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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy, you want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for Dake Ado State?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tye. Hey everybody, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to a brand new only Homer's a Loud episode.

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Speaker 2: Today we are discussing USC. It's just me, I am

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Speaker 2: discussing USC with Ryan Abraham of USC football dot Com,

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Speaker 2: part of the twenty four to seven Sports Network. We

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Speaker 2: go way back with him, long long friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: and it's quite simple. Obviously, this is a bonus show.

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Speaker 2: We've already done one of these with Oregon, we did

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Speaker 2: one with Notre Dame and LSU. Tie also has one

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Speaker 2: this week with Larry Williams discussing Clemson. But we don't

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Speaker 2: really have time to deep dive teams during the season

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Speaker 2: because we spend a good chunk, if not all, of

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Speaker 2: our time previewing or recapping games, so it's hard to

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Speaker 2: I've found these to be quite helpful, interesting and hopefully

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Speaker 2: you do too, whether or not you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: of knowing more about teams in general. We are going

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Speaker 2: to do more of these throughout the season, throughout the

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Speaker 2: off season, because why not. We like learning and really

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Speaker 2: it only Homer's allowed because of this clip. Would Homer Clublet.

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Speaker 1: Look, it has no Homers, we're allowed to have one.

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Speaker 2: I felt so left out, and I think that's a

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice reference. It goes way back to when

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna waste any more of your time,

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Speaker 2: but I'm recording this after the fact. Ryan was sensational,

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Speaker 2: not a surprise at all, usc and a complicated situation

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Speaker 2: with the disappointed season, but still being a program with

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Speaker 2: the capability of having a higher ceiling than just about

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Speaker 2: any program in the country. So really cool talk with Ryan,

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Speaker 2: and hope you enjoy it. Now, All right? With that,

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Speaker 2: I and I guess the proverbial We are now joined

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Speaker 2: by Ryan Abraham, old old, dear, dear friend of the

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Speaker 2: solid verbal. We go way way back with Ryan. He

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Speaker 2: started his podcast, the Parastyle Podcast in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: in chief Commando High Ranking Titan of USC football dot Com,

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Speaker 2: is it CBS now Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay. How's life? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right? You know, Southern California.

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Speaker 3: It's a rivalry weeks, I guess for USC coming up.

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Speaker 3: Been excited to talk to you guys again. It's been

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Speaker 3: fun to watch you guys grow, like as the podcast

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Speaker 2: the solid verbal this, I mean, we've spoken about this before.

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Speaker 2: Here is on a much less serious note, USC football, Colin,

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Speaker 1: Now he's let go. But they should have been a

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Speaker 3: I mean to have minus five yards rushing against Texas,

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Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of bus you know, mental

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Speaker 1: And offer like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, we knew that the offensive line would be

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Speaker 1: We know now that's that's not a good look.

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Speaker 3: they'll like shut down for the rest of the game.

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Speaker 1: And it just that to me, it has a little

440
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 1: bit surprising.

441
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Speaker 2: One of the interesting things to me about this USC

442
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 2: team is given the offensive struggles, and that really does

443
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 2: put a pretty big weight on the defense just because

444
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 2: you are, you know, the offense stalls really quickly the

445
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 2: defense is back out on the field, the defense can

446
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 2: get tired. That's when we see injuries happen. And USC

447
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 2: has had you know, the Ben Snake bitten in the

448
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,479
Speaker 2: secondary for a chunk of this season. Obviously, Porter Gustin

449
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 2: is out for the year. Cam Smith, I believe, has

450
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 2: missed time this year, and there was a lot of

451
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: turnover up front just because of graduation and NFL stuff.

452
00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 2: But the defense largely has you know, kept it together.

453
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 2: They've they've performed, you know, probably they've overachieved at times

454
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 2: given what they've had to deal with. With their own offense.

455
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: Has that surprised you that the defense, even with things

456
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 2: stacked against them to whatever, to whatever extent, has accomplished

457
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 2: impressive results.

458
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's kind of a

459
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 3: mixed bag. I've seen them put in sudden changed situations

460
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: quite a bit and respond well in games, you know,

461
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: other games not as much. And some of it we've

462
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 3: seen some frustration Isaiah Langley that the corner went over

463
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 3: and kind of bumped JT. Daniels, but it seemed like

464
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 3: maybe it was more mad at the offensive line or whatever.

465
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: When you know, basically the USC was pitching a shutout

466
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: against Cal and then they give up a safety, so

467
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 3: it's like and but you know they two short fields

468
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: and Cow scores two quick touchdowns and it's over. So

469
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 3: that's a situation where we've seen other times during the

470
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: season they would bounce back and get a stop, and

471
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 3: that they didn't, and you know, you get it, like

472
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: if the offense is just going to go not scoring

473
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Speaker 3: for you know, twenty minutes, thirty minutes at a time,

474
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 3: it's a lot to ask, uh for this defense. And

475
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: I think they've had some some guys play well, like

476
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: Emon Marshall had a horrible penalty at the end of

477
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: the cow game, but his numbers are really good as

478
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: far as like they're just not completing a lot of

479
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: passes to his side of the field.

