1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Gotta take care of the football, gotta stop the run. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: The Cardinals did neither on Sunday, and they paid the price. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvic joins. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Me about this. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: We were both in La and watch the Cardinals lose 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: the Rams twenty six to nine. Paul's vantage point, though, 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: was just a little bit better than mine. Okay, a 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: lot better. Let's discuss what happened, or better said, what 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: didn't happen. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six't eighty six 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Buda Baker, What Heart? 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: What rent? 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: This guy's unbelievable. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: dot com Slash podcasts. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: He's a a ten half of five? He's it again 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: so far Harry Magic. 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: Whoa Here's I agree aloud? 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Got a new appreciation for what my co host here 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: endures on the road, especially at SOFI Stadium. Paul my 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: ears they are still ringing. That has to be the 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: loudest sound system in the league. 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: Greg. 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: Remember if it's too loud. You're too old, Okay, so 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: fair enough. It's more you and me. I still have 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 4: a headache. Yeah, that guy is obnoxious. It's the whole 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: volume eleven thing, you know. It just I don't know 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: what it is. It's an LA thing, I believe because 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 4: the PA guy was off the hook in breaking the 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: sound barrier during the Dback's Dodgers Series two. So I 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: don't know if somehow in LA, if you can't have 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: the pyrotechnics, then you know, you do the audio visual 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: we get at LA, your Hollywood. Everything goes through you. 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: But please just back off the volume a little bit. 37 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: It's one thing when it's crowd noise and it's genuine, 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: like this going to Seattle, at least allegedly it's genuine. 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 4: We don't really believe that the Seahawks take the crowd 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: noise through open mics and then amplify it back through 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: the speaker system and send it back down on top 42 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 4: of everyone in the stadium. 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: We would never allege such criminal activity. But the whole 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: thing with us so far, and then they have speakers 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: behind the benches, which I thought was out lawed, honestly, 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 4: because the only other time Craig, And I've said this 48 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: that I've ever encountered that sort of volume at an 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: NFL game was the ninety eight playoffs. After the Cardinals 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: beat Dallas went to Minnesota the old Metrodome, and it's 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: like they had Metallica amps behind the visitors bench and 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: everyone was hard at hearing on the flight home, along 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: with frostbitten from like twelve below that game. But that's 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: neither here nor there. That was a good twenty five 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 4: years ago. But you're right, you're right that the volume 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: is well, it's a memorable experience. 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: Let's leave it at that. 58 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: It began during the Arizona Cardinals NFL kickoff show. It 59 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: continued during the pregame huddle, of which you are the 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: host for two hours. So again, two hours of pre 61 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: game three plus hours of actual game action. At least 62 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: for the first half. I was able to watch the 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: game from inside the press box, which drowned out a 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: lot of the noise. But yeah, the entire Cardinals organization 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: flown to Sunday's game by our owner Michael Bidwell. A 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: good time had by all well until the second half begin. 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: And that was a double ding. 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: It was great to see two planes out there to 69 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 4: see all the employees along for the ride, to experience 70 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: a road game. You know what a fantastic experience like 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: first hand. That's what America is all about, right if 72 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: you believe the economic news. Nobody's buying goods anymore. That 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: was such a COVID thing. Now everyone's into experiences. So 74 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 4: the staff got a great experience what it's like to 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: be embedded with a team on a road trip. So 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: really cool from all those angles. But what was amazing 77 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: to is for all the noise in that building, the 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 4: Cardinals postgame locker room was about as quiet as I 79 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: remember in a long time. It was really really a 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: sobering scene in there after the second half, and rightfully so, 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: because you dominated the first half and then everything changed twenty. 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Six to nine the final. Cardinals had a nine to 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: six lead at halftime, left a bunch of points on 84 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: the board in the first half, but then in the 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: second half it was a different Rams team that came 86 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: out of the locker room. Matthew Stafford threw the ball 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: a ton has all season long, and that was the 88 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: mo in the first half for whatever reason, and I'm 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: not exactly sure, because the Rams aren't known to run 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the football. They have the twenty second best rushing attack 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: in the league going into Week six, yet you wouldn't 92 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: know it because they had five rushing yards in the 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: first half five They finished with one hundred and seventy nine. 94 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: Paul, it was it was something to behold. I mean, 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: you talk about halftime adjustment, right, that was the mother 96 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: of all flipping the scripts. So nine of the first 97 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: ten plays passes for the Rams when the game started. 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: When the second half started, nine of the first ten 99 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: plays were runs if you count the scrambled by Matthew Stafford. 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: So all right, and. 101 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: I'm guessing, just in hindsight that Sean McVeagh at halftime 102 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: was saying, you know what, that chaotic front seven that 103 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 4: Nick Rols and Jonathan Gannon are presenting, we're having a 104 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: tough time with that. Plus what did we know going 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: into the game. What did Jonathan Gannon tell us on 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: his weekly TV show? We need to quote take the 107 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: air out of the coverages, which I think we all 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 4: translated as no more big cushion like you gave Jamar Chase, 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: like you gave Bengals receivers. We're gonna get in their face. 