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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, Springing.

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker, CBS Sports Westwood One analyst, host of the

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker Football Podcast. You got a Mike McCarthy cliche

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Speaker 2: that he utters today.

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Speaker 3: No, but I kind of like.

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Speaker 4: Dan, you gotta you got a decent Pittsburgh accent. You

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Speaker 4: gotta you got a decent you do a decent Mike

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Speaker 4: McCarthy Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard that before.

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Speaker 2: Well, he just loved football. It's all he does. He

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Speaker 2: loved football. We're blue collar team, blue collar town. Just bla,

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Speaker 2: we love football. Uh you went to Princeton and you

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Speaker 2: tell us all the time.

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Speaker 5: Uh No, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't say to you.

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Speaker 2: You got a Princeton zip up three quarters and you

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Speaker 2: got your Princeton helmet behind you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's branding, Dan, it's branding. I was not like

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Speaker 4: some Hall of Fame player. Pro Bowl players are gonna

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Speaker 4: remember me. They're gonna pay him. They're gonna say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's the guy that went to prison. He's a smart guy. Hey, No, Brandy,

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Speaker 4: it's intentional. You might have made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Considering that Shador Sanders gets to make the Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 2: you might they might have said, we need we need somebody,

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Speaker 2: how about you, Ross, That's.

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Speaker 3: Actually a good point. In two thousand and four, I

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Speaker 3: definitely had a better season than this year.

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Speaker 4: Not a quarterback, No, But back then, back then they

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Speaker 4: would actually like it was hard to make the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I I honestly, I talked about this this morning on

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Speaker 4: the Ross Tucker Football podcast, And forgive my ignorance, I

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Speaker 4: legitimately don't even know how he.

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Speaker 3: Was the next alternate up like it was.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he won the fan vote, like in a landslide,

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Speaker 4: Like how is it Drake May's out?

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Speaker 3: So Shador Sanders is in.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people had to say no.

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Speaker 3: Evidently, But I get it.

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Speaker 2: If this is a TV show, that that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: I understand you're going to bring him in. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: I don't value the Pro Bowl designation like I used to.

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Speaker 2: And my suggestion is that you have an NFC AFC

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl roster that you announced, whether they can play

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Speaker 2: in it or not, you're still the Pro Bowl player

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Speaker 2: at that position for that year. Anybody else is just

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Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl Games participant and should be noted and

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Speaker 2: not on your resume.

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Speaker 5: That you were a Pro Bowl player.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: That seems like a fantastic way to go about it,

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Speaker 4: because there needs to be some distinction between the guys

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Speaker 4: that actually earned it and the guys that were the

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Speaker 4: fourth alternate and ended up.

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Speaker 3: But don't even I honestly don't even know what it's

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Speaker 3: called the Pro Bowl. They play like flag football. I

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Speaker 3: really don't even know what they do anymore.

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Speaker 2: They have challenges and tuggle war and you know, okay,

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Speaker 2: but let's be fair. Let's say you had a chance

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and four and they said, hey, we

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Speaker 2: would like for you to be an alternate for the

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Would you have done it?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely if you knew that there were like twenty linemen

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Speaker 2: in front of you who declined going to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know why because if you looked at my Wikipedia,

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Speaker 4: it would say Ross Tucker is.

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Speaker 3: A former Pro Bowl offensive lineman from Why Miss defensiveany

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like I won, I can't remember, Oh, oh,

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Speaker 3: I know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I do Eagles preseason games, as you know, Dan, and

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Speaker 4: I've been I've been nominated or we've been nominated for.

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Speaker 3: Multiple mid Atlantic Emmys. Right, So you know what I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm an Emmy nominated broadcast.

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Speaker 4: And that's legit. You can look it up. There's links

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Speaker 4: and everything. I am an Emmy nominated brog. I haven't

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Speaker 4: won it yet, but I've been nominated.

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Speaker 3: Seaton.

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Speaker 5: Would you give ross the two poll questions today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Right now, We've got up there which wins more games?

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Speaker 6: Gut feeling or analytics? And then another one here from PAULI,

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Speaker 6: which would NFL fans prefer the new head coach of

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Speaker 6: their team, the hot young assistant or the older established coach.

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Speaker 4: Well, the second one is are you asking my opinion

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Speaker 4: or what I think people want?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: Your opinion?

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Speaker 4: Ooh, my opinion is probably the older established coach.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know what you know.

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Speaker 4: I everybody immediately goes to Mike McCarthy, but I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at more like Stefanski, John Harbaugh sala. I think what

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Speaker 4: these teams are doing by hiring guys and giving them

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Speaker 4: a second chance or a second.

