Speaker 1: Sauce on the side. What's up, It's Gandhi with my
Speaker 1: lovely producer Diamond Heather. Hi, we have someone on this
Speaker 1: show today. I'm super excited about because one, I'm always
Speaker 1: excited about every guests that we have on. But two,
Speaker 1: he was the first guest on my podcast. He kicked
Speaker 1: it off Bertie Gregory.
Speaker 2: What great?
Speaker 1: Well were you confused? Did you not think he was
Speaker 1: a first guest?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was a first Okay, who did
Speaker 1: you think it was?
Speaker 2: I thought it was the guy who shouit it on
Speaker 2: me about my dating profile because he has face but
Speaker 2: I can't see real haird Freed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was like way down the long whoa.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Bertie came in first. We did the whole
Speaker 1: can I touch it? Thing? Oh, and that's where everything
Speaker 1: sort of started. But now that you are saying this,
Speaker 1: you're making me want to go check all of the episodes.
Speaker 1: But since Bertie came in, because he came in to
Speaker 1: talk about a series called Animals up Close, which I
Speaker 1: was fascinated by. He talked about elephants and the Galapagus Islands,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, and he won at least one
Speaker 1: Emmy If not more for that specific show. So I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. I was so proud of him. He was
Speaker 1: really hoping that a season two would come out, so
Speaker 1: I would love to see if that's actually happening. But
Speaker 1: he's here to talk about something called The Secrets of
Speaker 1: the Penguins. I believe Secrets of the Penguins it's a
Speaker 1: three part, really fascinating little series. I know that you're
Speaker 1: not really a big penguin person because you hate animals
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, but I think there's some really fun
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. If you had to talk to
Speaker 1: him by yourself when I wasn't here, what would you
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 2: I would ask the most interesting thing he saw on
Speaker 2: his adventures, okay, and probably try to get him outside
Speaker 2: of talking about animals, like, you know, okay, actually saw
Speaker 2: the sky light up in a specific way, and then
Speaker 2: show me a picture maybe, or tell me a good
Speaker 2: story about why he doesn't take his phone to a
Speaker 2: specific point and he just wants to enjoy of you.
Speaker 2: Well blah blah blah. Okay, I don't want to know
Speaker 2: about animals because I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you want to find out more about Bertie
Speaker 1: the person?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first episode, Can I Touch It? Welcome to
Speaker 1: Sauce on the Side. On this week's episode, Condy talks
Speaker 1: with wildlife photographer Bertie Gregory about what it's really like
Speaker 1: to create something. Huh interesting.
Speaker 2: What was the date?
Speaker 1: That was? February twelfth? Wow, of Year of Our Lord
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. I think twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, time's
Speaker 1: just flying, man, I didn't know it was February twelfth.
Speaker 1: I thought we released in April either or in uh January.
Speaker 2: I think the promos started running in January.
Speaker 1: Huh. And here we are a whole year later and
Speaker 1: now we're going to have a spinoff podcast. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. Do you think the spinoff podcast that
Speaker 1: we recorded should be a spinoff? Like that's the first spinoff?
Speaker 1: Or should we introduce it as a Sauce on the
Speaker 1: Side episode so everybody listens to it and then tell
Speaker 1: them it's a spinoff. No, we could cross promote, we
Speaker 1: could do it twice, we could release it in both places.
Speaker 1: We just really need to come up with a name
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: That's the hardest thing ever. Like, I don't understand how
Speaker 2: people even come up with names for their children, because
Speaker 2: you like start like how is it that you just
Speaker 2: come up with a name and you stick with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand how people name their
Speaker 1: kids before they meet them. I don't think I could
Speaker 1: ever do that. Like, you just pick diamond, but you've
Speaker 1: never met Diamond. I mean, obviously you are a diamond.
Speaker 1: I'm very used to you being Diamond. But I just
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, like, before a child is on this planet,
Speaker 1: being like, this is the name this person's gonna have.
Speaker 1: Oh my parents did that, though I think most parents
Speaker 1: do that. I think I'm the only freak that would
Speaker 1: be like, let's leave that birth certificate on unfilled, uncompleted, well,
Speaker 1: you know, incomplete.
Speaker 2: I heard that, and this could be not this could
Speaker 2: just be this person's story. But I heard a few
Speaker 2: years ago that someone I knew their community, the Jewish
Speaker 2: community that she specifically was a part of, they don't
Speaker 2: name their child until they meet them. Oh, so, I'm
Speaker 2: like to me, I don't know if all Jewish people
Speaker 2: do that, but I think it has something to do
Speaker 2: with like the way they view life. So maybe, but also, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: what if my parents met me and they were like,
Speaker 2: her name isn't diamond?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my name I thought you were a diamond, but
Speaker 1: now I meet you and you look more like a
Speaker 1: snack's I don't know, Okay, Well, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that's how it would work. Though.
Speaker 2: Well, Henry thought my name was gonna be PEPSI.
Speaker 1: I wish you would have been a.
Speaker 3: Diamond.
Speaker 1: That's fine, okay, I wonder if no. You just said
Speaker 1: you don't know if all, I'm sure there are other
Speaker 1: cultures that do the same thing. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I have a tough time with baby showers because in
Speaker 1: my culture, it's bad luck to give a gift to
Speaker 1: something that has not yet been born, because just what
Speaker 1: if something bad happens and then you have all of
Speaker 1: these things to just remind you of that all the time.
Speaker 1: So in my dream world, I wouldn't give you a
Speaker 1: gift until the baby is born. But people get really
Speaker 1: offended by that. Yeah, it doesn't matter if I explain
Speaker 1: it or not. So I'm like, fine, here have your graft,
Speaker 1: good luck. I hope everything's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just give a gift card. Go by diapers
Speaker 2: when the time is right, you know, if you go.
Speaker 2: I'm not good at gifts anyway.
Speaker 1: So you want to know what else, baby showers are
Speaker 1: my least favorite event to attend.
Speaker 2: Oh I love it because I get to get drunk
Speaker 2: while the mom camp so cheers to that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, I have to watch you open all
Speaker 1: these presents. I don't care. People still do this. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. The last one I went to, they opened
Speaker 1: every guest.
Speaker 2: No, don't stop doing that. Guys, go home, go home
Speaker 2: and do it.
Speaker 1: I was like at birthday parties when you were little
Speaker 1: and they would open all the guests. I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't care. I want a cake, right, give.
Speaker 1: Me the cake, give me pizza. Let me get back
Speaker 1: on this roller skating rink. Shit was good. Remember when
Speaker 1: we were all gonna go roller skating as a show.
Speaker 1: Did it ever happen? He did?
