WEBVTT - A Canadian Ghost Town Takes a Gamble on Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>Most people are down the road and there's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe hundred houses, maybe a little bit less than that.

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<v Speaker 1>This summer, I spent some time in a remote town

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<v Speaker 1>along the coast of Canada, about three hundred miles northwest

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<v Speaker 1>of Vancouver. It's called Ocean Falls. He used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a paper mill town, and so these are this was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the paper facility. The blue building that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are in that. Yeah, this was so this was

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<v Speaker 1>all buildings here and most of them were torn down

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<v Speaker 1>about ten years ago. The mills just downstream from a

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<v Speaker 1>dam that was built in the early nineteen hundreds. Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>Falls is surrounded by steep hills covered in thick forest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sits on a deep bay that empties out

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<v Speaker 1>into the Pacific Ocean. Ocean Falls had been a town

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<v Speaker 1>of about five thousand people until the mill shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's less than a hundred. It's almost a ghost town.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the wood would come down and then it

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<v Speaker 1>would be uh, they're the big grinders in there. They

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<v Speaker 1>would grind the wood up into With the mill gone,

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean Falls began looking for some new business, anything to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the community alive. It's latest hope comes from Kevin day.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin's a tech guy from Vancouver, and he's the one

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<v Speaker 1>showing me around here, and do you need to use

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<v Speaker 1>you wear a hard hats. Borre Lex is the private

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<v Speaker 1>utility company that operates the damn in Ocean Falls, but

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin doesn't work there. He's actually bora Lex's new customer.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that sound you guys, Yes, that huney you here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the sound of hundreds of fans blowing past hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of little computers. They're on twenty four hours a day

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<v Speaker 1>cranking through complicated math problems making bitcoins. Hi, I'm Pegatari

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joshua Bursting. And this week on Decrypted, we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you the story of Ocean Falls, a town on

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<v Speaker 1>a multi decade search for a savior that thought it

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<v Speaker 1>might have found one when a bitcoin mine came to town.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first episode of our new season, where

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<v Speaker 1>for the next four months will be exploring the unintended

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of technology. The biggest problem for Ocean Falls was

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<v Speaker 1>its isolation. It was just too much trouble to bring

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<v Speaker 1>workers there and too expensive to ship goods out. But

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<v Speaker 1>those things don't matter much for bitcoin miners. All they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for is cold weather to keep their computers cool

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<v Speaker 1>and enough electricity to keep them running. Ocean Falls has both.

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<v Speaker 1>But if a town is good for bitcoin mining, does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean bitcoin mining is good for the town. And

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<v Speaker 1>while it may have seemed promising when prices were soaring,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens now that they've crashed? Stay with us. I

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<v Speaker 1>first heard about Ocean Falls in January. I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to a businessman in Toronto who invested in cryptocurrency businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>and he mentioned that bitcoin miners have been taken an

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<v Speaker 1>interest in old mill sites in British Columbia. That immediately

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<v Speaker 1>caught my attention. The bitcoin gold rush was all over

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<v Speaker 1>the news. Bitcoin stores past thou dollars for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up, and it's up big for this about since

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<v Speaker 1>nine thirty this morning, New York Times, six thirty R time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we're going to see fifty by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of two thousand eighteen for bitcoin. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>think of bitcoin is something that's happening just online. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the price runup had set off a global race to

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<v Speaker 1>find actual physical places that are well suited for the

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<v Speaker 1>data centers and needed to create new bitcoins through a

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<v Speaker 1>process known as mining. And here was a place where

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<v Speaker 1>the crypto rush felt like an actual gold rush, so

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<v Speaker 1>I asked for an introduction to Kevin. He agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me, and I began checking in with him

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<v Speaker 1>every once in a while as he traveled between Vancouver

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<v Speaker 1>and Ocean Falls over the course of this year. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in July, I headed up there myself with Jackie Dives,

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<v Speaker 1>a photographer based in Vancouver. And it's a trek because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no road to get there. Yeah. From Vancouver, I

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<v Speaker 1>took two little hops and a twenty person playing to

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<v Speaker 1>Bella Bella, which is the closest town with an airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I hitched a ride from people boating into work

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<v Speaker 1>at a local salmon hatchery that's the only other real

