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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: day Impure normal podcast network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The

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Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and

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Speaker 1: opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out,

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Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm

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Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on

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Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I Am

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Speaker 1: going to play a two minute clip for you and

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Speaker 1: then I'll tell you why. So let's listen. The moment

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Speaker 1: my life changed was December fourteenth, in a car accident

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Speaker 1: in Charleston, South Carolina. I was hit at seventy five

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Speaker 1: miles per hour. I was literally knocked out of my

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Speaker 1: body and it was life changing in many ways, because

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Speaker 1: it was at that moment that I realized that I

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Speaker 1: had the choice whether to stay in my body or

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Speaker 1: to exit. I knew that I was eternal. I knew

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Speaker 1: I'd been here before, and I knew I would continue on.

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Speaker 1: My grandfather, Judge, is a very interesting part of of

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Speaker 1: my story because my interest in health, healing medicine came

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Speaker 1: from the fact that he was a well renowned surgeon

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Speaker 1: in Kentucky for his career, and we were talking about

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Speaker 1: out of this world experiences, about bigger things, about our

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Speaker 1: role in helping humanity. And the kicker was that I

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Speaker 1: was probably about three or four when finally my mother

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Speaker 1: told me he wasn't alive. I've been talking to him

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Speaker 1: for the first couple of years of my life, the

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Speaker 1: same as I'm sitting here speaking to you. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of my backstory and how things developed, and so of

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Speaker 1: course after the accident, I just turned my life over

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Speaker 1: and I'd be in the hospital helping somebody I've never

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Speaker 1: met before because a voice has told me, you need

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Speaker 1: to go to hospital room to thirteen and help this

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Speaker 1: mother can't bear to unplug them, do you know this

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Speaker 1: is my life, this is what I do. I am

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Speaker 1: here to serve. I think as the years have gone

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Speaker 1: by and Promised by Heaven has developed into the book

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Speaker 1: that it has. The biggest thing I can say to

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Speaker 1: people is let yourselves off the hook. That's the message

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Speaker 1: behind the book. We didn't come here for perfection. We

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Speaker 1: came here from perfection to take a break and to

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Speaker 1: find out what it means to experience life in the

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Speaker 1: human form. And if we can extend our hand and say,

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Speaker 1: can share that with you, if I can share something

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Speaker 1: you with that, isn't that what it's all about? So

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Speaker 1: who was that? That was Dr Mary Helen Hensley, author

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Speaker 1: of the book Promised by Heaven, whose life was completely

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Speaker 1: changed for the good, I might add after her near

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Speaker 1: death experience. Although many doctors have had near death experiences,

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Speaker 1: and many have witnessed near death experiences and studied them,

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Speaker 1: many scientists believe it or not, have thought these experiences

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Speaker 1: tell us more is Jeff Allen from study finds a

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Speaker 1: new study exploring what people experience when they're close to

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Speaker 1: death has come to one important conclusion. Near death experiences

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Speaker 1: Countless people have claimed that their life flashed before their eyes,

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Speaker 1: what exactly a near death experience is. The main finding

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Speaker 1: Researchers note that the near death experience usually triggers a

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Speaker 1: The team also found it turns out that scientists can

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Speaker 1: Study authors note that advances in medicine over the last

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Speaker 1: This is allowing scientists to objectively study the physiological and

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Speaker 1: So what we were doing here is I was choosing

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain.

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Speaker 1: twenty three near death experiences that were very clearly documented

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Speaker 1: as having occurred during general anesthesia. They absolutely occurred. There

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Speaker 1: are typical near death experiences. In my questionnaire, there were

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Speaker 1: thirty three questions pertaining to the elements of the near

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Speaker 1: death experience or what actually happens. Thirty two of the

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Speaker 1: thirty three elements occurred equally often in the near death

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Speaker 1: experience group associated with anesthesia, as compared to near death

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Speaker 1: experiences occurring under all all other types of of circumstances.

