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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, Welcome 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: in to the Thursday Morning Podcast. Chris Webber Seaweb will 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: join us his thoughts on the NBA Playoffs and the 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: play game so far so Baker Mayfield did an interview 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: on a podcast and he just sort of let it rip, 16 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: let it fly. At one point he said on the field, 17 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm a dickhead that's never changed. He admits he's got 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: a Napoleon syndrome. He says he felt disrespected by the Browns, 19 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: and he says he liked to go into somebody's office 20 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: and boo them to see how they crumble. He admitted 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: his critics also got to him. You know, Marshall McLuhan 22 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: is a famous scholar of communications. He famously said the 23 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: medium is the message, meaning not so much what you say, 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: but how you say it and where you choose to 25 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: say it. Baker was lake house with a bunch of buddies. 26 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Host is there camo hat drinking a b're very casual, 27 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: it's very let it rip. This is where I think 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's personality has never been right to be a quarterback. 29 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: My wife's an artist. I'm more the compartmentalizer, the observer. 30 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: We have different personalities. We make it work, but I 31 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: will never be able to paint like her, and she 32 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: won't be able to do certain things I can do. 33 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: I think the greatest quarterbacks have talent, but their personalities 34 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: match the position. Tom Brady obviously is a great example. 35 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: So is Peyton Manning. Very calculated, obsessed with preparation, from 36 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: the podium to a podcast, to preparation to the sidelines 37 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: to pre snap. You'll see very brief emotional outbursts a 38 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: fist pump by Brady. Peyton manningle ocasionally bark at his center, 39 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: but they're very much under control. Baker's personality is much 40 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: more comedian, surfer artist, highly emotional letter rip. That, of 41 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: course is a big advantage in surfing or a comedian. 42 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: You lean into your talent, don't overthink it, and just 43 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: let it go. But the Russell Wilson's, the Peyton Mannings, 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: the Tom Brady's, they understand being a franchise quarterback, everything 45 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: has to be planned. It's not a letter rip position. 46 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Baker, Mayfield sort of letter rip personalities. 47 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Don't think before they speak, often way too casual. It's 48 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: one of my knocks on Drew Locke, the now Seahawk quarterback. 49 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to know. Baker's got a Napoleon problem. 50 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Right now, he's interviewing for a job with every other 51 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: GM in the league. Do you think they want a 52 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: quarterback with a short guy complex. Do you think they 53 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: want a quarterback who says he was bothered by the 54 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: criticism and how to get off social A quarterback who 55 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: said I'd like to go into fans cubicles and boo them. 56 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: He's showing weakness, He's showing an inability to control his 57 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: emotions that he doesn't have control of them. They control him. Again, 58 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: There's a reason certain people flourish in certain jobs. I 59 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: talked to myself all day. I was meant to talk. 60 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: It's what I do. I could never have been an artist. 61 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: There are certain positions I just don't have the right 62 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: emotional state for. I think Baker's talented, but he almost 63 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: has a linebacker's personality, a wide receiver's personality, highly emotional, 64 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: very casual, says the first thing that comes into his mind. 65 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: There are a lot of great jobs for that quarterback. 66 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's not perfect. So there was a 67 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: baseball situation yesterday. They got people really worked up. Clayton Kershaw, 68 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: perfect game, after eighty pitches, he was pulled. And this 69 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: is something that's important. First of all, it was game two. 70 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: He's six months off surgery. He's an older pitcher. He's 71 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: very valuable of their World Series chances. It was under 72 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: forty degrees under forty degrees, and this is an older picture. Now, 73 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: managing that arm and his health becomes really important. We 74 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: know this in all sports. I totally understood why the 75 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Dodgers did it. Folks. Sports are not just there. Athletes 76 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: are not just there. For your personal and enjoy Colin, 77 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: There's only been twenty three perfect games and Clayton Kershaw 78 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: only has one left arm this franchise. The Dodgers are 79 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: favorites to win the World Series. Okay, the perfect game 80 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: is like an award. It's cute. Kershaw's a Hall of 81 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: Famer first ballot, his legacy is set. Got one World Series, 82 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: would like to have more over one hundred million dollars 83 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: in the bank. Okay, to win an award, throw a 84 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: no hit or perfect game is wonderful. But Clayton