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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton. Okay, we bring in now friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: Dan Wetzel at Yahoo Sports, who has done a really

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Speaker 2: great job over the years of covering court related legal

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Speaker 2: proceedings that involve sports. You may have seen Dan in

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Speaker 2: an excellent Netflix documentary that dealt with the Aaron Hernandez

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Speaker 2: murder trials. And Dan, you wrote a story yesterday. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming on this show. You wrote a story yesterday

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Speaker 2: that I read in the afternoon and immediately wanted to

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Speaker 2: share with everyone, And I'm just gonna give a little

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Speaker 2: kind of lagh out for everybody who may not be

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Speaker 2: familiar with this case. There's a great punter who punted

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Speaker 2: at San Diego State. They called him the punt God.

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Speaker 2: His name Matt Areza. He was drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: He was considered to be an elite kicking talent. Story

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Speaker 2: comes out during what would have been his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: I believe before the season even began, that a girl

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Speaker 2: had accused him of gang rape, really violent conduct. The

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Speaker 2: Bills saw this story. It was a civil lawsuit. There

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Speaker 2: was an investigation that had been ongoing. Criminally, Bill saw

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Speaker 2: this story, cut him from the team, said he could

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Speaker 2: not be a member of the team. And now as

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Speaker 2: we come up on nine some odd months after that,

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Speaker 2: you have written about the investigation and basically all of

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Speaker 2: the claims that the girl made are one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: untrue based on what the San Diego Police Department discovered.

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Speaker 2: I want you to lay out if I roughly synopsize

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Speaker 2: that correctly, and where are we How did you come

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Speaker 2: to see this story, and what do you think it

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Speaker 2: says in a larger context about the lack of coverage

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Speaker 2: that the vindication is getting compared to the accusation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so thanks for having me on the cases. This so,

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Speaker 3: a civil lawsuit comes out. The police in San Diego

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Speaker 3: had spent ten month investigating the criminal charges. Was there

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Speaker 3: a gang rate? This is a seventeen year old girl

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Speaker 3: then reported she had been raped by multiple people, and

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Speaker 3: and then the civil suit comes out and includes just,

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Speaker 3: you know, ghastly allegations, including him throwing her down on

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Speaker 3: their own investigation into this one hundred and twenty four

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Speaker 3: It doesn't totally exonerate someone. And if you're an NFL team,

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Speaker 3: Now there's additional did have an encounter with her that evening?

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Speaker 3: He says it was consensual, she does not. There's a

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Speaker 3: if you read this this transcript, and this is now

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Speaker 3: would certainly look at this case in a very different

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Speaker 3: light because there's a tremendous amount of exculpatory evidence, uh

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Speaker 1: Look, I appreciate you joining us, Dan, It's buck. I

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Speaker 1: just want to know the NFL side of this and

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Speaker 1: the team that released him, what was their process. Just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Bills had said they were aware that

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Speaker 3: something had gone on. They have these teams have private investigators.

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Speaker 3: They investigate uh, you know, virtually every every player and

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Speaker 3: out is what the Bills just said. Look, we can't

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Speaker 3: We're just not going to deal with this. Matt needs

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Speaker 3: to handle this on its own. This is a punter. Again,

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Speaker 3: But as good of a punter as he is, you

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Speaker 3: I don't know. My guess is they have the right

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'd encourage you to go read Dan Wetzel's

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Speaker 2: story at Yahoo's Sports. It'll be up linked at clayanbuck

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Speaker 2: dan we twitter feed at Dan Wetzel.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, Dan, when you compare the amount

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Speaker 2: the amount of coverage that I would say, pretty clearly

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not spend a lot of time worrying about

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Speaker 1: You know, the accusation.

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Speaker 2: It might be saying let's say there was one hundred

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Speaker 2: there's been four, like, I mean, it's almost one hundred

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Speaker 3: It may be. It may be, but we're still covering

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Speaker 3: could you, why would you ever have a punter that

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Speaker 3: Right well, now, if you maybe know all the details,

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Speaker 2: He's Dan Wetzel at Dan Wetzel on Twitter. Go follow

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Speaker 2: in there. You can go read this article yourself.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks by thanks Bucky.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, Buck, and we come back. I

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Speaker 2: just want to ask this question of our listeners, and

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Speaker 2: I got some strong opinions, and I bet you do too, Buck.

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Speaker 2: What happens when someone makes up a story like this,

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Speaker 2: a vile story alleging that you were gang raping her,

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Speaker 2: that you ripped all of her piercings out. It cost

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Speaker 2: you a job, everyone judges you, drags you through the mud,

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Speaker 2: and then it turns out that you're one hundred percent innocent.

