1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Nine. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: What In fact, Carol Markets show on iHeartRadio. Wishbone Kitchen 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: is an Instagram account I enjoy. She's a young private 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: chef and she posts about her morning diet, coke habit 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: and the amazing stuff that she cooks for her fairly 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: well off clients. She has a cookbook coming out too. 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 3: I plant buy it. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: She's interesting. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: I like it. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: But she had this to say recently on the Better 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: Home and Gardens page, and I want to. 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: Talk about it. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Let's roll that clip. 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: That's the beef I have with like child wife content. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: I guess. 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I feel like homemaking for me personally is just like 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: within me, Like I feel this urge to nest at 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: all times, and I'm, you know, not preparing. 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: For a baby. 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm not nesting for a man. I'm not nesting for 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: a family. I'm doing it for myself. 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: And so it's so interesting that it's always through the lens. 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Of I'm doing this for my husband, and like that 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: makes me feelicky because I'm like, well, if you're if 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: you're not doing it for yourself, you shouldn't just do 26 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: it for your husband. 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 3: Like that's not right. 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: So I like to approach hosting homemaking, home cooking with 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: a lens of like, I'm doing this because I enjoy it. 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: It makes me happy, and this is how I like 31 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: to spend my time and period out of discussion. 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: I know it shouldn't bother me, but this whole, the 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: way I do it is the right way. Thing is annoying, 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about something like keeping house, something 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: our grandmothers and great grandmothers and so on did as 36 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: a matter of course, they didn't give it a name 37 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: or make it part of their personality. It makes everyone 38 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: imagine a much more difficult life than most people have. 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: Once you make a thing out of something, it's hard 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: to make it go back to just being a part 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: of life. 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Again. 43 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: I really like this woman's work, but this whole I 44 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: don't try to wife like you guys do it for 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: your husband and kids. I do it for myself. It 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: rubs me the wrong way. You can cook for yourself, 47 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: You can cook for friends, as she often does, and 48 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: sure it's okay to cook for your husband and kids. 49 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: And I get that. Part of speaking in public is 50 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: the ability to do so with some degree of authority. 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: And of course, all of us, including myself, who give 52 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: public comment have to be saying some version of my 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: way is best. But I resent this constant drumbeat of 54 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: anti marriage and family rhetoric. 55 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: And that's what I think. 56 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: This is a part of I think about myself hearing 57 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: this kind of thing in my twenties and definitely believing 58 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: that marriage and children would be drudgery. And I was wrong. 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: And the truth is I learned to cook after I 60 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: started dating my husband, and it's still something I enjoy 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: doing so much. Could I have done it before him? 62 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: Of course, maybe I should have done it for myself. 63 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: And it's fine that she is, but it's very enjoyable 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: to do it for your family. The woman at this account, 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: she's quite young, and I would bet she will love 66 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: cooking for a family, and I hope she gets the 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: opportunity to do that and show her followers how that's done. 68 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: And it won't always be eating caviar on potato chips 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: as she's doing in this clip, and it won't always 70 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: be instagrammable or have a nice esthetic, but it will 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: still be fulfilling and can still make you happy. Thanks 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: for listening. Coming up my interview with Matt Whitlock. But first, 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: Israel is still under attack. Missile fire has resumed from 74 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: the Jutis Hasbolah and Ramas enemies seeking Israel's destruction. Here 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: in America, we cannot imagine living under constant threat of 76 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: terrorism and rocket attacks. This is the reality in Israel. 77 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: Parents taking their children to school, falling to the ground 78 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: to lay on top of their small children, trying to 79 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: comfort them as sirens blair. 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Call 88 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: to make your gift at eight eight eight four eight 89 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: eight IFCJ that's eight eight eight four eight eight four 90 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Matt Whitlock. Matt is 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: a Republican strategist and host of the Ten Minute Drill podcast. 93 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: So nice to have you on Matt. 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: It is such an honor. I have told you this, 95 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 4: but I've been a fan of yours for a very 96 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: very long time, everything from what you wrote about COVID 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: to what you're writing about parenting now. This is so great. 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: So thank you for having me. 99 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. The feeling is very mutual. 100 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: I always found you to be very, very smart and 101 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: interesting on the old Twitter. 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: Plans, very kind. We call X. 103 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: Now, how did you get into this world? How did 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: you become a Republican strategist? 