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Speaker 1: What's up bout your happy hour? I'm one of your

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Speaker 1: host Becca Goo friends, and I'm your other host, Michelle Young.

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Speaker 1: And this week we're obviously chatting all about everything that

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Speaker 1: went down on this week of Paradise. But Michelle, what

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Speaker 1: makes it even more excited the day has finally come.

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Speaker 1: We are talking to one of our favorites from this season,

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Speaker 1: King the Geriatric Millennials, and our ultimate narrator, mister Casey himself.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, did you just introduce him as a

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Speaker 1: geriatric millennial? Yes, and I can say that because I

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Speaker 1: feel like I also consider myself a geriatric millennial, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: So it's all about, well, yes, we do have a

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Speaker 1: lot to cover this week. I'm so excited to talk

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Speaker 1: to do our little catchup and then we'll get started

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Speaker 1: with him. I cannot wait. Um, how was life and

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Speaker 1: you've been traveling all over the place. You were just

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of being down on the field with

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Speaker 1: fun weekend. I felt a little bit bad because I

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Speaker 1: felt like I was like a Vikings trader. I definitely

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Speaker 1: such a trader. Okay, but they're in a different conference. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're in a different conference. That makes it okay, it

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Speaker 1: does make it better maybe. But also that information came

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Speaker 1: from the Chiefs. That's what the Chiefs fans were telling

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Speaker 1: me to say. But um no, I am still a

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Speaker 1: it was it was awesome. I don't think I've ever

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Speaker 1: the way that these fans were able to boo collectively

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Speaker 1: was insane. Wow. So it takes a village, Yes, it

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Speaker 1: really does. Everyone's on the same page. Speaking of loud,

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Speaker 1: have you now that you are in LA, have you

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers play there too. I'm assuming I

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Speaker 1: Like Thomas and I went last year, and you know,

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Speaker 1: It is that loud. It sounds like one of those

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Speaker 1: It's so when you go to that game, one of

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Speaker 1: those games, please let me know, because we should. We

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Speaker 1: And then I'm also going to order on Amazon. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're at all these like sporting events and you

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Speaker 1: what I need. To catch me with some of those.

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Speaker 1: That's what I need any sporting em but I go

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Speaker 1: to UM. Well, speaking of sports, Thomas would murder me

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Speaker 1: Diego Padres this week, the Dodgers last week, and tonight

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Speaker 1: there it's the next round of the playoffs, or playing Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: So when you said that you felt like a trader.

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Speaker 1: I get it, because I of course love the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 1: I saw him on social media. He was like, on

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Speaker 1: it was a beer. It was a Miller High Life.

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Speaker 1: He was sworraying all over. Yes, it was nut champagne.

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Speaker 1: And then he proceeded to bore it on his head

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you are rans, but I love you. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: past week. Right, Well, what would you say, is like

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Speaker 1: the first Podress game I ever went to Michelle. I

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Speaker 1: moment that we've been waiting for. We've been asking for

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Loosen up a little bit, Casey.

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Speaker 1: the rose or after the swerve and was like, oh

428
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: my God, get me out of here. You're never gonna

429
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: believe like what just happened. And I was like, actually,

430
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what happened because Romeo told me

431
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: exactly what he was going to do. And I said,

432
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: You're an idiot. I said, you're an idiot, said Romeo.

433
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: You just patched things up with Jill, Like after all

434
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: the drama with Kira and Jill like losing her mind

435
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: over this, you actually somehow got yourself out of the doghouse,

436
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: go tend to her and be a good you know,

437
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to be. I'm like, I said, this

438
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: is going to blow up in your face. Um, and

439
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: he started laughing and you know, and then went for it,

440
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: and so you know, everyone's gonna do what they're gonna do.

441
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: Did Romeo know that at that point you were kind

442
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: of trying to vibe things out with Brittany and that

443
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: you had shared a kiss or was he completely in

444
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: the dark brit Brittany and I hadn't shared a kiss

445
00:23:53,320 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: or like really solidified her connection until after his scene. Brittany, Yeah, okay,

446
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: that was Actually that was like the impetus because at

447
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: that point Britnie and I hadn't had like a long

448
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: one on one conversation. That was when she was like,

449
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: get me that out of here. Wait, so are you

450
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: saying you could like you connected over that moment when

451
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't help like save. I don't

452
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: think we didn't spend a long time talking about Romeo

453
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: at all. I think it was just like a hey,

454
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: I need to get out of here. Yeah, like and

455
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: I was like, let's let's go talk. Let's because I

456
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: had been I'd definitely be interested in talking to her

457
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: for a while. Um, as you guys know, it seems

458
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: like a free for all, but there's a lot of

459
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: constraints in terms of what you can and cannot do

460
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: throughout the day. You get pulled for interviews, you have

461
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: to do a man chat, you have to do this,

462
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm trying to like, like I was

463
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: even trying to plan a like like a cute date

464
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: for us, and they were like, Okay, no, no, we

465
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: can we can do that. And then and I'm like, guys,

466
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: like this is killing me. So you guys know, it's

467
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: not it's not an open free for all. It's it's

468
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: you have to really work hard to make that time

469
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 1: for you, for the person when you're interested in. That

470
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: would be so hard too, because Kasey, you also always

471
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: came off as a very like creative person and like,

472
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you're kind of on I don't want

473
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: to call the normal show, but like the Bachelor of

474
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: bath Starette kind of what says goes right, Like you

475
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of wiggle room as far as

476
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: like what activities are taking place. You have to be

477
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: a team player. Like you said, did you think that

478
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: you'd have a little more freedom on the beach, Yeah,

479
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: And there was more freedom. There definitely was, And you know,

480
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: I did get the opportunity to have conversations with people.