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: We're gonna be aggressive. We're gonna contest those catches. So 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: a number of the dB said going into the Rams game, 112 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: it worked. It really worked because that Rams offense going 113 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: in was not just a pass first offense. To your point, 114 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: it was passed first, second, and third. And so now 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: they come out they're like, okay, what can we do. 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: We're having a hard time figuring out who's coming, who's 117 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: dropping the chaotic front seven. At one point they actually 118 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: had to call a time out because what's that's going 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 4: on here, Let's burn a time out. It's a third down. 120 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: Make sure we get this right. So now all of 121 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 4: a sudden, what remedies all that? Let's put the plow 122 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: down and just go with a straight ahead nor south 123 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: run game. A lot of the crack toss, at least 124 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: that's what Jonathan Ledbetter said after the game. They're getting 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: a lot of cracked toss. And kyn Wilms got in 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: a rhythm, he got in a groove. And whether there 127 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 4: was still a light box because the Cardinals were defending 128 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: pass first, that'd be another big reason I think why 129 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: it was successful and maybe a reason why Jonathan Gannon 130 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: after the game said, we have to adjust quicker, was 131 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 4: there still a light box that contributed to all those 132 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: rushing yards in the second half the Rams' first three 133 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: possessions in that second half, sixty two rushing yards led 134 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 4: to a touchdown, forty five rushing yards led to a 135 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: field goal, fifty five rushing yards led to a touchdown. 136 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: So the lack of adjustment to the adjustment that what 137 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: the Rams were showing in the first half different than 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: the second half, and as agitated and as upset as 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: Gannon was the previous week after the Bengals game when 140 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: Jamar Chase lit up that secondary for almost two hundred 141 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 4: receiving yards. That was to your point about describing the 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 4: locker room and how quiet it was, Gannon looked almost resigned. 143 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: It just he was defeated literally on the field. Obviously 144 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: you're outscored twenty to nothing in the second half, But 145 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: then walking in to answer the questions that I don't 146 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: know if he really had any answers to immediately after 147 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: the ballgame, And we talked about this after the game 148 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: in the postgame wrap, Dave Paschron willfully and myself and 149 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: you know, Pash brought up I think a relevant point 150 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 4: in that at some point it comes down to the 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: players and the players only. So the Cardinals have had 152 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: a lot of fast starts. I think every single gay 153 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: well saved to the last two. Before this one they 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: didn't get off to the fastest start, but the first 155 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 4: three and then this one they got off to fast starts. 156 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: You can see the coaching, you can see the skin, 157 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: you can see the Cardinals have the upper hand. But 158 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: at some point the talent level takes over. And if 159 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: you're trying to understand, for example, the second half of 160 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: the last three games, you've lost fifty one to twelve. 161 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: Ever since the Dallas win, or the stat of the year, 162 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 4: that fourth quarter disparity sixty four to seven. At one point, 163 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: does the talent gap plus all the injuries just result 164 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: in attrition, just compile upon itself and then take its 165 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: ultimate toll in the second half, in the fourth quarter. 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: So when you're trying to stop the run, you're missing 167 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 4: two of the best tackling safeties in the NFL, and 168 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: Bud A. Baker and Jalen Thompson, and there they are in 169 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 4: sweats on the sideline. Yeah, it's frustrating, isn't it. It's 170 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: really frustrating when you're still without two or three of 171 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 4: your top defensive linemen. When you have corners out there 172 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: against Cooper Cup, the twenty twenty one NFL Defensive Player 173 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 4: of the Year, and you have six round rookies or 174 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: undrafted rookies out there in coverage, There's only so much 175 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: you can scheme up. There's only so much help you 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 4: can put over the top against Cooper Cup, because Matthew 177 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: Stafford is a master coming to the line of scrimmage, 178 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: figuring out where he has the matchup or where they 179 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 4: should run the ball and checking into that immediately. And 180 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: then you saw what happened. 181 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: And Cooper Cup still was able to get his seven 182 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: catches one hundred and forty eight yards, but it was 183 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: the lack of stopping the run something Gannon talked about. 184 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: He also did mention that, yeah, starts with the coaching, 185 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: but he believes in the players in the locker room, 186 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: and I buy all that. But to your point, Paul, 187 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: at some point you just run out of bodies. First 188 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: of all, Antonio Hamilton gets hurt in the second half, 189 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: forcing you to play Starling Thomas his first defensive snaps 190 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: all season long. And here is a rookie claimed off 191 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: waivers from the Lions. Who yeah, is still learning the system. 192 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Key Troll Clark as excited as we were at his 193 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: beginning of his NFL career, he is now has tape, 194 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: and when you have tape as a youngster, there are tendencies. 195 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: And these opposing coaches are figuring out what Key Troll 196 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Clark does well and what he does not do well. 197 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: And it looked like he peeked into the backfield a 198 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: little bit on that initial Cooper Cup touchdown. 