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: It's so funny you asked that. So I actually had 106 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 4: intended always on going to law school. I just felt 107 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: like my dad's a lawyer. I thought, you know, that's 108 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: the lane for me. I love to argue with people. 109 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: But actually I was a missionary in Japan in my 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: college years, and I found that arguing with people didn't 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: appeal to me as much. And I don't know if 112 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: that's what turned me or I just enjoyed communications. But 113 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 4: I found that I loved talking to people and figuring 114 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: out how to explain complex concepts. In that case, it 115 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: was like about religion to people who had a very 116 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: different religious background. But I think that sort of started 117 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 4: me thinking about it, and then I got home. I 118 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: actually moved out to Washington with the intention of starting 119 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 4: law school, but while I was doing my applications, I 120 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: had a friend in Senator Mike Lee's office and they 121 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 4: needed a driver for the senator for just the summer months, 122 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: and I thought, I'm fresh out of college, that would 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: be a really fun experience to just drive a senator 124 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: around see how the process works. And I ended up 125 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: having a blast. He was such a great boss. I 126 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: had so much fun with him. But I also got 127 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: to play a role in the writing, and after a 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: little bit of time, I realized speech writing was a 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: lot of fun. So I started writing his speeches and 130 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: he let me move into doing that full time, which 131 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: was a blast, and that led me into a very 132 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: different path than I had intended, but one that was 133 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 4: really enjoyable. You know, It's one of those things you 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: just never know where life's going to take you. And now, gosh, 135 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 4: thirteen years later, I've been doing you know, speech writing. 136 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: And then I was a press secretary. I worked in 137 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: corporate communications, and now I get to do kind of 138 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: a general grad bag of everything, which is so much fun. 139 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 4: But I did not intend that when I first moved 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: to Washington back in twenty twelve, was it like. 141 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: You realized you could argue without the law degree and 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: took off. 143 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 4: And I think that, like, there's more fun outside of 144 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 4: the parameters of law when you get into that. You know, 145 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: for one, there's so much reading inment, but also I 146 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: just really enjoyed the creative side of debating and trying 147 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: to win people over to your side using sort of new, creative, 148 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: different storytelling measures, things like that. It was just so 149 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: much more fun outside of that realm. And it's funny. 150 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: The person who talked me out of going to law 151 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: school the most was Senator Lee, who's literally a constitutional 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: scholar and the United States Senator. But he said, you know, 153 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: if you don't want to practice law, you shouldn't do it. 154 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: And you're a creative, so you should do something that 155 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: allows you to sort of stretch your legs a little 156 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: bit more. And I think that really helped me decide, 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: you know, this was a better path to try and 158 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: chase what was Living in Japan life amazing. Honestly, Japan 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: is incredible. I feel like everyone if you have an 160 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 4: opportunity to go spend a week in one place in 161 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: the world. Go check out Japan and spend a day 162 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 4: or two in Tokyo or Kyoto or the high tourist places, 163 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: but also spend some time in the rural country. I 164 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: was up in Sendai way up north, which is very 165 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: rural but so beautiful, the best people in the world. 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: I actually served in a place that later had the 167 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: massive tsunamis in twenty eleven, and it was crazy to 168 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: see that happen in places that I knew, but also 169 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: how quickly they rebuilt and how fast they kind of 170 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: jumped into action. And that's what I really came to 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: love so much about the Japanese people, is that they're 172 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: so resilient and focused. I really loved my time there. 173 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. 174 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: How long were you there? 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: Two years as every two years, which if you're learning 176 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: a language like Japanese, is like you want all that time. 177 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: And we spent three months at a training facility where 178 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 4: they work on things like both you know, how to 179 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 4: become a missionary, but also how to learn the language. 180 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: But three months is not close to getting you ready 181 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: to speak Japanese. But once you're there and you're surrounded 182 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: by people, it's you know, speak or don't talk to 183 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: anybody and don't figure out, you know, how to feed yourself. 184 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 4: So being there was incredibly helpful to learning the language, 185 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 4: learning to love the culture, the food, everything. It just 186 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: is the best. I had such a great time. 187 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: What would have been Plan B if you didn't go 188 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: into politics or law? 189 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: That's such a good question. I think about that sometimes. 