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<v Speaker 1>business in town. The boat moves through narrow channels between

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains and then opens up into this big bay

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<v Speaker 1>and there you are. It's unbelievably beautiful. When we got

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<v Speaker 1>to town, Kevin was walking up to pick us up

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<v Speaker 1>at the dock. I wonder if this is Kevin here.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin is an athletic guys in his mid forties. Hey Kevin, good,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? Kevin says he's most comfortable when sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in front of a computer, and he's run a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of start ups in and around Vancouver. He used to

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<v Speaker 1>run a business selling ringtones back when that was a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he had a business that had to do

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<v Speaker 1>with insurance. Kevin had first heard about Ocean Falls in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten when he saw a TV documentary about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually suggested to a friend of his and the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel business that it might be a cool place to

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<v Speaker 1>set up a resort, but nothing ever came of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Kevin started getting interested in bitcoin in about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and twenty thirteen. Over time, Kevin became fixated on

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<v Speaker 1>building his own bitcoin mine. That's when he remembered Ocean Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean Falls has this nostalgic vibe of a pioneer town

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<v Speaker 1>in decline. At least that's how it came off in

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<v Speaker 1>a news cost you showed me from nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The good old battle days in Ocean Falls. Today, they

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<v Speaker 1>were remembered with fond regret by the last survivors of

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<v Speaker 1>a very special kind of town. Today most of the

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<v Speaker 1>residents are older. They have a really romantic view of

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<v Speaker 1>the place. Like here's Tony Zignash, who runs the small

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<v Speaker 1>boarding house where I stayed when I was there. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time we come around the corner into some Falls, I

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<v Speaker 1>always think this is as close to paradise as as

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<v Speaker 1>it gets. Still, it takes a certain type of person

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<v Speaker 1>to live there. It may be beautiful, but it's so remote.

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<v Speaker 1>People in Ocean Falls put up with his challenges because

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<v Speaker 1>they seem to relish the sense of removal from the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world. But not Kevin. No, he immediately saw the

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<v Speaker 1>town's the setting for his own kind of secret, technological retreat,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones he daydreamed about when watching television as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. I always love this idea of like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of this high tech sort of layer, kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of sort of nowhere. Maybe it's sot of

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<v Speaker 1>because I was a big fan of like James Bond

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<v Speaker 1>movies or something like that, where they had sort of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys they were had these Kevin's not the first

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<v Speaker 1>businessman to fall in love with Ocean Falls. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a steady stream of proposals. The first one happened soon

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<v Speaker 1>after the mill closed, when a businessman bought many of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest buildings in town, hoping to convert them into

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<v Speaker 1>a resort and casino for people traveling up the coast

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<v Speaker 1>on cruise ships. There have also been plans to brew beer,

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<v Speaker 1>grow marijuana, and bottle water. At one point, it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like Ocean Falls would be the setting for an action

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<v Speaker 1>movie starting Al Pacino and Hillary Swank. My personal favorite

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<v Speaker 1>was a plan in the nineteen eighties to fill tankers

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<v Speaker 1>up with water and ship at wholesale to California or

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<v Speaker 1>even Saudi Arabia. Needless to say, all of those plans

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<v Speaker 1>have fallen flat, with the one exception of the fish

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<v Speaker 1>farming company whose employees gave you a ride. Any business

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<v Speaker 1>plan for Ocean Falls eventually ends up in front of

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<v Speaker 1>Brent Case. He's the operation manager for bor Alex in

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<v Speaker 1>British Columbia. I had talked to Brent before flying up

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<v Speaker 1>to Ocean Falls and he spotted me and Jackie when

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<v Speaker 1>we got off the plane. He walked over to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>himself once we landed in Bellabella Galls. Yeah, Brent's basically

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin's opposite. Can be hard sometimes to get Kevin to

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<v Speaker 1>talk much, but Brent would talk all day if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't interrupt him. Kevin likes the city. Brent describes himself

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<v Speaker 1>as a bush person and he loves to regale people

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<v Speaker 1>with stories about ravens or mountain lions or bears that

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<v Speaker 1>he's interacted with over the years. Brent has spent decades

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<v Speaker 1>up and down this coast, in the small towns and

