WEBVTT - Only Homers Allowed: USC with Ryan Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal ill that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be happy, you want to be happy

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<v Speaker 2>for Dake Ado State?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tye. Hey everybody, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to a brand new only Homer's a Loud episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we are discussing USC. It's just me, I am

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<v Speaker 2>discussing USC with Ryan Abraham of USC football dot Com,

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<v Speaker 2>part of the twenty four to seven Sports Network. We

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<v Speaker 2>go way back with him, long long friend of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite simple. Obviously, this is a bonus show.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already done one of these with Oregon, we did

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<v Speaker 2>one with Notre Dame and LSU. Tie also has one

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<v Speaker 2>this week with Larry Williams discussing Clemson. But we don't

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<v Speaker 2>really have time to deep dive teams during the season

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<v Speaker 2>because we spend a good chunk, if not all, of

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<v Speaker 2>our time previewing or recapping games, so it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>take a step back and look at sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>state of the program, state of the team situation. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've found these to be quite helpful, interesting and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>you do too, whether or not you're a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the specific team we're talking about, or just a fan

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<v Speaker 2>of knowing more about teams in general. We are going

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<v Speaker 2>to do more of these throughout the season, throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>off season, because why not. We like learning and really

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<v Speaker 2>going deeper inside of teams than we have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to during the season. So there's that. And we call

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<v Speaker 2>it only Homer's allowed because of this clip. Would Homer Clublet.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it has no Homers, we're allowed to have one.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt so left out, and I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a nice reference. It goes way back to when

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<v Speaker 2>I actually watched The Simpsons, and you probably did too,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna waste any more of your time,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm recording this after the fact. Ryan was sensational,

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<v Speaker 2>not a surprise at all, usc and a complicated situation

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<v Speaker 2>with the disappointed season, but still being a program with

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<v Speaker 2>the capability of having a higher ceiling than just about

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<v Speaker 2>any program in the country. So really cool talk with Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>and hope you enjoy it. Now, All right? With that,

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<v Speaker 2>I and I guess the proverbial We are now joined

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<v Speaker 2>by Ryan Abraham, old old, dear, dear friend of the

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<v Speaker 2>solid verbal. We go way way back with Ryan. He

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<v Speaker 2>started his podcast, the Parastyle Podcast in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe when we started hours. He is the editor

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<v Speaker 2>in chief Commando High Ranking Titan of USC football dot Com,

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<v Speaker 2>which is part of twenty four to seven Sports And

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<v Speaker 2>is it CBS now Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay. How's life? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all right? You know, Southern California.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a rivalry weeks, I guess for USC coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Been excited to talk to you guys again. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>fun to watch you guys grow, like as the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>industry grows, and you know how much work it to

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<v Speaker 3>put in there. So it's been cool to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>see you guys grow along with you know, all the

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<v Speaker 3>other college football podcast out there. But you guys were

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you guys are the original.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it and same just because even pre dating

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<v Speaker 2>the solid verbal this, I mean, we've spoken about this before.

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<v Speaker 2>You were on my pre SI video shoot that I

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<v Speaker 2>eventually sold to SI as a series, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I interviewed you on camera in two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 2>at a tailgate of yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we used to host big tailgates. It became harder,

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<v Speaker 3>Like the more I got involved on the media side

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<v Speaker 3>of it really was tough to do that, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we would.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great.

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<v Speaker 3>We get like two hundred people to come out to

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<v Speaker 3>like our RV and had We had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>fun with it, but it was it was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work. People ask me all the time, do you

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<v Speaker 3>miss that. I'm like, not really, but now you got

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<v Speaker 3>to be in the press box like three hour early.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do anything like that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>This is true, and I should mention and just in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like I don't need to blow up your

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<v Speaker 2>bona fides anymore. But I did an interview with I

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<v Speaker 2>was just gonna be like anonymous and try to play

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<v Speaker 2>it cool. That was like a big broadcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>But no.

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<v Speaker 2>I did an interview with Chris Fowler and we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about podcasts, and he had been on our show

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<v Speaker 2>before and he had listened to our show, hopefully not

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<v Speaker 2>taking it too seriously ahead of big games he had

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<v Speaker 2>to call. But he was asking about podcasting in general,

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<v Speaker 2>and he mentioned that he listened to the Peristyle podcast

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of any USC game he was calling. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know what kind of dumb dums are

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<v Speaker 2>influencing major major broadcasts ahead of them. You are listening

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<v Speaker 2>to two of them right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard of Chris Fauler's yeah that he would do

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<v Speaker 3>that absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's so we're obviously here talking USC. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to the show, there's a good chance you either

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<v Speaker 2>already listened to Ryan's show, maybe listen to our show.

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<v Speaker 2>You're probably from southern California or went to us by

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<v Speaker 2>the way. If that's the case, I hope you and

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<v Speaker 2>your loved ones survived the fires and everything is that

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<v Speaker 2>like that is healthy and h and safe in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents barely barely escaped, which I'm very very grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they were fine, but their house barely barely escaped.

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<v Speaker 2>So always a scary moment to hope everybody's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is on a much less serious note, USC football, Colin,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's a great uh, it's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's it's funny you do. I'll do different radio shows,

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<v Speaker 3>and it depends who you're talking to. Some people are like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna get rid of Clay Helton, right, this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>the right direction. And other people are like whow he

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<v Speaker 3>went to the he won the Rose Bowl, they won

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<v Speaker 3>the Packed Bull Championship last year. You got to give

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<v Speaker 3>him some time. It's still pretty mixed. I think in

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<v Speaker 3>the media as far as the USC fan base goes, Dan,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not mixed at all. I've when you get a consensus,

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<v Speaker 3>like on our message boards, that never happens.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always fighting. There's always right now.

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<v Speaker 3>The only fighting is I knew before you did that

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<v Speaker 3>Clay Hilton was not going to be a good coach.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's when it's a consensus on the fans side,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably not a good sign. And you know, to

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<v Speaker 3>be fair, I think the when you talk to people

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<v Speaker 3>inside the program, you get that, you get the hey man,

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<v Speaker 3>he won the Rose Bowl, and they you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>did great things last year, winning the Pac twelve for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time in ten years, and you know they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have You're at a freshman quarterback, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>all that kind of stuff. But I think if you

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<v Speaker 3>just you consume a lot of college football, Dan, people

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<v Speaker 3>that watch, the fans that die hard watch, they see

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<v Speaker 3>the important games and how USC looks in them, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's and there's a lot of advantages to being USC

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<v Speaker 3>on the West coast, you get tons of five star recruits.

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<v Speaker 1>You just just.