Kershaw 85 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: totally understood the situation. Sports is not just there for 86 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: your enjoyment. Big picture. If Clayton Kershaw's twenty four and 87 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: plays for the Mariners or A's with no shot to 88 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: win a World championship, the Royals or the Pirates, and 89 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: he's a kid not coming off surgery and it's game two, 90 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: you go for it. But the bigger picture for the 91 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Dodgers is we're not risking an injury. I'll give you 92 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: an example. Kevin Durant. Remember years ago he got hurt. 93 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: He came back in for the Warriors in the playoffs, 94 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: and there were going to be minute limitations, but he 95 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: came back and he was on fire, and they stretched 96 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: how many minutes he played and he got hurt. Big 97 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Picture should have pulled him out earlier. You can't just 98 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: go with an older, somewhat brittle athlete. You can't just 99 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: go on current momentum. You have to go into games 100 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: or series with pitch counts or minute limits. So, yes, 101 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: it drives you crazy. 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And I 141 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: know it's a weird place to start, but but but 142 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, Bill Lambier tackled people, Dennis Rodman was a 143 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: pain in the ass, and you know, as a Fab 144 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: five guy, as a Michigan guy, is that there is 145 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: absolutely in my opinion room for Patrick Beverley. But what 146 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: is the line, Chris, between being physical and screwing with 147 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: guys knees, hurting them like as a pro athlete, I 148 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: don't know what the line is. What is it with 149 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley? What does he do that bothers you? And 150 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: what are you okay with? Man? That's a great question. 151 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, I think first, I think 152 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: everybody would want to play with them. In a quick 153 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: Bill Lamber story one of my favorite players ever growing 154 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: up in Detroit, and I used to love it. He's 155 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I love playing on the 156 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: road and would do like this, the booze, the antics. 157 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: He really taught us to embrace. You're gonna get hated anyway. However, 158 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: when I played against some true story my first time 159 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: in the NBA going home, I knew the guy. I 160 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: go up and get a rebound. Happened against the backboard 161 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: to show how high it could jump and go down 162 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: to the court. You know, it's like old trick and 163 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: catching tapped. The next time I go up and I 164 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: see him, he sticks his leg out and I twist 165 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: my ankle. I think maybe seventeen seconds or two minutes 166 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: into the game, something like that, and I was out 167 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: probably six games my rookie year. And so even though 168 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite players, it's one of the 169 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: dirtiest things that I've seen. So I did the game. 170 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: I believe I commentate the game when he and Westbrook 171 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: pumpans like after a late time out, I don't think 172 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that was dirty. Because I've seen players do that their 173 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: whole careers. However, I think the answer is not saying 174 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: anything and maybe taking one technical with a quick elbow. 175 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: It's really it's really easy if you don't get caught 176 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: up in an antic, especially in the two three game series, 177 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: it's really easy to shut them down because then they 178 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: start looking like a little clownish. The only way they 179 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: don't look like the clown is when they bring you 180 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: into the argument and you have to try to figure 181 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: out who's really you know, active who's the bad actorings, Yeah, 182 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: I know that's what he did with Morris. He got 183 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: him worked up, he got into his head. Was there 184 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: ever a guy in the league that was a talker 185 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: with you and try to reel you in? Not a talker? 186 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Because you couldn't get me that way. So if you 187 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: wanted to slide under the Collins brothers, I hated playing 188 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: them Naharah Mattson. Any guy then that would fly smarten, 189 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: use their brain, get in front of you. But I 190 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: hated those guys because they got the benefit of the doubt. 191 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: They're beating you up just as much and they're getting 192 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. And to me, those guys 193 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: were I'm gonna say just as a fact that they 194 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: don't have the winning record of a Rotten and but 195 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: in games they're just as you know, as effective as 196 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: a Beverty as well. So yeah, those guys I used 197 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: to I used to hate hate playing this stuff guys. 198 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you necessarily to pick 199 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: a series, but I want to talk kind of fundamentally 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: holistically about the league. So I don't buy the Celtics 201 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: and I don't buy the Heat. And my reason is, 202 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: and I do buy Brooklyn because my theory is when 203 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs start, refs swallow the whistle, they get out 204 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: of the way, and this is when stars can really 205 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: manipulate marginal players and average players. And outside of Jason Tatum, 206 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: Celtics don't have a closer out. I don't think Miami 207 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: does have a closer. I think Jimmy's just a great athlete, 208 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: same with Bam and so Brooklyn's got so many things. 