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<v Speaker 1>the woods in between them. He first came to Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>Falls in the mid eighties when he was helping string

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<v Speaker 1>a transmission line from the power plant at the dam

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<v Speaker 1>to a few of the neighboring towns. He's now something

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<v Speaker 1>of a local celebrity. He bought the biggest house Notion

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<v Speaker 1>Falls and has poured a lot of time and money

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<v Speaker 1>into fixing it up. His star rose even more after

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<v Speaker 1>he survived a grizzly bear attack. I was just finishing

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<v Speaker 1>up my engineering and I was heading back to the

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<v Speaker 1>truck and he uh jumped me on my arm and

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<v Speaker 1>ripped the elbow. He bitten the humbol's arms and then

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<v Speaker 1>ripped this out from here right over the head. If

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<v Speaker 1>it did you google? Did you google? And google? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I did a show with the Animal Planet. That

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<v Speaker 1>incident with the bear inspired a wave of local and

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<v Speaker 1>even international media coverage. Then around, Brent's phone suddenly started

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<v Speaker 1>ringing off the hook in a way it never had before.

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<v Speaker 1>The people were calling in search of places to set

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<v Speaker 1>up bitcoin mines. Bitcoin mining was becoming increasingly lucrative as

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<v Speaker 1>the price sword, especially if you can find a place

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<v Speaker 1>like Ocean Falls where the cost of power is extremely cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>A large proportion of bitcoin mining was happening in China,

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<v Speaker 1>but for many prospective miners, the idea of doing business

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada was much more attractive. You know, I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>companies from Texas, New Jersey, California, Washington, Steed. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Brenton no the first thing about bitcoin. One one company

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<v Speaker 1>from Australia, I mean, one from Argentina, I mean. And

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't take him long to realize that most of

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<v Speaker 1>the people calling him had no clue how to pull

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<v Speaker 1>off what they were proposing. A lot of the blotching

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<v Speaker 1>people and bitcoin people and you name it. They think

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<v Speaker 1>they can come in and do a project without you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing their homework. A lot of speculation, but brent also

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<v Speaker 1>saw himself as Ocean Fall's main booster. He knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the longer the town went on in its semi dormant state,

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger the chance was that it would never recover.

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<v Speaker 1>And after seeing so many other business ideas full flat.

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<v Speaker 1>Brent thought these clueless people blowing up his phone to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some esoteric technology trend might be worth taking

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<v Speaker 1>a flyer. On the first night we were in Ocean Falls,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and I walked up to Kevin's home to meet

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<v Speaker 1>with Kevin, Brent, and one of Brent's colleagues, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Alistair Howard. This is the house you mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that Brent had fixed up. Kevin recently bought

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<v Speaker 1>it from him. Yeah, it's a really odd place. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you get inside the house, it feels like a suburban home.

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<v Speaker 1>There's new floors, a nice kitchen, even a huge flat

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<v Speaker 1>screen TV. But to get there, Jack and I walked

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<v Speaker 1>down a street where most of the other buildings were

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<v Speaker 1>basically just rubble, and then we bush whacked our way

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<v Speaker 1>up a steep trail through some brush to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the door. Is that like little deer path? Really? The

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<v Speaker 1>way we're supposed to get here? Could be? I've never

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<v Speaker 1>had anyone actually comes through the front door before, even

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<v Speaker 1>with Kevin sitting there. Brennan Alistair were pretty open about

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<v Speaker 1>how skeptical they were of him at first. Here again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's one another one of these I thought, hair brained ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we did we need in Vancouver first, Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>definitely didn't change Brent's mind by coming off like someone

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<v Speaker 1>who knew what he was talking about. When he first

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<v Speaker 1>called in late Kevin didn't know much about electricity, he

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<v Speaker 1>knew nothing about dams, and he had no experience navigating

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<v Speaker 1>the shipping channels that on up and down the sparsely

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<v Speaker 1>populated parts of Canada's West coast. But Kevin was asking

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<v Speaker 1>the right questions and Brent was looking for someone anyone

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<v Speaker 1>really to get excited about Kevin would do with this

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<v Speaker 1>foot Finally in the door, Kevin developed a pretty simple strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Who just asked Brent for help with everything. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the challenges that you you face here or not

