WEBVTT - How Do You Handle Real Life? 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.720 Sauce on the side. What's up, It's Gandhi with my 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.039 lovely producer Diamond Heather. Hi, we have someone on this 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 show today. I'm super excited about because one, I'm always 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.720 excited about every guests that we have on. But two, 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.320 he was the first guest on my podcast. He kicked 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.360 it off Bertie Gregory. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:20.479 What great? 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.239 Well were you confused? Did you not think he was 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:22.840 a first guest? 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:23.160 Yeah? 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.320 Yeah, I think he was a first Okay, who did 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:25.880 you think it was? 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.800 I thought it was the guy who shouit it on 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.640 me about my dating profile because he has face but 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.400 I can't see real haird Freed. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.559 Yeah, no, that was like way down the long whoa. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.840 Oh yeah, Bertie came in first. We did the whole 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.000 can I touch it? Thing? Oh, and that's where everything 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.760 sort of started. But now that you are saying this, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.840 you're making me want to go check all of the episodes. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.920 But since Bertie came in, because he came in to 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.720 talk about a series called Animals up Close, which I 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.960 was fascinated by. He talked about elephants and the Galapagus Islands, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.400 all kinds of stuff, and he won at least one 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.360 Emmy If not more for that specific show. So I'm 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:07.959 so excited. I was so proud of him. He was 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.120 really hoping that a season two would come out, so 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.280 I would love to see if that's actually happening. But 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.640 he's here to talk about something called The Secrets of 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.840 the Penguins. I believe Secrets of the Penguins it's a 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.040 three part, really fascinating little series. I know that you're 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.800 not really a big penguin person because you hate animals 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.120 for whatever reason, but I think there's some really fun 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.960 stuff to talk about. If you had to talk to 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.480 him by yourself when I wasn't here, what would you 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.919 to say? 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:37.480 I would ask the most interesting thing he saw on 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:43.280 his adventures, okay, and probably try to get him outside 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.280 of talking about animals, like, you know, okay, actually saw 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.200 the sky light up in a specific way, and then 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.160 show me a picture maybe, or tell me a good 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.800 story about why he doesn't take his phone to a 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.560 specific point and he just wants to enjoy of you. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.000 Well blah blah blah. Okay, I don't want to know 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.760 about animals because I'm terrified. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.040 Okay, So you want to find out more about Bertie 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:05.520 the person? 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:06.000 Yep? 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.600 Yeah, the first episode, Can I Touch It? Welcome to 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.040 Sauce on the Side. On this week's episode, Condy talks 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.680 with wildlife photographer Bertie Gregory about what it's really like 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.119 to create something. Huh interesting. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:18.799 What was the date? 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:25.119 That was? February twelfth? Wow, of Year of Our Lord 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.760 Jesus Christ. I think twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, time's 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.880 just flying, man, I didn't know it was February twelfth. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.720 I thought we released in April either or in uh January. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.600 I think the promos started running in January. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.800 Huh. And here we are a whole year later and 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.280 now we're going to have a spinoff podcast. Let me 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.200 ask you this. Do you think the spinoff podcast that 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.919 we recorded should be a spinoff? Like that's the first spinoff? 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.400 Or should we introduce it as a Sauce on the 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.240 Side episode so everybody listens to it and then tell 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.560 them it's a spinoff. No, we could cross promote, we 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.800 could do it twice, we could release it in both places. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:00.600 We just really need to come up with a name 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:00.919 for it. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.560 That's the hardest thing ever. Like, I don't understand how 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.840 people even come up with names for their children, because 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.560 you like start like how is it that you just 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.320 come up with a name and you stick with it. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.040 I don't know. I don't understand how people name their 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:16.880 kids before they meet them. I don't think I could 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.200 ever do that. Like, you just pick diamond, but you've 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.800 never met Diamond. I mean, obviously you are a diamond. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.520 I'm very used to you being Diamond. But I just 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.040 couldn't imagine, like, before a child is on this planet, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.880 being like, this is the name this person's gonna have. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.639 Oh my parents did that, though I think most parents 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.880 do that. I think I'm the only freak that would 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.440 be like, let's leave that birth certificate on unfilled, uncompleted, well, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.480 you know, incomplete. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:44.600 I heard that, and this could be not this could 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.440 just be this person's story. But I heard a few 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:52.320 years ago that someone I knew their community, the Jewish 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.600 community that she specifically was a part of, they don't 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.640 name their child until they meet them. Oh, so, I'm 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.160 like to me, I don't know if all Jewish people 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:02.720 do that, but I think it has something to do 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:08.840 with like the way they view life. So maybe, but also, yeah, no, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.360 what if my parents met me and they were like, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:11.600 her name isn't diamond? 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.080 Yeah, my name I thought you were a diamond, but 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:15.520 now I meet you and you look more like a 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.640 snack's I don't know, Okay, Well, I just feel like 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:19.880 that's how it would work. Though. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:21.760 Well, Henry thought my name was gonna be PEPSI. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.039 I wish you would have been a. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:25.040 Diamond. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.120 That's fine, okay, I wonder if no. You just said 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.040 you don't know if all, I'm sure there are other 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.880 cultures that do the same thing. I'll tell you what. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.120 I have a tough time with baby showers because in 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.479 my culture, it's bad luck to give a gift to 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.960 something that has not yet been born, because just what 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.080 if something bad happens and then you have all of 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.680 these things to just remind you of that all the time. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.080 So in my dream world, I wouldn't give you a 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.320 gift until the baby is born. But people get really 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.880 offended by that. Yeah, it doesn't matter if I explain 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.400 it or not. So I'm like, fine, here have your graft, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:56.720 good luck. I hope everything's fine. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.560 Yeah, I just give a gift card. Go by diapers 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.760 when the time is right, you know, if you go. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.200 I'm not good at gifts anyway. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.280 So you want to know what else, baby showers are 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.760 my least favorite event to attend. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.560 Oh I love it because I get to get drunk 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.360 while the mom camp so cheers to that. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.400 No, I'm like, I have to watch you open all 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.720 these presents. I don't care. People still do this. Oh 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.080 my god. The last one I went to, they opened 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:17.520 every guest. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.960 No, don't stop doing that. Guys, go home, go home 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:20.400 and do it. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:21.960 I was like at birthday parties when you were little 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.320 and they would open all the guests. I don't care. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.719 Yeah, I didn't care. I want a cake, right, give. