Speaker 1: Nine.
Speaker 2: What In fact, Carol Markets show on iHeartRadio. Wishbone Kitchen
Speaker 2: is an Instagram account I enjoy. She's a young private
Speaker 2: chef and she posts about her morning diet, coke habit
Speaker 2: and the amazing stuff that she cooks for her fairly
Speaker 2: well off clients. She has a cookbook coming out too.
Speaker 3: I plant buy it.
Speaker 2: She's interesting.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: But she had this to say recently on the Better
Speaker 2: Home and Gardens page, and I want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about it.
Speaker 2: Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 3: That's the beef I have with like child wife content.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: I feel like homemaking for me personally is just like
Speaker 1: within me, Like I feel this urge to nest at
Speaker 1: all times, and I'm, you know, not preparing.
Speaker 3: For a baby.
Speaker 1: I'm not nesting for a man. I'm not nesting for
Speaker 1: a family. I'm doing it for myself.
Speaker 3: And so it's so interesting that it's always through the lens.
Speaker 1: Of I'm doing this for my husband, and like that
Speaker 1: makes me feelicky because I'm like, well, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're not doing it for yourself, you shouldn't just do
Speaker 1: it for your husband.
Speaker 3: Like that's not right.
Speaker 1: So I like to approach hosting homemaking, home cooking with
Speaker 1: a lens of like, I'm doing this because I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It makes me happy, and this is how I like
Speaker 1: to spend my time and period out of discussion.
Speaker 2: I know it shouldn't bother me, but this whole, the
Speaker 2: way I do it is the right way. Thing is annoying,
Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about something like keeping house, something
Speaker 2: our grandmothers and great grandmothers and so on did as
Speaker 2: a matter of course, they didn't give it a name
Speaker 2: or make it part of their personality. It makes everyone
Speaker 2: imagine a much more difficult life than most people have.
Speaker 2: Once you make a thing out of something, it's hard
Speaker 2: to make it go back to just being a part
Speaker 2: of life.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: I really like this woman's work, but this whole I
Speaker 2: don't try to wife like you guys do it for
Speaker 2: your husband and kids. I do it for myself. It
Speaker 2: rubs me the wrong way. You can cook for yourself,
Speaker 2: You can cook for friends, as she often does, and
Speaker 2: sure it's okay to cook for your husband and kids.
Speaker 2: And I get that. Part of speaking in public is
Speaker 2: the ability to do so with some degree of authority.
Speaker 2: And of course, all of us, including myself, who give
Speaker 2: public comment have to be saying some version of my
Speaker 2: way is best. But I resent this constant drumbeat of
Speaker 2: anti marriage and family rhetoric.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think.
Speaker 2: This is a part of I think about myself hearing
Speaker 2: this kind of thing in my twenties and definitely believing
Speaker 2: that marriage and children would be drudgery. And I was wrong.
Speaker 2: And the truth is I learned to cook after I
Speaker 2: started dating my husband, and it's still something I enjoy
Speaker 2: doing so much. Could I have done it before him?
Speaker 2: Of course, maybe I should have done it for myself.
Speaker 2: And it's fine that she is, but it's very enjoyable
Speaker 2: to do it for your family. The woman at this account,
Speaker 2: she's quite young, and I would bet she will love
Speaker 2: cooking for a family, and I hope she gets the
Speaker 2: opportunity to do that and show her followers how that's done.
Speaker 2: And it won't always be eating caviar on potato chips
Speaker 2: as she's doing in this clip, and it won't always
Speaker 2: be instagrammable or have a nice esthetic, but it will
Speaker 2: still be fulfilling and can still make you happy. Thanks
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Speaker 2: three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show
Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Matt Whitlock. Matt is
Speaker 2: a Republican strategist and host of the Ten Minute Drill podcast.
Speaker 3: So nice to have you on Matt.
Speaker 4: It is such an honor. I have told you this,
Speaker 4: but I've been a fan of yours for a very
Speaker 4: very long time, everything from what you wrote about COVID
Speaker 4: to what you're writing about parenting now. This is so great.
