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Speaker 1: First Day to follow Up powered by the Advocates Injury

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Speaker 1: Attorneys online at advocatesla dot com.

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Speaker 2: Zach is on the phone today for our first Day

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Speaker 2: follow up and he's getting ghosted by Lilah. So in

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Speaker 2: a few minutes we'll call her see if she'll tell

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Speaker 2: us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date.

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Speaker 2: But first, Zach, how long has it been since you

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Speaker 2: heard from Lilah?

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Speaker 3: Like maybe two weeks if it's been a minute.

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Speaker 4: Were you trying to hit her up in that time?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: I did message her like a few times, and they

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Speaker 3: may or may not have sent the memes, but like

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Speaker 3: good ones, like you know, like like funny, like jokey ones,

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Speaker 3: not like desperate memes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, not like memes of somebody crying with a phone

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Speaker 2: call them back like funny.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like some somewhere in between those two.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know how that is going to play out,

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Speaker 4: But let's let's go backwards. Why don't you tell us

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Speaker 4: about the date, Zach? How was it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought the date was fine.

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Speaker 3: I thought everything went well. Basically, it's actually kind of cool.

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Speaker 3: I thought spice it up. First dates usually boring let's

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Speaker 3: do an escape room. So it was fun but like

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Speaker 3: it was low key stressful, you know, like but like teamwork.

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Speaker 3: First date, you know, go big or go home, right,

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Speaker 3: I take big swings, got some drinks. Afterwards, things were

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Speaker 5: We stayed until the bar closed.

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Speaker 3: Like we were just talking and like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: she's so like so she's super smart, like annoyingly smart,

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Speaker 3: like in a good way, like she's funny. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like even though I was nervous, I was laughing, but

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Speaker 3: it was like not just nervous laughing, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. So it ended there was a kiss, not

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Speaker 3: like you know, rom com like in the rain, like

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Speaker 3: whatever moment, like a solid kiss more than a peck,

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Speaker 3: less than a makeout, you know.

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Speaker 5: So like I thought that was good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who kissed who? Or was it mutual?

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Speaker 3: I made the first move, you know, but she leaned

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Speaker 3: in ninety and ten right like dot com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it didn't seem like she was just kissing you

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Speaker 2: because she had to like yeah I've been there, No.

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Speaker 3: Because that's like tech, that's like a peck, right, and

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Speaker 3: then like it's quick, this is more than a pack.

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Speaker 4: Okay, right? All right?

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Speaker 2: And how did you end things with her? Like what

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Speaker 2: did you did she say she wanted to see you again?

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Speaker 2: Anything like that?

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Speaker 3: I mean I didn't specifically say like what are you

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Speaker 3: doing next week? I just was like I agree, yeah,

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Speaker 3: like you know, like I'll call you or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll text you and she's like okay cool.

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Speaker 5: And then that that was That was it.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything that happened on the date that could

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Speaker 4: have thrown it off? Like what went wrong you think?

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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes I can get like competitive when I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, like playing games and stuff. So in escape room,

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Speaker 3: like maybe I was getting to like passionates I guess

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Speaker 3: to be like, hey you have that key, like the things?

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Speaker 4: Did you freak out at all, like like a huge

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Speaker 3: No, we escaped, which was nice. It wasn't one of

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Speaker 3: those like horror ones where like zombies, you if you

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Speaker 3: don't get it. It was just like they escape, you know,

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Speaker 5: A good way.

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Speaker 3: Ok So, I felt like it's possible that maybe I'd

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Speaker 5: Like, oh he grabbed that key and you know, but

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Speaker 5: she was kind of doing the same thing to me,

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Speaker 5: So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So, like be honest with yourself. Was it more like

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Speaker 4: you do it, no, and then I'll do this.

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Speaker 3: I want to say it was playful, but.

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Speaker 5: It might have been orders. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing is, sometimes you can't see yourself. If

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Speaker 3: I was like standing outside myself watching maybe, but I'm

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if that's how it or maybe

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe you threw a look and you weren't

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Speaker 2: like annoyed at her, but you maybe were thinking about something.

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Speaker 4: She's like, oh, wow, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Give me there, I would that would probably not get

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Speaker 1: you another day.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I did that.

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Speaker 4: I don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Cool, all right, man, Well, we'll play a song come back,

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Speaker 2: and then call her and see if she'll tell us

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Speaker 2: why she's ghosting you and maybe get you another date.

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Speaker 5: Okay, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you too. Man, plays song come back, give your

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Speaker 2: first a follow up next if you're just joining us

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Speaker 2: for today's first day follow up. Zach is on the

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Speaker 2: phone and he's getting ghosted by Lilah. So we're about

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Speaker 2: to call her and see if she'll tell us why

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Speaker 2: she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date. But first, Zach,

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Speaker 2: why don't you catch us up on your situation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean she is super gorgeous, super smart. I

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Speaker 3: felt like, okay, let's you know, like, let's go big.

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Speaker 3: And we went to an escape room first date. I

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Speaker 3: it went pretty well. We did kiss, we escaped the room,

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Speaker 3: you want your drinks afterwards, kiss at the end of

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Speaker 5: Ghost things.