Speaker 2: I didn't go on my birthday? Oh, how was it
Speaker 2: so much fun? We should do that again?
Speaker 1: That was so much fell down.
Speaker 2: I think Josh fell. Josh definitely fell. I think I
Speaker 2: have a video of him. And then COVID was spread.
Speaker 1: Do you know No, I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was another instance of scary spreading COVID
Speaker 2: without actually getting tested to prove that he had it.
Speaker 2: Remember Deanna and I?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that was from Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Oh actually I spread it. Sorry okay, but he never
Speaker 2: got tested, even though Dianna, he and Diana were in
Speaker 2: the same car and Deanna ended up having it. I
Speaker 2: had it, he didn't have it.
Speaker 1: It's also just really fun to blame him for all
Speaker 1: the COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his fault because he.
Speaker 1: Won't He will never get tested. And let's never forget
Speaker 1: the time that we all told him he had COVID
Speaker 1: because he was hacking and gagging and sniffing and you know,
Speaker 1: licking his finger and touching all the papers and doing whatever.
Speaker 1: And he said, no, I don't and ten days later
Speaker 1: he sent us a COVID test. I just want to
Speaker 1: know what happened in his brain that he thought that
Speaker 1: was appropriate ten days later, be like, see you guys,
Speaker 1: I don't have it. Well, du you don't have it.
Speaker 1: You've cycled through and now everyone else has it. What
Speaker 1: that was crazy?
Speaker 2: You need to sit him down. That is probably the
Speaker 2: most anticipated episode of Sauce on the Side for me
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean have him on the podcast?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Okay, maybe please, I'm begging you, Okay, it's possible.
Speaker 1: Let's see what this text message is that Bertie's here? No, Andrew,
Speaker 1: did I leave my water in the studio? No?
Speaker 2: You did not.
Speaker 1: Don't even reply to him. But I'm excited for Bertie,
Speaker 1: so I say, let's just bring him in.
Speaker 3: Sure, Mary had little lamb, her fleece was white to
Speaker 3: snow Everett.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm good. Hello, Hello, Okay, all right, Bertie Gregory,
Speaker 1: welcome back. I am so excited because one you were
Speaker 1: the first guest on my podcast ever and it's been
Speaker 1: going really well ever since you came here. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna consider you my good luck charm, and I'm really
Speaker 1: happy that you decided to circle back because there's a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about since you were here last. So
Speaker 1: last time you were here, we spoke about your series
Speaker 1: that was coming out at the time, Animals Up Close.
Speaker 1: How has that gone because I saw you on a
Speaker 1: few Emmys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gone pretty good. Uh Yeah, the reception from
Speaker 3: people that's just been epic and very grateful. And Nagio
Speaker 3: greenlit a second season of the show, so that's always
Speaker 3: a good sign. So yeah, we've been working on that,
Speaker 3: which has been a lot of fun, and I'm excited
Speaker 3: for people to see that new season.
Speaker 1: How long because I know we talked about how long
Speaker 1: it took you to film some of these other episodes
Speaker 1: for the first season, and that was a year ago,
Speaker 1: So how long is this going to take you to
Speaker 1: complete season two?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So we typically spend about a month to one
Speaker 3: and a half months per episode in the field for
Speaker 3: Animals up Close. So we have done half the episodes
Speaker 3: and we've got half to go. But you'll see the
Speaker 3: role that's going to be a little bit different to
Speaker 3: last time. So yeah, even though we're only halfway to
Speaker 3: the episodes, you'll be saying it sooner than you think.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not going to get them all at once.
Speaker 3: I can't give you too many specifics. Mickey Mouse will
Speaker 3: hand me down, but yeah, I'm sure you can use
Speaker 3: your imagination and join.
Speaker 1: The dots fair enough. So are you able to say
Speaker 1: what the first episode, which animal you'll be focusing on.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not no. No. Sadly they've said I'm
Speaker 3: here and can chat freely about about about the new
Speaker 3: show's secrets of the penguins, but Animals up Close is
Speaker 3: forbidden ground for now. Wowkay, which just means I have
Speaker 3: to come back again, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Open door anytime. You want to come in, I would
Speaker 1: love to have you. So let's talk about animals up
Speaker 1: close winning these Emmys. First of all, did you ever
Speaker 1: expect that to happen? Because when I saw it, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, it was pretty It's pretty epic. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very surreal being there. And I was actually
Speaker 3: sat next to Cake Boss if you're if you're familiar
Speaker 3: with his work, which was around here, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: He's from across the river, right, yeah, yeah, her broken guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was good, fun, told me all about his cake
Speaker 3: vending machines, which was cool, but just yeah, be uh.
Speaker 3: I guess awarded on on. I guess it's such a
Speaker 3: broad spectrum of shows, like I'm used to going to
Speaker 3: like awards ceremonies for animal animal shows where you sort
Speaker 3: of know everyone and you're all sort of on the
Speaker 3: same playing field, whereas, yeah, it's cool to be I
Speaker 3: guess in a very mainstream awards ceremony and it was
Speaker 3: great to come away with the award.
Speaker 1: So you've got to go to the actual ceremony. Did
Speaker 1: you get to get up on stage or was this
Speaker 1: the ones that they announced before? Like, how does that work,
Speaker 1: because I know these shows are kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, so yeah, yeah, they announced both the episodes, sorry,
Speaker 3: both awards there and yeah we went up on stage
Speaker 3: and ye had to give a little little pow wow
Speaker 3: and yeah it was. It was great to celebrate it
Speaker 3: with some of the team and yeah, cool boost for
Speaker 3: this new season.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how does that work as far as the
Speaker 1: actual award goes. Does each member of your team get
Speaker 1: an award? Do you have to get you get a
Speaker 1: few and then you have to buy the rest?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, all good and very specific questions. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: how it works is depending on the category you are,
Speaker 3: you name some names. So, for example, in the cinematography category,
Speaker 3: I think you could name four or five of the
Speaker 3: people that shot on the series. And yeah, so we
Speaker 3: came away on the day with one for that category.
Speaker 3: But then then they make you up a bunch of
Speaker 3: budget trophies. So we all we all got one.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know.
Speaker 3: Do whatever with at home, put in a private place.
Speaker 1: What did you do with it?
Speaker 3: Well, because I got two probably shouldn't be admitting this,
Speaker 3: but the first one is in like a like a
Speaker 3: you know, a course, a cool spot, and the second
Speaker 3: one is actually like a toilet roll holder. It is not, yeah,
Speaker 3: because that's like if you've got you've got to spare one,
Speaker 3: you've got to do something cool with it.
Speaker 1: It is going to see that. Wow, that's crazy. Well, congratulations,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And it has opened.