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.520 Me the cake, give me pizza. Let me get back 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:32.240 on this roller skating rink. Shit was good. Remember when 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.919 we were all gonna go roller skating as a show. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.520 Did it ever happen? He did? 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.920 I didn't go on my birthday? Oh, how was it 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.159 so much fun? We should do that again? 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.400 That was so much fell down. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.880 I think Josh fell. Josh definitely fell. I think I 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.920 have a video of him. And then COVID was spread. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.560 Do you know No, I wasn't there. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.839 Yeah, and that was another instance of scary spreading COVID 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.560 without actually getting tested to prove that he had it. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.040 Remember Deanna and I? 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.400 Yeah, oh yeah, that was from Okay, okay. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.960 Oh actually I spread it. Sorry okay, but he never 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.240 got tested, even though Dianna, he and Diana were in 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.159 the same car and Deanna ended up having it. I 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.400 had it, he didn't have it. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.080 It's also just really fun to blame him for all 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:17.440 the COVID. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:18.560 Yeah, it's his fault because he. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.239 Won't He will never get tested. And let's never forget 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:22.960 the time that we all told him he had COVID 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.719 because he was hacking and gagging and sniffing and you know, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.200 licking his finger and touching all the papers and doing whatever. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.520 And he said, no, I don't and ten days later 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.400 he sent us a COVID test. I just want to 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.120 know what happened in his brain that he thought that 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.200 was appropriate ten days later, be like, see you guys, 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:41.800 I don't have it. Well, du you don't have it. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.039 You've cycled through and now everyone else has it. What 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:45.760 that was crazy? 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.720 You need to sit him down. That is probably the 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.320 most anticipated episode of Sauce on the Side for me 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:52.720 at least. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.240 Oh you mean have him on the podcast? 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.200 Absolutely? Okay, maybe please, I'm begging you, Okay, it's possible. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.880 Let's see what this text message is that Bertie's here? No, Andrew, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.640 did I leave my water in the studio? No? 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:05.159 You did not. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.680 Don't even reply to him. But I'm excited for Bertie, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.040 so I say, let's just bring him in. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.040 Sure, Mary had little lamb, her fleece was white to 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:19.800 snow Everett. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:25.680 Yeah, and I'm good. Hello, Hello, Okay, all right, Bertie Gregory, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.840 welcome back. I am so excited because one you were 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.680 the first guest on my podcast ever and it's been 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.760 going really well ever since you came here. So I'm 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.760 gonna consider you my good luck charm, and I'm really 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.200 happy that you decided to circle back because there's a 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.440 lot to talk about since you were here last. So 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.239 last time you were here, we spoke about your series 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.080 that was coming out at the time, Animals Up Close. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.520 How has that gone because I saw you on a 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:49.200 few Emmys. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.520 Yeah, it's gone pretty good. Uh Yeah, the reception from 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.520 people that's just been epic and very grateful. And Nagio 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.920 greenlit a second season of the show, so that's always 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.760 a good sign. So yeah, we've been working on that, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.800 which has been a lot of fun, and I'm excited 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.120 for people to see that new season. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.520 How long because I know we talked about how long 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.840 it took you to film some of these other episodes 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.800 for the first season, and that was a year ago, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.120 So how long is this going to take you to 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.480 complete season two? 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:27.640 Yeah? So we typically spend about a month to one 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.120 and a half months per episode in the field for 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.040 Animals up Close. So we have done half the episodes 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.560 and we've got half to go. But you'll see the 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.400 role that's going to be a little bit different to 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.280 last time. So yeah, even though we're only halfway to 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.000 the episodes, you'll be saying it sooner than you think. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.760 Okay, so we're not going to get them all at once. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.320 I can't give you too many specifics. Mickey Mouse will 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.520 hand me down, but yeah, I'm sure you can use 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.120 your imagination and join. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.640 The dots fair enough. So are you able to say 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.920 what the first episode, which animal you'll be focusing on. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:05.600 No, no, I'm not no. No. Sadly they've said I'm 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.120 here and can chat freely about about about the new 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.520 show's secrets of the penguins, but Animals up Close is 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.600 forbidden ground for now. Wowkay, which just means I have 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.720 to come back again, absolutely. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.880 Open door anytime. You want to come in, I would 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.400 love to have you. So let's talk about animals up 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.360 close winning these Emmys. First of all, did you ever 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.240 expect that to happen? Because when I saw it, I 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:24.840 was like, oh, this is amazing. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.240 No, yeah, it was pretty It's pretty epic. I mean, yeah, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.560 it was very surreal being there. And I was actually 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.280 sat next to Cake Boss if you're if you're familiar 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.480 with his work, which was around here, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.520 He's from across the river, right, yeah, yeah, her broken guy. Yeah, 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.960 he was good, fun, told me all about his cake 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.200 vending machines, which was cool, but just yeah, be uh. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.360 I guess awarded on on. I guess it's such a 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.120 broad spectrum of shows, like I'm used to going to 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.199 like awards ceremonies for animal animal shows where you sort 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.840 of know everyone and you're all sort of on the 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:12.080 same playing field, whereas, yeah, it's cool to be I 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.760 guess in a very mainstream awards ceremony and it was 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.840 great to come away with the award. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.319 So you've got to go to the actual ceremony. Did 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.840 you get to get up on stage or was this 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.679 the ones that they announced before? Like, how does that work, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.840 because I know these shows are kind of crazy. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:33.840 Yeah no, so yeah, yeah, they announced both the episodes, sorry, 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.400 both awards there and yeah we went up on stage 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.680 and ye had to give a little little pow wow 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.880 and yeah it was. It was great to celebrate it 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.840 with some of the team and yeah, cool boost for 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:44.560 this new season. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.360 Okay, so how does that work as far as the 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.520 actual award goes. Does each member of your team get 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.520 an award? Do you have to get you get a 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:53.840 few and then you have to buy the rest? 0:10:54.080 --> 0:11:00.640 Yeah? Yeah, all good and very specific questions. Yeah, so 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.160 how it works is depending on the category you are, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:09.520 you name some names. So, for example, in the cinematography category, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.000 I think you could name four or five of the 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.800 people that shot on the series. And yeah, so we 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.560 came away on the day with one for that category. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.040 But then then they make you up a bunch of 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.040 budget trophies. So we all we all got one. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.400 That's crazy, you know. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.760 Do whatever with at home, put in a private place. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:28.760 What did you do with it? 