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<v Speaker 1>things that you can just sort of solve look on

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<v Speaker 1>your own by you know, just doing a Google search

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<v Speaker 1>and like, well how do I get this in here

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<v Speaker 1>or do that? It's all sort of like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Brent knows a guy for everything, right, so if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a problem, it's like I know a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>could do that. I know someone who could get this

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<v Speaker 1>in here. I know who you could do this. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was really clever on Kevin's part. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>took Brent's enthusiasm about the town and used it to

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<v Speaker 1>turn him into a kind of spokesperson within Bora Lax

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<v Speaker 1>for Kevin's company, which he named Ocean Falls Blockchain. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hurt that Bitcoin just kept getting more and more exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>The price rose from about four hundred dollars in late

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<v Speaker 1>when Kevin started making his first inquiries with Ocean Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>A year later, the price would be closing in on

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand dollars. Kevin wasn't the only person calling Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>but most people would call him once realize how hard

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<v Speaker 1>this would be and disappear. Some I call a few

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<v Speaker 1>times before fading away, But Alistair remembers how Kevin just

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<v Speaker 1>never stopped dialing the phone. I just remember so many

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<v Speaker 1>times you would tell me Kevin's calling again. I'm like again.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Kevin became so persistent that he turned into

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<v Speaker 1>something of a myth inside the company. At a certain point,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin went to Toronto and cold called Patrick Lamaire, the

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<v Speaker 1>president of Bolax, to ask for a meeting. And Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>already knew who he was when I sat down with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, like I said, well, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>really gonna move ahead on this project, and he said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's why I want to meet with you, because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see if you were like a real

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<v Speaker 1>person being here hearing about your name while this time.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's nothing's ever happened. It's been two years, so

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<v Speaker 1>are are you real? Is it's really going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick had a decision to make. Should he agree to

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<v Speaker 1>sell cheap electricity to Kevin? The bitcoin mine might work

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<v Speaker 1>out well as a business, but it was unlikely to

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<v Speaker 1>make much of a difference to Bora ax Kevin's plans

0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.520
<v Speaker 1>were to make just under six million dollars in revenue.

0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Bora axes annual revenue is about three fifty million, but

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<v Speaker 1>the utility didn't have a lot of other options for

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<v Speaker 1>ocean falls. Bora lex Is only using two of the

0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.640
<v Speaker 1>dam's four turbines because there would be nowhere else to

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<v Speaker 1>send the electricity they'd produce. So Kevin secured his deal

0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.120
<v Speaker 1>to buy hydro electric power from Bora Lax at a

0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.240
<v Speaker 1>heavily discounted rate. This was basically an incentive to get

0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.160
<v Speaker 1>him to set up his business in a place that

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<v Speaker 1>would otherwise not make much sense. Neither Kevin nor Brent

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to discuss the specific price. That's probably because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so low. According to a presentation and showed investors in February,

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<v Speaker 1>it was less than four cents per kill a lot hour.

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<v Speaker 1>That's less than half the rate boro Lex charged to

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<v Speaker 1>ship power to Bella Bella even back in the rates

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<v Speaker 1>solo that the head of another bitcoin mining operation in

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<v Speaker 1>the area described it as almost free. The power from

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<v Speaker 1>the Ocean Falls Damn had another advantage. Bitcoin miners are

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<v Speaker 1>coming up for increasing criticism for burning through massive amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of energy just as the world is trying to fight

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<v Speaker 1>climate change. But hydro electricity doesn't create carbon emissions, and

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<v Speaker 1>this power literally had no other use. Now, all Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>had to do was figure out how to get hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually thousands of computers from China, along with heavy

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<v Speaker 1>equipment to power them all the way to Ocean Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>We brought them in Vancouver and then we trucked them

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<v Speaker 1>up from there. There's a truck road somewhere if you

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<v Speaker 1>need it. No, there's no road into Ocean Falls. Uh um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can come in on the on the ferry, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what we did. It's kind of a full day things.

