Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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Speaker 1: Smith and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's. It is Thursday,
Speaker 1: February sixteenth, and we are alive from the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: seventy one days away from the NFL Draft in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: And we are back on the Draft Show presented by
Speaker 1: Miller Lite here from the SWBC studios. We've got Bobby
Speaker 1: Belt back in the building. Guy Brian brought us, of
Speaker 1: course back in the building, and Aisha Morrison back in
Speaker 1: the building. We're all together again in one spot. How's
Speaker 1: everybody doing great? Never better, never better? How is your
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Brian? How is my super Bowl? You're good?
Speaker 1: You did it? Goes okay, it was okay, you did
Speaker 1: a good job. It was okay. I thought it is
Speaker 1: the grand post. We closed on a strong note, so yeah,
Speaker 1: oh went out on a high note. Yep, yep, tried
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so it didn't suck so bad. Like I
Speaker 1: ain'tle a loud of y'all. Like seeing Philly Lows, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what off seasons sky a little
Speaker 1: better for me. Oh yeah, in my opinion, makes it
Speaker 1: a little bit easier. We didn't hurt as bad. I
Speaker 1: was trying to buy souvenirs without any Kansas City or
Speaker 1: Philly logos on it, and that's a hard task to
Speaker 1: have to do it a super Bowl they didn't have,
Speaker 1: just like Generics they did. I went out, had to buy,
Speaker 1: had to buy, had to go to the Aaron Andrews line. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was a gift for a lady there, and so
Speaker 1: it was like I had to go to the Aaron
Speaker 1: Andrews route where she puts out Super Bowl clothing without
Speaker 1: logos on it. I found there was one shirt I
Speaker 1: saw on the gift shop at the Arizona Airport that
Speaker 1: was just said super Bowl. Yeah, that just said XCEL whatever,
Speaker 1: x L V I. I are you good with all
Speaker 1: those Roman numerous Man, I wasn't ntil super Bowl forty.
Speaker 1: And then you started going like, Okay, why isn't so
Speaker 1: it's XL it's ten minus fifty, And then I started
Speaker 1: getting all messed up, and he gets really weird because yeah,
Speaker 1: whenever he went to forty it was XL. And then
Speaker 1: you've got to you just got an L now, so
Speaker 1: it's just lv II, got it. Yeah, very interesting. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk some draft stuff, of course being on the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, but we're gonna really hit some scenarios for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in this show. I love that segment number three,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through scenarios of first and second round
Speaker 1: potentials and I ran through six different simulations and we're
Speaker 1: gonna choose which one we feel like fits the best,
Speaker 1: and you can ask questions if you wanted to switch
Speaker 1: a prospect out, you could maybe if he was available,
Speaker 1: and we can kind of talk about it when we
Speaker 1: get there. But I want to start by something that
Speaker 1: Brian Dane and I talked about yesterday, and that was
Speaker 1: really prioritizing picks and how you can shuffle your board
Speaker 1: around whenever those picks are available based on value in
Speaker 1: the draft and where you can find that value. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about how free agency can kind of
Speaker 1: affect that, Brian, because we said yesterday you don't want
Speaker 1: to window dress your board, right, but you also don't
Speaker 1: want to ignore value where the draft is coming to you, right.
Speaker 1: How does that change whenever you go and get some
Speaker 1: guys to plug some of these holes in free agency
Speaker 1: early on. I think the team that you know, there's
Speaker 1: some teams that are super aggressive early in free agency.
Speaker 1: The first two three days you can kind of fill
Speaker 1: a little bit of what you know, maybe it prevents
Speaker 1: you from having to go out and use draft picks.
Speaker 1: You say, Okay, we're going to spend money on this
Speaker 1: particular position because we feel like this other position is
Speaker 1: pretty weak. You know, you could kind of or maybe
Speaker 1: it's like, listen, we just can't get a guy in
Speaker 1: the draft that's going to be as good for us here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that you have to be very
Speaker 1: mindful of that. The team like the Cowboys that tends
Speaker 1: to kind of let the first week of the draft
Speaker 1: go and then they bottom fish at that point. I
Speaker 1: don't mean bottom fish in a bad I mean that
Speaker 1: they kind of like let the market kind of run
Speaker 1: its course and then they go in and grab particular
Speaker 1: players the way they grab Curse and guys like that.
Speaker 1: And so then you know, but there's certain teams out
Speaker 1: there that absolutely love to draft. I mean, they just
Speaker 1: love to draft. They free agency. Yeah, you pointed at
Speaker 1: this one issue finger went straight down to the and
Speaker 1: she's absolutely right at this No, no, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think there's some teams that are just
Speaker 1: totally comfortable. If you're a bad drafting team, you probably
Speaker 1: have to play in free agency. But if you're a
Speaker 1: team that kind of has a handle on that. And
Speaker 1: I was talking with some guys this morning about compensatory picks,
Speaker 1: the possibly of getting a next or four, a five,
Speaker 1: and a six here. You know that, man, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's heaven for these guys. They love it. Give them
Speaker 1: two fourth round picks, give them two fifth round picks,
Speaker 1: give them two sixth round picks. They will make some hay,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we always talk, well, they're not
Speaker 1: going to take all the picks. No, these cats here
Speaker 1: will draft and and they're done at the last two
Speaker 1: and they'll keep every single one of them too, is
Speaker 1: what they'll do. So, you know, if you're a bad
Speaker 1: drafting team. We were poor in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: We couldn't get the combinations between free agency and the
Speaker 1: draft right. And what happened when when that, When that happened,
Speaker 1: we just had to go all in on free agency
Speaker 1: and that and that can hurt you. That can hurt you.
Speaker 1: And so but these guys are very cap mindful of
Speaker 1: where they're at. They've got a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: they've got some flipping of switches. I know Bobby covers
Speaker 1: this team from one oh five three the fan, He'll
Speaker 1: tell you there's gonna be switches that they have to flip.
Speaker 1: They have to do this that to create money. I
Speaker 1: think this team is more into drafting and signing their
Speaker 1: own than going out and getting other players. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think generally that's that's the way they like to
Speaker 1: approach it now. Jerry talking and at Senior Bowls sounded
Speaker 1: more open to doing some things in free agency. And
Speaker 1: I think it's probably be Odell Beckham. Well, yeah, Odell,
Speaker 1: maybe that's part of it. Yeah, that name Will. That's
Speaker 1: the new Earl Thomas. And so you know, I think
Speaker 1: that the way Jerry talked at Senior Bowls sounded like
Speaker 1: he's taking notice of Okay, like you know, you take
Speaker 1: Philly and how they performed and the aggressive moves they made,
Speaker 1: you take the aggressive moves that a team like the
Speaker 1: Rams were last year made, and just to go through
Speaker 1: outside like the Buccaneers, like go back through history I
Speaker 1: had I've got I keep meaning to go look this
Speaker 1: up again. Because it's relevant, I think, but it was.
Speaker 1: I believe each of the last ten years, the team
Speaker 1: that won the Super Bowl the previous offseason spent more
Speaker 1: guaranteed money on an outside free agent than the Cowboys
Speaker 1: spent that same offseason and guaranteed money on their whole
Speaker 1: free agent class. And so, like I mean, you talk about,
Speaker 1: for example, when they went out the most they've splurged
Speaker 1: was like twenty twenty, I think they gave out thirty
Speaker 1: six million guaranteed outside free agents. Well, the Buccaneers that
Speaker 1: you're acquired Tom Brady and he was more than thirty
Speaker 1: six million guarantee that he made. Same thing. You go
Speaker 1: back through the years, you know, one offseason it was like, well,
Speaker 1: when the Patriots won, Durrell Reevs got more guaranteed money
Speaker 1: from the Patriots then Dallas's whole outside free agent class.
Speaker 1: So not including the resigns and the guys you're keeping
Speaker 1: on your own. So I think eventually you have to
Speaker 1: look at that and go like, Okay, maybe there's a
Speaker 1: happy medium, maybe we don't have to go this way,
Speaker 1: but but you do got to feel like there's got
Speaker 1: to be some sort of an evolution. I think at
Speaker 1: some point but I you know, to me, when you
Speaker 1: start to look at what happened and I saw this
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. Cowboys I think were
Speaker 1: second in the league in games played by their rookies.