480
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Speaker 1: I think he helped himself.

481
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: He's a former five star kid who was going to

482
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: he wanted to be, you know, leave as a junior,

483
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: but came back and he's played a lot better this

484
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: year than he has in years past, So I think

485
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: that's helped. But as a secondary, uh, what's your what's

486
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 3: your the line in the celibra, Like, what's your favorite

487
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: interception from USC this year, they've had two, like the

488
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: last in the country in interceptions, but they're they're I

489
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: think they're second in the country, and like passes defended,

490
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: but a lot of that's up at the line of

491
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: scrimmage with defensive linemen and linebackers, so you gotta I

492
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: think you've got to create.

493
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: A few more opportunities. But it's hard.

494
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 3: I think when one side of the ball is very

495
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 3: hit or missed and there'll be some big plays and

496
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: then just the lulls of nothing, it's hard for the

497
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: defense to kind of keep in mind. So I might

498
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: be a little bit more of a defensive apologist or whatever.

499
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: When you know, people tell there's a lot of USC

500
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: fans that are upset with the defense, but I give

501
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: them more of a pass just.

502
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: Because what they've had to do. So I agree with

503
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: you more so.

504
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: When you look at and you mentioned, you know, Clay Helton.

505
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 2: Everybody loves him as a human and there are some

506
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: things that you know, certain people are I think a

507
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: lot of USC fans look at as shortcomings with him

508
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: as running a big program. Where is he best as

509
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: a coach?

510
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: What?

511
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: What is sort of unassailable that he has done well?

512
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he gets the team together and and

513
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: he's they need they there's things that they needed that

514
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: Clay Hilton brings to the table. So you could, you know,

515
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: I don't agree with the higher I don't think his

516
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: resume was anywhere near what you would want for someone.

517
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: To coach USC.

518
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: But they did need an adult in the room and

519
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 3: Clay Hilton has certainly brought that to the table. He's

520
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: brought some stability and I think the players you know,

521
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: rallied around them.

522
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 1: They like him.

523
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: They feel like he's a father figure to them, and

524
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: I think he's been honest with them.

525
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's been.

526
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: Very steady and just a force that they needed someone

527
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: that wasn't going to be a rollercoaster, and he's definitely

528
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: not been that. And you know, he's bringing a routine

529
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: to this team, but sometimes you could say it's a

530
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: routine to a fault, like they don't change a lot.

531
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Every week is.

532
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: Like the same thing, doing the same thing, and I

533
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 3: feel like maybe after a while, by week ten, you're like, hey,

534
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: let's mix it up a little bit, let's change practice

535
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: days around or something like that. But I think the

536
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: biggest thing he's brought some stability there because you had

537
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 3: the Lane Kiffin and the Steve Sarkisian stuff. I mean,

538
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: stark lasted I think it was fifteen or sixteen games,

539
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: like that's all he coached at USC. It's crazy to

540
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: hire a head coach and he doesn't last, you know,

541
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: a year and a half.

542
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: So I think they needed that stability. And if you

543
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: were going to say.

544
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 3: If Clayout only lasts for three years as a permanent

545
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: head coach, I still think it was a positive thing

546
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: overall for USA. I know there's a lot of fans

547
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: that are upset, but he brought some really nice results

548
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: in those first two years above what you would expect

549
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: from someone Clay Helton, and they did bring some stability

550
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: to the program. It just if you're looking at it

551
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: and saying, hey, you want to be in the playoff picture,

552
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: you want to be in the national conversation, it doesn't

553
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 3: look like that's going to be a regular thing outside

554
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: of you know, getting a Sam Darnold in the program

555
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: and he can do some amazing things. It just doesn't

556
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: seem like the staff and he has put together is

557
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: the on the road to bring you there?

558
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: Is it?

559
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a staff thing? Do you think

560
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: it's a culture thing? Where he is you know, he

561
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: has raised the floor of that that personal you know,

562
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: he's drama free. You know, Sark and lang Kiffin, we're

563
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: very much not where he's raised the floor of Okay,

564
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: we are not going to be an embarrassment, you know,

565
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: doing things around the program. But at the same time,

566
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: he doesn't have that staff of killers, he doesn't have

567
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: that culture necessarily. Will you see other schools that have

568
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: succeeded and you know, you go behind the scenes of

569
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: Michigan or Clemson or Alabama or Georgia where there is

570
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: that that cohesive element where everybody is bought in every day,

571
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: every hour, every minute. And maybe that's not necessarily the

572
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: case with USC. Is that the big thing that's lacking

573
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: culture and that that sort of staff of killers.

574
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.

575
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: There they've you know, he took a different route if

576
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: you look at what Justin Wilcox did. Who's you know,

577
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: the new head coach at Calvin their couple of years.

578
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: He brought in Bill Baldwin, you know, a head coach

579
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: to be his offensive coordinator. He brought in Tim de Ruder,

580
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: who was a head coach at Fresno State, you know,

581
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: got ten win seasons and stuff, to be his defensive coordinator.

