was a 501 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: no brainer to get Justin Fields and go all in 502 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: on Justin Fields and to get alignment in the second round. 503 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: I don't know why it took the Bears, you know, 504 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: Matt Nagge and Ryan Pace five fucking years and the 505 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: threat of firing to get it right. But they finally 506 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: had a right justin fields Chad. This This was amazing. 507 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I think they had the best draft. And it wasn't 508 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: just getting Justin Fields, it was the way they did it. 509 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: They were incredibly intelligent with how they did this because 510 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: look at the forty Niners who moved from twelve to three. 511 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: Of course they had to give the twelve pick. In 512 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: that trade, they gave away two future first rounders and 513 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: a third rounder. They over levered themselves with that trade. 514 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: And then you compare that to the Bears, who were smart. 515 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: If they had done this before the draft, they would 516 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: have had to go all the way up to four 517 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: to ensure that they get their guy. But they waited. 518 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: They were opportunistic. They let a core were back fall 519 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: down the board. It's so much easier to trade from 520 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: twenty to eleven than twenty to four. So yeah, they 521 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: had to give away one future first rounder. But they're 522 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: still getting value because they got the number two quarterback 523 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: in the class in Justin Fields. And then they did 524 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: it again with Tevin Jenkins, who should have been a 525 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: first rounder. I mean, he's a first round caliber offensive lineman. 526 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: And to get him in the second round to move 527 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: from fifty two to thirty nine, yeah, you have to 528 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: give away a third round or to do that. But 529 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: you come away from the draft with a quarterback who 530 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: can potentially change your franchise and a left tackle who 531 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: can protect him. You win the draft if you do that, 532 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: regardless of whatever you do for the rest of it. 533 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: So they absolutely nailed it. We assume it's all about you, assume, 534 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: but it's all about the process. And with the information 535 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: we have now, they could not have played the market 536 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: any better than they did. And Uh, what do you want? Chat? 537 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: Do you want me to be positive or you want 538 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: me to read the storm bring the negativity? What do 539 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: you want? I want realism? Listen, I just want realism. 540 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: I want here's one for you. Throughout the entire experience 541 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: with the Action Network. Uh, from the day we launched, uh, 542 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: the Churning Group which which uh you know, owned the business, 543 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: started the business Mike Currents, who ran who runs digital 544 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: for the Turning Group. This was his idea. He's the 545 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: one who recruited me. Uh and uh. He would always say, 546 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: we need to be intellectually honest, meaning you can't you 547 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: have to look at the numbers devoid of any emotion. 548 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: You you, whatever your biases are, you have to leave 549 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: them at the door when you're looking at the business. 550 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: And we did, like there were times where things were 551 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: not going well and we had to be intellectually honest 552 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: about decisions we made and what we were trying to 553 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: do and all those kinds of things. In the draft, 554 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: I want intellectual honesty from you, Simon, I don't need 555 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: That's well, we all love the draft because it's just 556 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: it's like before the season starts, you just have the 557 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: highest of hopes. You see the way things can go. 558 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: You know, the Jets just got a new quarterback. There 559 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: feel like good. The Bears just got a new quarterback. 560 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: They're feeling good. So chat as you know, I love history. 561 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things. I love history, and 562 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: it's I love it so much because history just keeps 563 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: repeating itself and it's just never anywhere you can fight history. 564 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: As much as you want, but little things will always 565 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: lead you back the same end result. And you can 566 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: look through history anything, and even situations we're in right 567 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: now globally, you'll be able to find something like it 568 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: happening at one point in history, and you can find 569 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: the result. So what do we know about the draft? 570 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: We know that in the history of the NFL draft, 571 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean just in our lifetime, we've had two drafts 572 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: I would say the last thirty years that produced three 573 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: really good Hall of Fame quarterbacks, right and you know 574 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: the who knows twenty eighteen, it could work out. We 575 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: have the Baker, he could be a legit. Josh Allen 576 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: could be the Gil Lamar Sam Donald. We already know 577 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: Rosen's duck, so we we get how rare it is 578 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of quarterbacks or workouts. So right 579 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: now we have five quarterbacks got drafted in the top 580 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: fifteen picks. So if we're all gambling man, who would 581 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: bet on to be the first buss? We bet on 582 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. That kid looks like he just went through puberty. 583 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: He looks shook being around these other dudes who like 584 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: we're thrown up like signs and stuff like he did 585 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: not look like this dude is gonna be able to 586 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: hand in New York. And he's too good looking, which 587 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: people might hate me saying that I swear people talk 588 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: about all the time. There is something too that you 589 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: can be too good looking. He is way too good looking. 590 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Like how con struggle with it every day? It's a 591 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: it's um But now I'm joking. Of course he he 592 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: could work out. Like Matt said, we have no idea 593 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the coach and there what scheam 594 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: A're gonna put him in, how they're gonna support him. 595 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: When I look at Fields and Bears, it's people keep 596 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: talking about Ohio State don't produce quarterbacks. Guess what, The 597 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: Bears don't produce quarterback. So it's like the meeting of 598 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: two perfect stories. We have a franchise that can't draft, 599 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: can't produce quarterbacks in the last forty years, and we 600 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: have a college that cannot produce good caliber starting quarterbacks. 