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.960 Well, because I got two probably shouldn't be admitting this, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.520 but the first one is in like a like a 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.160 you know, a course, a cool spot, and the second 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:44.280 one is actually like a toilet roll holder. It is not, yeah, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.520 because that's like if you've got you've got to spare one, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.439 you've got to do something cool with it. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.200 It is going to see that. Wow, that's crazy. Well, congratulations, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:53.760 that's awesome. And it has opened. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.600 And that is the last time I ever win one, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:56.839 because I've just admitted that. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:57.920 No, I'm sure people have. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.319 I'm very happy to take a third. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.120 I have absolutely no doubt that there is someone in 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.640 Hollywood somewhere who has pawned that thing in a pawn shop, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.920 which is a far worse fate than the toilet area. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.319 That's great. So now it's opened the door for a 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.960 lot more cool stuff for you. And you're working on 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.040 Secrets of the Penguins. When did you start filming this? 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.120 Secrets of the Penguins. So we were filming that over 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.520 a two year period. So we started filming that I 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.080 pretty much finished and the last season of Animals Up 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.719 Close and then we went straight onto to Secrets of 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.199 So that was that was awesome, And you know, I 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.800 was pretty nervous starting on it because the Secret Soft 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.520 franchise is a massive brand for National Geographic. It's it's 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.640 I think the most successful nature series executive produced by 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.679 James Cameron. You know this, the last season wasn't arrated 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.120 by Paul Rudd, pretty squorny weaver before that. You know, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.120 it's a it's a big thing to be part of. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.920 And I was worried because penguins, I think people are 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.160 pretty familiar with, and they've been filmed a lot before, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.960 you know, March of the Penguins, loads of iconic documentaries, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.640 and also I know firsthand, having filmed them a lot, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.400 that they live in really hard places to film. Yeah, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.479 so if you call a series Secrets of the Penguins, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.680 you're kind of setting expectations pretty higher high, but incredibly 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.760 I mean, we had a lot of time in the field, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.640 and that is always the key to filming new crazy behavior. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.920 Every shot we went on. You know, I thought I 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.480 knew penguins. I was so wrong. They just every time 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.280 I thought they'd hit their limit, they just do something crazy. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.360 So, okay, a couple questions based on that. First of all, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.959 what is it like to get to the penguins, because 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.000 they do live in very difficult terrain? How did you 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.640 navigate that and how long does it take? 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.280 Completely depends on the species. So the first episode is 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.320 all about emperor penguins, which is kind of the most 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.720 iconic species, the biggest one it can be, you know, 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.240 four feet tall and yeah, it's a big animal. So 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.760 we film them in a place called Atkoba and Antarctica, 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.319 which is yeah, pretty much the middle of nowhere, and 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.000 we were camping next to the colony. We were about 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.640 a mile from the colony, and so a typical day 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:18.000 would be wake up, makes some We had like dehydrated food, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.400 you know that you add water too. We had awesome 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.360 like ca camp manager called Nick who would do that 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.800 boil the snow to get water, and then we'd take 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.480 our snowmobills over to the penguin colony and just like 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.240 hang out with penguins and then come home and repeat that. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.240 And you know, at the time of year that we 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.520 were filming it, it was twenty four hour daylight, so 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.960 we were actually filming at night because that's when the 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.000 sun just kind of hovers around the horizon. So you 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.960 know like golden hour that you get as sunset, you 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.840 get like golden eight hours. Oh wow, it's just like 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.240 imagine sunset, but for hours and hours an hour, So 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.560 it's kind of the filmmaker's dream and then we'd sleep 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.240 in the in the daytime when the sun's high and 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:10.120 the light's really harsh. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.000 How cold is it? 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.640 It got pretty cold, so on our shoot we had 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.360 around minus thirty. But my colleagues who did another shoot 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.680 which was two hundred and seventy four days long. By 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.440 the way, the shoot they did, they were in Antarctica 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.800 with the emperors for two hundred and seventy four days. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.200 Didn't see their friends and family for that amount of time. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:31.080 Food. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.040 No, they were actually working with a German research based 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.760 down there, so they were on a on a station, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.680 which was cool. But they had a film day when 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.280 it was minus fifty four degrees celsius, so I don't 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.240 know what that is in fahrenheit. Also very cold. I 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.560 think minus minus forty celsius is minus forty fahrenheit. That's 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.840 when the scales overlaps, so it's cold. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.720 It's very cold. And do you prepare your body for 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.760 this before you go? Is there any type of conditioning 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.200 that you have to do or you just say I'm 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:57.720 gonna wing this. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:58.320 Here we go. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.280 Yeah, you don't want to wing it? Good pay England 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.200 pun though that's the first one of many, I hope, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.600 So it kind of depends. I mean, really the preparation 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:13.040 mainly is in your clothing, but certainly for the underwater stuff, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.320 the underwater part of the film, that's the stuff that 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.200 you really need to train for because the water is very, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.960 very cold, and you know, in the case of our shoot, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.720 because we were camping and diving, you know, under the ice, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.280 you don't really have a place to warm up, so 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.680 you need to be a lot more conservative than you 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.000 would be normally. You know, if you get really cold, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.120 it's going to take you a really long time to 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.000 warm up. So I did a lot of cold water training, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.880 so everything from you know, swimming and swimming and the 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.000 sea and stuff. But the easiest way that idea is 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.560 with just a cold shower. So put the shower on 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.320 like full cold, stick my head under it, and then 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.240 try do my times tables, because it's a good way 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.520 of kind of training your brain to like do stuff 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.600 and kind of block out the cold, which is what 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.600 you need to do when you're when you're underwater filming, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.679 you need to block out the cold, focus on what 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.600 the penguins are doing and holding the holding the camera. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.119 So I'd like start with a couple of minutes, and 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.760 then every day add you know, fifteen to twenty seconds, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.040 and then by the end could do I don't know, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.200 several minutes without getting too cold. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.400 How long were you underwater while you were shooting, So yeah, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:21.120 that was in the preparation. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.000 When we're actually underwater, probably you do like an hour 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.919 in the water and then and then and then you're 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.159 starting to get really cold. It also depends what you're doing. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.560 If you're sat waiting in the water, you're not preoccupied, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.440 you get cold really quick. But like in the third episode, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:43.320 we were filming the leopard seals hunting the penguins, and 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.000 that's like being underwater with like a sea dragon and 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.680 you're adrenalines pumping and they're really bold and curious. So 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.480 so yeah, time time flies when you're having fun having. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.560 A heart attack. Were you nervous with the leopard seals, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:58.679 because that is quite. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.280 Well the animals. It's fun watching people's reactions to that 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.480 scene in the show because the leopard seal is coming 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.840 to check me out, and you know, if you or 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.800 I want to know what a new object, you know, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.640 feels like we use our hands. Well, leopard seals don't 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:17.000 have hands. They use their teeth right, and they they 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.320 literally look like dragons underwater. The way they move is 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.840 very serpentine and they're huge lots of teeth. Yeah, grizzly 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.560 bear mouth and so yeah, the knee jet reaction is 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.639 that's really scary. But I've actually spent quite a lot 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.160 of time in the water now in Antarctica with leopard seals, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.639 and you know, you're scared of what you don't know, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.919 and so the more time you spend doing something that 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:43.240 the kind of easier it gets. And I love diving 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.439 with leopard seals because it's you know, it's it's like 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.760 every each of them are different. You know, saying, oh, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.640 I've dive with leopard zeals is wrong, Like you've dived 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.280 with individuals, and they all have different personalities. Not only 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.240 when you when you first get into they respond to 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.879 you differently, but they all kind of evolved differently during 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.760 that dive. Some of them get more shy, some of 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.040 them get more curious, some of them get more excited, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.080 and you just have to read their body language. It's 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.399 like walking into a bar, like just down the road hill. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.920 It's yeah, it is it is you walk into when 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.040 you walk into a bar. The first thing you're doing 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.000 when you're trying to find a place to you know, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.639 stand or sit or whatever, you're scanning everyone in the 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.320 bar's body language, and subconsciously, you know, I'm not going 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.000 to go sinics to those guys. They look pretty angry. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.920 I'm not gonna go sinic to those people. They look weird. Okay, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.520 the way those people are behaving, they're you know, they're smiling, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.920 they're they're happy or whatever. They're the you know, that's 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.080 the body language you you know is good. So when 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.280 you spend enough time with leopard seals, you learn that 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.119 they have body language and they can tell you a 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:47.199 lot about how they're feeling. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.440 I think the key is spending a lot of time 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.480 with leopard seals to be able to figure that out. Yeah, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.359 to me, I can't tell you the difference between a 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.399 happy one and an angry one. All I see is 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.600 a sea dragon with teeth coming at me and I 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:58.760 would have a heart attack. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.600 Which which is totally I think that's reasonable. And the 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.679 key thing really with the leopard seals, to continue with 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.920 the bar analogy, is you know, when you're in the 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.280 water with them, they will often get more and more excited, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.840 more and more inquisitive, more and more confident. And so 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.000 it's all about you know, whilst I'm saying they're not scary, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.080 they are potentially a very dangerous animal and you know 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.640 they might just be playing with you, but they could 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.679 still you take your arm off whatever. So it's all 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.040 about kind of you know, when you're in a bar 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.240 and everyone's getting more and more rowdy, and you know 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.480 at some point, like you feel like a bar fight's 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.080 going to break out. Yes, So it's all about knowing 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:38.959 I'm going to leave just five minutes before the bar 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.440 fight breaks out. That's what you need to do. With 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.200 the Leopard seal. You're like, yeah, something, the mood has 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:45.960 changed here. I think it's time to leave. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.040 You say that so casually, so you didn't have any 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.240 rough encounters with them, because you say, I can sense, okay, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:53.960 about five minutes it's going to get bad here. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:54.879 What is that like? 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.040 Is that environment? 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.040 There was one level steal actually that was that was 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.399 like bar fight mode before we even got in the water, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.639 which has never happened to me actually, And it was 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.920 really funny because Neil and James who I was diving with. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.359 Neil was driving the little rubber you know, ten foot 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.919 rubber boat we were in and James was in the 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.160 water with me, and they'd never been in you know, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.200 they'd never seen it was their first time in Antarctica. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.919 They've never seen leopard seal. So I was kind of 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.800 talking them through what to expect, and I was saying, 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.480 like the bitey ones that are like you need to 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.880 get out of the water. They will get more and more, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.640 they will like increase up to that level of bitiness, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.120 and that's when we need to get out. But this, 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.000 the very first leopard seal we saw, was bitey from 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.720 like minute one it came. We were still on the 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.320 boat and it came flying over to us, zooming over 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.800 to us, and it went around one side of the boat, 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.880 bit down on the rubber tube. Immediately the tube goes punched. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.560 It swims around the other side of the boat, and 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.920 now we're sinking because it's an inflatable boat. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:21:59.440 Oh my god. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.720 So yeah, I remember saying to Neil, like, you see 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.439 there's rocks over there. You just need to beat us 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.960 on those rocks or we're got to sink. So he 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.119 kind of went over and beached us on the rocks 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.399 and we're We're sat there now with no boat and 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.520 this lepond seal is like in the water, just like, 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.000 come on, guys, come on, come in. That was really fun. 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.520 Let's go, let's go. And we did actually while we 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.520 were waiting for our other boat to come help us, 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:24.359 me and James did actually just get in the water 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.040 with it because we're like, well, we've got to kill time. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:27.920 We think it'll be all right. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:29.159 And that is crazy. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.199 That's crazier than me. I told you last time year here, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.679 I'm always on the can I touch it thing? I 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:33.480 would want to touch it. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:35.720 You don't want to touch leapond seals. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.400 You want to get in the water and play with them? 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.440 Yeah, yeah, they're good fun. Yeah. And the other thing 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.560 is they the key thing is I think as well 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:47.280 as interpreting their body language, they mirror your your mood. 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.800 If you're really nervous and jumpy and on edge, it 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.600 freaks them out. I mean they you know, our body 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:58.280 language transcends species in the same way with humans. You know, 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.199 if you want to put someone in the ease, you 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.560 need to be at ease. And so I really feel 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.800 like because I'm chill, they're they're way. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:08.720 More relaxed was your partner that you were with. 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.520 Well, that's an interesting said James. Understandably, it was his 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.840 first first time in the water with the with the 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.040 leopard seals. He was kind of on edge and you 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.480 could really see the leopard seal behaving differently as it 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.600 went between us to check us both out. It was 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:23.959 much more relaxed with me, much more kind of on 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.840 edge and kind of pokey with with James, and of 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.320 course that makes you more more nervous. And what was 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:34.399 great was after that James was then like, okay, I 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.119 learned a lot from that dive. The next seal we 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.480 got in the water with he was much more chill 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:40.879 with And interestingly, I don't think it's a coincidence that 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.800 seal was much more chill with us. Interesting, so they 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.760 really mirror your body language, which is cool that you 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:51.920 can have like a body language conversation with an underwater 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:52.679 sea dragon. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.240 Yeah. So let me tell you this, You're the reason 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.640 that I'm probably gonna some day get bitten by something 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.320 because you're sitting here telling me. Something that I've convince 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.800 myself in my head is they can read the vibes. 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.439 I'll be cool, they'll be cool. It's fine, what. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.680 I would say is I hope I don't. I haven't 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.840 encouraged you to go get a bit, because I think 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.800 part part of the job of filming animals and being 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.920 around them is how do you make sure that they 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.960 are comfortable? And you know, the media will have you 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.440 believe that many wild animals are just out to eat you, right, 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.600 And there's only a couple of animals that actually actively 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.640 hunt humans, and that takes very specific situation, which if 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.760 you do things correctly, you can avoid. So when you 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.560 see a human attacked by a wild animal, ninety nine 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.360 percent of the time, maybe even higher, the human has 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.639 done something wrong, or the humans that interacted with that 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.040 animal before that human who got bit did something wrong. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.720 Try to feed it, So really or yeah, exactly, I 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.480 mean that's the classic one. You know, food conditioning is 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.400 a death wish for many large predators. And so really, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.879 when we talk about, you know, coexistence of humans and wildlife, 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.080 it's not about changing the behavior of the wildlife. It's about, 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.560 you know, managing the behavior of the people. They're the 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:09.600 they're the problem. 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.480 Always. I always say it's people every single time. But 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.000 you say, there are a couple of animals that will 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:15.440 actually hunt humans. What are they? 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:15.680 Is it? 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:16.320 Polar bears? 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.200 Bears are one of them, yeah, and and tigers as well. 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.720 Oh really yeah, and there are a couple others which 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.679 in the right circumstances will or the wrong circumstances depending 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:30.680 on your perspective. Uh, but but yeah, yeah, polar bears 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:35.560 live in this fairly featureless environment and their survival is 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:39.080 based on you know, curiosity. Investigating anything is a meal 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.880 for them. And but there are also ways to manage 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.879 that based on interpreting their body language. So you know, 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.959 it's it's all about understanding. Really, you know, we're we're 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.160 we're scared of what we don't know. So you learn 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.680 enough about animals and and there's there's usually a way 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.879 to manage manage what you manage your own behavior to 0:25:58.000 --> 0:25:58.679 manage theirs. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.720 So when you're in that water with the leopard seal 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.560 that is the sea dragon, and there are all these 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.360 penguins around, and they are probably actively hunting those penguins 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.960 because they want food, you're not nervous in any capacity 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:09.440 that you might get caught up in the middle of that. 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.800 No, they're super smart animals. The other thing is as well, 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:17.760 like it's a bit like sharks. You know, leopard seal 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.880 is an ambush predator. You know, when you see them 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:25.800 hunting penguins, they come out of nowhere. Yeah, leopidzeals don't 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.240 show themselves to the penguins. The penguins see they're there 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:31.240 and then they attack them. You know, they need the 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.520 element of surprise. And so if a leopard seal really 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.439 wanted to eat you or attack you, it would come 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.240 out of nowhere and you know nothing about it. So 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:41.919 anytime a leopidzeel is kind of presenting itself to you 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.720 and being all curious and playful, that's exactly what it is. 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.440 It's curiosity. It's not it's not, you know, the precursor 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:48.040 to predation. 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.800 It's still terrifying. Good for you for knowing all of that. 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.840 What about other predators in the water, I mean, I 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.560 assume there are orcas down there? 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.760 No, yeah, yeah, half of the world's killer whales. Orcas 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.480 live in the waters around Antarctica. There are lots and 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:00.879 lots of them. 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:01.800 Did you see any. 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:03.800 Yeah, yeah, we saw saw lots of them. Yeah, they're 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.560 they're amazing. Been lucky enough to film them several times. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:06.840 Yeah. 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.920 One of the episodes was on animals up close. 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:15.119 Yeah, and yeah, I mean they're they're incredible, incredible predators. 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.240 But you know, interestingly with them, there's a whole other 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.359 thing going on in that. You know, we humans are 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.320 not on the menu. That's just not what they do. 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.639 And you know, humans don't get attacked by killer welles 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.639 or at least today have not been attacked by kill 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.080 ol in the wild, only ever in captivity, you know, 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:36.919 when the animals are incredibly stressed. So yeah, I think 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.000 our relationship with animals, with wild animals, we are animals, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:45.960 is fascinating because the way that we treat different animals, 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.439 you know, culturally, and and the way that they respond 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.720 to us. I think there's there's you know, why is 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.239 it that you know, on the one hand, we you know, 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.679 many of us love dogs and have pet dogs in 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:04.800 our home. Yeah, you know, across North America, their closest relative, 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:12.040 the gray wolf, is is so aggressively persecuted. Yeah. Yeah, 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:17.520 it's it's it's so odd. It's fascinating our relationship with animals, truly. 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.240 So when you're this is going to sound like a 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.280 super super question, it is a dumb question. Are polar 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:25.040 bears down there? 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.560 No, So polar bears in the Arctic. 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.600 Yeah, okay, so you didn't have to worry about that. 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.439 No, no, And that's the really lovely thing about filming 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:36.359 penguins is, yeah, they don't really have any terrestrial predators 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.920 land based predators. Yeah, so when they're on land with you, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.280 on the ice with you, they're they're curious and kind 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.360 of Yeah, they're chill, which is you know, the if 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.600 you're filming, if you want to capture the you know, 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.480 the emotion and the drama of a human family, human 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.480 story a documentary, well you wouldn't sit in a bush, 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.200 you know, a couple hundred feet away with a big, long, 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.760 powerful lens and you know, one of those sniper Gillie 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.080 suits on and expect to catch the emotion. Well, that's 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.360 how we have to fill most wildlife documentaries with secrets 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:12.240 of the penguins. Because the penguins are chill, we can 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.040 be much close to them and use much much less 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.320 zoom lenses, less zoom lenses, that's terrible English, much much 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:24.800 wider lenses. And that's why this series feels so intimate 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.760 and really an emotional rollercoaster is because of that proximity 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:30.320 to them. 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.480 So without giving too much of it away because I 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.200 want people to watch so that they can figure out 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:35.280 what the secrets of the penguins are. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.120 I feel like we can give lots away, and I 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.600 would hope people are still going to watch because it's. Yeah, 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.680 penguins are such cool animals, so charismatic, so hilarious. But 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.200 this animal of contrasts, like, on the one and they're 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.240 really funny and goofy and awkward, and then on the 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.240 other hand, you know, can deal with conditions that no 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.360 other animal on earth can deal with. I mean, that's 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:55.680 that seems so bizarre to me. 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.880 It is, and they look so goofy, yet apparently they 0:29:58.880 --> 0:29:59.640 don't have a bird brain. 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.440 The very smart Yeah, well, I mean what's really cool 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.640 is that kind of collective intelligence. Like I feel like 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.200 the relationships between them have often been talked about, at 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.400 least with with the emperors, like the bond between the 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.800 mother and the father or between the parent and the chick. 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.880 But the coolest bond that I haven't really seen kind 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.320 of documented much, And that's what we really focused on 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.440 is the friendships that the chicks have. So unrelated chicks 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.160 from a really early age, the parents encourage chicks that 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.800 aren't related to kind of be friends, and they form 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.960 these little these little groups, these little gangs, and they 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.400 grow up together and then they kind of feed off 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:42.480 each other, not not literally, I mean they they their energy. 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.400 You know that they look for each other for confidence 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.160 and guidance, just like we do of our friends. And 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.280 I love that and that's a real big part of 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:56.400 the first episode is the teenage years of these emperor penguins. 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.320 And just like human teenagers, these penguin teenagers, their lives 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.680 are full of awkward moments and kind of experimental haircuts, 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:04.840 which is just hilarious. 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:09.040 That's so funny. So that was in the Antarctic, but 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.840 I also saw you filming in a much warmer, more 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:12.640 temperate climate. 0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:14.480 Oh yeah, it was sweet. I mean I've kind of 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.000 been pigeonholed professionally into filming in cold places. I spend about, 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.520 i don't know, eight nine months a year freezing my 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.880 butt off. So any opportunity to go to a hot place, 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.240 sign me up. So yeah, there are eighteen species of penguins, 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.480 and many of them don't live where we think penguins live, like, 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.520 you know, next to icebergs in Antarctica. I call them 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.080 the hot penguins. So there's some that live in the desert, 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.600 some that live in caves, some that lives in live 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.360 in cities. And my favorite of the hot penguins, I 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.440 need to get a T shirt with hot penguins right now. Yeah, 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.400 my favorite is the Glappagut penguin. So it's one of 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.600 the smallest and one of the rarest there's only two 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:57.360 thousand of them. And uh yeah, I mean you imagine, yeah, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.840 you think of penguins, they live on icebergs and stuff. Well, 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.280 the ancestors of these penguins got swept north on a 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.040 crazy ocean current, ended up at the equator and got 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.240 out of the water on the side of a volcano, 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.440 covered in cactuses, looking at sea turtles, just being like, 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.120 we really took a wrong turn. Guys, I'm not sure 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.760 about this, but they're amazing survivors and they've figured it out. 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:33.480 They made it work. Where do they exist in the desert? 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.920 So we filmed them on the off the cost of 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:42.360 Namibia in Africa. Yeah, and yeah, there's a really cool 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:46.720 I mean, it's one of my favorite secrets. There's a 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.720 population of African penguins that live in this massive cave 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.440 and getting into that cave. You can only get in 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.840 on certain tides, so a couple times a month. So yeah, 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.120 our team were abs sailing down into the cave to 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.280 find these penguins that no one actually what's sailing? Ab 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:08.440 sailing like repelling I think is the American American term. Yeah, 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:13.640 using a rope to go down off a cliff and yeah, 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.840 it's yeah. No, So this colony has was kind of 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.880 reported on, but no one had been there for many years, 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.800 and so as part of the project, work with scientists 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.240 to go see if they were still there, and they are. 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.240 They just a bunch of penguins hanging out in a 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:30.040 cave in the desert. 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.680 That's crazy. And again you're talking about abs sailing. This 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.840 is just something a tool that you have in your backpack. 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.440 You know how to do this or do you have 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.880 to train before you go down there and figure out. 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:39.479 How to do it? 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.280 So there's a lot of training involved. Ball. So you know, 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.160 one of the best parts about my job is that, 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:44.960 as well as getting to hang out with all animals, 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.200 get to hang out with cool people. Yeah, and our 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.040 teams are wicked. So in Antarctica, I was working with 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:54.280 this Scotsman called Scott Webster. He's like a polar specialist. 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.840 You know, I've spent quite a bit of time around ice, 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.480 but when you spend time with a real ice expert, 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.880 you realize that you know nothing. And his job was 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.719 basically to focus on kind of polar safety. And it 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.319 meant that I could focus all my effort on the 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.440 camera work and interpreting what the penguins were doing, and 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.880 he could occasionally come over and whisper, pack up your stuff, 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.680 We need to go in one minute because the piece 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.480 of ice were on has broken off of the main 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.880 piece of ice and is floating out into the Southern Ocean. 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:28.080 And that did actually. 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.000 Happen, and does it all calmly like that, And you're 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:30.560 like sure. 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.880 Yeah, he gave me a thirty minute warning. And then 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.480 I was like looking around, being like this looks very benign. 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.279 It was a lovely sunny day. And then yeah, he 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.600 came over and was like, you have one minute, let's go, 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.760 And I put my stuff on the snowmobile and turned 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.440 to drive kind of inland on the ice and I 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.879 had to dry. This crack was opening up in front 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:51.000 of me, and I drove over it and it was 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.560 about two feet wide. By the time Scott crossed it, 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.880 it was about three feet he like hopped over it, 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.920 and then we watched literally that piece of ice that 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.879 we'd spend the day on drift out into the sun 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.280 an ocean and disappear. 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.080 Well, that's terrifying. What's the insurance policy? 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.200 Like on the show, Well, I need to remember, on 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:13.080 the risk assessment it said, like worst case scenario, what 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:17.879 was it, catastrophic ice breakaway. Basically there's no like, there's 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:22.200 no like coastguard or or you know, helicopters they are 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.400 going to come rescue you. Certainly not in any you know, 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.840 quick time frame. So you just can't afford you know, 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:31.960 you can't break off on a piece of ice and 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.799 float away. That'd be really bad. Yeah, so we'd yeah, 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.440 behind our snowmobil is so funny, I mean sort of 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.600 half funny in a retrospect. 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:39.960 Yeah. 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.400 Yeah. So we basically had this like a life raft 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.040 that we dragged around behind our snowmobils. And I always 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.319 found that so ridiculous that we were just tearing around 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.799 this life raft despite being on like solid ice, And 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.520 it was because there was a chance that the piece 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.200 of ice were on could break off and just drift 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:01.239 out into the ocean, and we need this life raft. 