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City was number one and Dallas was
Speaker 1: number two. I don't know if that's the set that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds right. They need but see that's
Speaker 1: what that's what they do, that's what they're that's their
Speaker 1: whole mindset right there. Like they as long as they
Speaker 1: keep drafting, well, I don't see this philosophy changing as
Speaker 1: far as free agency feels like so much pressure you
Speaker 1: put on your personality. But they but will lives for that,
Speaker 1: and it really does, and it appts resolutely. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's something that they like and they enjoy that
Speaker 1: person and they like that, that's great. But it's like
Speaker 1: help him out a little, you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: like like Jaylen Tilbert for example. I mean Jaylen Tilbert
Speaker 1: was drafted as a guy they expected in a third
Speaker 1: round scenario to come in and play immediately. I would
Speaker 1: have taken him in the second yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but he didn't work out. And what happened. You were
Speaker 1: kind of hamstrung that wide receiver for a good part
Speaker 1: of the year and you had to go get a
Speaker 1: guy like t Y Hilton. That's a move you had
Speaker 1: to make. Well to me, I mean, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned like, can a guy come in that's a
Speaker 1: free agent that's going to be better than any rookie
Speaker 1: that you draft? And so when you do look at
Speaker 1: a guy like we talked about DT and how important
Speaker 1: has been for your linebackers and stuff, is there any
Speaker 1: DT in this draft? I don't know that's going to
Speaker 1: come in and immediately be better than to Ron Payne
Speaker 1: or she just hit the new Hargraves Is Hargraves is
Speaker 1: also a guy that's a free agent, Like, are there
Speaker 1: any of those gentlemen that are going to be better
Speaker 1: right away? Because that's the problem. I love that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft and developed well. I mean, I mean we
Speaker 1: just we see also dig Zua coming along, like I
Speaker 1: just I love Chauncey gold and like I like that
Speaker 1: these guys come along and stuff. But it takes some
Speaker 1: time to put on weight, takes some time to understand
Speaker 1: the position and how to play it at a high level.
Speaker 1: So then you get you I think you're waiting like
Speaker 1: a couple of years, maybe a year for this guy
Speaker 1: to get this position, and the other parts of your
Speaker 1: team are ready to win now. So I I think, like,
Speaker 1: like Bobby said, like you're gonna have to make the
Speaker 1: decision depending on the position, Like, is this gonna help
Speaker 1: us win right now? Is this like? Especially like for me,
Speaker 1: I think DT is such a huge thing because it
Speaker 1: just it changed your run defense, It changed your linebackers
Speaker 1: that need to be free. It just really opened up everything.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like, is there any guy that you
Speaker 1: can draft right now that's gonna come in and immediately
Speaker 1: make an impact on your defense that's gonna do it
Speaker 1: like that? I don't know yet. I think the position
Speaker 1: that you could draft it would make a difference at
Speaker 1: twenty six, is corner Okay? Tackles really? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think the corners now. I love what you're saying
Speaker 1: about the defensive tackles because I'm one to five three
Speaker 1: the fan. Yesterday I was talking about if you gave
Speaker 1: me a scenario where I could go and get a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and pain. If we said you're pushing the
Speaker 1: chips in and you're going to get durn Pain. I'm
Speaker 1: totally about that. I think if you know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, Digs, the wide receiver at Buffalo. If you know,
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, I mean, you're starting to
Speaker 1: hear whispers about, well, maybe they might move on from
Speaker 1: him by all means twenty six, take twenty six, and
Speaker 1: you can, you know, give me Digs that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I'm all about that. But those are but you're right
Speaker 1: about You're right about players that you know. That's that's
Speaker 1: the thing that a lot of these teams looking like
Speaker 1: this guy's already established. This is an established player, you know,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys feel like, hey, we can draft, we
Speaker 1: can deal. They've done that. Look what they did. They
Speaker 1: redrafted this thing. And Tyler Smith was what the eighth
Speaker 1: pick in the draft on a redraft and we're all
Speaker 1: sitting here talking about him at what twenty seven, you know,
Speaker 1: and the league's now going, wait a minute, this was
Speaker 1: the eighth best player on the board. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think I would keep drafting. No, I just think
Speaker 1: I keep drafting too well. No, And I but why
Speaker 1: not supplement though, Like why not have them draft like that?
Speaker 1: And then also add you can do both It's not
Speaker 1: like you're limited just because you're choosing to draft. Don't
Speaker 1: disagree with you, guys, But sitting up with these cats, oh,
Speaker 1: I know that's what they do. Not they don't feel
Speaker 1: like that they have to do that. Yeah, how can
Speaker 1: you not? Though? How can you not when you see
Speaker 1: like and we talked about we just talked about on
Speaker 1: Girls Talk, Boys Talk Listen, man, like these young players,
Speaker 1: you're young stars that you want to resign. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: talking out loud. They're talking out loud, micah CD, Trey Von.
Speaker 1: They're talking of they are they want to win, and
Speaker 1: so they're talking about bringing people in and adding talent
Speaker 1: and stuff because they see across the league that you
Speaker 1: have to be able to draft well and supplement it.
Speaker 1: Like Bobby said, but you mentioned dB, though I listen,
Speaker 1: has Israel mquamu and darm Blend have they made dB
Speaker 1: a little I think Izzy might have made things a
Speaker 1: little weird. I think you might have to go get
Speaker 1: a safety, like not mosting the year already moving him
Speaker 1: over permanent. I mean you might have to get a
Speaker 1: safety for a number of reasons. Donovan Wilson's a free agent.
Speaker 1: Malie Cooker is a potential cap savings. Mcamo can play corner.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's wrong. No, Rather, at corner, mcuamo
Speaker 1: was better at corner throughout training camp than from Texas
Speaker 1: A and m would do my heart pretty good. He'd
Speaker 1: have to get him in the first round, though. Are
Speaker 1: you okay spending twenty six I know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just wondering if it's changed to the urgency
Speaker 1: to to to to go get corner early because you
Speaker 1: obviously I think obviously easy came along and I think
Speaker 1: they're going to see that. But Jordan Lewis is he's
Speaker 1: still on contract. Run. Yeah, he's still on contract, so
Speaker 1: he's going to be a slot guy. Dron Bland is here,
Speaker 1: and then you got Israel mcquamo, who obviously show flashes
Speaker 1: at corner. Has that changed the urgency If you wanted
Speaker 1: to get a corner in the first round possibly or
Speaker 1: second round, I think you need to do it. I'm
Speaker 1: asking you, guys. No, no, I think you're right. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I would think of it. As
Speaker 1: a bigger picture thing. It might be for Diggs that
Speaker 1: that they if they picked a corner in the first round.
Speaker 1: I would think that's more indicative of we need to
Speaker 1: protect ourselves on Trayvon, I think this is more about
Speaker 1: Digs than a Yeah. If I were to look into
Speaker 1: a crystal ball and try and project out what's going
Speaker 1: to happen over the next thirteen months from now, I
Speaker 1: think we're thirteen months from now, Trayvon Diggs has the
Speaker 1: franchise tag on him. I agree, I say that, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't think it's gonna get done
Speaker 1: this office. If you told me which is going to
Speaker 1: be the easier, and I asked this again the on
Speaker 1: the question yesterday on the on the break, which is
Speaker 1: going to be the easier negotiations between Diggs and Lamb, Yep,
Speaker 1: give me Lamb everything. It's gonna be Lamb this guy
Speaker 1: because because Diggs, Diggs is literally gonna dig in. I mean,
Speaker 1: he thinks he's one of the best corners in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think that, you know what,
Speaker 1: and he's got he's got a good argument, he really does.
Speaker 1: But but this this crew, let this let this crew.
Speaker 1: Let Byron Jones walk yep and Byron Judge round picked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Byron Jones was having a good It was having a
Speaker 1: good season for them. You could argue they proved correct
Speaker 1: that one. I mean he's something right, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's been solid, but he has not been what he was.
