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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder,

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Speaker 1: our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House,

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Speaker 1: the crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis today and joined by Mia Wong and Robert Evans,

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Speaker 1: with a special sign by James Stout. This episode, we're

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Speaker 1: covering the week of July fifteenth to July twenty second.

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Speaker 1: On Monday morning, someone poured gasoline in front of an

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Speaker 1: entrance to the Federal Immigration Court in New York City

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Speaker 1: and lit the gasoline on fire. A forty three year

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Speaker 1: old Army vet was arrested outside the building that has

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Speaker 1: been charged with arson. The man brought a sign reading

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Speaker 1: ice off our streets and also allegedly launched a bundle

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Speaker 1: of fireworks and fired pellets from an air soft rifle.

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Speaker 1: Three US service members were killed this week on an

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Speaker 1: air base in Jordan as a result of Trump's war

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Speaker 1: with oron. The New York Times reported that the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration has tried to obtain phone and text records from

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Speaker 1: New York Times journalists and their families to uncover the

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Speaker 1: source of leaks regarding the security capabilities of the new

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Speaker 1: air Force one courtesy of the Qatar government. Cash Hotel's

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Speaker 1: overseeing this investigation. This is a huge First Amendment breach.

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Speaker 1: After multiple failed election campaigns, Katie Porter has announced she

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Speaker 1: is leaving politics to become a book influencer Oh God,

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Speaker 1: and has rebranded her Instagram account to Katie Porter turns

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Speaker 1: the page.

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Speaker 2: What okay, I mean bold move to be like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, the growth industry of the future is books.

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Speaker 2: I can't fault the desire there, but I just don't

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Speaker 2: think history is going to really work that way, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Secretary Kennedy has announced the Trump administration is pausing more

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Speaker 1: than one billion dollars in medicaid payments to California and

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Speaker 1: Minnesota due to quote suspected fraud and non compliance. Play

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Speaker 3: That includes more than eight hundred and sixty seven million

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Speaker 3: dollars for California and over two hundred million dollars for Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: If those states want that money, they need to provide

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Speaker 3: documentation that these payments are legitimate.

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Speaker 1: This will seriously harm, if not kill, people, huge numbers

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Speaker 1: of people. This is just a billion dollar cut to

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Speaker 1: medicaid citing quote unquote fraud.

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Speaker 2: It's aimed at blue states that the administration sees as enemies.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's move on to our first main story,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be kind of a through line this episode.

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Speaker 1: As I briefly mentioned last week, on Thursday, July sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: Mark Rubio and the State Department held an international conference

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Speaker 1: on the Scourge of Left wing violence and Antifa Terrorism.

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Speaker 1: This is just the latest escalation following Trump's designation of

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Speaker 1: Antifa as a quote unquote terrorist group last year and

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Speaker 1: the emboldening of law enforcements targeting left wing groups the

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Speaker 1: National Security Presidential Memorandum number seven. According to the State Departments,

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Speaker 1: this international conference was attended by representatives from sixty six countries.

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Speaker 1: Over sixty senior ministers were invited, but only seventeen ministers

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Speaker 1: actually were in attendance, though other quote political leaders and

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Speaker 1: experts and law enforcement officials traveled to DC for the event,

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Speaker 1: including the senior chief of the Hellenic Police from Greece.

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Speaker 1: According to a reporter from the LAHRNTA newspaper, Mexico was

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Speaker 1: invited to the summit, but the president declined to attend

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Speaker 1: because the conference seemed quote more political than really related

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, imagine that.

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Speaker 1: And before the conference, Washington Post reported that many senior

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Speaker 1: and why they were invited to the conference, with two

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Speaker 1: European diplomats telling the Post quote, we don't have Antifa

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Speaker 1: end quote. Our law enforcement authorities have not focused on

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Speaker 1: left wing terrorism because this is not considered a high

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Speaker 2: It doesn't really exist, yeah to us.

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Speaker 1: So this international summit put on by Mark Rubio was

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Speaker 1: titled the Ministerial on the Resurgence of Political Terrorism, Come.

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Speaker 2: Very Serious, completely leaving out the right, and also, as

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about later, blaming a lot basically the entire

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Speaker 2: and everyone trying to panter to Trump. A lot of

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Speaker 2: these are grievances either rooted in the seventies or like

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Speaker 2: a four month period in twenty twenty. Yes, right, like

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Speaker 2: that's their entire conception of the left.

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Speaker 1: To open the summit, Rubio told this story of a

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Speaker 1: civilizational threat posed by leftists, Marxists and anarchist political violence,

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Speaker 1: taking down quote unquote radical Islamistic extremism. But while our

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Speaker 1: the counter terrorism apparatus has been unable or unwilling to

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Speaker 1: go after left wing violence, let's hear from Rubio.

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Speaker 4: For far too long, however, our counter terrorism doctrine has

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Speaker 4: had a blind spot, a blind spot when it comes

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Speaker 4: very idea that far left terrorism could be a serious

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Speaker 4: threat is treated as a right wing fever dream or worse,

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Speaker 2: It's treated this way.

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Speaker 4: By many in the press, by many an academia and

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Speaker 4: our universities, and by many of our legacy institutions. You

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Speaker 4: will no doubt see the dogma rear its head in

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Speaker 4: the coverage of this very conference. In spite of the

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Speaker 4: clear and the undeniable reality, in spite of the objective

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Speaker 4: numbers and statistics.

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Speaker 1: One of the main tactics alloid by Rubio, Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 1: and others throughout this conference was the subtle conflation of

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Speaker 1: mass casualty incidents from the far right with instances of

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Speaker 1: property damage or, in the most extreme cases, targeted assassination

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Speaker 1: attempts against political figures attributed to the far left, which

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Speaker 1: people on the far right also do, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Much more often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rubio said quote. A whole industry grew up in

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Speaker 1: our countries around the study of extremism. We have think

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Speaker 1: tanks and fellowships and journals and consultancies, with the unspoken

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Speaker 1: understanding among them that only one kind of political violence

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Speaker 1: was a true threat to the system. A bomb planted

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Speaker 1: by a neo Nazi group was a nefarious and murderous

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Speaker 1: a Marxist revolutionary, well, that's just merely a tragic excess

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Speaker 1: of idealism. Perhaps its means were misplaced or over zealous,

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Speaker 1: but its ends were virtuous and just.

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Speaker 2: Unquote, no one's ever said that, Mark, No one in

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Speaker 2: US politics has ever said that. You can find some

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Speaker 2: maniacs have said anything about anything, but like, that's simply

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Speaker 2: not a discourse in America.

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Speaker 1: CVE researchers generally would not describe Marxist bombing plots as

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Speaker 2: I've never heard a bombing plot described as virtuous the

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Speaker 2: only act of what you could call terrorism. I've ever

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Speaker 2: seen in the recent days people call virtuous. Is you

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Speaker 2: know what happened to that healthcare executive which Rubio does

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Speaker 2: talk about, Yes, and that is definitely a lot of

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Speaker 2: people cheered that on. But I can't think of a

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Speaker 2: single instance in which a bombing has ever been cheered on.

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Speaker 1: And Marxist bombings, it's like, wait, was the last time

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Speaker 2: It isn't that. What Rubio was talking about is a

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Speaker 2: spate of left wing affiliated bombings that occurred from nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy one to seventy two. He talks about this in

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Speaker 2: the Cube Pity and that's what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: That hasn't happened, like no weather underground has been above

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Speaker 2: Like that's entirely what all this is based on. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's like it's not a thing now. Yeah, is

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Speaker 2: what old people remember about the left in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's not directly referenced, but I know

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Speaker 1: the DJ did make a big hubbub about foiling a

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Speaker 1: anti imperialist like Maoist bombing plot in California late last year.

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Speaker 1: Also a confidential human source who was working with law

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Speaker 1: enforcement was involved in the planning of this operation, which

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Speaker 1: was stopped by law enforcement before they could ever carry

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Speaker 1: out the attack. And that's the closest thing to like

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Speaker 1: an actual like Mark City. That is the closest recent thing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like that's it like in the last like very long

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Speaker 1: number of years now. Rubio claimed that quote an extraordinary

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Speaker 1: ideological prejudice was embedded in the way we talk about

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Speaker 1: political violence and extremism, to the point that this prejudice

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Speaker 1: regarded as an apolitical fact. For an example of this,

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Speaker 1: Rubio mentions the protests against the murder of George Floyd.

