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Speaker 1: in to the Thursday Morning Podcast. Chris Webber Seaweb will
Speaker 1: join us his thoughts on the NBA Playoffs and the
Speaker 1: play game so far so Baker Mayfield did an interview
Speaker 1: on a podcast and he just sort of let it rip,
Speaker 1: let it fly. At one point he said on the field,
Speaker 1: I'm a dickhead that's never changed. He admits he's got
Speaker 1: a Napoleon syndrome. He says he felt disrespected by the Browns,
Speaker 1: and he says he liked to go into somebody's office
Speaker 1: and boo them to see how they crumble. He admitted
Speaker 1: his critics also got to him. You know, Marshall McLuhan
Speaker 1: is a famous scholar of communications. He famously said the
Speaker 1: medium is the message, meaning not so much what you say,
Speaker 1: but how you say it and where you choose to
Speaker 1: say it. Baker was lake house with a bunch of buddies.
Speaker 1: Host is there camo hat drinking a b're very casual,
Speaker 1: it's very let it rip. This is where I think
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's personality has never been right to be a quarterback.
Speaker 1: My wife's an artist. I'm more the compartmentalizer, the observer.
Speaker 1: We have different personalities. We make it work, but I
Speaker 1: will never be able to paint like her, and she
Speaker 1: won't be able to do certain things I can do.
Speaker 1: I think the greatest quarterbacks have talent, but their personalities
Speaker 1: match the position. Tom Brady obviously is a great example.
Speaker 1: So is Peyton Manning. Very calculated, obsessed with preparation, from
Speaker 1: the podium to a podcast, to preparation to the sidelines
Speaker 1: to pre snap. You'll see very brief emotional outbursts a
Speaker 1: fist pump by Brady. Peyton manningle ocasionally bark at his center,
Speaker 1: but they're very much under control. Baker's personality is much
Speaker 1: more comedian, surfer artist, highly emotional letter rip. That, of
Speaker 1: course is a big advantage in surfing or a comedian.
Speaker 1: You lean into your talent, don't overthink it, and just
Speaker 1: let it go. But the Russell Wilson's, the Peyton Mannings,
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady's, they understand being a franchise quarterback, everything
Speaker 1: has to be planned. It's not a letter rip position.
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Baker, Mayfield sort of letter rip personalities.
Speaker 1: Don't think before they speak, often way too casual. It's
Speaker 1: one of my knocks on Drew Locke, the now Seahawk quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't need to know. Baker's got a Napoleon problem.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's interviewing for a job with every other
Speaker 1: GM in the league. Do you think they want a
Speaker 1: quarterback with a short guy complex. Do you think they
Speaker 1: want a quarterback who says he was bothered by the
Speaker 1: criticism and how to get off social A quarterback who
Speaker 1: said I'd like to go into fans cubicles and boo them.
Speaker 1: He's showing weakness, He's showing an inability to control his
Speaker 1: emotions that he doesn't have control of them. They control him. Again,
Speaker 1: There's a reason certain people flourish in certain jobs. I
Speaker 1: talked to myself all day. I was meant to talk.
Speaker 1: It's what I do. I could never have been an artist.
Speaker 1: There are certain positions I just don't have the right
Speaker 1: emotional state for. I think Baker's talented, but he almost
Speaker 1: has a linebacker's personality, a wide receiver's personality, highly emotional,
Speaker 1: very casual, says the first thing that comes into his mind.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of great jobs for that quarterback.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's not perfect. So there was a
Speaker 1: baseball situation yesterday. They got people really worked up. Clayton Kershaw,
Speaker 1: perfect game, after eighty pitches, he was pulled. And this
Speaker 1: is something that's important. First of all, it was game two.