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Speaker 3: Since then, I feel like maybe maybe if I had

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Speaker 3: to guess, like, I know, I can get.

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Speaker 5: Competitive, so maybe I was.

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Speaker 3: A little competitive in the escape room. Maybe, you know,

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Speaker 3: she felt like I was too pushy. I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: that could potentially be it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, are you ready for us to call her? Yes?

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Speaker 4: All right, here we go. Hello, Hi, May I speak Tolilah? Please?

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Speaker 3: This is Selila, Hilila.

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Speaker 4: How are you. My name is Jewbel. I'm calling from

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Speaker 4: a radio show. It's called The Jewel Show. Hililah. I'm

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Speaker 4: Nina also on the show. Hi, I'm Victoria.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Hi, so this is Wait, so this is one of

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Speaker 3: those radio shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's one of those. Have you ever

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Speaker 4: listened to the Jubil Show before?

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Speaker 6: I'm sure here and there, I guess I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I usually just kind of listen to

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, hopefully it's us sometimes that'd be cool if

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Speaker 2: you will check it out. But anyway, we do a

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Speaker 2: segment on our show and it's called the First Day

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Speaker 2: follow Up. What that is is if you go on

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Speaker 2: a day with somebody and you end up ghosting them,

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Speaker 2: they can email us to get you on the phone

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Speaker 2: and ask why you're ghosting them. So we actually got

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Speaker 2: an email about you from someone who does have us

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Speaker 5: Okay, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: So so people actually do this? Yeah, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they do actually do this, and you're one

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Speaker 2: of those people right now.

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Speaker 4: How's it feel? Yay? Congrats?

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Speaker 7: Oh I don't know, and wait, what is this about?

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry? What is this about? Again?

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Speaker 4: Well, you went on a day with a guy, named

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Speaker 4: Zach recently.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Zach said he really liked you, but he hasn't heard

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Speaker 2: and he's wondering if you wouldn't mind telling us why

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Speaker 2: you're ghosting him.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm ghosting him because he's a liar.

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Speaker 4: Oh, liar, what is he lying about?

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Speaker 3: You know? Well?

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Speaker 7: I mean I thought the date was fun and cute,

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Speaker 7: but after the date, I just realized that I can't

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Speaker 3: He says. Okay, hold up, what can't you What can't

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Speaker 3: you trust? What I said? I that was a lie

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Speaker 4: He's actually on the phone listening and wants to talk

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Speaker 6: And oh my god, hi liar, because we were in

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Speaker 6: to me like, that's like, that's not okay.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the fact that he came up with

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Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I can't put it past him and that fast,

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Speaker 2: Was so fast as a good liar myself, she probably

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the self awareness.

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Speaker 7: And for something so small as to like get free

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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, hold up, I got the clues right.

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Speaker 3: We needed to get out of the escape room, right,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm competitive. That's not I wasn't lying. I didn't

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Speaker 5: Like something, I don't understand that I'm not lying.

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Speaker 3: I'm confused.

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Speaker 7: Okay, but that's what a liar would say.

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Speaker 3: Well, we got out of the escape room, didn't we, Like,

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Speaker 8: I mean yeah, but yeah, but at what costs? I mean,

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Speaker 8: here we are Okay, what don't what do you consider

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Speaker 8: a lie? If I'm a liar, then you're a liar

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Speaker 8: because you have brown hair.

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Speaker 3: What is that supposed to mean? Because on your dating

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Speaker 5: Have blonde hair, So I guess you're a liar.

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Speaker 3: Saying that you have.

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Speaker 5: One colored hair and you don't.

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Speaker 7: Okay, that's not even close to the same thing, But

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Speaker 7: that's however you want to feel.

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Speaker 5: It's fine. Whatever liar.

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Speaker 3: Hold each other names all day doesn't mean it's real Lila,

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Speaker 3: would you like to.

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Speaker 4: Go on another date? Was that will pay for it?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: I just don't really think I can trust him to

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Speaker 5: But was that a lie?

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Speaker 3: So you really mean you do want to go on it?

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Speaker 7: Look, I'm sorry, you're clearly triggered, but like you did lie,

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Speaker 7: you lied, and you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: What you're referring to was what I think you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: That is not lying just by omitting the truth is

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Speaker 3: not a lot like it's just.

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Speaker 5: Omitting the truth is a lie? Keeping the truth from

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Speaker 5: someone has a lie. That is how a lie is defined.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just supposed to say everything that I know

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Speaker 3: in the entire world, every person that I know, to

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Speaker 3: make sure that I'm not lying by not saying everything

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Speaker 3: in the world just because I happen to know a

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Speaker 3: lot about that last name, Like I could be that

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Speaker 3: guy's uncle. Like who's to say, you don't know, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: Well, Zach, I'm sorry, No second, who's that guy?

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Speaker 5: That could be the truth?

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Speaker 3: Like true like ancestors that common and whatnot, Like that

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Speaker 3: could be the truth. You don't know. I'm thinking you

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Speaker 3: don't know either.

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Speaker 5: So like a lie that you know everything. Okay, but

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Speaker 5: then she said, like it was supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: No liar, you're lying, you're lying round, You're liar.

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Speaker 4: Nobles. First date fall