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<v Speaker 3>By being just Clay Hilton being like a decent coach,

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get some good things. And you can start

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<v Speaker 3>off one in three and win the Rose Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can do that a lot of places, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>at USC. You get the right quarterback Sam Darnold, and

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<v Speaker 3>you make a run and you can do those kind

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<v Speaker 3>of things. So but the fans see what's going going on,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, scoring three points on the road against

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<v Speaker 3>Stanford and having fourteen to three leads against Texas and

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<v Speaker 3>giving up thirty four unanswered, and you know this past

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<v Speaker 3>weekend against Cal you haven't lost to them since two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not passing the Eyeball test.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do feel like, you know, Cloud is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the nicest men that you ever want to meet.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think there's a lot of shortcomings as far

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<v Speaker 3>as the coaching staff goes. Some people argue with me, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have great players. We do like a composite

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<v Speaker 3>index on twenty four to seven sports where you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the current roster and where they were ranked come

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<v Speaker 3>out of high school. I know it's not exact science,

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<v Speaker 3>but you look at the top four programs, USC is

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<v Speaker 3>number four on that index. The three teams above them

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<v Speaker 3>are Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. Those teams are all

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<v Speaker 3>really good. The outlier is USC that isn't really good.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, you can say recruiting rankings don't mean everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's a pretty good indicationion of the top three

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<v Speaker 3>teams in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And why is USC not.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not like number ten or fifteen, They're like nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>near that. So to me, yeah, and that's sorry for

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<v Speaker 3>the long.

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<v Speaker 2>Time year this is this this show for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more about the coaching side, I think, the development

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<v Speaker 3>side than the talent that they have on the team

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is when you look at this season specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously the conversation about USC is a bigger picture

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<v Speaker 2>than just any one season. But when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>this season, what is plain old dumb unluckiness and what

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<v Speaker 2>where is their legitimate concern that was avoidable concern unforced errors?

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<v Speaker 3>If you will, Oh, that's a good one for unluckiness.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, I mean a lot of the unluckiness

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<v Speaker 3>though I think you bring on yourself. Like you could

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<v Speaker 3>say it was unlucky against Cal that USC had a

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<v Speaker 3>snap go over JT. Daniel's head when they're up fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>to nothing and they were driving, you know, to start

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<v Speaker 3>the third quarter, and that set Cal on a like

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<v Speaker 3>an eight minute run where they scored fifteen points and

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<v Speaker 3>that was enough to win the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say a batsnap is an unforced era.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, yeah it's but that's also for a bats snap

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<v Speaker 3>from a center who's been committing bad snaps all year,

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<v Speaker 3>and the coaching staff refuses to bench the seniors captain.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there's been some unlucky things, but a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of them, Dan, I think you bring on yourself

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<v Speaker 3>by dudes. I feel like there was coaching changes that

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<v Speaker 3>needed to be made, like the the Neil Callaway yeah

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<v Speaker 3>being fired after you know, after week nine, I believe

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<v Speaker 3>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the offensive line coach, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>The offensive line coach that was he probably shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>been around after last year.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Clay Hilton kind of waited too long to

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<v Speaker 3>do some of these things. And you know, we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>him make, you know, some in retrospect poor decisions, but

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of them. I think that the Sam Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Max Brown people get upset for him, but I understood

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<v Speaker 3>that in the beginning, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe after a while.

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<v Speaker 3>No, But but a lot of the other ones have

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<v Speaker 3>been like very apparent, you know, and they have, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>half of their staff are kind of like part time recruiters. Dan,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't even get involved in that. If you remember

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<v Speaker 3>the Pete Carroll years, like everyone and had to be

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<v Speaker 3>a relentless recruiter. I think in college football, if you

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<v Speaker 3>have a staff and not everyone just you might have

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<v Speaker 3>one guy that's not a relentless recruiter, but if you

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<v Speaker 3>have more than that, it's really a problem for the program.

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<v Speaker 1>And USC has a lot of that. So I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been some kind of you know, weird luck stuff

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<v Speaker 3>in both directions. I mean, I think they're fairly lucky

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<v Speaker 3>to get a win against Washington State, the best looking

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<v Speaker 3>team in the Pac twelve right now. But a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it, to me, Dan was kind of self inflicted wounds.

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<v Speaker 3>Things that you made a decision maybe you know, six

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<v Speaker 3>months ago, eight months ago, and it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>coming to roost now you're seeing the results of it now,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's hard to call that bad luck when you

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<v Speaker 3>could have prevented that by making a change earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought in watching and I just actually rewatched

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<v Speaker 2>the second half and it was painful to watch of

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<v Speaker 2>the usc COL game because I felt like in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways that was like a super microcosm of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, and playing a pretty solid first half, and

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<v Speaker 2>the defense really came to play, and really a defense

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<v Speaker 2>you could argue came to playing that entire game. They

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<v Speaker 2>just were not helped out by the offense. Then completely

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<v Speaker 2>shut out in the second half, and mistake after mistake

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<v Speaker 2>and drive stall after drives, all unnecessarily in some cases.

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<v Speaker 2>So when just focusing on this offense, it was hard

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<v Speaker 2>to have a real good concept of what JT. Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>would look like as a true freshman coming in. I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody would agree on that, But just in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what this offense, you know, what everybody envisioned this

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<v Speaker 2>offense to be moving forward after a pretty successful year

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<v Speaker 2>last year, and what it sort of looks like now

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<v Speaker 2>with certainly a couple of huge playmakers not there. And

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<v Speaker 2>everybody knows Sam Darnold, but I think the Ronald Jones

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<v Speaker 2>thing is pretty huge, and what he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>do when he was healthy for USC, just in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of moving that offense in a pretty big direction forward.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to get from optimism and talent to almost

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<v Speaker 2>flatlining with or without Tim Martin calling the plays.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the play calling thing doesn't matter all

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<v Speaker 3>that much to me. It's more about the offensive design.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like when this coaching staff gets a quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>that they just trust, like Sam Darnold, it was more

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<v Speaker 3>about a one read and then go let him do

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<v Speaker 3>you know, off script, do your own thing, be creative.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like they're doing that with j T.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniels as well, because if you saw games where his

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<v Speaker 3>backups were in where Matt Fink or Jack Sears who

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<v Speaker 3>played in different games when JT.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel was hurt, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Offense looked like it would actually flowing, like they looked

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<v Speaker 3>like there was some sort of cohesion, like there was

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<v Speaker 3>a plan in place.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like with JT.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniels it's more of, hey, go find one of your

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<v Speaker 3>five star wide receivers deep and huck it down to

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<v Speaker 3>him and he'll probably go make a big play. It

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't seem like they're helping him out quite as

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<v Speaker 3>much as they were some of the other guys, but

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<v Speaker 3>they do have playmakers. I mean, I love, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Tyler Vonn's one of my favorite guys to cover. He's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing players, just so smooth out there. And Michael Pittman's

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<v Speaker 3>come on really well on the outside. I'm on Ross

0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Saint Brown's a true freshman, makes a lot of plays.

