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Speaker 2: Oh Watching, Yeah, which we just did a rewatch of

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you need something you've seen before, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Imagine imagine asking Kendall Roy, what do we owe to

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Speaker 2: I imagine asking Roman Roy Kendall get a real crazy answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, all right, we're alienating everyone who doesn't watch Succession.

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Speaker 2: or leading into this episode is so true. Basically organized crime.

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Speaker 1: Basically organized crime, that's right. Whether it's like you know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about al Scarface Capone, Like, I don't need

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Speaker 1: gangsters in US history. This guy made a fortune in bootlegging, racketeering, bribery, murder,

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Speaker 1: Many adjectives could be used to describe al Capone. But

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Speaker 1: And you can just go watch The Untouchables if you

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Speaker 1: it's ridiculous romance. We're gonna talk about al Capone and

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Speaker 1: the sexy details in the life of Public Enemy number one.

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Speaker 2: Let's go your Moook's Hey, their friends come listen. Well,

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Speaker 2: Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no

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Speaker 1: A production of iHeartRadio January seventeenth, eighteen ninety nine, in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: Mean, he's phenomenal, he's amazing. But Max Casella opens that

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Speaker 2: All the newsies were echoing through this.

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Speaker 1: But as a teen, al Capone himself was actually more brutish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like this guy, this sky will fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he stood up to me. He slashed my face.

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Speaker 1: Al Capone also loved to have a good time. The

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Speaker 1: Well. Ow, you know. He had his own kind of

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Speaker 1: Please stop dying.

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Speaker 2: Your simplism't so like you're supposed to be getting killed

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it was.

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Speaker 2: They were like, here's you know, to acclimate. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 2: Al's parents even approached Doozie's about formal marriage negotiation. Okay,

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Speaker 2: had three problems with their little girl getting hitched to

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure logical.

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Speaker 2: only thirteen. Oh, we have some Jerry Lee Lewis vibes coming.

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Speaker 1: In here, Like oooh, that's uncomfortable, not cute, especially for

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Speaker 2: You know, right, one's a little too much of a

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Speaker 1: So Alan Susie parted ways. And side note, according to

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Speaker 1: Maybe at least he was around her age.

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Speaker 2: hood little zoozie, at least find one year own age

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Speaker 1: We'll take it. But now Al was turning nineteen and

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Speaker 1: I need someone who doesn't know nothing about me so

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Speaker 2: So because these neighborhoods bordered each other, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Interesting too, Irish people not being seen as white because

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Speaker 2: But surprisingly, given all of this you know, stupid weirdness

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, young Irish women at this time actually had

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Speaker 1: of nineteen eighteen World War One. And we'll find out

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Speaker 2: This welcome back, your lousy headcrack.

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Speaker 1: Of oh very nice. Well, al Capone is dating May,

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Speaker 1: thought that it had cleared up, so probably no point

434
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: in even mentioning it. She got pregnant in early nineteen

435
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: eight and Bergreen says that just the fact that these

436
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: two very Catholic teenagers didn't get married right away probably

437
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: points to some great rift between them at the time.

438
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: Logically they would have gotten pregnant and immediately started making

439
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: wedding plans, but maybe they really didn't want to get

440
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: married then. But in September of nineteen eighteen, Al had

441
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: to go and register for the draft for World War One.

442
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: In total, during the Great War, two point eight million

443
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: American boys and men were drafted, and Al Capone almost

444
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: certainly would have been among them. But he knew that

445
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: if he were married and raising a child of his own,

446
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: he was way less likely to get drafted and sent overseas.

447
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh well, in December, May gave birth to a baby

448
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: boy named Albert Francis Capone, who everyone called Sonny. So

449
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: his godfather was Al's mentor, the racketeer Johnny Torrio. And

450
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: while Sonny was healthy at birth, he grew up very

451
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: prone to infections. He also started to lose his hearing

452
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: around ten years old, and as it turns out, that

453
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: was a known result even at the time of a

454
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: child being born with congenital syphilis, So it seems really

455
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 2: likely that Al passed his syphilis to May unknowingly and

456
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: then on to their child. Okay, syphilis also reeks havoc

457
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: on pregnancies, and that's likely why Al and May, despite

458
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: being from large Catholic families who probably were super into

459
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: begat Bigat, began as many kids as you can, never

460
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: had any other children, yea, the one.

461
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know this, but the authors suggest that

462
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: it's likely there were miscarriages and failed pregnancies, you know,

463
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: various situations.

464
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she has this infection now.

465
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or that Al was sterile regardless either way,

466
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: Yet it would have been very hard, but it's kind of,

467
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: you know, miraculous in a way that they had Sonny

468
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: to begin with. Well, either way. After Sonny was born

469
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: and May recovered from childbirth, they wanted to get married

470
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: as quickly as they could, so they applied for a license.

471
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: But they lied all over these four even though Al

472
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: was nineteen and May was twenty one, they both listed

473
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: their ages as twenty. Al said his occupation was paper cutter,

474
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: which was apparently a pretty respectable job at the time,

475
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: and they skipped the blood test by using a special

476
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: marriage license that just said on it quote I have

477
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: not to my knowledge been infected with any even aial disease,

478
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: or if I have been infected within five years, I

479
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: have a laboratory test which shows that I am now

480
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: free from my infection. And they just signed that.

481
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: But you didn't have so many sages.