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Speaker 2: This girl's name is still protected under rape shield laws.

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Speaker 2: She bears almost no consequences. Can't it be the case?

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Speaker 2: Just want to ask this question, if you are proven

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Speaker 2: punishment yourself. Isn't that fair? Because otherwise what kind of

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Speaker 2: And look, this can be a well intentioned idea. For instance,

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Speaker 2: there is shame in being the victim of a rape,

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Speaker 2: and so you may not be willing to come forward.

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Speaker 2: So I understand the basis for the exis distance of

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Speaker 2: I would say for granddaughters or daughters as well, these

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Speaker 2: processes are kangaroo courts as they are associated you just

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Speaker 2: heard from that caller, as they're applied in college campuses.

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Speaker 2: We don't do a good job with these cases on

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Speaker 2: a national level and criminal cases. We certainly don't do

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Speaker 2: a good job with him in college. But what I

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Speaker 2: would just ask for everybody out there is this matter

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Speaker 2: raise a case now is emblematic of something that may

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Speaker 2: not happen very often, but if it happens at all,

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Speaker 2: I think it deserves to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: And that is what happens when you are.

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Speaker 2: Accused of rape, which, other than buck murderer or maybe

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Speaker 2: being accused of being a pedophile, is probably the worst

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Speaker 2: thing you can say about a guy, right he raped me,

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Speaker 2: other than pedophile or murder.

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Speaker 1: And can I just point out Clay as we're discussing this,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you off right now. I mean, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a trial that is going at civil trial

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump accusing him of sexual assault thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Clearly you know something is something is going on here

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Speaker 1: where I think this is increasingly in the post Cavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: in the Kavanaugh going forward, this is now used as

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Speaker 1: a political weapon where you accuse people of now in

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Speaker 1: the Biden case, Look, I'm a Republican, I don't like Biden.

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Speaker 1: I have never heard an explanation of the situation that

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Speaker 1: would just dismiss this woman's allegation against Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 1: somehow she's just also disappeared from the conversation. But with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they have all they remember they were talking

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Speaker 1: about like thirty women came out or something, and then

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Speaker 1: you talked about it. It's like, well, what did he

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Speaker 1: do when we're at a party and he grabbed me

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Speaker 1: and kissed me? And it's like, well, did you want

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Speaker 1: him to and did you fight? And did you know,

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Speaker 1: was that it was just kissing. I mean, you actually

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Speaker 1: see all this stuff now being used as I mean

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Speaker 1: clearly with Kavanaugh, didn't he I mean, the allegation was

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Speaker 1: that he even tried to do something, and of course

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Speaker 1: that was a Kavanaugh was Duke Lacrosse case esque and

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Speaker 1: there was no basis for this whatsoever. Couldn't even prove

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Speaker 1: that this woman had ever met him, ever been in

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Speaker 1: the same place as him. And there were a lot

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Speaker 1: brought forward. Remember there were three different women they did

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Speaker 1: bring forward, all lying one of them though or not

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Speaker 1: introduce because claim nobody was going to believe them.

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Speaker 2: And I think it goes to shouldn't there be laws

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Speaker 2: why should the woman and by the way, it could

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Speaker 2: a man because it could be a same sex rape

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Speaker 2: accusation that's not true. But why should the accuser not

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Speaker 2: Just for everybody out there thinking, why should you be

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Speaker 2: why should there be no criminal consequences for you?

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Speaker 1: Like this? Can I point out that the face something

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Speaker 1: I brought up the Duke Lacrosse accuser because she should

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Speaker 1: have been charged with perjury? That that is there she

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Speaker 1: swore under oath that these men you know there are

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Speaker 1: perjury charges, they just never charged them. Yeah, if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about it, even an escalation of for something even

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Speaker 2: It's also tough to prove perjury because under oath what

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Speaker 2: exactly that's a technicality. But for people there who have

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Speaker 2: what someone knew can be challenging. But again, when it's

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent clear that what you alleged did not happen,

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Speaker 2: why should there be no consequences? And again you point

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit, they got money civil damages. That's fine, but

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Speaker 2: you just used I think a great example there that

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Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz case. I'm pretty plugged in on stories. I

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Speaker 2: somehow missed that he had been one hundred percent vindicated.