Speaker 3: And that is the last time I ever win one,
Speaker 3: because I've just admitted that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure people have.
Speaker 3: I'm very happy to take a third.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no doubt that there is someone in
Speaker 1: Hollywood somewhere who has pawned that thing in a pawn shop,
Speaker 1: which is a far worse fate than the toilet area.
Speaker 1: That's great. So now it's opened the door for a
Speaker 1: lot more cool stuff for you. And you're working on
Speaker 1: Secrets of the Penguins. When did you start filming this?
Speaker 3: Secrets of the Penguins. So we were filming that over
Speaker 3: a two year period. So we started filming that I
Speaker 3: pretty much finished and the last season of Animals Up
Speaker 3: Close and then we went straight onto to Secrets of
Speaker 3: So that was that was awesome, And you know, I
Speaker 3: was pretty nervous starting on it because the Secret Soft
Speaker 3: franchise is a massive brand for National Geographic. It's it's
Speaker 3: I think the most successful nature series executive produced by
Speaker 3: James Cameron. You know this, the last season wasn't arrated
Speaker 3: by Paul Rudd, pretty squorny weaver before that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a big thing to be part of.
Speaker 3: And I was worried because penguins, I think people are
Speaker 3: pretty familiar with, and they've been filmed a lot before,
Speaker 3: you know, March of the Penguins, loads of iconic documentaries,
Speaker 3: and also I know firsthand, having filmed them a lot,
Speaker 3: that they live in really hard places to film. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so if you call a series Secrets of the Penguins,
Speaker 3: you're kind of setting expectations pretty higher high, but incredibly
Speaker 3: I mean, we had a lot of time in the field,
Speaker 3: and that is always the key to filming new crazy behavior.
Speaker 3: Every shot we went on. You know, I thought I
Speaker 3: knew penguins. I was so wrong. They just every time
Speaker 3: I thought they'd hit their limit, they just do something crazy.
Speaker 1: So, okay, a couple questions based on that. First of all,
Speaker 1: what is it like to get to the penguins, because
Speaker 1: they do live in very difficult terrain? How did you
Speaker 1: navigate that and how long does it take?
Speaker 3: Completely depends on the species. So the first episode is
Speaker 3: all about emperor penguins, which is kind of the most
Speaker 3: iconic species, the biggest one it can be, you know,
Speaker 3: four feet tall and yeah, it's a big animal. So
Speaker 3: we film them in a place called Atkoba and Antarctica,
Speaker 3: which is yeah, pretty much the middle of nowhere, and
Speaker 3: we were camping next to the colony. We were about
Speaker 3: a mile from the colony, and so a typical day
Speaker 3: would be wake up, makes some We had like dehydrated food,
Speaker 3: you know that you add water too. We had awesome
Speaker 3: like ca camp manager called Nick who would do that
Speaker 3: boil the snow to get water, and then we'd take
Speaker 3: our snowmobills over to the penguin colony and just like
Speaker 3: hang out with penguins and then come home and repeat that.
Speaker 3: And you know, at the time of year that we
Speaker 3: were filming it, it was twenty four hour daylight, so
Speaker 3: we were actually filming at night because that's when the
Speaker 3: sun just kind of hovers around the horizon. So you
Speaker 3: know like golden hour that you get as sunset, you
Speaker 3: get like golden eight hours. Oh wow, it's just like
Speaker 3: imagine sunset, but for hours and hours an hour, So
Speaker 3: it's kind of the filmmaker's dream and then we'd sleep
Speaker 3: in the in the daytime when the sun's high and
Speaker 3: the light's really harsh.
Speaker 1: How cold is it?
Speaker 3: It got pretty cold, so on our shoot we had
Speaker 3: around minus thirty. But my colleagues who did another shoot
Speaker 3: which was two hundred and seventy four days long. By
Speaker 3: the way, the shoot they did, they were in Antarctica
Speaker 3: with the emperors for two hundred and seventy four days.
Speaker 3: Didn't see their friends and family for that amount of time.
Speaker 1: Food.
Speaker 3: No, they were actually working with a German research based
Speaker 3: down there, so they were on a on a station,
Speaker 3: which was cool. But they had a film day when
Speaker 3: it was minus fifty four degrees celsius, so I don't
Speaker 3: know what that is in fahrenheit. Also very cold. I
Speaker 3: think minus minus forty celsius is minus forty fahrenheit. That's
Speaker 3: when the scales overlaps, so it's cold.
Speaker 1: It's very cold. And do you prepare your body for
Speaker 1: this before you go? Is there any type of conditioning
Speaker 1: that you have to do or you just say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wing this.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to wing it? Good pay England
Speaker 3: pun though that's the first one of many, I hope,
Speaker 3: So it kind of depends. I mean, really the preparation
Speaker 3: mainly is in your clothing, but certainly for the underwater stuff,
Speaker 3: the underwater part of the film, that's the stuff that
Speaker 3: you really need to train for because the water is very,
Speaker 3: very cold, and you know, in the case of our shoot,
Speaker 3: because we were camping and diving, you know, under the ice,
Speaker 3: you don't really have a place to warm up, so
Speaker 3: you need to be a lot more conservative than you
Speaker 3: would be normally. You know, if you get really cold,
Speaker 3: it's going to take you a really long time to
Speaker 3: warm up. So I did a lot of cold water training,
Speaker 3: so everything from you know, swimming and swimming and the
Speaker 3: sea and stuff. But the easiest way that idea is
Speaker 3: with just a cold shower. So put the shower on
Speaker 3: like full cold, stick my head under it, and then
Speaker 3: try do my times tables, because it's a good way
Speaker 3: of kind of training your brain to like do stuff
Speaker 3: and kind of block out the cold, which is what
Speaker 3: you need to do when you're when you're underwater filming,
Speaker 3: you need to block out the cold, focus on what
Speaker 3: the penguins are doing and holding the holding the camera.
Speaker 3: So I'd like start with a couple of minutes, and
Speaker 3: then every day add you know, fifteen to twenty seconds,
Speaker 3: and then by the end could do I don't know,
Speaker 3: several minutes without getting too cold.
Speaker 1: How long were you underwater while you were shooting, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was in the preparation.
Speaker 3: When we're actually underwater, probably you do like an hour
Speaker 3: in the water and then and then and then you're
Speaker 3: starting to get really cold. It also depends what you're doing.
Speaker 3: If you're sat waiting in the water, you're not preoccupied,
Speaker 3: you get cold really quick. But like in the third episode,
Speaker 3: we were filming the leopard seals hunting the penguins, and
Speaker 3: that's like being underwater with like a sea dragon and
Speaker 3: you're adrenalines pumping and they're really bold and curious. So
Speaker 3: so yeah, time time flies when you're having fun having.