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Speaker 4: Many people in positions of power have repeatedly dismissed acts

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Speaker 4: of violence and even terrorism as legitimate forms of political

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Speaker 4: It is why during those George Floyd so called George

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Speaker 4: Floyd Riots in the summer of twenty twenty, as criminals

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Speaker 4: and extremists burned and looted their way through American America's

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Speaker 4: City governments all across the country simply refused to prosecute

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Speaker 4: the people conducting these acts of violence and terror. It

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Speaker 4: is the reason for the now infamous image. Maybe you

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Speaker 4: all recall this of a news anchor from a very

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Speaker 4: the protests were mostly peaceful.

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Speaker 2: Can even say cairon right, My god.

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Speaker 4: This was something worse than a double standard. Left wing

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Speaker 4: violence was not just excused, it was treated as sacricinct,

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Speaker 1: A protected class unto itself, protecting their ability to light

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Speaker 1: That is. The other thing is that the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: tons of like federal arrests, yes, with people involved in

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Speaker 1: Rubio referenced instances of political violence in Europe from recent time,

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Speaker 1: like a firebomb attack on the home of a Greek

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Speaker 1: targeting a politician in Greece. Rubio also referenced a five

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Speaker 1: day blackout in Berlin last winter caused by a power

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Speaker 1: associate to themselves with a far left eco extremist group Leslie.

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Speaker 1: Rubio mentioned that in February of this year, quote, a

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Speaker 1: beaten to death on the streets of Leone by a

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Speaker 1: group of far left militant thugs. This twenty three year

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Speaker 1: he's referred to in local news coverage, who died two

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Speaker 1: days after being brutalized in a large street brawl during

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Speaker 1: a far right protest outside of a university event. Featuring

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian lawmaker. Eleven anti fascists were arrested for this.

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Speaker 1: Rubio tried to connect the current emerging threat of far

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Speaker 1: left political terrorism to historic Marxist struggles in the twentieth

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Speaker 1: urban grilla groups in Central South America FARC, the National

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Speaker 1: Liberation Army, the Shining Path, Maoist gorillas in Peru, as

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Speaker 4: And today we face a new wave of this old

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Speaker 4: evil here in the United States. The share of left

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Speaker 4: In Greece, more than eighty percent of radical violence is

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Speaker 1: Trying to understand every public act of violence, whether that's

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Speaker 5: and total control control through psychological and physical and actual.

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Speaker 1: Terror, we must disrupt, identify, defund, d bank, arrest, and

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Speaker 1: prosecute these political terrorists, or else they will turn the

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Speaker 1: country into a goolag and conduct the mass imprisonment of

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Speaker 1: political enemies and establish total psychological control. It's just that

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Speaker 1: we must do the genocide before they do the genocide

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Speaker 1: against us thing. And that is a lot of how

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Speaker 1: Miller and the Ambassador for the Counter Terrorism Bureau talk

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Speaker 1: about this so like, we need to stop this before

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Speaker 1: it gets bigger. We know it seems kind of small

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Speaker 1: right now, but by the time that everyone realizes this

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Speaker 1: is a huge threat, then it's already too late. Then

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Speaker 1: we've already lost. We have to end this thing right

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Speaker 1: now as it still is like an infant, like we

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Speaker 1: cannot let this thing grow up. That is very much

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Speaker 1: how he talks about it. And he is really frustrated

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Speaker 1: about the way that attempts by the repreministration to do

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Speaker 1: this have been curtailed or I've not been able to

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Speaker 1: really be followed through on to the extent that he wants.

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Speaker 1: And she has a specific thing that's been happening that

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Speaker 1: he's really upset about. And that's a little term that

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Speaker 1: some people in the audience might be familiar with called

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Speaker 1: jury qualification.

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Speaker 5: There's a real threat that those who are not themselves terrorists,

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Speaker 5: but who support left wing violence will create the conditions

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Speaker 5: that allow that violence to go on without any meaningful inhibition.

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Speaker 5: So to be specific, we've seen some of our nation's

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Speaker 5: cities in America, like Washington, d C. In New York

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Speaker 5: City something again as an American term, but it's known

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Speaker 5: as jury nullification. This is when a person is obviously

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Speaker 5: guilty of a crime, but the juror, because they're ideologically

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Speaker 5: sympathetical sympathetic to the perpetrator, will not sentence them to

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Speaker 5: the crime which have obviously committed. We've seen in the

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Speaker 5: United States again and again individuals who are part of

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Speaker 5: lefting organizations who've committed the saults against ice officers or

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Speaker 5: federal law enforcement, who have been brought to court where

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Speaker 5: clear evidence has been presented against them, that the jury

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Speaker 5: has refused to convict for purely political reasons. When you've

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Speaker 5: reached that point, it demonstrates how deeply the cancer has

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Speaker 5: begun to infest your society.

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Speaker 1: According to a new report in Just Security Quote, nearly

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Speaker 1: half the cases nationwide brought against protesters and immigrants for

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Speaker 1: assault against a law enforcement officer or dismissed by judges,

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Speaker 1: with drawn by prosecutors, or resulted in jury acquittals, and

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Speaker 1: at least eighteen publicly reported instances grand juries have refused

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Speaker 1: to indict, at least sixteen grand jury subpoenas have been

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Speaker 1: blocked or withdrawn, and judges have dismissed or prosecutors have

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Speaker 1: dropped at least seventy nine cases relating to ice protests

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Speaker 1: or federal law enforcement surgis across DC, Chicago, Minnesota, and

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles in a period of two months. The US

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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office in DC dropped more cases than it had

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Speaker 1: in the previous ten years combined, unquote. And that also

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Speaker 1: shows the scale in which they're bringing these cases against protesters.

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Speaker 1: This is something that Miller is really upset about. This

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Speaker 1: is something that is severely prohibiting the administration's ability to

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Speaker 1: go after quote unquote left wing terrorism, what they view

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Speaker 1: as left wing terrorism, and he's really frustrated about this.

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Speaker 1: Here's one last quote from him. Quote. One of the

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Speaker 1: hallmarks of left wing violence and terrorism is it's completely

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Speaker 1: protectual and disingenuous appeal to civil liberties in an effort

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Speaker 1: to shield its own violence. This is the tactic that

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Speaker 1: the left always uses to try to protect itself from

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Speaker 1: facing criminal punishment. It is essential that we are wise

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Speaker 1: enough and strong enough to understand that these appeals must

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Speaker 1: fall on deaf ears. We must stay the course and

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Speaker 1: be completely unflinching in the pursuit of justice against these

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Speaker 1: enemies of civilization unquote. And Miller and Rubio went on

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Speaker 1: pretty lengthy rants about how the threat of left wing

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Speaker 1: violence really is this civilizational threat against what is beautiful

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Speaker 1: and what is good, what is natural. It's a quote

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Speaker 1: from Miller against this like ugly hatred that fuels the left,

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Speaker 1: this sort of like you know, like resentment for like

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Speaker 1: failing at life, and now they want to attack those

510
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Speaker 1: of us who like succeed those of us who like

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Speaker 1: build very fascistic like stuff. At the end of both their.

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Speaker 2: Speeches, very and also very Bin Shapiro stuff. To be honest,

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Speaker 2: the whole builders and takers thing. I mean, he didn't

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Speaker 2: start that, but it is interesting to see there's so

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Speaker 2: many old throwbacks to this because you can tell these

516
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Speaker 2: these are guys who get started in writing politics before

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Speaker 2: the current era because they keep hearkening back to stuff

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Speaker 2: that's just like not as big a part of like

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Speaker 2: the modern vernacular, which is always interesting to me, like

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Speaker 2: how stuck a lot of these guys are in the past.

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Speaker 1: At a post conference press conference for Foreign Press, the

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Speaker 1: Coordinator and Ambassador at Large for the Bureau kinter Terrorism

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Speaker 1: reiterated that the US Keno Terrism strategy is still focusing

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Speaker 1: on three main types of threat groups. NARCO terrorists, Islamic

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Speaker 1: Corgiatis terrorists, and far left terrorists, and that they need

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Speaker 1: to quote identify terror actors and plots before they happen.