190 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: I I mean, everyone always like falls back on things 191 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: like sports because that's what their dream was when they 192 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: were a kid. I played high school baseball and I 193 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 4: loved it. 194 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: We dream big here anything you. 195 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: Know, Well, it's funny like as if as if like 196 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: professional baseball had really been a possibility. But the thing 197 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: that turned me off to it the most was when 198 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: I got to college and all my friends who were 199 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: on the team had to like wake up at five 200 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: am every day, And like, I was having way too 201 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 4: much fun in college to like wake up at five 202 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: am for baseball practice. So like, had they wanted this. 203 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: MLB career, guys went way too early. 204 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: I don't want that anyways, even if it wasn't you know, 205 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: even if it was going to work out, not for me, no, 206 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 4: But so I don't know, I loved sports. I love 207 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: I actually was an English major. I really loved reading 208 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: and writing and composition. So I could see myself maybe 209 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: wanting to teach just because I love delving into literature 210 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: and things like that. I kind of nerd out over 211 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: like the American classes, so I could see that being 212 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: an angle that would be interesting. I had really amazing 213 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: teachers in high school, particularly in English and lit that 214 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: made me passionate about this stuff, and so I think 215 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: that's an area that I would have maybe spent some 216 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 4: time in. But it's really hard to imagine, like say 217 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: what I do now and then thinking of me like 218 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: in a classroom and like you know, telling kids about 219 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 4: you know, Dickens and Steinbecken. You know, it's just such 220 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: a different world. But it is the other thing that 221 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: I think I'm probably most passionate about outside of politics. 222 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: What do you think people misunderstand about the political world 223 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: and how things actually work on the inside. 224 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: I love that question because I think in the last 225 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: like ten to fifteen years, we've had a devolution of 226 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: everyone thinking politics is the West Wing, then thinking it 227 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 4: was House of cards, and landing on the resolution that 228 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: really is veep and weep is so much closer to 229 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: the actual experience. I moved to DC in part, you know, 230 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: with this dream because I had watched The West Wing 231 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 4: and I really loved it, and I thought, you know, 232 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: I could make world what I have to tell you, like, 233 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: I had experiences in the Senate, both for Senator Lee 234 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: but also in my time with Senator Hatch that did 235 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: feel like the West Wing, like we were doing huge things, 236 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: seeing really important things happen, and I loved that. But 237 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: so much more of the day to day of working 238 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: in politics really is deep. I think of the scenes 239 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: of the aid whispering in her ear who everybody is 240 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: and what to say and not say. I spent so 241 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: much time doing that, and a photo line trying to 242 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 4: tell the Senator, you know, don't say this to this person, 243 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: or watch out for this issue with that person, and that, 244 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: you know, the comedic moments really are so much more 245 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: what your day to day life is about than the glamorous, 246 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 4: you know, heroic moments with triumphant music playing from the 247 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 4: West Wing. 248 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: As I get older, though, I like wish I had 249 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: somebody whispering in my ear, like who everybody is? 250 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: I like who I shouldn't say? Certain things too that 251 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: would be very convenient. 252 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 4: Actually all the time. 253 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: This is a professor, like a profession that I don't 254 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: think exists, but like for regular people. 255 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly I think that, especially now I'm like, I'm 256 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: not as old as I feel, but I still am, 257 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 4: like forgetting names of people that I should know, because 258 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: you have little kids and you don't get enough sleep, 259 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: and you start forgetting really easy things. Have you just 260 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: like someone on your shoulder, like, hey, don't say that 261 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: to this person. It would be awesome. I do think 262 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 4: that all the. 263 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 2: Time, and you meet people all the time. I like, 264 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: you know, when I moved to Florida and I met 265 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 2: like a whole new world world of people. One time 266 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: I forgot somebody's name and her husband actually said to 267 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: me something really kind, and it was just like, you know, 268 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: you moved here, you met like a thousand new people, 269 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: Like we only met like one person you like it, 270 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: you know, So it was like, you know, it's not 271 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: really fair and some kind of thing. 272 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: So I'm glad that they get you some grace on that. 273 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I always give grace when people absolutely my name. 274 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: And that kind of thing. 275 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, they should, they should. 276 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: But billion dollar profession you send people out to just 277 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: walk alongside and you know I would pay something for that. 278 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: Yes, So how did you start? What made you start 279 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: the Ten Minute Drill podcast? 