Speaker 4: So thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. The feeling is very mutual.
Speaker 2: I always found you to be very, very smart and
Speaker 2: interesting on the old Twitter.
Speaker 4: Plans, very kind. We call X.
Speaker 3: Now, how did you get into this world? How did
Speaker 3: you become a Republican strategist?
Speaker 4: It's so funny you asked that. So I actually had
Speaker 4: intended always on going to law school. I just felt
Speaker 4: like my dad's a lawyer. I thought, you know, that's
Speaker 4: the lane for me. I love to argue with people.
Speaker 4: But actually I was a missionary in Japan in my
Speaker 4: college years, and I found that arguing with people didn't
Speaker 4: appeal to me as much. And I don't know if
Speaker 4: that's what turned me or I just enjoyed communications. But
Speaker 4: I found that I loved talking to people and figuring
Speaker 4: out how to explain complex concepts. In that case, it
Speaker 4: was like about religion to people who had a very
Speaker 4: different religious background. But I think that sort of started
Speaker 4: me thinking about it, and then I got home. I
Speaker 4: actually moved out to Washington with the intention of starting
Speaker 4: law school, but while I was doing my applications, I
Speaker 4: had a friend in Senator Mike Lee's office and they
Speaker 4: needed a driver for the senator for just the summer months,
Speaker 4: and I thought, I'm fresh out of college, that would
Speaker 4: be a really fun experience to just drive a senator
Speaker 4: around see how the process works. And I ended up
Speaker 4: having a blast. He was such a great boss. I
Speaker 4: had so much fun with him. But I also got
Speaker 4: to play a role in the writing, and after a
Speaker 4: little bit of time, I realized speech writing was a
Speaker 4: lot of fun. So I started writing his speeches and
Speaker 4: he let me move into doing that full time, which
Speaker 4: was a blast, and that led me into a very
Speaker 4: different path than I had intended, but one that was
Speaker 4: really enjoyable. You know, It's one of those things you
Speaker 4: just never know where life's going to take you. And now, gosh,
Speaker 4: thirteen years later, I've been doing you know, speech writing.
Speaker 4: And then I was a press secretary. I worked in
Speaker 4: corporate communications, and now I get to do kind of
Speaker 4: a general grad bag of everything, which is so much fun.
Speaker 4: But I did not intend that when I first moved
Speaker 4: to Washington back in twenty twelve, was it like.
Speaker 2: You realized you could argue without the law degree and
Speaker 2: took off.
Speaker 4: And I think that, like, there's more fun outside of
Speaker 4: the parameters of law when you get into that. You know,
Speaker 4: for one, there's so much reading inment, but also I
Speaker 4: just really enjoyed the creative side of debating and trying
Speaker 4: to win people over to your side using sort of new, creative,
Speaker 4: different storytelling measures, things like that. It was just so
Speaker 4: much more fun outside of that realm. And it's funny.
Speaker 4: The person who talked me out of going to law
Speaker 4: school the most was Senator Lee, who's literally a constitutional
Speaker 4: scholar and the United States Senator. But he said, you know,
Speaker 4: if you don't want to practice law, you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: And you're a creative, so you should do something that
Speaker 4: allows you to sort of stretch your legs a little
Speaker 4: bit more. And I think that really helped me decide,
Speaker 4: you know, this was a better path to try and
Speaker 4: chase what was Living in Japan life amazing. Honestly, Japan
Speaker 4: is incredible. I feel like everyone if you have an
Speaker 4: opportunity to go spend a week in one place in
Speaker 4: the world. Go check out Japan and spend a day
Speaker 4: or two in Tokyo or Kyoto or the high tourist places,
Speaker 4: but also spend some time in the rural country. I
Speaker 4: was up in Sendai way up north, which is very
Speaker 4: rural but so beautiful, the best people in the world.