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned, before you know. We loaded them on

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<v Speaker 1>the truck at the airport and then set the operation

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<v Speaker 1>up in an old paper mill that had been falling

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<v Speaker 1>apart for decades. But he did it. Finally, this July,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin flipped on the first few servers. Kevin's bitcoin mine

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<v Speaker 1>has been reverberating through Ocean Falls ever since Kevin first

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<v Speaker 1>came to town, and not just because you can hear

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<v Speaker 1>the humming of the fans far away from the building.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of assumed the cryptocurrency boom would have passed

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean Falls by completely, but that wasn't really true. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin and I visited one of the only public businesses

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<v Speaker 1>in town. It's a local bar. It's open every Monday, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and Friday from four pm. The seven pm gets packed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy sitting next to me said he had

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<v Speaker 1>a friend who was mining cryptocurrencies in Asia. Still, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people didn't really seem to know what it was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even like my granddaughters understand it. Yeah, not me. Know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a new technology. Yeah, and as you get older,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't at least I don't pick up on it

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<v Speaker 1>very fast. Well, I mean you gotta, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>something you're interested into yeah, like right now, especially now,

0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.199
<v Speaker 1>because it's very techy right now. It's just like the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet was in the early nineties. It was there, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was really techy, you know it six I took

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<v Speaker 1>computer programming, yeah, all right on, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh like fortran kind of stuff for right for now,

0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.320
<v Speaker 1>many residents are hopeful that the bitcoin mine will help

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<v Speaker 1>turn things around. Kevin's construction work did provide a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of jobs, but those went to crews that came in

0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.600
<v Speaker 1>on boats from the Vancouver area. That's been good for Tony,

0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>the woman who runs the boarding house, but she framed

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<v Speaker 1>the main impact as more psychological than economic. It always

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<v Speaker 1>puts that air of positivity in in into the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes a big difference. We have a very

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<v Speaker 1>aging population here, and when I say aging, I mean

0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.639
<v Speaker 1>seventy and and up. So there's not a lot of energy,

0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:07.000
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of enthusiasm for anything new, to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you the truth, So I just would like to attract

0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.879
<v Speaker 1>some younger people to come in. There is a post

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<v Speaker 1>office and a government run ferry stop in town, but

0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Ocean Falls doesn't have enough people to support any private

0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.360
<v Speaker 1>businesses except for the bar. Really if you can believe it.

0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.760
<v Speaker 1>There isn't even a grocery store in Ocean Falls right now.

0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.680
<v Speaker 1>We're barging in all of our groceries from Port Hardy.

0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:35.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a two week process to get from time you

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<v Speaker 1>order your groceries to the time you get them here.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin's business isn't changing that for now. It's too small.

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<v Speaker 1>He's currently using under a mega watt of power at

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean Falls. Big bitcoin mining operations are measured in the

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<v Speaker 1>dozens or hundreds of mega watts. But even if Kevin's

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<v Speaker 1>business does take off and gets bigger, it's not clear

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<v Speaker 1>that it's impact on Ocean Falls will grow. He is

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<v Speaker 1>tony again. If Ocean Falls become in the meantime more

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<v Speaker 1>recognizable to outsiders who see it as a place to

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<v Speaker 1>come that's viable, it may be just that springboard that

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<v Speaker 1>they need, you know, to come in, and and it

0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 1>can perpetuate after that. So do I see blockchain is

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<v Speaker 1>being the I think once it's up and running, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to have a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 1>are needed. They haven't said, but I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>many people does it take to keep a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>computers running? Probably not more than just a couple, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't even have to be here full time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something of a pattern. Governments and other places

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<v Speaker 1>that have attracted attention from bitcoin mine is have been

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated once they realize how little chance there is for

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<v Speaker 1>anything resembling real economic development. This isn't just a bitcoin problem.