280 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: So in this last election, I had so many conversations, 281 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 4: particularly with people outside of Washington, asking just like, what's 282 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 4: going on? What is this story? Particularly family members who 283 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: would see things in media and say that sounds crazy, 284 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 4: and I would, in a two minute conversation explain the 285 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: context and they'd say, oh, that makes so much sense. 286 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 4: And so my thought was, it would be great if 287 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: we had just one more channel to cut through the 288 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: noise and help people sort of really be able to 289 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: parse what is overblown, because one thing about the Trump 290 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: years is you do have a lot of media really 291 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: eager to jump in and report things, sometimes without getting 292 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: all the facts. And I think that one thing that 293 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: is helpful for people to know is what's normal versus 294 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: what's not. And also sometimes like what happens all the 295 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: time that is being treated as some crazy incident. Yeah, 296 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: so that's a part of what really made me want 297 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 4: to do this. Like I had a family member ask, 298 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: you know, they had heard a story that President Trump's 299 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 4: still had kids in cages four years after he was 300 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: in the White House, and like I explained, you know, 301 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I can 302 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: see where the sort of media would want to lead 303 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: you that way. And so that was a lago or 304 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: exactly like what you know, give us exactly. So there 305 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: are just so many absurd things. But I also feel 306 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: like the media has the capability to really warp minds. 307 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: And it's so interesting how the conversation in the last 308 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: ten years has been you know, more concerned about like 309 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: conservative family members being warped. But the number of I'm 310 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: from the San Francisco Bay area, the number of friends 311 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: of mine who have just totally warped views of the 312 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: reality of politics because of what media has really dug 313 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: into these last few years. It's been pretty shocking. I 314 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: have really smart, reasonable friends who have been sort of 315 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: led into conspiracy theories on things that I am like, wait, 316 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 4: a sect that's insane and totally not true. And so 317 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 4: being able to just spend a few minutes you can't 318 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: you know, whack every mole, but being able to say 319 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 4: here's a real thing and here's a fake thing in 320 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: ten minutes or less. That's that's my goal with it 321 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: is just to make a sort of quick rundown of 322 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: what's going on and why something you might have heard 323 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: about is real or not. 324 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: How do you choose which story to focus on? 325 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: I have to tell you so much of it has 326 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: to do with like the things that I am getting 327 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: to engage with on a daily basis. I get to 328 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: spend a lot of time with, you know, staffers on 329 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 4: Capitol Hill, with members with friends working in the administration 330 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: who are trying to navigate this media landscape and running 331 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: into these land mines of things getting misreported misrepresented. So 332 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: that's a big part of it, is working with my 333 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 4: own network about what's going on and what needs to 334 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: be explained a little bit better. But a lot of it, 335 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: too is just the things that I follow in track 336 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: and media and see, Okay, this is getting a lot 337 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: of attention, but this angle to it. For example, you know, 338 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: when we talk about protests at town halls, one thing 339 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 4: that hasn't gotten enough attention across media is the organization 340 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: behind that and the dark money that's funding so much 341 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: of this. So like if we can shine a light 342 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: on that and sort of show the reds and you know, 343 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: follow the money, things like that, those are things that, like, 344 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: I see so much in my feed that I'm like, Okay, 345 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: I could spend a few minutes talking about We're going 346 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: to take. 347 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: A quick break and be right back on the Carol 348 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: Marcowitch Show. What do you worry about? 349 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: I do worry And this is going to sound ironic 350 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: from a like partisan political operative, but I do worry 351 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: about division because I grew up in the era of 352 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: you know, particularly after nine to eleven. For example, I 353 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: remember I didn't have a lot of Republican friends growing up. 354 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: President Bush was not popular, you know, among my friends 355 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: in high school, things like that. But after nine to eleven, 356 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: seeing people rally around the flag and feel really positive 357 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 4: about our country and the need to stand up for ourselves. 358 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: It's so interesting that when you look at events in 359 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: the last ten to fifteen years, we don't seem to 360 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: have that same unifying energy that sort of brings us 361 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 4: all together. We used to sort of have a code 362 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 4: that things division could only go so far. And I 363 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 4: just worry that, particularly, you know, from the old Ama 364 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: year's when we spent a lot of time. And I'm 365 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 4: trying not to dive too far into politics because I 366 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: think one thing that's really fun and fresh about your 367 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: show is it's not hyperpartisan, but it felt like politics 368 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 4: shifted from we disagree about ideas too. If you disagree 369 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 4: with me, you're trying to shove Granny off a cliff. 