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<v Speaker 3>He was better earlier in this and that he is

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<v Speaker 3>now they're they're kind of bracketing them a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more and trying to take them away. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they got a good stable of running backs aka Cedric

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<v Speaker 3>Ware was basically in Ronald Jones's shadow. Another Texas kid

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<v Speaker 3>came in the same year and he's had a huge,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, true senior season after Ronald Jones left. He's

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<v Speaker 3>on his way to, you know, potentially get one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand yard season. So I think they're fine at the

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<v Speaker 3>playmaker spot. The biggest issue to me, dan Is is

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<v Speaker 3>the offensive line, because they had a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 3>coming back, like full four, full time regular starters, a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of other guys that have starting experience. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they were fifteen deep and all of them or four

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<v Speaker 3>and five star guys, so and they've had the same

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<v Speaker 3>system for about a six year stretch. Dan, They've had

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<v Speaker 3>a different offensive line coach every year. They've had the

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<v Speaker 3>same guy for the last three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's let go. But they should have been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better than what they were.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to have minus five yards rushing against Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>the forty one yards rushing in the second, forty one

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<v Speaker 3>yards total in the second half against Calk.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that shouldn't be happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're seeing complete bus where you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>a Stanford game back when you know they almost scored

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<v Speaker 3>three points against Stafford losing seventeen to three. There were

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<v Speaker 3>so many instances where four rushers were trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>to JT. Daniels or stop the run with six or

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<v Speaker 3>seven guys blocking, and one or two of those rushers

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<v Speaker 3>would come unblocked. It's amazing, Like the numbers just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>work out. You could almost double team every guy and

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<v Speaker 3>they still weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Able to block.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's been a lot of bus you know, mental

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<v Speaker 3>rep you know, mental bus, physical beats, things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But to me, I think it's the offensive line that's

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<v Speaker 3>been the biggest issue. But that's coupled with overall just

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<v Speaker 3>the offense when you're running with JT. Daniels just doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>seem like it's it's something that's well thought out. Like

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.720
<v Speaker 3>you watch Mike Leach's offense, it's like you might not

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<v Speaker 3>agree the way he does it or whatever, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>well thought out. And if you look at USC, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not well thought out.

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<v Speaker 2>They are there playing to a system. You can tell

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<v Speaker 2>that the players know why they're doing everything when everything

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<v Speaker 2>is going to happen. And when Washington State is beat

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<v Speaker 2>like they did lose to USC, it's because they were outplayed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you know, people, Washington State fans I think

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<v Speaker 2>have some some room to stand on some some calls

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<v Speaker 2>in that game. Probably both teams do. But with USC, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my question with you know you're pointing to

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive line is the big group that has disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a recruiting evaluation thing like four and five

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<v Speaker 2>stars are really sort of Mountain West type talents or

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<v Speaker 2>do you see it as a development thing where guys

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<v Speaker 2>look great for two game stretches, three game, four game

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<v Speaker 2>stretches and then for whatever reason, disappear and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a development and you know, coaching them up

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would lean more towards the development side because

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<v Speaker 3>they are definitely players that were recruited by you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Alabama or some other big programs, So there weren't like

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't four star guys that they were four stars

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<v Speaker 3>just because USC game.

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<v Speaker 1>And offer like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That can happen, you know, you can get, yeah, some

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<v Speaker 3>inflation in the ratings and stuff like that, but for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part it's been that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's been some missus.

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<v Speaker 3>Stanford's done a really good job of recruiting five star

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<v Speaker 3>offensive linemen on the West Coast and you know and

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<v Speaker 3>around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>So they'll get some of those guys.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, for me, I think they've developed some

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<v Speaker 3>like a Chris Brown is probably their best offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 3>He's playing guard for them right now, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's graded out the highest on Pro Football Focus and

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<v Speaker 3>to've seen some instances of that. But there's other guys

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<v Speaker 3>like Austin Jackson, who's playing left tackle right now, hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to develop as much.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a really athletic kid.

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<v Speaker 3>You watch him like, yeah, I could see that guy

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<v Speaker 3>being in the NFL, but we haven't seen him really

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<v Speaker 3>take the next steps, and I think, you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's coming down to coaching. It just seems like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Neil Calloway was an older you know, he's an older coach.

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<v Speaker 3>He's you know, really nice guy, wasn't really fun. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really talk to the media very much. You just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of kept to himself. But that you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't seem to like resonate. He didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>connect with these younger players, where Tim Drevno that have

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<v Speaker 3>now seems like there's at least a connection there that

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<v Speaker 3>players will talk about, Hey, we're doing more technique stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>He's fixing things when we do something wrong. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can change a whole lot. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying Tim Drevis was the greatest offensive line

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<v Speaker 3>coach in the world. It's hard to it's really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to evaluate that. But when you could watch like the

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<v Speaker 3>five guys play as a unit and just not pick

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<v Speaker 3>up where you know, someone just runs a stunt or

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<v Speaker 3>a delayed blitz or something and they have no idea

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? To me that that usually points to coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, preparedness and coaching. So you are I mean,

0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you're at practice covering the team. You obviously go to

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<v Speaker 2>games you're on the road, but you're also there summer workouts,

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<v Speaker 2>fall camp, like you are around this team, you and

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<v Speaker 2>around you know the past, however many teams. You really

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<v Speaker 2>have a good concept of what these teams look like,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of soup to nuts before this season started, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're watching workouts here in fall camp. How did this?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we can still focus on offense in your minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Should the offense be far, far beyond what it appears

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<v Speaker 2>to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you actually surprised that they've struggled like they have.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of am.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we knew that the offensive line would be

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<v Speaker 3>really the lynch pit. I mean, you needed the offensive

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<v Speaker 3>line to play well, and it just seemed like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all these guys back, they got to be better this year.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, to come out of the gate in

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<v Speaker 3>the second game of the season and score three points

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<v Speaker 3>against you know, a six wins stamp for team.

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<v Speaker 1>We know now that's that's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 3>And I get that there's a freshman quarterback, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>he's been really I mean, he's been good in spots,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not been great.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the USC fans are on him.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's you know, best suited for the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of offense they want to run, because when you

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<v Speaker 3>when you have a quarterback that's not really a threat

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<v Speaker 3>to take it and run himself when you're doing all

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<v Speaker 3>those fakes and stuff with the zone reads, it just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't seem to work that well. But the guys behind him,

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<v Speaker 3>like Jack Sears and Matt Fink, they're more runners. They

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<v Speaker 3>can do that a little bit better. So if you

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.480
<v Speaker 3>want to run this offense, you're probably better off using

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<v Speaker 3>one of the other guys. But I don't put a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the blame on the you know, the true

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<v Speaker 3>freshman quarterback and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But really it is that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was kind of surprised because when you see

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<v Speaker 3>seven on sevens, when you see the the offseason workouts,

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<v Speaker 3>you see all the athletes out there, and I'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>to coaches that you know from other Pac twelve programs

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<v Speaker 3>and ask them like, hey, you know, what do you

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 3>think of USC's talent level, And none of them have said, oh,

0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.720
<v Speaker 3>they're overrated. They all said, yeah, that's a really talented team.