481
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that one of the big issues that I

482
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: ran into was it seemed like so many people from

483
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: day one were already sort of like linked from moment one.

484
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: So Andrew and We kind of linked, Brandon and Serene

485
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: were linked, Jill and Romeo were linked. So when I'd

486
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to Jill and I'm trying to

487
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: like make some inroads with Jill and maybe like strike

488
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: a connection, She's just going back and talking about Romeo, Romeo, Romeo,

489
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: and like, I think there's even a clip where you

490
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: see me talking to her. I was like, yeah, but

491
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: if that situation doesn't work, why don't we talk about

492
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: And it was hard, you know. And I don't fault

493
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: them for having interest in someone when they get there.

494
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: I think I had interest in someone when I got there,

495
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: but she wasn't there, So, you know, we all deal

496
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: with the realities on the ground. But I found a

497
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: lot of times I was trying to connect on a

498
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: deeper level and they sort of already had their mind,

499
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, in a direction I gotta ask, you ask

500
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: because because you, as the official narrator on the beach

501
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: thus far have a lot more intel and behind the scenes,

502
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: I am so confused. I feel like so many of

503
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: these couples that are now linked up on the beach

504
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: have some sort of history, and Michelle and I have

505
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: like touched on it on past podcast. We've like tried

506
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: to learn more about we don't quite know, like what

507
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: is the deal, Like what is the extent of And

508
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm just going to name names. Brandon and Serene knowing

509
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: each other before coming down to the beach, we kind

510
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: of know more about, like Jill and Romeo and Kira,

511
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: but then we also have Michael and Danielle. Like it

512
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: seems like there are so many people who know each

513
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: other and have had conversations. Maybe they never hung out before,

514
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: but yeah, please lay the groundwork for everyone on a

515
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: happy hour here because we're all confused. Yeah. I feel

516
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like I am an arbiter of honesty, and I like

517
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: to tell it very straight. I don't really mince words.

518
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know the extent of the back channel communication.

519
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: I hear things, you know. I heard people saying I

520
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: played matchmaker between this person and that person. And I

521
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: also heard people saying listening. You know, we've we've we've

522
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: sent messages. We've sent messages, but I don't know what degree. Okay,

523
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I heard there was some matchmaking going on behind the

524
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: scenes with Michael and his new girl. Okay, I heard that.

525
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: I like, that doesn't shock like, I feel like interesting,

526
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I like, but I don't know. I don't know, like

527
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: the extent of other things. I don't think like Brandon

528
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: Serene had ever met in person. I think some of

529
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: it even starts with them going on shows and saying

530
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I have an interest in this person. And here's the thing.

531
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: There is commingling. So like I went to Roddy's birthday

532
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: party and we were all out there and if people don't,

533
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, you might name three people, Oh, I'm interested

534
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: in this person, this person, this person, and then you're

535
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: hanging out with Jena, Vivan and Boat and it's like, no, no,

536
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: I really like, I really like Serene. I don't It

537
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: could be as innocent as that, and I really without

538
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: having you know, firsthand knowledge of like oh no, this,

539
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: this and this happened. I'm not going to say anything

540
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: that I don't know for real. But is there some

541
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: degree of like back channel communication. I think it's pretty evident.

542
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: I think it's it's hard to deny. What are your thoughts,

543
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on people talking? I think I

544
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: asked Becka this question as well earlier at a previous episode.

545
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: But what what is your opinion about people having full

546
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: conversations before they get to the beach, or having conversations

547
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: if someone, you know, a couple were to have a

548
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: conversation about like you're my person, we are meeting up right,

549
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Because Bachelor World is a small family. Once you're in it,

550
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: it's weird and there's there's there's no way around each

551
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: other not talking to somebody at some point like everyone's DMA,

552
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: like when the seasons were going on, Like there's no

553
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: way around that part exactly, but like to what extent

554
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: and like to what extent of Like it's unrealistic to say, Okay,

555
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna talk to you, I'm never gonna acknowledge you,

556
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Like no, that's that's that's humane, like you're going to

557
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: do those things. But yeah, and I think I have

558
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: some friends of conversations too. I think when I think

559
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: when the line blurs, When the line blurs is when

560
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: you start to make some really like a game plan

561
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: game plan. Well any game plan I think is kind

562
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: of screwed up. And I think that it's I just

563
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: think that you're not buying into the actual process, and

564
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: that you should go in there like being excited for

565
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: what could unexpectedly occur, you know what I mean. I

566
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: think those are like some of the most fun relationships.

567
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I I like watching Johnny and Victoria.

568
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: They're like great and again not to say like someone

569
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: who has mutual interests. It's a very complicated thing. I

570
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: think the main thing is the less people communicate, the better.

571
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: To your point, there seems to be at some degree

572
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: of inevitability. Um So, I don't know, it's a really

573
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: tricky one. I'm not trying to judge people for talking.

574
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: I had a couple friendly conversations too, but um, you know, Okay,

575
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: sometimes it would kind of cross the line and I'd

576
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: be like, not going to cross that line. And that's

577
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: hard too, And I totally get that case, and I

578
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: do respect, like you do want to buy into the process,

579
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: and like, honestly, as a person watching it, even with

580
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: all this and viewers at home, we want to see

581
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: love stories, Like we want to see these stories not

582
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: only like these relationships like flourish, but we want to

583
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: see them work and be successful when they're outside of this.