582
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: He brought in people that would be threatening to take

583
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: his job if he doesn't do well.

584
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like Clay Helton went the other way.

585
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: He brought in familiar people that no one was really

586
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: threatening to take his job, like there wasn't there's not

587
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: really a head coach on the staff outside of, you know,

588
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 3: of Clay Helton, so they don't have that those kind

589
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: of generals that you would want to go to war with.

590
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: They're all kind of lower level guys and you're you know,

591
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: a lot of guys are doing jobs for the very

592
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: first time. If you're a first time head coach, you

593
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: don't want to hire a first time offensive coordinator. And

594
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: that's what Ryleton with tem Martin, he brought in. He promoted,

595
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, from the support staff, Brian Ellis, who's the

596
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: now the quarterback coach, knowing that he has no quarterback,

597
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: he's not never been a permanent quarterback coach for a

598
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: college program, and you knew you were going to have

599
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: a you know whoever, your quarterback isn't going to start

600
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 3: for the very first time, so all of that stuff

601
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: is like you're wondering why, Like, yeah, you're familiar with

602
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: these people, but they haven't done the job before. And

603
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: I think if you're a young head coach who hasn't

604
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: been around the block a lot, you'd want to bring

605
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: in more experienced people. And the one hire he made

606
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: that I liked was Delan McCollough, the running back coach

607
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: last year, and he helped Ronald Jones have a fifteen

608
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: hundred yard season he was at Indiana, And you look

609
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: at that and a lot of people ask like, well,

610
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: the coaches really even want to come to USC. Well,

611
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: I talked to Delan McCullough quite a bit. He developed

612
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: running backs from Indiana, put him in the NFL. He

613
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: recruited in SEC country, trying to convince guys to not

614
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: go to LSU or not go to Auburn, and he

615
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: got somebody, didn't get other ones. And he would tell me,

616
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: like after their careers, they would come to me and say,

617
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: you know, I wish I would have came to see you.

618
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: It's hard to get guys to go to Indiana, he said.

619
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: Once he came to USC. It's more about picking which

620
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: one you want. Then, Oh, I got to convince some

621
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: guy to come to USC. They want to do that.

622
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 3: So he saw the advantages that you have of just

623
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: being at a USC and.

624
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: He came in and did a lot of great things.

625
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: He changed a lot.

626
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: Now he ended up leaving and going to the Kansas

627
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: City Chiefs after a year. And we didn't see that

628
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: sort of hired. You know, that was a very successful hire,

629
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: even only stayed for a year. I didn't see Clay

630
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: Outon kind of do that again. It was more a

631
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: one off thing. So for me, it's about getting out

632
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: of your comfort zone when you're hiring people. Get the

633
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: people that have done the job before somewhere else. They

634
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: don't know the fights on, they don't know anything, but

635
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: no know anything about USC.

636
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: They've heard of it. That's it, and bring him in

637
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: to do their job.

638
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: And I think if Clayilt gets another chance and he

639
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: can go out and redo the staff that way, I

640
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 3: think he can be successful.

641
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: But the way he's hired the.

642
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: Staff that I just don't think it was really set.

643
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Up for success.

644
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: So this is going to sound crazy, and most of

645
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: my theories about USC generally are, but I think there

646
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: is there's a little bit of meat on this bone.

647
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: So the conventional wisdom with USC is the premiere program

648
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve. I think that's correct. I think

649
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: that's you know, I think that's irrefutable at this point,

650
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: just because the PAC twelve sort of goes as USC

651
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: goes at sometimes Oregon. When you have that flash, you know,

652
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: when you had Pete Carroll, you had flash, when you

653
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: had Chip Kel you had flash at the top of

654
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: the conference, it made a difference. But the conventional wisdom

655
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: with USC is you're in LA you can just walk

656
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: out your door and choose, you know, whatever five star,

657
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: whatever four star you want. And I don't think that's

658
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: not true, but I think there is something misleading about

659
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: or I don't know if it's misleading, but like we

660
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: look at the stories about Larry Kocher at Miami where

661
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: he just you could walk out the door in Miami

662
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: and he sort of starchased. He went on like rivals

663
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: dot Com and he just put together these amazing classes.

664
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: But when you actually look at the physical makeup of

665
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: these classes, it didn't makes sense in a lot of cases,

666
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: and the evaluation wasn't There is there an element of

667
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: USC recruiting actually being difficult because there are challenges with

668
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: I mean USC, and this is along with Miami. You

669
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: look at those top programs that you mentioned, whether it's Georgia, Alabama,

670
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Clemson, how many of those programs have a

671
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: pretty big, healthy chunk of their recruiting classes come to

672
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: them within a half hour, you know, forty five minutes

673
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: an hour. And is that necessarily a bad thing that

674
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: players aren't from that exact city.

675
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: No, I think it's a great point.

676
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: I think when you talk about recruiting, it's kind of

677
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: like you're building a wall and you need brick and

678
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: you need mortar.

679
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: You don't need everyone to.