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Speaker 3: I think that's smart.

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Speaker 4: You know, everybody in life learns from your mistakes and

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Speaker 4: gets you would think you'd like to think would get

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Speaker 4: better when you get a second opportunity. You know, I

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Speaker 4: certainly feel like I'm a better broadcaster than I was,

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Speaker 4: you know, when I.

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Speaker 3: Was starting out.

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Speaker 4: So I'll give me the guy with experience, because you're

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Speaker 4: really rolling the dice with the guy that's never done

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Speaker 4: it before. In terms of analytics versus gut, I will

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Speaker 4: lean probability, I will lean to the numbers.

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Speaker 3: I will lean analytics. But I think I don't like

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Speaker 3: how that's phrased.

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Speaker 2: So one of my ability probability is Okay, when you

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Speaker 2: say analytics, it triggers something in people.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand percent correct, And that's the thing, Like analytics

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Speaker 4: is just probability.

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Speaker 3: And I know, uh Stink was on with you guys

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Speaker 3: yesterday and you have a lot of attention. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: like nerds and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, I know that any player that's ever played,

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Speaker 4: the defensive coordinators pour overtape to try to identify what

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Speaker 4: you're most likely to do in these situations. You know,

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Speaker 4: when they're in this personnel grouping, they're seventy five percent

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Speaker 4: run to the writer thirty two percent. What I'm just

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Speaker 4: making it up, Okay, All that the analytics are trying

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Speaker 4: to do is allow you to know what the probability

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Speaker 4: is of each decision you could make the issue I

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Speaker 4: have Dan, let's talk about the Sean Payton decision, all right,

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Speaker 4: and let's just say, because that's all where Greg Olsen said,

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Speaker 4: the analytics said to kick, which surprised me.

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Speaker 3: By the way fourth and one from the fourteen that

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Speaker 3: would surprise me.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to talk to Greg about that and see

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Speaker 4: where he's getting that information.

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Speaker 7: But these are.

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Speaker 4: Living, breathing games, Like do the analytics which you've created

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Speaker 4: before the game, how much do they take into account

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Speaker 4: that you have Jared Sidham as your quarterback?

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Speaker 3: How much you take into account is going to snow

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Speaker 3: in the second half. How about the fact.

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Speaker 4: That if you kick the field goal, you're going up

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Speaker 4: by two scores. That's why I think it's really important

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Speaker 4: that these coaches take into account what the win probability

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Speaker 4: tells them, take into account what the analytics recommends, but

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Speaker 4: then also use your own judgment.

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Speaker 3: It should really just be one.

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Speaker 4: Of the inputs that you're factoring into ultimately making the decision,

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Speaker 4: because some of the other inputs you should be considering

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Speaker 4: are not built into the analytical model, which, by the way,

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Speaker 4: every team has their own. So when you see these

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Speaker 4: like TV, these games they're like the analytics, say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the analytics is not some bible that is like every

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Speaker 4: team's reading from the same book of analytics. It's every

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Speaker 4: team has their own model based on their own things

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Speaker 4: that they value and don't value.

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker, CBS Sports Westwood One broadcaster and host of

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Speaker 2: the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. He will be the color

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Speaker 2: analyst on the Super Bowl for UK Radio.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 5: How is your British accent?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not gonna try to do that, but you know,

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Speaker 4: the play by play guy is the redheaded guy with

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Speaker 4: the beard, Will Gavin, who went viral for some of

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Speaker 4: his calls during the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He's play by play. I'm color.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be electric. I have no idea who is

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Speaker 4: going to be listening to the Super Bowl on the

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Speaker 4: radio in London at two am? No idea if there's anybody,

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Speaker 4: but I promise you, as guys my witness, that is

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Speaker 4: going to be an electric broadcast Will Gavin and me.

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Speaker 3: If you happen to be listening to your radio.

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Speaker 4: And what's it called abby whatever the abby thing is called,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: Twelve thirty to four, we are going to be killing it.

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Speaker 5: Are you is are you the John Madden of UK radio.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be for the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I will I In all sincerity, I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 4: Will this because I'm interviewing him today for my podcast.

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Speaker 3: If you're in the UK and.

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Speaker 4: You're really into football enough that you're gonna watch the

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Speaker 4: game that you're gonna be part of the game.

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Speaker 3: From twelve thirty to four am local time, you're probably

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Speaker 3: watching it, right, You're probably not listening to me, although

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Speaker 3: maybe they can watch it and mute the TV and

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Speaker 3: then listen to me. People do that. That works.