Speaker 1: He's six months off surgery. He's an older pitcher. He's
Speaker 1: very valuable of their World Series chances. It was under
Speaker 1: forty degrees under forty degrees, and this is an older picture. Now,
Speaker 1: managing that arm and his health becomes really important. We
Speaker 1: know this in all sports. I totally understood why the
Speaker 1: Dodgers did it. Folks. Sports are not just there. Athletes
Speaker 1: are not just there. For your personal and enjoy Colin,
Speaker 1: There's only been twenty three perfect games and Clayton Kershaw
Speaker 1: only has one left arm this franchise. The Dodgers are
Speaker 1: favorites to win the World Series. Okay, the perfect game
Speaker 1: is like an award. It's cute. Kershaw's a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer first ballot, his legacy is set. Got one World Series,
Speaker 1: would like to have more over one hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in the bank. Okay, to win an award, throw a
Speaker 1: no hit or perfect game is wonderful. But Clayton Kershaw
Speaker 1: totally understood the situation. Sports is not just there for
Speaker 1: your enjoyment. Big picture. If Clayton Kershaw's twenty four and
Speaker 1: plays for the Mariners or A's with no shot to
Speaker 1: win a World championship, the Royals or the Pirates, and
Speaker 1: he's a kid not coming off surgery and it's game two,
Speaker 1: you go for it. But the bigger picture for the
Speaker 1: Dodgers is we're not risking an injury. I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example. Kevin Durant. Remember years ago he got hurt.
Speaker 1: He came back in for the Warriors in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and there were going to be minute limitations, but he
Speaker 1: came back and he was on fire, and they stretched
Speaker 1: how many minutes he played and he got hurt. Big
Speaker 1: Picture should have pulled him out earlier. You can't just
Speaker 1: go with an older, somewhat brittle athlete. You can't just
Speaker 1: go on current momentum. You have to go into games
Speaker 1: or series with pitch counts or minute limits. So, yes,
Speaker 1: it drives you crazy. Kershaw agreed to it, understood it.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in Chris Webber, the Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Fab five, five time All Star, number one pick Rookie
Speaker 1: the Year, one of my favorite people. I get him
Speaker 1: about once a year and I love it. So I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about Patrick Beverley. And I
Speaker 1: know it's a weird place to start, but but but
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Lambier tackled people, Dennis Rodman was a
Speaker 1: pain in the ass, and you know, as a Fab
Speaker 1: five guy, as a Michigan guy, is that there is
Speaker 1: absolutely in my opinion room for Patrick Beverley. But what
Speaker 1: is the line, Chris, between being physical and screwing with
Speaker 1: guys knees, hurting them like as a pro athlete, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the line is. What is it with
Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley? What does he do that bothers you? And
Speaker 1: what are you okay with? Man? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, I think first, I think
Speaker 1: everybody would want to play with them. In a quick
Speaker 1: Bill Lamber story one of my favorite players ever growing
Speaker 1: up in Detroit, and I used to love it. He's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I love playing on the
Speaker 1: road and would do like this, the booze, the antics.
Speaker 1: He really taught us to embrace. You're gonna get hated anyway. However,
Speaker 1: when I played against some true story my first time
Speaker 1: in the NBA going home, I knew the guy. I
Speaker 1: go up and get a rebound. Happened against the backboard
Speaker 1: to show how high it could jump and go down
Speaker 1: to the court. You know, it's like old trick and
Speaker 1: catching tapped. The next time I go up and I
Speaker 1: see him, he sticks his leg out and I twist
Speaker 1: my ankle. I think maybe seventeen seconds or two minutes
Speaker 1: into the game, something like that, and I was out
Speaker 1: probably six games my rookie year. And so even though
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite players, it's one of the
Speaker 1: dirtiest things that I've seen. So I did the game.
Speaker 1: I believe I commentate the game when he and Westbrook
Speaker 1: pumpans like after a late time out, I don't think
Speaker 1: that was dirty. Because I've seen players do that their
Speaker 1: whole careers. However, I think the answer is not saying
Speaker 1: anything and maybe taking one technical with a quick elbow.
Speaker 1: It's really it's really easy if you don't get caught
Speaker 1: up in an antic, especially in the two three game series,
Speaker 1: it's really easy to shut them down because then they
Speaker 1: start looking like a little clownish. The only way they
Speaker 1: don't look like the clown is when they bring you
Speaker 1: into the argument and you have to try to figure
Speaker 1: out who's really you know, active who's the bad actorings, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's what he did with Morris. He got
Speaker 1: him worked up, he got into his head. Was there
Speaker 1: ever a guy in the league that was a talker
Speaker 1: with you and try to reel you in? Not a talker?