680
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: Be a five star guy, you need some of those

681
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: guys that gel and if there's some kid who's a

682
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: three star that grew up I mean maybe you grew

683
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: up close by, maybe it's a little further away dreaming

684
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: about going to USC and you don't and there's a

685
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: reason to take and like, hey, yeah, maybe there's a

686
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: guy we have a little bit ranked higher on our board,

687
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: but this is a good guy to bring into the program, right.

688
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: I think Thomas Graham was a guy like that who's

689
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, you're familiar with up at Oregon. His sister

690
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: I think was going to USC, like he wanted to

691
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: go to USC forever, was committed. They didn't really recruit

692
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: him all that hard, and it's like that's a kid

693
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: that and he's actually good, you know, he's he's started.

694
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: I think he started, Yeah, he started Ashman. Yeah.

695
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

696
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: So someone like that, like USC would like kind of

697
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: pass on because there was someone else with more stars

698
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: or something that they were looking at.

699
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: And ever, what you just needed to take guys like that.

700
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: You need to fill in your class with other people

701
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: that you just feel comfortable with that you know, that's

702
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: what they grew up wanting to do. You know they're

703
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: going to help the program, So I think you can

704
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: kind of get star chasing. But I think Pete Carroll

705
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: had it best where it's more about evaluation than recruiting.

706
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: That there are those stars out there everyone you know,

707
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: but if you don't like a four or five star guy,

708
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: don't recruit them, you know, And I think sometimes you

709
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: can chase those stars a lot and you get the

710
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: average star rating to be really hot. USC's is always

711
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: like you know, one or two in the country as

712
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: far as like the average star guy coming in. But

713
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: it's to me, it's more about the evaluation process because

714
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: there's going to be some guys that are overrated, and

715
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, you can't avoid getting them all. I mean,

716
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: you're going to get at some of them every once

717
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: in a while, but if you get too many of them,

718
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: and I think that really hurts your recruiting class. So

719
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Evaluation to me is the hardest part.

720
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: Because you have so many talented players in Southern California

721
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: you can choose from. You got to make sure you

722
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: choose the right ones because then you let a Thomas

723
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: Graham go because you went over him and he's starting

724
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: at one of your rivals, and obviously when he comes

725
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: back to play USC, he wants to beat him pretty bad.

726
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: I also think there is something where you didn't grow

727
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: up in southern California, or did.

728
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: You No, I'm a Yankee Pennsylvania and then in Massachusetts

729
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: is where I went to high school.

730
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: Right, But then you went to USC, right?

731
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did, Yes, I moved out yeah.

732
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: And now it's like you live in you live in

733
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: the South Bay. You are a Southern California person through

734
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: and through, which I think is important. I think there

735
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: is something about college where you challenge yourself. You challenge yourself,

736
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: you push yourself. There's something about inserting yourself into a

737
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: new culture that helps to grow you. And I don't

738
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: think that's all that different with college football. And that's

739
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: why I mentioned, like, you know, Clemson has a bunch

740
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: of Georgia kids, and Alabama has kids from Texas and

741
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: Maryland and Indiana and California whatever that. I think there's

742
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: something about people coming from different backgrounds and when USC

743
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: and USC has had a ton of success stories with

744
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: high school kids from LA you know, whether it's the

745
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: Sarah kids, with Robert Woods and Marquis Lee. I think

746
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Juju went to Long Beach, Paully. I want to say,

747
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: but you look at the Bedrocks at different position groups

748
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: for USC over the years, whether it's Pete, Carol Linkiff

749
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: and Sark whoever, and there are a ton of kids

750
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: that it doesn't seem like that's still happening from out

751
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: thousand miles two thousand miles away, whether it's you know,

752
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: Dwayne Jared or Ray mal Luga or Jeff Buyers from Colorado,

753
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Lindell White from Colorado, Leonard Williams maybe the best defensive

754
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: linean USC has ever had from about as far away

755
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: as possible. And the more I see that USC has

756
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: twenty of their twenty five kids from southern California, the

757
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: more I wonder, Yes, they are more talented than everybody

758
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: else in the Pac twelve. But does this sort of

759
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: extension of high school make for a top five, ten,

760
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: fifteen culture? Is there any truth to that in your mind?

761
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: No? I think that's a great point.

762
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: I think when you recruit nationally, you have to be

763
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: relevant nationally. So it's harder for like five and five

764
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: USC team to do that. But they got some guys

765
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: that were on you know, achacentric ware. I think has

766
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: been a pretty good leader coming out of Texas. So

767
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: they have some guys. But when we've seen what we've

768
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: seen from this staff, Dan is a good closing staff.

769
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: But because you have like half of the staff being

770
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: part time recruiters, that makes it harder to get more

771
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: of the national guys, more from other states, because they've

772
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: really closed on guys locally. Like they didn't have a

773
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: safety class a couple of years ago and they got

774
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: a kid from Arizona and a kid from Vegas, which

775
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: is you know, it's pretty local to check out for it.

776
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those were guys that were, you.