0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.720
<v Speaker 3>They're just not that disciplined or not that well, coach,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's kind of bad. So I would I

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<v Speaker 3>thought they would be a little bit better this year

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<v Speaker 3>on offense, at least, I mean a lot better than

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<v Speaker 3>what they've looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>And they'll they'll have like a great quarter, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, where they score a bunch of points and then

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<v Speaker 3>they'll like shut down for the rest of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just that to me, it has a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the interesting things to me about this USC

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.600
<v Speaker 2>team is given the offensive struggles, and that really does

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.639
<v Speaker 2>put a pretty big weight on the defense just because

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you are, you know, the offense stalls really quickly the

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.159
<v Speaker 2>defense is back out on the field, the defense can

0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.720
<v Speaker 2>get tired. That's when we see injuries happen. And USC

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 2>has had you know, the Ben Snake bitten in the

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<v Speaker 2>secondary for a chunk of this season. Obviously, Porter Gustin

0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.760
<v Speaker 2>is out for the year. Cam Smith, I believe, has

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<v Speaker 2>missed time this year, and there was a lot of

0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.000
<v Speaker 2>turnover up front just because of graduation and NFL stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But the defense largely has you know, kept it together.

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<v Speaker 2>They've they've performed, you know, probably they've overachieved at times

0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.680
<v Speaker 2>given what they've had to deal with. With their own offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Has that surprised you that the defense, even with things

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<v Speaker 2>stacked against them to whatever, to whatever extent, has accomplished

0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.400
<v Speaker 2>impressive results.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I think it's it's kind of a

0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.119
<v Speaker 3>mixed bag. I've seen them put in sudden changed situations

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.840
<v Speaker 3>quite a bit and respond well in games, you know,

0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.960
<v Speaker 3>other games not as much. And some of it we've

0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.320
<v Speaker 3>seen some frustration Isaiah Langley that the corner went over

0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.560
<v Speaker 3>and kind of bumped JT. Daniels, but it seemed like

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe it was more mad at the offensive line or whatever.

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 3>When you know, basically the USC was pitching a shutout

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.800
<v Speaker 3>against Cal and then they give up a safety, so

0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 3>it's like and but you know they two short fields

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 3>and Cow scores two quick touchdowns and it's over. So

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 3>that's a situation where we've seen other times during the

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 3>season they would bounce back and get a stop, and

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.159
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't, and you know, you get it, like

0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.560
<v Speaker 3>if the offense is just going to go not scoring

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.280
<v Speaker 3>for you know, twenty minutes, thirty minutes at a time,

0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.439
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot to ask, uh for this defense. And

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 3>I think they've had some some guys play well, like

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Emon Marshall had a horrible penalty at the end of

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 3>the cow game, but his numbers are really good as

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:14.919
<v Speaker 3>far as like they're just not completing a lot of

0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 3>passes to his side of the field.

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I think he helped himself.

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.960
<v Speaker 3>He's a former five star kid who was going to

0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 3>he wanted to be, you know, leave as a junior,

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.399
<v Speaker 3>but came back and he's played a lot better this

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.040
<v Speaker 3>year than he has in years past, So I think

0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 3>that's helped. But as a secondary, uh, what's your what's

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 3>your the line in the celibra, Like, what's your favorite

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.119
<v Speaker 3>interception from USC this year, they've had two, like the

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.879
<v Speaker 3>last in the country in interceptions, but they're they're I

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:41.879
<v Speaker 3>think they're second in the country, and like passes defended,

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of that's up at the line of

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 3>scrimmage with defensive linemen and linebackers, so you gotta I

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 3>think you've got to create.

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 1>A few more opportunities. But it's hard.

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I think when one side of the ball is very

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.119
<v Speaker 3>hit or missed and there'll be some big plays and

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 3>then just the lulls of nothing, it's hard for the

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 3>defense to kind of keep in mind. So I might

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 3>be a little bit more of a defensive apologist or whatever.

0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 3>When you know, people tell there's a lot of USC

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.560
<v Speaker 3>fans that are upset with the defense, but I give

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 3>them more of a pass just.

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Because what they've had to do. So I agree with

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you more so.

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>When you look at and you mentioned, you know, Clay Helton.

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Everybody loves him as a human and there are some

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 2>things that you know, certain people are I think a

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of USC fans look at as shortcomings with him

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 2>as running a big program. Where is he best as

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:25.399
<v Speaker 2>a coach?

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:30.359
<v Speaker 2>What is sort of unassailable that he has done well?

0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he gets the team together and and

0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 3>he's they need they there's things that they needed that

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Clay Hilton brings to the table. So you could, you know,

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't agree with the higher I don't think his

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.360
<v Speaker 3>resume was anywhere near what you would want for someone.

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>To coach USC.

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 3>But they did need an adult in the room and

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Clay Hilton has certainly brought that to the table. He's

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 3>brought some stability and I think the players you know,

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 3>rallied around them.

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:55.239
<v Speaker 1>They like him.

0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 3>They feel like he's a father figure to them, and

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.240
<v Speaker 3>I think he's been honest with them.

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think he's been.

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.879
<v Speaker 3>Very steady and just a force that they needed someone

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't going to be a rollercoaster, and he's definitely

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 3>not been that. And you know, he's bringing a routine

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 3>to this team, but sometimes you could say it's a

0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 3>routine to a fault, like they don't change a lot.

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Every week is.

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 3>Like the same thing, doing the same thing, and I

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.640
<v Speaker 3>feel like maybe after a while, by week ten, you're like, hey,

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.919
<v Speaker 3>let's mix it up a little bit, let's change practice

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 3>days around or something like that. But I think the

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 3>biggest thing he's brought some stability there because you had

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.160
<v Speaker 3>the Lane Kiffin and the Steve Sarkisian stuff. I mean,

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 3>stark lasted I think it was fifteen or sixteen games,

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 3>like that's all he coached at USC. It's crazy to

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 3>hire a head coach and he doesn't last, you know,

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:42.560
<v Speaker 3>a year and a half.

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.919
<v Speaker 1>So I think they needed that stability. And if you

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:46.919
<v Speaker 1>were going to say.

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 3>If Clayout only lasts for three years as a permanent

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 3>head coach, I still think it was a positive thing

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 3>overall for USA. I know there's a lot of fans

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 3>that are upset, but he brought some really nice results

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 3>in those first two years above what you would expect

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 3>from someone Clay Helton, and they did bring some stability

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.159
<v Speaker 3>to the program. It just if you're looking at it

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 3>and saying, hey, you want to be in the playoff picture,

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 3>you want to be in the national conversation, it doesn't

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>look like that's going to be a regular thing outside

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 3>of you know, getting a Sam Darnold in the program

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:17.680
<v Speaker 3>and he can do some amazing things. It just doesn't

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 3>seem like the staff and he has put together is

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the on the road to bring you there?

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's a staff thing? Do you think

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a culture thing? Where he is you know, he

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.919
<v Speaker 2>has raised the floor of that that personal you know,

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>he's drama free. You know, Sark and lang Kiffin, we're

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 2>very much not where he's raised the floor of Okay,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>we are not going to be an embarrassment, you know,

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>doing things around the program. But at the same time,

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have that staff of killers, he doesn't have

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that culture necessarily. Will you see other schools that have

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>succeeded and you know, you go behind the scenes of

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Michigan or Clemson or Alabama or Georgia where there is

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.200
<v Speaker 2>that that cohesive element where everybody is bought in every day,

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>every hour, every minute. And maybe that's not necessarily the

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 2>case with USC. Is that the big thing that's lacking

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 2>culture and that that sort of staff of killers.