482
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: I was like, well as signatures, as long as your

483
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: word as your bond. If they had taken a blood test,

484
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: Al likely would have known his condition now. Because of

485
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: their out of wedlocked child, they had been a little

486
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: ostracized from their families. But fortunately, since May was over eighteen,

487
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: just twenty one, she was legally an adult, so she

488
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: legally didn't need her parents' permission to get married. But

489
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: the law at the time said men were not legally

490
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: adults until twenty one. Women eighteen men twenty one super weird,

491
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: especially since you could get drafted at eighteen for real right,

492
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: and so back then Al would need his parents' permission

493
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: to get married since he even lying, he only said

494
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: twenty right, So fortunately his parents did give him permission. May's, however,

495
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: might not have had she not been able to do

496
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: it without it. And on December thirtieth of nineteen eighteen,

497
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: Alan May had their ceremony at the beautiful Saint Mary

498
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: Star of the Sea church, which was where May's family

499
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: attended in Brooklyn, and I looked on Google Maps to

500
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: see if it's still there today and where it was described.

501
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: Down near the docks in Brooklyn, there is a church

502
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: called Saint Mary Star of the Sea and I think

503
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: that's the same one. But you know, surprisingly they don't

504
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: advertise on their website this is where al Capone got married,

505
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: so I guess it's not a selling point for we

506
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: don't want.

507
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: To be on the double decker bus tour. Okay, this

508
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: is a sacred place. Well. Despite the beautiful surroundings, the

509
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: wedding was a little awkward. Both sets of parents were present,

510
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: likely staring daggers at one another. The Coughlins were probably

511
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: not thrilled about their daughter marrying this Italian kid who

512
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: like knocked her up at a wedlock, but they were

513
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: likely believed that they were at least getting married he

514
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: was making an honest woman out of her. The Capones

515
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: probably wished that Al had married an Italian girl. Italian

516
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: families had an ingrained sense of campanalismo, which is a

517
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: word that describes this kind of dedication to your cultural

518
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: identity and history, the feeling about being around your own people,

519
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: in your own neighborhood and right keeping that going rather

520
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: than like reaching out to others.

521
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Of those cultural words that like don't have a direct translation.

522
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: It's just like I can't explain it to you. It's

523
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: that kind of Yeah, what was the one on ted

524
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Lasso night or Dutch? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: Holtspar So it was something. Yeah, it's not that, but

526
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: it was something like that.

527
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: I didn't tell us your cultural word that doesn't have

528
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: a direct translation, that means something you can't explain.

529
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they try to explain it, yea to us.

530
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: So what it means? So the Capone still spoke Italian

531
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: at home, for example, May of course didn't so she

532
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: often could not understand them, and she had a hard

533
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: time learning to cook like an Italian wife, which would

534
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: be real hard.

535
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: That's really hard.

536
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: Now, the expectations of an Italian wife's abilities in the

537
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: kitchen higher than an Irish in the kitchen.

538
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: I've said it before, but my my Italian grandmother one

539
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: of the finest cooks in this country. You know, it's

540
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: very good. There's some stereotypes are true an Italian woman's

541
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: cooking oh man, there's nothing so good.

542
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: But Al was devoted to her. He's like, Alia, your

543
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: potatoes or whatever, potatoes again?

544
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Huh well, right, I guess I love you, honey.

545
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: At least there's no famine, you know. But he decided

546
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: that now he was a husband and father, he had

547
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: to give up his criminal ways. It was time for

548
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: a real career, time for him to become al capone,

549
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: honest businessman.

550
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Yes, as we know him today, that's right.

551
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: As we have the trading card, the honest businessman trading cards.

552
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, he said, first things first, I gotta get out

553
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn. Not that much trouble here. So he moved

554
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: his family to Baltimore, famed city of no.

555
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: Trouble, famously untroubled.

556
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually there he worked as a bookkeeper for

557
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: a legitimate construction firm run by Peter Ayelo. He wore

558
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: a suit and tie to work every day. He got sober,

559
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: He got really good at his job, and he started

560
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: to show real skill in accounting and for business in general.

561
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: And apparently he is pretty happy being this respectable hard worker.

562
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: He earned the respect of his coworkers, his bosses, and

563
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: very importantly, his parents. But in nineteen twenty, Al's father

564
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: died suddenly of a heart attack. Or Green rights that

565
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: this quote marked the end of Al's legitimate career. Maybe

566
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: it was the shock of the loss that changed him,

567
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: you know. He might have just been depressed and wanted

568
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: to fall back into something familiar. Maybe he didn't feel

569
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: like he had to prove anything to anyone anymore, Like

570
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: he'd think his dad was the one he was working

571
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: so hard for and how it didn't matter. Or it

572
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: might have been that when he went back to New

573
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: York City for his father's funeral, he bumped into his

574
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: old mentor, Johnny Torrio. Johnny wasn't living in Brooklyn anymore either,

575
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: and he told Capone, hate pal, you want to make

576
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: some real money. Huh, you'd tie it of being a

577
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: two bit nickel scuff on a shoe, Shine's buff rag.

578
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: You want? You want to be the hottest banana and

579
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the bunch, the Donkey's Derby, the Fiddler's briefcase. Ah, and

580
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: you got to come with me to the most magical

581
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: city in the world, shit Gogo.

582
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: The second city a U. I don't know if who

583
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: wants to be a hot banana?

584
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to be a hot banana.

585
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Oh okay, excuse me. Apparently we all want to be

586
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: hot banana.

587
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: Well this was in nineteen twenty and you know what

589
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: else happened in nineteen twenty Prohibition. Oh, so the gangs were,

590
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: of course all seeing a new way to make a

591
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: ton of money. So in nineteen twenty one, Al told

592
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: his boss Peter A Yellow, that he was leaving Baltimore,

593
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: and Peter's like, well, sort of, su go, but here's

594
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. I wish you Well, that's nice. I

595
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: wish more bosses to that.