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Speaker 1: He calls far left rorism a resurgent threat with a

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Speaker 1: clear upward trend and that they are quote committed to

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Speaker 1: addressing it before it metastasizes that they want to hold

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Speaker 1: this scourge before it grows into something larger, more unified,

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Speaker 1: and more deadly. The ambassador outlined three concrete outcomes from

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Speaker 1: this conference. The first was on designations and accountability, and

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Speaker 1: like Rubio, he promised that additional foreign terrorist organizations and

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Speaker 1: specially designated global terrorist designations for quote unquote far left

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Speaker 1: groups are under active review and are going to be

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Speaker 1: incoming soon, following the four designations of europe based groups

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Speaker 1: last year, so there's going to be more left wing

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Speaker 1: or Antifa related groups designated as foreign terrorist organizations. Secretary

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Speaker 1: Bessin talked about how legitimate nonprofit and charitable structures are

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Speaker 1: being quote exploited as a mechanism to conceal the movement

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Speaker 1: of illicit funds to support political terrorism, and the Ambassador

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Speaker 1: talked about how international partners are discussing prospects quote allowing

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Speaker 1: their own legal frameworks to ensure that these networks cannot

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Speaker 1: simply relocate across borders. As a part of these terrorist designations,

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Speaker 1: that Measuri's Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence will take

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Speaker 1: steps to dismantle the funding which sustains these groups, and

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Speaker 1: the state departments also offering payments it up to ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars for information disrupting far left terrorist financing. The

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Speaker 1: second outcome of the conference was on operational coordination like

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Speaker 1: deepening information sharing between partner agencies and coordinating on travel

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Speaker 1: restrictions and strengthening the protection of critical infrastructure like transportation

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Speaker 1: and energy systems. It was also announced that Germany would

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Speaker 1: host the next quote unquote counter terrorism Workshop. The last

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Speaker 1: concrete outcome of this event was new visa restrictions quote

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Speaker 1: targeting members of far left terrorists and aligned groups. For

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Speaker 1: more on that, let's throw to our colleague James stout.

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Speaker 6: Hi one, it's James coming at you with the second

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Speaker 6: attempt to record this. Find myself traveling every Wednesday at

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Speaker 6: the moment, so apologies for missing out on recording to

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Speaker 6: everyone else, I will be back next week. I promise.

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Speaker 6: We were turned to our usual shared conversation, but I

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Speaker 6: did want to check in with everyone this week because

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about a couple of things. Last week,

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Speaker 6: for the first time in its history, the United States

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Speaker 6: government attempted to remove someone through the use of the

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Speaker 6: Alien Terrorists Removal Court. This is something that was first

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Speaker 6: published by Shamus Hughes at Court Works and want to

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Speaker 6: give credit book credits you shame of spensern On godly

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Speaker 6: amount of time looking at PACER and other court documents

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Speaker 6: have found this.

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Speaker 1: So background's court right.

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Speaker 6: It's established in nineteen ninety six by the Anti Terrorism

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Speaker 6: and Effective Death Penalty Act. That law allows the Attorney

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Speaker 6: General to designate some of the terrorists and use this

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Speaker 6: process if Title two removal will be a threat to

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Speaker 6: national security. Now, the hearings in the ATRC, I will

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Speaker 6: say they fly extremely close to the sun with regards

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Speaker 6: to constitutional rights and the concept.

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Speaker 2: Of a fair trial. There are lots of.

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Speaker 6: Provisions in this law for classified evidence, for restrictions on

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Speaker 6: the things that the defendant can obtain by discovery. The

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Speaker 6: law also said, as quote, an alien subject to removal

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Speaker 6: under this title shall not be entitled to suppress evidence

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Speaker 6: of the alien alleges was unlawfully obtained. That's great stuff.

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Speaker 6: It's just worth noting nineteen ninety six is before the

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Speaker 6: start of the Global War on Terror, and it therefore

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Speaker 6: pre dates the existence of the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

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Speaker 6: At the United States had a base at Guantanamo Bay,

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Speaker 6: but the large scale extra judicial torturing of people, what

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Speaker 6: they called enhanced interrogation at Guantanamobe, had not begun in

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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that they were not doing extra judicial

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Speaker 6: things in nineteen ninety six. I'm just saying that the

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Speaker 6: GITMO as we understand it today for those of us

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Speaker 6: who have grown up with it as a political reality

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Speaker 6: for most adult lives, didn't exist in that sense.

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that they were not.

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Speaker 2: People detained there. They probably were.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying they did not do extra judicial things

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Speaker 6: in pursuit of quote unquite aity terrorism.

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Speaker 2: I believe they did.

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Speaker 6: Boseberg mentioned this court Judge Bosburg, right, remember him from

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Speaker 6: the El Salardore Sicot cases, when he told the government

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Speaker 6: that there was a procedure for someone accused of terrorism

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Speaker 6: because the government basically said.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, these people are terrorists.

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Speaker 6: Look at that we put them on a plane, send

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Speaker 6: them to a death camp and ensemble or essentially right

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Speaker 6: a prison that very few people leave. Eventually, most of

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Speaker 6: these people did leave in this case, but it was

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Speaker 6: very unusual for someone to leave that camp. And what

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Speaker 6: he said was quote so, if there's a national security

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Speaker 6: concern with having these hearings, whether via habeasts or otherwise,

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Speaker 6: you can always go to the ATRC, which will be

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Speaker 6: a first. But that's what it's there for, right. So

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Speaker 6: at the time, he's pointing to it, saying, if you

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Speaker 6: can't put the evidence for these people's the need to

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Speaker 6: remove these people out in public. That's why we have

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Speaker 6: the ATRC. When it used that, Trump administration said we

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Speaker 6: can use that, that does not mean we have to

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Speaker 6: use that, and that was their argument, right. The court

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Speaker 6: is of not just people engage in terrorism, it's also

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Speaker 6: their families. It's also people accused of things like soliciting

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Speaker 6: others to engage in actual terrorism or raising funds. It also

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Speaker 6: appears that once a person they've submitted an application for

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Speaker 6: removal through this court, they can detain a person. The

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Speaker 6: court has this crazy website. It looks like it was

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Speaker 6: very hastily created, it's not a usual website for court

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Speaker 6: at all. Usually court websites that they were made in

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Speaker 6: the late nineteen nineties. They are very difficult to navigate

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Speaker 6: and they have a huge amount of data that it's

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Speaker 6: hard to find. That's why a lot of us like

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Speaker 6: to use court Listener or some other website rather than

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Speaker 6: going directly to the court pages, which can be very

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Speaker 6: hard to navigate. This page lists of judges, where each

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Speaker 6: of the judges comes from a different US circuit, and

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Speaker 6: it has the two documents that the court has made

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Speaker 6: available so far. One is pretty much all blanked out.

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Speaker 6: The other one is a court order in which court

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Speaker 6: Chief Judge asserts, quote, the government could benefit from an

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Speaker 6: opportunity for more thoughtful consideration. So they've made an application

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Speaker 6: to remove someone by this court and that is a

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Speaker 6: response of the court at this time. Right, obviously, this

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Speaker 6: is very concerning. Right immigration court to begin with, I

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Speaker 6: think is getting closer and closer to being something that

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Speaker 6: is sort of openly flouting the Constitution and people's rights. There.

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Speaker 6: Immigration judges are not judges in the sense that you

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Speaker 6: understand judges to be, even though some of them have

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Speaker 6: worked hard to give people due process and many of

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Speaker 6: them are now being removed. One could demized because of them.

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Speaker 6: But if we look at this in addition to the

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Speaker 6: United States adding groups in Mexico and Europe to the

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Speaker 6: FTO list Foreign Terrorist Organizations. For those who aren't familiar,

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Speaker 6: it's especially concerning right. And it's especially concerning when we

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Speaker 6: look another announcement this week which explicitly cited NSPM seven,

658
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Speaker 6: which we've spoken about lengths on this show, limiting visas

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Speaker 6: for people it calls anti fascist and far left terrorist groups.

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Speaker 6: The announcement began going to quote from extensively here, right,

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Speaker 6: far left terrorists and aligned groups use sophisticated organized networks

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Speaker 6: to perpetrate violence as a political tool, seeking to implement

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Speaker 6: an extreme political vision through intimidation and coordinated campaigns of terror.