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Speaker 5: You never know who's gonna be listening.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: You never know.

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Speaker 2: There could be somebody who hears you and they go, wow,

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Speaker 2: you know what I have that guy in mind for.

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Speaker 2: They're the director for Marty Supreme, the Timothy Schallomet movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a big fan of Howard Stern, and Howard had

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Speaker 2: a couple of his callers, regular callers that this guy

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Speaker 2: put in the movie with Timothy shallow May. And one

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Speaker 2: Mary Anne from Brooklyn is in a scene with Timothy

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Speaker 2: shallow May. And it's only because that one of the

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Speaker 2: Saftie brothers said I want her in the movie.

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Speaker 3: You never know that.

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Speaker 4: That's incredible, Almost as incredible as the fact that I'm

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Speaker 4: familiar with who that actor is and I've seen him

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Speaker 4: like Court sided the Knicks, and but I don't really

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Speaker 4: watch television and movies like other than like documentaries or

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Speaker 4: football documentaries. Dan, I swear I thought his name was Challamet.

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Speaker 4: I had never I had never heard it pronounced before.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea it was Shallo May and that

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Speaker 4: Challa May sounds so much better than Challamet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Timothy Challa May.

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Speaker 4: Timothy Chara May is not from Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: He's from New York. His dad is French, Timothy Chela May.

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Speaker 2: The Rams lost because Dot dont.

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Speaker 4: Uh because the kid muffed the punt, I mean, and

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Speaker 4: their defense blew it, you know. I mean, those are

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Speaker 4: the two things that jumped out to me. That's rough

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Speaker 4: to have a guy that earlier in the game. He's

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Speaker 4: a second year kid from Florida, A and m Xavier Smith.

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Speaker 3: He muffs it, Dan, but they recover it.

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Speaker 4: So you could have made the decision theoretically to put

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Speaker 4: Kyen Williams back there. The kid muffs another one, they

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Speaker 4: get a touchdown, then you put Kyen Williams back there.

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Speaker 4: That was obviously a huge difference. But I don't know

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Speaker 4: what happened to the Rams defense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Clint.

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Speaker 4: Kubiak, that's a guy that should get a head coaching

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Speaker 4: job the OC for the Seahawks. He impressed me, and

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Speaker 4: they lit up the Ram The Rams def needed to

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Speaker 4: be better than that. I mean, Stafford played unbelievable and

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Speaker 4: They probably don't win against Denver unless Peyton doesn't kick

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker, the Voice of English Football, Are Football?

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Speaker 4: The Voice the Super Bowl Voice, Yes of English Football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see you next week in San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Yes, six Am. Fritzi's only texted me seven times about

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Speaker 4: it so far. Seven times, Todd, there's a pretty good

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Speaker 4: I overslept. I can't make it. I really just want it.

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Speaker 2: If he is gonna have a nervous breakdown, he would

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Speaker 5: That's Ross Tucker.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking analytics. We've been talking analytics since the

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Speaker 2: Denver Broncos fourth and one call. Those who were all

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Speaker 2: Sam Schwartstein does this for a living Amazon Prime, the

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Speaker 2: football analytics expert there. When did analytics become a bad

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: For me, it's always been a good word. When I

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Speaker 9: You're hitting the nail on the head. And a large

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Speaker 9: down to eleven drives per game. That might have seen

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Speaker 9: them a lot, but that's one fewer scoring opportunity because

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Speaker 9: we're having longer drives and you're starting in different field

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Speaker 9: position spots. You know, as good as the dynamic kickoff

446
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Speaker 9: is helping teams start closer, failed fourth down conversion inside

447
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Speaker 9: the five, you don't see those points on the scoreboard,

448
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Speaker 9: but when you look at the expected points, teams score

449
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Speaker 9: only probably three percent of the time when they start

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Speaker 9: inside their on five yard line. So it changes, Oh okay,

451
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Speaker 9: now you're likely to get the ball back in scoring position.

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Speaker 9: And that's what's going through the mind of Sean Payton,

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Speaker 9: because hey, even if I don't fail here, my defense

454
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Speaker 9: is playing great, I'll still likely get the ball back

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Speaker 9: on my own forty which is a great spot to start.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. What would you have done in the moment?

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Speaker 2: What did you say in the moment on the fourth

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Speaker 2: in one call by the Broncos Well.

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Speaker 9: I was on a plane to London. That's where I'm

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Speaker 9: doing this call from.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 9: We started our innovation process, so I was on game cast,

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Speaker 9: couldn't get the game streaming. But I probably go fourth there.