596
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: I what can you imagine quitting a job and your

597
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: boss is like, well, here's some money. Oh my god,

598
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: just out of the kindness of my heart. I know.

599
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Businesses now are like, you give me five hundred job.

600
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's a contract termination fee, I know.

601
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Right. So Al moved to Chicago and he started working

602
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: for Johnny as a bouncer may and Sonny did not

603
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: move to join him until nineteen twenty three. So they're

604
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: separated for a hot minute here. And as Johnny Torio

605
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: rose in the ranks, so did Al Capone. Johnny Torio

606
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: had been working for Big Jim Colossimo's gang. Oh and

607
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: he's really pushing Colossimo to get into bootlegging. You know,

608
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: He's like this, well, the money is you want to

609
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: be the hottest Banano, you gotta get the hottest top

610
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: budge or whatever. You gotta get the whipped cream man.

611
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

612
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: But Colossimo refused to do it. He's like, I ain't

613
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: trying to get that heat. I don't want to be

614
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: hot Banana, want to be cold. But right, so Johnny got

615
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: with his padawan al Capone, and he's like, hey, will

616
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: you call in a favor back in New York. It's

617
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: your old friend and boss, Frankie Yale. Remember Frankie, we

618
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: talked about him earlier. And then Johnny told Colossimo, you know, hey,

619
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: go check on a ship tonight your restaurant. But when

620
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: he arrived, Johnny was not there. Instead, Frankie Yale was there.

621
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: He had traveled from New York to Chicago, and he

622
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: ambushed and assassinated Colossimo himself. Police suspected Frankie Yale of this,

623
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: but they never charged him, and some people suspected that

624
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: al Capone was actually the gunman. So at any rate,

625
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: it was just this whole gang on gang violence kind

626
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: of situation.

627
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, take out me calling, let me call in a

628
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: tough guy to come and you know, kind of a

629
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: neutral assassin, right to come in and take this guy out.

630
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, Frank Yell at the time, he's he's he's

631
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: he's a hot banana in New York. But but at

632
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: the same time, like a lot of these guys, you know,

633
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: they had to do their own dirty work. Sure right,

634
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't They weren't so big at this time that

635
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: they're just like, let me just let me go out

636
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: of the park and pick somebody out and say, hey,

637
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: I want him, I want him to disappear, you know,

638
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: wink wink. Right, It's like, no, I got to go

639
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: shoot this guy myself.

640
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: So well, look, people talk, you know sometimes the dirty

641
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: ist shit you probably did want to do yourself, because

642
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell him myself.

643
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: And if you want a job done right yourself. How

644
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: many times if Frank Yale sent someone out and he

645
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: came back, Hey, boss, you know what you know the

646
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: guy you told me killed? Well, we're best friends now

647
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I am h you know, and we're gonna open the

648
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: ice cream shop together.

649
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Actually, now I got two people to kill and an

650
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: ice cream shop to take over.

651
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: You got butter pecan listen.

652
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: If you don't have hot bananas at this ice cream shop,

653
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna do.

654
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Hot bananas ice cream. I'm just like, I.

655
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: Really don't understand hot bananas.

656
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's like bananas foster.

657
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: I guess I've never had a bananas foster so delicious.

658
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Look, there's there is. There are times where a banana

659
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: can be hot and it's okay. But if you were

660
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: just to go grab a banana, no, you would not want.

661
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: It to be hot.

662
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: I guess you don't throw your bananas in the microwave

663
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: before you eat them.

664
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we make banana pudding, not banana cobbler.

665
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: All right, Banana cobbler A okay. I'm so sorry that

666
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: I said it now because I feel like you're gonna

667
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: try it. If someone wants to make a banana cobbler

668
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: and tell them that I'm wrong and it's amazing, I

669
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: won't hear you out very least.

670
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna google it and see if there's a recipe.

671
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: I'll hear you out.

672
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: All right.

673
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: I might not try it, that's all I'll say.

674
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Well, whether Frankie Yale killed Colossimo or al Capone. Either way,

675
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: Al definitely benefited because Johnny took over the gag.

676
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Of course, and get him into bootlegging.

677
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Al was his right hand man. And this

678
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: is around when May and Sonny moved to Chicago to

679
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: join him. Also, Al's widowed mother and younger sister were

680
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: depending on him to survive because Al had far surpassed

681
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: his older brother's ability to care for them.

682
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh he's just a salesman, right, Yeah.

683
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: So soon his whole family had left their Italian Brooklyn

684
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: neighborhood and moved to Chicago. Now, unfortunately, it's at this

685
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: point that we don't really know too much about what

686
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: was going on with May Capone, and this is partly

687
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: because mobsters aggressively kept their family lives separate from the business.

688
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: But the vintagenews dot Com says that May was fully

689
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: aware of Al's racketeering and bootlegging, and she would actually

690
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: stay up late cooking food for him and his cronies

691
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: when they got back from you know, whatever murder spree

692
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: they were on when.

693
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: They got back from you know, the ice cream show.

694
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but from the banana factory. So there's really just

695
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: no doubt that she certainly overheard plenty about the business,

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: but she really loved Al and she never said a

697
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: word about it to anyone.

698
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: Al truly loved May as well, but he was also

699
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: starting to be pretty unfaithful. So he's kind of diving

700
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: into this life of excess and rule breaking with Johnny Torio,

701
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: and he took quite a few mistresses and all of

702
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: them had blonde hair. Now Al's about twenty one, He's

703
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: seeing this blonde girl who was only fifteen years old.

