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Speaker 5: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.

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Speaker 8: It's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Lee Brody, and today

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Speaker 8: we are discussing Star Wars Rebel Season two, episode thirteen,

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Speaker 8: to the Potter Rebellion, mister Henry Gilroy, Hey.

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Speaker 1: Potters, thank you so much for having me. As my

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Speaker 1: You know what, you guys, you guys should just go

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Speaker 7: Are the characters. I'm just to add to add one thing,

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Speaker 1: Really it isn't a complete failure Haarah when in with

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Speaker 5: Oh you know, those of you listening, I'm making like

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know that have those big kind of blade

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Speaker 6: Henry On and whatever, this new version of Taylor.

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Speaker 7: Is great to you.

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Speaker 8: That Henry and I really appreciate you, Like this was

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Speaker 8: and you show that with the diaspora of like the Mandalorians,

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Speaker 8: that that's not like, oh, you think she's Mandalorian, then

439
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 8: they're all cool, but they're not even though they're all Mandalorian.

440
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 8: I'd love you to touch on that, because he didn't

441
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 8: beat us over the head with it, but it showed

442
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 8: very clearly that oh, like even if so being at

443
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 8: home to Mandelor, it's not going to be welcome with

444
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 8: open ours because there is that sort of division.

445
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 7: I'd love for you to touch on this. Yeah, I

446
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 7: think when you're developing something like this, and.

447
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: It's really easy to get complicated with the politics really fast,

448
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: and that's something we didn't really want to do. And

449
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: definitely in making a show like Rebels, we're kind of

450
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: like lightly skimming in it. It was more about like

451
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: who the person is an individual, and kind of like

452
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, even though we're from the

453
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: same country, we're not the same people. And the fact

454
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: that Sabine would never actually join the Empire. And even

455
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode, you know, Kevin fen

456
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: Rau basically he's he's a prisoner, but as we'll see

457
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: in the future episodes, he kind of comes around like

458
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: Sabine's passion to fight the Empire awakens something in him,

459
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: like he starts to kind of surrender like his mercenario

460
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: ways and becomes oh, you know, a nationalist again, Like

461
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Speaker 1: he's like, oh, this is the person I am.

462
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Speaker 6: So I think.

463
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Speaker 1: I think when you have a fight for freedom, like

464
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Speaker 1: people of all creeds and all colors and all clans

465
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: come together to actually bond together to fight oppression. And

466
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: that's really what we're always trying to communicate in our

467
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: stories is yeah, you have a you know, this family,

468
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: very different individuals, but together they you know, they're rebels.

469
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: So the Man, the Lorens, we tried to do the

470
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: same thing. They tend to be definitely war I want

471
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: to say, clan based, family tribes. So as a lot

472
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: of tribal societies, there's always.

473
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Speaker 7: Going to be in fighting.

474
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, as you saw on the Clone

475
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Speaker 1: Wars and the death Watch and everything else, for me personally,

476
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: it was more about how we can bring out the

477
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: beliefs of the individual rather than who they identify with.

478
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Speaker 7: If that makes sense.

479
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: So cool, that's cool.

480
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Speaker 4: You mentioned Deathwatch.

481
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Speaker 6: I was curious and I was going to say this

482
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Speaker 6: is I'd ordinarily say this is a question for JC,

483
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Speaker 6: but I don't think you probably got God, I might

484
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 6: not know. It's my pardon my ignorance. But is death Watch?

485
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 6: Did we, meaning we the viewers learn of Deathwatch in

486
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 6: Clone Wars or is there death Is there mention of

487
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 6: Deathwatch in other Star Wars.

488
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: I think primarily it's the Clone Wars. You know, Jayzon

489
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: obviously correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's a

490
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: weird thing where you might have had member a mention

491
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: of it and novels or comic books previously. But really

492
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: the death Watch was an extremist faction of the Mandalorians,

493
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: who were definitely more more centric when Duchess a team

494
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: and that side of the Mandlrens, they were trying to

495
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: be pacifist, like they realized like, oh, yeah, we just

496
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: keep destroying ourselves before we have to stop. Or the

497
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: death Watch is like, yeah, but that's who we are.

498
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 7: We fight.

499
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: So I think you always have that sort of extremism

500
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: and cultures, which is kind of happening right now right like,

501
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: because you know, societies like that tend to template tear

502
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: themselves apart. And I think, if anything, we've always tried

503
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: to show like, oh this is what happened. When you know,

504
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: human nature becomes extreme, either one side or the other,

505
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: it's usually going to be bad, a little too.

506
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Speaker 6: Prescient, Henry, what's going on at the moment? All right?

507
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: Correct me?

508
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 7: If Jason?

509
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: What as far as the death watch, what were the

510
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: previous death watch with Clone Wars creating Clone Wars?