584
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: We don't want it to be temporary, right, But also

585
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll throw something. Sorry I didn't even help you, but

586
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: I just want to throw something out there though that

587
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: people don't realize if some people are doing these back

588
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: channel things to try to assure their spot on paradise, well,

589
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and now they want they want people listing as many

590
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: people as they can, like saying, oh, I'm interested in

591
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: this person, so that way they're a hot commodity on

592
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: the beach. So they're strategy to this for sure. But

593
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I would say my biggest issue, My biggest issue is

594
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: when people have these conversations to make game plans, then

595
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: come down to the beach and then portray to the

596
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: world as if they don't know a single thing about

597
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: each other. That's where I get issue with it, because

598
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: it's just like, Okay, who are you fooling now, Like

599
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: just be honest, right, Like it's okay to have interest, honestly,

600
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: it's okay to have conversations, like you said, to a

601
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: certain extent, but it's hard when people, you know, when

602
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: you're acting and you're putting on a face that and

603
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: being dishonest about it and trying to you know, almost

604
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: like pull one over on the audience. Okay, wait, so then, Michelle,

605
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, no from this season, no,

606
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: no, no no, if for a time about this who from

607
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: this season is kind of rubbing you in that way. See, Okay,

608
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna preface Okay, I'm gonna preface this by saying,

609
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: I truly, I truly, truly love Brandon and Serena together.

610
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I think they are they are my number one couple.

611
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: They are the couple that I think is going to well.

612
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: They're they're like they're Joe and Serena of last year.

613
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: They are yea, like they are the couple that is,

614
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: they're the real couple. Like they are the couple that

615
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: honestly when I'm watching them on the screen, they're gonna

616
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: engaged love each other, They're gonna get engaged. But after this,

617
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: like they're gonna make it through whatever shit storm comes.

618
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: And like I feel like if any couple were to

619
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: do that, that'd be them. Preface this by because you

620
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: know the haters are going to be like this shows no,

621
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Like Brandon and I didn't work out for a reason,

622
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Nate and I didn't work out, And I'm happy that

623
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: way that it didn't work out, like my just because

624
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it didn't work out with Nate doesn't mean that my

625
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: person was somebody for my season, Okay, But what I

626
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: will say is it is hard to watch knowing things

627
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: that I have heard back when I was in a

628
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: relationship of the depth of this, and to like come

629
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: down and watch people, what do you do? You know?

630
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like it's more just like let's

631
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: be honest, Like let's tell the real, genuine story, because

632
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: you are genuine, raw people, and you they're great people,

633
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: so then let's just let's be honest. So then like

634
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: my Devil's advocate here and like take it to another couple,

635
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Danielle and Michael. I was gonna call him Mikey for

636
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: a hot second, I don't know that well. But and

637
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: then Casey, you can chime in here too, because you

638
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: obviously know more. But like he they both kind of

639
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: explained the situation like they had dmmed before. And I

640
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: will say this, I could see the connection between the

641
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: two because of their shared history. They both have lost

642
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: either a fiancee or a partner, and so I could

643
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: see why when they started talking. When Michael was on

644
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: right after Katie's season, which was you know, like a

645
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: year and a half close to two years ago. I

646
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: could see why, Like I could see why she chose

647
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: to reach out to be like, hey, I can relate.

648
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: This is a weird world we're in now. If you ever,

649
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, like need somebody to talk to or you know,

650
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: to vent about all of this, Like I'm here so

651
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: I can understand that situation. And I'm glad that they

652
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: kind of laid the groundwork for those two to explain it. Yeah,

653
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, is like I think

654
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: reaching out, Like, honestly, the best part of this whole,

655
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: all these experiences, is the fact that you have these

656
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: people who have been through this weird as hell experience

657
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: with you, like of course reach out, of course check in,

658
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: like all these seasons are going on, like those are honestly,

659
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: those are like Bachelor people are the only ones to

660
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: really understand what we went through, and it's it is,

661
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. What extent do you explain your history

662
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: or avoid explaining your history. I'll give you a funny

663
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you a funny one. I could be a

664
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: funny reversal. I could be a funny reversal of this,

665
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: which is that at Rodney's birthday, like, we went on

666
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: a boat. We were out there for hours. Then we

667
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: went to a nightclub. Genevieve was there. I get to

668
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: the beach on Paradise, I'm like, hey, Genevieve. She's like, oh,

669
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. I'm Genevieve. I was like, we

670
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: met twice, so I wish that Damn. Wait, so she

671
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, then, Casey, did she not

672
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: remember because there was just like too much alcohol buff

673
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: or is she just trying to play it like, oh

674
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know you at all because I just want

675
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: people to listen there. There were there were like twenty

676
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: people there, and I just chalk it up to me

677
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: not being memorable enough. Oh well, it's okay, Casey, I

678
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: didn't if it makes you feel better. I didn't get

679
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: the invite to that party because there were no girls allowed.

680
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh damn. Should have felt that run flag a long

681
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: time ago. I also heard too many stories about that

682
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: party while I was on tour, and I'm like, I

683
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: don't don't tell me anything more. I don't want to

684
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: anything else about this party. So many stories, so many stories,

685
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like stop. I got so many dms that weekend.

686
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I got so many DMS. It was, it was. It

687
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: was no bueno, no girls, loud, bullshit, there was plenty

688
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: of Okay, okay, let's take it back to Casey, back

689
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: to paradise. Yes, I'm gonna let you off the hook

690
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: your Casey because we're gonna get into something. No, no,

691
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: we're another kind of drama. I want to talk to Casey,

692
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: nobody else. Um. So we see Peter come down on

693
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: the beach, takes Brittany on that date you know, didn't

694
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: go well. She comes back, So let's get into this

695
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: like small bit of drama between Peter and what he

696
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: was saying to you about Brittany. We saw how that

697
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: all went down. Looking back, now, do you regret saying

698
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: anything to Brittany about like what Peter was saying about her? Like,

699
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: do you wish you would have just held it in?