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 3>There they've you know, he took a different route if

0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 3>you look at what Justin Wilcox did. Who's you know,

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 3>the new head coach at Calvin their couple of years.

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 3>He brought in Bill Baldwin, you know, a head coach

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>to be his offensive coordinator. He brought in Tim de Ruder,

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 3>who was a head coach at Fresno State, you know,

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 3>got ten win seasons and stuff, to be his defensive coordinator.

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 3>He brought in people that would be threatening to take

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 3>his job if he doesn't do well.

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like Clay Helton went the other way.

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 3>He brought in familiar people that no one was really

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 3>threatening to take his job, like there wasn't there's not

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 3>really a head coach on the staff outside of, you know,

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.959
<v Speaker 3>of Clay Helton, so they don't have that those kind

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 3>of generals that you would want to go to war with.

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 3>They're all kind of lower level guys and you're you know,

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of guys are doing jobs for the very

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 3>first time. If you're a first time head coach, you

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 3>don't want to hire a first time offensive coordinator. And

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 3>that's what Ryleton with tem Martin, he brought in. He promoted,

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, from the support staff, Brian Ellis, who's the

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 3>now the quarterback coach, knowing that he has no quarterback,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 3>he's not never been a permanent quarterback coach for a

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 3>college program, and you knew you were going to have

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 3>a you know whoever, your quarterback isn't going to start

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.959
<v Speaker 3>for the very first time, so all of that stuff

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 3>is like you're wondering why, Like, yeah, you're familiar with

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 3>these people, but they haven't done the job before. And

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 3>I think if you're a young head coach who hasn't

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 3>been around the block a lot, you'd want to bring

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 3>in more experienced people. And the one hire he made

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that I liked was Delan McCollough, the running back coach

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 3>last year, and he helped Ronald Jones have a fifteen

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 3>hundred yard season he was at Indiana, And you look

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 3>at that and a lot of people ask like, well,

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 3>the coaches really even want to come to USC. Well,

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 3>I talked to Delan McCullough quite a bit. He developed

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 3>running backs from Indiana, put him in the NFL. He

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.199
<v Speaker 3>recruited in SEC country, trying to convince guys to not

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 3>go to LSU or not go to Auburn, and he

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 3>got somebody, didn't get other ones. And he would tell me,

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 3>like after their careers, they would come to me and say,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, I wish I would have came to see you.

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to get guys to go to Indiana, he said.

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Once he came to USC. It's more about picking which

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 3>one you want. Then, Oh, I got to convince some

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>guy to come to USC. They want to do that.

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 3>So he saw the advantages that you have of just

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 3>being at a USC and.

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>He came in and did a lot of great things.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>He changed a lot.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Now he ended up leaving and going to the Kansas

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 3>City Chiefs after a year. And we didn't see that

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 3>sort of hired. You know, that was a very successful hire,

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 3>even only stayed for a year. I didn't see Clay

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:33.919
<v Speaker 3>Outon kind of do that again. It was more a

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 3>one off thing. So for me, it's about getting out

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 3>of your comfort zone when you're hiring people. Get the

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 3>people that have done the job before somewhere else. They

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know the fights on, they don't know anything, but

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>no know anything about USC.

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They've heard of it. That's it, and bring him in

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to do their job.

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 3>And I think if Clayilt gets another chance and he

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 3>can go out and redo the staff that way, I

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:54.959
<v Speaker 3>think he can be successful.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>But the way he's hired the.

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Staff that I just don't think it was really set.

0:27:58.680 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Up for success.

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 2>So this is going to sound crazy, and most of

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>my theories about USC generally are, but I think there

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.360
<v Speaker 2>is there's a little bit of meat on this bone.

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>So the conventional wisdom with USC is the premiere program

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>in the PAC twelve. I think that's correct. I think

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, I think that's irrefutable at this point,

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 2>just because the PAC twelve sort of goes as USC

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 2>goes at sometimes Oregon. When you have that flash, you know,

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 2>when you had Pete Carroll, you had flash, when you

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>had Chip Kel you had flash at the top of

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 2>the conference, it made a difference. But the conventional wisdom

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>with USC is you're in LA you can just walk

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>out your door and choose, you know, whatever five star,

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever four star you want. And I don't think that's

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 2>not true, but I think there is something misleading about

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>or I don't know if it's misleading, but like we

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>look at the stories about Larry Kocher at Miami where

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 2>he just you could walk out the door in Miami

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and he sort of starchased. He went on like rivals

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 2>dot Com and he just put together these amazing classes.

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>But when you actually look at the physical makeup of

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>these classes, it didn't makes sense in a lot of cases,

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and the evaluation wasn't There is there an element of

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>USC recruiting actually being difficult because there are challenges with

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.479
<v Speaker 2>I mean USC, and this is along with Miami. You

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>look at those top programs that you mentioned, whether it's Georgia, Alabama,

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State, Clemson, how many of those programs have a

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty big, healthy chunk of their recruiting classes come to

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>them within a half hour, you know, forty five minutes

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>an hour. And is that necessarily a bad thing that

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>players aren't from that exact city.

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's a great point.

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 3>I think when you talk about recruiting, it's kind of

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 3>like you're building a wall and you need brick and

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 3>you need mortar.

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>You don't need everyone to.

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Be a five star guy, you need some of those

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 3>guys that gel and if there's some kid who's a

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 3>three star that grew up I mean maybe you grew

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 3>up close by, maybe it's a little further away dreaming

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 3>about going to USC and you don't and there's a

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 3>reason to take and like, hey, yeah, maybe there's a

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 3>guy we have a little bit ranked higher on our board,

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>but this is a good guy to bring into the program, right.

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 3>I think Thomas Graham was a guy like that who's

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're familiar with up at Oregon. His sister

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I think was going to USC, like he wanted to

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 3>go to USC forever, was committed. They didn't really recruit

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>him all that hard, and it's like that's a kid

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 3>that and he's actually good, you know, he's he's started.

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he started, Yeah, he started Ashman. Yeah.

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 3>So someone like that, like USC would like kind of

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 3>pass on because there was someone else with more stars

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 3>or something that they were looking at.

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>And ever, what you just needed to take guys like that.

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>You need to fill in your class with other people

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 3>that you just feel comfortable with that you know, that's

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 3>what they grew up wanting to do. You know they're

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 3>going to help the program, So I think you can

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of get star chasing. But I think Pete Carroll

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>had it best where it's more about evaluation than recruiting.

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 3>That there are those stars out there everyone you know,

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 3>but if you don't like a four or five star guy,

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 3>don't recruit them, you know, And I think sometimes you

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 3>can chase those stars a lot and you get the

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 3>average star rating to be really hot. USC's is always

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>like you know, one or two in the country as

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>far as like the average star guy coming in. But

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 3>it's to me, it's more about the evaluation process because

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 3>there's going to be some guys that are overrated, and

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you can't avoid getting them all. I mean,

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 3>you're going to get at some of them every once

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>in a while, but if you get too many of them,

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 3>and I think that really hurts your recruiting class. So

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. Evaluation to me is the hardest part.