511
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 8: Right, We'll believe when we get to the fact check portion,

512
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 8: that's going to be those fun things. We always have

513
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 8: to earn it. I know we always a lot of

514
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 8: times were like, let's just govinman now. I'm like, no, well,

515
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 8: we'll earn it at the end. But it's I'm really

516
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 8: excited for today's fact check because, like you are like

517
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 8: a fact check yourself, Henry, So to see these uh,

518
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 8: it's like an Avengers Assemble sort of thing with a

519
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 8: Star Wars fact check. But I look forward to the

520
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 8: finding out too, because I'm not entirely sure I I uh, something.

521
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 6: That you said, Vanessa, I'm sure this how I mean,

522
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 6: I think this probably happens to you both Vanessa and Taylor.

523
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 6: You know, it's been so long since we've watched these episodes,

524
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 6: or haven't watched the episodes and not watching them for

525
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 6: the first time. You know, in the last what ten

526
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 6: years or more, I've been signing certain quotes that people,

527
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 6: you know, really resonated with people, and there's there's a

528
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 6: there's a handful that are like the heavy hitters that

529
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 6: people really responded to or really like, and one of

530
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 6: them is I'm clan reun House Visla And I had

531
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Speaker 6: forgot so many of these quotes. I've forgotten which episodes,

532
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 6: what happened when did I say that? So in rewatching

533
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 6: these episodes, when I when I when I said one

534
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 6: of these, I'm like, oh, that's where that's real if

535
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 6: I didn't say it in the first place. But so yeah,

536
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 6: when when she jumps up on there, I'm like, oh, right,

537
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 6: she's about to say it. So it's always kind of

538
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 6: like a little treat for me to get to see

539
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 6: when when Sabine actually says one of these things that

540
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 6: I've been like signing on you know, pop funko pop

541
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 6: boxes for for years and years. Yeah, I think that's

542
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 6: so she's so bad ass, and I mean she's always

543
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 6: bad ass, but she's so awesome in this episode.

544
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: And I love how.

545
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 6: You know, pissed off she gets because it just goes

546
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: to show like how important her found family is to her.

547
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 6: And we know this, but when faced with something like

548
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 6: you know, Harrah being gravely injured or worse, you know,

549
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 6: she's she's about to like burn it all to the ground,

550
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 6: and she would do that for any one of you know,

551
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 6: the Ghost crew members. And I just I love her

552
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 6: passion obviously, and then I also love that we get

553
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 6: to see her like in action, you know, setting charges,

554
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 6: doing what she does best. And yes, her methods methodology

555
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 6: is obviously different than in Canaan's, but I just love

556
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 6: to see her doing what she does and doing it

557
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 6: so elegantly even though she's about to blow some shit up.

558
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

559
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: We had a joke I think where Canaan mentioned like,

560
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I guess you left the pain at home, and she's like,

561
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: and she's like what she has exploded?

562
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 7: She's like, oh no, I brought pain. Yeah, Like, yeah,

563
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 7: I'm gonna blow these them up ers up.

564
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Speaker 5: So yeah, when she says at the end, you know,

565
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 5: my family taught me well, and she looks over at Canaan,

566
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: she means her chosen family.

567
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 7: Correct, Absolutely, Yeah, that.

568
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: Was really she said.

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 6: I guess I'd just been raised right, And that really

570
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 6: got me. Henry as a testament to you guys, your

571
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: your writing skills. I guess that sounds silly, but you

572
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 6: guys sprinkle these like poignant, meaningful moments or lines, but

573
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 6: like throughout, but they're they're just they're just right, Like

574
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 6: they're never like overly sentimental or melodramatic. It's just you know,

575
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 6: she says, I guess I would just raise right, and

576
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 6: then shoots Kanaan a look, and it's so it's just

577
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 6: it's just so tastefully done, which I think lands all

578
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 6: the more. You know, it's more meaningful that way. And

579
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: we talk about it all the time when there's like

580
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 6: a moment that could have been so heavy handed, but

581
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 6: it wasn't.

582
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: It was just right.

583
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of like going back and forth

584
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: over in the atomatic stage. But we also, you know,

585
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: like what she's saying there is thank you, right, Like

586
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: she's basically saying thank you kan because you probably saved

587
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: my life. Right. But also we put those in because

588
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: this is my personal philosophy in Star Wars. When I

589
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: write a story, there's always some pro social aspect that

590
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: goes like underneath the plot. And you know, like we

591
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: haven't talked about the kind of stories we tell, like

592
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: there's like the mystical stories, which are the kind of

593
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Jedi sid stories, and then you have war stories which

594
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: are sort of like the po'hara rebel stories. So we

595
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: but underneath it all is always something that we want

596
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: to say about the family unit, but also something that's

597
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: pro social, which is you know what you don't always

598
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: like Sabine could have killed him, Yeah, on the fast draw,

599
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: she could have shot him in the face. I think

600
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I actually pitched that, which is like you killed Harah

601
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: and I just shot you in the face. And now

602
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he she won by trial combat, but

603
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: then that would have taken a story a completely different thing.