Speaker 1: But that's what that's the whole idea here. If this
Speaker 1: Digs thing turns contentious, then you know, and hell I
Speaker 1: want him to sign Dicks. I absolutely do. But if
Speaker 1: it turns bad, that you know, and and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna move on. I think it's not so
Speaker 1: much about the guy playing opposite Digs. I think it's
Speaker 1: about the guy that all of a sudden Bland Mukuamu
Speaker 1: and whoever plug in, whoever you want uh Banks from
Speaker 1: Maryland or whoever you want to plug in, could be
Speaker 1: the guy that all of a sudden that steps in
Speaker 1: and they said, no, we're just gonna move on. The
Speaker 1: ease of the Digs or the ease of the Lamb
Speaker 1: negotiation is going to be it's you you can. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna be easy either. No, I think
Speaker 1: it is like in terms of I think I think
Speaker 1: that one gets done this offseason, okay, and because I
Speaker 1: think the framework is there easily. Tory Dandy, who represents CD,
Speaker 1: has represented a couple of the other top receivers. He'd
Speaker 1: represented one of the most recent deals that got on debo,
Speaker 1: and so it's easy to work off that framework and say, okay,
Speaker 1: we've got this contract here that debo signed. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: calculating for the inflation of the cap that would mean
Speaker 1: that CD would be do this, and it gives them
Speaker 1: a much easier base to work around with DIGS. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: some people think he's j. C. Jackson, some people think
Speaker 1: he's Jayar Alexander, and it's like, where's the difference and
Speaker 1: jac Jackson, j C. Jackson and jay Ere Alexander are
Speaker 1: five million apart on their average as salary. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so that's a harder in the middle ground with that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to find where you agree. Also, not
Speaker 1: to mention, Micah Parsons is coming up next year in
Speaker 1: that start of the conversation and moving into that too.
Speaker 1: So not only are you having to talk about these
Speaker 1: two guys going into contract years, but then Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: is going to come up in seasons as well. You
Speaker 1: do have that fifth year you do have with CD,
Speaker 1: and with CD both and and what we've seen with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and listen, Hey, I respect all those guys
Speaker 1: and gals upstairs at work on these contracts, but they've
Speaker 1: also waited on contracts. Yea, they have waited on some
Speaker 1: contin Stephens said that. Stephen said his biggest regret and
Speaker 1: reseingers was we should have got Dacked done earlier. So
Speaker 1: they know I had people screaming at me. You could
Speaker 1: have had this thing done for twenty three years ago.
Speaker 1: You get this thing done for twenty eight you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, I mean you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: a guy talking about it here. So going back to
Speaker 1: kind of the stem of this conversation, corner, No, it's
Speaker 1: not your bad, that's actually really good. Sing. Yeah. Corner
Speaker 1: is something where like you said, you could go and
Speaker 1: get a guy in the first round or second round
Speaker 1: and you could plug and play and he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna improve a football team. Is there any other receiver
Speaker 1: or any other hum I just gave away my thought process.
Speaker 1: Is there any other position offensive line in the draft
Speaker 1: that you could do that? Yeah? The Cowboys have proven
Speaker 1: this as well. Any offensive lineman that they draft in
Speaker 1: the first round, isn't they think it's much. It's a
Speaker 1: lot it is. It's it's like when we always talk
Speaker 1: about this, who is the safest player in the draft.
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking with danis or about Sanders.
Speaker 1: I asked Dane about Sanders, the linebacker from Arkansas. Not
Speaker 1: a safe, clean, nothing wrong with him. Man, He's just
Speaker 1: plug and play. You know. That's that's what Cowboys do
Speaker 1: with these offensive lineman they did. They drafted as Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith that what did they do? They forced, They forced
Speaker 1: to Taco Charlton pick. They forced a couple of these
Speaker 1: picks and what happened. It didn't work. But they just
Speaker 1: naturally say, well, Tyler Smith's up there. We kind of
Speaker 1: like him, you know, we're okay with him. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: like you know, boom, make the pick. Guy starts at
Speaker 1: left tackle, and now he's the eight you know redraft,
Speaker 1: he's the eighth best player on the board. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: team has a knack, an ability, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it, a just a will to draft offensive line
Speaker 1: in the first round and have him work. That's a
Speaker 1: if they took a first round lineman in this draft,
Speaker 1: I would I would just pencil that in. Is up,
Speaker 1: guy's gonna plug and play. If it's a guard, listen,
Speaker 1: to me, I'm having problems with a guard. I don't
Speaker 1: know about yours. Yeah, I know they're all stressing me out,
Speaker 1: the little stress. I don't think it's a good class.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about that top head, well, wait,
Speaker 1: where do you have Scroonsky? Do you have him as
Speaker 1: a guard? Tackle? Well, tackle tackle, I've must tackle him.
Speaker 1: Dane's got him as a guard. Yeah, And because the's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a shorter arm guy, it's what
Speaker 1: the will get, you know, when the combine rolls. It
Speaker 1: was it was another Northwestern typle by the way later Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, that's my guy. No, no, but that the
Speaker 1: I think the I mean, if you're talking about guards,
Speaker 1: the only one you're talking about in the top fifty
Speaker 1: right now realistically would be Torrens on it. Yeah, drop
Speaker 1: off from Osiris Torrens. Then you get into the Avlas
Speaker 1: from TCU. And I mentioned him last because he's you
Speaker 1: know how they like hometown people, you know how they
Speaker 1: like people close to the house. I mean Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: was technically hometown for it also helps. It also helps, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they get a closer look at those guys than
Speaker 1: they do some guys who are not from they do that.
Speaker 1: It's money. They pick offensive lineman and the especially in
Speaker 1: the bottom of that first round, they go back, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: go back. They figure it out. Yeah, they got they
Speaker 1: got a good they got a really good handle on this.
Speaker 1: But that could also just be honestly too, when you
Speaker 1: start looking at this US Coast offense, Solari just kind
Speaker 1: of how they like to run the ball, Dude, like
Speaker 1: guard is guard is a need for this team? Like
Speaker 1: let's let's keep it a book. I mean you have, well,
Speaker 1: let's go as a tackle in the background, I mean Tyler, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You got Tyler, you have. You
Speaker 1: don't know if Tyrn's coming back. You don't know if
Speaker 1: Jason Peters coming back. McGovern's a free agent. But there's
Speaker 1: depth there at tackle, maybe at guard. Oh what you
Speaker 1: got there? What you got there? And so with me,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at I really don't want to think of Farniac.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe maybe maybe the backup center. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you know, I know Farniac's the backup everything. They think
Speaker 1: he can play all five. I mean I like him
Speaker 1: as a rotational yeah guy, as a Yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: in a league that's starved of offensive lineman. A guy
Speaker 1: who can adequately like play off five positions. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to have on. You think you think they lose McGovern
Speaker 1: free agency tots. I don't know they really like him.
Speaker 1: I think they do. They really like him, But I
Speaker 1: think they can lose him because I think they feel like,
Speaker 1: like we just talked about, they might be able to
Speaker 1: draft a guy that can come in here and maybe
Speaker 1: do it better or do it at the same level
Speaker 1: at least to start. And my thing is is, like
Speaker 1: we've seen with Philly, how if you have a dumbant
Speaker 1: offensive line, I mean, think about it. Though the city
Speaker 1: rebuilt there. Yeah, I don't know when you're gonna get
Speaker 1: I don't know when you're gonna get tearing still back,
Speaker 1: but he's playing like one of the best tackles in
Speaker 1: the game. Another year of Tyler Smith's getting trained in
Speaker 1: working with Duke, all this stuff he's doing, He's come
Speaker 1: back probably putting that big boy weight on. You're good
Speaker 1: at tackle. Then you have Tyler beyandis who's gonna He's
Speaker 1: continuing to develop. He played well this year. You know
Speaker 1: that's pro bowler. Let me fix myself, Zack Martin, but oh, God,
Speaker 1: you go. You Patty, You're Patty. But with this offensive line,
Speaker 1: you get a guard, a good left guard. You might
Speaker 1: be cooking with gas, like just being honest for your
Speaker 1: tackles are kind of shut it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: We kind of need to look at guard. But your
Speaker 1: center is pretty good too. So I'm looking at guard
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Speaker 1: Bobby Belt, Brian protus Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's okay.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the slot receivers or not
Speaker 1: so slot receivers, because Mike McCarthy likes Ceedee Lamb in
Speaker 1: the slot. He likes to put him in there and
Speaker 1: let him go to work. And of course Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: is calling them plays this year. Which attainable receiver on
Speaker 1: the outside would fit into this offense. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a twist on this, this is uh, he said.