Speaker 1: Because you couldn't get me that way. So if you
Speaker 1: wanted to slide under the Collins brothers, I hated playing
Speaker 1: them Naharah Mattson. Any guy then that would fly smarten,
Speaker 1: use their brain, get in front of you. But I
Speaker 1: hated those guys because they got the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: They're beating you up just as much and they're getting
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. And to me, those guys
Speaker 1: were I'm gonna say just as a fact that they
Speaker 1: don't have the winning record of a Rotten and but
Speaker 1: in games they're just as you know, as effective as
Speaker 1: a Beverty as well. So yeah, those guys I used
Speaker 1: to I used to hate hate playing this stuff guys.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you necessarily to pick
Speaker 1: a series, but I want to talk kind of fundamentally
Speaker 1: holistically about the league. So I don't buy the Celtics
Speaker 1: and I don't buy the Heat. And my reason is,
Speaker 1: and I do buy Brooklyn because my theory is when
Speaker 1: the playoffs start, refs swallow the whistle, they get out
Speaker 1: of the way, and this is when stars can really
Speaker 1: manipulate marginal players and average players. And outside of Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: Celtics don't have a closer out. I don't think Miami
Speaker 1: does have a closer. I think Jimmy's just a great athlete,
Speaker 1: same with Bam and so Brooklyn's got so many things.
Speaker 1: I don't like, their size, their bench, the lack of chemistry.
Speaker 1: They're so KD Kyrie centric. Would you rather play a
Speaker 1: Boston who grinds your ass on the defensive end? Who
Speaker 1: has they don't have the star power, but every time
Speaker 1: down the floor, or would you rather play you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of team but they don't have stars or
Speaker 1: a Brooklyn who's got two guys that are unstoppable, but
Speaker 1: all sorts of holes all over the team. I remember
Speaker 1: playing against Dallas, who at the time had the fastest pace.
Speaker 1: It was Finley, Nash and Dirt. Remember those teams, you
Speaker 1: don't want to play them. You just don't because you
Speaker 1: just have no rest of thought because when those three
Speaker 1: on the court, you really have to be engaged every
Speaker 1: single player, every because every play is a threat. I
Speaker 1: really thought Cleveland could have come back. I told someone
Speaker 1: I called him early in the second half. I said,
Speaker 1: Cleveland's going to come back and win this game. But
Speaker 1: I didn't take into effect that Duran is one of
Speaker 1: the best shooters ever to play, right. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: could definitely, you know, I'm like you, I would take them,
Speaker 1: but I would rather, you know, play a team that
Speaker 1: doesn't have those options in the Boston and that as well.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, so you're basically what you're saying Brooklyn
Speaker 1: does is they put such immense pressure on you because
Speaker 1: if you're not alert, they will score it. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean the shots that Katie was hitting into me and
Speaker 1: basketball the hardest shot in the game. And Jordan Master
Speaker 1: m k D Master. You can Curry's mastered every shot.
Speaker 1: Kobe Master is too dribble pull up going baseline because
Speaker 1: you really don't know how to check the guy if
Speaker 1: you pump fakes, can you continue to go? And the
Speaker 1: shots that Kade was hitting, you know, it was terrible.
Speaker 1: It was great defense, and he pulls up and shoots
Speaker 1: that tough shot that really if you're another team, if
Speaker 1: anybody else but those two, I'm taking my chances with
Speaker 1: that shot, making the guy take a shot off the
Speaker 1: dribble fading right too. And so I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: just it gets so deflating. It's almost like a dump
Speaker 1: used to be worth more than two points because it
Speaker 1: would take the air out of your team. And it's
Speaker 1: it's the same way as a bomb. It's seven points,
Speaker 1: but you know it hurts more than the one yard running.
Speaker 1: So you know, I totally agree with you in that theory.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people you know, are
Speaker 1: over they have two high expectations on Boston. I feel
Speaker 1: you that way. I think people don't take for granted
Speaker 1: you need a couple closures in the playoffs, and you know,
Speaker 1: one of those guys get cold, you can go to another.
Speaker 1: And that's why Brooklyn and he has, you know, definitely advantage.
Speaker 1: What tell me the difference between regular season and playoff basketball,
Speaker 1: Like last night, they don't count the playing game as
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I said on the air, I said,
Speaker 1: that's playoff basketball. You can call it whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But even the officiating they were letting guys bump, you
Speaker 1: know they I felt watching and I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: playoff basketball. You can call it whatever. So you tell
Speaker 1: me go back to your career, Like where could you
Speaker 1: really tell because you notice rookies getting tighter, young guys
Speaker 1: getting tighter. I think two things for me, how loud
Speaker 1: the fans were, Like everything was just over exaggerated, Like
Speaker 1: now's the time you become a start, Like the guy
Speaker 1: off the bistic gets one minute and one still there's
Speaker 1: a hundred people outside waiting for him if you get
Speaker 1: to win. So just that you feel you WWF. You
Speaker 1: know you can cut the intensity with a not if
Speaker 1: you really feel that. I always used to really notice that.