Speaker 4: I actually served in a place that later had the
Speaker 4: massive tsunamis in twenty eleven, and it was crazy to
Speaker 4: see that happen in places that I knew, but also
Speaker 4: how quickly they rebuilt and how fast they kind of
Speaker 4: jumped into action. And that's what I really came to
Speaker 4: love so much about the Japanese people, is that they're
Speaker 4: so resilient and focused. I really loved my time there.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
Speaker 3: How long were you there?
Speaker 4: Two years as every two years, which if you're learning
Speaker 4: a language like Japanese, is like you want all that time.
Speaker 4: And we spent three months at a training facility where
Speaker 4: they work on things like both you know, how to
Speaker 4: become a missionary, but also how to learn the language.
Speaker 4: But three months is not close to getting you ready
Speaker 4: to speak Japanese. But once you're there and you're surrounded
Speaker 4: by people, it's you know, speak or don't talk to
Speaker 4: anybody and don't figure out, you know, how to feed yourself.
Speaker 4: So being there was incredibly helpful to learning the language,
Speaker 4: learning to love the culture, the food, everything. It just
Speaker 4: is the best. I had such a great time.
Speaker 3: What would have been Plan B if you didn't go
Speaker 3: into politics or law?
Speaker 4: That's such a good question. I think about that sometimes.
Speaker 4: I I mean, everyone always like falls back on things
Speaker 4: like sports because that's what their dream was when they
Speaker 4: were a kid. I played high school baseball and I
Speaker 4: loved it.
Speaker 3: We dream big here anything you.
Speaker 4: Know, Well, it's funny like as if as if like
Speaker 4: professional baseball had really been a possibility. But the thing
Speaker 4: that turned me off to it the most was when
Speaker 4: I got to college and all my friends who were
Speaker 4: on the team had to like wake up at five
Speaker 4: am every day, And like, I was having way too
Speaker 4: much fun in college to like wake up at five
Speaker 4: am for baseball practice. So like, had they wanted this.
Speaker 3: MLB career, guys went way too early.
Speaker 4: I don't want that anyways, even if it wasn't you know,
Speaker 4: even if it was going to work out, not for me, no,
Speaker 4: But so I don't know, I loved sports. I love
Speaker 4: I actually was an English major. I really loved reading
Speaker 4: and writing and composition. So I could see myself maybe
Speaker 4: wanting to teach just because I love delving into literature
Speaker 4: and things like that. I kind of nerd out over
Speaker 4: like the American classes, so I could see that being
Speaker 4: an angle that would be interesting. I had really amazing
Speaker 4: teachers in high school, particularly in English and lit that
Speaker 4: made me passionate about this stuff, and so I think
Speaker 4: that's an area that I would have maybe spent some
Speaker 4: time in. But it's really hard to imagine, like say
Speaker 4: what I do now and then thinking of me like
Speaker 4: in a classroom and like you know, telling kids about
Speaker 4: you know, Dickens and Steinbecken. You know, it's just such
Speaker 4: a different world. But it is the other thing that
Speaker 4: I think I'm probably most passionate about outside of politics.
Speaker 2: What do you think people misunderstand about the political world
Speaker 2: and how things actually work on the inside.
Speaker 4: I love that question because I think in the last
Speaker 4: like ten to fifteen years, we've had a devolution of
Speaker 4: everyone thinking politics is the West Wing, then thinking it
Speaker 4: was House of cards, and landing on the resolution that
Speaker 4: really is veep and weep is so much closer to
Speaker 4: the actual experience. I moved to DC in part, you know,
Speaker 4: with this dream because I had watched The West Wing
Speaker 4: and I really loved it, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: I could make world what I have to tell you, like,
Speaker 4: I had experiences in the Senate, both for Senator Lee
Speaker 4: but also in my time with Senator Hatch that did
Speaker 4: feel like the West Wing, like we were doing huge things,
Speaker 4: seeing really important things happen, and I loved that. But
Speaker 4: so much more of the day to day of working
Speaker 4: in politics really is deep. I think of the scenes
Speaker 4: of the aid whispering in her ear who everybody is
Speaker 4: and what to say and not say. I spent so
Speaker 4: much time doing that, and a photo line trying to
Speaker 4: tell the Senator, you know, don't say this to this person,
Speaker 4: or watch out for this issue with that person, and that,
Speaker 4: you know, the comedic moments really are so much more
Speaker 4: what your day to day life is about than the glamorous,
Speaker 4: you know, heroic moments with triumphant music playing from the
Speaker 4: West Wing.