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Speaker 9: It depends on the game plan. Jared Stidham. They felt

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Speaker 9: confident his running ability.

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Speaker 5: I hate that call, though, Sam I.

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Speaker 9: Hate it too. I would rather him have his own

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Speaker 9: read or something. But to me, I'm basing a lot

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Speaker 9: of my fourth and one decision off of QB sneak

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Speaker 9: and I really want to have it. It's why I

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Speaker 9: love the teams that use the giant tight end to

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Speaker 9: go in and do it, because you're not contingent on

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Speaker 9: the quarterback or putting the quarterback in danger to do it.

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Speaker 9: An Aj Barner, a Connor Hayward. Those scenarios I would

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Speaker 9: probably lean on. And when one of the beautiful things

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Speaker 9: about next Gen status is we actually see where the

477
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Speaker 9: ball actually was on TV. You're just going to see it,

478
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Speaker 9: says fourth and one, It's actually fourth and one plus

479
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Speaker 9: four or one point four yards. So because we're in

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Speaker 9: that little it's not an integer, it's not a solid

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Speaker 9: number on every time to go for it. That's probably

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Speaker 9: why they wanted to call the bootleg. But I also

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Speaker 9: don't like the call. When I would do the rules

484
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Speaker 9: of the XFL, I never would tell the coaches what

485
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Speaker 9: play to call because that's not my expertise. Right I

486
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Speaker 9: have certain things I like to do, but I'm not

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Speaker 9: a play caller or play a designer, and so I'm

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Speaker 9: gonna lean on Sean Payton for what he wants to do.

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Speaker 9: But he probably doesn't love the call either right now, No.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he does gut feeling over analytics. How

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Speaker 2: do you balance that?

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Speaker 9: I from my point of view, I lean heavily on

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Speaker 9: the analytics, and that drives my gut feeling. If you

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Speaker 9: watch Prime Vision in next Gen Stats, you're gonna hear

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Speaker 9: me talk about team tendencies and how they approach the game,

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Speaker 9: very similar how I prepared for games, all driven by

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Speaker 9: analytics and data. Where I think gut feeling can come

498
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Speaker 9: in is the same thing about those numbers. If I

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Speaker 9: know you aren't going to blitz from your numbers. It

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Speaker 9: can be a tendency and can beat me. If I

501
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Speaker 9: know that you're doing a tendency breaker in game, I

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Speaker 9: might change my thinking.

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Speaker 2: So I always and the Patriots did something different though,

504
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Speaker 2: because you had two linemen who came right through on

505
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Speaker 2: that play and the defensive back could have had an interception.

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Speaker 2: So they completely knew what was going on here exactly.

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Speaker 9: And that's where they're lining up in a unique formation

508
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Speaker 9: stop the sneak as well as give a tougher read

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Speaker 9: to the quarterback. And I think that's where first half

510
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Speaker 9: timeouts I don't really have too much. I'm not holding

511
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Speaker 9: onto them as much as I am for the second

512
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Speaker 9: half timeouts. So if you see something funky, we talk

513
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Speaker 9: about that all the time at Prime. It's like when

514
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Speaker 9: we have our red orbs show up and something funky's

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Speaker 9: going on, Like, hey, chill out a little bit, let's

516
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Speaker 9: take a breather before you just really dive in.

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Speaker 2: How much do you factor in the pressure of the

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Speaker 2: game That regular season is one thing, playoff game and

519
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Speaker 2: now Super Bowl Sunday.

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Speaker 9: What happens in football is so much of the game

521
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Speaker 9: is hinged on about six plays we play, have one

522
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Speaker 9: hundred and thirty scrimmage plays per game, about one hundred

523
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Speaker 9: and eighty plays total, and six plays may decide the game.

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Speaker 9: Just like been at the poker's table. You can win

525
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Speaker 9: over time playing small hands, but you get rich playing

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Speaker 9: the big hands. You could also bust. And I think

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Speaker 9: there's certain teams. If I'm a much better team and

528
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Speaker 9: i feel much better in my confidence, I'm gonna be

529
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Speaker 9: probably less likely to run more dangerous plays. Versus if

530
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Speaker 9: I'm the underdog in that scenario, I'm probably gonna hedge higher.

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Speaker 9: I'm putting all my chips in the table.

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Speaker 5: Did you play for Jim Harball?

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Speaker 9: I played three years for Jim and two years for

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Speaker 9: coach show David Shaw.

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Speaker 5: Okay, hardball buy into analytics.