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Speaker 1: The only difference is the people under general anesthesia that

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Speaker 1: had their near death experience. Statistically, we're more likely to

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Speaker 1: have a tunnel experience. I don't know why. Importantly, my

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Speaker 1: key question about what was your level of consciousness and

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Speaker 1: alertness during this experience absolutely the same whether they were

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Speaker 1: under general anesthesia or had their near death experience under

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Speaker 1: any other circumstance. Powerful evidence right there. The near death

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Speaker 1: experiences are absolutely occurring separate from physical brain function the

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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are listening to radiation oncologist

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Speaker 1: Dr Jeffrey Long about near death experiences. Probably already you're

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Speaker 1: seeing some pretty powerful evidence for the reality of near

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Speaker 1: death experiences and it's consistent message that our consciousness survives

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Speaker 1: bodily death, Well, what does the skeptics say? And that's

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Speaker 1: important to note that over twenty different explanations so called explanations,

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Speaker 1: have been proposed by skeptics over the years. You name it,

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Speaker 1: I've heard just about every physiological, psychological, and cultural explanation possible.

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Speaker 1: The reason there's over twenty different explanations is very simple.

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Speaker 1: The skeptics themselves can't agree on any one or several

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Speaker 1: explanations of near death experience that they accept as adequately

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Speaker 1: explaining INDI. I mean think about that, if there was

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Speaker 1: really a decent explanation of INDIE, there wouldn't have over

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Speaker 1: twenty different explanations competing with each other. But moving on quickly,

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Speaker 1: we'll go through lines five of seven lines of evidence

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Speaker 1: for the reality of Indeed there's a life review. Um

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Speaker 1: During the life review, just observed about seventeen percent of

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Speaker 1: the time and near death experiences, you may see all

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Speaker 1: or a part of your prior life reviewed. Long forgotten

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Speaker 1: memories may be recalled. And when I researched this, I

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Speaker 1: found that when people's had a life review, even if

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Speaker 1: they'd forgotten the memories, often in early childhood, if they

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Speaker 1: later checked it out after they recovered from what it

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Speaker 1: merely killed them. They find that even if they forgot it,

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Speaker 1: what they saw in the life review really did happen,

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Speaker 1: even if they've forgotten it. I always put fear of

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Speaker 1: the life review, because some people fear the life review.

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Speaker 1: I can share you during the life review and near

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Speaker 1: death experiences, essentially never is their external judgment. You're being

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Speaker 1: shown your prior life. You have to decide and make

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Speaker 1: a judgment at any about what you have to think

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Speaker 1: about your own prior life. Certainly in near death experiences,

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Speaker 1: that's not at all unusual to encounter deceased loved ones.

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Speaker 1: Um these are joyous reunions. Even if people died of

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Speaker 1: disfiguring or or illnesses when they were way up in age,

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Speaker 1: they're essentially always picture perfect health. In my study, I

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Speaker 1: was astonished to find that only four percent of the

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Speaker 1: time beings are encountered in a near death experience in

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Speaker 1: an unearthly your heavenly real only four percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: These are beings that are alive at the time of

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Speaker 1: the near death experience. And I want to emphasize also

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Speaker 1: deceased beloved pets are often encountered in near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: In these unearthly realms. Once again joyous reunions. Line of evidence. Seven.

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Speaker 1: I studied near death experiences and children age five and less.

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Speaker 1: This sort of an ideal study group because to them,

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Speaker 1: near death experiences are unknown and unknowable. They have no

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Speaker 1: concepts of death generally, uh, they don't typically won't have

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Speaker 1: any preconceived notions about what should happen when you die.