704
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Gross when May allegedly had enough. You know, she's like

705
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: bootlegging and murda that I can forgive, but I draw

706
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: the line at adult. So instead of confronting him directly, May,

707
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: a lifelong brunette, bleached her hair blonde, which is basically

708
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: kind of a big I know about the girls, Al.

709
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: And a statement one of those old remember when you

710
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: could just like like wear a brooch and it was

711
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: like a devastating burn to someone, right, or like.

712
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: The language of Flowers, where you like, I'll get you

713
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: a violet and you may as well kill yourself, you know,

714
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: like weird.

715
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking about House of the Dragon when that

716
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: girl showed up in a green dress, and everyone was like,

717
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, the statement. And I'm like, I just don't.

718
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't have the observational abilities for these kinds of things.

719
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Like May would dye her hair blonde and it'd be

720
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: three days before I was like, wait a minute.

721
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: Oh man, did you change your hair? Did you do

722
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: something with your hair? The green thing, the green dress thing,

723
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: was especially weird because I was like, what if you

724
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: just look good in that color? She just looked like

725
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: she should wear green.

726
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm not clocking that she's never worn green before, you

727
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like totally, but it was different times, but.

728
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: It meant something back then. And apparently this really embarrassed

729
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: al Capone in front of his whole family, that she

730
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: dyed her hair blindeye everybody. They knew why. Now he

731
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: could not find any clear info about whether this ended

732
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: his affairs, but it's probably not likely, right, I mean,

733
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: he's not going to let a bottle of bleach stop

734
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: him for whatever he's doing.

735
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, like y'all know that the al Capone story

736
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: is huge, There's so much to tell, but we are

737
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: going to try and stay focused on his love life

738
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: and you know, and limit ourselves to the specific crimes

739
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: around that. So stay tuned. We're going to take a

740
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: quick break and we will talk more about his son,

741
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: his marriage, and how he actually tried to retire from

742
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: the Mob to spend more time with them right after this.

743
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.

744
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: So, even with al Capone's whole family living in Chicago

745
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: right now, they all still loved their roots in Brooklyn,

746
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: and they would go back and visit their Italian neighborhood frequently.

747
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: When his mother went back to their old neighborhood, Frankie

748
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: Yale or Lucky Luciano would meet her at the train

749
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: station with a bulletproof Cadillac along with a personal chauffeur

750
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: and bodyguard. And I love this idea of like, you know,

751
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: some some big tough thug being like write this way,

752
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: missus Cabone. We had beat ahead. Here's a bouquet of flowers,

753
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: and if anybody looks at you twice, I'll rip their

754
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: face off with my bare min's. You know.

755
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: It's such a nice boy, right, yeah, exactly, Oh Lucky,

756
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: you're such a nice boy.

757
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Am I feeding you boys? Like she makes ninety.

758
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: She like takes over their kitchen.

759
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: But the next time that al and make upon would

760
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: go to Brooklyn was for a medical emergency for Sonny.

761
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: This poor kid was suffering from illnesses all the time,

762
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: but now he was dealing with a deep mastoid infection

763
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: in his ear. And the mast to oid bone is

764
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: right behind the ear. It's kind of got this honeycomb

765
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: like structure inside, so it's full of airy pockets. It's

766
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: just one of those very light bones, right, and it's

767
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: kind of meaty, and infections can happen, and they can

768
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: be really serious. Doctors in Chicago told Al that the

769
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: surgery would leave Sonny permanently deaf. So Al started looking

770
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: around trying to get a second opinion, and he talked

771
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: to some people in New York and found a specialist

772
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: there who said that he could you know, that gave

773
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: him a more promising prognosis than that. So Al told him,

774
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I give you one hundred thousand dollars if you fix

775
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: my boy. Now, the surgeon was a little smarter than that,

776
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: and he took his customary fee of one thousand dollars

777
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: because he's like, I'm not taking one hundred thousand dollars

778
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: from al capone. A that's already probably a bad idea,

779
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: and be what if I can't do it, then you're

780
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna like break my knees for taking your money. You know.

781
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: That'll be fine. I'll just do it for the standard rate. Now.

782
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: The surgery was successful in so much that they removed

783
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: the infection and Sonny did not go completely deaf, but

784
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: he was left partially deaf for the rest of his life.

785
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Now, of course, people tried to kill both Johnny Torio

786
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: and al Capone a few times, more than one.

787
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Right on a standard practice, and after.

788
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: One particularly close call where he survived several gunshot wounds,

789
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: Johnny Torrio decided it is time to hang it up

790
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: and retire.

791
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Right.

792
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I might be getting a little too old

793
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: to be shot at.

794
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this when you get that lucky, You're like,

795
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get that ony very true.

796
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, you know, lightning, lightning will strike me

797
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: next time.

798
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: Huh.

799
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: So he gave total control of the Chicago Gang to

800
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: al Capone. He said, quote, it's all yours, al me.

801
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm quitting. It's Europe for me.

802
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh.

803
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going off to Europe, Yeah, which I

804
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: would love to retire to.

805
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: Ye, sounds great.

806
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: I kind of get it. Johnny, Me and Johnny same, same,

807
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: exactly the same retire to Italy. So he left Capone

808
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: with an organization that was pulling in about seventy million

809
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: dollars a year, which today is worth Oh wow, well

810
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: it's worth one point two billion dollars today.

811
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Geez our translation calculator could not handle that inflation rate

812
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: was too much.

813
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: Oh geez, so wild, that's that is, I mean crazy

814
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: money at the time. I mean even today that would

815
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: be incredible. Like yeah, So Toriel moved to Italy to

816
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: work with the mob there, so he was retiring from

817
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: Chicago rather than from organized I'm.