Speaker 1: And then second, how tired you would get in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, Like I can't explain I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, is that nerves enginer, is that how you're
Speaker 1: boring up is everything? But it was almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: you have no more excuses and you've been waiting, even emotionally,
Speaker 1: to put everything into this moment. And so I think
Speaker 1: it really is the energy and how do you make
Speaker 1: sure you give your all the times but still conserved
Speaker 1: at times you don't need to waste it pumping up
Speaker 1: the crowd, you know, so you know the crowd, and
Speaker 1: then kind of how your body reacted to the moment.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of special. So when you
Speaker 1: go over to the Western side, a team that I
Speaker 1: find really interesting, Golden State. So Jordan Pool is now
Speaker 1: emerging as a star. Clay Thompson's not quite what he
Speaker 1: was off injury, and when Clay plays a lot of minutes,
Speaker 1: I think it hinders Jordan Pool. And I think everybody
Speaker 1: knows that on the roster. But Clays your guy, Okay, Clays,
Speaker 1: you're dude. You travel with them, You've probably got into weddings,
Speaker 1: you get into a weird situation where everybody in the
Speaker 1: damn rooms like, should do Jordan Pool needs to play
Speaker 1: forty two minutes? Tell me how difficult that is when
Speaker 1: one of your guys, you know, he's eroding, he's not ascending,
Speaker 1: and here comes the young buck. Can it screw with chemistry?
Speaker 1: So I heard you today, and I hope that for
Speaker 1: fans sake. You know, I love it when you go
Speaker 1: off on tangents or rabbit holes, and I hope that
Speaker 1: you really go down the rabbit hole of the draft.
Speaker 1: Pick does not mean as much in big cities anymore,
Speaker 1: and you're so right, you need to really go down
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. I'm sure the researchers can get you
Speaker 1: a lot of them. LA didn't get shocked, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't draft, So I totally you know, I agree
Speaker 1: with you on that. However, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can answer this question and not be sentimental. I think
Speaker 1: that's the problem that Clay gives. They are a dynasty.
Speaker 1: They were a dynasty. You're right in every way, but
Speaker 1: I'm just adding the motion which you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: take an effect for fans and other things, especially if
Speaker 1: you don't win one and you're betting on Pool, who
Speaker 1: is gonna be great. But you know you would do
Speaker 1: that to Clay and he's not yet a full year
Speaker 1: in Uh. You know he this dynasty never got a
Speaker 1: chance to win once we saw a team get hurt
Speaker 1: or Katie get hurt. You know, this unfinished business. He's
Speaker 1: you know, of course Draymama, the last vestiges of that soul.
Speaker 1: If you are right, I would not want to be
Speaker 1: part of that. I was in Detroit again Pisiness band
Speaker 1: when we had a parade, and I think the next
Speaker 1: day and Rick Moore said, oh, thank you for helping
Speaker 1: me lose all this weight. I love you. Like three
Speaker 1: days later he was trading for I believe Mark require
Speaker 1: and I mean as a pistess bander and we won,
Speaker 1: but I was just hurting man, and I would not
Speaker 1: want to be the man that trading play Thompson because
Speaker 1: if it what works, like there's anything but a championship works,
Speaker 1: And if not, I think keeping him around still trying
Speaker 1: to win a championship may be the best. But I
Speaker 1: do think that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen, this
Speaker 1: is all It's a relationship business. I mean, the truth
Speaker 1: is Steph Curry has made the owner a billion dollars
Speaker 1: easily in in value of franchise. In marketing sales, you
Speaker 1: do sometimes have to go to your star and say,
Speaker 1: hey man, this is this is a go either way decision,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think I gotta get more
Speaker 1: form though, I gotta get more and I think you
Speaker 1: said Athony Davis earlier, I'm not I'm not taking him.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: taking him for Clay for the community because it is relationship.
Speaker 1: So right, if we're gonna do that, we gotta go.
Speaker 1: We gotta go get maybe Bill and someone else and
Speaker 1: give up our picks. Because I really believe you on that.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think you know, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go for a super superstar because that's who I
Speaker 1: believe he would. I still believe he has two years
Speaker 1: is left to be ever, so let's go to that.