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Speaker 1: Looking at that same thirty three elements of things that

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Speaker 1: occurred during a near death experience, the near death experience

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Speaker 1: content was identical. Even though their cultural way practically a

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Speaker 1: blank slate would very young children have near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: They're having identical content near death experiences. A really powerful

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Speaker 1: line of evidence is the fact that near death experiences

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Speaker 1: have worldwide consistency. You may call that. Previously said that

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Speaker 1: portions of our INDE research website are published in over

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Speaker 1: thirty different languages, so we're getting near death experiences shared

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Speaker 1: literally from all over the world. That has allowed us

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Speaker 1: to do by far, the largest cross cultural study that's

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Speaker 1: ever been possible before. The conclusion from this extens of

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Speaker 1: study involving hundreds of near death experiences shared from non

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Speaker 1: English languages around the world and from over fifty near

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Speaker 1: death experiences from non Western countries. Bottom line is the

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Speaker 1: near death experience strike content once again striking lee similar.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to make any difference whether you're saying

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Speaker 1: a Christian in the United States or a Muslim in

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Speaker 1: Egypt or Hindu in India. Wherever on the planet you are,

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Speaker 1: if you have a near death experience, is willing to

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Speaker 1: be strikingly similar. Now, language gets in a way, how

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Speaker 1: do you describe ineffable unearthly? Uh, you know, the kind

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Speaker 1: of remarkable things that people encounter, But if you look

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Speaker 1: at actually what happens, they're remarkably typical. Now, the sternest

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Speaker 1: test of near death experiences around the world are those

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Speaker 1: that occur in non Western countries that typically have very

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Speaker 1: different cultural and religent religious backgrounds. Through my work and

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Speaker 1: also doing several studies with a near death experience investigator

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Speaker 1: in Iran, and we've published several papers on this, once

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Speaker 1: again the content appears striking lee similar. The implications of

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Speaker 1: that all of this is enormous. Wherever on Earth we are,

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Speaker 1: if you have a near death experience, it seems to

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Speaker 1: be strikingly similarly. Really seem to be spiritual beings overall

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Speaker 1: having a human experience here and now in our earth

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Speaker 1: line of evidence. Number of nine is what's called the

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Speaker 1: after effects. In other words, those are the changes and

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Speaker 1: values and beliefs that occur after the near death experience.

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Speaker 1: And I want to emphasize this may take years to

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Speaker 1: fully integrate when you have an extreme life changing event,

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Speaker 1: something that is beyond anything you ever thought possible. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it can take a long time, often years, to fully

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Speaker 1: integrate those changes and values and belief But when they do,

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Speaker 1: extensive prospective and retrospective studies and near death experiences are

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Speaker 1: very consistently finding an increased belief in the afterlife. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's not surprise, is it. From the perspective of someone

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Speaker 1: who had a near death experience, they no doubt the

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Speaker 1: afterlife because they firmly believe they experienced the afterlife and

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Speaker 1: their near death experience, and they know what lies ahead. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they have a reduced fear of death. But the same

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Speaker 1: reason they've been through a life threatening event, they know

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Speaker 1: from their personal belief what happens after they die, and

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Speaker 1: it is certainly good news. They grow to value loving

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Speaker 1: relationships from what they learned during their indie. They become

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Speaker 1: typically much less materialistic, and certainly a greatly increased it

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Speaker 1: belief in God's certainly other after effects. Those are the

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Speaker 1: most commonly observed. Now we're going to go on to

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Speaker 1: my more recent research, and this is sort of meeting edge,

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Speaker 1: if you will. That was my original nine lines of

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Speaker 1: evidence for the reality of near death experience. We're coming

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Speaker 1: up now to number ten, eleven and twelve. Number ten.

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Speaker 1: In the survey, I asked one thousand, one twenty two

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Speaker 1: people that actually had a near death experience, straight up,

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Speaker 1: how do you currently view the reality of their near

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Speaker 1: of your experience? Look at that ninety five point five

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Speaker 1: percent people believe their experience was definitely real, only about

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Speaker 1: four percent say any doubt at all and say it

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Speaker 1: was probably real, And less than one percent are of

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Speaker 1: the belief that their experience was not real. That is

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Speaker 1: an astoundingly high percentage. And I think you really have

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Speaker 1: to conclude from this data without of respect for people's

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Speaker 1: ability to generally understand reality. If skeptics want to represent

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Speaker 1: that near death experiences are not real, they really need

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Speaker 1: to present strong evidence that near death experiences are not real.