700
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: Or are you still like No, I stand by what

701
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: I said. He was saying some pretty crappy things. I

702
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent stand by the choice to let Brittany

703
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: know that someone was slandering her. I think that, you know,

704
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I have. First of all, I heard brittany story firsthand,

705
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the fact that she was slandered before. I think she

706
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: absolutely deserves a right to defend herself, and by the way,

707
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: she had the full right to not confront him if

708
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: she felt like, you know what, he's going home anyway.

709
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to make a bigger deal of it.

710
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: That was one hundred percent her choice. I think that

711
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I would have had a total separate issue if I

712
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: had either done like White Knighting and been like, I'm

713
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: the one who's gonna be the one defending you, and

714
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: did it like she has the right to make decisions

715
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: on her behalf. I think it was her right to

716
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: know what was being said about her, just like I

717
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: think everybody else wants to know if someone is putting

718
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: nasty things about me out in the world and speaking

719
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: on my name, I want to know. I think everyone

720
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: feels that way. I also, one hundred percent knew that

721
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: I was not getting a rose from Brittany. And that's

722
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: where it gets a little tricky, because the night when

723
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: I heard that from Peter, I immediately went to tell

724
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Brittany so she could deal with it, and she was

725
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: making out with Andrew, So I'm like, there wasn't a

726
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: lot of like daylight in terms of what was going on.

727
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: Brittany was very open about being interested in Andrew and

728
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: at that point vice versa. So like, that's unfortunate. But

729
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of interesting stuff that I saw

730
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: back when I watched it. For instance, when I got

731
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: down to the beach, I goes approached by a mob

732
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: of a few people led by Andrew Spencer, who cursed

733
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: me out, like straight up cursed me out. And wait,

734
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: after I would talk to Brittany, you mean for just

735
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: psimply telling her I got down to the beach, and

736
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, what the fuck is wrong

737
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: with you? You just want to start drama? Da da

738
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: da da, And I was like no, and then I

739
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: tried to defend myself and literally Andrew says to me,

740
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear a single thing out of

741
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: your mouth. And then there were a couple of people

742
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: with him, one of which has apologized to me about

743
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: the whole circumstance and was just kind of like, hey,

744
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: I got caught up in the moment. I can understand

745
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: people being mad that there was drama. At the same time,

746
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: like I do think it was her right to know,

747
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: and again, it was her decision to do whatever she

748
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: was going to do with that information. If you also

749
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: see I like went and we were pulled aside by

750
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: the bathroom, where like I was like, no cameras can

751
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: see us. It was like I wasn't making a big

752
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: spectacle yea, and it It was also kind of weird

753
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: that like Michael says, I like to ruffle feathers when

754
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I have never been associated with drama ever, like if anything,

755
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: yes I will. I will call men out when they

756
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: do disgusting behavior. But I was never like confrontational. I'm

757
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: never trying to like it and stuff. Do I make

758
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: lots of jokes, yes, I make a thousand jokes a

759
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: day because that is my way. I love to like

760
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: cut the tension and be silly. And by the way,

761
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: like that line where I'm like I think I might

762
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: have a chance with Serene, which you know, yes, but

763
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: that was after that was after I had told Brittany

764
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: they had Michael justin and I up there waiting to

765
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: give us have a man chat or something. But like

766
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: when I got down there, it was pandemonium. And then

767
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I was like whoa, And then I got cursed out

768
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: by multiple people, um and I was I was taken aback.

769
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, what is happening. Am

770
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: I getting painted to be a villain for what I

771
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: really thought was doing the honorable thing? And uh and

772
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, the like the confluence of factors he you know,

773
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: low blood, shooker, lack of sleep, all of a sudden whoosh,

774
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, I don't know, no I I

775
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really have a relationship with him

776
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: on the beach. Um. I think some people come in

777
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: there with like some people, you go up to him

778
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: and this is across the board, and you're like, hey, um,

779
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: how's it going, where are you from? What do you do? Dada?

780
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: You're like talking. Sometimes that conversation is one hundred percent

781
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: one sided, and the person just thinks you're fascinated by them,

782
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: you're a fan. And then some people are like decent

783
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: humans and you get to know each other and you connect.

784
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I will say there were a few people who thought

785
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: they were, you know, special, and I'm like, oh, okay,

786
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: you're just kind of fool of yourself. And I know

787
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: that's throwing shots, but it is what it is. Listen,

788
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't fault you for taling Brittany. At the end

789
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: of the day, and from my point of view, just

790
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: as a viewer seeing it all go down, and I

791
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: would have wanted to be in Britney's position. I would

792
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: have wanted to know what's being said about me so

793
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I could choose what I wanted, you know, if I

794
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: wanted to confront somebody. But I don't I think like

795
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: from what everything we saw, like Peter was the one

796
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: saying these things like there's no way around that, Like

797
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: we saw it directly out of his mouth, talking shit

798
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: about Brittany, and so I feel like he was the

799
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: one in the wrong here, and obviously he ended up

800
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: going home right after you. But I don't think it's

801
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: crazy to me, Like I don't think anyone should have

802
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: faulded you for that, Like obviously everyone thinks like certain

803
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: things are going to stir up drama. But I think

804
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was her right

805
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: to know. I would have appreciated it. I appreciate you

806
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: saying that. I like it genuinely weighed heavy on my

807
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: heart when everything went down, and when I got cursed out,

808
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like I did, I

809
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: completely misunderstand the situation. So no, I sincerely appreciate you're

810
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: saying that, and you know, ultimately you know could better words,

811
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: better situations stata like we're all human. I am in

812
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: no way perfect, I am totally fallible. But that decision

813
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: I stand by. And I also want to say this too.