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: And what does Antonio Hamilton do real well tackling right, 200 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: big body, he's real good and run forced, so he's 201 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 4: out of the game. That obviously didn't help with the 202 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: Cardinals tackling. But then Jonathan Gannon said something else after 203 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: the game. When they punch us, we have to punch 204 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: back a little bit, all right, So at what point 205 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: does both sides of the ball feed off each other? 206 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: Right? 207 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: Complimentary football, We are it. 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: All the time. 209 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: Well, if the offense is missing a pair of deep 210 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 4: shots to marquise Hollywood Brown, not only not only does 211 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 4: that take the wins out of the sales of Hollywood Brown, 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: but even the defense. Right, we're out there and you're like, man, 213 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 4: we're just that close we missed, So what should have 214 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: been touchdowns ended up being field goals. You're zero for 215 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: three in the red zone, or even worse, he had 216 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: a pick in the red zone. And at what point, 217 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, does the defense feel 218 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: demoralized based on the inability in the second half to 219 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 4: stop Matthew Stafford in that Rams run game in Cooper Cup. 220 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: But then when your offense is failing to capitalize on chances, 221 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: when your offense wins those matchups and doesn't cash it in, 222 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: you work all week for that opportunity where you can 223 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: get a Hollywood Brown a step or two behind the secondary. 224 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: And that's the third time in two games if you 225 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 4: count the first quarter miss on the go route against 226 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 4: the Bengals. Now they came back on the twenty five 227 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: yarder and a touchdown against the Bengals and then two 228 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: more against the Rams. 229 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: So that's tough. 230 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: I mean, that's a And on the sideline, Hollywood Brown 231 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 4: and Josh Dobbs they had a long talk and actually 232 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon came over and joined it, so the three 233 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: of them they talked about it. And I'm guessing it's 234 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: gonna be a big point of emphasis in practice going into. 235 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: Seattle, Hollywood postgame quote, we have to practice better so 236 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: we can hit those in the game, because I definitely 237 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: felt like in that matchup, I was winning my one 238 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: on ones end quote. 239 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: And it was true. 240 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: Was unbelievable because cause two big misses. A pass that 241 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: was just a little bit underthrown allowing the dB to 242 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: come over and break it up would have been a touchdown. 243 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: And then that fourth down pass play Brown was open, 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: but the throw led him out of bounds. He makes 245 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: the catch and it doesn't matter because you're out of 246 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: the field of play and you turn it over on down. 247 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: Just like the opponents are looking at the Cardinals secondary 248 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: and saying, okay, wait a minute, you got a sixth 249 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 4: round rookie out there. You're playing some backups. Cardinals looked 250 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: at the Rams secondary and said, two of your top 251 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 4: three corners were Day three draft picks this past April. 252 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: You had a fourth round rookie, You got a sixth 253 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: round rookie out there, you had a journeyman and a 254 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 4: Kello Witherspoon. That secondary was imminently beatable for the Rams. 255 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: The Cardinals receivers, i think, went into that game really 256 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 4: confident they could make some play, some big plays deep 257 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 4: down the field, and the opportunities were there. So yes, 258 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: it is frustrating, There's no doubt about it. And what's 259 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: frustrating too, is that a Josh Dobbs has the ability 260 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: on that twenty five yard touchdown past de Marquis Holowood 261 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 4: Brown against Cincinnati to put it right on the money, 262 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 4: drop it right in the bucket. We've seen some balls, 263 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: beautiful balls that have been right there. But then, for example, 264 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: on the zach Ertz interception, I mean, that was so 265 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: far behind Urtz that it makes you wonder considering that 266 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: the Rams, because I talked about this with Wolf after 267 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 4: the game. You know, are we sure that zach Ertz 268 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to settle down in the zone right there? 269 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: It was so far behind him? And the Rams are 270 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 4: known for playing almost primarily zone coverage. At times they 271 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: do go man. So did Dobbs see that there was 272 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: he was running into a safety and he expected zach 273 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: Ertz to hit the brakes? 274 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: Perhaps? I don't know. I'd love to get an answer 275 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: to that question. 276 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: And that's something that in real time you're like, oh, 277 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: that's a bad throw, well behind the intended receiver. So 278 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: that falls on the quarterback. And then obviously what we've 279 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: learned from Dobbs is he's going to accept responsibility postgame. Yet, 280 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: what have we learned in the past, whether it's Kurt Warner, 281 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, even our former and current college group Stanton like, no, 282 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: we take the slings and arrows, but we expect to 283 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: your point, maybe the wide receiver tied end to read 284 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: the defense. What I'm reading and now of is all 285 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: this nonverbal communication. I believe what you believe, and I 286 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: believe that's what you're thinking. You're believing, and you expect 287 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: to stop, to sit down, a little bit shorter of 288 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: a route or not as much of a bend in 289 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: the route running, and then you have what we had 290 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: happened then that was a red zone turnout. 