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<v Speaker 1>A bitcoin mine is basically just a data center, and

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<v Speaker 1>companies that run data centers for other purposes have also

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<v Speaker 1>offered mixed benefits for the out of the way locations

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>they've set up. In another version of the story have

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<v Speaker 1>been the places where a defunct shopping mall, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>will be filled with computer service and buildings that used

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<v Speaker 1>to house dozens or hundreds of retail jobs have become

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<v Speaker 1>places where wealth is generated for people living elsewhere, while

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<v Speaker 1>offering basically no employment opportunities for the locals. Now, to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair to Kevin, he didn't promise to create lots

0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.879
<v Speaker 1>of local jobs, but he did have plans to expand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he wanted to grow the size of his

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<v Speaker 1>existing mind and even to get into other types of businesses,

0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like he wants to use the heat from the computers

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.159
<v Speaker 1>to warm up the water and the fish hatchery or

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<v Speaker 1>to develop novel technology for cooling computer servers that he

0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 1>could presumably sell to other businesses. He's also talked about

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<v Speaker 1>using the paper mill as a kind of working retreat

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.320
<v Speaker 1>for coders working on cryptocurrency projects, and now that might

0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.399
<v Speaker 1>be pleasant, but it's not clear how likely it is

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Some of these ideas might work out and

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<v Speaker 1>bring new life to ocean falls, but Kevin's got lots

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to worry about before then, throughout there was this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>run up in the price of bitcoin. It surpassed nineteen

0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars at the end of last year. This year

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 1>has been brutal, though. The cryptocurrency is now sinking below

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.359
<v Speaker 1>eight thousand and down more than six percent in the

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.879
<v Speaker 1>last week, and it's getting technical analysts spooked that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin has further to fall than we've even seen this week,

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.639
<v Speaker 1>or people are gonna become very fearful and you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see even further liquidation as people begin to understand

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.679
<v Speaker 1>that the bloom is off the rose. As of this taping,

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<v Speaker 1>the price of bitcoin is around six thousand, four hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, a handful of bitcoin mining companies had raised

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<v Speaker 1>money by going public on Canada's junior stock exchanges, Ocean

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Falls Blockchain had plans to do the same thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that presentation that Kevin showed investors in February, it based

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<v Speaker 1>its financial projections on bitcoin being worth eleven thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>back in April, when the price had fallen to about

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Kevin whether he was worried at the time.

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.880
<v Speaker 1>He shrugged it off. You know, like Warren Buffet doesn't

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.920
<v Speaker 1>look at stock traces every day. You know, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>at the long term sort of picture of where potential

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<v Speaker 1>for companies. Looking at someone like that as an example,

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, he expands his business when you know people

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 1>aren't interested to concerning companies that he sees the longer

0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>term potential. But it's clear that the price of bitcoin

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 1>has impacted his plans. Kevin's company decided against going public

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>because the interest in businesses like his had largely dried up.

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 1>He says this shouldn't be a problem and he'll find

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 1>money elsewhere as he needs it. But investors know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a point at which it would become unprofitable to

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<v Speaker 1>keep mining bitcoin. Mosaic, a research firm focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency industry, puts that price at five thousand dollars on average.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Kevin if there was a low price at

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<v Speaker 1>which it wouldn't be profitable for him to mind bitcoin anymore.

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.640
<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't have one in mind, and instead

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>he offered an optimistic rationale for how dropping prices might

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>actually be a good thing for him. Here's the thought process.

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<v Speaker 1>New bitcoins are dolled out regularly. The more minors there

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>are competing for them, the fewer bitcoins each minor gets

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>for the same amount of work. If the price drops

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 1>low enough that some people turn off their computers, the

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 1>remaining miners will have an easier time their profits rise

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>even if the price doesn't so. In theory, this helps

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the entire system constantly find the right equilibrium, and Kevin

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.919
<v Speaker 1>thinks he can power through the lean times when weaker

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>businesses will have to drop out. It's good for everybody

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>when the first goes up. From competition standpoint, it's actually

0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 1>helps separate us a little bit, because we again, efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>is our big thing. Before leaving Ocean Falls, I discovered

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that Kevin's dealing with a second complication to his business plan,

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>even though he's one Brent over bora lax is an

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>actually selling Kevin as much power as he was hoping for.