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Speaker 6: It is a strategy that explicitly aims to undermine the

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Speaker 6: political foundation of free and self governing societies, utilizing bombings, assassinations,

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Speaker 6: and other forms of terrorism to silence speech, limit political opposition,

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Speaker 6: change policy outcomes, and sabotage political processes. This announcement also

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Speaker 6: said that it's quote targets members of far left terrorists

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Speaker 6: and other aligned groups who have supported or incited acts

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Speaker 6: of terrorism, supported violent criminal activity, participated in economic sabotage, finance,

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Speaker 6: recruited or provide logistical support for violent or criminal actions,

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Speaker 6: cremated by far left terrorists and other aligned groups, and

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Speaker 6: or facilitated the convergence of far left terrorists and other

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Speaker 6: aligned networks for the purposes of violent action. Some of

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Speaker 6: these are pretty broad, right, economic sabotage normally also to

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Speaker 6: Agris suggest that that could include bds. But I think

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Speaker 6: given where we are, it's not crazy to think that, right,

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Speaker 6: some of these facilitating the conversions, Right, is that like

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Speaker 6: holding a big summit is like the logistical support for

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Speaker 6: violent criminal actions. So does that mean bail funds all

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Speaker 6: of these things? Cash bail, I guess is less less

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Speaker 6: of a thing outside the US. Does that mean people

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Speaker 6: who have done jail support, right, that kind of thing?

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Speaker 6: This is super concerning. The State Department explicitly cites Section

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Speaker 6: two twelve, Subsection A, Parts three, subsection C of the

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Speaker 6: Immigration and Nationality Act, which deals with the inadmissibility of aliens.

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Speaker 6: This section begins quote an alien whose entry or proposed

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Speaker 6: activities in the United States, Secretary of State has reasonable

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Speaker 6: ground to believe have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences

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Speaker 6: for the United States is inadmissible. So that's a very

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Speaker 6: very broad category.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: Notably, it is not sub Section B, which deals specifically

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Speaker 6: with terrorism or which terrorists are in admissible. This is

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Speaker 6: a different one which deals with this very broad power

696
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Speaker 6: given to the Secretary of State to decide whose admission

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Speaker 6: would be bad for the United States foreign policy consequences

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Speaker 6: they've used just before. Right, this is a favorite of

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Speaker 6: this administration. But again, right, this is an example of

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Speaker 6: a law which gives massive leeway to in this case,

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Speaker 6: part of the executive branch, Secretary of State, and it

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Speaker 6: is therefore he's using that leeway right to do this.

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Speaker 6: I think that we should be especially concerned when we

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Speaker 6: combine this with some of the other things that we're seeing. Right,

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Speaker 6: we are seeing social media surveys of applicants. Right, people

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Speaker 6: have to submit their whole social media before they apply.

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Speaker 6: We are seeing phone searches at the border more and

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Speaker 6: more frequently, right, famously the JD Vance meme, but it's

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Speaker 6: not uncommon to see these phone searches at the border.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 6: We have also seen this week the elimination of duration

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Speaker 6: of status for a number of visas f ones being

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Speaker 6: probably the most numerous. F one being a student visa

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Speaker 6: right also some foreign journalists visas. Other visa types as

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Speaker 6: well included there, but I want to focus on the

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Speaker 6: ones because I think that will be the one that

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Speaker 6: impacts the most people. So generally, with an F one visa,

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Speaker 6: once you maintained status are once you are still in school,

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Speaker 6: you could keep your student visa right now, These include

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Speaker 6: like a time limit on the duration of the visa.

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Speaker 6: For some people, this will be a serious issue if

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Speaker 6: you are entering, for example, to speaking from experience here,

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Speaker 6: if you are entering a program in the United States

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Speaker 6: in the humanities, and you are entering with a bachelor's degree, right,

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Speaker 6: not a master's.

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Speaker 2: Degree, you will then have to.

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Speaker 6: Advance to candidacy right, complete the requirements for your master's degree,

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Speaker 6: and demonstrate competency in two languages. Let's assume you are

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Speaker 6: not someone who is multi lingual. That could take a while,

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Speaker 6: right like, depending on how strict the testing is at

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Speaker 6: the particular university you go to. Then you will have

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Speaker 6: to research, then you will have to write, then you

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Speaker 6: will have to do a dissertation. These time limits on

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Speaker 6: the F one visa are less than the nominal time

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Speaker 6: to degree at some institutions, and that means that it's

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Speaker 6: going to be very hard for graduate students, especially to

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Speaker 6: come to the United States to do those degrees. That,

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Speaker 6: combined with this denial of visa's thing, is going to

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Speaker 6: have an impact on the way campuses look in the

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Speaker 6: United States, and it's going to have a broader impact

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Speaker 6: than that.

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Speaker 2: Of course it is.

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Speaker 6: But this is a thing that I have direct experience with. Right.

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Speaker 6: F one student visas are numerous. I've taught dozens, if

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Speaker 6: not hundreds of F one students. I came on a

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Speaker 6: student visa when I did my PhD. And like, one

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Speaker 6: of the reasons that people come here, and this is

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Speaker 6: something that I've heard from so many people, is that, like,

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Speaker 6: this country has a Bill of rights, and the very

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Speaker 6: first Amendment to the Constitution guaranteed freedom of speech, and

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Speaker 6: that isn't the case everywhere. That is a thing that

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Speaker 6: is good, but it is more and more and more

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Speaker 6: under attack, especially for foreign students.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: We've seen this right from the very beginning of a

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Speaker 6: Trump administration, and I believe that this will be part

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Speaker 6: of that same attack. Right when we look at all

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Speaker 6: these things together, these are the clearest signposts we have

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Speaker 6: seen yet to the new McCarthyism. Right. We can talk

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Speaker 6: about what Rubio said about Cuba, we can talk about

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Speaker 6: this Antifa summit, which I will talk about soon in

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Speaker 6: more depth. But it is not hard to draw a

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Speaker 6: line from, for instance, a prosecution and the persecution outside

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Speaker 6: the legal system of Lincoln Brigadiers right, people who volunteered

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Speaker 6: to fight fascism in Spain to what is happening today.

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Speaker 6: And it is sad but not shocking to see yet

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Speaker 6: another shameful aspect of this country's history resurfacing and becoming

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Speaker 6: policy again. So I guess I'll just finish up by saying,

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Speaker 6: if this has impacted you, if you are someone who's

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Speaker 6: recently had a visa refused, if you are somebody who

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Speaker 6: was trying to get in an IF one visa and

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Speaker 6: it is now finding shit, I don't think I can

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Speaker 6: do my degree in that much time. What do I

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Speaker 6: do here? I always want to tell stories about people,

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Speaker 6: not just about government announcements, So you can hit us

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Speaker 6: up Cool Zone tips at proton dot me if you'd

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Speaker 6: like to talk about that. Thanks to and I'll be back

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Speaker 6: with everybody next week.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss teriffs and even more far left terrorism.

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Speaker 1: After this ad break, we're back.

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Speaker 2: So earlier this week, the US State Department put out

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Speaker 2: a one hundred page report this would be on Monday,

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Speaker 2: about Cuba's history of trying to overthrow or manipulate US

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Speaker 2: politics via left wing activists and quote unquote left wing

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Speaker 2: militants going back to the sixties. When they say going

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Speaker 2: back to the sixties, basically what I mean is pretty

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Speaker 2: much exclusively the sixties and seventies. Is almost everything in

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Speaker 2: this document that relates to the US directly in any way.

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Speaker 2: The document, which is basically this is just to give

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Speaker 2: you a little bit of background. This is all Rubio, right,

791
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Speaker 2: not just what Gare has been talking about, but particularly

792
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Speaker 2: trying to drum up fear and panic around Cuba and

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Speaker 2: justify an invasion or regime change in Cuba. That's been

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Speaker 2: his whole fucking life goal for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: There's a pretty good Guardian article from last year with

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Speaker 2: the title Marco Rubio Niar's goal of toppling Cuba's government,

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Speaker 2: and I want to read a brief quote from that.

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Speaker 2: The campaign against Cuba's government is the culmination of a

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Speaker 2: personal pursuit spanning decades. In a video released on Cuban

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Speaker 2: Independence Day this week, Rubio said in Spanish that a

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Speaker 2: US embargo was not the reason for the country's privations,

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Speaker 2: telling Cubans that currently the only thing standing in the

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Speaker 2: way of a better future are those who control your country.

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Speaker 2: All roads have been leading to Cuba for Rubio. Set

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Speaker 2: a person who has known Rubio since his time as

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Speaker 2: a local politician in South Florida. He has wanted this

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Speaker 2: for a long time, and now he finally has the

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Speaker 2: authority to reach that goal. Now, Trump has made a

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Speaker 2: couple of comments that make people believe he is in

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Speaker 2: the process of planning to try and force the government

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Speaker 2: of Cuba out one way or another. Last Thursday, he

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Speaker 2: told reporters other presidents have looked at this for fifty

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Speaker 2: sixty years doing something about Cuba, and it looks like

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Speaker 2: I'll be the one that does it, So I would

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Speaker 2: be happy to do it. Now. Hard to say is

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Speaker 2: that actually means anything. Trump says a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: that doesn't come true, but there's been real world reasons

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Speaker 2: to believe that he seriously intends to do this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: first off, what happened in Venezuela, right where we used

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Speaker 2: our special operations forces to take out and and extradite

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Speaker 2: legally elect it well to ext write the president of

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Speaker 2: a sovereign country. Right. This is something that like you've

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Speaker 2: had like a lot of planners and depending on talking

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Speaker 2: about for years, is like, well, we could use these

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Speaker 2: guys to just deal with problems at the top, right.