Speaker 1: Let's pivot to the Lakers that I'm I think people
Speaker 1: tell you are who they are. I think it was
Speaker 1: Maya Angelo who said that people tell you who they are,
Speaker 1: believe them. So when Ad came in out of shape
Speaker 1: off the Bubble Championship, I mean, Lebron is sitting everything
Speaker 1: in time out. I'm obsessed with this sport, dude. I
Speaker 1: just need you to be in shape as a pro athlete,
Speaker 1: I would have moved off him there by low sell high.
Speaker 1: Now with the injuries, this is who he is. He's
Speaker 1: showing you who he is. He's not a workout fiend.
Speaker 1: It's not really a leader. He's hella talented, but he's
Speaker 1: hurt increasingly more. What was your feeling when you were
Speaker 1: in the game about athletes that get hurt? Is it
Speaker 1: bad form to move off them? Or did you always
Speaker 1: feel like, hey man, some dudes they just they can't
Speaker 1: give you eighty two. They can mean how did as
Speaker 1: a pro athlete, how do you view that? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was plagued by injuries or like ankle injuries, things
Speaker 1: like that. So AD's last injury you can tell like
Speaker 1: it wasn't as fault, you know, like Curry suffered injuries.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, if you're gonna get injured,
Speaker 1: I want to know what guy will work is, you know,
Speaker 1: tail off to come back the fastest. So then I
Speaker 1: have to take your work ethic into a kind And
Speaker 1: so I do think some guys is unfair. And I
Speaker 1: do think as an athlete, you work out a lot
Speaker 1: so that you can feel confident that you won't have
Speaker 1: those breakdowns, and then you look at guys that don't
Speaker 1: work out, and you say, see, that's why. And so
Speaker 1: it's not even the injuries, you know, I just I
Speaker 1: just go back to the previous memory of anybody playing
Speaker 1: with Lebron. That's how I just played because I know
Speaker 1: it's a different day and you can win championships, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, my generation should kind of admire
Speaker 1: the fact that you can go play with friends and
Speaker 1: free agency. But at the same time, you know, watching
Speaker 1: a guy like Dirk even though he won a championship,
Speaker 1: but you knew he was a winner even before if
Speaker 1: he would have never won one because of how you
Speaker 1: knew he put Dallas on his back and he could
Speaker 1: trust that he just needed help. I never felt that
Speaker 1: way with a d that he just needed help. I
Speaker 1: felt that he could be that missing piece for someone else,
Speaker 1: but that no one else could be that. And I
Speaker 1: don't know when he's proven that. That's why he's a
Speaker 1: wonderful talent. But you know, I I'm just looking, you know,
Speaker 1: and he had some big shots with Lebron. I get that,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're talking about him being an outfit,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know when when that's worked.
Speaker 1: So I'm not as high on an injury or not
Speaker 1: being the number being the number one guy. If Lebron's
Speaker 1: number one team Lebrons on the team, he could be
Speaker 1: number one and Sid I'm not the Clippers. I had
Speaker 1: a good source inside the Clippers that told me when
Speaker 1: a D was on the market, they didn't think he
Speaker 1: was a a leader or be top. They thought he
Speaker 1: was gifted, and they didn't think he would play through injuries.
Speaker 1: They didn't think he worked out enough. Now they've had
Speaker 1: their own troubles with Paul George and Kawhi Leonards staying healthy,
Speaker 1: but they the idea was everybody loved a D and
Speaker 1: the Clippers have a very shrewd, very deep roster, very
Speaker 1: shrewd front office. They didn't love him and and their
Speaker 1: their takeaway was he has to be led. He can't lead.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Chris, all years you played, how many
Speaker 1: guys were great leaders? Truthfully? Not maybe maybe to a
Speaker 1: roster amen and maybe and sometimes the best player when
Speaker 1: I was younger. Maybe he didn't want to be the
Speaker 1: leader because he was figuring out some other things and
Speaker 1: was like, I'll let you guys kind of figure it out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, or maybe they just
Speaker 1: let individually saying, hey, this is how you stay in shape,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not going to the team signings
Speaker 1: and things like that. So when you find a guy
Speaker 1: like that, when you find someone that you admire, they
Speaker 1: have game and that is very rare, and usually it's
Speaker 1: the star player and a guy that has been through
Speaker 1: everything and doesn't want you to waste your chance. And
Speaker 1: so no, it's it's you really have to learn that
Speaker 1: as well, because every guy, no matter how confident they are,
Speaker 1: you know, with the most confident in sports. But again
Speaker 1: we're still fans of the game, and therefore there's that insecurity.