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Speaker 9: Depends tendencies very much driven by it. So what Stanford

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Speaker 9: we had under Greg Roman, he started this was to

538
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Speaker 9: kill an alert system, and it was all based on

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Speaker 9: team tendencies and it all depended on what he thought

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Speaker 9: his team could do.

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 9: We had big Fangio Colin plays for this thing about

543
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Speaker 9: that Stanford football team. Like Vic Colin plays, you had

544
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Speaker 9: Andrew Luck. It was a funny meme from one of

545
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Speaker 9: the message boards saying Sam Schwartzen was only non millionaire

546
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Speaker 9: from that offense, so you know, go true and I

547
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Speaker 9: think you know that was a big focus on what

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Speaker 9: they wanted to do. But we also had a stellar defense,

549
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Speaker 9: and so he's bought in on anything that will help

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Speaker 9: him win. And I think that's that's the big thing

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Speaker 9: with him and Coach Shaw is a very similar way.

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Speaker 9: People would hate when Coach Shaw would punt from opponent territory,

553
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Speaker 9: But hey, we won the Rose Bowl, something Jim never did,

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Speaker 9: you know, So it is a big big deal for

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Speaker 9: how do I play it on my team strengths?

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Speaker 2: But you also were cheating then you would hike the

557
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Speaker 2: ball that you moved it up right.

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Speaker 9: So how do you move on and a half?

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Speaker 5: Okay, how do you do that? And nobody's calling you

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Speaker 5: on it.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna have to show you next week, hopefully you

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Speaker 9: guys are in Santa Clara for San Francisco. But normally

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Speaker 9: what I would do is, it's crazy, it's short yard,

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Speaker 9: it's fourth down. Everyone's screaming going nuts. I would line

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Speaker 9: up with my feet parallel on top of the ball,

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Speaker 9: and as I'm calling the mic point out, I would

567
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Speaker 9: just move the ball forward too, and I would move

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Speaker 9: it out so I would extend my stands from my feet.

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Speaker 9: In the Fiesta Bowl, I got two off sides penalties

570
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Speaker 9: called on Oklahoma State. Didn't help us win the game

571
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Speaker 9: because the officials were like, they're lined up off sides,

572
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Speaker 9: but they lined up before I got set, and so

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Speaker 9: that's why they got called off sides.

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Speaker 5: But Notre Dame busted you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Notre Dames. I remember being on the team plane

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Speaker 9: and we landed. I'm pretty excited. I'm captain in first class, excited.

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Speaker 9: We're going a couple of days early, and Coach Shaw says, hey, Samy,

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Speaker 9: I need you to stand on the plane. I gotta

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Speaker 9: talk to you. And I'm nervous. What could this be?

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Speaker 9: Did I flunk out of a class? I don't know

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Speaker 9: what I did. He's like, Notre Dame sent and thirteen

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Speaker 9: clips that you moveing.

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Speaker 3: The ball for it. We gotta fix it.

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Speaker 9: And Sean Hockerley made sure to yell at me every

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Speaker 9: single play that game and we lost in overtime. Not

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Speaker 9: that the scars are still there.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, Sam travels and hopefully we'll cross paths in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco.

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Speaker 9: How about going thanks stream come true?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 5: Wait really really Okay.

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Speaker 7: I got the invite. I'm gonna show up.

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Speaker 5: What are you gonna talk about?

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Speaker 10: I think we are previewing and highlighting Sunday night basketball

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Speaker 10: in America. You know we are going to take that

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Speaker 10: time slot now now that football is into it. In

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Speaker 10: Sunday night bath Goo Ball is beginning with my good

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Speaker 10: friend uh in the legendary Mike Cherico and Jamal Crawford,

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Speaker 10: so three man booths and starting this Sunday, the Lakers

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Speaker 10: versus the next.

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Speaker 7: In my second home.

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Speaker 5: Is everybody going to be available to play in that game?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 7: I hope so?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Do you think what you mean? Because something blockbuster might?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: No, no, I'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure all hands, Like I

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Speaker 2: never assume everybody's playing in a game now, it's it's unfortunate,

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Speaker 2: but I hope that they do.

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 10: It's not unfortunate. But isn't it sad? Isn't it said

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Speaker 10: that you even have to think about that? I mean,

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Speaker 10: we never thought about that back in the day. I

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Speaker 10: don't want to go down this route of out what

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Speaker 10: we did in my day. But it's sad that fans,

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Speaker 10: like yourself, because I consider you a fan of the

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Speaker 10: game as well, that fans would even be like, well,

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Speaker 10: who's going to be playing?