814
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: If that didn't go down, Peter wouldn't have revealed the

815
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: degree of his misogyny and his nastiness. All the stuff

816
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: that came out after once he was confronted was exponentially

817
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: worse than him calling a cloud chaser. I mean, cloud

818
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: chaser can't get all that is bad. Everything that came

819
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: after was such a revelation of who he was. And

820
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I know Peter. I spent lots of

821
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: time with Peter. I've seen Peter outside of the show

822
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: in South Florida, like I know his character. I also

823
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: after the mentel all we were stuck in the same

824
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: suv together going back to the hotel and he screamed

825
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: in my face for twenty minutes straight like after both

826
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: throw it yeah, after because he hate it after the

827
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: mental all because about but I'm about because I was.

828
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: I was not super nice to him on the mentel

829
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: all because but like he I mean, I remember as

830
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: that went on right like that whole entire God, this

831
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: memory lane, here we go, you know, mental all and

832
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: everything he left, he left. The episode ended with him

833
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: dishing out his pizza to everybody. Yeah, which is why

834
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: I thought everything was like, was it his pizza? Yeah,

835
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: it was. It was actually his pizza. Don't know. I

836
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: don't think there's no way his pizza was delivered there,

837
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: but I mean it was cold while we ate it,

838
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: so I figured that it's definitely like here, it's definitely

839
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: not his pizza from Miami. But yeah, I think I

840
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: think one of the important things to know though, is

841
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: that as much as he sort of seems to be

842
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: playing up this character like that really is him. This

843
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: is him, And he exposed himself when Brittany con runted him.

844
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: Instead of taking a moment and saying, like, maybe I

845
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be saying this stuff, he like went times ten.

846
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he like quadrupled down on his nasty words

847
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: about not only Brittany but about women in general, and like,

848
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, if I have to be unable to walk

849
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: for a long time to expose that, like all right, honestly,

850
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: like and yeah, and at the end of the day,

851
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: like that it is we all understand. It is a

852
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: reality TV show, you know, certain things are put together

853
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: for the show. But also too, like everything that comes

854
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: out of our moms, like when you're seeing it is

855
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: like what people say. And so it's like, right, he

856
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: did end up showing his true colors, you know, was

857
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: it in a way people would have hoped? Maybe? Maybe not?

858
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: Who's to say, but I'm got it was exposed honestly.

859
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Also like, yeah, people, you can edit the show in

860
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: different ways to create things to be portrayed a certain way,

861
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: but film don't lie, Like nobody put those misogynistic words

862
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: out of your mouth like you said that and in

863
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: any scenario like the way that that was cut or edited. No,

864
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: you said that from start to finish, And like that's

865
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: what's so. I mean, Peter, do you think he understands

866
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: what went down? Like do you think he? No? But

867
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: it was really interesting. So there's two things that's really interesting.

868
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: One is the first time Peter and I talked was

869
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: the night when he talked to Romeo and I about

870
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: the date, And at the beginning of that he actually

871
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: said to me, he apologized to me about the whole

872
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: mental all thing, and he said, listen, I've really been

873
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: reflecting over this last year. I realized that I might

874
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: have been an ego maniac on the show. I didn't

875
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: necessarily need to be the loudest person in the room

876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: all day, all night. And I shook his hand and

877
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: I was like, well, listen, if you if you're gonna

878
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: come humbly, hat in hand, you know, I actually kind

879
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: of felt bad in that moment because obviously I was

880
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: calling him a d bag and stuff and during the daytime.

881
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: But he came to me in a very like gentlemanly way,

882
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: said a lot of really nice things. Romeo can confirm

883
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: that he was there. And I shook his hand, and

884
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: then immediately he went into this bullshit with with Brittany,

885
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this guy can't even he can't even

886
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: pretend to be a gentleman for more than ten minutes.

887
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: And I think it was later in that night, so

888
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: he knew that I had given a roast to Brittany

889
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, ultimately got in the friend zone,

890
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: and so I think he thought that I had some

891
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: sort of like ill will against her, and he's like, yo, Casey,

892
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: now that we have this new formed friendship, I was

893
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: thinking we should attack Brittany. Let's bury her. And that's

894
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: why you see in the episode, I said, his response

895
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: to a bad day is let's bury her. So the

896
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: other thing that people need to realize is he was

897
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: literally telling me I am going to attack her. I

898
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: want to bury her. Those were his words, and to

899
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: not even give her a heads up. You know, it's

900
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: not even just him running his mouth. It's him saying

901
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: like I have an agenda or a vendetta. It was

902
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: like it was more pronounced. Honestly, if you know that information,

903
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a moral issue. Like if you

904
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: know that information and somebody's saying like that extent of

905
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: those words, it's like if you don't, if you just

906
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: sit back and watch them get blindsided, Like I really

907
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: do appology for not being I mean, I guess what

908
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: can you call it a bandwagon jumper? You know, like

909
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: truly like thinking for yourself, because shit, you're I mean,

910
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: you can like to sit back and watch them do that,

911
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: Like that's terrible band wagon minnesotannot was. There's definitely lines

912
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: that I think should not be crossed, Like regardless if

913
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: it's a TV show and people are trying to like

914
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: give certain soundbites or say certain things to be funny

915
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: or dramatic whatever it might be, like, there are certain

916
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: lines that should not be crossed. And if that was

917
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: the case, and if that was said, I feel like

918
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: Peter should have just gotten the boot from the powers

919
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: that be at that point, because that is not okay.