291 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: I think everyone would be surprised how often that after 292 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: an incompletion, especially a key third down where you can't 293 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: you don't connect with the receiver, when the quarterback and 294 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: receiver come back to the sideline and maybe they're met 295 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: by the OC and they all have a conversation, and 296 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: it's amazing how many times a quarterback will be making 297 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: motions with his hands like you know you should have 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: gone here, he should have been there, And it does 299 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: make you wonder, Okay, how many of those are on 300 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: the receivers. How many of those are read routes where 301 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: the receiver blew the read where he didn't translate the 302 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: coverage correctly to be in the right spot. 303 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: At the right time. 304 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: Because in the NFL, it's all about syncing up and 305 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 4: that timing and so you know. And then again I 306 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: asked Trey McBride after the game, I said, let's be honest, 307 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: if you would have had Josh does for an entire offseason, 308 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: how much farther along would this pass game be? How 309 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: much more chemistry would there be between Josh Dobbs and 310 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: his receivers. And you know, he sort of paused, he 311 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: wasn't gonna They're not making any excuses. They're not using 312 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 4: the fact that the Cardinals had to trade for Josh 313 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: Dobbs at the end of training camp, at the end 314 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: of preseason, and he had what six practices going into 315 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: the season opener. They're not using that as an excuse. 316 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: But you can't tell me that hasn't put everybody behind 317 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: the curve and a key moments in games when the 318 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: defenses they they especially when defense has present something that 319 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: the Cardinals had never seen before, and it's gonna happen 320 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: all the time. It happens especially in September and October 321 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: before there's extensive tape, you know. And so that's I 322 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: think where the Cardinals have a liability because of just 323 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: the situation. 324 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Dobbs has played six weeks of football as opposed to 325 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: having six months of football with this coaching staff, with 326 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: his teammates in this offensive scheme, though, and a full disclosure, 327 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: did not hear it. Jody Jackson was filling in on 328 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: Cardinal talk as I was in Los Angeles. But I 329 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: can almost guess what some of the postgame conversation was 330 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: about because I heard a little bit of it amongst 331 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: the people in the stands. Has Josh Dobbs reached his ceiling? 332 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Is this what Dobbs is as a quarterback, regardless of 333 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: how much time he's had or has not and is 334 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: potentially now? And I do not believe this, but I'll 335 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: throw it out there. Is it time to see what 336 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you have in Clayton tune? Knowing that at some point, 337 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: maybe this week, we get the news that Kyler Murray 338 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: will be have that practice window open, and when that 339 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: practice window opens, it's going to be at least two 340 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: weeks of practice before you see him on the football field. 341 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: Do you want to get a look at the rookie 342 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: to Houston for a game or two before Kyler Murray 343 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: comes back? Now, again, I disagree with that, but I 344 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: understand the sentiment and why people would bring that up. 345 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 4: Okay, let's not bury the lead here. What are you 346 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: saying about Kyler Murray? You had me at Kyler Murray. 347 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 4: Are you saying that you expect the practice window to 348 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: open this week? 349 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting anything, but we are entering week three 350 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: of him being eligible to be on that practice field, 351 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: and is this now the time? I look, I have 352 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: no inside knowledge. Yes, I'm inside the Dignity Health Arizona 353 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: Cardinals training Center, but that leaves me just inside the 354 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: buility and I have no inside knowledge. I continuously see 355 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Kyler working on the field with strengthen conditioning coach Buddy 356 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Moores while his teammates are in the bubble or out 357 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: on the practice field. But I think people are getting 358 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: a little antsy, wanting to see Number one sooner, a 359 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: lot sooner than waiting. 360 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 4: And look when it's the open portion of practice and 361 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 4: what the media is able to see. You do see 362 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: Kyler working, but you also see just straight ahead running, correct, 363 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: So we have no idea exactly. 364 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: I decide and what exactly he's able to do and 365 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: not do your. 366 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: Right So it's still a total unknown. However, I will 367 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: ask this. What I do best is I asked the 368 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 4: dumb guy question. He can be eligible to be activated 369 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: the rest of this season? Oh yeah, correct, I mean 370 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 4: every single week through Week eighteen, he can be quote eligible. 371 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 4: So it's just so we're all left guessing exactly when 372 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 4: that's going to happen. As for Clayton Tune, I had 373 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 4: that question Dona Machet, the coach, was there any consideration 374 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: to going with Clayton Tune in the fourth quarter and 375 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: or in the near future. I decided against it. I 376 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: didn't think it was really the time at that point. 377 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 4: It was just too raw the emotions after the loss 378 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: of the Rams, And honestly, when you think about it, 379 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 4: do you want Clayton Tune to make his NFL debut 380 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: at Seattle in that environment? 381 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: And that's the other key. It's one thing to bring 382 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: these scenarios and questions up and then you start looking 383 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: at like, okay, where are we on this schedule? 384 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: And I was. 385 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Never a fan of Clayton Tune starting this season or 386 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: even playing initially. He's just not ready and you want 387 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: to throw him out in front of the twelves. I 388 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: mean that's just again, I've not been in that stadium. 389 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: I've heard enough about it. And again, that's a Seattle 390 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: team that is hungry and despite what happened on Sunday 391 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: of their own issues, they're looking for war competition and 392 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: maybe even since the forty nine ers lost, pushing San 393 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Francisco within the top of the NFC West. But now 394 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: that would not be what they say, a soft landing 395 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: spot by rookie to make his NFL start. 