209 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't like, their size, their bench, the lack of chemistry. 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: They're so KD Kyrie centric. Would you rather play a 211 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: Boston who grinds your ass on the defensive end? Who 212 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: has they don't have the star power, but every time 213 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: down the floor, or would you rather play you know, 214 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: that kind of team but they don't have stars or 215 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: a Brooklyn who's got two guys that are unstoppable, but 216 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: all sorts of holes all over the team. I remember 217 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: playing against Dallas, who at the time had the fastest pace. 218 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: It was Finley, Nash and Dirt. Remember those teams, you 219 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: don't want to play them. You just don't because you 220 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: just have no rest of thought because when those three 221 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: on the court, you really have to be engaged every 222 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: single player, every because every play is a threat. I 223 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: really thought Cleveland could have come back. I told someone 224 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: I called him early in the second half. I said, 225 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland's going to come back and win this game. But 226 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: I didn't take into effect that Duran is one of 227 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: the best shooters ever to play, right. But yeah, I 228 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: could definitely, you know, I'm like you, I would take them, 229 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: but I would rather, you know, play a team that 230 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have those options in the Boston and that as well. 231 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, so you're basically what you're saying Brooklyn 232 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: does is they put such immense pressure on you because 233 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: if you're not alert, they will score it. Well, I 234 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: mean the shots that Katie was hitting into me and 235 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: basketball the hardest shot in the game. And Jordan Master 236 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: m k D Master. You can Curry's mastered every shot. 237 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Kobe Master is too dribble pull up going baseline because 238 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: you really don't know how to check the guy if 239 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: you pump fakes, can you continue to go? And the 240 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: shots that Kade was hitting, you know, it was terrible. 241 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: It was great defense, and he pulls up and shoots 242 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: that tough shot that really if you're another team, if 243 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: anybody else but those two, I'm taking my chances with 244 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: that shot, making the guy take a shot off the 245 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: dribble fading right too. And so I just yeah, I 246 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: just it gets so deflating. It's almost like a dump 247 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: used to be worth more than two points because it 248 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: would take the air out of your team. And it's 249 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: it's the same way as a bomb. It's seven points, 250 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: but you know it hurts more than the one yard running. 251 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: So you know, I totally agree with you in that theory. 252 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people you know, are 253 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: over they have two high expectations on Boston. I feel 254 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: you that way. I think people don't take for granted 255 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: you need a couple closures in the playoffs, and you know, 256 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: one of those guys get cold, you can go to another. 257 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: And that's why Brooklyn and he has, you know, definitely advantage. 258 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: What tell me the difference between regular season and playoff basketball, 259 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: Like last night, they don't count the playing game as 260 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I said on the air, I said, 261 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: that's playoff basketball. You can call it whatever you want. 262 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: But even the officiating they were letting guys bump, you 263 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: know they I felt watching and I'm like, oh, that's 264 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: playoff basketball. You can call it whatever. So you tell 265 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: me go back to your career, Like where could you 266 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: really tell because you notice rookies getting tighter, young guys 267 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: getting tighter. I think two things for me, how loud 268 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: the fans were, Like everything was just over exaggerated, Like 269 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: now's the time you become a start, Like the guy 270 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: off the bistic gets one minute and one still there's 271 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: a hundred people outside waiting for him if you get 272 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: to win. So just that you feel you WWF. You 273 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: know you can cut the intensity with a not if 274 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: you really feel that. I always used to really notice that. 275 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: And then second, how tired you would get in the 276 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: first quarter, Like I can't explain I don't know what 277 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: that is, is that nerves enginer, is that how you're 278 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: boring up is everything? But it was almost like, you know, 279 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: you have no more excuses and you've been waiting, even emotionally, 280 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: to put everything into this moment. And so I think 281 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: it really is the energy and how do you make 282 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: sure you give your all the times but still conserved 283 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: at times you don't need to waste it pumping up 284 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the crowd, you know, so you know the crowd, and 285 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: then kind of how your body reacted to the moment. 