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Speaker 1: And as we've discussed, the skeptics aren't even closed. Skeptics

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Speaker 1: can't explain any of the lines of evidence I'm ex

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Speaker 1: presenting today, let alone all of them together. Moving on

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Speaker 1: on number eleven, another line of evidence for the reality

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Speaker 1: of near death experiences are what's called shared near death experience.

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Speaker 1: These are fascinating experience where two or more people have

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Speaker 1: a simultaneous, in other words, occurring at the same time,

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Speaker 1: life threatening event we've and then they can not only

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Speaker 1: observe each other and they can communicate with each other,

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Speaker 1: but they're actually, if you will, sharing the same near

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Speaker 1: death experience. Like I said, we've had fifteen that have

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Speaker 1: been shared with us their typical near death experiences, but

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Speaker 1: they're shared, and I want to illustrate that with a

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Speaker 1: very dramatic account. William shared this some time ago, and

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Speaker 1: this is an example of what can happen during a

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Speaker 1: near death experience. And this is a shared near death experience.

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Speaker 1: This is William Shares. I was taking my girlfriend to

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Speaker 1: her parents home in welland That's Canada. I went to

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Speaker 1: sleep while driving. Then I was aware that we were

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Speaker 1: out of our bodies and quickly flying up towards space,

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Speaker 1: holding hands. They were engaged. We flew straight up for

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Speaker 1: a minute or so when we started to see a

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Speaker 1: park or countryside landscape. Suddenly we were intercepted by four creatures.

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Speaker 1: Two flanked each of us and began to gently separate us.

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Speaker 1: They overwhelmed us with a feeling of the highest love

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Speaker 1: and compassion that was well beyond anything we could experience

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Speaker 1: on earth, a divine love. We therefore had no resistance

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Speaker 1: to their effort. I recall feeling sort of like a

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Speaker 1: baby in a mother's arms, but it's hard to accurately describe.

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Speaker 1: Two of them moved her upward toward a distant landscape,

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Speaker 1: and two moved me back downward. I felt so much love,

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Speaker 1: peace and comfort that I wanted to protest and say no,

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Speaker 1: please let me stay here, but hearing inwardly without ears

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Speaker 1: or psychically that I could not stay. Next, I could

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Speaker 1: see my car in flames for maybe about a quarter

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Speaker 1: mile up. I felt a sensation of falling and awakened

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Speaker 1: in the car. The front was on fire. I moved

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Speaker 1: her from leaning on me as she was when I

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Speaker 1: fell asleep, knowing that her body was an empty shell.

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Speaker 1: I had left her above with those beings. It's very dramatic,

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Speaker 1: very poignant shared near death experience. They were literally sharing

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Speaker 1: a near death experience. Very powerful evidence that what's being

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Speaker 1: described to near death experiences may well be that initial

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Speaker 1: step for those having permanent, very versible death. Some of

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Speaker 1: the most important recent research I have is is there

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Speaker 1: an afterlife? Answer? Obviously yes, So if there's an afterlife,

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Speaker 1: is there God? I was amazed at the consistency in

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Speaker 1: what they described. They over and over described God as

649
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly loving, overwhelmingly accepting them of who they are and

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00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: for all that they are. They have enormously positive feelings

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00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: at God's presence. God's appearance can be variable, but typically

652
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: described as an unearthly brilliant white light. They often say,

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Speaker 1: what I encountered God is an earthly term and earthly word.

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: What I encountered was beyond any earthly word. Often God

655
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Speaker 1: will be involved in sending the person back to their

656
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Speaker 1: earthly life. It's very common for and have a powerful

657
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: sense of unity afterlife or heavenly realms when they're in

658
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: an unearthly heavenly realm. Just briefly, time and space radically

659
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: seems different from Earth. They typically say time does not exist.