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Speaker 7: Is everyone going to be available?

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Speaker 10: You just didn't think about those things back in the day,

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Speaker 10: when you knew if someone had a legit injury, well

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Speaker 10: you knew they weren't playing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, when there's four games and.

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Speaker 10: Five nights, the availabilities of some stars, I don't know

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Speaker 10: if you'll get them those four games in those five nights.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Like Giannis's injury, he's out, He's out tonight, Yeah, tonight,

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Speaker 2: but like four to six weeks, is that does he

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Speaker 2: play again for Milwaukee?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Look, I've been kind of scratching my head.

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Speaker 10: If you are a Bucks fan and you live in

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Speaker 10: the in the state of Wisconsin, could you have seen

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Speaker 10: Giannis's last game in a Bucks uniform. I hope not,

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Speaker 10: but look, there seems to be riding down the wall.

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Speaker 10: He's open to being traded again. He has not come

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Speaker 10: out and said I want to be traded, but you

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Speaker 10: hear the from the Buck side now that it may

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Speaker 10: be beneficial from their end as well to clear the

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Speaker 10: books and close this chapter. Again, we don't know. This

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Speaker 10: is all talk. This is all people just throwing out

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Speaker 10: ideas and you know, coming up with rumors and so forth.

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Speaker 7: But we know he won't be playing tonight.

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Speaker 10: What we do believe because Joelle and Paul George didn't

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Speaker 10: play and that's thrilling loss last night for the Sixers

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Speaker 10: versus the Hornets at one point down.

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Speaker 7: Fifty at the end of three. I believe we will

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Speaker 7: have Joel and Paul George in attendance tonight.

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Speaker 10: Wha, but they got to make up the difference versus

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Speaker 10: this under manned Milwaukee team.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking lot of analytics related to the Broncos loss,

663
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: and I'm curious when analytics came in to the NBA.

664
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 3: I'd believe.

665
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 7: Early to mid two thousands.

666
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 10: I think right as I was basically retiring, I think

667
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 10: people started to look at the stats more three versus two.

668
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 10: That's when you started to get threes, free throws and layups,

669
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 10: and the mid range game kind of started to become

670
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 10: a little bit more obsolete, and you started to play

671
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 10: more in space and pace. So I would say around

672
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 10: two thousand and five, six seven, and then it just

673
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 10: kind of took off from.

674
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: There because you don't have to encourage somebody to take

675
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: a three now, whereas when you were playing, you know,

676
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: if somebody took three threes in a game or four,

677
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: that felt like a lot. Now you might do that

678
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: in the first quarter.

679
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 7: A funny question.

680
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame coach arguably one of the best coaches

681
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 10: I ever played for in Larry Brown.

682
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 7: He used to look at me crazy when I was.

683
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 10: Taking five to seven threes during that run from ninety

684
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 10: four to when he left, I believe in ninety seven

685
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 10: ninety eight, like he jumped all on me because I

686
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 10: was taking threes.

687
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 7: I mean, he was like living.

688
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 10: I just wonder what he would think about in today's games,

689
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 10: where I mean and it's not so much to me,

690
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 10: it's who's taking three. Yes, I mean, you've got sinners power.

691
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 10: Everyone's taking threes. It just is not the point guard

692
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 10: or the shooting guards. It's I mean, assistant coaches are

693
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 10: taking threes now from the bench.

694
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: I go back to Rick Batino at Providence when Billy

695
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: Donovan was one of his players. Rick is one of

696
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: the first coaches who ever embrace the three because he

697
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: had a small lineup and he shot the three. And

698
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: then I go back to Paul West had at Loyla Marymount.

699
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: They were going to run you and they'll give you

700
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: your two, but they're gonna come down and shoot the three.

701
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Like these are two legendary moments coaching moments in history

702
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: and how they've affected the game.

703
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 10: I think we also have to throw Don Nelson in

704
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 10: there as well.

705
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 7: Run TMC.

706
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 10: They were kind of ahead of their schedule with Chris Malin,

707
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 10: Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Sharunas Marcellonis.

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: And also he didn't have to have a big man either.

709
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: He was the first coach who said, I don't need

710
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: to have six' eleven seven. Footer my center can be

711
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: six to.

712
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 10: Seven and they played small and they tried to run

713
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 10: you off the, Court they tried to outscore, you and they.

714
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 10: DIDN'T i, mean they had some, success but not great.

715
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 10: Success AND i don't think that really caught on in the.