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Speaker 2: And for Rubio, there's a lot of speculation that Venezuela

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Speaker 2: was kind of a proof of concept for him, right,

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Speaker 2: that we could in fact use a very small footprint

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Speaker 2: force get the current ruling regime out of there, or

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Speaker 2: enough of them that they're not willing to fight back anymore.

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Speaker 2: And that might be something that the US military is

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Speaker 2: capable of doing. I don't have a great sense as

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Speaker 2: to Cuba's defensive capacity or how functional they would be

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Speaker 2: at doing this, or how much support the regime would

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Speaker 2: enjoy in the event that the US try this, or

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Speaker 2: how much that support would matter. It kind of depends

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Speaker 2: on the weapons systems they use at the moment. We

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Speaker 2: know that the US NIMICS and its Strike Group have

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Speaker 2: recently been brought into the South Caribbean c as part

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Speaker 2: of an ongoing military build up, and there have been

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Speaker 2: some other signs that the regime is planning to act.

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Speaker 2: Axios recently published in articles that administration estimates that Cuba

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Speaker 2: now has some three hundred military drones quote, and was

844
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Speaker 2: considering using them to attack a US base at Guantanamo Bay,

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Speaker 2: US ships, or even targets in Florida, Miami. Your days

846
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Speaker 2: are numbered now, folks. I'm going to walk you through

847
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Speaker 2: some stuff. First off, we don't actually have hard evidence

848
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Speaker 2: that they bought any of these drums. There was some

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Speaker 2: earlier reporting, and I'm sure they have been talking with Iran,

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Speaker 2: and I know that they have ongoing defense agreements with Russia,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be shocked if they had bought like

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Speaker 2: three hundred of these, like Shihed style cheaper suicide drones.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. The night before we recorded this, Ukraine

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Speaker 2: launched a major attack on Moscow using four hundred drones.

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Speaker 2: If Cuba does have three hundred Iranian drones, that is

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Speaker 2: roughly enough to carry out an offensive against US forces

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Speaker 2: for two to three seconds, perhaps a little more, maybe

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Speaker 2: more like fifteen to twenty, you know. But it's not

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Speaker 2: an invasion force. It's not really a defensive force. And

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Speaker 2: we also don't know that they even have them, right,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be weird if they did. But this isn't

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Speaker 2: any reason and to believe there's any kind of a

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Speaker 2: threat coming from Cuba. The fact that they're trying to

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Speaker 2: really hype up three hundred drones. It's twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: You can run through that in an afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, like I just want to be very clear,

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Speaker 1: Cuba is not planning to launch strikes in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Come on, like, you look at the last sixty years

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Speaker 2: of history, right, We had one big dust up with

870
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: them over the fucking Bay of Pigs, And obviously the

871
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: Cuban government funded and sent soldiers and doctors and other

872
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: stuff into a variety of countries, and that led to

873
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: conflicts in places like Africa with the US. But there's

874
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: never been any direct aggression from Cuba towards the United States. No,

875
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: we're not in danger from them. One of the most

876
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: ridiculous things you could do today is watch the celebrated

877
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Sorkin movie A Few Good Men, which is entirely

878
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: about how well, you know, you don't understand how difficult

879
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: it is protecting America from Cuba. You know, we really

880
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: we got to be extra crazy to keep the Cubans

881
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: off the walls of the United States like it's fucking nonsense,

882
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: and it's Marco is number one. Marco comes from a

883
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: Cuban American background, His whole family hates the Castro government.

884
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: He has wanted and seen himself as ordained to destroy

885
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: the Communist government in Cuba for his entire life. That

886
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that there's any kind of realistic threat here,

887
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: or any real reason to feel like any kind of

888
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: actual danger. And you can see that in the report itself, right,

889
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: there's even some bits here where they almost admit it. Right,

890
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to read one segment. The Cuban campaign against

891
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: America is unique. It is a regular and covert. Even

892
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: at the peak of its military power, Havana never possessed

893
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: the capacity to defeat the United States at a conventional

894
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: armed conflict. Instead, the Cubans perfected a new model for

895
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: a long war of attrition organized around espionage, infiltration, sabotage,

896
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: proxy networks, and a revolutionary infrastructure designed to turn America

897
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: against itself. Did Cuba do that? Did Cuba turn America

898
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: against itself? And also, if they've perfected a war of attrition,

899
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: why are they out of gas, and like the United

900
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: States is the healthiest economy in the world. I mean,

901
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: it's because we stole a bunch of shit. But there's

902
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: no evidence that Cuba has done some sort of horrible

903
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: damage to the US. In fact, all of the damage

904
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: says otherwise that we've continued to fuck over the Cubans

905
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: for goddamn no reason for decades. It's incredibly frustrating. And again,

906
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: the more you read this, the more you realize unless

907
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: he's talking about like shit that because he does periodically

908
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: talk about like fucking South America and some of the

909
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: different like Cuban like state involvement there, But when he's

910
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: talking about acts that can be traced to Cuba that

911
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: involve violence in the US at all, it's just shit

912
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: from the sixties and seventies, right, which is like back

913
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: when Cuba's economy was functional and they're the backing of

914
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: the USSR. And also like none of it ever came

915
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: close to doing serious damage to the United States as

916
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: like a national, like as a nation, right, none of

917
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: that was never in the fucking cards. You know, it's

918
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: very frustrating to have to even take any of this serious,

919
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: but you do because they are going to try to

920
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: blame and try to punish and imprison people based on

921
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: this fucking fantasy. Right, And one of the things you've

922
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: seen a lot of quotes like when Marco came up

923
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: to talk and give a speech about this report, he

924
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: accused Iron and Cuba of funding both Antifa and the DSA. Right, Like,

925
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: come on, and he'll make these comments in his speeches.

926
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: The actual report isn't even willing to go that far,

927
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: because when you get to the meat of the report,

928
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Marcito doesn't even have the guts to call the DSA

929
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: a Cuban op quote. The DSA was not founded as

930
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: a Cuban intelligence or influence front. It was born in

931
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two as a fusion of socialist organizations and

932
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: movements for both the Old Left and New Left factions.

933
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: And you know, like they're right that people in the

934
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: DSA are very angry about what the US is doing

935
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: into Cuba because they're out of fuel and starving and

936
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: being continually harmed by our completely pointless boycotts and trade

937
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: fucking wars. Like there's not much more than that for

938
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: most people to it. There's some weirdos out there, but.

939
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: It is really interesting how carefully. The report talks about

940
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: DSA because like DSA's mentioned a lot, DSA is mentioned

941
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: very frequently.

942
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 2: But there's no direct connection.

943
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: DSA's mentioned twenty four times in a one hundred page document,

944
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: but they're very careful to be like DSA's could be

945
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: sympathetic to the human government, but DSA is not a

946
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: reziz result of Cuban influence necessarily, No.

947
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: And I think the argument they are making is that

948
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: you had a split between the old left and the

949
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: new Left, and the Cuban government founded a bunch of

950
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: new left factions, and because the DSA is a fusion

951
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: of old left and new left factions, that means that

952
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: they're partly a result of Cuban operation. Sure, that's what

953
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: they're trying to argue, right, It's build some sort of

954
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: historical justification to if they go after DSA people or

955
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: activists who have gone to Cuba to delivery mediaran ads,

956
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: that build some sort of framework to criminalize people who

957
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: are sympathetic to people living in Cuba. Yeah, I think

958
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: that's precisely what's happening. And one thing that's kind of

959
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: telling is even among news sources that are like sympathetic

960
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: to the right, and to the administration. No one's pretending

961
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: that this paper isn't just Marco like pushing out his

962
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: own personal vendettas. Like I found a Washington Examiner article

963
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: summarize the report as Marco Rubio accusing the Cuban government.