Speaker 1: You follow sport a long time, whether leagues out of enviews,
Speaker 1: whether leagues out in the way you treat people, where
Speaker 1: the leagues out of something. After the game, you know,
Speaker 1: you can kind of see those areas, so to say,
Speaker 1: great leaders man, yeah maybe maybe yeah, yeah, maybe two
Speaker 1: or three a team okay, HBO winning time, Not sure
Speaker 1: if you seen it. It's the Jeff Perlman book on
Speaker 1: the Championship Lakers. Speaking the leadership Magic Johnson, you had
Speaker 1: prickly stoic Kareem, you had a crazy owner, Norm Nixon,
Speaker 1: and here came Magic, big personality, budding heads, a lot
Speaker 1: of pushback, obviously a great leader. As a Michigan kid, yeah,
Speaker 1: as a Pistons fan, how how did you view he
Speaker 1: went to Michigan State, he was he was on the
Speaker 1: other team, the Lakers. Did you hate Magic as a player?
Speaker 1: I remember I remember Michael Jackson coming out in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four, and I remember screaming to my mom, like,
Speaker 1: please do Billy Jane. I remember that. I think it
Speaker 1: was more Time twenty fifth. I remember remember where I was.
Speaker 1: I remember where I was when Magic got out of
Speaker 1: the limo and Saftbird and I ran around the house screaming.
Speaker 1: I remember it, like, oh, what's going on? Like I
Speaker 1: was the biggest Magic Johnson fan in the world. His
Speaker 1: father worked in the factory. He was from Lansing, Michigan.
Speaker 1: I got to meet him in seventh grade. His smile,
Speaker 1: he was tall in the point guard, he got to
Speaker 1: push the ball. He was in the video with New Edition.
Speaker 1: I think it was secret like a video, but this
Speaker 1: is my favorite. You know, he was cool and he
Speaker 1: was like a man of the people, and so I
Speaker 1: loved them, I you know, and growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up loving Michigan and Michigan State, so I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, who he was. As a Pistons fan, it
Speaker 1: was like the only situation where you could like the
Speaker 1: Lakers in their fake Hollywood ways because you knew they
Speaker 1: had sincerity from Michigan there. But when we beat them,
Speaker 1: I wanted to beat them more than anything, and I
Speaker 1: wanted Isaiah to get off. I wanted to beat them.
Speaker 1: But you know, he has to be him Bird a
Speaker 1: couple other guys has to be my favorite players of
Speaker 1: all time. So he was our doctor Jay. He was
Speaker 1: the world of basketball. And I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: love La. I remember, like, you know, putting in the
Speaker 1: BCR watching tapes, watching tapes in the VCR of just
Speaker 1: the opening scene of we Beat La Beat La from
Speaker 1: the Screams in Boston and those type of things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: magic Magic was you know, we're always point. I used
Speaker 1: to take my fingers like him because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe that could make you drive them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He's magic man. So yeah, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a series that I'm trying to wait so I can
Speaker 1: bench watch it all. I can't wait. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, to have leadership like that as well,
Speaker 1: from getting in the seat to and also I say
Speaker 1: one more thing. The best leaders to me are the
Speaker 1: ones that like shut up when it's time to work.
Speaker 1: And from what I know about Magic, the practices were
Speaker 1: legendary because as hard as Riley and others work on him,
Speaker 1: he was always ready in the shape. Some people just
Speaker 1: had a motor like that, like Jordan stay able to
Speaker 1: do all that. And part of that leadership is not
Speaker 1: just being able to be a row rock guy, but
Speaker 1: then trusting that you're gonna get on the line with
Speaker 1: him after a rough night and run some express as well.
Speaker 1: So the other day I had former Metal World Peace
Speaker 1: I think his name is Meta Santa for our test. Now.
Speaker 1: I hope I got that right. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: I said, man, we can't normalize all these stars missing games.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a kid from a small town. I went
Speaker 1: to a Sonics game every three years of downtown. Freddie
Speaker 1: Brown and Gus Williams and Jack Smickaman didn't play. It's
Speaker 1: bad man. It was sad for me. And he said,
Speaker 1: he said something very interesting, Chris. He said, listen, man,
Speaker 1: these guys now in the last three or four years
Speaker 1: are making thirty forty million dollars. They're young people like
Speaker 1: it's a lot, and they they are hanging out with
Speaker 1: Hollywood A listers. They're making more than movie stars. And
Speaker 1: he said, I think over time they'll get adjusted to it.