601 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: So I can't wait. I love it because I love Fields, 602 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: use my number, my number two raded quarterback. I have 603 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: the highest hopes. But I told you Chad, I'm a 604 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: fan of history, so I will be fading the Bears 605 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: and Fields the next coming years. Just be on the 606 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: simple fact that this is what the Bears do. They 607 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: can't draft and they're just bad with quarterbacks. So I 608 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: know it's painful to say, Chad, I'm but it's the 609 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: gambler in me man. I have to just look at 610 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: it non bias. Of course, I want him to work out. 611 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to be great for the Bears. But we 612 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: all know what's gonna happen here. We're gonna be sitting 613 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: here in four years and Chad's gonna have drafted a 614 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: quarterback and he's going to convince him stuff like he 615 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: is right now. So it's the hard truth. But I 616 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: definitely hope I'm wrong. Oh my god, If we're sitting 617 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: here in four years and having that conversation and Freedman 618 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: is still a part of it, I would have made 619 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: so many bad decisions since we sold this company. Yeah, Chad, 620 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: what you can do is you can actually just be 621 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: negative on it right now, so that if it doesn't 622 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: go your way, you knew what was going to happen, 623 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: and if it works out with Fields, then you can 624 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: be pleasantly surprised that that is maybe the mindset to 625 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: have here. I am so enthusiastic about justin fields up 626 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: until the moment Simon said, Ohio State doesn't produce quarterbacks. 627 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,239 Speaker 1: The Bears can't coach quarterbacks. Up until that moment, I 628 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: was in love with everything that they had done, and 629 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: you just made perfect sense. All it takes is one man. 630 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: He could be your knee, you know, he could be 631 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: your savior. So he could be the glitch of the matrix. 632 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: It's to be seen. But just as a gambler, it's 633 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: just one of those where I have to look at 634 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: the situation in the history. It's just like this team 635 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: usually messes up. So my last quarterback got like I 636 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: get my Patriots fans are feeling great. They think they 637 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: got a good deal on mac Jones. Mac Jones went 638 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: exactly where he was supposed to go, used us in 639 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: the middle of first round and her first round quarterback 640 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: with limited upside. He's smart, Belichick. He's one of those 641 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: guys that I'm not going to bet against them the 642 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: simple fact that, yeah, it's probably gonna work out for him. 643 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: But again, what do we know about the Patriots. They 644 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: drafted one good quarterback last twenty years. His name is 645 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady that was in the seventh round. These people, 646 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: it's not like they're franchise of groups where they keep 647 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: pumping out great quarterbacks. You can go through the list. 648 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: Sure you can say Jimmy was a good quarterback. Was 649 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: he really? The guy can't stay on the field. So 650 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: it's just one of those where none of these teams 651 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: have the exact science. So early on, like especially after 652 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: I watching much film, we talked about the time going 653 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: to the rookie year, there's gonna be one or two 654 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks they're gonna succeed this season. Last year 655 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: at Herbert, I mean, we could say what we want 656 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow. We don't know because he got hurt 657 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: and he was passing a ton every game. But but 658 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Burrow looks pretty good. He looks like he's going to 659 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: be a starter in this league. Like he's tough, he's intelligent, 660 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: and he makes really good throws. But to uh, we 661 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: don't know that that guy could be a bus So 662 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like we all have high hopes 663 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: for these picks, but you have to actually watch them 664 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: play and see how they surround him where it's like 665 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I have a lot of things where 666 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: it's like I'm obsessed with Fields and I love them 667 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: to death, and it's like this guy's upside is so tremendous, 668 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: but like you just went through with Naggy and I'm 669 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: just worried. I'm just worried about the situation she's going 670 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: through that it's a GM that's on a hot seats coach, 671 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: it's on a hot seat. It's a lot of turmoil. 672 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: We're at least with Zach Wilson, You've got a brand 673 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: new head coach, you're safe for the next couple of years, 674 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: and you have a GM who is just supporting him. 675 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: He literally dropped an alignment last year, dropped another alignment 676 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: this year in the first round. I just it's like 677 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: two things where it's like I don't know which one'm 678 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: gonna bank on whom betting futures on. But right now, 679 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: for me, if if you are going to make me 680 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: picking a rookie year bets and you wanna start getting 681 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: to that stuff, yeah, my favorite upside bet right now 682 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: is probably Fields. But Field has been bet up so 683 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: high now there's no value because the number has just 684 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: been bet up by all these parents fans, so I 685 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: love him, Jet, I'm like excited for your hack. I 686 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: don't want you to be like, this guy's durning my life. 687 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm just letting you out the histories. You know, four 688 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: years we're sitting here. It's just like, okay, I mean, 689 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: he was right, but it's it's just one of those 690 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: things where it's who really knows to your point about 691 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: the turmoil, like that is one thing that could get Fields. 