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:02.160 It was ridiculous. 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.120 Does your family when you go out to do these shit, 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:06.840 these shoots, worry about you? 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.120 Oh yeah, yeah for sure. But I don't know. I 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.960 think walking down the street here and New York's far 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.239 more dangerous statistically. 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.040 Ah, yeah, I think so. I think there's something like, 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.000 you're more likely to get bitten by a New Yorker 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:19.359 than a shark at any given moment. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.759 I think it's far more likely. Yeah, I think it's 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.600 only Yeah, how many shark fatalities is a six or 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.440 seven or something? Yeah, yeah, compared to. 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.120 New York City fatalities much higher? 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:29.520 Yeah. 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.120 Absolutely. So when you're doing these shoots back to back 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.879 to back, what does that leave you as far as 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.239 time for your personal life? Do you have one? Yeah? 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:43.120 Yeah, I mean sure. Yeah. It makes it challenging. I 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.239 find the like the re entry process, you know, like 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.879 astronaut re entry difficult because you're Yeah, I mean it's 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.919 like coming back from another world, you know, of icebergs 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:58.360 and minus thirty in tents and penguins to then you know, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:02.600 fast forward a few days and you're in the supermarket 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.200 deciding what type of lettuce to buy. You're like, what 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:06.719 is what is going on here? 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:08.920 It would be wild ye home for you. 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.960 I live in Bristol, which is in the southwest of England. 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.040 Yeah, so do you just look around and you're like, 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.360 I'm bored here. I got to get back out. Or 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:17.719 do you enjoy a little bit of time? 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.840 Yeah it's nice, you know, it's nice. It's nice to 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.440 mix it up. But yeah, after being at home for 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.520 a little while, I get pretty itchy to get back 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:24.080 out in the world. 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:24.360 You know. 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.640 I think modern day society have become so disconnected from nature, 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.759 and I think that's part of the reason that, you know, 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.920 the planet and humanity, because we rely on a healthy planet, 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.400 is in so much trouble because we've kind of distanced 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.239 ourselves from from nature. Was sort of forgotten that we're 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.879 part of it. And yeah, so I struggle with that, 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.520 you know, coming back to a different, different world. 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.359 Yeah, So how long can you be at home before 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:52.919 that it starts and you're like, I gotta get out. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:57.600 A couple of days? No, no, no, I don't know. Yeah, 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.560 sort of sort of depends. I think. Actually, the nice 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.960 thing about filming in Antarctica is it takes a very 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:05.960 long time to get there and come back, which is 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.280 kind of annoying in some ways. You know, the journey 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.880 can be quite boring, as many days quite sea sicky 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.680 as well, but it does mean you've kind of got 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.239 your brain has time to like process that this is 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.640 a really far away place from where you live. I 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.560 think with like you know, plains, it's it's I mean 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:30.000 it's almost like teleporting, Like you get from one place 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.000 to a completely different place very very quickly, and I 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.759 think my brain, I think many human brains struggle with 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.960 that concept that like how am I? How am I here? 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.160 Whereas you could sort of have this long period of acclimatization. 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:48.320 And I find when you go to Antarctica, just the 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.359 emotion that you experience when you see the icy wall 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.880 of mountains appear out of the mist on the horizon, 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.799 Like I mean, sure it might be because I'm like, yeah, 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.800 maybe high on sea sickness medication and like deliriously tired, 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.000 but you really feel something. And I find when I 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:07.799 go to other places where you might have got there 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.600 on a plane, it's very different. You don't feel as 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.480 much when you first see it, and then it takes 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.920 a while to kind of get into it. 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:19.279 When you do these incredible, amazing things that are not 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.000 just visually beautiful and spectacular and things that most people 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.720 aren't going to see, but you're also physically experiencing things 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.399 that most people are not going to do. You ever 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.399 have a hard time relating to normal everyday people when 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:34.400 you come back when you talk to them about the Kardashians, 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:35.840 No way, why not? 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.440 It's good to catch up on Kim's gossip. 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:39.919 Yeah, right. 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:46.000 I think it sort of depends. I think it's recognizing 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:50.160 that everyone's lives are different and they're exciting in different ways. 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:54.640 I wouldn't say that. Yeah, people often say, oh, yeah, 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.000 your life's so much more exciting than my. I was 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.480 just you know, we get kicks out of doing different things. 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.360 Admit it is much more exciting than most people. 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:03.280 It's just different. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:05.720 That's a very humble way to look at. 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.759 It is different. Yeah, And I mean if you live 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.839 in New York, yeah, a different kind of wildlife here. 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:13.400 It is wild here. 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.439 Yeah. So so yeah, it's it's different. And I think, 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:21.120 you know, life's about enjoying the passage of time. And 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.799 I had a really interesting idea that, you know, the 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.719 best way to enjoy the passage of time is to 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.319 get in a flow state, you know, where you're kind 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.120 of you're so focused on the thing you're doing, you're 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:36.480 not aware of time going past. And so if if 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.160 enjoying the passage of time is the meaning of life, wow, 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.520 we got deep quick, don't we. If enjoying the passage 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.120 of time is the meaning of life, and then a 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.200 flow state is a great way of you know, being 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.799 happy and enjoying the passage of time. Figure out how 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.319 you get in a flow state, and then try to 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.279 do that thing as much as possible. And for me, 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:58.319 that's hanging out with cool animals. So that's that's that's 0:40:58.440 --> 0:40:59.200 what I try and do. 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.760 So what's your favorite normal person thing to do your home? 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.799 How do you find your flow state at home? Do 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:08.200 you find your Yeah? 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.320 Yeah, for sure, you know, hanging out with friends and 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.960 family is awesome. I mean, I'm not sure this is 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.440 a normal personal activity, but it just sprung and popped 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.560 into my mind. A big fan of frisbee golf at 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:19.200 the moment. 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:19.720 I think that's normal. 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.839 Familiar with frisbee golf. I love it. It's sweet. Yeah, 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:24.760 and it's where I lived. There's like a couple of courses, 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.719 the run through this cool bit of forest. Nice way 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.480 to spend time out in nature and get competitive with 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.319 your friends, which is always a good thing. And yeah, 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.080 I got a lot of time for Frisbee golf. Whether 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.720 or not I hit full flow state on the Frisbee 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:40.560 golf course, I'm not sure. I'd have to think about that, 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:41.600 but it's certainly a lot of fun. 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.480 You're having a good time doing it, and then two 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.279 days later you got to get back out and do 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.400 something else. Do you have a dream, destination or animal 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.719 that you are trying to go after. 