Speaker 2: As I get older, though, I like wish I had
Speaker 2: somebody whispering in my ear, like who everybody is?
Speaker 3: I like who I shouldn't say? Certain things too that
Speaker 3: would be very convenient.
Speaker 4: Actually all the time.
Speaker 2: This is a professor, like a profession that I don't
Speaker 2: think exists, but like for regular people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly I think that, especially now I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: not as old as I feel, but I still am,
Speaker 4: like forgetting names of people that I should know, because
Speaker 4: you have little kids and you don't get enough sleep,
Speaker 4: and you start forgetting really easy things. Have you just
Speaker 4: like someone on your shoulder, like, hey, don't say that
Speaker 4: to this person. It would be awesome. I do think
Speaker 4: that all the.
Speaker 2: Time, and you meet people all the time. I like,
Speaker 2: you know, when I moved to Florida and I met
Speaker 2: like a whole new world world of people. One time
Speaker 2: I forgot somebody's name and her husband actually said to
Speaker 2: me something really kind, and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: you moved here, you met like a thousand new people,
Speaker 2: Like we only met like one person you like it,
Speaker 2: you know, So it was like, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: really fair and some kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad that they get you some grace on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I always give grace when people absolutely my name.
Speaker 3: And that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should, they should.
Speaker 2: But billion dollar profession you send people out to just
Speaker 2: walk alongside and you know I would pay something for that.
Speaker 3: Yes, So how did you start? What made you start
Speaker 3: the Ten Minute Drill podcast?
Speaker 4: So in this last election, I had so many conversations,
Speaker 4: particularly with people outside of Washington, asking just like, what's
Speaker 4: going on? What is this story? Particularly family members who
Speaker 4: would see things in media and say that sounds crazy,
Speaker 4: and I would, in a two minute conversation explain the
Speaker 4: context and they'd say, oh, that makes so much sense.
Speaker 4: And so my thought was, it would be great if
Speaker 4: we had just one more channel to cut through the
Speaker 4: noise and help people sort of really be able to
Speaker 4: parse what is overblown, because one thing about the Trump
Speaker 4: years is you do have a lot of media really
Speaker 4: eager to jump in and report things, sometimes without getting
Speaker 4: all the facts. And I think that one thing that
Speaker 4: is helpful for people to know is what's normal versus
Speaker 4: what's not. And also sometimes like what happens all the
Speaker 4: time that is being treated as some crazy incident. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's a part of what really made me want
Speaker 4: to do this. Like I had a family member ask,
Speaker 4: you know, they had heard a story that President Trump's
Speaker 4: still had kids in cages four years after he was
Speaker 4: in the White House, and like I explained, you know,
Speaker 4: that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I can
Speaker 4: see where the sort of media would want to lead
Speaker 4: you that way. And so that was a lago or
Speaker 4: exactly like what you know, give us exactly. So there
Speaker 4: are just so many absurd things. But I also feel
Speaker 4: like the media has the capability to really warp minds.
Speaker 4: And it's so interesting how the conversation in the last
Speaker 4: ten years has been you know, more concerned about like
Speaker 4: conservative family members being warped. But the number of I'm
Speaker 4: from the San Francisco Bay area, the number of friends
Speaker 4: of mine who have just totally warped views of the
Speaker 4: reality of politics because of what media has really dug
Speaker 4: into these last few years. It's been pretty shocking. I
Speaker 4: have really smart, reasonable friends who have been sort of
Speaker 4: led into conspiracy theories on things that I am like, wait,
Speaker 4: a sect that's insane and totally not true. And so
Speaker 4: being able to just spend a few minutes you can't
Speaker 4: you know, whack every mole, but being able to say
Speaker 4: here's a real thing and here's a fake thing in
Speaker 4: ten minutes or less. That's that's my goal with it
Speaker 4: is just to make a sort of quick rundown of
Speaker 4: what's going on and why something you might have heard
Speaker 4: about is real or not.