920
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: If that's a threat, that's not okay. Now, so that

921
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: should not continued. Um casey, let's get into So we

922
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: saw you leave, but then fast forward, you know, we

923
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: saw what went down in the next episode where the

924
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: show did this big split between the men and the women.

925
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: The girls had to go to a different hotel at

926
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: that point, Like watching it all now and like, how well,

927
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: I would say, miserable for the girls it seemed. Are

928
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: you kind of happy you left when you did or

929
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: do you still feel like a part of you missed out? Oh?

930
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: I absolutely wanted to be there. The person that I

931
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: was most interested in meeting was Kate Galivan, who showed

932
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: up for that split. So, um, you know, I will

933
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: say on that day I was one hundred percent ready

934
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: to go home. I'm like, I got it, I got

935
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: my Paradise experience. But for me, as much as it

936
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: seems like I was there to just have a vacation

937
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: and hang out, I really wanted to meet someone. I'm

938
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: at the place in my life where I'm one hundred

939
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: percent ready to settle down. I mean literally, Like the

940
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: conversation I had with Brittany was like, I want marriage,

941
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: I want kids, Like I'm I'm in a great place

942
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: in my life and I just need a partner to

943
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: build something with, you know. So I that was my

944
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: number one goal was to meet someone special, and um yeah,

945
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean if you hadn't had conversations with me there,

946
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm like looking, I was like grasping for because I

947
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: was so miserable. I was like, oh God, I'm so gross.

948
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, but but if the little you know,

949
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: if the little miracle just walks down, And even up

950
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: until that Rose night, like all my interviews were, I

951
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: have no chance. I don't see him. I don't see

952
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: any way that I'm going to stay unless right before

953
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony they'd bring a couple of more girls,

954
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: and there were so many. The stacking was so different

955
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: like before Romeo left. I think it was like six

956
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: or seven dudes who were a lot of guys still.

957
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: So I just kept thinking, like can they really send

958
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: that many home? And kind of hold out hope that

959
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: some girl that, like, you know, I can really connect

960
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: with even if it's last minute. So I remained I

961
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: remained hopeful up until you know, those last moments. So

962
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: how has it then watching like the moment when dan

963
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Yelle walks down, because you and Michael were in the

964
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: same boat up until the moment you left, like he

965
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't feel like he had a connection. He thought he

966
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: was going home, and then fast forward in walks Danielle

967
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: to save the day for him. So watching that moment

968
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: back now, that kind of give you a little gut

969
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: punch of like, oh, that could have been me too.

970
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: My mother is texting me going like I wonder if

971
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: they would have brought down Cake too, And I'm like, Mom,

972
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't that. I don't need those hypotheticals. Let's just

973
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: pretend my my ass was going home. Honestly, I can

974
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: picture you though down the road like this is gonna be.

975
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: This is just gonna be a little like part of

976
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: your story of whoever lucky lady you know that falls

977
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: in love with you fall in love with her, And

978
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: the reason why you were not on the beach was

979
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: because literally higher power took you off that beach by

980
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: fainting and passing out and shattering your ankle. You know,

981
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: you had no way, you couldn't stay, you didn't even

982
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: have an option, like you well to say, it was

983
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: a you know, an act of God, and everything has

984
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: a reason, and We'll continue to be optimistic and hopeful.

985
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: And I will say too, like Michelle, I had such

986
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: a great experience on your season, which is the reason

987
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: that I signed up for Paradise, Like I really did

988
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: have a wonderful experience. And you know, I try try

989
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: to try to take away the best of what happens.

990
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not the type of person to

991
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: dwell on the things that happened to us, because, by

992
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: the way, I'm still such a lucky person. I'm so

993
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: fortunate in so many ways and in the most meaningful ways.

994
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna I have to keep my head

995
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: up and i have to just continue to press forward.

996
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know what happens Kate throughout this season.

997
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: Have you perhaps talked to her or slid into those

998
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: dms since your return home? Yes, I have messaged, But

999
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: what I'll say is this, I was expecting to go

1000
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: out to LA for a commercial shoot. I make commercials

1001
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: idea advertising and I had hoped, you know, that would

1002
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: be maybe a chance where I could say hi and everything.

1003
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: I ended up having surgery like two days before that.

1004
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: And the reality for me is that man, you know,

1005
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: trying to start a long distance relationship when you're already

1006
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: long distance, it's really really difficult. It's not something that

1007
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to jump into. Paradise offers an opportunity to

1008
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: get to know people in this really condensed way where

1009
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: you were conversating for hours and you can really get

1010
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: to know people much quicker, and you know, those relationships

1011
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: really do. I mean, begga year perfect example. You know,

1012
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: this's like you when you spend hours and hours and

1013
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: days with someone, especially under stressful situation, it's like, yo,

1014
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: you're my partner, Like we you forge a deeper bond. So, um,

1015
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm a realist and I'm gonna try

1016
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: to keep it local to be honest, and I don't.

1017
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't need to. I'm not

1018
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: you know. Um God bless all the Bachelor success stories,

1019
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not one of those people who's like I

1020
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: need to date within this world. It's like I just

1021
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: need to find someone who who shares the same values

1022
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: and has the same priorities. Right, I love you. I

1023
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: feel like you have any unfinished business from Paradise at all.

1024
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think it wouldn't be bad

1025
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: if Wells had a day shift, like like a day

1026
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: shift guy. You know, I could go and mix the

1027
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: drinks in the day, he could mix them at night,

1028
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: or even just like, you know, maybe he just needs

1029
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: a tag team guy, because like there's a lot of

1030
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: people who need a lot of drinks, and I feel

1031
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: like I could parse out some wisdom and provide some

1032
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: calm and terry and you know, also enjoy alcohol and AC.