777
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: Know, in the Pactuel footprint and you can get them

778
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: pretty easy. But they've they've done a lot of it,

779
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: sort of like cramming for a test at the end

780
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: where they're they're really they're procrastinating, and then they recruit

781
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: at the end and they still get some of these guys.

782
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 3: But I think the problem is going to be, well, yeah,

783
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: they had the Rose Bowl, they had the pact World Championship,

784
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: and that helps you get those guys at the end.

785
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: This year you're five and five fighting to be bull eligible.

786
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a lot harder and

787
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: the way we have it within the early signing period.

788
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Most people are signing in the early signing period. Now

789
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: we thought it would be like a split thing. No,

790
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: it's like pretty much you signed there and then signing

791
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: Day in February is just not as big of a

792
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: deal anymore. So it's it's changed. And this year, I

793
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: think specifically Dan, because of the problems on the field,

794
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: they're not going to be able to do the same

795
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: thing they done the last couple of years. But I

796
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: think you're right, they've done that the last couple of years.

797
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: But a lot of it is getting Southern California guys

798
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: at the last minute. It's gonna be harder to do that.

799
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: You're gonna be a lot more planed B and maybe

800
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: plan C guys for this recruiting class because the team

801
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: has struggled so much. And then you look at the

802
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: overall makeup of the roster. Yeah, it's like a bunch

803
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: of Southern California kids, which are really talented, but you

804
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: do need some of that now. It takes a maintenance

805
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: sometimes if you get a player from out of state,

806
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: especially as far away as Florida or something like that,

807
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 3: guys get homesick, and.

808
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: Things like that.

809
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: But that's that's something you have to nurture and but

810
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: you can make it a great part of your culture

811
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: if you can work those guys in there. And I

812
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: think it helps the overall team chemistry when you do.

813
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's you know, you look around the Pac

814
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: twelve and the teams that are succeeding are not doing

815
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: it with local talents. This is you know, Washington State

816
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: is all over the west coast, and Oregon's all over

817
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: the country. Stanford is all over the country. And I

818
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: think there's there's probably something to that. You probably would

819
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: have had a very different experience at USC if you know,

820
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: you were surrounded by high school friends. Yeah, it was,

821
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: it's probably it's probably not a huge deal, but I

822
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: think it's it's sort of an underrated element of all

823
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: of this. Do you think at this point that Clay

824
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: Helton is fighting for his job?

825
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: I do.

826
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: It's interesting. I think the last two games do mean

827
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: a lot. It means when you're talking to the fan

828
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: base and you talk to boosters, Uh, they care that

829
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: you got blown out last year by Notre Dame in

830
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Like those are two of the games that

831
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: they really care about.

832
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: Like they cared about Texas too, but.

833
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: This year, you know, they don't want to see you

834
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: not scoring agains Stafford. They don't want to see you

835
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: on the road. I mean, you got to be competitive. Yeah,

836
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: And that the Texas game, so many USC fans went

837
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: out to that. Austin's a great it was a great weekend.

838
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: And those are the kind of games the fans love

839
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: to go see. But you don't get blown out. But

840
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: you know, it's a decent Texas team. But it's not

841
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: like it wasn't like you got blown up by Alabama,

842
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: right right, you know, So those are the kind of

843
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: things that really, you know, kind of upset the fan.

844
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: So I think for Clay Hilton, everything we've heard from

845
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: inside the program, most of the stuff we've heard, you're

846
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: hearing all kinds of stuff. USC is in a weird

847
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: spot right now because they got all these other problems

848
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: that the Board of Trustees is dealing with. They don't

849
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: have you know, Max Nikias is no longer there the

850
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: president of university. They have an interim president right now,

851
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: and you have Lyn Swan who's the third athletic director

852
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: in a row, which just happens to be a former

853
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: football player at usc SO, no athletic director experience, no

854
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: hiring firing experience, nothing that would really prepare you for

855
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: something like this.

856
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: So for what we've heard dan the administration.

857
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: That what's left or whatever's put together there would rather

858
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: not make some sort of move. So if somehow he

859
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: can beat UCLA in Notre Dame, I don't think he's

860
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: going anywhere. I think that, you know, as much as

861
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: the fans want I'm gone, I feel like he's going

862
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: to stay. I don't know if he like loses the

863
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: Notre Dame but beats UCLA and they're six and six

864
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: in ball eligible, I'm not sure what's going to happen there.

865
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: But my feeling is, and from the people I talk

866
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: to you, they rather wouldn't make some sort of change.

867
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: But if you talk to a lot of the fans

868
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of the boosters, it's completely a different story.

869
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: And they're they're renovating the Colisseum right now, and the

870
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: problem with it. They raised all the money themselves, but

871
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: it's all through like a handful of a couple dozen

872
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: boosters who bought ten twenty million dollars suites. Well, a

873
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: lot of those people are not going to be very happy,

874
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: especially if they lose the UCLA. If they start saying,

875
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm out, I don't want these suites.

876
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: I think that sort of forces the administration's hand. So

877
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: my gut is dan the administration would rather not do anything.

878
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: They'd rather say, Hey, he won the Rose Bowl, he

879
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: won the Packed Goff Championship.