604
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, she disarmed him because she's already

605
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: learning from Kanan, because Kana basically said made her promise,

606
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: don't shoot people, don't kill him, even though the next

607
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: seed is they're on the run and the Men of

608
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Orange are trying to kill him.

609
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 7: So she's already she's already.

610
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Like doing as he's as she's already learned from him.

611
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: And by the end of the episode we come see

612
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: it come full circle, which is like, oh, yeah, you

613
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: guys are you know, you're great? You guys are great

614
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Space Mom and Space Dad.

615
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, that whole thing. Oh go ahead, no, no,

616
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 7: go ahead, you go.

617
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 8: I was just going to say, like that whole thing

618
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 8: when Kanan makes it being promised not to kill them

619
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Speaker 8: when they remind me a Terminator two, when John Connor

620
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 8: makes as I swear to kill anyone like that's basically wealthy.

621
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I.

622
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 6: Was going to say that when earlier in the episode,

623
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 6: when when Kane says, hey, I trust you.

624
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: I thought that was really like just a.

625
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 6: Small but really important moment, just especially considering, like sabines

626
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 6: earlier concerns or feelings of you know, I don't know

627
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: about inadequacy, but just just feeling concerned about not being

628
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 6: trusted by the crew, especially Space Mom and Space Dds,

629
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 6: specifically Space Mom and so in that, you know, in

630
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 6: that moment when he said, you know, when there things

631
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 6: are happening and he just takes a quick moment to say, hey,

632
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 6: I trust you, I just thought was also another lovely,

633
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 6: quick little moment where it's not too much, but I

634
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 6: think that was probably be really meaningful for her.

635
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: Then of course she goes on to do what she did.

636
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: Well, it's also he's reminding of her a promise kill anybody.

637
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Now it's a little bit of fat.

638
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 6: That's kind of parenting where it's like, yeah, not okay,

639
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: interesting hmm, I'm I'm talking.

640
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 7: And she and she keeps her word, you know what

641
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 7: I mean.

642
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: As much as she wants to kill these guys because

643
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: she's still mad, right, she would have she would have

644
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: murdered them all because of what they did to Harrah.

645
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: And and I think that's that kind of like interesting

646
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: thing because that's how she was raised. You know, she's

647
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: fighting fire with fire. That's what they did. She's going

648
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: to come in and serve it up right.

649
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 7: Back to him.

650
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 6: So it's like in her DNA almost absolutely what they do.

651
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

652
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

653
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 8: I had a question for you, Henry in terms of,

654
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Speaker 8: like when you're putting the right together and think and

655
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Speaker 8: remember when I dumd you a week ago, you told

656
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Speaker 8: me about you just touched on the two layer process

657
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 8: of you got to make sure this is here and

658
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 8: this is all. You also had the message underneath it.

659
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Speaker 8: But in terms of the visuals, do you write it

660
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 8: with visuals in mind? Because what's that standoff between Sabine

661
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 8: and Fenrau that's really in the roots of Star Wars

662
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 8: being a space western adapted from Cudasala and like that

663
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 8: straight up spaghetti western. Did you write it with that

664
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Speaker 8: visual in mind? Like they have a standoff like good

665
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 8: Ben the Ugly or is that something that comes up

666
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Speaker 8: just after the script's done You're like, oh, yeah, let's

667
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Speaker 8: make it like this. I'm just I've never really seen

668
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Speaker 8: an animated script in its entirety, like live actually once

669
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Speaker 8: looked like so I was just curious about that.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I could definitely send you that script. And absolutely,

671
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: it's the western. You know, that's something that we like

672
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: even you know, discussed in the story, which is, oh yeah,

673
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: this is the you know, this is a gunslinger. And

674
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: even the whole scene where you know, Canaan walks and

675
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: sidles up to the bar, you know, and puts his

676
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: lightsaber on the bar. You know, that whole scene is

677
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: right out of like high Noon. Absolutely, So it's it's yeah,

678
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you kind of think about it,

679
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the recipe that George you know,

680
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: created when he created Star Wars, which is like all

681
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: of his favorite cinema put together, right, It's like, okay,

682
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: shirt's based on the space serials of the thirties, but

683
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: then it's got the Kurusawa Samurai movies of the fifty sixties,

684
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Speaker 1: and then it's got like the you know, the john

685
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Ford westerns of the fifties and the sixties, the war

686
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: movies of the sixties too, So all of that recipe

687
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: goes into making Star Wars. Like calling upon those same

688
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: influences he used makes it feel like Star Wars, you know,

689
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: and Rebels I think to me feels the most like

690
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Star Wars because when we and this you might may

691
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: or may not have talked about this before, but even

692
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: the way it's shot, it's used the same lenses that

693
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: George used when he made the original trilogy. Wow, so

694
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Speaker 1: using and that not extra other lenses, just the same

695
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: ones that George used. So when you're watching it, you

696
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: don't realize that all of these things combine work together.