Speaker 3: How do you choose which story to focus on?
Speaker 4: I have to tell you so much of it has
Speaker 4: to do with like the things that I am getting
Speaker 4: to engage with on a daily basis. I get to
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time with, you know, staffers on
Speaker 4: Capitol Hill, with members with friends working in the administration
Speaker 4: who are trying to navigate this media landscape and running
Speaker 4: into these land mines of things getting misreported misrepresented. So
Speaker 4: that's a big part of it, is working with my
Speaker 4: own network about what's going on and what needs to
Speaker 4: be explained a little bit better. But a lot of it,
Speaker 4: too is just the things that I follow in track
Speaker 4: and media and see, Okay, this is getting a lot
Speaker 4: of attention, but this angle to it. For example, you know,
Speaker 4: when we talk about protests at town halls, one thing
Speaker 4: that hasn't gotten enough attention across media is the organization
Speaker 4: behind that and the dark money that's funding so much
Speaker 4: of this. So like if we can shine a light
Speaker 4: on that and sort of show the reds and you know,
Speaker 4: follow the money, things like that, those are things that, like,
Speaker 4: I see so much in my feed that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I could spend a few minutes talking about We're going
Speaker 4: to take.
Speaker 3: A quick break and be right back on the Carol
Speaker 3: Marcowitch Show. What do you worry about?
Speaker 4: I do worry And this is going to sound ironic
Speaker 4: from a like partisan political operative, but I do worry
Speaker 4: about division because I grew up in the era of
Speaker 4: you know, particularly after nine to eleven. For example, I
Speaker 4: remember I didn't have a lot of Republican friends growing up.
Speaker 4: President Bush was not popular, you know, among my friends
Speaker 4: in high school, things like that. But after nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: seeing people rally around the flag and feel really positive
Speaker 4: about our country and the need to stand up for ourselves.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting that when you look at events in
Speaker 4: the last ten to fifteen years, we don't seem to
Speaker 4: have that same unifying energy that sort of brings us
Speaker 4: all together. We used to sort of have a code
Speaker 4: that things division could only go so far. And I
Speaker 4: just worry that, particularly, you know, from the old Ama
Speaker 4: year's when we spent a lot of time. And I'm
Speaker 4: trying not to dive too far into politics because I
Speaker 4: think one thing that's really fun and fresh about your
Speaker 4: show is it's not hyperpartisan, but it felt like politics
Speaker 4: shifted from we disagree about ideas too. If you disagree
Speaker 4: with me, you're trying to shove Granny off a cliff.
Speaker 4: And I don't know that we've ever come back from that.
Speaker 4: And I do think for a long time we tried
Speaker 4: to sort of meander our way back to it. You know,
Speaker 4: A Mitt Romney presidential candidate represented this idea that we
Speaker 4: could go back to that where we were super respectful
Speaker 4: of each other. But I think that what happened to
Speaker 4: Mitt Romney was they still call them hitler and they
Speaker 4: talked about how terrible of a person he was, even
Speaker 4: though he was such a good guy, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so that radicalized so many people to the point
Speaker 4: where they're saying, Okay, we need a Donald Trump type person.
Speaker 4: And I think that there's reason for that, you know,
Speaker 4: and I think it makes a lot of sense. I
Speaker 4: just don't know how we ever go back to where
Speaker 4: and MSNBC segments at night are not calling us all
Speaker 4: murderers and getting half the country to think that we're
Speaker 4: so much more divided because if you look in the
Speaker 4: halls of Congress, Republicans and Democrats actually get along a
Speaker 4: lot better than you would find. Yeah, how do we
Speaker 4: spread that and actually show that people are not as
Speaker 4: sort of hateful towards each other as a lot of
Speaker 4: the political discourse seems to feel, right, I.