692 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: Historically if you look at the quarterbacks who tend not 693 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: to pan out and there's you know, something of a 694 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy here. But the quarterbacks who have to 695 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: endure regime changes, whether that's you know, new coaches coming in, 696 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: new general managers coming in, those situations tend not to 697 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: work out for the quarterbacks. They need continuity. That's one 698 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: thing that I think mac Jones probably will have going 699 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: for him with the Patriots is I expect there will 700 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: be continuity there for the foreseeable future with him while 701 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: he develops with Fields. If it doesn't work out this 702 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: year and Naggi is fired, then you just have to 703 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: start over again next year with Fields, and that will 704 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: set him back. So that is the one thing that 705 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: you have to hope for it that everything works out 706 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: for him this year and that he's good enough, the 707 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: team is good enough for Naggy to get another year, 708 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: and then they can keep on progressing with the system 709 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: that he's in right now. Do you know what I love? Uh? 710 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: I love that the celebration, images, videos, whatever from the stiffest, 711 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: most uncomfortable NFL team exects and scouts who like when 712 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: they draft their precious twenty one year old wide receiver 713 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: or alignment or running back or defensive back or quarterback. 714 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: They're high five in each other. They're hugging each other 715 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: like it's exactly what they wanted, when not everybody gets 716 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: exactly what they want, and but they will. They will 717 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: tell you this is perfect. It's exactly how we saw 718 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: the board playing out. We knew this guy was gonna 719 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: do this. We knew this guy was gonna do this, 720 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: and if this guy ended up in our laps, we 721 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: were golden. And then they will celebrate as if it's 722 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: the greatest moment of their lives, and they just look silly. 723 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: The whole draft process has revealed it itself to be unscientific, 724 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: completely steeped in emotion, and I lose so much respect 725 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: for these scouts and gms every year because it seems 726 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: like they know less and less about how to do 727 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: their jobs. I'll just counter that real quick. If you look, 728 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: they are pretty good. Like if you look at this 729 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: year the quarterbacks, the stars in the league and what 730 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: rounds are taking in, they nail it like over half 731 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: the league our first round pick, So like they're they're 732 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: pretty good. But of course there's always be ones that 733 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: slip through the crack where it's like, you know, dak 734 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: Or Russell Wilson, these guys that go third, fourth round. 735 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: But I would say, like you're just saying it is 736 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: a crap shoot, like most of these teams, Like the 737 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: most painful video forever will be the Vikings celebrating getting 738 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: the Eagles passed and took Gregor last year and when 739 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: they got Jefferson. They just played that on a loop 740 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: of the Vikings being like, wait who they take? Wait 741 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: what they do? And they traded up and they took that. That. 742 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: As an Egos fan, those those videos can be very painful, 743 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: So I know you mean, though it is diculous than celebrating. 744 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're totally all right, before we go, we gotta go. 745 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: But before we do. Um, I would like to know, 746 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: did anything that happened in the draft change your opinions 747 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: about Super Bowl futures for any team? Freeman? You first, Yeah, 748 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: three three teams that catch my eye, the Dolphins, the Chargers, 749 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: and the Panthers all at long odds. All three of 750 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: them had very good, very sound drafts. They didn't reach, 751 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: and they filled significant positions of need. So if you 752 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: want to bet on, you know a team that's further 753 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: down the board, those are the three that catch my eye. 754 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: Agree with you on the Chargers. As we know, I've 755 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: already bet a third of the NFL teams on NFL futures. 756 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: The only one that I currently feel good about the 757 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. Yeah, I did as well. Like a 758 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: Friday morning, I woke up and there were still four 759 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: year one and I think that was because of the 760 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: Rogers stuff with Denver, which I know we didn't get too, 761 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: but I do think that's complete bs. But it gave 762 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: me good odds and they bumped the charge all up 763 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: the four to once. It's like that. And then Friday 764 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: morning took the Browns against the Browns were plus a 765 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: thousands a f C. I didn't do Super Bowl because 766 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: I didn't love the odds. I don't think there is 767 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: a great plus a thousand and one n FC. I 768 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: liked those odds, so I took the Browns as well 769 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: because I thought they just had a great draft. Their 770 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: defense is just stacked. So love, love what the Browns 771 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: are doing. Well. Listen, the good news is it's May 772 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: and we have many months to talk about Rookie of 773 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: the Year odds, Conference odds, super Bowl odds, UH, MVP odds, um, UH, 774 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: Divisional odds, UH, season win totals. Now that the draft 775 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: is done, now that free agency is done, We're gonna 776 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: get O t A soon. We're gonna get mini camps. 777 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna get training camps like we got a full 778 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: off season of NFL joy and a lot more to cover. 779 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: Matthew Freedman, I guess thank you for joining us. Simon Hunter, 780 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: my bff. Always thank you for joining us. This has 781 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: been the favorites from the Volume podcast Network. We will 782 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: be back on Thursday with the Thursday Thunderdome, the best 783 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: sports trivia podcast in the podcast world. Download this podcast 784 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: but from Apple podcast, from Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. 785 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: Until next time, I love you