697
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Speaker 3: You know.

698
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the whole idea of digital versus analog,

699
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Like this is still like an analog world the Star

700
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: Wars taking place in. So there's a lot of thought

701
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: and so much professionalism and genius, you know, animators and

702
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: our board guys. Yeah, they probably looked at I knew,

703
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, to make sure we got that whole scene

704
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: feeling right. I think it went on longer, but you know,

705
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: we have twenty two minutes.

706
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 7: You know, you can only get away with so much,

707
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 7: or at least the Gilroy Cutt would.

708
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Speaker 3: Henry, would you have an idea of how many people

709
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 3: worked on I mean an estimate on one episode of Rebels?

710
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: I know, like obviously there's people across the entire season, right,

711
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 3: and everyone's given different assignments, but like on an episode

712
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: of Rebels, how many people would.

713
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Speaker 10: Be in on that?

714
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: From over one hundred over one hundred's.

715
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that besides who's in

716
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: the credits, like eighty, there's there's so many people who

717
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: are are a small part of it, you know, but

718
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: a very important part, you know what I mean. So yeah,

719
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of people teaming up, you know.

720
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: You know when you look at like like, oh, who

721
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: does the explosions. There's a guy who does the explosions, right,

722
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: and then oh who does the sound for the explosions?

723
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: And then you know all of the comping, you know,

724
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the visual comping, visual effects, so there's so much and

725
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: then just getting the animation right, you know, the small

726
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: little character stuff, and you guys bring like fifty percent

727
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: of who the characters are. I always say like, oh yeah, yeah,

728
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: you guys could create these characters. But really, you know,

729
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of shows don't have like the level of

730
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: dedications I think that you guys did to the characters,

731
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: because like I joke about you guys being the characters,

732
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: but you kind of are.

733
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 10: So yeah.

734
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Speaker 3: And there's a thing too, where like every person you

735
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Speaker 3: say like roughly one hundred feels like gives the same

736
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: amount of thought that you give, and that I think

737
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: we hoped to have given on everything that like we

738
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: always talked about, John points out so many little details.

739
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm sure that's a reference to this or

740
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: or inspired by that. And when you think about it,

741
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: if someone's just an explosives, they are giving as much

742
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: thought as you're talking about to this one explosive that.

743
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Speaker 3: And they're fans of Star Wars and of what George

744
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: had watched that of course they're going to be pulling

745
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: from all this that like, my favorite thing of watching

746
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: the show has been the like minutia, these tiny details

747
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: that are just I think John always says it like

748
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: there are no mistakes really it feels like everyone gave

749
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: so much thought and it's it's just really cool.

750
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

751
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we we started that on on Clone Wars.

752
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, the very beginning, George was like, oh, you know,

753
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing my George impression and get in trouble.

754
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 7: Guys. Yeah, I'm retired. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna

755
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 7: like maybe see you once or twice a year. You know,

756
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 7: I'm done.

757
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, you guys make a Star Wars cartoon, okay,

758
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: And then we were like, yeah, we can't do that.

759
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: We have to make something that feels like Star Wars.

760
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: So when George saw our first renders, he's like, oh,

761
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you guys are making cinema. So then we went from

762
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see him twice a year to two meetings

763
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: a week because he was excited about it. And I

764
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: think that, you know, it was it was kind of

765
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: fortuitous that to people who really loved it, and I

766
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: think that's why I was brought back for Rebels. Was like, oh, right,

767
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: this is a guy who learned how to make it

768
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: from George, so he can bring the same thing. You know.

769
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: I think not to bad talk Disney, but I think

770
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: initially Disney was like, great, we have Star Wars. You know,

771
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: have everyone say, I got a bad feeling about this, right,

772
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: there's a there's a tendency to want to repeat the

773
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: same thing you've seen again. Yeah, exactly, Oh my gosh,

774
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: absolutely so. But we had already like got that beaten

775
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: out of us by George. So it was like, Okay,

776
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: make it feel like Star Wars with the music and

777
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: the character, but also do this new stuff. And I

778
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: think what's awesome and a testament to your work and

779
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: everyone who worked on it is the rebels. They're still

780
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: pulling from it. They're still pulling from it. They're making

781
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: new shows, they're making new comics, they're making dough stuff

782
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: just because.

783
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Speaker 9: You know it it.

784
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Speaker 7: It kind of avoided some of the the over you know,

785
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 7: the eye of sr On or the io picky. I guess.