Speaker 1: A heart attack. Were you nervous with the leopard seals,
Speaker 1: because that is quite.
Speaker 3: Well the animals. It's fun watching people's reactions to that
Speaker 3: scene in the show because the leopard seal is coming
Speaker 3: to check me out, and you know, if you or
Speaker 3: I want to know what a new object, you know,
Speaker 3: feels like we use our hands. Well, leopard seals don't
Speaker 3: have hands. They use their teeth right, and they they
Speaker 3: literally look like dragons underwater. The way they move is
Speaker 3: very serpentine and they're huge lots of teeth. Yeah, grizzly
Speaker 3: bear mouth and so yeah, the knee jet reaction is
Speaker 3: that's really scary. But I've actually spent quite a lot
Speaker 3: of time in the water now in Antarctica with leopard seals,
Speaker 3: and you know, you're scared of what you don't know,
Speaker 3: and so the more time you spend doing something that
Speaker 3: the kind of easier it gets. And I love diving
Speaker 3: with leopard seals because it's you know, it's it's like
Speaker 3: every each of them are different. You know, saying, oh,
Speaker 3: I've dive with leopard zeals is wrong, Like you've dived
Speaker 3: with individuals, and they all have different personalities. Not only
Speaker 3: when you when you first get into they respond to
Speaker 3: you differently, but they all kind of evolved differently during
Speaker 3: that dive. Some of them get more shy, some of
Speaker 3: them get more curious, some of them get more excited,
Speaker 3: and you just have to read their body language. It's
Speaker 3: like walking into a bar, like just down the road hill.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it is it is you walk into when
Speaker 3: you walk into a bar. The first thing you're doing
Speaker 3: when you're trying to find a place to you know,
Speaker 3: stand or sit or whatever, you're scanning everyone in the
Speaker 3: bar's body language, and subconsciously, you know, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to go sinics to those guys. They look pretty angry.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go sinic to those people. They look weird. Okay,
Speaker 3: the way those people are behaving, they're you know, they're smiling,
Speaker 3: they're they're happy or whatever. They're the you know, that's
Speaker 3: the body language you you know is good. So when
Speaker 3: you spend enough time with leopard seals, you learn that
Speaker 3: they have body language and they can tell you a
Speaker 3: lot about how they're feeling.
Speaker 1: I think the key is spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: with leopard seals to be able to figure that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, I can't tell you the difference between a
Speaker 1: happy one and an angry one. All I see is
Speaker 1: a sea dragon with teeth coming at me and I
Speaker 1: would have a heart attack.
Speaker 3: Which which is totally I think that's reasonable. And the
Speaker 3: key thing really with the leopard seals, to continue with
Speaker 3: the bar analogy, is you know, when you're in the
Speaker 3: water with them, they will often get more and more excited,
Speaker 3: more and more inquisitive, more and more confident. And so
Speaker 3: it's all about you know, whilst I'm saying they're not scary,
Speaker 3: they are potentially a very dangerous animal and you know
Speaker 3: they might just be playing with you, but they could
Speaker 3: still you take your arm off whatever. So it's all
Speaker 3: about kind of you know, when you're in a bar
Speaker 3: and everyone's getting more and more rowdy, and you know
Speaker 3: at some point, like you feel like a bar fight's
Speaker 3: going to break out. Yes, So it's all about knowing
Speaker 3: I'm going to leave just five minutes before the bar
Speaker 3: fight breaks out. That's what you need to do. With
Speaker 3: the Leopard seal. You're like, yeah, something, the mood has
Speaker 3: changed here. I think it's time to leave.
Speaker 1: You say that so casually, so you didn't have any
Speaker 1: rough encounters with them, because you say, I can sense, okay,
Speaker 1: about five minutes it's going to get bad here.
Speaker 2: What is that like?
Speaker 1: Is that environment?
Speaker 3: There was one level steal actually that was that was
Speaker 3: like bar fight mode before we even got in the water,
Speaker 3: which has never happened to me actually, And it was
Speaker 3: really funny because Neil and James who I was diving with.
Speaker 3: Neil was driving the little rubber you know, ten foot
Speaker 3: rubber boat we were in and James was in the
Speaker 3: water with me, and they'd never been in you know,
Speaker 3: they'd never seen it was their first time in Antarctica.
Speaker 3: They've never seen leopard seal. So I was kind of
Speaker 3: talking them through what to expect, and I was saying,
Speaker 3: like the bitey ones that are like you need to
Speaker 3: get out of the water. They will get more and more,
Speaker 3: they will like increase up to that level of bitiness,
Speaker 3: and that's when we need to get out. But this,
Speaker 3: the very first leopard seal we saw, was bitey from
Speaker 3: like minute one it came. We were still on the
Speaker 3: boat and it came flying over to us, zooming over
Speaker 3: to us, and it went around one side of the boat,
Speaker 3: bit down on the rubber tube. Immediately the tube goes punched.
Speaker 3: It swims around the other side of the boat, and
Speaker 3: now we're sinking because it's an inflatable boat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I remember saying to Neil, like, you see
Speaker 3: there's rocks over there. You just need to beat us
Speaker 3: on those rocks or we're got to sink. So he
Speaker 3: kind of went over and beached us on the rocks
Speaker 3: and we're We're sat there now with no boat and
Speaker 3: this lepond seal is like in the water, just like,
Speaker 3: come on, guys, come on, come in. That was really fun.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go. And we did actually while we
Speaker 3: were waiting for our other boat to come help us,
Speaker 3: me and James did actually just get in the water
Speaker 3: with it because we're like, well, we've got to kill time.
Speaker 3: We think it'll be all right.
Speaker 2: And that is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazier than me. I told you last time year here,
Speaker 1: I'm always on the can I touch it thing? I
Speaker 1: would want to touch it.
Speaker 3: You don't want to touch leapond seals.
Speaker 1: You want to get in the water and play with them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're good fun. Yeah. And the other thing
Speaker 3: is they the key thing is I think as well
Speaker 3: as interpreting their body language, they mirror your your mood.
Speaker 3: If you're really nervous and jumpy and on edge, it
Speaker 3: freaks them out. I mean they you know, our body
Speaker 3: language transcends species in the same way with humans. You know,
Speaker 3: if you want to put someone in the ease, you
Speaker 3: need to be at ease. And so I really feel
Speaker 3: like because I'm chill, they're they're way.
Speaker 1: More relaxed was your partner that you were with.