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Speaker 2: I saw his denial, but I didn't know that she

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Speaker 2: How does it for him for getting out there and

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Gosh Ryan Gerdusky last week Roma Deavi

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Speaker 1: has no chance of winning. I'm just I'm just reporting

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Speaker 1: I talked to Roma, who was working in the Trump

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Speaker 1: White House. She says Trump's the only one who can win,

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Speaker 1: and she has complete confidence. And you know the data

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Speaker 1: this week, I mean the pole. So I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: we're putting all kinds of you right now. Where are

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Speaker 1: you on those two arguments. I'm I'm the it all.

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Speaker 1: It all matters what happens between I think that here's

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Speaker 1: what I would say, being set in what is best

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Speaker 1: than what's going to happen politically now ignores what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in the world between now and when we decide. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we've already said we'll crawl over broken glass to

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Speaker 1: make sure Trump beats Joe Biden, But we also have

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Speaker 1: to take into account. You know, your you think Biden

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying there's there are a number of

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Speaker 1: I think a Trump campaign that is focused and a

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Speaker 1: beat Joe Biden. Now is it Joe Biden and what

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Speaker 1: the economy look like in a year and everything else.

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Speaker 1: But so that's why it's a snapshot in time, and

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Speaker 1: they evolve as to how you know this border thing, Clay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this could be a real nightmare for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and it could be the primary mode of attack, I think,

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Speaker 2: If Biden is the nominee, and people who listen to

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Speaker 2: of the opinion that the relief pitcher may be in

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Speaker 2: the bullpen for Biden, and that this is the time

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Speaker 2: when they would yank him out of the proverbial game,

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Speaker 2: not allow him.

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Speaker 1: To run again.

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Speaker 2: If Biden, however, is the nominee. If I'm wrong and

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Speaker 2: they ride Biden all the way twenty twenty four, I

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Speaker 2: come back to I think he's going to be so

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Speaker 2: much worse buck by November of twenty twenty four. And

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Speaker 2: I understand the Feedterman argument of his health doesn't ultimately matter,

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Speaker 2: but I think the difference with Fetterman a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: One fifty percent of the vote for Fetterman was already

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Speaker 2: And then the second part of this is I think

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Speaker 1: Biden is only decline in. Biden is going to be hidened,

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Speaker 1: Like we all know what's happening here, No way that

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Speaker 1: everyone knows that. There's another consideration I think as well

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Speaker 1: for Fetterman that doesn't apply to Biden. A senator doesn't

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Speaker 1: really lead. I'm not you know, I'm just gonna say this, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got some great Republican centers who listen.

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Speaker 1: But a senator's job can be done by just voting

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Speaker 1: the way the constituents want effectively. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's or the party wants. The constituents might not

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Speaker 1: Right, So you can make an argument that as long

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Speaker 1: top of their head who doesn't live in South Dakota

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Speaker 1: you know, you start to go down this and you

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Speaker 1: see that it's a but the president's different, right. The

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Speaker 1: of a sudden the Russians. You know, what does Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden do if the Russians attack into into Poland and

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Speaker 1: just theoretically, does anyone want Joe Biden to be answering

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Speaker 1: that phone call? That matters when you're president.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing Hillary got right, right, that three am

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Speaker 2: phone call that she talked about. The president is the

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Speaker 2: ultimate decider, and I think most people have made the decision.

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Speaker 2: According to that Washington Post poll, over sixty percent of

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Speaker 2: people don't think that Joe Biden has the mental or

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Speaker 2: physical fitness to be president. If I'm the Democrat Party

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at those numbers, you can argue for Federman, Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's going to get better. And to your point, you

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Speaker 2: can argue he's just one of fifty one or whatever.

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Speaker 2: He's not really a unitary executive. We're not getting better.

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Speaker 1: And I left this out of the whole Biden equation

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Speaker 1: for where we're heading here politically and as a nation.

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Speaker 1: I now think, remember our friend Julie Kelly said, one

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Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent. I think that they're going to

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Speaker 1: bring a serious federal charge incitementto insurrection against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think the Special Counsel is going to do it,

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Speaker 1: which which just means I don't know what that means

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Speaker 1: other than, oh my god, the world's going to get crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: Though I wanted to get we won't get to her

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Speaker 2: right now, but Jennifer and Fort Bragg called in North

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Speaker 2: Carolina and she had a really good point. She said,

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Speaker 2: we're right about this story and the way we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about it with Matta Raisa. She also said, lying

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Speaker 2: women hurt real victims.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a

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Speaker 2: Very important point, because when you don't trust somebody they lied,

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Speaker 2: you don't trust somebody sometimes when they're honest,