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Speaker 1: All right, hour two Sean Hannity Show, toll free, our

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Speaker 1: numbers eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn, if you

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program. It's an

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Speaker 1: amazing thing, isn't it that we You know, here we

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Speaker 1: are a year later last year at this time, heading

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Speaker 1: higher in terms of COVID positivity cases. And meanwhile we've

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Speaker 1: got three vaccines. We've got now Joe Biden for the

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Speaker 1: first time, what last week or a week and a

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Speaker 1: half ago, mentions monoclonal antibodies. You know, it's a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump had used regeneron as part of the therapeutic

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Speaker 1: that got him well very quickly. I'm not a doctor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to play one on radio and TV,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to give him my whole spiel.

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Speaker 1: But I'm fascinated with science. I believe in science. I

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Speaker 1: believe in vaccination science. But I'm not your doctor. I

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Speaker 1: know nothing about your medical history, your current medical condition,

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Speaker 1: and I urge everyone to take it seriously and talk

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Speaker 1: to you doctor. He lost nearly seven hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 1: I don't want my audience dying. I don't want anybody dying.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you hate me, I don't want

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Speaker 1: you dying anyway. And so I was reading the Epic

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Speaker 1: Times last week, and sure enough they interviewed a guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I had not heard of him before,

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Speaker 1: because I'm following this daily. His name is doctor Robert Malone.

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Speaker 1: It turns out he is the inventor of the technology

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Speaker 1: of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug. In other words,

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Speaker 1: the technology that led to the FISA Maderna vaccines a

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Speaker 1: little different than the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I'll

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Speaker 1: let him explain the difference because he joins us now, sir,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Thank you for being Willis. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the opportunity to speak to you in your audience.

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Speaker 1: The first question, doctor, is am I doing the right

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Speaker 1: thing by telling people to take it seriously. Take you,

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Speaker 1: do your research, learn as much as you can be informed,

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Speaker 1: take into account your unique medical history, your current medical condition,

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Speaker 1: right decision based on that conversation. Is that the right advice?

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Speaker 1: Because I see all these people in Washington that never

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Speaker 1: all medicine, and I am a problem with that. You're

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Speaker 1: dead on, and thank you for saying it. It's precisely

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Speaker 1: the thing that I've been trying to say. I'm not

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Speaker 1: anti vax. I've been a vaccinologist for thirty years, and

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Speaker 1: as you say kindly, I did play a key role

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Speaker 1: in inventing the technology platform for these and I've done

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Speaker 1: many other things in my career, but I believe firmly

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Speaker 1: safe and effective products. And it's always been the case

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Speaker 1: that vaccines have been stratified for their for deciding whether

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Speaker 1: clearly a disease of the elderly neal piece. Um, So you're,

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, You're messaging to your audience

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Speaker 1: is pitch perfect. Well. I appreciate it because I'm I

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Speaker 1: get the crappy out of me doctor every day, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually am fascinated with medicine. UM. I did an

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Speaker 1: hour special with doctor A doctor's name is doctor Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: the difference between mRNA technology that you played a big

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Speaker 1: The J and J vaccine and I've heard this before.

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Speaker 1: The J and J vaccine is not a traditional vaccine technology. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Those are all attenuated, live attenuated vaccines. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: So let me ask it in these terms, because okay, people,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, considering you're up to your eyeballs and

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Speaker 1: to me, M But I appreciate you being on the program. Doctor, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back again, and uh we you know,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate your forthrightness on it. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be good. All right, thank you, sir, Doctor Robert Malone. Fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to you. Doctor. There's a lot to learn,

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Speaker 1: and every time I think I know something, I am

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