370 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: And I don't know that we've ever come back from that. 371 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 4: And I do think for a long time we tried 372 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: to sort of meander our way back to it. You know, 373 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: A Mitt Romney presidential candidate represented this idea that we 374 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 4: could go back to that where we were super respectful 375 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: of each other. But I think that what happened to 376 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 4: Mitt Romney was they still call them hitler and they 377 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 4: talked about how terrible of a person he was, even 378 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: though he was such a good guy, you know. Yeah, 379 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 4: And so that radicalized so many people to the point 380 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 4: where they're saying, Okay, we need a Donald Trump type person. 381 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 4: And I think that there's reason for that, you know, 382 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: and I think it makes a lot of sense. I 383 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 4: just don't know how we ever go back to where 384 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: and MSNBC segments at night are not calling us all 385 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: murderers and getting half the country to think that we're 386 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 4: so much more divided because if you look in the 387 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: halls of Congress, Republicans and Democrats actually get along a 388 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: lot better than you would find. Yeah, how do we 389 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: spread that and actually show that people are not as 390 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 4: sort of hateful towards each other as a lot of 391 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: the political discourse seems to feel, right, I. 392 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: Think when you're in the world, you get along far 393 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: better people on the opposite side, No question, it's actually 394 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: surprising to people that like activists on both sides. 395 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: Would get along well, or list or politicians or any 396 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 3: of that. But I also I think about, like, if 397 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: the internet was what it is today. 398 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: On nine to eleven, I think it would have been 399 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: not quite the easy, exactly right. 400 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: Post nine to eleven experience. I don't know that we 401 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: would have rallied around the flag quite quite like. 402 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: We did exactly right. Either. Social media and the media 403 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 4: have incentivized so much outrage and division that like that, 404 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 4: you know, that has so much to do with what's 405 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: shifted and changed us in this sort of rapid dopamine 406 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: hit that comes from dunking on somebody else whatever. I 407 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 4: think that, like the nine to eleven reaction would have 408 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 4: been completely different. The conspiracy theories that we've seen pop 409 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 4: up online later would have been immediate. We wouldn't have 410 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: had the sort of rally around the flag that we had. 411 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: So I do think that you're absolutely right, that's a 412 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: huge part of it. 413 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: There were conspiracy theories even back then, of course, but 414 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: they were spread in like books you had to read 415 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: a book about it, you know, or the websites. Right, 416 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: there were some, but it just wasn't quite what it 417 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: is now, which is somebody could say something crazy on 418 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: x and get you know, a million shares or whatever. 419 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it spreads a lot faster now. 420 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: Well, and it's so hard. I mean, there's the saying 421 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: that what is it alike and travel halfway around the 422 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 4: world before the truth get its shoes on. With social 423 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: media and the media, it's even so much faster that 424 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 4: being able to sort of put the toothpaste back in 425 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 4: the tube is now almost impossible, you know. And so 426 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 4: that's that's I think the challenge. 427 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, what advice would you give your sixteen year old self? 428 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: What a sixteen year old Matt need to know? 429 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 4: That's such a good question because I feel like sometimes 430 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: I think, you know, maybe I shouldn't have been as 431 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: stressed in high school about things like, you know, grades 432 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: and what I was studying, things like that. But I 433 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 4: also think that stress was really important because I needed 434 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: to get the education I got, I needed to get 435 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: into a good college and things like that. But I 436 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 4: do think when we look back on those formative years 437 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: and think about the things we learned that don't matter now, 438 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: For example, trigonometry whatever, when's the last time I used that, 439 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: it wasn't about learning trigonometry. It was about learning how 440 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: to learn, and it was about learning how your mind developed. 