964
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: Here's an exact quote from the Washington Examiner. Secretary of

965
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: State Marco Rubio accused the Cuban government of running one

966
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: of the most sophisticated infiltrations of US politics, in part

967
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: using the Democratic Socialists of America. So even with a

968
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: lot of these articles, they're like, yeah, this is just

969
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: Rubio fucking spouting off, right, Like this is mostly oh Marco,

970
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: And among some of like the crazy like anti communist

971
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: sites I've been reading, they're still like, well, there's nothing

972
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: new in this. They didn't because they are reading like, well,

973
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: nothing passed like the seventies involves the US directly.

974
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: Which is going to say there's not real danger here, right,

975
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: there was no huge danger. One of the main activists

976
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: that Code Pink, which was this organization that that co

977
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: organized some of those aide trips to Cuba, is under

978
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: federal investigation right now. And this indicates that despite how

979
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: much of this is just Rubio having fun with this

980
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: little pet project. This does show where the targets of

981
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: the administration are. Oh yeah, and that can be the

982
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: DSA and people doing humanitarian aid trips.

983
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: And it's specifically because of that humanitarian aid trip, right,

984
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: like that gave Rubio a really good like you know,

985
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: honestly wasn't anything. I think just pissed him off because

986
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: he hates the Cuban government more than anything, and the

987
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: idea that anyone would want to like bring aid to

988
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: the people in Cuba is like infuriating to him. Now again,

989
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: we know that Trump is in the process of planning

990
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: to try and force the government of Cuba out one

991
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: way or another. That doesn't mean he actually will, right

992
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: he hasn't committed fully to that yet. But given what

993
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: happened in Venezuela and given what's going on in Iran,

994
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: I think it would be foolish to say I don't

995
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: think he's going to try, right, Like, I think that's

996
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: not the smart If I'm making a bet. I certainly

997
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: hope he doesn't. I hope they get scared. I hope

998
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: shit with Iran is bad enough that they chicken out.

999
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 2: But I think it would be foolish to assume they're

1000
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: not going to try and unseat the government of Cuba. Right, Yeah,

1001
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the rational way to look at this, right,

1002
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: And whether this is all bluster or not, you know,

1003
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: is going to be seen. But as I said, the

1004
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: US Nimits and Strike Group have moved into the South Caribbean,

1005
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of talk about like, oh, we

1006
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: think the Cubans are planning an attack on Guantanamo. Last Thursday,

1007
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: Marco Ruby pedeed his claim that Havana has weapons they

1008
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: acquired from quote Russia and China, and that they host

1009
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Russian and in Chinese intelligence in country, which is also

1010
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: interesting that he's so stuck in the Cold War he

1011
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: has to keep bringing Russia into it. Now there's a

1012
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: big debate as like how can it it is Trump

1013
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: actually to unseating the Cuban government, And that's always hard

1014
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: to tell because when he does talk about it, it

1015
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: sounds like, oh, he wants that feather in his cap.

1016
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: But you also get the feeling this is a thing

1017
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: where whoever he talks to last as in a lot

1018
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: of cases, going to heavily set his agenda. And Senator

1019
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 2: Chris Murphy, who serves on the Foreign Relations Committee, said

1020
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: something like that quote. I do think that as Trump

1021
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: gets older and he spends his days sleeping and worrying

1022
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: only about his ballroom, he's increasingly susceptible to dangerous people

1023
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: around him with dangerous agendas. And there is a crowd

1024
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: of Cuba hawks who have always wanted us to invade,

1025
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: and who think they might be able to take advantage

1026
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: of it increasingly checked out old man, and I just

1027
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: think we have to be prepared for that. And honestly,

1028
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: I think Chris pretty much like that. Yeah, it's more

1029
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: or less right, Chris. I think that's basically an accurate summary.

1030
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: The sanest man in the room.

1031
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right to me.

1032
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Let's turn to the midterm elections before we close. In Florida,

1033
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: the Groper candidate for Governor, James Fishback, who I did

1034
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: an episode about a few months ago, is not going

1035
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: to win that election, but he is pulling double digits,

1036
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: which is bad. And worse, he is dominating youth polls.

1037
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: He has fifty one percent in youth polls. That's ages

1038
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four. Really really dark look at a

1039
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: future of the Republican Party Fishback is like barely even

1040
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: like a crypto fascist. He's barely even hiding it. I mean,

1041
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: he plays with dog whistles, but also just openly says

1042
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of anti Semitic stuff and very racist attacks,

1043
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: all with a sort of wink wink, nudge nudge in

1044
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: that classic groper charisma style. But there's another aspect of

1045
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: the Fishback race I want to briefly mention is that

1046
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of ai ads targeted against Fishback,

1047
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: where it has like AI generated video deep fake style

1048
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: of Fishback with like the Squad and Russia and Putin

1049
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: and Alan Omar and Rashida Taalob foreign generals, Muslim leaders

1050
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: in the Middle East with her jobs. Basically, he's like

1051
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: welcoming all of these people into his home and they

1052
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: cut up an anti Israel cake and that's the ad.

1053
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: It looks, I mean like someone like me can tell

1054
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: it's AI a boomer might not be able to. And

1055
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: this is something that Thomas Massey, since losing his race,

1056
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: has said that he believes through talking with voters, specifically

1057
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: older voters, that many boomers and older voters believed the

1058
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: ai ads against Massi that Massey was in like a

1059
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: threuple with like AOC and someone else Elanomar. I think

1060
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: that he actually got calls his office got calls to

1061
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: asking if this was true. So these sorts of ai

1062
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: ads are a real problem, obviously, the fact that these

1063
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: are against Fishback. I'm not being sympathetic to Fishback here,

1064
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: but this is a more general societal problem. Moving on

1065
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: to another governor's race in Wisconsin, Democratic socialist Francesca Hong

1066
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: is ahead in the polls, but many people are still undecided.

1067
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: In a Wedgewood poll from mid July, Francesco Hong is

1068
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: up thirty eight percent, Mendela Barnes is thirty percent, and

1069
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: David Crowley is nine percent, though undecided or supporting another

1070
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: candidate is pulling up twenty three percent in that poll,

1071
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: so there could still be upwards of like twenty percent

1072
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: of people who are undecided. There's been some other polls

1073
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: in the past few days that show Francesca Hong about

1074
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: fifteen percent above everyone else, so that is a good

1075
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: sign for her. I know there's been some organizers from

1076
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: New York and across the country going into Wisconsin right

1077
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: now to help with this last leg of the campaign.

1078
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: This is a very important race looking at what the

1079
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: future of the viability of democratic socialism is going to

1080
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: be in swing states. This past week, David Crowley re

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Speaker 1: entered the race, which may split the moderate vote, which

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Speaker 1: could help Hong win the primary. It's another thing to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on here. In Maine, Troy Jackson is

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Speaker 1: said to be the Democratic cent nominee after organizers and

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Speaker 1: volunteers secured the vast majority of delegates for the nominee

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Speaker 1: replacement convention. I've mentioned Jackson a few times on the

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Speaker 1: show because he ran for governor with the endorsement of

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Speaker 1: DSA and Bernie Sanders, who was the only person to

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Speaker 1: receive the endorsement of DSA Platner did not. Jackson's a

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Speaker 1: former state lawmaker, a five generation lagger, very pro labor,

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Speaker 1: like the most like legitimate working class pro labor candidate.

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Speaker 1: He's pulling a little bit ahead of Collins right now,

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Speaker 1: like about three percent, but this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a very close race, is going to be very tough.

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Speaker 1: Another really close race right now is the Democratic send

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Speaker 1: primary in Michigan with corporate and APAC backed Hailey Stevens

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Speaker 1: going up against left wing populist Abdual l said, there

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Speaker 1: has been a ton of outside spending the past few

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Speaker 1: weeks with multiple attack ads smearing l said as quote

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Speaker 1: unquote sexist, and these are all just for him, like

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Speaker 1: criticizing female politicians, like criticizing Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 1: like not attacking them for being women, but doing very

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Speaker 1: sometimes actually very soft criticism of like their ability to

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Speaker 1: improve the world as political actors. But the playbook that

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Speaker 1: Stevens and that larger campaign has been using has been

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Speaker 1: trying to smear el said as a quote unquote sexist podcast. Bro.

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Speaker 1: This is the sort of last last light of defense.

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Speaker 1: This style of liberalism has had this going back to

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Speaker 1: this sort of identity reductionism. When they are faced with,

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Speaker 1: you know, vast actual economic and policy differences between two candidate,

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Speaker 1: the only thing they can do is, oh, but Hailey Stevens,

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Speaker 1: I am a woman, and this man must hate women.