Speaker 1: In general, we've talked a lot about first round receivers.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the day two guys,
Speaker 1: second or third round potentials. Anybody on the outside that
Speaker 1: you could take in the second or third round that
Speaker 1: would really excite you. Uh, specifically for the idea that
Speaker 1: if they're going to play West Coast. Yes, Rashi Rice, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: Now Rashie. Like, I think Rashi's traits are nice. I
Speaker 1: think that he's a physical receiver. I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy who will make like the tough, the contested catches,
Speaker 1: things like that. There's a little bit of like, I
Speaker 1: hate like saying this word because it always sounds so dirty,
Speaker 1: and I don't I just don't have a better revert
Speaker 1: DC laziness at times with rice, like in the route
Speaker 1: running and just like kind of nonchalant. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're fair all right, so but and look, you're going
Speaker 1: to fight that. I wasn't trying to fight fight it, no,
Speaker 1: fight it, No, I want you to fight. Think you.
Speaker 1: I think you were you. I know you really like
Speaker 1: the player. I love the want. I want to hear
Speaker 1: it because I I you know, with the sometimes in
Speaker 1: the receivers, I I think I've seen something the right way,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm pretty good at receivers, but I
Speaker 1: do see some a little bit of nonchalant. That's the
Speaker 1: better word. Nonchalant, not lazy. Give me something. I just think.
Speaker 1: I just think when you block as willingly as he does,
Speaker 1: like yeah you might, he might take a couple of
Speaker 1: plays off and you I mean, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. Like the nonchalantlant thing that I do
Speaker 1: feel like he's he's so into blocking and doing so
Speaker 1: many things that we naturally we see players doing in
Speaker 1: the NFL all the time where they're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm into this play and maybe it's not the right thing,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, I don't know if I see nonchalant. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I see that. I saw somebody
Speaker 1: who struggled with really creating separation all the time. I
Speaker 1: think he's a good route runner, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there was that that window of opportunity all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, guys. I think he's a
Speaker 1: really good player. I think if you were to get
Speaker 1: him at fifty eight, I'd be doing cartwheels. I'll go
Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal player. But I just in terms of
Speaker 1: the true separation, the speed, that next level burst, I
Speaker 1: didn't really see it as much as some of those
Speaker 1: other guys. Kilford I should go together. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a big slot type situation. So I do agree with you.
Speaker 1: You took that. That's what I was going to say
Speaker 1: when you brought up like who can win on the
Speaker 1: outside and whatever, But um not, You're You're fine, Bobby.
Speaker 1: The thing about it, no, No, I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 1: To me, though, this guy, he's used to catching the
Speaker 1: ball in traffic. Yeah, that, and you mentioned the lack
Speaker 1: of separation. He is used to going to get in
Speaker 1: the football, and I think that's what makes him intriguing
Speaker 1: is because I don't think all the time in the
Speaker 1: NFL you get operation which if McCarthy wants to run
Speaker 1: slant flats here, he can run it. Yeah, he can run.
Speaker 1: And he's got his eyes and he's strong and he
Speaker 1: can he'll he'll make the tough Can you remember last
Speaker 1: year what you're clamoring for all year, Like, get me
Speaker 1: a receiver who has my ball. Mentally, he does have
Speaker 1: my ball. Mental he is you're, you're you're. Because you're
Speaker 1: talking about toughness as a blocker. I think he's got
Speaker 1: toughness as a receiver because I think he's willing. I
Speaker 1: think he's willing to go get it. That's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's a little bit of some lack of
Speaker 1: day school stuff, but I'm not going to question this
Speaker 1: guy's toughness. I will say, though I agree with you, Kyle.
Speaker 1: I don't think he runs away from people. That's the
Speaker 1: thing that I you know, I think that. Did anybody
Speaker 1: do Tyler Scott from Cincinnati? I have not. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him. I'm gonna watch it, all right, Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott from Cincinnati is a smooth route runner. He
Speaker 1: gets in and out of his brakes. No wasted motion
Speaker 1: with this guy, you could put it. He could put
Speaker 1: a defender in a bad spot right off the jump.
Speaker 1: And so I mean he catches the ball really easily,
Speaker 1: very natural, the way he goes about his job, great radius,
Speaker 1: he tracks it down the field. Uh you know, inside
Speaker 1: concentration routes, all those things you talking about. I don't
Speaker 1: see him miss many balls at all. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on a guy like Tyler Scott. Another guy. I
Speaker 1: want to mention, did anybody happen to see where's my
Speaker 1: guy here that I'm looking at the at Perry from
Speaker 1: wake Forest? Yeah? Wake Forest? Okay, did you see him
Speaker 1: at all? Asia? Have you done him? All? Right? All right,
Speaker 1: Well here's another guy. He's six five, he's two oh five, okay,
Speaker 1: and he's he's got really impressive length for a receiver,
Speaker 1: and he could just the any ball is thrown high low.
Speaker 1: So you're again you're talking about these routes, we are
Speaker 1: running slants inside routes and stuff like that. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like that he can adjust the ball over
Speaker 1: his head all levels of the field. He's not shy
Speaker 1: about anywhere where he's going. There's really another again that
Speaker 1: smoothness to his game. He can set upright, and he
Speaker 1: also will make contested plays. So I saw a little
Speaker 1: bit of both at Perry wide receiver Wake Forest. Take
Speaker 1: a peek at him at the camp. Would he be
Speaker 1: a second round or a third round guy? Probably third round?
Speaker 1: I think he's more closer to probably a third. Dane
Speaker 1: always did this thing with us. What I thought was
Speaker 1: kind of like, because I always want to I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to stand on the fence. Sure Dane will
Speaker 1: throw you. He's a two three, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: is he a two or three? Yeah? Tell which one?
Speaker 1: Which one is he? You know? And so I think
Speaker 1: there's some other receivers that are probably a little bit
Speaker 1: better this guy. This This at Perry guy. He was
Speaker 1: able to show out because Sam Hartman, who is his quarterback,
Speaker 1: is one of the best in the country. And so
Speaker 1: you see him getting like really good passes, you know,
Speaker 1: from a quality quarterback, which I think makes a difference
Speaker 1: in the world. Does does that scare you a little bit?
Speaker 1: The fact that he didn't have a ton of production,
Speaker 1: because he had just barely nicked a thousand yards thirteen
Speaker 1: and a half per catch. I just kind of was
Speaker 1: seeing when I when I was watching him play, because
Speaker 1: when wake Force plays, they play this really slow. They
Speaker 1: act like they're reading the ball. They're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: hand in hand in hand in hand and handed pull
Speaker 1: and then throw the ball kind of an offense. And
Speaker 1: so to me, I think if he get with the
Speaker 1: right and I mentioned Hartman because I do feel like
Speaker 1: the ball when they did throw it was accurate to him.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna saying, maybe you know Megatron and
Speaker 1: those guys that I remember back in the day, Calvin
Speaker 1: Johnson went to school and what Georgia Tech. Yes, they
Speaker 1: were running what read option? Not read option? They were
Speaker 1: running like Veer stuff, run play stuff. I mean, these
Speaker 1: some of these receivers don't get in the right right scheme.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like this guy at his size
Speaker 1: at six five two o five is gonna be He
Speaker 1: looked like to me one of those like La Charger receivers.
Speaker 1: You know those they when you watch the Chargers play.
Speaker 1: They got all these big, kind of long, tall guys
Speaker 1: they're playing. Maybe they're not the fastest, but they go
Speaker 1: and get every single ball. What about I know that
Speaker 1: he's dealt with injuries stuff, but if we're talking about
Speaker 1: Day two or Day two, Day two, Round three, yeah,
Speaker 1: second or third round, Okay. I think a couple of
Speaker 1: teams might take a chance on Michael Wilson, Like I
Speaker 1: think his route running, his size, like he can win
Speaker 1: Oh Stanford as Stanford my bad because obviously the characters
Speaker 1: there all that stuff to work ethic. I actually looked
Speaker 1: at it quite a bit. He looked a great at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. But his size, it's kind of what
Speaker 1: makes things weird because I think he could play on
Speaker 1: the outside but be a big slot as well. But
Speaker 1: his route running is so good he's gonna beat people
Speaker 1: at the line of Scrimmage's just a deal of keeping
Speaker 1: him obviously keeping him healthy. But I do see him
Speaker 1: as a guy that could go in the third round
Speaker 1: because people are gonna be willing to take the risk
Speaker 1: on him, even though he's been healthy. He's been injured,
Speaker 1: but he just seems so refined as a route runner.