396 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: Now, if you're telling me the Cardinals have failed to 397 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: get into the end zone and you're nearing the end 398 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 4: of the third quarter and you're down two scores and 399 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 4: you need a spark, I don't see anything wrong with 400 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: putting Clayton Tune in that situation. I really don't, because 401 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: you can still go back to Josh Dobbs as your starter. 402 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 4: But if you want to put Clayton Tune in after 403 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 4: or the offense is struggling, on the road, and the 404 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: Seahawks might have a big lead, and at that point 405 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 4: the Twelves are so far under all their double IPAs 406 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 4: up in the stands that they've basically just fallen over 407 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: ahead for the parking lots already. Then you know, maybe 408 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 4: you throw them out there. I'm not exactly sure. But 409 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: as for Josh Dobbs, I think the question isn't necessarily 410 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: has he hit his ceiling? My question would be, now 411 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 4: that you have film out there, over a month and 412 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 4: a half worth of film, have defenses adjusted Our defense 413 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: is doing anything differently Like any player in any sport, 414 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 4: once there's film out there on you, you have to adjust. 415 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: Whether you're a hitter in baseball, whether you're a big 416 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: time scorer in basketball. They might take away your left 417 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: hand or something like that. Mean, when there's film on 418 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: you and you have these coaching staffs and they start 419 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: studying your weaknesses and where you struggle. So I'm curious 420 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 4: if defenses now have adjusted accordingly and to what you 421 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 4: said earlier. Not only do coaches in ski teams have 422 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 4: to adjust to the adjustment, well, players have to adjust 423 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 4: to the adjustment, if any, based on what is they 424 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 4: have seen. The last couple of weeks, because obviously it's 425 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: been diminished performance and numbers from Josh Doabs based on 426 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: what we saw the first. 427 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: Month oh the past two games, two interceptions, three loss fumbles, 428 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: and a completion percentage of just over forty nine percent. Now, 429 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: these past two games, they've been throwing the ball much 430 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: more because they've been trailing in the second half. But 431 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: in the first half you've seen this offense move up 432 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: and down. But to your point, those coaches, either on 433 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: the sidelines or up in the booth, are they seeing 434 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: something and all of a sudden you're getting these I 435 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: don't like to call them halftime adjustments because coaches will 436 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: tell you if you wait until halftime, you've waited too long. 437 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: So you're always adjusting. But going back to your point 438 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: earlier in the show about the talent or lack thereof, 439 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: eventually talent wins out do the Cardinals have just enough talent, 440 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: regardless of who the quarterback is, to get to these 441 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: early leads, place wrong in the first half, but just 442 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: not be able to finish. Gannon postgame talked about consistency. 443 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: Ledbetter talked about consistently playing a full sixty minutes on 444 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: offense and defense just haven't seen that a whole heck 445 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: of a lot this year. 446 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: What's amazing is the running ability from Josh Dopps. I 447 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 4: think has taken everybody by surprise just how effective he 448 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: is as a running quarterback. 449 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: First off, that locker. 450 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: Room is shocked at how fast he is because he 451 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: didn't show it in practice when he first showed up. 452 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 4: I've had several offensive lineman tell you the first couple 453 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: of games he would break the pocket. They're like no, no, no, no, no, 454 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: stop it. And then they're like, oh man, he can 455 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: really run. Even some of the receivers and skill guys 456 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: are like, no, he can run. And we saw it 457 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 4: obviously against the Rams. He had the twenty four yarder. 458 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 4: He had the twenty yarder. So if he can just 459 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 4: restore his completion percentage a little bit, he really does 460 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: present headaches and problems for a defense if if he 461 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 4: can keep honest with the pass, because we know he's 462 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: keeping him honest with his legs. Here's what ire I 463 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 4: throw out. This is the point in the podcast where 464 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 4: we go with the hot take. Okay, you're ready for this, yeh, 465 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 4: that's right, Craig take a big deep drink of that 466 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 4: cold water you have over there, okay, and try and 467 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: call the headache aft from the PA guy in La. 468 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: There's a Cardinal's Folk Tales that is posted right now 469 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 4: and it documents the renaissance of Kurt Warner. And in 470 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: the first year of Ken Wizenna two thousand and seven, 471 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: there was a road game, Week three at Baltimore, and 472 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Kurt Warner checked into the game 473 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 4: in what was a special package where he came in 474 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: and he ran the no huddle and then he end 475 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: up fishing in that game in the fourth quarter, and 476 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 4: he almost brought the Cardinals all the way back from 477 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 4: the dead in that game. What would you think about 478 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 4: a scenario until the return of Kyler Murray that featured 479 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 4: both Clayton tune and a Josh Dobbs Because Josh Dobbs 480 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 4: in a running quarterback package of sorts scheme, you know, 481 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 4: we've seen to be very effective and it really gives 482 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 4: a defense a lot to think about, especially if you 483 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: had more of a pocket oriented quarterback in a Clayton tone. 484 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 4: I'm just throwing that out there, you know. Okay, how 485 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 4: do you present something that a defense hasn't seen before 486 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: how do you give an injury riddled roster that's hit 487 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: the reset button. Doesn't have as much talent as some 488 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 4: of these other teams, So you're going in, you're looking 489 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: for your own competitive advantage. Maybe just maybe a two 490 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 4: quarterback system to some degree, or do I need to 491 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 4: take the rest of the day off. I don't know 492 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: about the rest of the day, but here's my car keys. 493 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 4: The scenario that you painted Liner and Warner I think 494 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 4: much different than Dobbs and Tune because we've yet to 495 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 4: see what Tune is capable of doing. 