786
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: That we're really focused on the big budget movies, we

787
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: could actually go in and make these really true to

788
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Star Wars adventures with you guys.

789
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

790
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 6: Well, I think, I mean, this is like the mutual

791
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: admiration society over here. But I think a lot, if

792
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 6: not most of that is due to the writing and

793
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 6: the characters created. I mean, yes, like we were so

794
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 6: lucky to get to be a part of it. And

795
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 6: I don't know how it worked out that we are

796
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 6: all so similar to is that art imitating life? Is

797
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 6: it life imitating art that we are or did I

798
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: guess you could speak to this Henry, like, how much

799
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 6: of our personalities really did you?

800
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: Guys?

801
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 6: How much did our real life personalities actually inform the characters?

802
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: Because I guess I've never actually.

803
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: Asked you think to you, is it's coolest to be no?

804
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: Obviously, And I'll be the first to admit that, Yeah.

805
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys are you guys are awesome?

806
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, can we mark mark that down and

807
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 6: like clip that place for posterity sake?

808
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to send you to your different rooms

809
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: space mompace.

810
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 6: Mom No, because people, you know, people ask me that.

811
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 6: I'm sure they ask you guys that too, like you know,

812
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 6: and I don't. I often my answer is, oh, I

813
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 6: think the writers sort of, like you know, incorporated some

814
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 6: of our personality into these characters. But is that even true?

815
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you would be the one to.

816
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: Ask, absolutely, you guys, I you know, I I I

817
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: can't put enough stress on what you guys bring because

818
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: you guys really do co create the characters. And it's

819
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: funny because I'll write some dialogue and I don't know,

820
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if this line works, and then we'll

821
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: get it, get you guys in the room and you'll

822
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: make it sing or you know, you'll go, oh, can

823
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: I say it this way instead, and it's like, oh,

824
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: thank you, Yes, that's what it needed. So that part

825
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: of it is absolutely true, you know. On the other hand,

826
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: you're right, Like you know, when I was at Lucas

827
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: moved up to the Bay Area. I was there six

828
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: days a week, you know, twelve hours a day, craft

829
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: in the scripts with the writers, you know, like going

830
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: over to designs, having discussions with story you know, the

831
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: visual story folks about how this unfolds, you know what

832
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean. So sitting in atomatics. So we really went

833
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: over it with a fine tooth comban. And you know,

834
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: the the folks that Disney, they realize, oh we had

835
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: something special. Like after the first season, I think they're like, oh,

836
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: this isn't just a kiddie show. This is Star Wars,

837
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: you know. And this is the quote I always use

838
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: that I get in trouble for, which is I said,

839
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: my job. I think it was because they kept I

840
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: kept getting a note that Ezra needs to write Chopper

841
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: like a skateboard, and I'm getting mad. There's even a

842
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: poster of it. I'm getting mad. I'm like, no, it's

843
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: he's not a skateboard, you know, he's a canter. And

844
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: and my quote was, my job is not to protect

845
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: a Disney brand, is to protect the Star Wars brand,

846
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: which is they're slightly different, right, They're They're not the

847
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: same thing. And I think that they can have crossover,

848
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, that wholesome entertainment family, you know, but there

849
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: is there is a different vibe that isn't you know,

850
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: the Disney brand. It's the Star Wars brand. And and

851
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: I think the way that like the theme parks brought

852
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: him together, it's awesome, it's fantastic. People are doing amazing work.

853
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: And even now, you know the fact that you can

854
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: get something like visions, I think is really you know, yeah,

855
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's downding because it's like, oh yeah, people

856
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: love this world, but they want to see different flavors

857
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: of it. And I think, I really think that you

858
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: guys were at the forefront of that and creating that

859
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: behind your lead.

860
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 7: Oh, thanks a very much. Yeah, you know.

861
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 8: And so after the first season, because I imagine there's

862
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 8: some you'd have to do some pushback to Disney. No,

863
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 8: it says they're always is going to be when you're

864
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 8: up against a corporate conglomerate who has a corporate mindset.

865
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 8: But were they kind of leaving you alone a little

866
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 8: more like in season two after they saw the season

867
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 8: one worked, or was there more battles to be had

868
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 8: moving forward?

869
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 7: I think when.

870
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: The inquisitor chopped off, like decapitated a couple of characters' heads,

871
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: and we got a note back saying, we don't actually

872
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: see it, we just hear his lightsaber go on, and

873
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I could push his lightsaber forward. Of the two guys

874
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: get their heads chopped off, They're like, does inquisitors chop

875
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: these guys heads off?

876
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so that's what happened. It's like their response

877
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 7: was like, oh, that was it, you know, all right?