Speaker 1: He can get open in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: but he also has size to beat you and have
Speaker 1: size on those smaller corners. I haven't watched him yet.
Speaker 1: He was actually on my list to I had to
Speaker 1: knock out over the next couple of days. Has anybody
Speaker 1: watched Mingo? He was the last Yeah, he's the last
Speaker 1: guy because I was down to the point where I
Speaker 1: was watching Wicks from Virginia and Mingo was the last
Speaker 1: wide receiver that I had to do in this thing.
Speaker 1: But I know a lot of people. Everybody's everybody's mocking
Speaker 1: when you do those. I get those cowboy mocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody seems to put him if they're not putting, you know,
Speaker 1: if they're not putting the Tennessee receiver in there at
Speaker 1: you know, at number two, which I see every single
Speaker 1: time Hyatt. Yeah, I mean everybody puts him as the second,
Speaker 1: the second which I have watched Hyatt. And while I
Speaker 1: haven't watched Mingo, everything I know about Mingo sounds like
Speaker 1: those are about the two most polar opposite receivers we
Speaker 1: would be talking about here. Yeah, I mean one guy
Speaker 1: is like DeVante Smith's skinny with like three nine speed,
Speaker 1: and the other guy is, you know, running a five
Speaker 1: one and just trying to make tough contested catches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you guys real quick on that one. Zay Flowers
Speaker 1: from Boston College. The thing, he's five nine and one
Speaker 1: seventy is what I was working with get out for
Speaker 1: this team. Then yeah, okay, what a player? Huh Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's what a player? Phenomenal player, what a player? And
Speaker 1: are you gonna look at that one and say the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are not even not even considers Zay Flowers because
Speaker 1: I again a mock draft from the fans. Somebody had
Speaker 1: him going to twenty six to the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: kind of just smiled because I'm thinking, sir, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's a really good player, and you probably put
Speaker 1: him at the right spot. Yep, you probably put him
Speaker 1: with the wrong team. I put in my scouting report
Speaker 1: of Flowers. I said his burst is the best in
Speaker 1: the class. I mean, do you talk about put a
Speaker 1: foot in the ground and get around the defender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: straight off the line of scrimmage, I thought Flowers. I
Speaker 1: watched him against NC State, Syracuse and Wake Forest. I
Speaker 1: had two minuses the whole time. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: two minuses. He's a really solid player. The biggest knock
Speaker 1: is this, Yeah, I'm working off five. Have you done him? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What you got on him? Well, what I mean? You
Speaker 1: mentioned his birst? I like his hands. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's just one of those guys like I'm a dude,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he knows he's a dude, and
Speaker 1: you can see it in his play. But I feel
Speaker 1: like his releases are nice as well. But yeah, more
Speaker 1: than anything, what the size thing, dude, I just think
Speaker 1: it depends on what you what you need, what you
Speaker 1: do schematically, and so if the Cowboys drafting him, where
Speaker 1: where where is he going to play it? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he would have where is he gonna play it?
Speaker 1: But see, that's the thing about it. Twenty five years ago,
Speaker 1: when I started working in scouting, this this player wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been a guy you would even considered. Now and
Speaker 1: now and now we've we've kind of come to the
Speaker 1: point where, you know what, as a coach, it's your
Speaker 1: job to figure it out. It's your job to figure
Speaker 1: out because you're absolutely right. You guys are right about
Speaker 1: this kid. He's going he's going a one hundred miles
Speaker 1: an hour and he stops on a dime and comes
Speaker 1: back and comes back to the ball. He catches everything
Speaker 1: and he runs after catch. You know, I, as as
Speaker 1: a personnel guy, I can't sit there and say I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this guy could play football in this day
Speaker 1: and age, he could play football, and it's up to
Speaker 1: you guys to figure out where he could play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to guy all of a sudden like go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers. He doesn't fit our profile in our scheme.
Speaker 1: I get it. You can't have a team that looks
Speaker 1: like up and down, up and down, up and down.
Speaker 1: You can't have that. But there's certain guys in this
Speaker 1: draft that if you said, hey, I'm gonna draft Say
Speaker 1: Flowers for it, you cannot tell me watching his tape
Speaker 1: he's not a good football player. He is. You can't
Speaker 1: tell me that. And some coaches say, no, he's a
Speaker 1: little short for what we do. And then you know
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. The Giants, the Commanders, the Eagles
Speaker 1: like that are gonna draft him and he's and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go, wow, that's Zay Flowers. And then you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose a game because Zay Flowers makes about
Speaker 1: seven catches on you. I mean, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, though, It's just you're you're mocking
Speaker 1: to the wrong team. It's just it's not words though,
Speaker 1: because you won't play light. Don't get the playmaker, my guy.
Speaker 1: Should we start go get the flop being my guy?
Speaker 1: Should we just lobby all the No? No, down the hall.
Speaker 1: They sitting there handing out flowers. No they yeah, we're buttons,
Speaker 1: big flowers. I'll tell you what that receiver's cut regardless
Speaker 1: of the size. I'll tell you what they would not
Speaker 1: love is they wouldn't love the drops that are on
Speaker 1: his tape. He's got a couple. His hands are not great.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, though, to me, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like though that when you say not great, I
Speaker 1: see him like he's the only weapon that Boston College has.
Speaker 1: You know who he is, He's He's a more slightly
Speaker 1: built to me, the like Watchman's player, which I liked
Speaker 1: this player coming out, and he's been okay in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's a more slightly built Anthony Miller, remember him from Memphis, Memphis. Yes,
Speaker 1: he reminds me of him. Okay it with the Chicago Bears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's bounced around. I think he went to like Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: in Atlanta since then or something, And I liked I
Speaker 1: liked Anthony Miller, and I think they look similar. Miller
Speaker 1: was stouter. Miller's like twenty pounds heavier, but they're similar.
Speaker 1: Flowers had eight drops, by the way, That's what I
Speaker 1: wrote down though, Bobby, I wrote down drops. I wrote
Speaker 1: down drops our problem. But then also too, he got
Speaker 1: targeted a whole whole, whole whole bunch. Yeah. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I gonna be up because he's getting the ball through
Speaker 1: to him a little bit more than everybody else that exists.
Speaker 1: I just I just know over the past, like forget
Speaker 1: just the size. The size is one thing, but I
Speaker 1: just know where the past like there's been hesitancy. I
Speaker 1: know when I talk to people and try to figure
Speaker 1: out what their thought processes. When you start talking about
Speaker 1: maybe the hands aren't the best, that's usually like a
Speaker 1: big ding for them, I feel. So they're probably thinking
Speaker 1: hands and their fans, and you're so like, like great
Speaker 1: that you're fast. But i'd like to just I'd just
Speaker 1: like to go on record though, when this guy goes
Speaker 1: off and plays well please uh, well he'll play it
Speaker 1: at me when he's playing for some other team and
Speaker 1: you and you're, hey, broadest you like that Zay Flowers guy,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be running all over with Trevor Lawrence to him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be great. Guy's a great finisher. You can't
Speaker 1: you can't deny the guys know and do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about like when we were talking about Rashi
Speaker 1: Rice being a little lack of days, Well he's not.
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is not eight Flowers like that's running hot.