496 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: Good or bad. True, Now, what you were leaning towards 497 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: I thought was maybe hey, come out and a no huddle, 498 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: hurry up offense. Is that something to change it up 499 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: a little bit for this offensive team. Is that something 500 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Dobbs is capable of doing. We've seen it briefly, But 501 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: the main focus of this offense where it's been most 502 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: successful is the running game, setting up the passing game, 503 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: the play action. How much better this offense looks when 504 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: you have both complementing each other, and it's just left 505 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: this team too many times in the second half. 506 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 4: And that's the other question I wanted to ask Jonathan A. 507 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: Inn after the game. But then I thought against it 508 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 4: because I'm like, well, he hasn't really watched the film. 509 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: I don't know how much you can truly discern from 510 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 4: the sideline. But the question goes something like this, minus 511 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 4: James Connor, was the play action as effective? Meaning did 512 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: the Rams defense respect and react to the play action 513 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 4: as much as it did when you had James Connor 514 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: out There are two time Pro Bowl running back averaging 515 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 4: better than five yards of carry, top five of most 516 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: rushing metrics across the league. Or is the play action 517 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: game less effective just because you don't have number six 518 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: out there. That's a key question that I'm actually writing 519 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: down right now, and maybe we'll be able to that 520 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: into his TV show this week. 521 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: I do think the offense is going to perform differently 522 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: without James Connor. I'll say this, I thought the run 523 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: game minus number six was actually pretty darn good. On 524 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: hungry thirty rushing yards, I mean, Keyanta Ingram Damien Williams 525 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: combined for seventy six yards. Those two combine average better 526 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: than four yards to carry. 527 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: Our first look at. 528 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: Williams in a Cardinals uniform, I thought he was very 529 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: patient hit The holes created holes when there were no holes. 530 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: It was interesting though, looking at the snapcounts because it 531 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: was a true running back by committee. Imari deMercado played 532 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: the most snaps thirty three, but he had the fewest 533 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: touches of the three running backs. He just had three 534 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: and two carries. So that is more of a need 535 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: that third down back pass protection, you're throwing the ball more. 536 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: Who was a better blocker in the backfield, and that 537 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: would be Imari, but Ingram and Williams. Look, it's going 538 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: to be different. But to your point, do now opposing 539 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: teams when you don't have a James Connor's Okay, maybe 540 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: we're not as focused in or if they do hit 541 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: a couple of runs, can they do it consistently? And 542 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think an Ingram and Williams right now can 543 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: play that part of a James Connor on a consistent 544 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: not just within the game, but maybe week in and 545 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: week out. 546 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things. 547 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: So Mari demur cut of the fact he is the 548 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 4: third down back. They obviously trust him in pass protection 549 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 4: and the ability as a rookie and undrafted rookie to 550 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 4: be able to read the different blitz schemes and to 551 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: be reliable not to blow a blitz pick up because 552 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 4: that obviously can get your quarterback killed and or injured. 553 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 4: So that's impressive actually that you know, once again, not 554 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: the biggest guy that he is in that role number two. 555 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 4: And you'll never get a real answer this, it's impossible 556 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: to truly discern an answer. But you know, the defense, 557 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: the entire team feeds off of James Connor just sort 558 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: of his own beast mode speaking of going to Seattle, right, 559 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 4: he's just that guy and and that physicality when he's 560 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 4: feeding it to defenders and he's trucking dudes. Now, there 561 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: was a lot to like with cant Ingram and Damian Williams. 562 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: They yeah, there were some physical runs. There were times 563 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 4: where they got stopped or hitting the backfield and they 564 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 4: weren't going down on first contact. But nobody's going to 565 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: replicate the sort of game and mentality and mindset that 566 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: you James Connor brings. So was that in some ways 567 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: something that brought the team down? Because when when Jonathan 568 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: Gannon in the postgame says, yeah, we need to pick 569 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: up our feelings a little bit and get back to work, 570 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: how do we translate that from coach to English right 571 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: down on yourself and just yeah, I mean so once 572 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: Cardinals got down in that second half, you have to believe, 573 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: you know, you have to believe that you have the 574 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: weapons in the dudes to be able to get it done. 575 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: Before you can ever mount a comeback, you better believe 576 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: you can come back. And over the years, when you've 577 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 4: been in between a Kurt Owner, Carson Palmer, a Carson 578 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: Palmer and a Kyler Murray when you don't have that 579 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: franchise quarterback, We've all seen games where the teams have 580 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: been like, all right, we're down two scores. Degree of 581 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 4: difficulty is gonna be really tough now, boys, And then 582 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, some of that intensity, energy and urgency, 583 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: even if it's not annoying, it's not again he's deciding 584 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: to go out there and not bring the same level 585 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 4: of intensity. But it's just sort of is human nature 586 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: and can happen. 