878
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of those two guys. They

879
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: were kind of the bumbling guys in season one. Like

880
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: season one definitely is a little I want to say

881
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: Disney friendlier, just because it was like that's what they wanted.

882
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: They wanted, Oh, it can't be as dark as Clone Wars.

883
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: And the show got a lot of hate from the

884
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: Clone War purists initially because they're like, oh my gosh,

885
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe they cancel Clone Wars for this or whatever.

886
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: We knew where we were going, because it's the same

887
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: thing as like Clone Wars, Like the early season is,

888
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, like Ahsoka is a younger person who is

889
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of being introduced to this world and that part

890
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: of the story and Ezra kind of being introduced to

891
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: the world of the Jedi is definitely very something very

892
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: similar to that. And yeah, as you get more powerful

893
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: as a character, you definitely need to have more powerful

894
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: those and that's when you bring Invader and and the

895
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: stories are more intense and there's there's loss and no

896
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: courage all that stuff.

897
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 7: So cool.

898
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 8: I love that And that moment you talk about that

899
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 8: that's such a pointy moment for a callous because I was.

900
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 8: I felt like that was the start of him kind

901
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 8: of turning and realizing, oh, I might have joined the

902
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 8: wrong side that inquisitor thing you're talking about of the decapitation, no.

903
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 7: Not to give the wrong thing, right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

904
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 7: the the thing that's season one Callous.

905
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Callous' turning point is when he has his space romance

906
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Ice Planet with zeb bromance, Let's go, it's it's it's

907
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what's the name of the movie, The

908
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: Defiant Moonstruck the no kind of but it's it's enemy Mind.

909
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I love that movie. It's enemy mine. I

910
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 7: never put that together. Yeah, he's he's Ware, he's Dowage

911
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 7: and he's Jerry. Oh my, you are absolutely right broken.

912
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 7: I want to I want to make that all of

913
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 7: them now, all of these, but you're right, the fire one.

914
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: But it's really it's really about like its enemy mind

915
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: can kill us because.

916
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: That could have killed him, right, yeah, Dad could have

917
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: killed Callous there and and and he didn't because like

918
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: he had every reason too, this guy like Murderer's Planet like,

919
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: but also zeb it showed the zeb change, the zeb

920
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: change because of Canaan like Canaan like the Jedi way

921
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: like permeated all of the other characters.

922
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 7: And and in that episode that's why, you know, and

923
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 7: we can discuss it. When did you get there?

924
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: Also that episode was a bottle episode, which is periodically

925
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: in the production.

926
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 7: I'd be told like, we don't have any money or

927
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 7: time and the art which.

928
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Are getting killed, write a bottle episode and so so

929
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: we don't we don't have like a new location, so

930
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: write something, you know, And that's actually the next episode,

931
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: the call. That's how that that started off, which was like, oh,

932
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: let's put him in space and they run out of gas,

933
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: so they're literally stuck on this on the ship.

934
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 7: But of course as we're.

935
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Making it, days like yeah, but I need a I

936
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: need I need to you know, caldera, you know, like so,

937
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and it was like, you get one creature, and so

938
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I named the creature of the pergol which I'm like, oh,

939
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: they per they per like kittens, but they're kind of

940
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: fish like, so Pergole, Like this is what you know

941
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: the name of them anyway, Henry.

942
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think from those factorys that's going to

943
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 8: be a natural segue to the fact shop before we

944
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 8: get there. One thing, Vanessa, it's funny you touched on

945
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 8: how Freddie you never seen Freddy's movies. You know who

946
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 8: else has never seen Freddy's movies? Freddy and you will

947
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 8: be the first to tell you that. But that's a

948
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 8: natural segue to our fact check portion with our guy JC,

949
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 8: so j C, I know you got some good stuff

950
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 8: for us today.

951
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 12: Yeah, goodness, Okay, I don't between Henry and Taylor. I'm

952
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 12: done wow.

953
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 8: Every week now since Taylor, like you know, out in himself,

954
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 8: is like the keeper of the lore g this is bad.

955
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 7: I also apologize.

956
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 12: They're building the death Star right next to my studio,

957
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 12: so if it gets really loud, I apologize. This is

958
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 12: something that people have been listening to us for the

959
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 12: last fifteen episodes or whatever. No, but they're building the

960
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 12: dust Start next door, and it's loud.

961
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 6: It sounds ominous, so it's kind of cool.

962
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 7: Okay, what do I have today?

963
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 12: You mentioned the Mandalorian white armor, so I have I

964
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 12: have fact check, but I also have like fact check question.

965
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 12: Is the white armor a nod to the original Boba

966
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 12: Fette armor?

967
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 7: Was that that's a corneous decision? Oh yeah, the Ralph

968
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 7: McCory design.

969
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, our director Killy Plunkett huge McCrory fan, And that

970
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: was like one of those like it wasn't even a question.