1033
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't know if people

1034
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: want Casey without AC, but definitely if they need my commentary,

1035
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm happy to provide. I would love more of that

1036
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: commentary in the season's to come. It was my absolute favorite. Okay, Casey,

1037
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: this is going to be the most serious question I

1038
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: ask you this entire podcast episode. So take a moment

1039
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: to take a deep breath. I need to know do

1040
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: you always drink your glasses with two hands? All right?

1041
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: So I shared by the fact that you love that.

1042
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: That was one hundred percent me playing like a little

1043
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: joke because I was like, you know, I was like gossiping.

1044
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I was also, yeah, I was doing

1045
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: like the kermit thing. Uh No, I don't. I don't

1046
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: usually too. I know it's I know, I don't know anything.

1047
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: I should take a setback. I'm very goofy Um, I'm

1048
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: very goofy. I'm always like joking around. I'm always trying

1049
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: to make people laugh. And that was just an example

1050
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: of one of my silly moments. Oh my gosh, I

1051
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: loved it. That was my I think when we did

1052
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: our rose on thorn that week, that was my rose

1053
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: because I found it so I was watching it. Remember

1054
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: that I was watching it back with Thomas and he

1055
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: legit had to rewind it to be like, can we

1056
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: watch Casey drink Sibiss drink again. I think it was

1057
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: so good. Um, okay, Casey, it has been such a

1058
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on. Before we let you go, we

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: have all of our guests on only share a rose

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: and a thorn, but we always start with a resource

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: because we love to keep our listeners informed and share

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: important resources that we love. We also always put them

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00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: on our highlights too, so people can go back and

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00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: check them out. Very easily, So I'll start just to

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00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: make it easy. I feel like that's the way we'd

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00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: do it. If that's okay, Michelle, unless you want to

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00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: start take it away, okay. So my resource of the week,

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00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I always have two, but one I

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00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. One is just I'm hoping to check

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: out this movie and the next week or two. But

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00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: it's called Tail. It came out a couple of days ago.

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: It's basically a true story based on Emmett Till's mother

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00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: and her pursuit of justice after her son was brutally lynched,

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: I think in nineteen fifty five, but that just came

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00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: out a couple days ago. So I again have not

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00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: seen it, but I'm hoping too in the next week.

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: But there's a podcast episode that I wanted to share

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00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: with everyone. It's from Code Switch and the episode is

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: from August, so a little over a month ago, and

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00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: the title of that one is called what does it

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: Mean to Inherent Whiteness? And it basically goes into they

1082
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: have an author on this podcast that they interview and

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: it basically goes into his background growing up as a

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00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: white person in I believe it was South Carolina, and

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00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: just how being a white man, especially in that state, Well,

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this entire country is a privilege,

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00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: but people also sort of use it as like a

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00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: shield to not see race. Um it's like twenty five minutes.

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00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: It's a great listen. He like I said, he's an author.

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: He has a book too, But that's a good podcast

1091
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: to start out. Again, it's on my highlights real so

1092
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: it's very easy to click the link and listen to

1093
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: when you're driving in the car, going grocery shopping or whatever.

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00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: So those are my resources, Michelle, if you want to

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00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: go next. That's so funny that you bring up Code Switch,

1096
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: Specca is because that's the one where like that. I

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00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: was about to suggest not that episode, but honestly, anybody

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00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: who's listening just that that podcast in general, Code Switch

1099
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: is just so interesting. It has such like a vast

1100
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: array of different topics that, um can that a lot

1101
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: of people you know should be able to listen relate

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: any episode, any episode really, but the episode specifically called

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: Respect Yourself, it really dives deep in how different behaviors

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: are policed. And that's all I'm going to leave it as,

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: just because I don't want to give too much away

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00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: with that one, but on iTunes, I believe you can

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00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: listen to it. I do also think that there's some

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00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: like YouTube clips up as well. But like BOOKA said,

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00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: Code Switch is a phenomenal podcast, pop culture, sports, just

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: social norms things like that. Yeah, it's it's a good

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 1: go too. Yeah, thank you, Michelle. All right, Casey, yeah,

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00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: the hour you are up. I think that the book

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: that I chose to bring is called Black Fatigue, and

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00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: I think it's a really great book for people who

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: you want to sort of enter into this world and

1116
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: enter into this conversation where they're not going to immediately

1117
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: have sort of a knee jerk reaction. I came from

1118
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: a very like upper middle class, you know, very privileged situation.

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: And what I know and what I otis is when

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: you put forward a book like if you even say

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01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: like White Fragility or something like that, there is an

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01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: instant sort of knee jerk reaction whatever people people are

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: how they are, and they almost like take it personally

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01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: even before they know what terms mean. What I really

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Speaker 1: like about Black Fatigue is that it leans into empathy

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: and compassion and telling people's stories both on anecdotal anecdotal level,

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01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: but also at a higher level about iniquities from health

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: iniquities to you know, economic iniquities, to the justice system.

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01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: And so I think that when you read a book

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01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: like this or a story like this, it's impossible to

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: not feel compassionate, it's impossible to not feel empathy, and

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01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: it sort of is a good entryway into some of

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: the more challenging conversations. So I think, you know, one

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: of the things that we can all do best as

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: humans can kind of like listen to each other more.

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a great entryway for people

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01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: who are maybe looking to open family and friends' minds

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: to other points of view. Yeah, that's awesome, Thank you

1139
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: so much, Casey. It's a good reminder that changes uncomfortable people.