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Because you have so many talented players in Southern California

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 3>you can choose from. You got to make sure you

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 3>choose the right ones because then you let a Thomas

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Graham go because you went over him and he's starting

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 3>at one of your rivals, and obviously when he comes

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 3>back to play USC, he wants to beat him pretty bad.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I also think there is something where you didn't grow

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>up in southern California, or did.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>You No, I'm a Yankee Pennsylvania and then in Massachusetts

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 3>is where I went to high school.

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, But then you went to USC, right?

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I did, Yes, I moved out yeah.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>And now it's like you live in you live in

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the South Bay. You are a Southern California person through

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and through, which I think is important. I think there

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>is something about college where you challenge yourself. You challenge yourself,

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>you push yourself. There's something about inserting yourself into a

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>new culture that helps to grow you. And I don't

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>think that's all that different with college football. And that's

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>why I mentioned, like, you know, Clemson has a bunch

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of Georgia kids, and Alabama has kids from Texas and

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Maryland and Indiana and California whatever that. I think there's

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>something about people coming from different backgrounds and when USC

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and USC has had a ton of success stories with

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>high school kids from LA you know, whether it's the

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Sarah kids, with Robert Woods and Marquis Lee. I think

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Juju went to Long Beach, Paully. I want to say,

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>but you look at the Bedrocks at different position groups

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>for USC over the years, whether it's Pete, Carol Linkiff

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and Sark whoever, and there are a ton of kids

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't seem like that's still happening from out

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand miles two thousand miles away, whether it's you know,

0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne Jared or Ray mal Luga or Jeff Buyers from Colorado,

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Lindell White from Colorado, Leonard Williams maybe the best defensive

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>linean USC has ever had from about as far away

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>as possible. And the more I see that USC has

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty of their twenty five kids from southern California, the

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>more I wonder, Yes, they are more talented than everybody

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 2>else in the Pac twelve. But does this sort of

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>extension of high school make for a top five, ten,

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>fifteen culture? Is there any truth to that in your mind?

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>No? I think that's a great point.

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 3>I think when you recruit nationally, you have to be

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 3>relevant nationally. So it's harder for like five and five

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 3>USC team to do that. But they got some guys

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 3>that were on you know, achacentric ware. I think has

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 3>been a pretty good leader coming out of Texas. So

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>they have some guys. But when we've seen what we've

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 3>seen from this staff, Dan is a good closing staff.

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 3>But because you have like half of the staff being

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 3>part time recruiters, that makes it harder to get more

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>of the national guys, more from other states, because they've

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 3>really closed on guys locally. Like they didn't have a

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 3>safety class a couple of years ago and they got

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>a kid from Arizona and a kid from Vegas, which

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 3>is you know, it's pretty local to check out for it.

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but those were guys that were, you.

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Know, in the Pactuel footprint and you can get them

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 3>pretty easy. But they've they've done a lot of it,

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 3>sort of like cramming for a test at the end

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 3>where they're they're really they're procrastinating, and then they recruit

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>at the end and they still get some of these guys.

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.919
<v Speaker 3>But I think the problem is going to be, well, yeah,

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 3>they had the Rose Bowl, they had the pact World Championship,

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 3>and that helps you get those guys at the end.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.280
<v Speaker 3>This year you're five and five fighting to be bull eligible.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be a lot harder and

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 3>the way we have it within the early signing period.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Most people are signing in the early signing period. Now

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 3>we thought it would be like a split thing. No,

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.280
<v Speaker 3>it's like pretty much you signed there and then signing

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Day in February is just not as big of a

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 3>deal anymore. So it's it's changed. And this year, I

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>think specifically Dan, because of the problems on the field,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 3>they're not going to be able to do the same

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 3>thing they done the last couple of years. But I

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 3>think you're right, they've done that the last couple of years.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 3>But a lot of it is getting Southern California guys

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>at the last minute. It's gonna be harder to do that.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna be a lot more planed B and maybe

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 3>plan C guys for this recruiting class because the team

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 3>has struggled so much. And then you look at the

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 3>overall makeup of the roster. Yeah, it's like a bunch

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 3>of Southern California kids, which are really talented, but you

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.720
<v Speaker 3>do need some of that now. It takes a maintenance

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>sometimes if you get a player from out of state,

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 3>especially as far away as Florida or something like that,

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 3>guys get homesick, and.

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Things like that.

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 3>But that's that's something you have to nurture and but

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 3>you can make it a great part of your culture

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 3>if you can work those guys in there. And I

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 3>think it helps the overall team chemistry when you do.

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's you know, you look around the Pac

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>twelve and the teams that are succeeding are not doing

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 2>it with local talents. This is you know, Washington State

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 2>is all over the west coast, and Oregon's all over

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the country. Stanford is all over the country. And I

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 2>think there's there's probably something to that. You probably would

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>have had a very different experience at USC if you know,

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you were surrounded by high school friends. Yeah, it was,

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>it's probably it's probably not a huge deal, but I

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's sort of an underrated element of all

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>of this. Do you think at this point that Clay

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Helton is fighting for his job?

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting. I think the last two games do mean

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot. It means when you're talking to the fan

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 3>base and you talk to boosters, Uh, they care that

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 3>you got blown out last year by Notre Dame in

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Ohio State, Like those are two of the games that

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>they really care about.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Like they cared about Texas too, but.

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>This year, you know, they don't want to see you

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 3>not scoring agains Stafford. They don't want to see you

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 3>on the road. I mean, you got to be competitive. Yeah,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 3>And that the Texas game, so many USC fans went

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 3>out to that. Austin's a great it was a great weekend.

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 3>And those are the kind of games the fans love

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 3>to go see. But you don't get blown out. But

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a decent Texas team. But it's not

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 3>like it wasn't like you got blown up by Alabama,

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 3>right right, you know, So those are the kind of

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 3>things that really, you know, kind of upset the fan.

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 3>So I think for Clay Hilton, everything we've heard from

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 3>inside the program, most of the stuff we've heard, you're

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 3>hearing all kinds of stuff. USC is in a weird

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 3>spot right now because they got all these other problems

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 3>that the Board of Trustees is dealing with. They don't

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 3>have you know, Max Nikias is no longer there the

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 3>president of university. They have an interim president right now,

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 3>and you have Lyn Swan who's the third athletic director

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 3>in a row, which just happens to be a former

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 3>football player at usc SO, no athletic director experience, no

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 3>hiring firing experience, nothing that would really prepare you for

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 3>something like this.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So for what we've heard dan the administration.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 3>That what's left or whatever's put together there would rather

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 3>not make some sort of move. So if somehow he

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 3>can beat UCLA in Notre Dame, I don't think he's

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 3>going anywhere. I think that, you know, as much as

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 3>the fans want I'm gone, I feel like he's going

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 3>to stay. I don't know if he like loses the

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Notre Dame but beats UCLA and they're six and six

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 3>in ball eligible, I'm not sure what's going to happen there.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 3>But my feeling is, and from the people I talk

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 3>to you, they rather wouldn't make some sort of change.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 3>But if you talk to a lot of the fans

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of the boosters, it's completely a different story.

