WEBVTT - Karol Markowicz Show: Misunderstandings in Politics with Matt Whitlock 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:05.400 Nine. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.320 What In fact, Carol Markets show on iHeartRadio. Wishbone Kitchen 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.840 is an Instagram account I enjoy. She's a young private 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.240 chef and she posts about her morning diet, coke habit 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.720 and the amazing stuff that she cooks for her fairly 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.400 well off clients. She has a cookbook coming out too. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:27.680 I plant buy it. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:28.720 She's interesting. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:29.560 I like it. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.840 But she had this to say recently on the Better 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.440 Home and Gardens page, and I want to. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:36.080 Talk about it. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.240 Let's roll that clip. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.400 That's the beef I have with like child wife content. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:40.760 I guess. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.640 I feel like homemaking for me personally is just like 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.839 within me, Like I feel this urge to nest at 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.159 all times, and I'm, you know, not preparing. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:52.360 For a baby. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.680 I'm not nesting for a man. I'm not nesting for 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.400 a family. I'm doing it for myself. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.640 And so it's so interesting that it's always through the lens. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.720 Of I'm doing this for my husband, and like that 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.280 makes me feelicky because I'm like, well, if you're if 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.760 you're not doing it for yourself, you shouldn't just do 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:08.960 it for your husband. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.479 Like that's not right. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.600 So I like to approach hosting homemaking, home cooking with 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.399 a lens of like, I'm doing this because I enjoy it. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.120 It makes me happy, and this is how I like 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.680 to spend my time and period out of discussion. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.800 I know it shouldn't bother me, but this whole, the 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.880 way I do it is the right way. Thing is annoying, 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.800 especially when we're talking about something like keeping house, something 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.280 our grandmothers and great grandmothers and so on did as 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.240 a matter of course, they didn't give it a name 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.480 or make it part of their personality. It makes everyone 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.040 imagine a much more difficult life than most people have. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.040 Once you make a thing out of something, it's hard 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.600 to make it go back to just being a part 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:55.280 of life. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:55.760 Again. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.240 I really like this woman's work, but this whole I 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.920 don't try to wife like you guys do it for 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.640 your husband and kids. I do it for myself. It 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.720 rubs me the wrong way. You can cook for yourself, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.800 You can cook for friends, as she often does, and 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.840 sure it's okay to cook for your husband and kids. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.639 And I get that. Part of speaking in public is 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.440 the ability to do so with some degree of authority. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.840 And of course, all of us, including myself, who give 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.080 public comment have to be saying some version of my 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.160 way is best. But I resent this constant drumbeat of 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.200 anti marriage and family rhetoric. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:36.119 And that's what I think. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.200 This is a part of I think about myself hearing 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.520 this kind of thing in my twenties and definitely believing 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.080 that marriage and children would be drudgery. And I was wrong. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.880 And the truth is I learned to cook after I 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.240 started dating my husband, and it's still something I enjoy 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.160 doing so much. Could I have done it before him? 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.840 Of course, maybe I should have done it for myself. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.639 And it's fine that she is, but it's very enjoyable 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.520 to do it for your family. The woman at this account, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.799 she's quite young, and I would bet she will love 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.440 cooking for a family, and I hope she gets the 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.480 opportunity to do that and show her followers how that's done. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.000 And it won't always be eating caviar on potato chips 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.320 as she's doing in this clip, and it won't always 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.359 be instagrammable or have a nice esthetic, but it will 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.919 still be fulfilling and can still make you happy. Thanks 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.080 for listening. Coming up my interview with Matt Whitlock. But first, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.080 Israel is still under attack. Missile fire has resumed from 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:45.880 the Jutis Hasbolah and Ramas enemies seeking Israel's destruction. 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That's why I'm partnering with the International 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.000 Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help provide life saving 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.160 aid and security essentials. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.600 Your urgently needed gift. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:25.039 Today will help provide security essentials like bomb shelters, flack 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:30.080 jackets and bulletproof vests for first responders, armored security vehicles, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:35.240 ambulances and more. Join me in standing with Israel. Call 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.120 to make your gift at eight eight eight four eight 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:43.160 eight IFCJ that's eight eight eight four eight eight four 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:49.600 three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.479 on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Matt Whitlock. Matt is 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.320 a Republican strategist and host of the Ten Minute Drill podcast. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:58.880 So nice to have you on Matt. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.279 It is such an honor. I have told you this, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:02.840 but I've been a fan of yours for a very 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.400 very long time, everything from what you wrote about COVID 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.640 to what you're writing about parenting now. This is so great. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:08.680 So thank you for having me. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.840 Thank you so much. The feeling is very mutual. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.280 I always found you to be very, very smart and 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.240 interesting on the old Twitter. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.760 Plans, very kind. We call X. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.280 Now, how did you get into this world? How did 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.800 you become a Republican strategist? 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.960 It's so funny you asked that. So I actually had 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.239 intended always on going to law school. I just felt 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.000 like my dad's a lawyer. I thought, you know, that's 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.320 the lane for me. I love to argue with people. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.320 But actually I was a missionary in Japan in my 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.320 college years, and I found that arguing with people didn't 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:42.920 appeal to me as much. And I don't know if 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.159 that's what turned me or I just enjoyed communications. But 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.720 I found that I loved talking to people and figuring 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.680 out how to explain complex concepts. In that case, it 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.960 was like about religion to people who had a very 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.960 different religious background. But I think that sort of started 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.040 me thinking about it, and then I got home. I 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.800 actually moved out to Washington with the intention of starting 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.279 law school, but while I was doing my applications, I 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.920 had a friend in Senator Mike Lee's office and they 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.040 needed a driver for the senator for just the summer months, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.880 and I thought, I'm fresh out of college, that would 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.200 be a really fun experience to just drive a senator 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.800 around see how the process works. And I ended up 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.880 having a blast. He was such a great boss. I 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.680 had so much fun with him. But I also got 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.360 to play a role in the writing, and after a 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.440 little bit of time, I realized speech writing was a 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.120 lot of fun. So I started writing his speeches and 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.480 he let me move into doing that full time, which 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.880 was a blast, and that led me into a very 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.320 different path than I had intended, but one that was 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.279 really enjoyable. You know, It's one of those things you 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.880 just never know where life's going to take you. And now, gosh, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.920 thirteen years later, I've been doing you know, speech writing. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.800 And then I was a press secretary. I worked in 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.440 corporate communications, and now I get to do kind of 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.800 a general grad bag of everything, which is so much fun. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.040 But I did not intend that when I first moved 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.560 to Washington back in twenty twelve, was it like. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.920 You realized you could argue without the law degree and 0:06:59.360 --> 0:06:59.680 took off. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.279 And I think that, like, there's more fun outside of 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.039 the parameters of law when you get into that. You know, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.640 for one, there's so much reading inment, but also I 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.800 just really enjoyed the creative side of debating and trying 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.720 to win people over to your side using sort of new, creative, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.360 different storytelling measures, things like that. It was just so 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.960 much more fun outside of that realm. And it's funny. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.360 The person who talked me out of going to law 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.960 school the most was Senator Lee, who's literally a constitutional 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.960 scholar and the United States Senator. But he said, you know, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.600 if you don't want to practice law, you shouldn't do it. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.720 And you're a creative, so you should do something that 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.360 allows you to sort of stretch your legs a little 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.640 bit more. And I think that really helped me decide, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.200 you know, this was a better path to try and 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.920 chase what was Living in Japan life amazing. Honestly, Japan 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.280 is incredible. I feel like everyone if you have an 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.440 opportunity to go spend a week in one place in 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.880 the world. Go check out Japan and spend a day 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.679 or two in Tokyo or Kyoto or the high tourist places, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.080 but also spend some time in the rural country. I 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.240 was up in Sendai way up north, which is very 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.120 rural but so beautiful, the best people in the world. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.440 I actually served in a place that later had the 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.280 massive tsunamis in twenty eleven, and it was crazy to 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.800 see that happen in places that I knew, but also 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.040 how quickly they rebuilt and how fast they kind of 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.520 jumped into action. And that's what I really came to 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.440 love so much about the Japanese people, is that they're 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.960 so resilient and focused. I really loved my time there. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.480 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:26.720 How long were you there? 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.120 Two years as every two years, which if you're learning 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.480 a language like Japanese, is like you want all that time. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.080 And we spent three months at a training facility where 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.679 they work on things like both you know, how to 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.720 become a missionary, but also how to learn the language. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.040 But three months is not close to getting you ready 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.680 to speak Japanese. But once you're there and you're surrounded 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.640 by people, it's you know, speak or don't talk to 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.240 anybody and don't figure out, you know, how to feed yourself. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.199 So being there was incredibly helpful to learning the language, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.960 learning to love the culture, the food, everything. It just 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:00.760 is the best. I had such a great time. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.680 What would have been Plan B if you didn't go 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:04.800 into politics or law? 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.679 That's such a good question. I think about that sometimes. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.840 I I mean, everyone always like falls back on things 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.760 like sports because that's what their dream was when they 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.840 were a kid. I played high school baseball and I 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:17.319 loved it. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.760 We dream big here anything you. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.720 Know, Well, it's funny like as if as if like 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.600 professional baseball had really been a possibility. But the thing 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.679 that turned me off to it the most was when 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.360 I got to college and all my friends who were 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.280 on the team had to like wake up at five 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.240 am every day, And like, I was having way too 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.600 much fun in college to like wake up at five 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.400 am for baseball practice. So like, had they wanted this. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.920 MLB career, guys went way too early. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.000 I don't want that anyways, even if it wasn't you know, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.240 even if it was going to work out, not for me, no, 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.440 But so I don't know, I loved sports. I love 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.040 I actually was an English major. I really loved reading 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.120 and writing and composition. So I could see myself maybe 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.240 wanting to teach just because I love delving into literature 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.240 and things like that. I kind of nerd out over 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.800 like the American classes, so I could see that being 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.800 an angle that would be interesting. I had really amazing 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.080 teachers in high school, particularly in English and lit that 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.240 made me passionate about this stuff, and so I think 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.280 that's an area that I would have maybe spent some 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.439 time in. But it's really hard to imagine, like say 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:18.920 what I do now and then thinking of me like 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.600 in a classroom and like you know, telling kids about 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.959 you know, Dickens and Steinbecken. You know, it's just such 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.920 a different world. But it is the other thing that 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.720 I think I'm probably most passionate about outside of politics. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.320 What do you think people misunderstand about the political world 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.520 and how things actually work on the inside. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.800 I love that question because I think in the last 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.600 like ten to fifteen years, we've had a devolution of 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.800 everyone thinking politics is the West Wing, then thinking it 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.200 was House of cards, and landing on the resolution that 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.120 really is veep and weep is so much closer to 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.080 the actual experience. I moved to DC in part, you know, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.120 with this dream because I had watched The West Wing 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.959 and I really loved it, and I thought, you know, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.200 I could make world what I have to tell you, like, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.000 I had experiences in the Senate, both for Senator Lee 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.200 but also in my time with Senator Hatch that did 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.520 feel like the West Wing, like we were doing huge things, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.320 seeing really important things happen, and I loved that. But 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.600 so much more of the day to day of working 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.720 in politics really is deep. I think of the scenes 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.280 of the aid whispering in her ear who everybody is 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.320 and what to say and not say. I spent so 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.840 much time doing that, and a photo line trying to 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.400 tell the Senator, you know, don't say this to this person, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.000 or watch out for this issue with that person, and that, 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.720 you know, the comedic moments really are so much more 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.440 what your day to day life is about than the glamorous, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.839 you know, heroic moments with triumphant music playing from the 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:41.439 West Wing. 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.920 As I get older, though, I like wish I had 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.559 somebody whispering in my ear, like who everybody is? 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.120 I like who I shouldn't say? Certain things too that 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.640 would be very convenient. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.720 Actually all the time. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.200 This is a professor, like a profession that I don't 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.280 think exists, but like for regular people. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.360 Yeah, honestly I think that, especially now I'm like, I'm 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.480 not as old as I feel, but I still am, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.199 like forgetting names of people that I should know, because 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.400 you have little kids and you don't get enough sleep, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.640 and you start forgetting really easy things. Have you just 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.760 like someone on your shoulder, like, hey, don't say that 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.880 to this person. It would be awesome. I do think 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:16.439 that all the. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.719 Time, and you meet people all the time. I like, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.200 you know, when I moved to Florida and I met 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.839 like a whole new world world of people. One time 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.280 I forgot somebody's name and her husband actually said to 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.320 me something really kind, and it was just like, you know, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.520 you moved here, you met like a thousand new people, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.680 Like we only met like one person you like it, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.640 you know, So it was like, you know, it's not 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.439 really fair and some kind of thing. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.360 So I'm glad that they get you some grace on that. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.280 Yes, I always give grace when people absolutely my name. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.040 And that kind of thing. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:49.480 Yeah, they should, they should. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.040 But billion dollar profession you send people out to just 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.040 walk alongside and you know I would pay something for that. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.600 Yes, So how did you start? What made you start 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.199 the Ten Minute Drill podcast? 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.800 So in this last election, I had so many conversations, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.160 particularly with people outside of Washington, asking just like, what's 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.079 going on? What is this story? Particularly family members who 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.640 would see things in media and say that sounds crazy, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.280 and I would, in a two minute conversation explain the 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.440 context and they'd say, oh, that makes so much sense. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.320 And so my thought was, it would be great if 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.160 we had just one more channel to cut through the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.080 noise and help people sort of really be able to 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.880 parse what is overblown, because one thing about the Trump 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.720 years is you do have a lot of media really 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.360 eager to jump in and report things, sometimes without getting 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.320 all the facts. And I think that one thing that 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.920 is helpful for people to know is what's normal versus 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.000 what's not. And also sometimes like what happens all the 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.880 time that is being treated as some crazy incident. Yeah, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.760 so that's a part of what really made me want 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.560 to do this. Like I had a family member ask, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.000 you know, they had heard a story that President Trump's 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.840 still had kids in cages four years after he was 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.560 in the White House, and like I explained, you know, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.240 that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I can 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.680 see where the sort of media would want to lead 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.520 you that way. And so that was a lago or 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.800 exactly like what you know, give us exactly. So there 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.040 are just so many absurd things. But I also feel 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.800 like the media has the capability to really warp minds. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.760 And it's so interesting how the conversation in the last 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.280 ten years has been you know, more concerned about like 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.520 conservative family members being warped. But the number of I'm 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.840 from the San Francisco Bay area, the number of friends 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.240 of mine who have just totally warped views of the 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.200 reality of politics because of what media has really dug 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.920 into these last few years. It's been pretty shocking. I 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.400 have really smart, reasonable friends who have been sort of 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.360 led into conspiracy theories on things that I am like, wait, 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.480 a sect that's insane and totally not true. And so 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.760 being able to just spend a few minutes you can't 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.400 you know, whack every mole, but being able to say 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.240 here's a real thing and here's a fake thing in 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.120 ten minutes or less. That's that's my goal with it 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.720 is just to make a sort of quick rundown of 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.000 what's going on and why something you might have heard 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.000 about is real or not. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.520 How do you choose which story to focus on? 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:15.600 I have to tell you so much of it has 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.560 to do with like the things that I am getting 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.200 to engage with on a daily basis. I get to 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.800 spend a lot of time with, you know, staffers on 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.920 Capitol Hill, with members with friends working in the administration 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.240 who are trying to navigate this media landscape and running 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.360 into these land mines of things getting misreported misrepresented. So 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.000 that's a big part of it, is working with my 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.680 own network about what's going on and what needs to 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.280 be explained a little bit better. But a lot of it, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.360 too is just the things that I follow in track 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.480 and media and see, Okay, this is getting a lot 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.600 of attention, but this angle to it. For example, you know, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.520 when we talk about protests at town halls, one thing 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.840 that hasn't gotten enough attention across media is the organization 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.720 behind that and the dark money that's funding so much 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.640 of this. So like if we can shine a light 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.280 on that and sort of show the reds and you know, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.160 follow the money, things like that, those are things that, like, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.360 I see so much in my feed that I'm like, Okay, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.400 I could spend a few minutes talking about We're going 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:08.800 to take. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.840 A quick break and be right back on the Carol 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.960 Marcowitch Show. What do you worry about? 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.280 I do worry And this is going to sound ironic 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.880 from a like partisan political operative, but I do worry 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.320 about division because I grew up in the era of 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.960 you know, particularly after nine to eleven. For example, I 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.200 remember I didn't have a lot of Republican friends growing up. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.240 President Bush was not popular, you know, among my friends 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.840 in high school, things like that. But after nine to eleven, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.680 seeing people rally around the flag and feel really positive 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.480 about our country and the need to stand up for ourselves. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.280 It's so interesting that when you look at events in 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.920 the last ten to fifteen years, we don't seem to 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.040 have that same unifying energy that sort of brings us 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.280 all together. We used to sort of have a code 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.280 that things division could only go so far. And I 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.320 just worry that, particularly, you know, from the old Ama 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.480 year's when we spent a lot of time. And I'm 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.440 trying not to dive too far into politics because I 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.000 think one thing that's really fun and fresh about your 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.159 show is it's not hyperpartisan, but it felt like politics 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.480 shifted from we disagree about ideas too. If you disagree 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.520 with me, you're trying to shove Granny off a cliff. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.800 And I don't know that we've ever come back from that. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.439 And I do think for a long time we tried 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.600 to sort of meander our way back to it. You know, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 A Mitt Romney presidential candidate represented this idea that we 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.800 could go back to that where we were super respectful 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.399 of each other. But I think that what happened to 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.679 Mitt Romney was they still call them hitler and they 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.880 talked about how terrible of a person he was, even 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.600 though he was such a good guy, you know. Yeah, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.120 And so that radicalized so many people to the point 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.679 where they're saying, Okay, we need a Donald Trump type person. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.439 And I think that there's reason for that, you know, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:48.879 and I think it makes a lot of sense. I 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.040 just don't know how we ever go back to where 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.560 and MSNBC segments at night are not calling us all 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.520 murderers and getting half the country to think that we're 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.040 so much more divided because if you look in the 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.040 halls of Congress, Republicans and Democrats actually get along a 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.080 lot better than you would find. Yeah, how do we 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.520 spread that and actually show that people are not as 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.840 sort of hateful towards each other as a lot of 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.920 the political discourse seems to feel, right, I. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.400 Think when you're in the world, you get along far 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.320 better people on the opposite side, No question, it's actually 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.520 surprising to people that like activists on both sides. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.040 Would get along well, or list or politicians or any 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.160 of that. But I also I think about, like, if 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.320 the internet was what it is today. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.880 On nine to eleven, I think it would have been 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.280 not quite the easy, exactly right. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.359 Post nine to eleven experience. I don't know that we 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.520