818
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Gonna go take it easy and join the mob in Italy.

819
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to be the center of

820
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: attention in one of the most violent cities in the world.

821
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I'd rather go hang at

822
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: the Blue.

823
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: Grotto, right, yeah. Whatever.

824
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: But in nineteen twenty eight, Mussolini started cracking down on

825
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: the Italian mafia. So Johnny came marching back home to

826
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: New York and he got right back into bootlegging and

827
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: New York. But this time he helped organize the Big Seven.

828
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: This is basically like the Avengers of East Coast mobster. Right,

829
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: they're like, let's stop fighting each other and start working together.

830
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: Let's organize our organized crime even more.

831
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: Probably the same level of snark between them. You know,

832
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: a lot of egos in one room, but they know

833
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: they all got to work together to stop the big

834
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: skylaser from destroying the earth.

835
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: Well, Johnny Torio, Lucky Luciano, and others met in Atlantic

836
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: City in nineteen twenty nine and they formed the National

837
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: Crime Syndicate to prevent wars between gangs, right, because they're like,

838
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: we're spending too much time on each other. It needs

839
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: to be like united Front. Get all these other folks

840
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: that are trying to start their own shit. No, we

841
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: want to concentrate all the protection, all the alcohol, all

842
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: the shit in our hands and make as much money

843
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: as possible.

844
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Interesting to see how that evolved from like, you know,

845
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: back when what was his name, Paul Kelly, we talked

846
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: about in the first part, where you know, he was like,

847
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: we can't just be walking around punching people in the

848
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: face until we get we want, shooting people until we

849
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: really want we got. We gotta come to the table

850
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: and negotiate and glad hand and suck up and offer things.

851
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: And now it's this too. It's like, we can't just

852
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: keep shooting each other. Let's see what we can solve

853
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: at the table.

854
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: I think. So the veneer of respectability was more profitable. Yeah,

855
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: because they were able, as you're saying, to go hang

856
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: out with politicians and like glad hand with cops and

857
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: stuff like, if you're not out here looking crazy and

858
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: shooting people and punching people, you can get away with

859
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: a lot of shit.

860
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: They somebody got out the calculator and they said, how

861
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: much am I spending a year all this ammunition and

862
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: guns patent pooled? Yeah? Right, So if you're out there

863
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: and you're organizing crime, you know, consider this a lesson.

864
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: You know, see what you can do in the boardroom.

865
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's cut down on the gun violence and crime.

866
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, which again if you and then if speaking of boardrooms,

867
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: you continue to follow the evolution of crime, and now

868
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: it's literally in boardrooms succession like we were talking.

869
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: About, yeah, very very much so. And legal crime.

870
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Well oh jeez, so look at the time, we are

871
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: really getting sucked into this story. There's so much. So

872
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: next up, we'll just say that al Capone did some

873
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: very bad things.

874
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: A nice blanket statement about a bunch.

875
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Of crimes happened. You can read all about him. Go

876
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: watch The Untouchables, you know, watch al Capone movies. A

877
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened here. That was a lot of

878
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: shooting and gang wars and turf wars between uh New

879
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: York and Chicago and everything like that. And he really

880
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: was notorious at the time, Like everybody knew al Capone

881
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: was the head of the mob in Chicago. He just

882
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: owned too much. The police or theyd have They had

883
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: a hard time literally finding him very often, or it

884
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: was he was too well protected, so he just wasn't

885
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: getting arrested, or you know, evidence issues, all these things

886
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: that mobsters use. But at one point he did try

887
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: to move to Los Angeles. Things were a little too

888
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: hot in Chicago, and when he showed up, thinking that

889
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: he would be welcomed to the city with open arms,

890
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: the lap police chief told him, you got twelve hours

891
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: to get the hell out of town. We don't want

892
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: al Capone coming to Los Angeles. And at the same time,

893
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: while he was in LA the Chicago police chief said

894
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: that if al came back to Chicago, he would arrest

895
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: him on the spot and he's actually put all the

896
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: mobsters under house arrest. He posted police outside of every

897
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: mobster's known home and was like, you can't leave, and

898
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: if Capone comes in, We're going to arrest him.

899
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

900
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: OK. Well. At this point, May his wife broke her silence,

901
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: and she did an interview with the Chicago Herald and Examiner,

902
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: hoping to get some sympathy for her husband, if for

903
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: nothing else than for the sake of their nine year

904
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: old boys, Sonny. She said in this interview how Sonny

905
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: would come home from school every day in tears because

906
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: his classmates bullied him so badly about his dad being

907
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: all over the news for being a criminal. She said, quote,

908
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: it's not fair. It's more than he can stand. He's

909
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: broken hearted and he can't understand it. I'm a true

910
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: mother and I suffer with him. Can't something be done?

911
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: But when the Harald printed the interview, the headline read

912
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: quote Capone's son finds sins of father, heavy mother, Please

913
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: for lad victim of schoolmates torment and burg Green writes

914
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: that it really had the opposite effect of what she wanted,

915
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: because it just made people think worse of al Capone

916
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 2: for putting this poor kid in like a shitty situation

917
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: in the first place, right, right, Feel like if he

918
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: wasn't like that, he wouldn't get bullied. Pro solve sounds

919
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: like the prim's in your house, honey, Right.

920
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: No, one's like, oh, we shouldn't be so mean to

921
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: al Capone his kids getting teased.

922
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: You know, like she should have maybe seen that one coming. Yeah,

923
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: Like May, the call's coming from inside the house. The

924
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: problem is there, not here.