880
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: This is a blip on the radar.

881
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 3: But I think that the boosters, especially after the Cow loss,

882
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: are really really upset with what's going on, and depending

883
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: on what happens these next two weeks, maybe push them

884
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: over the edge and you might see a lot of

885
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: pressure from I don't think pressure from their average fan

886
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: is going to matter, but if it's pressure from those

887
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: people that are flipping the bill for the Colisseum renovation,

888
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: then I think, you know, that might be forcing them

889
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: to make a change at a time that it wouldn't

890
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: want to.

891
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: So if USC does not look competitive against UCLA, which

892
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't think will be the case, but if they

893
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: lose this game by whatever score, they just don't look competitive.

894
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: They you know, twenty to seventeen, twenty four to seventeen,

895
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: where they just they lose to a team that is

896
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: not as talented that is not his experienced to a

897
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: brand new coaching staff, certainly ucla team that has improved.

898
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: We get into weird territory. And I think it was

899
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: maybe not dissimilar to what happened with Mark Helfrich at

900
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: Oregon and that very likable dude just don't lose to

901
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: Oregon State. He lost to Oregon State, and it almost

902
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: forced people's hands that they felt that they were going

903
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: to be falling behind by keeping Mark Helfrich. If USC

904
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: does make a move, if those boosters are infuriated, the

905
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: important boosters are infuriated, and USC does make a move,

906
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: and they say, thanks for your service, but we are

907
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: going to move in a new direction. Where is your

908
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: confidence that Lynn Swann, relatively new ad at USSE with

909
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: obvious long USC ties. Where's your confidence in him making

910
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: a big but not necessarily big, but more good decision

911
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: after three pretty poor to various extents, USC decisions, not

912
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: Lynn Swan decisions.

913
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just don't know enough about lind Swan. But

914
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: if I had to bet on it, I wouldn't. The

915
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: confidence meter wouldn't be very high US. He kind of

916
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: keeps it in the family. You get named like a

917
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: Jack del Rio who played at USC. People ask me

918
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: all the time, like who should they hire. It's like,

919
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: you know, I don't have any power, but I would

920
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: give you two requirements. One, make it a college head

921
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: coach with great success. You know, someone that's been successful

922
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: in college if you want to look at Matt Campbell

923
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: or you know whatever, someone that's like, hey, they're a

924
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: good college coach. Like that's the one thing. Two, someone

925
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: that doesn't know the USC fight song. Don't hire someone

926
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: that you're familiar with, like, because then you're only basing

927
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: it on a resume. Like they just keep hiring people

928
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: that they know. Uh, I mean just even the athletic directors.

929
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: If you dan, if you ever covered a game in

930
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: the coliseum, if you took the elevator up to the

931
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: press box, you looked on one side of the elevator,

932
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: there was a picture of Pat Hayden. You look at

933
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: the other side of the elevator, there's a picture of

934
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Lint Swan, Like those are that's who they hired.

935
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Like you didn't need a search for them.

936
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: You just look to see who was on the walls

937
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: of your press box elevator, and that's who you're going

938
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: to hire.

939
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: Your athletic director. You need to get away from that.

940
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure that Lint Swan and the board

941
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: of trustees and all they would do something like that.

942
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: It's like they feel like it's a circle of the

943
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: wagon thing.

944
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: We're going to get a guy that we know as

945
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: opposed to taking a chance. I think you said on

946
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: your preview show where you were comparing Tom Herman I

947
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: think was to Matt Campbell.

948
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, And it's like I would love to.

949
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: See us do something like that where, yeah, maybe it

950
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, but that's someone you can look at

951
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: it like, Man, they've had some really good success in college.

952
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Let's see what it's like if they step up.

953
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: To the next level and they're playing, you know, at

954
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: a top five or top ten program instead of you know,

955
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: Iowa State. So I would love to see that. I

956
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: just don't long answer. I guess I don't r a

957
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: lot of confidence that they would do that.

958
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: What is what do you feel like the view right

959
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: now of the USC job is externally? I know you

960
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: might be too close to the situation in LA covering

961
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: the team every day, but what do you believe the

962
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: perception is nationally of this USC job?

963
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: And it's funny.

964
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: We got even USC fans that are really kind of

965
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: upset with the team, like, oh, no one wants to

966
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: come coach there, And I don't buy that.

967
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because I'm around.

968
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: But I see, you know, you talk to coaches that

969
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: are like, oh yeah, if I had that talent, I

970
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 3: could do this. I feel like an alpha coach would

971
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: come in and say, this is an amazing opportunity, Like

972
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't get these kind of players where I.

973
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Was or whatever it is.

974
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: I still feel like it's a top five job just

975
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: because of all the different factors, Like you can recruit well,

976
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: but it's different than being like in an LSU, there's

977
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: no Alabama or Georgia outside your door. You're you're the

978
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: Aliba and there's really not you know, UTLA made a

979
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: huge hire and Chip Kelly we'll see, you know, they're

980
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: two and eight, but we'll see how that works out.