Speaker 1: Second question on Twitter on the twenty U We've got
Speaker 1: two questions this week. Donald asked, what about fault you
Speaker 1: should what about tight ends? What type of tight ends
Speaker 1: should the Cowboys be looking at? Because of course Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz coming off of the franchise tag, he's unrestricted. Who
Speaker 1: do you go get? Do you you rely on some
Speaker 1: of these young guys or do you target some of
Speaker 1: these high end tight ends that we talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit with Dane yesterday. Brian, can I convince you
Speaker 1: guys to take win at twenty six? No, you could, absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's two guys that I would be okay taking
Speaker 1: in twenties. Man, A dynamic, dangerous tight end is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest mismatches you can have in the NFL. Baso,
Speaker 1: look at the two teams in the Super Bowl, look
Speaker 1: at the four teams. At three of the four teams
Speaker 1: in the Conference championship games. What do they all have
Speaker 1: a dynamic tight end? George Kittle, Dallas Goddard and then
Speaker 1: who am I missing? Oh? Of course Travis, I see
Speaker 1: that one thing. Yeah, so yeah, that guy's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So well, you like you really turned up your nose
Speaker 1: on that twenty six. I wasn't. I just don't know
Speaker 1: you out don't. I'm not out on it. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I am about to get my hopes of some of
Speaker 1: what this team here is this they like undrafted free agents,
Speaker 1: they like fourth round tight ends, they like fifth tight ends.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't get in my feelings about
Speaker 1: oh oh oh, there's a if there's a position value
Speaker 1: wise that this team has crushed more than any other
Speaker 1: than tight end. I don't know what it is. You got.
Speaker 1: Jarwin is an undrafted free agent. You drafted Schultz in
Speaker 1: the fourth. McEwan is a it took a little while,
Speaker 1: It took a little while. Uh. McEwan is an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent, hender Shott and Ferguson. I mean, they've generally
Speaker 1: the guys they've evaluate it tight end. The last five
Speaker 1: of them they've brought in here have been really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the best one I've seen just Kincaid from Utah. You
Speaker 1: like him more than Muscar I've I've watched I've watched
Speaker 1: Myers pretty good though, too. See I like Myyer does
Speaker 1: does Myer get to you? Though? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that think that Meyer
Speaker 1: is the best tight end at a Notre Dame. He's
Speaker 1: my number one tight end, and I've seen him Washington.
Speaker 1: He's bigger. I mean, he's bigger than Kincaid. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got I was working on him at six five,
Speaker 1: two sixty five is what I was walking about. Meyer
Speaker 1: Meyer from Notre Dame six to four and a half,
Speaker 1: okay and two sixty five. Okay, So he's big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's big. That's no, that's but those yeas first round people, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know. I've got two
Speaker 1: first round grades on and uncomplete incomplete reports, and it's
Speaker 1: Meyer and it's Kincaid. Those are might say a tight
Speaker 1: end that I think that they might like because of
Speaker 1: what he does. And Sam Laporta, you boy, you nailed
Speaker 1: that back, dude, Yeah, yeah, you nailed it. What do
Speaker 1: you like about Laporta? I just I'll see if I
Speaker 1: can follow you up. You get all them. Nah, I
Speaker 1: just I like, I'll learn something from you here. I'd
Speaker 1: like some of his scene work, but it's the akability.
Speaker 1: It's the broken breaking tackles, Like dude, what like as
Speaker 1: a tight end and you talked about how much how
Speaker 1: much that's like a threat or that can be a
Speaker 1: difference maker. But I just think he understands to feel
Speaker 1: pretty well how to position hisself and whatnot. I do
Speaker 1: think his hands, his catch radius can get better. M
Speaker 1: as far as like snatching balls or whatever. He just
Speaker 1: to understand where to be on the field. I think
Speaker 1: he gets it. We know IOWA guys already typically typically
Speaker 1: a fundamentally sound He blocks pretty well also, but I'd
Speaker 1: like the yak ability from a tight end or you
Speaker 1: build the guy. What you think, Bobby, what you think?
Speaker 1: I have not watched him yet. I've watched two tight ends.
Speaker 1: I've watched Meron, I've watched Luke Musgrave, and to me,
Speaker 1: Musgrave is the modern tight end. That's the tight end
Speaker 1: you win with in the NFL. Well, I think look like, look,
Speaker 1: people are going to be frustrated that, like, okay, does
Speaker 1: he have to play strength? Does he play as well?
Speaker 1: As enline blockers. He like the run block you want,
Speaker 1: Like maybe not, but like I mean, coach it up
Speaker 1: like you coached up the tight ends throughout the year.
Speaker 1: Because to me, like this is a guy who he
Speaker 1: could play in line, he could line up in the slot.
Speaker 1: He could run some of those slant flats for you.
Speaker 1: He like, and he's an incredible athlete. He's big, that dude.
Speaker 1: Like the footwork on him looks like a receiver. He
Speaker 1: is really really good round these tight ends. Jalen Duncan.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm maybe I'm actually right un down schools about
Speaker 1: real quick. Rusgrave Oregon State. Yeah, sorry, I'm gonna so.
Speaker 1: Michael Meyer Notre Dame, Dalton Kincaide, Utah, Darnell Washington, Georgia,
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, that's a top eight playing tight end at Georgia.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, excuse you talk about Darnell Washington foot seven,
Speaker 1: two seventy. Yeah, I'm gonna put a pin in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's fun to watch. He's got some fun tape. Pain
Speaker 1: Durham and then Sam Laporta out of Iowa. I thought
Speaker 1: he would be like y'all's top. I thought he would
Speaker 1: be one of y'all top guys. I haven't watched him
Speaker 1: yet because Dane mentioned him. My bad. I'm sorry. Don't
Speaker 1: kill me being I'm all far with my mic h.
Speaker 1: But Pain Durham is somebody that I know. Dane mentioned
Speaker 1: show from Purdue, and I mean he just showed his
Speaker 1: tail at the at the at the Senior Bowl, especially
Speaker 1: just as a blocker, so I thought he would be
Speaker 1: one of y'all's guys that are really interested. I think
Speaker 1: I had a knock on him. Give me an find it.
Speaker 1: I gotta find. I'll tell you what I like what
Speaker 1: Bobby's saying about Musgrave though he did have an injury
Speaker 1: though that they're going to have to look at you.
Speaker 1: But this guy can separate. He can he can be
Speaker 1: tough down the field to cover, but when he's flexed
Speaker 1: her in the slot, I didn't like. I say, you
Speaker 1: don't play him in line, but you're talking about the
Speaker 1: modern tight end doesn't play in line as much anymore. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly use him in the way Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: used Evan Ingram. They figured out Evan Ingram down. Take
Speaker 1: your cues there. And I mean, like I said, the
Speaker 1: team's shown inability to use all sorts of different tight ends.
Speaker 1: They found a way to use the inlines. They've also
Speaker 1: found a way to use the more athletic ones like Jarwin.
Speaker 1: And so to me, I just think Musgrave makes a
Speaker 1: ton of sense. And that's more the you know, wal Meyer,
Speaker 1: who's the only other one that I watched. I like him.
Speaker 1: He's solid, but that's that's Jason Witten to me. And
Speaker 1: that's fine. But like if in this area, if you
Speaker 1: really want to create mismatch problems, you need Kelsey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's more Kelsey than he has Witten. Luke Musgrave
Speaker 1: is I think Musgrave st Dad based off of based
Speaker 1: off of what I've I think they think he's Jarwin.
Speaker 1: I think because he's got some juice, he's got some
Speaker 1: abill I think they like him. Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: do too. On the other side, with your producee tight
Speaker 1: end paint Durham My my knock was the dude can't run.
Speaker 1: He's not he's not a runner. He's physical, he's big,
Speaker 1: you can block, you can do all that stuff, but
Speaker 1: he can't run. You can use those guys too, you
Speaker 1: can well Laporta. I mean, you're right about him, but
Speaker 1: he can do crossers. I think you can. So when
Speaker 1: you talk about like what's the modern tight end, like
Speaker 1: can they do receiver type stuff? The only thing it's
Speaker 1: so weird because he can run the routes and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but contested balls aren't his on his aren't
Speaker 1: his steel low just yet? But can he run the routes?
Speaker 1: Can he get open? Can you do it? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 1: What he has the athleticism in space for sure. The
Speaker 1: one thing about Laporte is you'll see I will run
Speaker 1: the ball behind him. You know. Sometimes these were these
Speaker 1: tight ends they kind of avoid, they put him on
Speaker 1: the back side, or they don't have him involved. Laporta,
Speaker 1: they'll run the ball behind him. I always got a
Speaker 1: history of putting tight ends in the league. He's their speed.