925
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: Well.

926
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: Obviously al Capone managed to avoid arrest at this point,

927
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: but the family moved to a rentfered palatial estate in

928
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: Miami where Al hoped he could enter. You know, it's

929
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: sort of a studo retirement like Johnny Choreo had done,

930
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: where he was not like in the day to day,

931
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, getting his hands as dirty so much in

932
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: the news and so on. But he was still involved.

933
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: You know, he's still get in his beak wet yep. Well,

934
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: once they were in Miami, May went full rich lady.

935
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: She bought all this like ornate, gaudy, ridiculous decor, Like

936
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: they had golden spice jars and ivory miniatures and silver

937
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: trays and marble busts and four big metal elephants. Sure,

938
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, she's just at this point going to stores,

939
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: going I got money, what you got to buy? I

940
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: don't really care if I like it or if anyone

941
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: likes it.

942
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna if it looks expensive I wanted in

943
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: my house exactly.

944
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the first home that was really hers

945
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: to manage, and Burgreen writes, quote devoid of taste, freaking

946
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: of money. This was exactly the kind of opulent decor

947
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: that the wife of any newly rich magnate might be

948
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: expected to purchase. Okay, so that's interesting.

949
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see. I mean, you know, people who

950
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: suddenly become wealthy kind of have a different and I

951
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: think you sort of have a different idea of how

952
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: to show it, right.

953
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: I think, Actually funnily this comes up with succession a

954
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: lot about how they dress and stuff, like the choices

955
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: made about their costuming, and they don't you know, they're

956
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: not ostentatious. Shiv is not out here ran a ton

957
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: of jewels and the ripping and emeralds and stuff. It's

958
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: just the cut and the fabric. You know that you're

959
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: like this, this is a expensive and brand name. It's expensive.

960
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: It looks expensive, but it's not ostentatious. That's not really

961
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: the same thing. So there is this funny like new

962
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: money old money thing where like old money for some

963
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: reason has more taste because it's not gaudy, which I

964
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: kind of agree, like, I find I find some people

965
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: very tacky, and when they go overboard and they want

966
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: everything gold washed or something, it's very kind of not

967
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: attractive to me. But on the other hand, it is

968
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: a little snobbish to be like, well, if you have

969
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: chair isn't five hundred years old, it may as well

970
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: be in the dump stall.

971
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: I know.

972
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: It's sort of like and.

973
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: There's this other thing to wwards, like you're supposed to

974
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: hire a designer who makes your home into what rich

975
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: people's homes look like right now, you know, and not

976
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: just go off on your own and just buy things.

977
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm speaking on a subject I know

978
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: nothing about, which is having money.

979
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think too, there's something about it where you're

980
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: trying to prove that you belong. You know, even with

981
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 2: May she might not have had any taste. That's entirely possible.

982
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: Well she might have also been like, I'm in this

983
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: area where people know who that I'm a capone and

984
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: they know where my money came from, and so I

985
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: have to You can either shrink from that, or you

986
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: can be like, well then if you.

987
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: Look at it, yeah, I look at that too, Or

988
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: she came from a family in New York who like,

989
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: for intents and purposes, we're doing quite well. Like you know,

990
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: he was a construction guy and he made good money,

991
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: and they had a respectable home in a small Irish

992
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: neighborhood in Brooklyn. They weren't rich, but you could just

993
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: be fine. And that was good back then, and but

994
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: it certainly also was faced with well, we can't afford that,

995
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: or I can't buy that, or even if you want something,

996
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can just have it. And then

997
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: I know, for me, switching lifestyles like that into well

998
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: now you can even in my sort of mini version

999
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: of that between like I'm waiting tables and I have

1000
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: a salary job at different times in my life, you

1001
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: spend differently, Oh sure, just because you can, Like I

1002
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: actually can go out to dinner without thinking about it tonight,

1003
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: like that was mine for May. It's like I can

1004
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: actually buy these four metal elephants without thinking about it.

1005
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: So I'm papa, let me do it.

1006
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: So she's, you know, walking around dropping thousand dollars bills

1007
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: at every shop, you know, trying to rehabilitate the family image.

1008
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1009
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: Sure, and Burgreen writes quote to the extent that respectability

1010
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: could be bought. May did so, and she paid for

1011
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: it in cash.

1012
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. And now, while May was obsessed with decorating, I

1013
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: was kind of doing the same thing, except his whole

1014
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: thing was closed shopping. He he also, we'll get into

1015
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: this later, but he also bought food. This is where

1016
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: the man started to eat, and their grocery bill was

1017
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: astronomical apparently wow, and that would come back to bite

1018
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: him in the ass later. So, but his clothes shopping

1019
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: was his main thing at this time, and this was

1020
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: a similar effort to get more people to like him.

1021
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: It was just like ingratiating himself with the locals in Miami. Right.

1022
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: He went down to a shop called the Sewell Brothers

1023
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: one day and he bought over a thousand dollars worth

1024
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: of clothes. And while he was there, one of the

1025
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Sewels noticed that Al had brought out this big diamond

1026
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: studded belt that he picked out and it wasn't going

1027
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: with the outfit that he'd picked again, not you don't

1028
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: have taste just because you have money, right, right, And

1029
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: so Sewell comes over and he's like, hang on, sir,

1030
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: let me go find you a better belt. Yeah, and

1031
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: he comes back with a very nice belt, matches his

1032
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: outfit perfectly. And he's also he got one hundred dollars

1033
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: Panama hat and he placed this on Capone's head and

1034
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: he sort of tilted it down over the side to

1035
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: cover the scar on Al's face, and he told him, quote,

1036
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: this is a gift from me to you, and the

1037
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: belt too. Now, Capone, over the recent years, he'd become

1038
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: increasingly sensitive and defensive about his scar. He wouldn't talk

1039
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: about it. He got mad if people pointed it out.