660
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Speaker 1: Beautiful landscapes have been described when they're in that unearthly

661
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: realm beyond anything on Earth. There's buildings and cities. It's

662
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: always dramatic to me that when they're in that unearthly

663
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: or heavenly realm, they may describe colors that are beautiful

664
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Speaker 1: beyond anything that could even possibly exist on earth. They

665
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: may describe beautiful music that is so beautiful that it's

666
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: beyond anything that could possibly be conceivable on earth, beyond

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00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: anything that they ever knew. Typically, in these unearthly heavenly realms,

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Speaker 1: they have once again the over powerful feeling of peace

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Speaker 1: and love, among the two most common words used to

670
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: described near death experiences, love and peace. And interestingly, when

671
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Speaker 1: they're in that unearthly realm, even though it seems so

672
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: different from her earthly life, there's very often a powerful

673
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Speaker 1: awareness that this unearthly, this beautiful heavenly realm, is their

674
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: real home. And that seems to be true not only

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Speaker 1: for the person having the near death experience Fretter, all

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Speaker 1: of us. A really profound message of hope delivered from

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Speaker 1: those that have had near death experiences. Let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you this is the latest research on near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: the Coast to Coast m dot com for details. The

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Speaker 1: Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children to

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Speaker 1: a world of information, experiences, and ideas and also can

686
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Speaker 1: expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic safety

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Speaker 1: rules of the virtual world. Our children are everything. Do

688
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: everything for them. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

689
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we were just listening to Dr

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Long. You can check out his website at n

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Speaker 1: d E r F dot org. Now. He was talking

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00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: about the after effects of near death experiences and while

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Speaker 1: a small amount of people that actually have a near

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Speaker 1: death experience remember them, I want to introduce you to

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Speaker 1: Dr Peter Fisher, who, after experiencing sudden cardiac arrest, does

696
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Speaker 1: not remember his near death experience, but the after effect

697
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: was so powerful and his words just give me chills

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00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: about how to live life and what's important. I'm often asked,

699
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: what happened to you on that basketball court? Did you

700
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: see anything? Yeah, it's very difficult to describe. And as

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00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: I've looked through a lot of a lot of accounts

702
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: of people who have died, honestly, very little of it

703
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: resonates with me. I didn't see a light, but I

704
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: wasn't looking for one. I did see the scene of

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00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: where I was. That sense of people talk about being

706
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: pulled from your body. I had that Ryan Blankenship, who

707
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: I interviewed, that six eight guy crying in his living room.

708
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: He said, why didn't you stop? I mean, you've been

709
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: going at this for five minutes, which felt like fifteen,

710
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: and nobody and nobody had come yet. The ambulance that

711
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in our area was on another

712
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: call and went to another, and so they had to

713
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: call from a remote location to bring an ambulance in.

714
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: It took him about ten minutes to get there. And

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00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: he said, I didn't He said, I didn't stop because

716
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: we had a moment. He said, I was pushing on

717
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: your chest and you were lifeless, and then suddenly you

718
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: turned your head and you looked at me, and I

719
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: watched your pupils go from black circles and focus on me.

720
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: And I said, I remember that, I remember that briefly.

721
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: And he said, we saw that happen, and we encourage

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00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: you to stick around. But then as soon as they

723
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: stopped CPR, I had no blood pressure and and I

724
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: felt that pulling away sensation and watched them resume. I remember,

725
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I remember that. UM. There's two versions of life after death.

726
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: There's the question of persisting intelligence. UH. And that's a

727
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: very individual experience. It's difficult to tell to tell you

728
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: what you think about or what you feel when you're

729
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: in an out of body experience. For me, it was

730
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: all about my kids and my wife and my responsibilities,

731
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: and I felt a closeness with them that that I

732
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: can't really put into words, UM, but I've been able

733
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: to share with them on some on some aspects. The

734
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: second version of life after death is is a different

735
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: way of living after dying and UH and then living again.

736
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to take the last minutes

737
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: and tell you about this. Life after dying is better.