Speaker 1: To me, Yeah, in my pain and that's why my
Speaker 1: eyes were drawn in. But I was like, oh, he
Speaker 1: can do a little bit of this, but he can
Speaker 1: block to Okay, he can do it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe they might look at this human. So there
Speaker 1: we go. We're on for tight ends at twenty six right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was the one. I've never seen anybody cheer more
Speaker 1: for tight ends at twenty six nine, she's ready to roll.
Speaker 1: She's shooting. Don't put that even on me. She just
Speaker 1: can't stop. She said, she said she would have taken hendershot. Second, Bobby,
Speaker 1: she told me first, she told me I could see
Speaker 1: this draft. I can see this draft. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: twenty six, she takes that pin. It just throws it, y'all.
Speaker 1: That's not That's not one of your fake pen throws.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be shook it now. Unless she's shock. Unless
Speaker 1: the dude seriously is like he could be a real
Speaker 1: receiving threat, Like he could really be a guy that
Speaker 1: makes a difference, Because I mean that's how I felt
Speaker 1: about this season with the Cowboys. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't got a whole bunch of receivers, but you
Speaker 1: have tight ends that have some receiving capabilities. Get them involved.
Speaker 1: It kind of can balance it out. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: if Musgrave is playing full time snaps in this offense
Speaker 1: next year, like as the primary tight end, Musgrave has
Speaker 1: a thousand yards convinced Bobby, Okay, well you don't Musgrave
Speaker 1: at twenty six, I'm gonna go since you you know Bobby,
Speaker 1: so he's so calm, and I just really like him.
Speaker 1: I think he's really really good. Bobby, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for draft. We can't wait. You rip him about it
Speaker 1: at some point, no matter if it's at twenty six
Speaker 1: or if it's in day three, We're gonna pick a
Speaker 1: tight end. And everyone's look is just gonna go wolf
Speaker 1: to me because you hate tight ends. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take our second break. When we come back here on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show presented by Miller Light, We're gonna give
Speaker 1: some scenarios. All of them include a tight end, all
Speaker 1: of them, all six of them. But now we're doing
Speaker 1: first and second round scenarios. We'll talk about it when
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Speaker 1: Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's you guys ready for some scenarios?
Speaker 1: Go for it. We got first and second round scenarios.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna list out six of them, so you might
Speaker 1: want to either write them down or try and memorize
Speaker 1: them if you got them. And then we're gonna pick
Speaker 1: which one you feel like fits best. The way I
Speaker 1: did this, I did different first round pick positions all
Speaker 1: the way through about guys that I think could potentially
Speaker 1: be there. First scenario o Cyrus Torrence, guard from Florida, who,
Speaker 1: of course we talked about yesterday with Dane. The wide
Speaker 1: receiver in the second round Jalen Hyatt, Tennessee, BiH receiver.
Speaker 1: Scenario number two involves taking a wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: first and I'm gonna give you an option here. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get really lucky at twenty six. Jordan Addison from
Speaker 1: usc falls and Jackson Smith and Jigba from Ohio State falls.
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, though, is your pick in the second round.
Speaker 1: That's the Iowa line Iowa linebacker. Yeah, So you get
Speaker 1: lucky in the first round, you don't get so lucky
Speaker 1: in the second round. Scenario three is Aisha's favorite, and
Speaker 1: actually this is kind of funny because it's your non
Speaker 1: favorite and then your favorite Michael Meyer tight end out
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame. Yeah, had twenty six. But in the
Speaker 1: second round you get Keanu Benton, interior defensive lineman from
Speaker 1: Wisconsin who in the second round. So you get pretty
Speaker 1: lucky in the second round's pretty good. Scenario four, you've
Speaker 1: got Deontay Banks, the cornerback from Maryland who we've talked
Speaker 1: about previously. Like him, and then in the you get
Speaker 1: him in the first round. Second round you get LSU
Speaker 1: wide receiver Kashaw Boutet. Scenario five. Be Jean Robinson just
Speaker 1: lit up. She can't laugh, No, no, she just lit ups.
Speaker 1: Is kind of lit. We're adult, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta figure it out. We're gonna have a fun day.
Speaker 1: If that's these work out. Scenario five. Scenario five, I
Speaker 1: did it for a reason. Be Jean Robinson Ward number
Speaker 1: five for Texas, the running back. Then in the second
Speaker 1: round you get Kiley Ringo, corner from Georgia. Scenario six.
Speaker 1: And the final one you get Dane Henley. How do
Speaker 1: you say is do you know his name? Washington State linebacker.
Speaker 1: I do not either. Actually liked him. I watched him
Speaker 1: last week. He's pretty good. It's real. He's want in
Speaker 1: a modern line that We'll have to talk about his
Speaker 1: scouting report in a second. And then in the second
Speaker 1: round you get the offensive tackle to Wand Jones from
Speaker 1: Ohio State. You get you go a little offensive line
Speaker 1: versatility in the second round. So there's your scenarios. What
Speaker 1: are we debating here? Don't ask me which one is
Speaker 1: your favorite. There's zero debate. It's five Wow. Be Jean
Speaker 1: Robinson and the key Ringo question. You give me like
Speaker 1: all world trades at corner in the second and you
Speaker 1: give me a top three overall player in the first go,
Speaker 1: So don't even think about it. Sounds very much like
Speaker 1: getting Lamb and digs that draft at the same time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean where it's a surplus on a
Speaker 1: skilled position. Yeah, and then you also turn around and
Speaker 1: you you shure up your corner spot. Ring I mean,
Speaker 1: Ringo is digs with better athleticism, Yeah he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe not the ball skills, but he's got really good
Speaker 1: ball skills though, I think. Yeah, but Trayvon's like Trayvon's different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but can you read me the Addison one again? Please? Yes?
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison wide receiver from USC or Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigbua wide receiver from Ohio State in the first round.
Speaker 1: Second round. It's Jack Campbell the linebacker for Okay, you
Speaker 1: like that one? No, I just was curious. I like
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell, but I don't know, I don't know, And
Speaker 1: that was me even saying, Okay, you got you got
Speaker 1: lucky in the first round, you didn't get lucky in
Speaker 1: the second round. And I still put Jack Campbell there.
Speaker 1: I like Jack as well, but I mean he's probably
Speaker 1: a top seventy player. He sounds like an accountant. He's
Speaker 1: a really he's a big one. No, I know, just
Speaker 1: the name. The name sounds like that shot kind of
Speaker 1: looks like like Jack Campbell's state farm when you watch him.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you you yet like, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: really fundamentally sound, not super flashy, but is gonna do
Speaker 1: linebacker things at high wrong. The scenario three interest you
Speaker 1: at all? Say it again? Say it Michael Meyer, the
Speaker 1: tight end from Notre Dame, and then Keanu Benton, interior
Speaker 1: defensive lineman from Wisconsin. Round second, first and second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they gonna take a d getting Benton
Speaker 1: in the second round. A guy like Benton could be
Speaker 1: a game changer. He can't, he can't, he can. I
Speaker 1: honestly feel like the first scenario is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: And I only say that because those are the two
Speaker 1: I keep saying. Michael Meyer, it's mayor mayor, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what is that Friday the thirteenth, whatever, the
Speaker 1: movie Michael Meyer, No, Michael Myers, mayor mask No, not
Speaker 1: the match, but the Osirius Torrence. He said in the
Speaker 1: first round Osirius Torrance, first round, Jalen Hyatt is your
Speaker 1: second round pick. I'm not gonna fight that. That's yours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fight I'm not gonna fight that situation.
Speaker 1: I think you get goodness on both sides. Now. I
Speaker 1: know that you guys talked about Osiris yesterday. I was
Speaker 1: listening to you guys talk about I'm more critical of
Speaker 1: him than I think than Dane is, just because if
Speaker 1: he continues to lose weight, I think I'll be okay
Speaker 1: with this one. And I think he can get in
Speaker 1: shape here. But too if you put him. You talk
Speaker 1: about Salari and those guys, they like a lot of
Speaker 1: combo blocks, all that stuff. Man, put them next to Tyler.
Speaker 1: You might be just moving people out the way on
Speaker 1: a very strength lip strength and strength going up against
Speaker 1: anybody clip and then Hyatt obviously like being able to
Speaker 1: stretch the field and all that stuff. I think I
Speaker 1: will be eye with that. What is your what do
Speaker 1: you see when you see Osirius Torrance because we're looking
Speaker 1: at footage of them. Now, what oh out of Wisconsin
Speaker 1: way back in the day. Who was that? No, Eric
Speaker 1: Gibson was a tackle from Wisconsin that the Lions took.