971
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 7: It was like, oh, we're absolutely doing that.

972
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 4: So cool you guys, I have you on. Sorry, please continue.

973
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 12: Taylor of course knows this, but fenn Rau. Brad Rau

974
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 12: directed this episode, who then went on and did four

975
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 12: other episode or had done four other episodes of Rebels

976
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 12: and did bad Batch and kind of took over as

977
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 12: Dave ascended beyond animation. There you guys mentioned the Mandalorian Fighter.

978
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 12: It's a I'm going to butcher the pronunciation, a com

979
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 12: kom apostrophe, RK class fighter transport, or simply the Gauntlet Fighter.

980
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 7: Deathwatch.

981
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 12: We did learn the origin of Deathwatch was in Clone

982
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 12: Wars episode titled the Mandalor Plot the first appearance, season two,

983
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 12: episode twelve. Now Here's where it's going to get. This

984
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 12: is the last one I have, but this is a

985
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 12: big one. Vanessa. You mentioned at some point the quote

986
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 12: you know, this Jedi philosopher's stuff doesn't work for everyone.

987
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 12: And then at the end there's another quote that says

988
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 12: about Sabin who says, I think it's Canaan or somebody

989
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 12: says you're sounding more like a Jedi than a Mandalorian

990
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 12: to Sabine. Now here's where it's going to get get

991
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 12: a little interesting. After watching Ahsoka season one, we know

992
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 12: that Sabine eventually does train as a Jedi under Ahsoka.

993
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 12: My opinion when I was watching Ahsoka season one is

994
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 12: that making a Jedi kind of was the last thing

995
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 12: that I would have expected, having watched four seasons of

996
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 12: Rebels and seeing her story arc through Rebels, so rewatching

997
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 12: and seeing this episode for the first time in a decade,

998
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 12: hearing these two lines. Was it in the plan for

999
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 12: Sabine if Rebels had continued on to go down a

1000
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 12: Jedi path? Or was that an invention to sell more

1001
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 12: Lightsabers in the last couple years? And are you able

1002
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 12: to answer that?

1003
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 7: I'll say that it was absolutely not the plan.

1004
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we had a discussion in

1005
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: actually season three about whether that and we actually felt

1006
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: that it it. We really felt not only did it

1007
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: step on ezra story, but it was like a rethread

1008
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: of Okay, we already did.

1009
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 7: This, you know what I mean?

1010
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, the idea of some being training as a

1011
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Jedi when she is already you know, this fantastic warrior

1012
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: of her own type, We felt like, well, this is overkill.

1013
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: So honestly, I had nothing to do with be Aka series,

1014
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: so I was shocked because pretty much, you know, our

1015
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: entire story team we discussed it in season three.

1016
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 7: We thought it was a bad idea.

1017
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: We kind of did a pros and cons list and

1018
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: we're like, on, yeah, this is just kind of like

1019
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: a week a week rethread.

1020
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 7: Why why is the being you know, why would we

1021
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 7: push that way? However, what I love about.

1022
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: The story with a Dark sab is you don't have

1023
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: to be a Jedi to have Jedi ideals and embrace

1024
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: the Jedi philosophy. And I think that's what's really like

1025
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: the more important thing rather than Okay, now I'm gonna

1026
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, force push Ezra, you know, one hundred feet

1027
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: when I've never used a force.

1028
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 7: Before, you know what I mean. It's that kind of thing.

1029
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: Wow, I think clip clip it.

1030
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 12: If I if I can hazard uh My, as I

1031
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 12: was watching that show, what I thought was going to

1032
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 12: happen is just what you said that Ahsoka or that

1033
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 12: Ahsoka recognized that Sabine was going to need to become

1034
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 12: a leader, but she was too brash and too headstrong

1035
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 12: and too quick to fight still, and Ahsoka was able

1036
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 12: to look forward through the force and see that Sabine

1037
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 12: needed to undergo Jedi training not to be able to

1038
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 12: force push Ezra, but to train her mind to think

1039
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 12: more like haarrah More like a leader, and that Ahsoka

1040
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 12: could get Sabine to that point because they knew that

1041
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 12: they would need Sabine to lead forces against Braun. And

1042
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 12: then that all disappeared watching that show. But that was

1043
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 12: my take on it when I first started to see that,

1044
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 12: which I thought was very in line with what you

1045
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 12: guys had done on rebels.

1046
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1047
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird thing in my mind. You kind

1048
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: of see Sabine already pick up the leadership mantle, you know,

1049
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: she does it when they go, you know, to to Mandalora.