738
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: It's not care free, it's not work free, but priorities

739
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: shift and there is a greater feeling of joy. And

740
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: so as I think about it, I think everybody should

741
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: experience sudden cardiac death UM and live. You have to

742
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: You have to live, uh, to to know what this

743
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: is like. Life before death tended to be ambitious and

744
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: strategic and independent, and life after death is relational and

745
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: intimate and re lentlessly grateful. Observation number three Products Projects

746
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: don't define success. Relationships define success. Twelve years into practice,

747
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: I was like a plate spinner. I was addicted to

748
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: this praise of people saying, we need somebody to run

749
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: our robotics committee. Oh my gosh, you would be so

750
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: great with that. We need somebody to chair to be

751
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: the head of surgery. We you know, we're opening a

752
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: new hospital. We need a urology division chairman. You would

753
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: be so great. Thank you for doing this, Thank you

754
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: for doing this. That praise becomes a silent addiction. Twelve

755
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: years into practice, I had seven leading roles. I was

756
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: the chair of surgery at my hospital. I was the

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00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: chair of the robotics committee at two hospitals. UH was

758
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: was working in a number of other committees and so forth.

759
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: And that stress was was killing me. I didn't really

760
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: recognize it, but that's how I was defining success. Success

761
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a financial goal, It wasn't about being a good doctor.

762
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: It was about the body of work outside of my

763
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: work and some of you may experience that life after

764
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: death success is about joyful relationships, And for me, it

765
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: changed in an instant. You know, I used to call

766
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: patients when I drive. Somebody talked about that yesterday. I

767
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: used to call patients, and I used to call partners,

768
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: and I used to strategize about our list of tripsy company,

769
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: and I used to strategize about our hiring partners. Now,

770
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: when I drive, I call my brother Ah, and I

771
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't answer his phone, so I can just

772
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: leave him a message, tell him I was thinking about him.

773
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: I call my parents. I took individual trips with my kids.

774
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I recognized immediately where I am wanted and where I

775
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: am needed. Imagine you have the perfect excuse to get

776
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: out of the projects that you hate. I had it,

777
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: and all of these places where I was need, where

778
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: I was wanted to perform, and told them from the

779
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: hospital bed, Hey, I can't be the chair of surgery anymore. Hey,

780
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I can't be the robotics committee chairman anymore. Hey, I'm

781
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: just not gonna do that talk. I'm not going to

782
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: speak for your pharmaceutical company anymore. I got I can't

783
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: do it. This is what happened. To me, they had

784
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: me replaced in less than ten days. Each of those

785
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: places I immediately knew where I was wanted and where

786
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: I was needed. And it was those places where I

787
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: was needed that made the difference. If you want to

788
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: know the best the best book that I read about

789
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: life after death, it's not about life after death. It's

790
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: this guy, David Brooks um and The Second Mountain, And

791
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: I have a couple of quotes from that because when

792
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: I read this, these feelings started to describe how I

793
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: felt in my core through this changing experience. He says,

794
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: when I look back generally on the errors and failures

795
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: and sins of my life, they tend to be failures

796
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: of omission, failures to truly show up to the people

797
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: who I've been close to. They tend to be sins

798
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: of withdrawal, evasion, workoholism, conflict avoidance, failure to empathize, and

799
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: failure to express myself openly good grief. Does that not

800
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: sound like a bunch of overworked doctors. I feel terrible

801
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: for people who die and live and find that they've

802
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: been in the wrong marriage. That was luckily not the

803
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: case with me. This is a picture of me and

804
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: my sweet wife in our little getaway in the Albion

805
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: Basin above Salt Lake City. This quote I'll share with you.

806
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: It's my favorite. Love itself is what has left over

807
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: when being in loved has burned away, and is both

808
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: an art and a fortunate accident. We have roots that

809
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: grow towards each other underground, and when all the pretty

810
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: blossoms fallen off our branches, we find that we are

811
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: one tree. Not too Observation number five. My wants and

812
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: desires have shifted from independence to interdependence. I just cannot

813
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: tell you how poignant that is. It's so subtle. We

814
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: do crave independence. Our our community celebrates independence. Everybody gets

815
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: the shaik. You be you, you do it your way,

816
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: whatever you do is absolutely fine. Man. They may that

817
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: may be fine with the world. But when I died

818
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: and came back to life, all I wanted was to

819
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: be connected. I did not want to be an independent entity.