286 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of special. So when you 287 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: go over to the Western side, a team that I 288 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: find really interesting, Golden State. So Jordan Pool is now 289 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: emerging as a star. Clay Thompson's not quite what he 290 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: was off injury, and when Clay plays a lot of minutes, 291 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: I think it hinders Jordan Pool. And I think everybody 292 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: knows that on the roster. But Clays your guy, Okay, Clays, 293 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: you're dude. You travel with them, You've probably got into weddings, 294 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: you get into a weird situation where everybody in the 295 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: damn rooms like, should do Jordan Pool needs to play 296 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: forty two minutes? Tell me how difficult that is when 297 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: one of your guys, you know, he's eroding, he's not ascending, 298 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: and here comes the young buck. Can it screw with chemistry? 299 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: So I heard you today, and I hope that for 300 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: fans sake. You know, I love it when you go 301 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: off on tangents or rabbit holes, and I hope that 302 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: you really go down the rabbit hole of the draft. 303 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: Pick does not mean as much in big cities anymore, 304 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and you're so right, you need to really go down 305 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. I'm sure the researchers can get you 306 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: a lot of them. LA didn't get shocked, you know, 307 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: they didn't draft, So I totally you know, I agree 308 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: with you on that. However, I don't know if I 309 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: can answer this question and not be sentimental. I think 310 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: that's the problem that Clay gives. They are a dynasty. 311 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: They were a dynasty. You're right in every way, but 312 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: I'm just adding the motion which you're gonna have to 313 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: take an effect for fans and other things, especially if 314 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: you don't win one and you're betting on Pool, who 315 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: is gonna be great. But you know you would do 316 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: that to Clay and he's not yet a full year 317 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: in Uh. You know he this dynasty never got a 318 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: chance to win once we saw a team get hurt 319 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: or Katie get hurt. You know, this unfinished business. He's 320 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, of course Draymama, the last vestiges of that soul. 321 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: If you are right, I would not want to be 322 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: part of that. I was in Detroit again Pisiness band 323 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: when we had a parade, and I think the next 324 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: day and Rick Moore said, oh, thank you for helping 325 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: me lose all this weight. I love you. Like three 326 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: days later he was trading for I believe Mark require 327 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: and I mean as a pistess bander and we won, 328 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: but I was just hurting man, and I would not 329 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: want to be the man that trading play Thompson because 330 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: if it what works, like there's anything but a championship works, 331 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: And if not, I think keeping him around still trying 332 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: to win a championship may be the best. But I 333 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: do think that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen, this 334 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: is all It's a relationship business. I mean, the truth 335 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: is Steph Curry has made the owner a billion dollars 336 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: easily in in value of franchise. In marketing sales, you 337 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: do sometimes have to go to your star and say, 338 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: hey man, this is this is a go either way decision, 339 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think I gotta get more 340 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: form though, I gotta get more and I think you 341 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: said Athony Davis earlier, I'm not I'm not taking him. 342 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know, I'm not. I'm not 343 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: taking him for Clay for the community because it is relationship. 344 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: So right, if we're gonna do that, we gotta go. 345 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: We gotta go get maybe Bill and someone else and 346 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: give up our picks. Because I really believe you on that. 347 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: But I just don't think you know, we're gonna have 348 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: to go for a super superstar because that's who I 349 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: believe he would. I still believe he has two years 350 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: is left to be ever, so let's go to that. 351 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Let's pivot to the Lakers that I'm I think people 352 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: tell you are who they are. I think it was 353 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: Maya Angelo who said that people tell you who they are, 354 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: believe them. So when Ad came in out of shape 355 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: off the Bubble Championship, I mean, Lebron is sitting everything 356 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: in time out. I'm obsessed with this sport, dude. I 357 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: just need you to be in shape as a pro athlete, 358 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: I would have moved off him there by low sell high. 359 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Now with the injuries, this is who he is. He's 360 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: showing you who he is. He's not a workout fiend. 