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: But as long as we're having these conversations too, like

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01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: this is the place to start. So I'm glad that.

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that like, not only Michelle and I

1143
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: are able to share our resources, but to have people

1144
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: like you on Casey that can share more too, that's incredible.

1145
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: So no switching gears a little bit. It is time

1146
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: that you share your rose and thorn. And so we're

1147
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna let you do it of your entire experience on Paradise,

1148
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: So not just like into one episode, but overall, your rose,

1149
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: your favorite highlight, and then your thorn, which is the worst,

1150
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: messiest moment. So my rose would definitely go to just

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: all the wonderful people that you meet. I think, by

1152
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: and large, you know, the show does a great job

1153
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: at finding sincere wonderful people, and you also get to

1154
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: meet people from all over the country with all different

1155
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: backgrounds and stories, and so I did develop these great friendships,

1156
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: have these wonderful conversations, you know, buy and large, the

1157
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: vast majority of people are there are great, and even

1158
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: the people behind the scenes, you know, producers and everyone

1159
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: you you know, as as the old guy. Sometimes I

1160
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: found myself having more conversations with the old people behind

1161
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: the camera. But anyway, all in all, my rose definitely

1162
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: goes to the people that you meet. And you know, again,

1163
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: like we were just talking about having conversations that open

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: you up to other points of view, other worldview, or

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: even just people that you wouldn't necessarily hang out with,

1166
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, let's let's go for the ride.

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: It's it's an adventure. It was definitely an adventure, and

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: I I'm appreciative for having that experience and getting to

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: meet these people. Yeah. Great, and now the bad part.

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: You're thorn. You know. I know it's going to shock

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01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but I would say my thorn

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01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: is that I cannot walk. Yes, are, and my foot

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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: fetish business has just collapsed a thousand percent man has

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01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: gone down. Yeah, just completely dried up my bank account.

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: He sometimes people like casts. You never know there is

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: a market for everything. This is the problem. This is

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01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: the problem when I make a joke is that it

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: gets too real too fast. I appreciate it. Casey, thank

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: you so much for coming Unhappy Hour. You are somebody

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01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: that we have asked for to have on here for weeks.

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: We're so happy that you were finally able to join us.

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01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: We will miss you on our big screens from here

1183
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: on out. Your commentary gave us life. It got us

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01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: through these first couple episodes. So thank you. Well. Like

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01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: I said before, I couldn't be more appreciative all the

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01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: kind words. As you guys know, you know we're we're

1187
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: subject to a lot of commentary and criticism, and you know,

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01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you guys, and I appreciate the

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: opportunity to come here and share a little bit more

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01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: of my story and you know, don't be a stranger

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: and back aft. Appreciate your your honesty and Casey, you know,

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01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: I've always been, always been a fan. And it's it's

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: cool to see our viewers, Bachelor Nation, everybody watching kind

1194
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: of getting a little more of an inside glimpse um

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01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: this second time around to your humor, just because your

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: specialty is definitely throwing out those one liners in the

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: middle of these intense moments. I cannot tell y'all how

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01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: many times this man had me like I got yelled at.

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: Not I didn't get yelled at, okay, because no, you

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01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: don't really get yelled at necessarily as a lead, but

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: like just Polly and producers and things like that, because

1202
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: we'd be in a super serious moment, like serious faces,

1203
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, and in case you would throw out this

1204
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: one liner and I would just be rolling and it

1205
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: it's just, yeah, it's always always comes in good time.

1206
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's nice seeing your face, Casey and getting

1207
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I hope you're keeping your

1208
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: head up and not going to stir crazy with that

1209
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: foot over there. Yeah, thank you guys so much. He's

1210
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: so great. I know that that was a lot of

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: really good information. Holy shit. I just love how he

1212
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: gives it to us like real he you know, he

1213
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: talked about his experience, but like from his perspective, because

1214
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: every everyone comes through each season with such different memories

1215
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: and viewpoints, and um, I appreciated it. And you know

1216
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: again he excuse me laughing. So I'm glad we were

1217
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: finally able to have mister Casey on here me too,

1218
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: And it was so nice because he's you can tell

1219
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: he's such an observant person, not in a non judgmental way,

1220
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: Like he's not a person that is observing to like

1221
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: judge people and make criticism. He's just like kind of

1222
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: he accepts everybody right, but he sits back and he observes,

1223
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: so I feel observes. So I feel like he has

1224
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know, he's kind of like the fly

1225
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: on the wall a little bit in a weird way.

1226
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: You know. What I liked about having him on two

1227
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: is I mean every time we have Gusts on, we

1228
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: try to get the tea and get more of like

1229
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: the actual drama and intel of like what takes place

1230
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: on that beach because there's so much we don't know about.

1231
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: But I will say this, and I'm sure viewers had

1232
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: mixed reactions of the situation where he told Brittany what

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: Peter was saying. I think hearing his story and the

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: why behind it is even more important. So I'm glad

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01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: he was able to share that and just share that

1236
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: he was trying to back her up and support her

1237
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: and be more protective because of like what she's been through,

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01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: which I think is so important for everyone to hear,

1239
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: and like the why behind it makes it more meaningful,

1240
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 1: so I it absolutely does. But even without but even

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: without Brittany's story, anytime a man is slandering a woman,

1242
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: not for it unacceptable period. Yeah, I'm glad he was

1243
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: able to tell us certain things that we're said, because

1244
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: that is not okay whatsoever. So thank you Casey for

1245
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: being on here, and a huge thank you to all

1246
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget everybody that

1247
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,800
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1248
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: every Monday and Tuesday on both ABC or Hulu, and

1249
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,160
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Speaker 1: and we will see everyone next week. Cheers