587 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: All some good news, Buddha Baker is eligible to come 588 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: off IR this week. I mean, I tease Kyler Murray 589 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: earlier in the show, but Buddha is certainly someone that 590 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: I fully expect to come off IR this week, just 591 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: based off how he was moving around in the locker 592 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: room smile on his face, and obviously Washington's big win 593 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: over Oregon on Saturday. My guess is you'll see number 594 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: three on the practice field this week. Jalen Thompson, who 595 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: missed Sunday's game, is he able to play this week 596 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: with that hamstring injury. Now that's doesn't solve everything on 597 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: the offense. But to your point about and Gannon's post 598 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: games comments about picking ourselves up, well, there's no one 599 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: better at picking up an entire unit or an entire 600 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: team than Buddha Baker. 601 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: I mean, do you feel better about your chances to 602 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 4: win when Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson in the lineup 603 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: show a hands? 604 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: Yes? It's resounding. 605 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 4: And going back to Seattle, absolutely, some of the most 606 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: epic games of his career have happened in Seattle. It 607 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: was a couple of years ago he knocked out two 608 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: running backs. I mean, you know, he's flying around like 609 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: a surfaced air missile, so he is something of a 610 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: hold every time he goes back to Seattle. There's no 611 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: doubt this is the one game every year he circles 612 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: more than any other, is going back to where he 613 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: grew up. He was in college, he was training with 614 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and all those guys. So 615 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: this holds a very special place for him. And to 616 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 4: your point, yes, it could be a huge boost and 617 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 4: bolster this team on and off the field, both physically 618 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: and mentally. 619 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: I think before we close. 620 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: Up shop here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hundai, 621 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: proudly partner of the Arizona Cardinals, I do have another 622 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: shout out. We began one with a shout out to 623 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: owner Michael Bidwell and the entire Cardinals organization in LA 624 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: for that Cardinals lost to the Rams. But there is 625 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: a shout out. But first things first before a final shoutout, 626 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: we await in anticipation, Paul Okay, the Angry Bird Award 627 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: winner for Week six. 628 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 4: So who do you think should be the candidates under consideration, Craig, 629 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 4: I mean, who would be your candidate pool after this game? 630 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: Candidate pool based off some of the wet's see the 631 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: reasoning behind why you select certain players. Damian Williams would 632 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: be one on offense, just coming in and Trey McBride 633 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: showing up first tight end other than zach Ertz to 634 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: play the most snaps among the tight end positions, So 635 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: those would be two names off the top of my head. 636 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: How about a Kaiser White who basically leveled Matthew Stafford 637 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: with that said back in the first half when the 638 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: defense was affecting the. 639 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 4: Quarterback, no doubt. And those are all good choices. 640 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Of course I'm wrong. 641 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Yeah, for you, you're not correct. They are runner ups two. 642 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: This week's Angry Bird Award winner given to the most 643 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: salacious play or player. And you're like, Calvic this the 644 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 4: antithesis would be the kicker, and you'd be wrong. Matt 645 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 4: Prater gets the stinking Angry Bird Award this week for 646 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: what he's been able to do, just to nail the 647 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 4: fifty five yarder, to be three for three, to be 648 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: so reliable, to be the all time leader in fifty 649 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: plus fuel goals, and it's not even close at this point. 650 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 4: I'm telling you, we got the trade deadline coming up. 651 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: You saw the forty nine ers lose a game with 652 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 4: a rookie kicker. You saw some other really suspect kicking. 653 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 4: If you're a contender, I would be calling Manti asin 654 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 4: fort and I would be asking about the availability of 655 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: a Matt Prater no joke, because there's nothing worse, nothing 656 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: worse than have a really talented playoff caliber, a even 657 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 4: super Bowl legit aspirations type team, and then your kicker, 658 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 4: the pencilneck guy, ruins it with a bad playoff performance. 659 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: Matt Prader has been there, he has done that. He's 660 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: at the top of his game and nearly the age 661 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 4: of forty. And you know what, I think this is 662 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 4: a first for a guy who has won the NFC 663 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 4: Special Teams Player of the Week Award fifteen times now, 664 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 4: I believe is what it was. In fact, I mentioned 665 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 4: it to him in the locker room a few hours 666 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 4: after he had won it, and he just shrugged it off. He's, oh, 667 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: you know what that means. It means you're hold and 668 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 4: he kept walking. Well, Matt, let's give you something a 669 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 4: little bit different. So, by the power not vested to me, 670 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 4: we present you with the Angry Bird Award Week six, 671 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 4: fifty five yarder. And as much as I left seeing 672 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: Matt Prader on the football field, I'm not a fan 673 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 4: of the thirty three Well, actually it was a thirty 674 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 4: two and a twenty seven yard field goals. Those mean 675 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: that you can't punch it. Into the end zone and 676 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 4: you're leaving four points on the field. But when you 677 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 4: have someone who has as been as consistent to this 678 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: point that anything longer than like forty forty five yards, 679 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: I fully expect Mott Prader to make it, and when 680 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 4: he doesn't, you're disappointed. And that has not been the 681 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 4: case over the lifetime of the NFL, because you shouldn't 682 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 4: be that accurate from fifty yards and beyond. Well, especially 683 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 4: in that environment. Right you were in that building. You 684 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 4: know it's a beautiful I mean, all six billion dollars 685 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 4: buys you a beautiful stadium. Okay, I think we can 686 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: all agree with that, But then the kicking conditions were, 687 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 4: I mean, just perfect. What people don't realize is that 688 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: building is not climate control. It's open on either end. 689 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 4: So there have been times where we've been there early 690 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 4: in the season and it is warm, and it was 691 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 4: a little bit warm yesterday, especially in that second half. 692 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 4: The sun comes through the refracting glass and all that, 693 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 4: Especially if you're in the way upper deck, it can 694 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 4: get pretty toasty up there. But yeah, that those type 695 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 4: of conditions for a kicker, that is just absolutely ideal. 