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:54.719 Next Yes, And to find out what those are, you'll 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.840 have to watch the next season of Animals up Close, 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.719 which sounds like which sounds like a shameless plug, but 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.640 it's true. I mean, that's why I love working I 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.919 seek yourself also love working on Animals up Close because, yeah, 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:08.880 I have a hand in where we go and what 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.320 we film, and they're usually stories, well they're always stories 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.359 that kind of I'm passionate about and want to tell. 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:18.360 So yeah, excited to see what people think about the 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:19.080 new season. 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.440 Okay, are you in a position to call your shots 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.040 now where you say this is the animal I want 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.359 send me there or other people still saying, hey, maybe 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:26.239 we want you to check this on. 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:26.520 Well. 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.560 The cool thing about Animals up Close, you know, and 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:31.160 epic adventures, it's kind of early evolution is that that's 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.520 kind of always been the way. That's why it feels, 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.719 you know, very very real and kind of raw, is 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.640 because you know, it's following me and my team on 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:45.400 our adventures, like we want to go to these places 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.160 and this you know, we chose to go there. We 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.719 haven't just been kind of slapped onto a project going 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.359 to a place. And that's really cool. 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.440 What a life? How amazing You just get to decide 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:55.960 this is something that I want to pursue, and then 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.440 you have a team of people backing you up saying, yeah, 0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:59.279 you're really good at this. 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.480 You should go. It's not quite that simple, are There's 0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.439 a little more back and forth, but sure we can 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:05.120 leave it at that. 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:05.959 That's all okay. 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.000 So people want to watch Secrets of the Penguins, where 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:08.719 are they going to find it? 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.880 So Animals up Close the current season is streaming on 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.480 Disney Plus, and yeah, we'll be announcing the date when 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:16.960 new seasoned. 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:28.320 See I would ask you what you thought of the interview, 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.600 but I know you don't care about animals, so I 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.239 will just say, what do you think of Bertie as 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:33.680 a person? 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.640 Very nice guy. Yeah, cheers to Bertie and all his exploration. 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.480 I just wanted to be my friend and like take 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:42.480 me on one expedition. 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.759 No, you would get Bertie killed. So how would I 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:47.120 do that? 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:47.839 Oh? 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.000 I don't know. Maybe hearing that a beer is near 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.360 and running towards the beer. 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.040 No. No, see, if I'm not in charge, I will 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.279 follow the leader and he would be the leader on that. 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.000 Is there a possibility that a penguin would get smuggled 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.560 a backpack? Yes? Actually too, because you can't just have one, 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.120 that's me to have one by itself, you have to 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:05.439 have two. 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.799 Didn't you learn your lessons with penguins a long time ago? 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:10.040 Yeah? 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.880 I got it. It was worse by in my life. Okay, 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.640 worse by serrated beak so they can crush fish. Ah 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.200 on my foot. It was terrible. That's okay. I still 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.279 love them and they have lovely little bellies and all 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:21.759 I want to do. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.520 Is touch a little belly or No, so you have like. 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.279 No affection toward any type of creature. You're not like, 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:28.280 oh my god, that's so cute. 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:32.080 I like dogs. Okay, that I like. Okay. I keep 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.479 telling people this. It's like someone who doesn't like kids, 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.120 but then they have a kid, or they have a 0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.000 niece or a nephew that they love so much. My 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:45.600 family members that have dogs, I love them. Yeah, if 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.520 it's a random dog on the street, unless they remind 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.160 me of a dog in my family, I'm like, get 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.920 that thing away from me, so I'll see a dog. 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:55.360 You're so cute, don't get a bye, don't touch me, 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:55.960 you know. 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:57.759 So Scottie dog Sawyer not a fan. 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.120 No, No, I'm allergic, so I am too. Yeah, I 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.200 don't every time he brings him in my eyes. 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:07.040 Itch, no, let me tell you hear this. No Clareton, baby, 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.319 no no, I offer everybody my allergy meds so that 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:11.839 they can all go play with Slawyer because he said 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.040 a good boy. What about Ali and Max? 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:15.240 Oh they're cute. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:16.520 Oh they're cute. 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.200 They're cute. There, they're cute, And I like the difference 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.400 between them. Max is like he used to come and 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:23.880 Elvis used to bring him in all the time. So 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:25.520 I was used to Max and he was chill, And 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.399 then I loved when he turned up on this one 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:29.359 person once and I was like, oh, Max, you're my guy. 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.600 I get it. Ali, The verdict is still out on him. 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.279 But because he's always with Max, I'm like, okay. And 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.600 he's a little older now, so I'm hoping he's not 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.840 doing the crazy shit he used to do. So like whatever, 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:41.279 who that. 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:45.160 Guy kicks down gates, Well, good for him, I love him. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:45.479 Okay. 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:47.120 Who else is Taz? You don't like Taz? 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.000 No, because Taz tries to attack me literally every time 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.160 he sees he's trying to play with you. No, but okay. 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.800 And what about Oscar? Who's Oscars? Rachel's Bessenji? 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.400 Hell no, that dog looks like he would bite a 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.919 chunk out of my cat. I say it all the time. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:04.160 It's so cut all right, I love all of those dogs. 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:05.000 What about D'Angelo? 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.880 Who is that? Oh that dog? No, he bit up 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:09.880 the carpet he did. 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:11.239 That's because Andrew wasn't watching him. 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.080 Yeah, well, why do we always have to watch animals 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.000 because he's a puppy. Back in the day, they used 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.960 to just let dogs run free in their back. 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:20.600 Talking about like the organ trail days. 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.600 Sure, I wasn't there for it. I don't really know, 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:24.440 but you don't lie. 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.520 Okay, So no dogs for Diamond unless they're a familial 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:31.560 dog and then she'll like it and pay. So that's 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.399 how I feel about babies. Yeah, I'm like, if they're 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.359 babies in my family, I think you're so cute and 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.520 I will, you know, be patient with you other people's kids. 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.000 Please back up, please, A random baby crying on a plane, 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:42.359 I'm like. 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:46.480 Shut the crump, all right. So if you want to 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.439 find Diamond on Instagram. 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.400 She is at Diamond Sincere. 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.680 And I am at Baby Hot Sauce and we're going 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.719 to figure out what to do with this episode of 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.120 our thoughts on things and what to name it. If 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.279 you have a suggestion, please push a little red talk 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.480 back button and tell us what the spinoff episode of 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.120 Sauce on the Side should be where we just discussed 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.799 current events and our thoughts on those. Okay, until next time, 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.040 say bye bye.