981
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Chris Peterson's doing an amazing job.

982
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: I think Oregon, we've seen them have success, they can

983
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: do more of that. You can have a Washington State

984
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: every once in a while, but if you're good at USC,

985
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: like you can do a lot so I still, Dan,

986
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: I still look at it as a highly coveted job.

987
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: If USC would treat it that way, I don't. I

988
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: don't think the administration necessarily goes out and says, oh,

989
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: they're they're going to bring in a link if in

990
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: our Steve circuit, they're not going to go out and

991
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: get who's the hot name that everyone wants to get

992
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: and util I hadn't done that either. This is the

993
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: first time they did, so we'll see how it works out.

994
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: But to me, Dan, I still maybe, you know, maybe

995
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: just because I'm too close to it, but I still

996
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: feel like it's it's a coveted job that the right

997
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: coach comes in and you can make magic happen.

998
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: Will there come a point where and maybe this is

999
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: wishful thinking, but will there come a point where USC

1000
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: fans do not compare everything to two thousand and three

1001
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: to twenty ten.

1002
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: I think for before that they compared everything to like

1003
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: the John McKay years. So there's there's been a like,

1004
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 3: you know, if you're either really good as a coach

1005
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: or bad at US, like you win a couple of

1006
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 3: national championships or you don't. And you know, Pete Carroll

1007
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: was one of those guys that did. But you can

1008
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: go back to like Howard Jones in the thirties and

1009
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: John McKay and John Robinson, you know, like they've guys

1010
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: that have, you know, won Heisman's one trophies. I think

1011
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: if they weren't comparing to Pete Carroll, they would compare

1012
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: it to any of those and that's what they want

1013
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: to kind of get back to, you know, they want

1014
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: to be able to compete. It's it's like winning the

1015
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: PAC twelve South is not on the high on the

1016
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: list of you know, USC fans don't hang.

1017
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: A bad or anything. They're not really excited at all.

1018
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: You know, we're competing for the PAC twelve South.

1019
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: And when you have like Clayhilton kind of talking about

1020
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: even this muddled mess of the PAC twelve South and

1021
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: that's your goal, it just it kind of falls on

1022
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 3: deaf ears. I guess you could say for the USC

1023
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: fan base. I don't think they demand you got to

1024
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: win a championship every other year or something. But if

1025
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: you're at least in that conversation, you want to be

1026
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: nationally relevant because it's it's a program that's set up

1027
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: to be nationally relevant. And if you if that, if

1028
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: USC is nationally relevant, it helps the whole PAC twelve.

1029
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: You just want to kind of be in that conversation.

1030
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there will be a time

1031
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: because they're, you know, whoever the next coach, the next

1032
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: coach that wins some championships at USC, they'll probably talk

1033
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: about him too, but they'll always look back to even

1034
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: if it's not Pete Carroll, John McKay, Howard Jones, however

1035
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: you want that's those are the kind of errors they

1036
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: want to to get going again. There's there have been

1037
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: some good ones, but there's also times of you know,

1038
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: downtimes between those eras.

1039
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: Are there reasons to believe that if Clay Hilton is back,

1040
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: and I would imagine you think you're right that USC

1041
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: does want to bring him back like they do, not

1042
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: want to go through buyout and search and hoping for

1043
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: the best of the higher works outs. If Clay Helton

1044
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: is back, are there reasons to be confident that the

1045
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: problems USC currently has are fixable with whether it's new coaches,

1046
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: whether it's different recruiting strategy, whether it's change in scheme.

1047
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: Are these short term problems fixable?

1048
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: I kind of think they are I think that you

1049
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: want to see your head coach kind of develop and

1050
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: learn on the job. But I think maybe some of

1051
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: the lessons have been a little slower for him to

1052
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: pick up. But if it's a situation like a Brian

1053
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: Kelly from a couple of years ago, you know, they

1054
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: were four and eight, he completely redid the staff, yep.

1055
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: And you know now they're there.

1056
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's something USC can do, but I

1057
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: think they can get a lot better, I mean a

1058
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: lot better than five and five by making some changes.

1059
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: And I think it would have to be bring in

1060
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: a bunch of coaches that you don't know, that are threatening,

1061
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: that that could you know, if you screw up, they

1062
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: could take your job, you know that those kind of things.

1063
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: I think they can fix a lot of the problems.

1064
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure like he'll get you to the you know,

1065
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: being in the playoff conversation every year, but I think

1066
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: you can win the Pact, win more Pacdorf Championships if

1067
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: you do that, because you will get you know, there'll

1068
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: be a lot of good players there. You get two

1069
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: or three Dealer McCullough made a huge difference just one

1070
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: assistant coach. Yeah, last year, So I think you get

1071
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: a few more of those. I think you can. I

1072
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: think you could do things that might not make USC

1073
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: fans happy, because then he would win enough games to

1074
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: you know, save his job again. But I think he

1075
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: could fix a lot of that stuff in the in

1076
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: the short term.

1077
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: Well, they have a new offensive coordinator next year, if

1078
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: Clay Helton is back.