1040
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: And so this guy gave him this hat and like

1041
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: covers his scar with it. Al Capone reached out his

1042
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: hand to Suwell and he said, quote, let me shake

1043
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: your hand. This is the first time anybody ever gave

1044
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: me anything. So he was just so touched by this,

1045
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, it was just what

1046
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: he was looking for, like really ingratiating himself.

1047
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: And his iconic look. Of course he always has ACTI

1048
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: and then that became a real thing. Pretty cool.

1049
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, now that you mentioned it, that was an

1050
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: interview with Sewell, so maybe Sewell was trying to take

1051
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: credit for al Capone's signature.

1052
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: Look Al was like, I picked that Panama hat, thank

1053
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: you very much.

1054
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: Speculation Station made that shit up and make themselves sound good.

1055
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: He's like, let me get some money off of this

1056
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: for getting caution.

1057
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I gave Charlie Chaplin his bowler and mustache.

1058
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I told him, you know what's funny suspenders.

1059
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: But well, of course al Capone's a quote unquote retirement

1060
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: could not really last. You know, the minute I think

1061
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm out, they pulled me back. That's a stereotype for

1062
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: a reason. It turned out to be way more stressful

1063
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: than he thought also to be retired, because he was

1064
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: still involved with operations in Chicago and now he's getting

1065
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: involved with criminals and politicians in Miami. So he's got

1066
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: two fronts to like play off. But unlike in Chicago,

1067
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: where Al could keep his personal and crime lives very separate,

1068
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: in Miami he had to run some of his business

1069
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: right out of his house. May did not love that

1070
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: because there's these big, huge bodyguards around them all the time.

1071
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: They be like loose guns strewn about on her fancy

1072
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: furniture and statue. She's like, I bought this elephant for beauty.

1073
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: This is an original bott A Shelley who left their

1074
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: Tommy gun on top of this painting.

1075
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: And when they went out to local restaurants, it was

1076
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: like the secret service of the criminal underworld was all

1077
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: around them. One of Al's main thugs carried around a

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00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: large bass fiddle case which inside had a set of

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: gold rimmed plates that Al preferred to eat off of,

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00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: as well as a bunch of machine guns, you know,

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00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: just in case, which I'm laughing at the idea of

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00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: this case, just like rattling around like machine guns and plates,

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00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: just like banging up. Were they like shattered.

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: To put some foam in there or something.

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00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: Surely there's some wrapping going on.

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00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: People are like, wow, that's the heaviest fiddle I've ever seen. Well. Also,

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00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: I love getting to the restaurant and being like, hang on,

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00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: miss the Capone wants the chef to have something, and

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00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: he opens the case and they're like, oh no, and

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00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: he pulls out four gold rimmed plates. Please serve the

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Speaker 1: food on.

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00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: These warm it first? Yeah right, I mean also, what's

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: funny too, is that a bass fiddle case is not

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: exactly inconspicuous, all right, very weird thing to carry it around.

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Speaker 1: I always bring my fiddler with me everywhere we go,

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: just in case I want to hear some old Irish jigs. Well,

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00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: things for al Capone were starting to unravel despite his

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: enormous financial and criminal success. His wife May was doing

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00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: her best to hold him together, but his relationship with

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00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: Frankie Yale in Brooklyn at this point was basically shattered.

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: And again it's just a you know, it's a it's

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00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: a ten volume book to get into all the reasons why.

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00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: But wars had broken out between the Chicago and New

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00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: York gangs and it just totally wreaking havoc on both cities,

1105
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: blood in the streets, and all the police on the

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: news knew that it was because Chicago and New York

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00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: gangs were fighting each other in addition to a bunch

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00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: of criminal politics. Al's temper was kind of getting out

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00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: of control and he became harder and harder to deal with.

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Speaker 1: And as it turns out that latent syphilis was actually

1111
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: starting to rear its head because among the symptoms of

1112
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: what's called tertiary syphilis are extreme personality changes, and this

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: can include paranoia, anger, mood swings, you know, a lot

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: of psychiatric changes. It was literally making him a more

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: violent and determined and untrustworthy gangster, and this only added

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: to his notoriety. So a lot of people say in

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00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: their writings now looking back at it, that if al

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00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Capone had not had syphilis, or had his syphilis treated,

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00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: he might not have been quite as ruthless unhinged as

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Speaker 1: he's seen today. So it's like it's all almost like

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: syphilis was running the mob at a certain point, which

1122
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: is so weird because it was like parasitic in his

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00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: brain and turning him into someone else. One Sunday in

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: July of nineteen twenty eight, Frankie Yale was driving in

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: his bulletproof Cadillac through Brooklyn when he suddenly noticed a

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00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: black buick following him. Inside the buick was machine gun

1127
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: Jack mcgern, al Capone's favorite assassin, and Frankie sees this

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00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and he sped off, and this whole car chase ensued

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00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: through New York. But the buick caught up to him

1130
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: in this suburban neighborhood and right outside a house where

1131
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: a family was watching. Mcgirn pulled up alongside and fired

1132
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: a shotgun straight at Frankie's head. Now the body of

1133
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: the car was bulletproof, but not the windows. So Frankie Yale,

1134
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: al Capone's old boss and the guy who had come

1135
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: to Chicago to kill Big Jim colosimofore him, was now dead.