716
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 10: Nineties but boy has to come full circle now when

717
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 10: you look back at Those nelly teams and how they,

718
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 10: performed and think about the success you know those teams

719
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 10: had back in The Bay area as well when they

720
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 10: upset When dallas was the number one seed With dirk

721
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 10: and all, that and you Had Baron, Davis Stephen, Jackson Matty.

722
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 7: Barnes those teams came full.

723
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: Circle Reggie miller on the call tonight at eight. Eastern

724
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: it'll be The bucks visiting the seventy six.

725
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: Ers mac. McClung no slam dunk. Contest why no four pt?

726
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 7: Right that would be a four.

727
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: Peak what is holding up his? Schedule maybe he turned it.

728
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: Down, Well i'd get a guess that he, Did BUT i,

729
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: mean that's what you're known, for.

730
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 7: Three time, winner was looking for a four. Peat, yeah

731
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 7: maybe he turned it.

732
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 10: Down, look there's only so many dunks human being can possibly.

733
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 10: Do AND i give him credit because he's saved the

734
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 10: dunk contest the last few years and if you're not

735
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 10: gonna have big. Names thank, God matt he brought the,

736
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 10: funk as we call, it because he saved the dunk.

737
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 7: Contest but, again you AND i have been down this.

738
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 10: ROAD i think the three point competition has surpassed him

739
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 10: BECAUSE i, mean everyone's counting in the.

740
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 7: Arena you just don't.

741
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 10: Know in the dunk, contest if a guy's going to

742
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 10: make a, dunk how many attempts he. Gets the luster

743
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 10: comes off when he misses his first. Dunk at least

744
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 10: in the three point, competition it's make or, miss and

745
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 10: you know the.

746
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: Number why can't we do The and we've discussed this

747
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: that we have the old and the new in a

748
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: three point shooting contest where you Have Del curry And Steph.

749
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: Curry you, know you could be there With Klay, thompson

750
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: you And halliburton if he was. Healthy BUT i, mean

751
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: it'd be kind of fun to embrace the past and

752
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: the president in a three point shooting.

753
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 5: CONTEXT i would be.

754
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 7: On board with that.

755
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 10: THAT i, mean obviously us old timers would have to

756
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 10: have some type of, handicap.

757
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 7: But let the current day, players you, know do the bigger.

758
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 10: Role BUT i would be on board of that because

759
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 10: the last thing to ever, leave because you could get

760
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 10: Are Craig hodges who can still, Shoot peijarstoyokovic who can still,

761
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 10: Shoot Mark price who can still, shoot The Steve kerr

762
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 10: can still. SHOOT i mean it would be cool to

763
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 10: kind of see some of these old timers and you

764
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 10: pair them with the modern day three point gun.

765
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: Slingers BUT i give you one, rack reg like the old,

766
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: guys only have to do one, Rack so you get

767
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: to pick your. Spot you, Know padjus will be at

768
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: the top of the. Key you might be in the,

769
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: Corner Steve kerr at the top of the, Key peijia

770
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: on the, wing and you you just stand by you.

771
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 7: We do we just do one. Rock you don't even

772
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 7: have to. Move, No, oh, man sign me. Up what

773
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 7: do you, Think, oh sign me? UP i would do

774
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 7: that in a.

775
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 10: Heartbeat, yes, yes.

776
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Yes Garrick grose got his jersey. Retired uh is he

777
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: going to The hall Of?

778
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 10: FAME i would be surprised if he. Doesn't he will

779
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 10: be the ONLY mvp not to be in The hall Of.

780
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 5: Fame, man if he didn't give me a.

781
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 10: First, BALLOT i doubt he'll be first. Ballot but he'll

782
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 10: get in at some, point but for a six to

783
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 10: eight year stretch he Was him And lebron were battling

784
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 10: for who was the best player in the game and

785
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 10: the YOUNGEST. MVP i would be surprised at some point

786
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 10: he's going to get. In all MVPs get.

787
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: In, man he was a.

788
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 10: Thing He i've said this on numerous occasions WHEN i

789
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 10: first arted on this side of the isle and calling,

790
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 10: GAMES i would. PAY i WOULD i would have paid

791
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 10: to watch him. Play he was so electrifying and his

792
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 10: demeanor because he wasn't one of those cocky kind of,

793
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 10: guys but he exuded confidence and it just permeated because,

794
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 10: he you, know he let the other guys Because Joe

795
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 10: King noah was the guy who was like cocky and

796
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 10: flash he doing all the, talking And loue All dan,

797
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 10: was you, know, quiet kind of like D rose coach

798
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 10: stiffs just had those. Guys oh, MAN i would have

799
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 10: paid money to Watch Derek.