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>His initial plans called for them to sell him six

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>megawats of power by the end of this year. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna get anywhere close to that, and that's because

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Bora Lax is facing questions about the economics of operating

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the damn in Ocean Falls. Situation is complicated, but it

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>involves the rate that bore Alex charges to sell power

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>to the town of Bellabella. We said earlier, the rate

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 1>is far higher than what Kevin's business pays. Bor Alex

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<v Speaker 1>is currently having a dispute with BC Hydro, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>public utility in the area that buys the power headed

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 1>for Bellabella, and until that is settled, bor Alex doesn't

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>want to commit to selling Kevin the amount of power

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that would allow him to grow Ocean Falls blockchain. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said, Bora Lax is giving Kevin a steep

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 1>subsidy for power because it needs an incentive to get

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>him to come to Ocean Falls. But one upshot of

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<v Speaker 1>the negotiation with BC Hydro could be that regulators require

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Borelax to charge Kevin much more. You know, you do

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>your best to sort of navigate sort of those those

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>those political type of waters. But at the end of

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the day, it's not something we have, you know, we

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>don't make the final say and things like that. This

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>speaks to a bigger question facing utility companies, especially utilities

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>that have facilities in remote places like northwestern Canada, what

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>is their policy on cryptocurrencies? In Quebec, regulators want to

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<v Speaker 1>increase the rate that miners pay for power. I think

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<v Speaker 1>right now you're seeing it all over the place. You

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.640
<v Speaker 1>look at what's happening in places like Washington State where

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of minors on the on the

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Columbia River there, and you know, there's a lot of

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 1>there were there. There's a lot of pushback from from

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<v Speaker 1>the government and from other businesses and that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that gets us back to this original question

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<v Speaker 1>of what the public gets out of having a bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>mine in town. Right in a place like Ocean Falls,

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<v Speaker 1>the utility seems to have a clear incentive to bring

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<v Speaker 1>a new customer in. It has this power, it can't

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<v Speaker 1>sell it, and here's someone who's willing to buy it,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's just good. But what if there's other

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to buy the power? Too, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a question that many utilities, many small towns in other

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<v Speaker 1>places are facing. Right. And once you've decided we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to sell this power to a data center because there's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of economic benefit, there really is a question

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<v Speaker 1>what the benefit is. These places don't employ people, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not clear why another business would have to set up nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>and you may just end up having energy consumer and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else. Right, there's no need for dependent businesses like

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants or hotels to spring up um And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pertinent question now that towns are falling over themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>offer incentives to tech companies that are promising to bring investment.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is one bitcoin specific question that we should

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<v Speaker 1>deal with here too as well. Though I think most

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<v Speaker 1>people think that Amazon's data centers or whatever are going

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<v Speaker 1>to definitely be around in a couple of years, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a question about whether or not a bitcoin mine

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<v Speaker 1>would be around in a couple of years. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a really volatile asset. It's speculative business, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>clear if selling your energy to a company like Kevin's

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be any good for you in two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years down the road. And is that something

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<v Speaker 1>you asked Kevin about Yeah, I did. He is an

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic guy and said that, of course it would be

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<v Speaker 1>bad if bitcoin went to zero, but no one thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen, and he's in it for the

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<v Speaker 1>long haul. It took a long time to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work to set this up. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to build another substation somewhere else like

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<v Speaker 1>this is. You know, I want to start running the

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<v Speaker 1>business now. You know, obviously, if a bitcoin collapsed and

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<v Speaker 1>when it came nothing, obviously that's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>good for us. It's not gonna be good for for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that that's uh. I think everybody agrees

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<v Speaker 1>that that that's that's very unlikely, but it's good at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you know, we believe it's it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do very well in the long term, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be a straight line and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go up, and it's kind of in the way down,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's taking Ocean Falls along for the ride. Three

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<v Speaker 1>of a century made its place and his to read

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<v Speaker 1>it will never be in that emold Oan Falls, but

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<v Speaker 1>it delves into every sodden daughter that's been in the Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>People are gone, but the sphere lives on. I was

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<v Speaker 1>born right here in this very spot. You can see

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<v Speaker 1>the pride in their eyes. I remember this. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that? Here? The school caught fire? And that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week's Decrypted. Thanks for listening. We always want

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<v Speaker 1>us find new listeners. This episode was produced by piagod

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<v Speaker 1>Carry and Magnus Hendrickson, with help from Austin Weinstein. Our

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<v Speaker 1>story editor was Emily Busso. Thanks to Big Jim Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>for letting us use his song about It, which can

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<v Speaker 1>falls in this episode. I also wrote an article about

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin and Brent. You can read it at Bloomberg dot

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<v Speaker 1>on that story. Francesca Levie is head of Bloomberg Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you next week.