1136
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: The New York Police commissioner blamed Capone publicly. He even

1137
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: went to Chicago to talk to belief chiefs there in

1138
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: this big show of like, we won't stand for these things.

1139
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: But the Chicago police were not about to get involved.

1140
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: There had been so much bloodshed between New York and

1141
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: Chicago rival gangs that, as far as they were concerned,

1142
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: al Capone had done them a favor.

1143
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: Hmm wow.

1144
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1145
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: But even so, things were just going to get worse

1146
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: and worse for al Capone and by extension, may Compone, sure,

1147
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: and even staying focused on just their relationship and the

1148
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: events most closely connected to it. We don't have time

1149
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: for everything. In one episode, it's al Capone. He is

1150
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: be doing stuff.

1151
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: He'd be doing stuff all the time my.

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00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: Book al Capone, He'd be doing stuff. Bye Diana, Diana

1153
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: bas So next time we will come back and talk

1154
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: about Al's arrest spoiler alert, al Capone was arrested and

1155
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: how May handled the press, the police, and her life

1156
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: as a mother during the trial. Right, it is no

1157
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: less ridiculous than any of this. It's of a different

1158
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: look at the Capone family that we usually don't get

1159
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: to see too often. Yeah, so stay tuned. We will

1160
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: be back next time with the rest of al Capone story.

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01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't wait, as it's so weird, you know,

1162
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: researching and writing this and just like skipping over you know,

1163
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: this huge all these mob politics are really fascinating to me,

1164
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: and I want to just go on and tell these

1165
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: whole stories about just I mean, we briefly mentioned Peter

1166
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: Aello earlier. That was that al Capone that gave al

1167
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: Capone five hundred bucks and was like off with you, buddy,

1168
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: and like whoa boy. Their relationship changed too. And there's

1169
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: just pages and pages of these books. If you get

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: a chance read through Capone The Man in the Era

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: by Lawrence berg Greens from ninety four, and it's detailed

1172
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: and fascinating, and he talks a lot about what a

1173
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: lot of people get wrong about Capone, like him going

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: to war and where he got his scars and all

1175
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: this stuff that just wasn't true. But it's tough to

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of skip over all that and just be like, yeah,

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: but what was his romance like, especially because again, May

1178
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: was not very public. So we just have these kind

1179
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: of pieces and the sort of outside life that moved

1180
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: them from place to place.

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: It's Godfather with part three, just Diane Keaton, just the

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: bits with.

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: Only Godfather Part three and then just the bits of

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: Diane Keaton. Can I say, actually a loan up to

1185
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: this one too? Never saw Godfather three. I've seen one

1186
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: and two and I was I mean, everybody just said that,

1187
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's fine if you don't see're right, right.

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01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know. There's probably somebody

1189
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: out there who's like, just finish it up.

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: I know I've thought about it.

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Plain about it with the rest of us, But I

1192
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: kind of agree Godfather Part two.

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: To watch three right after. You know there was some

1195
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: time in between in real life. But you know, if

1196
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: you're just have the trilogy, you're boom and you're like,

1197
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: what the fuck?

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01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: But also the only time in my life that I've

1200
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 2: been attracted to Robert de Niro, he's so fucking hot.

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: And Godfather Too.

1202
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, I guess after that.

1203
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: No, but in Godfather Too, it was just working for me.

1204
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: He's like, yes, commit crimes, all.

1205
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Right, Well maybe Godfather three. We should go watch Hoodlum

1206
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: with Laurence Fishburne.

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01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: And I've never seen that. Yeah, I'm not sure I've

1208
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: ever seen The Untouchables either. Yeah that you mentioned that. Man, Well,

1209
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: movies we haven't seen.

1210
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen either one since the late nineties. So

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: I say we go back and see if they're any good.

1212
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have some some mob movies.

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know I remember Hoodlum is Ooh. I

1214
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: could be wrong about this, but Vanessa Williams might be

1215
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: in it. No shit, he used to be in love

1216
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: with Vanessa Williams. I guess I still am. I haven't

1217
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: seen her in a while. I'm still well, does ever

1218
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: really go away? True love? You know? I mean, I'm

1219
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: just saying. And the colors of the Wind music video,

1220
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, those eyes, those green eyes.

1221
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was so beautiful.

1222
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: For get it. I don't even know if she's in

1223
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: this movie. I'm just totally in my mind about Vanessa Williams.

1224
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Suddenly it's nineteen ninety six, I'm twelve years old, and

1225
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: all I could think of is Vanessa Williams. I was right,

1226
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: it is Vanessa Williams. Yay.

1227
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you, babe.

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01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she McBride what a cast? Okay, William Atherton Okay. Anyway,

1229
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: stay tuned for our Hoodluan Rewatch podcast. Well look for

1230
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: anybody who's still around. Thanks so much for tuning in

1231
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: for this part one of al Capone. Again, thanks for

1232
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: sticking with us this month that we we kind of

1233
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: scattershout these episodes out, but I hope you're enjoying them.

1234
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: We definitely are enjoying getting a little break from the

1235
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: theater world to kind of tell these stories too, So

1236
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: totally have a lot of fun and learning this whole

1237
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: other side of al Capone. Again. I don't think we

1238
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: get much of this in the movies, true, so I

1239
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: was really excited to get to kind of glue all

1240
01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: this together.

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed it too. We'd love

1242
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts or any other suggestions for shows

1243
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: or whatever you think about Vanessa Williams. If you like

1244
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: hoodlum whatever, reach out. Our email is ridic Romance at

1245
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: gmail dot com.

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1248
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