Speaker 3: Well, that's an interesting said James. Understandably, it was his
Speaker 3: first first time in the water with the with the
Speaker 3: leopard seals. He was kind of on edge and you
Speaker 3: could really see the leopard seal behaving differently as it
Speaker 3: went between us to check us both out. It was
Speaker 3: much more relaxed with me, much more kind of on
Speaker 3: edge and kind of pokey with with James, and of
Speaker 3: course that makes you more more nervous. And what was
Speaker 3: great was after that James was then like, okay, I
Speaker 3: learned a lot from that dive. The next seal we
Speaker 3: got in the water with he was much more chill
Speaker 3: with And interestingly, I don't think it's a coincidence that
Speaker 3: seal was much more chill with us. Interesting, so they
Speaker 3: really mirror your body language, which is cool that you
Speaker 3: can have like a body language conversation with an underwater
Speaker 3: sea dragon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So let me tell you this, You're the reason
Speaker 1: that I'm probably gonna some day get bitten by something
Speaker 1: because you're sitting here telling me. Something that I've convince
Speaker 1: myself in my head is they can read the vibes.
Speaker 1: I'll be cool, they'll be cool. It's fine, what.
Speaker 3: I would say is I hope I don't. I haven't
Speaker 3: encouraged you to go get a bit, because I think
Speaker 3: part part of the job of filming animals and being
Speaker 3: around them is how do you make sure that they
Speaker 3: are comfortable? And you know, the media will have you
Speaker 3: believe that many wild animals are just out to eat you, right,
Speaker 3: And there's only a couple of animals that actually actively
Speaker 3: hunt humans, and that takes very specific situation, which if
Speaker 3: you do things correctly, you can avoid. So when you
Speaker 3: see a human attacked by a wild animal, ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent of the time, maybe even higher, the human has
Speaker 3: done something wrong, or the humans that interacted with that
Speaker 3: animal before that human who got bit did something wrong.
Speaker 3: Try to feed it, So really or yeah, exactly, I
Speaker 3: mean that's the classic one. You know, food conditioning is
Speaker 3: a death wish for many large predators. And so really,
Speaker 3: when we talk about, you know, coexistence of humans and wildlife,
Speaker 3: it's not about changing the behavior of the wildlife. It's about,
Speaker 3: you know, managing the behavior of the people. They're the
Speaker 3: they're the problem.
Speaker 1: Always. I always say it's people every single time. But
Speaker 1: you say, there are a couple of animals that will
Speaker 1: actually hunt humans. What are they?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Polar bears?
Speaker 3: Bears are one of them, yeah, and and tigers as well.
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, and there are a couple others which
Speaker 3: in the right circumstances will or the wrong circumstances depending
Speaker 3: on your perspective. Uh, but but yeah, yeah, polar bears
Speaker 3: live in this fairly featureless environment and their survival is
Speaker 3: based on you know, curiosity. Investigating anything is a meal
Speaker 3: for them. And but there are also ways to manage
Speaker 3: that based on interpreting their body language. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's all about understanding. Really, you know, we're we're
Speaker 3: we're scared of what we don't know. So you learn
Speaker 3: enough about animals and and there's there's usually a way
Speaker 3: to manage manage what you manage your own behavior to
Speaker 3: manage theirs.
Speaker 1: So when you're in that water with the leopard seal
Speaker 1: that is the sea dragon, and there are all these
Speaker 1: penguins around, and they are probably actively hunting those penguins
Speaker 1: because they want food, you're not nervous in any capacity
Speaker 1: that you might get caught up in the middle of that.
Speaker 3: No, they're super smart animals. The other thing is as well,
Speaker 3: like it's a bit like sharks. You know, leopard seal
Speaker 3: is an ambush predator. You know, when you see them
Speaker 3: hunting penguins, they come out of nowhere. Yeah, leopidzeals don't
Speaker 3: show themselves to the penguins. The penguins see they're there
Speaker 3: and then they attack them. You know, they need the
Speaker 3: element of surprise. And so if a leopard seal really
Speaker 3: wanted to eat you or attack you, it would come
Speaker 3: out of nowhere and you know nothing about it. So
Speaker 3: anytime a leopidzeel is kind of presenting itself to you
Speaker 3: and being all curious and playful, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3: It's curiosity. It's not it's not, you know, the precursor
Speaker 3: to predation.
Speaker 1: It's still terrifying. Good for you for knowing all of that.
Speaker 1: What about other predators in the water, I mean, I
Speaker 1: assume there are orcas down there?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, half of the world's killer whales. Orcas
Speaker 3: live in the waters around Antarctica. There are lots and
Speaker 3: lots of them.
Speaker 1: Did you see any.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we saw saw lots of them. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: they're amazing. Been lucky enough to film them several times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the episodes was on animals up close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I mean they're they're incredible, incredible predators.
Speaker 3: But you know, interestingly with them, there's a whole other
Speaker 3: thing going on in that. You know, we humans are
Speaker 3: not on the menu. That's just not what they do.
Speaker 3: And you know, humans don't get attacked by killer welles
Speaker 3: or at least today have not been attacked by kill
Speaker 3: ol in the wild, only ever in captivity, you know,
Speaker 3: when the animals are incredibly stressed. So yeah, I think
Speaker 3: our relationship with animals, with wild animals, we are animals,
Speaker 3: is fascinating because the way that we treat different animals,
Speaker 3: you know, culturally, and and the way that they respond
Speaker 3: to us. I think there's there's you know, why is
Speaker 3: it that you know, on the one hand, we you know,
Speaker 3: many of us love dogs and have pet dogs in
Speaker 3: our home. Yeah, you know, across North America, their closest relative,
Speaker 3: the gray wolf, is is so aggressively persecuted. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's so odd. It's fascinating our relationship with animals, truly.
Speaker 1: So when you're this is going to sound like a
Speaker 1: super super question, it is a dumb question. Are polar
Speaker 1: bears down there?
Speaker 3: No, So polar bears in the Arctic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you didn't have to worry about that.
Speaker 3: No, no, And that's the really lovely thing about filming
Speaker 3: penguins is, yeah, they don't really have any terrestrial predators
Speaker 3: land based predators. Yeah, so when they're on land with you,
Speaker 3: on the ice with you, they're they're curious and kind
Speaker 3: of Yeah, they're chill, which is you know, the if
Speaker 3: you're filming, if you want to capture the you know,
Speaker 3: the emotion and the drama of a human family, human
Speaker 3: story a documentary, well you wouldn't sit in a bush,
Speaker 3: you know, a couple hundred feet away with a big, long,
Speaker 3: powerful lens and you know, one of those sniper Gillie
Speaker 3: suits on and expect to catch the emotion. Well, that's
Speaker 3: how we have to fill most wildlife documentaries with secrets
Speaker 3: of the penguins. Because the penguins are chill, we can
Speaker 3: be much close to them and use much much less
Speaker 3: zoom lenses, less zoom lenses, that's terrible English, much much
Speaker 3: wider lenses. And that's why this series feels so intimate
Speaker 3: and really an emotional rollercoaster is because of that proximity
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: So without giving too much of it away because I
Speaker 1: want people to watch so that they can figure out
Speaker 1: what the secrets of the penguins are.