800
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Rose. See he was that.

801
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 5: Electrified but and it's weird to say this.

802
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: That he may mean more To chicago because he was

803
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: local Than Michael. Jordan Like jordan gave you the, titles

804
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: gave me all of, That But Derek rose local one

805
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: of your own and becoming a LEAGUE mvp and you,

806
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: know A hall Of famer born.

807
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 7: And bred at some.

808
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 10: Point that's Why lebron was so loved and then became

809
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 10: so hated because he was born in bred In, ohio

810
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 10: played high school and was obviously drafted by, them and

811
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 10: then they felt betrayal when you know he left and

812
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 10: took his talents To South, beach but made up.

813
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 7: For it by coming back and winning.

814
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 10: Them you, know they're only, championships so you're right when

815
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 10: in terms of pecking, order, Yes Michael, jordan he has

816
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 10: all the, accolades. Fantastic but to, me the two PEOPLE

817
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 10: i will always think about In chicago number One.

818
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 7: Derrick Rose Isaiah thomas.

819
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 10: TOO i mean when you think Of chicago, basketball a

820
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 10: lot of times his.

821
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 7: Name doesn't get.

822
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 10: Mentioned isaiah needs to be mentioned as one of the

823
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 10: Great chicago athletes of all.

824
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: Time are The lakers a? Threat, like what's the threat

825
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: level for them right? Now without making any?

826
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 10: Moves, WELL i think everyone's holding their cards right now

827
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 10: because they want to see what's going to happen With

828
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 10: giannis and what's going to happen With John moran and

829
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 10: some of These Anthony. Davis you, know these are names

830
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 10: that everyone assumes or are going to be. Traded SO

831
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 10: i think The lakers are kind of keeping their cards

832
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 10: close to the.

833
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 7: Vests are the a?

834
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 10: THREAT i, mean When luca's gonna be put up forty

835
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 10: six a, night, yeah they'll always have a puncher's. Chance

836
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 10: if this was a heavyweight, fight, yes they will always

837
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 10: have a puncher's chance because of this playmaking and the

838
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 10: scoring Of luca and having one of the all time

839
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 10: greats In lebron on your.

840
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 7: Team so there's your puncher's.

841
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 10: Chance the problem is when you get locked into a,

842
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 10: series things start to get taken away and things start

843
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 10: to get. Exposed that's where they're going to run into.

844
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: Problems you, Know Rich paul doing his podcast With Max

845
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: kellerman and then, Says, hey If i'm running The, LAKERS

846
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: i Trade Austin reeves AND i try to Get Jaron Jackson.

847
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Junior you can't say that without us reading Into you

848
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: have to have had this conversation with your, Client Lebron james.

849
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 10: Correct, yes, yeah AND i, Look lebron has come out

850
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 10: and said all the right things that he doesn't speak for,

851
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 10: me and that's his he's saying all the right.

852
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: Things but, look they're. Boys that's my. Agent we've, yes

853
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 7: they've had this conversation. Before but if you're Rich, paul

854
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 7: you can't do it.

855
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 10: Because NOW i, look If i'm ar And i'm looking at,

856
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 10: It i'm looking At lebron, like, really this is how

857
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 10: this is how you think of?

858
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 9: Me you?

859
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 10: Know, So i'm sure he's taking this time coming back.

860
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 10: Too having known what he. Said NOW i know he's

861
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 10: supposed to play on This Hopefully i'll play in That

862
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 10: sunday Night Sunday night. Game that would be great for

863
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 10: him to make his. Debut but if you're Rich, paul

864
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 10: you can't do. It you can't say.

865
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: That nick's gonna Trade Karl Anthony.

866
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 7: TOWNS i don't think.

867
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 5: So would you trade?

868
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 7: Him depends on What i'm getting.

869
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 10: BACK i wouldn't because the way the game is played,

870
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 10: today you've got to have bigs that stretched the, floor check, rebound,

871
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 10: check he averages a double. Double he's just got him

872
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 10: And Mike, Brown Jalen. Brunson they've got to figure this.

873
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 10: Out and this is no fault TO. Jb, brunson BUT

874
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 10: i think he Asked he's gonna probably have to bring

875
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 10: help bring catalong here because it's just to night and

876
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 10: day from what we saw just a year, ago twenty

877
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 10: four and Thirteen ALL Nba All star and then just the.

878
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 10: Struggles he's happy this year is just is mind, blowing

879
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 10: AND i Think brusson is going to have to help

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