696 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: At the same time, Prader's been through enough teams and 697 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: around the league long enough that like when you go 698 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 4: to Cleveland, he'll explain all the wind pass in Cleveland, 699 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 4: like he knows exactly the environment and how to adjust 700 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: his kicks accordingly. So props to Matt Prater, the Week 701 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 4: six Angry Bird Award winner, and now has promised the shoutout, 702 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: and that would go to Kaleis Campbell, former Arizona Cardinal 703 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 4: who recorded his one hundredth career sack on Sunday. But 704 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 4: it's not because of that milestone, Paul. It's what he 705 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 4: is doing because of that milestone. Not sure if you 706 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 4: saw this, but Kalais is donating one hundred thousand dollars 707 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 4: to help teachers in the four cities in which he played. 708 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 4: That includes right here, so twenty five thousand dollars to 709 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 4: Tempe Phoenix teachers. Fifty six and a half of the 710 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: one hundred career sacks for Kalais came in a Cardinals uniform. 711 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 4: We will see Kalais in week ten when the Falcons visit. 712 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 4: So he's always been a favorite among Cardinal fans, longtime 713 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 4: hosts of the Big Red Rage, and Kalais one of 714 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 4: the good guys in that Cardinals locker room. I mean, 715 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 4: isn't a better human in a football uniform in the 716 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 4: NFL than Kaleis Campbell. So I'm not surprised that he 717 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 4: turns a personal achievement into a win win for others. 718 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 4: That's the sort of double ding that Kalaius Campbell's all about. 719 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 4: Someone who will tell you and told us, you know, 720 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 4: his family when he was a kid, struggled financially, and 721 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 4: for someone who appreciates where he's at, what he's been 722 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 4: able to achieve as many people as he's been able 723 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 4: to take care of and assist financially and otherwise. Remember 724 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 4: he used to do the shop with a jock every 725 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 4: year in the holiday season, and it was hilarious because 726 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 4: six foot eight Kalais Campbell with this seven foot reach. 727 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 4: It was just ridiculous. And you know, you walk through 728 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 4: one of the stores like a Toys r Us or 729 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 4: a Target or a Walmart, whoever was hosting it, and 730 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 4: it would very year to year, and you're always looking 731 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 4: way up, especially as a diminutive American, my own self 732 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 4: at the top shelf in class, go oh you want 733 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 4: this toy, little boy? Okay, And I'll just reach right 734 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 4: up there. Almost as if he's on a big old ladder, 735 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 4: except he doesn't need a ladder. He just reaches out 736 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 4: up and plucks it off the top shelf and puts 737 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 4: it in the hands of the little kid. And just 738 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 4: the looks on their faces and what he would do 739 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 4: every year. So the fact that he's still playing as well, 740 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 4: how old is. 741 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: Klays thirty seven? 742 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: It's a good question. I didn't bother look at him, 743 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, leaving the Cardinals to go to Jacksonville, then 744 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: Baltimore and now with the Atlanta Falcons, and still I 745 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: has still the passion to be able to play. 746 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. 747 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 4: And think about it as a guy who came out 748 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: of the U second round pick and what was the 749 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 4: knock and all the scotter reports, Oh, inconsistent motor, inconsistent motor. 750 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: The guy played on kickoff and kickoff cover as a 751 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 4: rookie before he earned his stripes, and that was the 752 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 4: two thousand and eight year. He's a rookie during the 753 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 4: Super Bowl run, think how long he's been around so 754 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 4: and just his presence in the locker room and now 755 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 4: guys gravitate towards him. So that's great, that's a great 756 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 4: shout out. You did a much better job with the 757 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 4: years than I did with my Angry Bird award. 758 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: Put it that way. 759 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: Oh, we needed in this episode. On a positive note, 760 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: considering what happened just twenty four hours earlier in Los Angeles. 761 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: I was it. 762 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 4: By the way, how was the fan experience in that stadium? 763 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 4: And you know, any stories you know from the night before? 764 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 4: Come on, Craig, what can you tell us stories? 765 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: As they say, Paul, what happens in Los Angeles stays. 766 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 4: In Los Angeles? All right, gotcha, I'll say this, you 767 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 4: were missed. Well, I have a brother and uncle in 768 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 4: LA and I had previous plans. But yeah, it sounds 769 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 4: like I did miss quite the outing the night before. 770 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 4: So okay, all right, well, I'm glad you know you 771 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 4: were there to represent Craig. So well done in all fronts. 772 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps a future episode of Cardinals Folk Tales, we'll detail 773 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: the LA trip of twenty twenty three. 774 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: Hello. 775 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: On that note, we'll put a lid on this edition 776 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai partner the Arizona Cardinals. 777 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer jim On Mahundro, 778 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: our associate producer Cuddy Fincher for Paul Calvic. 779 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 2: I'm Craig Rayolou. 780 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.