Speaker 3: I feel like we can give lots away, and I
Speaker 3: would hope people are still going to watch because it's. Yeah,
Speaker 3: penguins are such cool animals, so charismatic, so hilarious. But
Speaker 3: this animal of contrasts, like, on the one and they're
Speaker 3: really funny and goofy and awkward, and then on the
Speaker 3: other hand, you know, can deal with conditions that no
Speaker 3: other animal on earth can deal with. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that seems so bizarre to me.
Speaker 1: It is, and they look so goofy, yet apparently they
Speaker 1: don't have a bird brain.
Speaker 3: The very smart Yeah, well, I mean what's really cool
Speaker 3: is that kind of collective intelligence. Like I feel like
Speaker 3: the relationships between them have often been talked about, at
Speaker 3: least with with the emperors, like the bond between the
Speaker 3: mother and the father or between the parent and the chick.
Speaker 3: But the coolest bond that I haven't really seen kind
Speaker 3: of documented much, And that's what we really focused on
Speaker 3: is the friendships that the chicks have. So unrelated chicks
Speaker 3: from a really early age, the parents encourage chicks that
Speaker 3: aren't related to kind of be friends, and they form
Speaker 3: these little these little groups, these little gangs, and they
Speaker 3: grow up together and then they kind of feed off
Speaker 3: each other, not not literally, I mean they they their energy.
Speaker 3: You know that they look for each other for confidence
Speaker 3: and guidance, just like we do of our friends. And
Speaker 3: I love that and that's a real big part of
Speaker 3: the first episode is the teenage years of these emperor penguins.
Speaker 3: And just like human teenagers, these penguin teenagers, their lives
Speaker 3: are full of awkward moments and kind of experimental haircuts,
Speaker 3: which is just hilarious.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. So that was in the Antarctic, but
Speaker 1: I also saw you filming in a much warmer, more
Speaker 1: temperate climate.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was sweet. I mean I've kind of
Speaker 3: been pigeonholed professionally into filming in cold places. I spend about,
Speaker 3: i don't know, eight nine months a year freezing my
Speaker 3: butt off. So any opportunity to go to a hot place,
Speaker 3: sign me up. So yeah, there are eighteen species of penguins,
Speaker 3: and many of them don't live where we think penguins live, like,
Speaker 3: you know, next to icebergs in Antarctica. I call them
Speaker 3: the hot penguins. So there's some that live in the desert,
Speaker 3: some that live in caves, some that lives in live
Speaker 3: in cities. And my favorite of the hot penguins, I
Speaker 3: need to get a T shirt with hot penguins right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my favorite is the Glappagut penguin. So it's one of
Speaker 3: the smallest and one of the rarest there's only two
Speaker 3: thousand of them. And uh yeah, I mean you imagine, yeah,
Speaker 3: you think of penguins, they live on icebergs and stuff. Well,
Speaker 3: the ancestors of these penguins got swept north on a
Speaker 3: crazy ocean current, ended up at the equator and got
Speaker 3: out of the water on the side of a volcano,
Speaker 3: covered in cactuses, looking at sea turtles, just being like,
Speaker 3: we really took a wrong turn. Guys, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: about this, but they're amazing survivors and they've figured it out.
Speaker 1: They made it work. Where do they exist in the desert?
Speaker 3: So we filmed them on the off the cost of
Speaker 3: Namibia in Africa. Yeah, and yeah, there's a really cool
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of my favorite secrets. There's a
Speaker 3: population of African penguins that live in this massive cave
Speaker 3: and getting into that cave. You can only get in
Speaker 3: on certain tides, so a couple times a month. So yeah,
Speaker 3: our team were abs sailing down into the cave to
Speaker 3: find these penguins that no one actually what's sailing? Ab
Speaker 3: sailing like repelling I think is the American American term. Yeah,
Speaker 3: using a rope to go down off a cliff and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's yeah. No, So this colony has was kind of
Speaker 3: reported on, but no one had been there for many years,
Speaker 3: and so as part of the project, work with scientists
Speaker 3: to go see if they were still there, and they are.
Speaker 3: They just a bunch of penguins hanging out in a
Speaker 3: cave in the desert.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And again you're talking about abs sailing. This
Speaker 1: is just something a tool that you have in your backpack.
Speaker 1: You know how to do this or do you have
Speaker 1: to train before you go down there and figure out.
Speaker 2: How to do it?
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of training involved. Ball. So you know,
Speaker 3: one of the best parts about my job is that,
Speaker 3: as well as getting to hang out with all animals,
Speaker 3: get to hang out with cool people. Yeah, and our
Speaker 3: teams are wicked. So in Antarctica, I was working with
Speaker 3: this Scotsman called Scott Webster. He's like a polar specialist.
Speaker 3: You know, I've spent quite a bit of time around ice,
Speaker 3: but when you spend time with a real ice expert,
Speaker 3: you realize that you know nothing. And his job was
Speaker 3: basically to focus on kind of polar safety. And it
Speaker 3: meant that I could focus all my effort on the
Speaker 3: camera work and interpreting what the penguins were doing, and
Speaker 3: he could occasionally come over and whisper, pack up your stuff,
Speaker 3: We need to go in one minute because the piece
Speaker 3: of ice were on has broken off of the main
Speaker 3: piece of ice and is floating out into the Southern Ocean.
Speaker 3: And that did actually.
Speaker 1: Happen, and does it all calmly like that, And you're
Speaker 1: like sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gave me a thirty minute warning. And then
Speaker 3: I was like looking around, being like this looks very benign.
Speaker 3: It was a lovely sunny day. And then yeah, he
Speaker 3: came over and was like, you have one minute, let's go,
Speaker 3: And I put my stuff on the snowmobile and turned
Speaker 3: to drive kind of inland on the ice and I
Speaker 3: had to dry. This crack was opening up in front
Speaker 3: of me, and I drove over it and it was
Speaker 3: about two feet wide. By the time Scott crossed it,
Speaker 3: it was about three feet he like hopped over it,
Speaker 3: and then we watched literally that piece of ice that
Speaker 3: we'd spend the day on drift out into the sun
Speaker 3: an ocean and disappear.
Speaker 1: Well, that's terrifying. What's the insurance policy?