Speaker 2: Think when you're in the world, you get along far
Speaker 2: better people on the opposite side, No question, it's actually
Speaker 2: surprising to people that like activists on both sides.
Speaker 3: Would get along well, or list or politicians or any
Speaker 3: of that. But I also I think about, like, if
Speaker 3: the internet was what it is today.
Speaker 2: On nine to eleven, I think it would have been
Speaker 2: not quite the easy, exactly right.
Speaker 3: Post nine to eleven experience. I don't know that we
Speaker 3: would have rallied around the flag quite quite like.
Speaker 4: We did exactly right. Either. Social media and the media
Speaker 4: have incentivized so much outrage and division that like that,
Speaker 4: you know, that has so much to do with what's
Speaker 4: shifted and changed us in this sort of rapid dopamine
Speaker 4: hit that comes from dunking on somebody else whatever. I
Speaker 4: think that, like the nine to eleven reaction would have
Speaker 4: been completely different. The conspiracy theories that we've seen pop
Speaker 4: up online later would have been immediate. We wouldn't have
Speaker 4: had the sort of rally around the flag that we had.
Speaker 4: So I do think that you're absolutely right, that's a
Speaker 4: huge part of it.
Speaker 2: There were conspiracy theories even back then, of course, but
Speaker 2: they were spread in like books you had to read
Speaker 2: a book about it, you know, or the websites. Right,
Speaker 2: there were some, but it just wasn't quite what it
Speaker 2: is now, which is somebody could say something crazy on
Speaker 2: x and get you know, a million shares or whatever.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it spreads a lot faster now.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's so hard. I mean, there's the saying
Speaker 4: that what is it alike and travel halfway around the
Speaker 4: world before the truth get its shoes on. With social
Speaker 4: media and the media, it's even so much faster that
Speaker 4: being able to sort of put the toothpaste back in
Speaker 4: the tube is now almost impossible, you know. And so
Speaker 4: that's that's I think the challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3: What a sixteen year old Matt need to know?
Speaker 4: That's such a good question because I feel like sometimes
Speaker 4: I think, you know, maybe I shouldn't have been as
Speaker 4: stressed in high school about things like, you know, grades
Speaker 4: and what I was studying, things like that. But I
Speaker 4: also think that stress was really important because I needed
Speaker 4: to get the education I got, I needed to get
Speaker 4: into a good college and things like that. But I
Speaker 4: do think when we look back on those formative years
Speaker 4: and think about the things we learned that don't matter now,
Speaker 4: For example, trigonometry whatever, when's the last time I used that,
Speaker 4: it wasn't about learning trigonometry. It was about learning how
Speaker 4: to learn, and it was about learning how your mind developed.
Speaker 4: So I think that I would tell my sixteen year
Speaker 4: old self, keep your head down, keep working through it,
Speaker 4: because all of these things will play a role at
Speaker 4: some point in your life, even if it's just conditioning
Speaker 4: your mind to be able to sort of do things
Speaker 4: later that are hard, or helping you think outside the box.
Speaker 4: I think I would probably that's such weird advice, but
Speaker 4: just you know, stay the course and remember that all
Speaker 4: these things have some value. All of these experiences have
Speaker 4: some value for you that you're going to lean on
Speaker 4: at some point in your life. Because I think that
Speaker 4: it's so easy to think back on those formative years again,
Speaker 4: as I was saying, and think of parts that were
Speaker 4: less relevant or that you were more worried about than
Speaker 4: you should have been or more stressed about. But all
Speaker 4: those are building blocks, right, All those are a part
Speaker 4: of our development, and I think that that really is
Speaker 4: so important. And so I'm grateful for the hard times
Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, but also the really good
Speaker 4: times that helped me sort of learn and grow and
Speaker 4: learn how to build relationships and all of that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're never going to use trigonometry kids, never. No, No,
Speaker 2: Actually I made myself figure out a percentage today, even
Speaker 2: though I could have just googled what is this percentage?