361 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: It's not really a leader. He's hella talented, but he's 362 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: hurt increasingly more. What was your feeling when you were 363 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: in the game about athletes that get hurt? Is it 364 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: bad form to move off them? Or did you always 365 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: feel like, hey man, some dudes they just they can't 366 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: give you eighty two. They can mean how did as 367 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: a pro athlete, how do you view that? Yeah, and 368 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: I was plagued by injuries or like ankle injuries, things 369 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: like that. So AD's last injury you can tell like 370 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't as fault, you know, like Curry suffered injuries. 371 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: But I think you know, if you're gonna get injured, 372 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: I want to know what guy will work is, you know, 373 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: tail off to come back the fastest. So then I 374 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: have to take your work ethic into a kind And 375 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: so I do think some guys is unfair. And I 376 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: do think as an athlete, you work out a lot 377 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: so that you can feel confident that you won't have 378 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: those breakdowns, and then you look at guys that don't 379 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: work out, and you say, see, that's why. And so 380 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: it's not even the injuries, you know, I just I 381 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: just go back to the previous memory of anybody playing 382 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: with Lebron. That's how I just played because I know 383 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: it's a different day and you can win championships, and 384 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, my generation should kind of admire 385 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: the fact that you can go play with friends and 386 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: free agency. But at the same time, you know, watching 387 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: a guy like Dirk even though he won a championship, 388 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: but you knew he was a winner even before if 389 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: he would have never won one because of how you 390 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: knew he put Dallas on his back and he could 391 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: trust that he just needed help. I never felt that 392 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: way with a d that he just needed help. I 393 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: felt that he could be that missing piece for someone else, 394 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: but that no one else could be that. And I 395 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: don't know when he's proven that. That's why he's a 396 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: wonderful talent. But you know, I I'm just looking, you know, 397 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: and he had some big shots with Lebron. I get that, 398 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: but you know, we're talking about him being an outfit, 399 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know when when that's worked. 400 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: So I'm not as high on an injury or not 401 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: being the number being the number one guy. If Lebron's 402 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: number one team Lebrons on the team, he could be 403 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: number one and Sid I'm not the Clippers. I had 404 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: a good source inside the Clippers that told me when 405 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: a D was on the market, they didn't think he 406 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: was a a leader or be top. They thought he 407 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: was gifted, and they didn't think he would play through injuries. 408 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: They didn't think he worked out enough. Now they've had 409 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: their own troubles with Paul George and Kawhi Leonards staying healthy, 410 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: but they the idea was everybody loved a D and 411 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the Clippers have a very shrewd, very deep roster, very 412 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: shrewd front office. They didn't love him and and their 413 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: their takeaway was he has to be led. He can't lead. 414 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Chris, all years you played, how many 415 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: guys were great leaders? Truthfully? Not maybe maybe to a 416 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: roster amen and maybe and sometimes the best player when 417 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: I was younger. Maybe he didn't want to be the 418 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: leader because he was figuring out some other things and 419 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: was like, I'll let you guys kind of figure it out. 420 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, or maybe they just 421 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: let individually saying, hey, this is how you stay in shape, 422 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not going to the team signings 423 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: and things like that. So when you find a guy 424 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: like that, when you find someone that you admire, they 425 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: have game and that is very rare, and usually it's 426 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: the star player and a guy that has been through 427 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: everything and doesn't want you to waste your chance. And 428 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: so no, it's it's you really have to learn that 429 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: as well, because every guy, no matter how confident they are, 430 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, with the most confident in sports. But again 431 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: we're still fans of the game, and therefore there's that insecurity. 