Speaker 3: Like on the show, Well, I need to remember, on
Speaker 3: the risk assessment it said, like worst case scenario, what
Speaker 3: was it, catastrophic ice breakaway. Basically there's no like, there's
Speaker 3: no like coastguard or or you know, helicopters they are
Speaker 3: going to come rescue you. Certainly not in any you know,
Speaker 3: quick time frame. So you just can't afford you know,
Speaker 3: you can't break off on a piece of ice and
Speaker 3: float away. That'd be really bad. Yeah, so we'd yeah,
Speaker 3: behind our snowmobil is so funny, I mean sort of
Speaker 3: half funny in a retrospect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we basically had this like a life raft
Speaker 3: that we dragged around behind our snowmobils. And I always
Speaker 3: found that so ridiculous that we were just tearing around
Speaker 3: this life raft despite being on like solid ice, And
Speaker 3: it was because there was a chance that the piece
Speaker 3: of ice were on could break off and just drift
Speaker 3: out into the ocean, and we need this life raft.
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Does your family when you go out to do these shit,
Speaker 1: these shoots, worry about you?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah for sure. But I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think walking down the street here and New York's far
Speaker 3: more dangerous statistically.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I think so. I think there's something like,
Speaker 1: you're more likely to get bitten by a New Yorker
Speaker 1: than a shark at any given moment.
Speaker 3: I think it's far more likely. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: only Yeah, how many shark fatalities is a six or
Speaker 3: seven or something? Yeah, yeah, compared to.
Speaker 1: New York City fatalities much higher?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So when you're doing these shoots back to back
Speaker 1: to back, what does that leave you as far as
Speaker 1: time for your personal life? Do you have one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sure. Yeah. It makes it challenging. I
Speaker 3: find the like the re entry process, you know, like
Speaker 3: astronaut re entry difficult because you're Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 3: like coming back from another world, you know, of icebergs
Speaker 3: and minus thirty in tents and penguins to then you know,
Speaker 3: fast forward a few days and you're in the supermarket
Speaker 3: deciding what type of lettuce to buy. You're like, what
Speaker 3: is what is going on here?
Speaker 1: It would be wild ye home for you.
Speaker 3: I live in Bristol, which is in the southwest of England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you just look around and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm bored here. I got to get back out. Or
Speaker 1: do you enjoy a little bit of time?
Speaker 3: Yeah it's nice, you know, it's nice. It's nice to
Speaker 3: mix it up. But yeah, after being at home for
Speaker 3: a little while, I get pretty itchy to get back
Speaker 3: out in the world.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think modern day society have become so disconnected from nature,
Speaker 3: and I think that's part of the reason that, you know,
Speaker 3: the planet and humanity, because we rely on a healthy planet,
Speaker 3: is in so much trouble because we've kind of distanced
Speaker 3: ourselves from from nature. Was sort of forgotten that we're
Speaker 3: part of it. And yeah, so I struggle with that,
Speaker 3: you know, coming back to a different, different world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how long can you be at home before
Speaker 1: that it starts and you're like, I gotta get out.
Speaker 3: A couple of days? No, no, no, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: sort of sort of depends. I think. Actually, the nice
Speaker 3: thing about filming in Antarctica is it takes a very
Speaker 3: long time to get there and come back, which is
Speaker 3: kind of annoying in some ways. You know, the journey
Speaker 3: can be quite boring, as many days quite sea sicky
Speaker 3: as well, but it does mean you've kind of got
Speaker 3: your brain has time to like process that this is
Speaker 3: a really far away place from where you live. I
Speaker 3: think with like you know, plains, it's it's I mean
Speaker 3: it's almost like teleporting, Like you get from one place
Speaker 3: to a completely different place very very quickly, and I
Speaker 3: think my brain, I think many human brains struggle with
Speaker 3: that concept that like how am I? How am I here?
Speaker 3: Whereas you could sort of have this long period of acclimatization.
Speaker 3: And I find when you go to Antarctica, just the
Speaker 3: emotion that you experience when you see the icy wall
Speaker 3: of mountains appear out of the mist on the horizon,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, sure it might be because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe high on sea sickness medication and like deliriously tired,
Speaker 3: but you really feel something. And I find when I
Speaker 3: go to other places where you might have got there
Speaker 3: on a plane, it's very different. You don't feel as
Speaker 3: much when you first see it, and then it takes
Speaker 3: a while to kind of get into it.
Speaker 1: When you do these incredible, amazing things that are not
Speaker 1: just visually beautiful and spectacular and things that most people
Speaker 1: aren't going to see, but you're also physically experiencing things
Speaker 1: that most people are not going to do. You ever
Speaker 1: have a hard time relating to normal everyday people when
Speaker 1: you come back when you talk to them about the Kardashians,
Speaker 1: No way, why not?
Speaker 3: It's good to catch up on Kim's gossip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I think it sort of depends. I think it's recognizing
Speaker 3: that everyone's lives are different and they're exciting in different ways.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that. Yeah, people often say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: your life's so much more exciting than my. I was
Speaker 3: just you know, we get kicks out of doing different things.
Speaker 1: Admit it is much more exciting than most people.
Speaker 3: It's just different.
Speaker 1: That's a very humble way to look at.
Speaker 3: It is different. Yeah, And I mean if you live
Speaker 3: in New York, yeah, a different kind of wildlife here.
Speaker 1: It is wild here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so yeah, it's it's different. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, life's about enjoying the passage of time. And
Speaker 3: I had a really interesting idea that, you know, the
Speaker 3: best way to enjoy the passage of time is to
Speaker 3: get in a flow state, you know, where you're kind
Speaker 3: of you're so focused on the thing you're doing, you're
Speaker 3: not aware of time going past. And so if if
Speaker 3: enjoying the passage of time is the meaning of life, wow,
Speaker 3: we got deep quick, don't we. If enjoying the passage
Speaker 3: of time is the meaning of life, and then a
Speaker 3: flow state is a great way of you know, being
Speaker 3: happy and enjoying the passage of time. Figure out how
Speaker 3: you get in a flow state, and then try to
Speaker 3: do that thing as much as possible. And for me,
Speaker 3: that's hanging out with cool animals. So that's that's that's
Speaker 3: what I try and do.
Speaker 1: So what's your favorite normal person thing to do your home?
Speaker 1: How do you find your flow state at home? Do
Speaker 1: you find your Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, you know, hanging out with friends and
Speaker 3: family is awesome. I mean, I'm not sure this is
Speaker 3: a normal personal activity, but it just sprung and popped
Speaker 3: into my mind. A big fan of frisbee golf at
Speaker 3: the moment.
Speaker 1: I think that's normal.