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 3>And they're they're renovating the Colisseum right now, and the

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 3>problem with it. They raised all the money themselves, but

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 3>it's all through like a handful of a couple dozen

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>boosters who bought ten twenty million dollars suites. Well, a

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of those people are not going to be very happy,

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 3>especially if they lose the UCLA. If they start saying,

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm out, I don't want these suites.

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that sort of forces the administration's hand. So

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 3>my gut is dan the administration would rather not do anything.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 3>They'd rather say, Hey, he won the Rose Bowl, he

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>won the Packed Goff Championship.

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>This is a blip on the radar.

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 3>But I think that the boosters, especially after the Cow loss,

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 3>are really really upset with what's going on, and depending

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 3>on what happens these next two weeks, maybe push them

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>over the edge and you might see a lot of

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 3>pressure from I don't think pressure from their average fan

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 3>is going to matter, but if it's pressure from those

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 3>people that are flipping the bill for the Colisseum renovation,

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 3>then I think, you know, that might be forcing them

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 3>to make a change at a time that it wouldn't

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 3>want to.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>So if USC does not look competitive against UCLA, which

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think will be the case, but if they

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>lose this game by whatever score, they just don't look competitive.

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>They you know, twenty to seventeen, twenty four to seventeen,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.799
<v Speaker 2>where they just they lose to a team that is

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 2>not as talented that is not his experienced to a

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 2>brand new coaching staff, certainly ucla team that has improved.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>We get into weird territory. And I think it was

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe not dissimilar to what happened with Mark Helfrich at

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Oregon and that very likable dude just don't lose to

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Oregon State. He lost to Oregon State, and it almost

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>forced people's hands that they felt that they were going

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to be falling behind by keeping Mark Helfrich. If USC

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 2>does make a move, if those boosters are infuriated, the

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 2>important boosters are infuriated, and USC does make a move,

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and they say, thanks for your service, but we are

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>going to move in a new direction. Where is your

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 2>confidence that Lynn Swann, relatively new ad at USSE with

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>obvious long USC ties. Where's your confidence in him making

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>a big but not necessarily big, but more good decision

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>after three pretty poor to various extents, USC decisions, not

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Lynn Swan decisions.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we just don't know enough about lind Swan. But

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 3>if I had to bet on it, I wouldn't. The

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 3>confidence meter wouldn't be very high US. He kind of

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 3>keeps it in the family. You get named like a

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Jack del Rio who played at USC. People ask me

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 3>all the time, like who should they hire. It's like,

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't have any power, but I would

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 3>give you two requirements. One, make it a college head

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 3>coach with great success. You know, someone that's been successful

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 3>in college if you want to look at Matt Campbell

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 3>or you know whatever, someone that's like, hey, they're a

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 3>good college coach. Like that's the one thing. Two, someone

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't know the USC fight song. Don't hire someone

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 3>that you're familiar with, like, because then you're only basing

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 3>it on a resume. Like they just keep hiring people

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 3>that they know. Uh, I mean just even the athletic directors.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 3>If you dan, if you ever covered a game in

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 3>the coliseum, if you took the elevator up to the

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 3>press box, you looked on one side of the elevator,

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 3>there was a picture of Pat Hayden. You look at

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 3>the other side of the elevator, there's a picture of

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Lint Swan, Like those are that's who they hired.

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Like you didn't need a search for them.

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 3>You just look to see who was on the walls

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 3>of your press box elevator, and that's who you're going

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 3>to hire.

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Your athletic director. You need to get away from that.

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not sure that Lint Swan and the board

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 3>of trustees and all they would do something like that.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like they feel like it's a circle of the

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>wagon thing.

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 3>We're going to get a guy that we know as

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 3>opposed to taking a chance. I think you said on

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 3>your preview show where you were comparing Tom Herman I

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 3>think was to Matt Campbell.

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, And it's like I would love to.

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.360
<v Speaker 3>See us do something like that where, yeah, maybe it

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 3>doesn't work out, but that's someone you can look at

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 3>it like, Man, they've had some really good success in college.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's see what it's like if they step up.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 3>To the next level and they're playing, you know, at

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 3>a top five or top ten program instead of you know,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Iowa State. So I would love to see that. I

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>just don't long answer. I guess I don't r a

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of confidence that they would do that.

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 2>What is what do you feel like the view right

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>now of the USC job is externally? I know you

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 2>might be too close to the situation in LA covering

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>the team every day, but what do you believe the

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>perception is nationally of this USC job?

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny.

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 3>We got even USC fans that are really kind of

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 3>upset with the team, like, oh, no one wants to

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 3>come coach there, And I don't buy that.

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's just because I'm around.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 3>But I see, you know, you talk to coaches that

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 3>are like, oh yeah, if I had that talent, I

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:39.479
<v Speaker 3>could do this. I feel like an alpha coach would

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 3>come in and say, this is an amazing opportunity, Like

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get these kind of players where I.

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Was or whatever it is.

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 3>I still feel like it's a top five job just

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 3>because of all the different factors, Like you can recruit well,

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 3>but it's different than being like in an LSU, there's

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>no Alabama or Georgia outside your door. You're you're the

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Aliba and there's really not you know, UTLA made a

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 3>huge hire and Chip Kelly we'll see, you know, they're

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 3>two and eight, but we'll see how that works out.

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think Chris Peterson's doing an amazing job.

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 3>I think Oregon, we've seen them have success, they can

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.399
<v Speaker 3>do more of that. You can have a Washington State

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 3>every once in a while, but if you're good at USC,

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 3>like you can do a lot so I still, Dan,

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I still look at it as a highly coveted job.

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 3>If USC would treat it that way, I don't. I

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 3>don't think the administration necessarily goes out and says, oh,

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 3>they're they're going to bring in a link if in

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 3>our Steve circuit, they're not going to go out and

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 3>get who's the hot name that everyone wants to get

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 3>and util I hadn't done that either. This is the

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:37.919
<v Speaker 3>first time they did, so we'll see how it works out.

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 3>But to me, Dan, I still maybe, you know, maybe

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 3>just because I'm too close to it, but I still

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 3>feel like it's it's a coveted job that the right

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 3>coach comes in and you can make magic happen.

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Will there come a point where and maybe this is

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>wishful thinking, but will there come a point where USC

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 2>fans do not compare everything to two thousand and three

0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 2>to twenty ten.

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 3>I think for before that they compared everything to like

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 3>the John McKay years. So there's there's been a like,

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you're either really good as a coach

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 3>or bad at US, like you win a couple of

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.919
<v Speaker 3>national championships or you don't. And you know, Pete Carroll

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 3>was one of those guys that did. But you can

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 3>go back to like Howard Jones in the thirties and

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.720
<v Speaker 3>John McKay and John Robinson, you know, like they've guys

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 3>that have, you know, won Heisman's one trophies. I think

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 3>if they weren't comparing to Pete Carroll, they would compare

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 3>it to any of those and that's what they want

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 3>to kind of get back to, you know, they want

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 3>to be able to compete. It's it's like winning the

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 3>PAC twelve South is not on the high on the

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 3>list of you know, USC fans don't hang.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>A bad or anything. They're not really excited at all.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're competing for the PAC twelve South.