432 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: You follow sport a long time, whether leagues out of enviews, 433 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: whether leagues out in the way you treat people, where 434 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: the leagues out of something. After the game, you know, 435 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: you can kind of see those areas, so to say, 436 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: great leaders man, yeah maybe maybe yeah, yeah, maybe two 437 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: or three a team okay, HBO winning time, Not sure 438 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: if you seen it. It's the Jeff Perlman book on 439 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: the Championship Lakers. Speaking the leadership Magic Johnson, you had 440 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: prickly stoic Kareem, you had a crazy owner, Norm Nixon, 441 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: and here came Magic, big personality, budding heads, a lot 442 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: of pushback, obviously a great leader. As a Michigan kid, yeah, 443 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: as a Pistons fan, how how did you view he 444 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: went to Michigan State, he was he was on the 445 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: other team, the Lakers. Did you hate Magic as a player? 446 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: I remember I remember Michael Jackson coming out in nineteen 447 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: eighty four, and I remember screaming to my mom, like, 448 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: please do Billy Jane. I remember that. I think it 449 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: was more Time twenty fifth. I remember remember where I was. 450 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: I remember where I was when Magic got out of 451 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: the limo and Saftbird and I ran around the house screaming. 452 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: I remember it, like, oh, what's going on? Like I 453 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: was the biggest Magic Johnson fan in the world. His 454 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: father worked in the factory. He was from Lansing, Michigan. 455 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: I got to meet him in seventh grade. His smile, 456 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: he was tall in the point guard, he got to 457 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: push the ball. He was in the video with New Edition. 458 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: I think it was secret like a video, but this 459 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: is my favorite. You know, he was cool and he 460 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: was like a man of the people, and so I 461 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: loved them, I you know, and growing up, you know, 462 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: I grew up loving Michigan and Michigan State, so I knew, 463 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, who he was. As a Pistons fan, it 464 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: was like the only situation where you could like the 465 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: Lakers in their fake Hollywood ways because you knew they 466 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: had sincerity from Michigan there. But when we beat them, 467 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to beat them more than anything, and I 468 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: wanted Isaiah to get off. I wanted to beat them. 469 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: But you know, he has to be him Bird a 470 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: couple other guys has to be my favorite players of 471 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: all time. So he was our doctor Jay. He was 472 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the world of basketball. And I mean, you know, I 473 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: love La. I remember, like, you know, putting in the 474 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: BCR watching tapes, watching tapes in the VCR of just 475 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: the opening scene of we Beat La Beat La from 476 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: the Screams in Boston and those type of things. So yeah, 477 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: magic Magic was you know, we're always point. I used 478 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: to take my fingers like him because I don't know, 479 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: I thought maybe that could make you drive them. But yeah, 480 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: he was. He's magic man. So yeah, I haven't seen 481 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: a series that I'm trying to wait so I can 482 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: bench watch it all. I can't wait. But yeah, man, 483 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: and you know, to have leadership like that as well, 484 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: from getting in the seat to and also I say 485 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: one more thing. The best leaders to me are the 486 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: ones that like shut up when it's time to work. 487 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: And from what I know about Magic, the practices were 488 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: legendary because as hard as Riley and others work on him, 489 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: he was always ready in the shape. Some people just 490 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: had a motor like that, like Jordan stay able to 491 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: do all that. And part of that leadership is not 492 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: just being able to be a row rock guy, but 493 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: then trusting that you're gonna get on the line with 494 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: him after a rough night and run some express as well. 495 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: So the other day I had former Metal World Peace 496 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: I think his name is Meta Santa for our test. Now. 497 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: I hope I got that right. And I said to him, 498 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: I said, man, we can't normalize all these stars missing games. 499 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm a kid from a small town. I went 500 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to a Sonics game every three years of downtown. Freddie 501 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Brown and Gus Williams and Jack Smickaman didn't play. It's 502 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: bad man. It was sad for me. And he said, 503 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: he said something very interesting, Chris. He said, listen, man, 504 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: these guys now in the last three or four years 505 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: are making thirty forty million dollars. They're young people like 506 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: it's a lot, and they they are hanging out with 507 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Hollywood A listers. They're making more than movie stars. And 508 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: he said, I think over time they'll get adjusted to it. 509 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: A lot thrown at him. They've never made more money. 