Speaker 3: Familiar with frisbee golf. I love it. It's sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's where I lived. There's like a couple of courses,
Speaker 3: the run through this cool bit of forest. Nice way
Speaker 3: to spend time out in nature and get competitive with
Speaker 3: your friends, which is always a good thing. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I got a lot of time for Frisbee golf. Whether
Speaker 3: or not I hit full flow state on the Frisbee
Speaker 3: golf course, I'm not sure. I'd have to think about that,
Speaker 3: but it's certainly a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: You're having a good time doing it, and then two
Speaker 1: days later you got to get back out and do
Speaker 1: something else. Do you have a dream, destination or animal
Speaker 1: that you are trying to go after.
Speaker 3: Next Yes, And to find out what those are, you'll
Speaker 3: have to watch the next season of Animals up Close,
Speaker 3: which sounds like which sounds like a shameless plug, but
Speaker 3: it's true. I mean, that's why I love working I
Speaker 3: seek yourself also love working on Animals up Close because, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a hand in where we go and what
Speaker 3: we film, and they're usually stories, well they're always stories
Speaker 3: that kind of I'm passionate about and want to tell.
Speaker 3: So yeah, excited to see what people think about the
Speaker 3: new season.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you in a position to call your shots
Speaker 1: now where you say this is the animal I want
Speaker 1: send me there or other people still saying, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: we want you to check this on.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The cool thing about Animals up Close, you know, and
Speaker 3: epic adventures, it's kind of early evolution is that that's
Speaker 3: kind of always been the way. That's why it feels,
Speaker 3: you know, very very real and kind of raw, is
Speaker 3: because you know, it's following me and my team on
Speaker 3: our adventures, like we want to go to these places
Speaker 3: and this you know, we chose to go there. We
Speaker 3: haven't just been kind of slapped onto a project going
Speaker 3: to a place. And that's really cool.
Speaker 1: What a life? How amazing You just get to decide
Speaker 1: this is something that I want to pursue, and then
Speaker 1: you have a team of people backing you up saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're really good at this.
Speaker 3: You should go. It's not quite that simple, are There's
Speaker 3: a little more back and forth, but sure we can
Speaker 3: leave it at that.
Speaker 2: That's all okay.
Speaker 1: So people want to watch Secrets of the Penguins, where
Speaker 1: are they going to find it?
Speaker 3: So Animals up Close the current season is streaming on
Speaker 3: Disney Plus, and yeah, we'll be announcing the date when
Speaker 3: new seasoned.
Speaker 1: See I would ask you what you thought of the interview,
Speaker 1: but I know you don't care about animals, so I
Speaker 1: will just say, what do you think of Bertie as
Speaker 1: a person?
Speaker 2: Very nice guy. Yeah, cheers to Bertie and all his exploration.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be my friend and like take
Speaker 1: me on one expedition.
Speaker 2: No, you would get Bertie killed. So how would I
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe hearing that a beer is near
Speaker 2: and running towards the beer.
Speaker 1: No. No, see, if I'm not in charge, I will
Speaker 1: follow the leader and he would be the leader on that.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that a penguin would get smuggled
Speaker 1: a backpack? Yes? Actually too, because you can't just have one,
Speaker 1: that's me to have one by itself, you have to
Speaker 1: have two.
Speaker 2: Didn't you learn your lessons with penguins a long time ago?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got it. It was worse by in my life. Okay,
Speaker 1: worse by serrated beak so they can crush fish. Ah
Speaker 1: on my foot. It was terrible. That's okay. I still
Speaker 1: love them and they have lovely little bellies and all
Speaker 1: I want to do.
Speaker 2: Is touch a little belly or No, so you have like.
Speaker 1: No affection toward any type of creature. You're not like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so cute.
Speaker 2: I like dogs. Okay, that I like. Okay. I keep
Speaker 2: telling people this. It's like someone who doesn't like kids,
Speaker 2: but then they have a kid, or they have a
Speaker 2: niece or a nephew that they love so much. My
Speaker 2: family members that have dogs, I love them. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: it's a random dog on the street, unless they remind
Speaker 2: me of a dog in my family, I'm like, get
Speaker 2: that thing away from me, so I'll see a dog.
Speaker 2: You're so cute, don't get a bye, don't touch me,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So Scottie dog Sawyer not a fan.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm allergic, so I am too. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't every time he brings him in my eyes.
Speaker 1: Itch, no, let me tell you hear this. No Clareton, baby,
Speaker 1: no no, I offer everybody my allergy meds so that
Speaker 1: they can all go play with Slawyer because he said
Speaker 1: a good boy. What about Ali and Max?
Speaker 2: Oh they're cute.
Speaker 1: Oh they're cute.
Speaker 2: They're cute. There, they're cute, And I like the difference
Speaker 2: between them. Max is like he used to come and
Speaker 2: Elvis used to bring him in all the time. So
Speaker 2: I was used to Max and he was chill, And
Speaker 2: then I loved when he turned up on this one
Speaker 2: person once and I was like, oh, Max, you're my guy.
Speaker 2: I get it. Ali, The verdict is still out on him.
Speaker 2: But because he's always with Max, I'm like, okay. And
Speaker 2: he's a little older now, so I'm hoping he's not
Speaker 2: doing the crazy shit he used to do. So like whatever,
Speaker 2: who that.
Speaker 1: Guy kicks down gates, Well, good for him, I love him.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Who else is Taz? You don't like Taz?
Speaker 2: No, because Taz tries to attack me literally every time
Speaker 2: he sees he's trying to play with you. No, but okay.
Speaker 1: And what about Oscar? Who's Oscars? Rachel's Bessenji?
Speaker 2: Hell no, that dog looks like he would bite a
Speaker 2: chunk out of my cat. I say it all the time.
Speaker 1: It's so cut all right, I love all of those dogs.
Speaker 1: What about D'Angelo?
Speaker 2: Who is that? Oh that dog? No, he bit up
Speaker 2: the carpet he did.
Speaker 1: That's because Andrew wasn't watching him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why do we always have to watch animals
Speaker 2: because he's a puppy. Back in the day, they used
Speaker 2: to just let dogs run free in their back.
Speaker 1: Talking about like the organ trail days.
Speaker 2: Sure, I wasn't there for it. I don't really know,
Speaker 2: but you don't lie.
Speaker 1: Okay, So no dogs for Diamond unless they're a familial
Speaker 1: dog and then she'll like it and pay. So that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about babies. Yeah, I'm like, if they're
Speaker 1: babies in my family, I think you're so cute and
Speaker 1: I will, you know, be patient with you other people's kids.
Speaker 2: Please back up, please, A random baby crying on a plane,
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Shut the crump, all right. So if you want to
Speaker 1: find Diamond on Instagram.
Speaker 2: She is at Diamond Sincere.
Speaker 1: And I am at Baby Hot Sauce and we're going
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Speaker 1: say bye bye.