820
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: I just wanted those connections. And remembering that it just

821
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: feels better to just say it again from David Brooks.

822
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: They are not interested in what other people tell them.

823
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: What they want. They want to want the things that

824
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: are truly worth wanting. That's got to be hard sentence

825
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: for him to write. They want to want the things

826
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: that are truly worth wanting. That's what life after death

827
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: feels like. They elevate their desires. The world tell as

828
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: them to want independence, but they want interdependence, to be

829
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: a meshed in a web of warm relationships. The world

830
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: tells them to want individual freedom, but they want intimacy, responsibility,

831
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: and commitment. Observation number six comparison is the robber of

832
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: joy good grief. I can't tell you what it's like

833
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: to suddenly be stripped of the need to compare yourself

834
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: with other people, but it was enormously freeing. I feel

835
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: like being on a path is is just as good

836
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: as as getting to a destination. Accepting mediocrity is not

837
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the medicine for imperfection. Life after death ships shifts from

838
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: venting frustration and finding blame to honesty patients long term gains,

839
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: and openly sharing vulnerability. Openly and directly address imperfection. As

840
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: the observation I came up with listening after death. You'll

841
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: have to grab this quote from my slides, But I'm

842
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: still not a good listener. I just have a better

843
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: goal of how to be a better listener. Uh and

844
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: uh and and this is a great Buddhist quote about

845
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: deep listening observation number nine success equation flipped. And I'm

846
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: gonna take two minutes to tell you about this because

847
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: it's important to me. Life before death was indestructible, concealed

848
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: weakness and hiding failures. I felt like if I wanted

849
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: to get something, I could work and determine and work

850
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: and determine over and over again until I achieved that

851
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: there was nothing that I couldn't find. That all switch shifted,

852
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, my vulnerability was open to

853
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: the world and patients and colleagues and neighbors would all

854
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: treat me with initially with velvet gloves and recognize that

855
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I was completely vulnerable. That shifted for me, and then

856
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I found in that vulnerable this sense of of warm

857
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: relationships and joy. Our problem with vulnerability is that we

858
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: bring it home like my kid, Mitch. You know, if

859
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Speaker 1: ch calls me before death and says, Dad, I'm having

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Speaker 1: a hard time making friends, I would fall right into

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Speaker 1: those clinical models of the cheerleader. You can hear it right.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Mitch, you're great. People don't love you yet

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Speaker 1: because I don't know you just be yourself. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be awesome. We love you, everybody's gonna love you. Instead.

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Speaker 1: I found life after death. Dad. I'm having a hard

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Speaker 1: time making friends. Hey, I get that. I think that

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Speaker 1: can be hard for everybody at a lot of different phases.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do about it? And try

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Speaker 1: not to become his voice, and not try and take

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Speaker 1: the place of his voice, and not try and stifle

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Speaker 1: good grief, not try and put down his voice. We

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Speaker 1: measure our lives by the quality of our relationships and

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Speaker 1: the quality of our service in those relationships. Life is

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Speaker 1: a qualitative endeavor, not a quantitative one. I hope my

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Speaker 1: life after death characterizes me as an advocate. And my

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Speaker 1: last message for you is that I became vulnerable and

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Speaker 1: found a profound view of those relationships and a shifting

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Speaker 1: to somebody better than who I was. And you may

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Speaker 1: get there. You may get divorced or jobless, or houseless

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Speaker 1: or homeless, or face down on a basketball court. But

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Speaker 1: if you can come through it, that vulnerability can give

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Speaker 1: you tremendous strength. Thank you, Dr Fisher. Everything we learned

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Speaker 1: about life after death is to give us the best

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Speaker 1: life while we're here on earth. I'm Sandra Champlain and

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Speaker 1: don't forget to come by We Don't Die dot com.

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Speaker 1: Check out all we're doing, come to a free Sunday

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Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart

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