510 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, he goes, it was six seven 511 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: years ago a guy could make nine million and that 512 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: was money. Now it's thirty five, and the new CBA 513 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: benefits the star player. They make more than ever. And 514 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: it was an interesting takeaway. And I thought to myself, 515 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I remember my first big contract that 516 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: was like thirty two. Thirty two, not twenty two. You 517 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: get ahead of yourself a little bit. You start thinking 518 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: you're really, you know, a little bit greater than you are. 519 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: Your takeaway on the missing of games by stars, do 520 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: you think some of it is we're just transitioning a 521 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of money last four years. Guys, are you know 522 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: what I mean, feeling themselves a little or are you 523 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: genuinely long term worried about it. I'm a little worried 524 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: about it because it's part of the culture. So it 525 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: starts with the team, you know, it starts with the 526 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: team going from when I played. We would be in 527 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: practice after getting hurt in a game a Wednesday. That 528 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: doesn't matter in Milwaukee I'm talking about doesn't matter, but 529 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: because the culture of it is to eat a steak 530 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: and yell at a guy and feel good about yourself 531 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: through that. Getting any better through practice but running lines 532 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 1: and things that have nothing to do with getting in shape. 533 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: That mentality. Remember the joke, team takes years off of 534 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: guy's careers. It was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. 535 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: Guys were not joking about it, and so kind of 536 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: that over exaggerated sense of man up and all that stuff, 537 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: when really it should have been like, hey, guys, we 538 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: just had a sixth game and seven nights when y'all 539 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: need a day off. But it was always a bigg 540 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: who so one that really messed it up. So two 541 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: teams trying to fix it and then validating rest is 542 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: what opened the flood base. My friend, when you have 543 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: a team saying you know, hey, guys, just let me 544 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: know how you're feeling, then you know my loyalty to 545 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: my feeling, not to getting through it. I don't want 546 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: to walk the treadmail and get up every morning, but 547 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: if I don't think about my feelings, I'll get through 548 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: it and overall it helps my body. So I think 549 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 1: the team gave away out third. You know, when you 550 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: did that at thirty two, or I did that in 551 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: my twenties, we were like going against the grain, like 552 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: you you knew there were better stories, or don't do this, 553 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, now it's the culture of you know, 554 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: why not? You know you should be doing this right, 555 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, And so I think anytime you're going anytime, 556 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: the culture seems to be going in the way of 557 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: rest or. You know, when I played with Ai, this 558 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: is so true. You know, so many things are over exaggerated, 559 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: but he really played every game and you could say ego, 560 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: you could say pride, but he always started with somebody 561 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: in the arena that never saw it. And maybe you 562 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: have to be that good sometime to realize, like I'm 563 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: gonna make this kid's life. Maybe maybe it has to 564 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: be that because sick when those guys knew it, because shoot, 565 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: the game didn't come on TV. It was late and late, 566 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe it was more special, you 567 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, I could a little worried 568 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: about that, but I do believe, you know, in the 569 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: optimism of meta. You know, I do think it can 570 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: come back. But we used to be like, we make 571 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the money, money don't make us. Now we might do 572 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: something stupid with the money and you know, lose our mind. 573 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: But the principle was, you know, we played the game. 574 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Money doesn't make you good my paycheck. Matter of fact, 575 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: you make one of me, I'm gonna show you by 576 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: like you know. So that worries me that the the 577 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: spirit of the spirit of it has changed as opposed 578 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: to what guys were doing. Yeah, No, I think there's 579 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: been a lot of cultural changes. Um, it's harder to 580 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: hard coach a player. I mean even I mean Chuck 581 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Daly had Hall of famers, he coached them hard, pat 582 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Riley hard. Yes, it's hard. That hard coaching thing, Chris, 583 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't really exist anymore. No, No, thank 584 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: you for coming to work today. Hey, it's great seeing him, man, 585 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 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