441 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: So I think that I would tell my sixteen year 442 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: old self, keep your head down, keep working through it, 443 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 4: because all of these things will play a role at 444 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 4: some point in your life, even if it's just conditioning 445 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: your mind to be able to sort of do things 446 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 4: later that are hard, or helping you think outside the box. 447 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 4: I think I would probably that's such weird advice, but 448 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 4: just you know, stay the course and remember that all 449 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: these things have some value. All of these experiences have 450 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: some value for you that you're going to lean on 451 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 4: at some point in your life. Because I think that 452 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: it's so easy to think back on those formative years again, 453 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 4: as I was saying, and think of parts that were 454 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 4: less relevant or that you were more worried about than 455 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 4: you should have been or more stressed about. But all 456 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 4: those are building blocks, right, All those are a part 457 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: of our development, and I think that that really is 458 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 4: so important. And so I'm grateful for the hard times 459 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, but also the really good 460 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 4: times that helped me sort of learn and grow and 461 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: learn how to build relationships and all of that. 462 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're never going to use trigonometry kids, never. No, No, 463 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: Actually I made myself figure out a percentage today, even 464 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: though I could have just googled what is this percentage? 465 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: Which is the other thing. 466 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: It's like, you have all this information and access to information, 467 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: we should still exercise your brain. So they exactly that 468 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: person walking around with you telling you the names of 469 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: everybody that you already know exactly. It's all one thing, like, yeah, 470 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: you might never use trigonometry, but there is some important 471 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: stuff you pick up along the way. 472 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: Stretch your brain, stretch your brain a little bit. I 473 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 4: think that's when I took the l SAT for example, 474 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: which again I didn't end up it and I didn't 475 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: end up going to law school, but there are exercises 476 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: that stretch your mind. And I was like, this is insane. 477 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: I've never thought this way, But I'm so glad that 478 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: I'm learning how to do this. And I do feel 479 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 4: like I should clarify. I never took trickon on my treat. 480 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 4: I think I stopped math. I think I stopped making 481 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 4: a like algebra two, just trying to make a smart 482 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 4: word math person. I never did in mouth. 483 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I took the outside. 484 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: I did pretty well. I like puzzles, you know, all 485 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: of that was it was okay. 486 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not a I'm a I'm even like. 487 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: Today, I count on my fingers like I am not 488 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: a math. 489 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 4: My god, my wife makes fun of me. I count 490 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: on my fingers when I'm like doing like you know, 491 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: ten twenty thirty, fifteen, thirty, forty five, sixty. But she 492 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: thinks I'm kinding like one two, three, four five, like 493 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: I'm moron, And I'm like, oh no, these are big numbers. 494 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: These are like giant times tables. This is smart, but yeah, 495 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't look smart one two five, Right, I. 496 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: Kind of wish I didn't count the little. 497 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: No judgement here whatever, I'm. 498 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: A words person. I'm not me too, you know that's 499 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: a very different mindset. 500 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: Yes, no question, all right, well this is so much fun. 501 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and us here with your best tip for my 502 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: listeners on how they can improve their lives. 503 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: My best tip for how you can improve your lives 504 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 4: is figure out how to shut out the noise in 505 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: certain moments. Figure out how to unplug from things. Figure 506 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 4: out how to put politics away, turn off Twitter, whatever 507 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: for certain amounts of time so that you can actually 508 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: enjoy other things. I find that I enjoy the news 509 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 4: and politics so much more when I've taken some time 510 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 4: away from it so I can come back with fresh eyes. 511 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: It's hard. It's hard, honestly, especially in these Trump years, 512 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: when there's so much news all the time. He's doing 513 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 4: so many things. The media is up in arms all 514 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 4: the time. But I remember when I got married, I 515 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 4: went on, like in twenty eighteen, I went on my 516 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: honeymoon and like put my phone away, and I thought, 517 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, it's the early Trump years. I'm a 518 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: Senate communications director. I'm gonna miss so many things. I 519 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: missed a million things, but then there are a million 520 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 4: more things that came so I didn't matter. You know, 521 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: so unplugged, you're not going to miss anything that you can't, 522 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 4: you know, pick back up on when you need to. 523 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: But it makes it so much better to enjoy your family, 524 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: your life and other things and then come back to 525 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 4: it with fresh eyes. 526 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 2: I love that I unplug for like my vacations with 527 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: my family and I take X off my phone and yeah, 528 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: you miss a news cycle and you sometimes come back 529 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: and you're like, wait, Nikki Haley said. 530 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: This good, you know, like wait, yes, catch heay, So. 531 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: What you missed it? It's gone. 532 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: It's well fill space within ten seconds exactly. 533 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: You got the time with your family and that you 534 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: can never get back. 535 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Matt. He's the host of the 536 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: Ten Minute Jill Podcast. Check it out. Matt Whitlock, thank 537 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: you so much for coming on. 538 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 4: Thank you really appreciate it. 539 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marko 540 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: Witch Show. 541 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.