Speaker 1: A lot thrown at him. They've never made more money.
Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, he goes, it was six seven
Speaker 1: years ago a guy could make nine million and that
Speaker 1: was money. Now it's thirty five, and the new CBA
Speaker 1: benefits the star player. They make more than ever. And
Speaker 1: it was an interesting takeaway. And I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: you know what, I remember my first big contract that
Speaker 1: was like thirty two. Thirty two, not twenty two. You
Speaker 1: get ahead of yourself a little bit. You start thinking
Speaker 1: you're really, you know, a little bit greater than you are.
Speaker 1: Your takeaway on the missing of games by stars, do
Speaker 1: you think some of it is we're just transitioning a
Speaker 1: lot of money last four years. Guys, are you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, feeling themselves a little or are you
Speaker 1: genuinely long term worried about it. I'm a little worried
Speaker 1: about it because it's part of the culture. So it
Speaker 1: starts with the team, you know, it starts with the
Speaker 1: team going from when I played. We would be in
Speaker 1: practice after getting hurt in a game a Wednesday. That
Speaker 1: doesn't matter in Milwaukee I'm talking about doesn't matter, but
Speaker 1: because the culture of it is to eat a steak
Speaker 1: and yell at a guy and feel good about yourself
Speaker 1: through that. Getting any better through practice but running lines
Speaker 1: and things that have nothing to do with getting in shape.
Speaker 1: That mentality. Remember the joke, team takes years off of
Speaker 1: guy's careers. It was a joke, but it wasn't a joke.
Speaker 1: Guys were not joking about it, and so kind of
Speaker 1: that over exaggerated sense of man up and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: when really it should have been like, hey, guys, we
Speaker 1: just had a sixth game and seven nights when y'all
Speaker 1: need a day off. But it was always a bigg
Speaker 1: who so one that really messed it up. So two
Speaker 1: teams trying to fix it and then validating rest is
Speaker 1: what opened the flood base. My friend, when you have
Speaker 1: a team saying you know, hey, guys, just let me
Speaker 1: know how you're feeling, then you know my loyalty to
Speaker 1: my feeling, not to getting through it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to walk the treadmail and get up every morning, but
Speaker 1: if I don't think about my feelings, I'll get through
Speaker 1: it and overall it helps my body. So I think
Speaker 1: the team gave away out third. You know, when you
Speaker 1: did that at thirty two, or I did that in
Speaker 1: my twenties, we were like going against the grain, like
Speaker 1: you you knew there were better stories, or don't do this,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, now it's the culture of you know,
Speaker 1: why not? You know you should be doing this right,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think anytime you're going anytime,
Speaker 1: the culture seems to be going in the way of
Speaker 1: rest or. You know, when I played with Ai, this
Speaker 1: is so true. You know, so many things are over exaggerated,
Speaker 1: but he really played every game and you could say ego,
Speaker 1: you could say pride, but he always started with somebody
Speaker 1: in the arena that never saw it. And maybe you
Speaker 1: have to be that good sometime to realize, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make this kid's life. Maybe maybe it has to
Speaker 1: be that because sick when those guys knew it, because shoot,
Speaker 1: the game didn't come on TV. It was late and late,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe it was more special, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, I could a little worried
Speaker 1: about that, but I do believe, you know, in the
Speaker 1: optimism of meta. You know, I do think it can
Speaker 1: come back. But we used to be like, we make
Speaker 1: the money, money don't make us. Now we might do
Speaker 1: something stupid with the money and you know, lose our mind.
Speaker 1: But the principle was, you know, we played the game.
Speaker 1: Money doesn't make you good my paycheck. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you make one of me, I'm gonna show you by
Speaker 1: like you know. So that worries me that the the
Speaker 1: spirit of the spirit of it has changed as opposed
Speaker 1: to what guys were doing. Yeah, No, I think there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of cultural changes. Um, it's harder to
Speaker 1: hard coach a player. I mean even I mean Chuck
Speaker 1: Daly had Hall of famers, he coached them hard, pat
Speaker 1: Riley hard. Yes, it's hard. That hard coaching thing, Chris,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't really exist anymore. No, No, thank
Speaker 1: you for coming to work today. Hey, it's great seeing him, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Hey, thanks for having them all right
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