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Speaker 1: APAC is helping with this. They've already spent at least

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars, with other corporate packs helping Stevens with

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Speaker 1: another twelve million. As of July first, there's already been

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Speaker 1: over forty six million in ad spending, seventy four percent

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Speaker 1: of which supports Stevens, and there's a lot of money

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Speaker 1: going in since that July first date as well. One

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Speaker 1: of the pro Stevens ads has manufactured a fake Obama

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Speaker 1: endorsement using old clips of Obama talking about Hailey Stevens

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Speaker 1: because she worked with him like fifteen years ago. Now

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Speaker 1: Obama has declined to comment on this sort of manufactured

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Speaker 1: fake endorsement, which is effectively just letting them do that.

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Speaker 1: If he's not going to say no, I haven't actually

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Speaker 1: endorsed in this race, then basically he's allowing them to

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Speaker 1: lie about him endorsing Stevens in this race. Meanwhile, laid

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Speaker 1: is on the news almost every week getting grilled about

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Speaker 1: why he doesn't support Israel enough. And Israel has been

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Speaker 1: a very important part of this race. This is in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Michigan was a big part of the uncommitted movement. And

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Speaker 1: Stephens is a ridiculously pro Israel candidate who has voted

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Speaker 1: to send tens of billions of dollars in unrestricted aid

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Speaker 1: to Israel, has stopped the Lebanon War Powers Resolution, has

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Speaker 1: banned the State Department from citing Gosa Health Ministry death tolls,

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Speaker 1: and Stevens also sees Israel in her dreams and in

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Speaker 1: the United States Congress.

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Speaker 4: I will continue to fight for the people of Israel.

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Speaker 1: I will continue to fight for Israel's existence. Israel comes

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Speaker 1: to me in my dreams. I see Israel's future. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Elsa AID wants to abolish ice, fight for medicare for all,

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Speaker 1: and cut off all aid to Israel. He's certainly running

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Speaker 1: a downstream of Zoron Mamdani's style campaign. With his videos.

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Speaker 1: He has declined to explicitly call himself a Democratic Socialist,

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of similarities in his platform to

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: some other DSA candidates like Zoron, though elsay it is

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Speaker 1: not endorsed by DSA, but he is running with backing

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Speaker 1: of the UAW and the Working Families Party. Speaking of elections,

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Speaker 1: let's close out by talking about election security, because on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, President Trump delivered what was promised to be

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Speaker 1: a very important address to the nation on election security.

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01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: The speech started out as a basically mini version of

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Speaker 1: his last State of the Union before he announced the

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Speaker 1: release of heavily redacted CIA documents on how China tried

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Speaker 1: to influence our past elections, intelligence reports on possible vulnerabilities

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: in our election infrastructure, and finally claiming that two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand non citizens are registered to vote. No

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Speaker 1: further details or evidence of that number. Basically, this whole

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: speech was a big ploy to try to pass this

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: Safe Act to restrict mail in voting and disenfranchised voters

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Speaker 1: with heightened ID requirements. Trump also talked about how China

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Speaker 1: had stolen election data. What actually happened was China downloaded

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: publicly available voter data in twenty twenty two that the

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Speaker 1: Trump Aadmin now claims could be used by foreign countries

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Speaker 1: to fraudulently vote in our elections. And of course China

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Speaker 1: was looking at possible influence operations as many foreign countries do.

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Speaker 1: Russia has done foreign influence operations. That's not changing vote

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Speaker 1: tallies or hacking into voting machines. That's doing disinformation campaigns,

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Speaker 1: which as we've seen with Tenet Media, Russia has certainly

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Speaker 1: been involved in recently, And according to some of these documents,

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Speaker 1: China was looking into if they wanted to run influence

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Speaker 1: operations for the twenty twenty election, and they actually declined to.

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Speaker 1: After Trump's address, reporters questioned John Solomon, a former right

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Speaker 1: wing journalist who Trump brought onto his election Task Force

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Speaker 1: to investigate possible voter fraud, and Solomon clarified that there's

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Speaker 1: no evidence that any foreign power tampered with US voting

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Speaker 1: machines or manipulated the vote count.

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Speaker 2: You acknowledged that there were no votes changed in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: All I can acknowledge is what the intelligence shone is right.

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Speaker 7: I only know the Intelligence Committee has zero evidence that

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Speaker 7: someone's flipped, that a foreign power flip they vote in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty, twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Or twenty four, and you have no you're able to

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Speaker 2: do through all the documents, You're.

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Speaker 1: Able to acknowledge that Venezuela has not tampered with voting

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Speaker 1: machines in the United States. No, the.

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Speaker 7: Intelligence is very clear they did it on their own machines.

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Speaker 7: Why is important that they did it on their machines.

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Speaker 7: Their machine protocols are the same as America. Why just

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Speaker 7: for a long time they did it.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty election was in fact the results as we

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Speaker 3: the American body researching.

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Speaker 7: So let me let me have this is the first

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Speaker 7: there's intelligence.

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Speaker 1: There's no intelligence at the election. Truman mar on Friday,

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Speaker 1: the day following Trump's address, DHS Secretary Mullen announced that

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Speaker 1: regardless of if the Save Act passes, he will institute

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Speaker 1: mandatory changes to election security, including scrubbing states voter rules.

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Speaker 8: We are going to make our second our our security

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Speaker 8: enhancements mandatory, meaning that if these states want to grant

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Speaker 8: and they want to be reimbursed to work or to

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Speaker 8: run federal elections, they're going to have to implement security issues,

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Speaker 8: just security issues. We're not trying to get into anything else,

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Speaker 8: but we're saying that the machines had to be secured

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Speaker 8: and that your voter restoration list needs to be scrubbed.

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Speaker 1: If this actually happens, this could possibly lead to many

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Speaker 1: people thinking they are registered to vote who are actually

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Speaker 1: not come election day and then be unable to vote.

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Speaker 1: This is a voter disenfranchisement tactic. Second time alone, later

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Speaker 1: directly contradicted what John Solomon said the night before, saying

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Speaker 1: that quote, we know for sure that foreign adversaries have

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Speaker 1: vital pieces of our voting machines, and the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: key to the back end of these machines.

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Speaker 8: We know that they can change voter registration and your vote.

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Speaker 8: We know it's possible. There's not a question. It's not

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Speaker 8: even for debate.

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Speaker 1: Finally, on Wednesday, the House advanced a bill to stop

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Speaker 1: insider trading, except Republicans added Save Act style measures into

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Speaker 1: this bill to pass new voter ID requirements to please Trump.

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Speaker 1: And part of why they put those Save AX style

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Speaker 1: measures into this bill is so that they could attack

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Speaker 1: Democrats in upcoming elections for voting against a bill to

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Speaker 1: stop insider trading. Literally seconds after this bill was voted

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Speaker 1: on the White House, rapid response accounts started posting, quote disgraceful,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety eight Democrats just voted against banning

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Speaker 1: members of Congress from trading stocks while they're in office.

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Speaker 1: They're corrupt, as you can see, very transparent ploy to

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Speaker 1: manufacture a vote to be used in elections to attack

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Speaker 1: Democrats for being corrupt. This quote unquote insider trading bill

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Speaker 1: will now go to the Senate with those Save Act

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Speaker 1: style voter ID measures included.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for that, Gaarre. And last, but

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Speaker 2: certainly not least, we've got one more edition of the

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Speaker 2: tariff song, and then talking about tariffs after it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk tariffs so long ago in account

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Speaker 1: far far away, which is to say, really truly not

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01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: that long ago, we did an episode on the hideously

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Speaker 1: illegal terrorists Trump imposed under the quote unquote authority of

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Speaker 1: Section one twenty two of the Trade Act of nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy four. These are the ones that are based on

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Speaker 1: this completely manufactured crisis about the US facing a balance

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Speaker 1: of payments crisis, a thing that cannot happen and is

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Speaker 1: not happening now. These tariffs, which is just a general

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Speaker 1: ten percent tariffunnal goods, are set to expire on Friday

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Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, quite possibly the day you're listening to this.

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Speaker 1: So on Monday, July twentieth, Trump took the most dramatic

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Speaker 1: terrorf action he has taken since the Supreme Court found

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Speaker 1: he was illegally using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act

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Speaker 1: to apply terraffs in February. By the time you are

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Speaker 1: listening to this, presumably he is going to have unleashed

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Speaker 1: a wrath. You know, I was originally gonna say raft,

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01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: but wrath actually works too. Of new time tariffs, but

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Speaker 1: as if to time of recording, the one that has

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Speaker 1: been revealed specifically is that he is imposing a fifty

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Speaker 1: percent tariff on goods imported from Canada or some goods

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Speaker 1: imported from Canada. Now, I'm going to get into what

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Speaker 1: that tariff is actually going to do in a second.