Speaker 1: He was massive. He was three hundred and seventy something
Speaker 1: pounds ended up here in Dallas for a little bhiit.
Speaker 1: He was so big, but he just couldn't move. He
Speaker 1: just couldn't. Bobby's being a troll. That's six six, three seventy.
Speaker 1: That's o Cyrus Torren's basic head in the NFL up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Especial especially made helmet. Yeah, I think that to me,
Speaker 1: I know he's not hearing. GiB I'm kidding. I knew
Speaker 1: you were dying. Still makes me laugh. It does make
Speaker 1: me laugh because that pick was made. I'm like, I went, oh,
Speaker 1: not in a good way. I'm sitting in a draft
Speaker 1: room and went, oh, like that. The only thing that
Speaker 1: was the only thing that I think I had my
Speaker 1: computer just died. My bad job. But that's probably the
Speaker 1: only thing I had downe about him is like his feet.
Speaker 1: But that was something that with even with Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: did I was kind of like because coming out of
Speaker 1: his stance last when he was uh well in college,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the best all the time. His feet sometimes
Speaker 1: for a big reason why, Like his kickstep was a
Speaker 1: big reason why he was messing stuff up. But with Osiris,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's he's a guard, Like he's he's not
Speaker 1: gonna have to be in space as much or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I do understand why y'all say his feet kind
Speaker 1: of look heavy. It looked so strong seeing strong. That
Speaker 1: was the difference with Tyler. Though Tyler was not heavy footed.
Speaker 1: Tyler was sloppy, yeah, and Tyler needed stuff cleaned up. Oh,
Speaker 1: Cyrus's looks heavy, yeah, but like the technique is all
Speaker 1: Tyler needed. Tyler's nimble and he's quick and he's a
Speaker 1: good athlete. Right, I don't know, like I if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna spend resources on an offensive lineman in the first round.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that I wanted to be Osirius Torrens,
Speaker 1: Like like I mean, like I think that there's enough
Speaker 1: talent that they're building on this offensive line right now
Speaker 1: that I don't know that Torrens is the guy that
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to pass up, but I think is
Speaker 1: probably a better receiver and probably a better corner at
Speaker 1: that same spot. Okay, yeah, I mean, I'm just hopeful.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be against towards if he's drafted here.
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm against I'm not against it. I'm
Speaker 1: just not. Please please please, you can't. The strength is there,
Speaker 1: there's no question, and I is just right. You put
Speaker 1: him and Smith next to each other, and you got
Speaker 1: Martin and what they're doing on the other side over
Speaker 1: there with Steel and you know this, this head coach
Speaker 1: wants to get back to really running the football. You
Speaker 1: helped yourself running the football. You clearly helped yourself running
Speaker 1: the football. Well, I like, I like, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think is a villa Via. Rather mean I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about technique, I feel like he's one
Speaker 1: of his hands are some of the best. Think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when you talk about, you know, maybe gett into
Speaker 1: the second I wouldn't. I mean not in the first
Speaker 1: round obviously, but if we're talking about we're not going
Speaker 1: to take an offensive offensive linement early, if this guy
Speaker 1: is available, I would. I just really seriously feel like
Speaker 1: he would fig very well. If you pass up Torrents,
Speaker 1: you pass up that opportunity or he doesn't fall. You
Speaker 1: got a body type that's very similar. I think a
Speaker 1: Via is not a Then I'm gonna use the word sloppy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think that. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but can a Via play center? Yes he can? He did.
Speaker 1: He played a lot of right and he did at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and I felt like he wants something.
Speaker 1: He lose, he lost something, but just showing the ability
Speaker 1: to do that when we talk about like what is
Speaker 1: his offensive line need, Like obviously you talk about Matt
Speaker 1: Farniac and he can move everywhere, but like there's no
Speaker 1: short fire backup center. Yeah, Like so I just I
Speaker 1: don't think he would move the center with this team.
Speaker 1: I think a team might Tea eighteen might. But I
Speaker 1: when you mentioned the sloppiness of or whatever, Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1: In set Cyrus has cement shoes. Yes, yes, I don't
Speaker 1: see that from a Via. Can I say someth about
Speaker 1: Henley real quick? That linebacker? Yes that's due, Yeah, go
Speaker 1: ahead and fired, go for the No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I just like him. I like him in coverage, dude,
Speaker 1: Like I was just so impressed with him coverage wise,
Speaker 1: Like I think I think in this and that Henley, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy is a downhill player. Yea. He is good
Speaker 1: in the open field. He's got really he reads well,
Speaker 1: he's got really good technique. He's not going to be
Speaker 1: out of position. He could play it pass carriage. Looking
Speaker 1: at you, You've got notes over there saying that if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken to see a former receiver he transferred from.
Speaker 1: He transferred from Nevada is where he went, and he
Speaker 1: went the former safety and receiver, and so you can
Speaker 1: really see that. Yeah, you can play a coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the movement, the instincts, you can. He can carry guys
Speaker 1: and it clearly can do. I think that's important in
Speaker 1: this league. Now. I think that we see him times.
Speaker 1: Recruited to Washington State as a receiver, caught eight balls
Speaker 1: for one hundred and three yards in three touchdowns as
Speaker 1: a freshman in twenty seventeen. He runs routes four guys
Speaker 1: sometimes and I just said Nevada, Sorry at it as
Speaker 1: a linebacker in this league now, like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: a guy that can come downhill, but I also want
Speaker 1: a guy that can cover when it's necessary, because that's
Speaker 1: seems like where a lot of coordinators are taking advantage
Speaker 1: of defenses now is like, can you're a linebacker covert too?
Speaker 1: Because we go tear him up? Do we may could
Speaker 1: determination what we would all do? Then on under his
Speaker 1: key he said five, She said scenario one. Did you
Speaker 1: have a favorite? A little bit? Me personally, I think
Speaker 1: the best players there are the one is the Bijan
Speaker 1: Robinson one myself, Yeah, I like, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: but that a lot depends what these guys do with
Speaker 1: a tag with moving on from guys and all that
Speaker 1: stuff like early this is just if you're a draft scenario,
Speaker 1: if you if you tell me who the best players are,
Speaker 1: the ones you just named, that scenario is the best
Speaker 1: the best players in the best second round player on
Speaker 1: that list is Keiley Ringo. The best first round players
Speaker 1: b Gen Robinson, and they're in the same stack. There's
Speaker 1: to me, there's zero chance if Bijan was there in
Speaker 1: the first and Ringo is there in second, there's zero
Speaker 1: chance there's a better player than either of them at
Speaker 1: those picks. The thing about it, too, is the likely
Speaker 1: scenario I think is number five. Last five is not
Speaker 1: the likeliest. Oh no, I'm sorry. The one with the
Speaker 1: guard with with O Cyrus Yeah, that's why I put
Speaker 1: it first, because it's hi will be interest. I think
Speaker 1: that'll be close. I think high. It's small for them too, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just like that. I think eleven Bobby's gonna eliminate
Speaker 1: everyone of these slight. It's a bunch of slight receivers.
Speaker 1: But so many of them are small, dude, and like
Speaker 1: just like even with the cornerbacks, like so many of
Speaker 1: them are long. All the receiver, all the receivers have
Speaker 1: warts this year, I think see And I like the
Speaker 1: second scenario with Jordan Addison and Jackson Smith and jig Bu.
Speaker 1: I would probably say Jordan Addison, he's above Jackson right now,
Speaker 1: just because of the injury concerns. When Jack Campbell in
Speaker 1: the second round, that'd be my favorite. And I think
Speaker 1: out of the bunch, but yeah, there's uh, there's our
Speaker 1: second draft show this week. We'll be backbacks gonna tear
Speaker 1: it up. The quarterbacks. The people are gonna I think
Speaker 1: that whatever happens at quarterback, especially since so many I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of teams are in need of
Speaker 1: a quarterback at first round, bring them on, pick them
Speaker 1: all before twenty six. Let's little make it happen. Drive
Speaker 1: that drive them players down. Please all right, that's that
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Speaker 1: us Aisha Morrison and Beam. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long,
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