1079
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: I think that's a big issue because you look at

1080
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: the offense, it's really sort of like a mishmash of

1081
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: what you know, Lane Kiffin had and what the Sarkisian had.

1082
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: Neither one of those guys learned from some spread guru.

1083
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1084
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: You there's these trees that you have if you watch

1085
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: and guys you know how mummies or whoever they are

1086
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: at the top of the tree. You know, someone like

1087
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 3: Mike Leech, like, you know, he has this amazing system

1088
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: and if you're an assistant under him, you might learn

1089
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: it and go do it somewhere else. Those guys didn't

1090
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: really learn that from anybody amazing and do it somewhere else.

1091
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: So it's sort of like that's the hot thing. We're

1092
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: going to figure it out and do it ourselves. So

1093
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: for me, that would be the biggest piece, Dan is

1094
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: that you can't just say we're going to keep running

1095
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: our offense and who you switch somebody out to call plays?

1096
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: I think you bring in someone that just has you know,

1097
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: automated automic automicty.

1098
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: What am I like?

1099
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: That's a autonomous auto autonomous system.

1100
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, of control of the offense. That's a I've

1101
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: been speaking a lot later. I think I did like

1102
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: eight hours of podcasting yesterday.

1103
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1104
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: And so somebody would just come in and run their

1105
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: own system. I think that would be a huge, huge

1106
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: help because that would be, you know, one of the

1107
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: bigger pieces that you would need to fix.

1108
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to do that. I

1109
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of confidence, but I think.

1110
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: If they did that, that would be that would be

1111
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: a big, big gain for the team.

1112
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: That is, that is everything I have in the most

1113
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: I have talked about USC and a rational, mature, hopefully

1114
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: nuanced way, and I appreciate your time. I feel like

1115
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot. I imagine everybody who has listened

1116
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: has learned a lot. So once again, everybody go out

1117
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: and even if you're just moderately interested in USC and

1118
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: USC football. Ryan does a great job. As Harv hid

1119
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: on there talking USC all year long on the Peristyle podcast.

1120
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: Check out USC football dot com if you are a fan,

1121
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: if you're a super fan, they will have you covered

1122
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: every day, every hour, all week long, all year long.

1123
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: You could not find a better destination for Trojan news

1124
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: and football. So once again, Ryan, thank you very much

1125
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: for your time. And is it sunny? And it just

1126
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: started snowing here. I am officially just I am gutted

1127
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: right now.

1128
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry when I when I went out there. Thank

1129
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: you by the way, Dan, you guys do an awesome job,

1130
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 3: and it's been great to kind of see you guys

1131
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: grow over the years and just you know, when you

1132
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: see you on Sports Center and all that stuff, it's like,

1133
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: this is awesome. I love that solid verbl It's great.

1134
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: But when I came out there, like in the summer

1135
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: or something, right, it wasn't cold or maybe it.

1136
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: Was a little cold.

1137
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: It was it was chilly. Yeah, okay, it was chill.

1138
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't like snowy chili though, No, yeah chili, you

1139
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: like chili too. No, It's it's pretty nice here, Sonny

1140
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: and seventy. My wife is down in Tennessee, they got

1141
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: some snow there, so I was okay trolling her a

1142
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: little bit on Twitter, laughing at it. Like I said,

1143
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: I said, there's too much sun glare on my phone.

1144
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: I can't see what your picture is. Can you tell me?

1145
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: And it was a picture of like frost and snow

1146
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: in their yard and stuff. So sorry, sorry that, but

1147
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: you're in New York City.

1148
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it happens. It's okay. I just realized

1149
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: I have to go grocery shopping soon. That's not going

1150
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: to be super pleasant to walk back with. But that's okay.

1151
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: It's a it's a sacrifice forgetting to pay a ton

1152
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: in rent and have rats on your commute, so you know,

1153
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: it's everything's a trade off. Ryan Abraham, on that note,

1154
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time and we'll talk soon.

1155
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Sounds good, Dan, thank you.

1156
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks again to Ryan Abraham. I hope you

1157
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: were able to glean some information, all right, thanks again

1158
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: to Ryan Abraham from USC football dot com. Hopefully you

1159
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: were able to download some of that information and maybe

1160
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: it colors your opinion of where USC stands and what

1161
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 2: they'll be doing moving forward in a little bit more

1162
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: complete way. And yeah, it certainly helped for me. I've

1163
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: always have these theories about programs and thoughts, but it

1164
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, we have people that are actually on the

1165
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: ground covering them and are around the team, so it's

1166
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: good to lean on experts every once in a while

1167
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: because Ty and I, while America's college football podcast Sweethearts,

1168
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: are certainly by no means deep into every team. We

1169
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: try to be, but that's sort of an impossible thing

1170
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: with so many teams, So thank you very much for listening.

1171
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1178
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1179
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Speaker 2: us an email, Solidverble at gmail dot com, follow us

1180
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, Facebook, all of the usual places. We're pretty

1181
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Speaker 2: easy to find. Thanks again, Stay solid, peace,