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 3>And when you have like Clayhilton kind of talking about

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 3>even this muddled mess of the PAC twelve South and

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 3>that's your goal, it just it kind of falls on

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.479
<v Speaker 3>deaf ears. I guess you could say for the USC

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 3>fan base. I don't think they demand you got to

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 3>win a championship every other year or something. But if

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 3>you're at least in that conversation, you want to be

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 3>nationally relevant because it's it's a program that's set up

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 3>to be nationally relevant. And if you if that, if

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 3>USC is nationally relevant, it helps the whole PAC twelve.

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 3>You just want to kind of be in that conversation.

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if there will be a time

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 3>because they're, you know, whoever the next coach, the next

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 3>coach that wins some championships at USC, they'll probably talk

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 3>about him too, but they'll always look back to even

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 3>if it's not Pete Carroll, John McKay, Howard Jones, however

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 3>you want that's those are the kind of errors they

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>want to to get going again. There's there have been

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 3>some good ones, but there's also times of you know,

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 3>downtimes between those eras.

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Are there reasons to believe that if Clay Hilton is back,

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and I would imagine you think you're right that USC

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 2>does want to bring him back like they do, not

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>want to go through buyout and search and hoping for

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the best of the higher works outs. If Clay Helton

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 2>is back, are there reasons to be confident that the

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 2>problems USC currently has are fixable with whether it's new coaches,

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>whether it's different recruiting strategy, whether it's change in scheme.

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Are these short term problems fixable?

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 3>I kind of think they are I think that you

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 3>want to see your head coach kind of develop and

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 3>learn on the job. But I think maybe some of

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the lessons have been a little slower for him to

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 3>pick up. But if it's a situation like a Brian

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Kelly from a couple of years ago, you know, they

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 3>were four and eight, he completely redid the staff, yep.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know now they're there.

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that's something USC can do, but I

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 3>think they can get a lot better, I mean a

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 3>lot better than five and five by making some changes.

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 3>And I think it would have to be bring in

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of coaches that you don't know, that are threatening,

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 3>that that could you know, if you screw up, they

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 3>could take your job, you know that those kind of things.

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I think they can fix a lot of the problems.

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure like he'll get you to the you know,

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 3>being in the playoff conversation every year, but I think

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 3>you can win the Pact, win more Pacdorf Championships if

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 3>you do that, because you will get you know, there'll

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 3>be a lot of good players there. You get two

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 3>or three Dealer McCullough made a huge difference just one

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.879
<v Speaker 3>assistant coach. Yeah, last year, So I think you get

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 3>a few more of those. I think you can. I

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 3>think you could do things that might not make USC

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 3>fans happy, because then he would win enough games to

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, save his job again. But I think he

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.319
<v Speaker 3>could fix a lot of that stuff in the in

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 3>the short term.

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, they have a new offensive coordinator next year, if

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Clay Helton is back.

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that's a big issue because you look at

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 3>the offense, it's really sort of like a mishmash of

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 3>what you know, Lane Kiffin had and what the Sarkisian had.

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Neither one of those guys learned from some spread guru.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 3>You there's these trees that you have if you watch

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 3>and guys you know how mummies or whoever they are

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 3>at the top of the tree. You know, someone like

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Mike Leech, like, you know, he has this amazing system

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 3>and if you're an assistant under him, you might learn

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 3>it and go do it somewhere else. Those guys didn't

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 3>really learn that from anybody amazing and do it somewhere else.

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 3>So it's sort of like that's the hot thing. We're

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 3>going to figure it out and do it ourselves. So

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 3>for me, that would be the biggest piece, Dan is

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 3>that you can't just say we're going to keep running

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 3>our offense and who you switch somebody out to call plays?

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I think you bring in someone that just has you know,

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 3>automated automic automicty.

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>What am I like?

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>That's a autonomous auto autonomous system.

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, of control of the offense. That's a I've

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 3>been speaking a lot later. I think I did like

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 3>eight hours of podcasting yesterday.

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 3>And so somebody would just come in and run their

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 3>own system. I think that would be a huge, huge

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 3>help because that would be, you know, one of the

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 3>bigger pieces that you would need to fix.

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're going to do that. I

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>don't have a lot of confidence, but I think.

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 3>If they did that, that would be that would be

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 3>a big, big gain for the team.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>That is, that is everything I have in the most

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I have talked about USC and a rational, mature, hopefully

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>nuanced way, and I appreciate your time. I feel like

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I've learned a lot. I imagine everybody who has listened

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 2>has learned a lot. So once again, everybody go out

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.319
<v Speaker 2>and even if you're just moderately interested in USC and

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 2>USC football. Ryan does a great job. As Harv hid

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>on there talking USC all year long on the Peristyle podcast.

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Check out USC football dot com if you are a fan,

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 2>if you're a super fan, they will have you covered

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>every day, every hour, all week long, all year long.

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You could not find a better destination for Trojan news

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and football. So once again, Ryan, thank you very much

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 2>for your time. And is it sunny? And it just

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>started snowing here. I am officially just I am gutted

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 2>right now.

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry when I when I went out there. Thank

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 3>you by the way, Dan, you guys do an awesome job,

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.919
<v Speaker 3>and it's been great to kind of see you guys

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 3>grow over the years and just you know, when you

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 3>see you on Sports Center and all that stuff, it's like,

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.439
<v Speaker 3>this is awesome. I love that solid verbl It's great.

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 3>But when I came out there, like in the summer

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:43.879
<v Speaker 3>or something, right, it wasn't cold or maybe it.

0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Was a little cold.

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 2>It was it was chilly. Yeah, okay, it was chill.

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like snowy chili though, No, yeah chili, you

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 3>like chili too. No, It's it's pretty nice here, Sonny

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 3>and seventy. My wife is down in Tennessee, they got

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 3>some snow there, so I was okay trolling her a

0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 3>little bit on Twitter, laughing at it. Like I said,

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.160
<v Speaker 3>I said, there's too much sun glare on my phone.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 3>I can't see what your picture is. Can you tell me?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a picture of like frost and snow

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<v Speaker 3>in their yard and stuff. So sorry, sorry that, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it happens. It's okay. I just realized

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go grocery shopping soon. That's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be super pleasant to walk back with. But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a sacrifice forgetting to pay a ton

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<v Speaker 2>in rent and have rats on your commute, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's everything's a trade off. Ryan Abraham, on that note,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your time and we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, Dan, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks again to Ryan Abraham. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>were able to glean some information, all right, thanks again

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<v Speaker 2>to Ryan Abraham from USC football dot com. Hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>were able to download some of that information and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it colors your opinion of where USC stands and what

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be doing moving forward in a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>complete way. And yeah, it certainly helped for me. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always have these theories about programs and thoughts, but it

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have people that are actually on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground covering them and are around the team, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>good to lean on experts every once in a while

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<v Speaker 2>because Ty and I, while America's college football podcast Sweethearts,

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<v Speaker 2>are certainly by no means deep into every team. We

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<v Speaker 2>try to be, but that's sort of an impossible thing

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<v Speaker 2>with so many teams, So thank you very much for listening.

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