Speaker 3: Which is the other thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, you have all this information and access to information,
Speaker 2: we should still exercise your brain. So they exactly that
Speaker 2: person walking around with you telling you the names of
Speaker 2: everybody that you already know exactly. It's all one thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you might never use trigonometry, but there is some important
Speaker 2: stuff you pick up along the way.
Speaker 4: Stretch your brain, stretch your brain a little bit. I
Speaker 4: think that's when I took the l SAT for example,
Speaker 4: which again I didn't end up it and I didn't
Speaker 4: end up going to law school, but there are exercises
Speaker 4: that stretch your mind. And I was like, this is insane.
Speaker 4: I've never thought this way, But I'm so glad that
Speaker 4: I'm learning how to do this. And I do feel
Speaker 4: like I should clarify. I never took trickon on my treat.
Speaker 4: I think I stopped math. I think I stopped making
Speaker 4: a like algebra two, just trying to make a smart
Speaker 4: word math person. I never did in mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I took the outside.
Speaker 2: I did pretty well. I like puzzles, you know, all
Speaker 2: of that was it was okay.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not a I'm a I'm even like.
Speaker 2: Today, I count on my fingers like I am not
Speaker 2: a math.
Speaker 4: My god, my wife makes fun of me. I count
Speaker 4: on my fingers when I'm like doing like you know,
Speaker 4: ten twenty thirty, fifteen, thirty, forty five, sixty. But she
Speaker 4: thinks I'm kinding like one two, three, four five, like
Speaker 4: I'm moron, And I'm like, oh no, these are big numbers.
Speaker 4: These are like giant times tables. This is smart, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look smart one two five, Right, I.
Speaker 3: Kind of wish I didn't count the little.
Speaker 4: No judgement here whatever, I'm.
Speaker 2: A words person. I'm not me too, you know that's
Speaker 2: a very different mindset.
Speaker 3: Yes, no question, all right, well this is so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and us here with your best tip for my
Speaker 2: listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4: My best tip for how you can improve your lives
Speaker 4: is figure out how to shut out the noise in
Speaker 4: certain moments. Figure out how to unplug from things. Figure
Speaker 4: out how to put politics away, turn off Twitter, whatever
Speaker 4: for certain amounts of time so that you can actually
Speaker 4: enjoy other things. I find that I enjoy the news
Speaker 4: and politics so much more when I've taken some time
Speaker 4: away from it so I can come back with fresh eyes.
Speaker 4: It's hard. It's hard, honestly, especially in these Trump years,
Speaker 4: when there's so much news all the time. He's doing
Speaker 4: so many things. The media is up in arms all
Speaker 4: the time. But I remember when I got married, I
Speaker 4: went on, like in twenty eighteen, I went on my
Speaker 4: honeymoon and like put my phone away, and I thought,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, it's the early Trump years. I'm a
Speaker 4: Senate communications director. I'm gonna miss so many things. I
Speaker 4: missed a million things, but then there are a million
Speaker 4: more things that came so I didn't matter. You know,
Speaker 4: so unplugged, you're not going to miss anything that you can't,
Speaker 4: you know, pick back up on when you need to.
Speaker 4: But it makes it so much better to enjoy your family,
Speaker 4: your life and other things and then come back to
Speaker 4: it with fresh eyes.
Speaker 2: I love that I unplug for like my vacations with
Speaker 2: my family and I take X off my phone and yeah,
Speaker 2: you miss a news cycle and you sometimes come back
Speaker 2: and you're like, wait, Nikki Haley said.
Speaker 4: This good, you know, like wait, yes, catch heay, So.
Speaker 3: What you missed it? It's gone.
Speaker 4: It's well fill space within ten seconds exactly.
Speaker 2: You got the time with your family and that you
Speaker 2: can never get back.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Matt. He's the host of the
Speaker 3: Ten Minute Jill Podcast. Check it out. Matt Whitlock, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on.
Speaker 4: Thank you really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marko
Speaker 2: Witch Show.
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