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Speaker 1: But the important thing here is not the specific tariff itself,

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Speaker 1: but the legal authority Trump is using to invoke it.

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Speaker 1: He is invoking Section three thirty eight of the so

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Speaker 1: called smoot Holly Terriff Act. If the name vaguely rings

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Speaker 1: a bell, it's probably because smoot Holly is best known

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Speaker 1: for exacerbating the Great Depression to the extent that it

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Speaker 1: is in Basically like every history textbook of the United

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Speaker 1: States you will read in high school will have this

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Speaker 1: in it. This Act smoot Holly is the final frontier

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Speaker 1: for terriff authority. It is the tariff big red button.

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Speaker 1: It is a power that has never been invoked before,

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Speaker 1: even by its creators, and I genuinely don't know if

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Speaker 1: it even still exists. This is the tariff rubicon, and

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Speaker 1: Trump has just crossed it. Now, before we get into

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Speaker 1: this more, let's talk for a second about Trump's nominal

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Speaker 1: fifty percent teriff on Canada, which is actually much less

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Speaker 1: of a big deal than it looks. The tariffs are

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Speaker 1: supposed to take effect on August nineteenth and has about

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Speaker 1: a million carveouts for you know, different kinds of Canadian goods, including,

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Speaker 1: for example, things like energy products, which is a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of what we import from Canada. So this is

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Speaker 1: only going to apply to about five point two percent

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Speaker 1: of Canadian trade with the US. I mean, obviously that

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Speaker 1: is still kind of a big deal for that five

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Speaker 1: percent of trade. But you know, there's a good chance

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Speaker 1: that these tariffs aren't going to go into effect at all,

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Speaker 1: and that this is sort of a piece of trade

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Speaker 1: leverage for negotiations with Canada. These you know, even if

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Speaker 1: they did go into effects, aren't going to be the

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Speaker 1: biggest deal. I'm also going to briefly mention that we

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Speaker 1: finally got the long awaited pharmaceutical import tariff. And when

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Speaker 1: I say long awaited, I have literally been waiting for

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Speaker 1: these tariffs to be announced since the beginning of the administration,

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Speaker 1: to the point where I literally stopped covering the announcements

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Speaker 1: that they were coming because they just never did. Apparently

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Speaker 1: they are also kind of a joke. They impose a

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent tariff on pharmaceutical imports, which would be

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Speaker 1: a massive deal, except it starts in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: It eventually rises at the two hundred percent, and like, Okay, yeah, sure, Donald,

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Speaker 1: whatever you say, that's not happening. None of the specifics

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Speaker 1: of the tariffs matter at all, or matter much at all.

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Speaker 1: What is significantly more important is Trump invoking three thirty

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Speaker 1: eight of Smooth Holly. Now, the reason he's doing this

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Speaker 1: is pretty clear. All of the other avenues he has

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Speaker 1: to impose tariffs legally actually have restrictions attached to them.

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Speaker 1: Section one twenty two tariffs, as we've mentioned, are only

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Speaker 1: supposed to be when there's a balance of payments crisis,

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Speaker 1: and you can only impose a flat rate, and once

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Speaker 1: he imposes them, they have to be reviewed by Congress,

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Speaker 1: and that's just not happening. Are expiring on Friday. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about the Section three oh one tariffs a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Those are the ones that nominally are about

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Speaker 1: forced labor, but those also have limits and can only

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Speaker 1: be imposed after a long and slow process of trade investigations. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously the way that that Trump has used both of

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Speaker 1: them is illegal, but even trying to use them illegally,

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Speaker 1: they have definite limits. Section three thirty eight of Smooth

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Speaker 1: Holly has basically no limits, and the one limit that's

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Speaker 1: relevant for our purposes is a fifty percent maximum teriff rate. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: it lets the president impose tariffs on whatever country he

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Speaker 1: wants for the extremely nepulous reasoning of that country having

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Speaker 1: placed quote the commerce of the United States at a

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Speaker 1: disadvantage compared to the commerce of any foreign country. Trump,

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Speaker 1: can you say any country is doing this for any reason?

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Speaker 1: We are back to Calvinball nonsense. This nominal legal authority

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Speaker 1: allows Trump to do whatever he wants trade wise, up

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Speaker 1: to a fifty percent tariff. Now, again, it is widely

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Speaker 1: expected that by the time you're reading this, we're already

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Speaker 1: going to have seen more tariffs. I'm expecting something akin

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Speaker 1: to a smaller scale version of liberation tariffs. By the

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Speaker 1: time you're listening, you will know more. Now. The reason

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about section three thirty eight of Smooth Holly,

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Speaker 1: and the reason I've described it as like the big

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Speaker 1: red button of tariffs, like it's the tariff rubicon, is

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Speaker 1: because not only has it never been used before, right

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Speaker 1: you know, the section one twenty two has also never

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Speaker 1: been used before, but this one, specifically section three thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: there is a real question as to whether it's even

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Speaker 1: still in effect now The argument you will most commonly

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Speaker 1: see is that Section three thirty eight has never formally

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Speaker 1: been repealed and therefore is still on the books. This

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Speaker 1: is a law that was passed in nineteen thirty The

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: co administration is making the argument that because it has

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Speaker 1: never formally been repealed, it is still on the books. However,

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Speaker 1: the problem is that there exists a thing called superseding

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Speaker 1: statute or a quote imply I repeal. This is the

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Speaker 1: argument that I've seen that this law is not still

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Speaker 1: on the books. I've seen various versions of it. The

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Speaker 1: one that is kind of spreading around now, for better

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01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: or for worse, kind of for worse to some extent,

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Speaker 1: is from Philip Zelico, who is a Hoover Institute guy

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Speaker 1: and a history professor who's writing in Reason magazine. So, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, these are not the people I would normally

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Speaker 1: turn to in terms of getting legal analysis on everything,

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Speaker 1: but I actually think there's a kind of a decent

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Speaker 1: argument that they might be right. And their argument is that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because of the way that you know, laws can supersede

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Speaker 1: other laws, Right, if you write a second law that

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Speaker 1: is about the same thing as the first law, and

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Speaker 1: it covers explicitly the same thing. It can repeal the

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Speaker 1: first law. It's sketchy, the courts don't like it functioning

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Speaker 1: like that, but it does technically work like that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Zelico argues that a whole train of statutes,

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Speaker 1: ranging from the Trade Expansion Act of nineteen sixteen to

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Speaker 1: our old friend section three oh one, if the Trade

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Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventy four cover exactly the same things

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Speaker 1: and therefore have repealed the statute. I think that's actually plausible.

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Speaker 1: And this is, you know, part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: no one has ever actually tried to use this stuff,

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Speaker 1: because there have been subsequent legislation to describe these exact

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Speaker 1: powers and describe what you can do with them. So

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Speaker 1: whether it even still exists is extremely dubious. Now, this

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Speaker 1: is probably not going to survive a challenge in court,

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Speaker 1: but until the legal challenge actually winds its way through

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Speaker 1: the courts, Trump is going to be free to do

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Speaker 1: as Calvin Ball nonsense, and we're back to you know,

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: twenty five era. Trump just declaring a tariff is happening

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: in a country every morning. Now on a broader level, right,

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Speaker 1: what's happening here is that the way the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: has been doing. Shadow docket decisions have allowed Trump to

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Speaker 1: simply keep breaking the law and seizing more illegal power

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01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: and then using it until the Supreme Court gets around

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: and taking that power away. Now, obviously this is not

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Speaker 1: true of everything he's been trying to do with terriffs.

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Speaker 1: In particular, he's been extremely successful in simply applying the

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Speaker 1: tariffs and then keeping them into effect until the legal

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Speaker 1: challenges go through the courts. That looks like what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen here, which is going to give him probably

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Speaker 1: another I mean, it's going to give him but at

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Speaker 1: least half a year probably of the ability to just

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Speaker 1: do whatever bullshit tariff policy he wants, which means another

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Speaker 1: year of completely unhinged economic instability for the entire global economy.

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Speaker 1: It means another year of all you know, of supply

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Speaker 1: lines being degraded, of prices increasing, and of all of

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Speaker 1: us getting absolutely screwed. Okay, put a transgole on your couch.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news. We reported the news.

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