1050
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: So she comes into her own from being that kind

1051
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: of mercenario. I'm going to be the mercenary, you know,

1052
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: Mandalorian warrior versus like, oh wait, I'm part of this

1053
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: this bigger fight against oppression, and I can be a leader,

1054
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: not in a on commanding troops, but but but but

1055
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: just by demonstrating you know, the leadership skills, right, which

1056
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: is you know, leading the charge or or you know,

1057
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: inspiring people around her by her courage you know, and

1058
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: her you know, and her.

1059
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 7: You know who she is as a person as a

1060
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: strong person. So yeah, I.

1061
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that that it that it really kind

1062
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: of diminished her trying to make her a Jedi because

1063
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 1: she doesn't need it. She doesn't need to, she doesn't

1064
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: need to use the force. Right, that's my that's my opinion.

1065
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: But so it was definitely a shock to me too

1066
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: to see her, you know, suddenly training Henry.

1067
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: Can you come back?

1068
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, questions next episode, I'm asking you. I'm asking you

1069
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: a bigger questions.

1070
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 6: This is fascinating and also like, it's so I mean,

1071
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 6: it gives me so much insight that I I suppose

1072
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 6: I do have I can ask you questions. I could

1073
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 6: just you know, text you, but I don't think too

1074
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 6: But in this setting, I'm like, wait, I have so

1075
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 6: many more questions, and we will, we won't have enough time.

1076
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 6: But anyway, this is so fascinating to hear your perspective

1077
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 6: on this stuff because I get asked these questions, but

1078
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Speaker 6: I A, I don't know the answer you do, and

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Speaker 6: B like what my opinion is sort of irrelevant, whereas

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Speaker 6: you actually, like you said that you guys had this

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Speaker 6: discussion and decided against it for reasons A, B, and C,

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Speaker 6: which all makes a lot of sense to me. So

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Speaker 6: it's really enlightening to hear you talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I mean, you know, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: people expect a certain kind of story when you're doing

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Speaker 1: when you're telling a Star Wars story, and I think

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Speaker 1: that probably is what influenced, you know, why you got

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Speaker 1: that story in the Asoka series, which is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we want to bring this character, but what do we

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Speaker 1: do with them? And I think that's probably like part

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Speaker 1: of the decision. But I think there was also and

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Speaker 1: that I can't speak of the truth of this, but

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Speaker 1: when I think about it, I'm going like, oh, everybody.

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Speaker 7: Is a Jedi, you know what I mean, versus like,

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I feel like when everybody's a Jedi, nobody's a Jedi's

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Speaker 1: That's that's how I feel, which is like, no, like

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Speaker 1: Han Solo never needed to turn on a light staber

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Speaker 1: except when he was going to cut open a ton

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Speaker 1: toon right, Like it's that kind of thing, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean?

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Speaker 7: Like in my mind, yeah, I don't. I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you need to have a variety of characters.

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Speaker 1: I think in the specialness to who they are as

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Speaker 1: individuals is what makes Star Wars amazing to me.

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Speaker 12: We do a lot of we do a lot of

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Speaker 12: sports analogies on this show, and It's kind of like

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Speaker 12: if every player in the NBA is Michael Jordan, Lebron James,

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Speaker 12: and Kobe Bryant, then nobody's Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or

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Speaker 12: Lebron James. You don't have those, you don't There are

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Speaker 12: people who have greater abilities than other people. And what

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Speaker 12: it means is like, you know, John Paxton or bj

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Speaker 12: Armstrong has to be the best version of John Paxton

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Speaker 12: or Steve Kerr.

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Speaker 10: They Paxton Jackson. Sorry, come on, and you're from Chicago.

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Speaker 10: What has been a long time. I've had a lot

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Speaker 10: of Star Wars knowledge up here has got to go.

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Speaker 10: But you know, you have to have all types to

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Speaker 10: get the job done. You can't just have a team

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Speaker 10: of you know, Patrick Mahomes because Patrick Mahomes can't catch

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Speaker 10: a pass, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the constraints or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: the idea that they wanted to push forward another Lightsaber

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Speaker 1: where like Wheeling character, that there's something to that.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you know what I mean. So I I yeah,

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Speaker 7: I just would have flought at Tooth and Nail Toys, well.

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Speaker 2: Lightsaber sell, Yeah, and so so did you.

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Speaker 1: I think when you have like like as diverse or

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Speaker 1: writing team as we had on Rebels, and we had

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Speaker 1: people who are like more comedy people, but then we

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Speaker 1: have people who are like more kind of science fiction

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Speaker 1: people and more fantasy. Like every time I staff up

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Speaker 1: a room, I like to bring in people at least

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Speaker 1: like everybody around me, somebody who's better at me one thing,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like I can I

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Speaker 1: can like put all of their talents to use and go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, We're going to do a conspiracy So

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Speaker 1: we're going to use that writer because they're really good

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Speaker 1: at writing that kind of like like cool weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then oh, we're going to do a creature episode.

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Speaker 1: Oh they love or droids. They love droids.

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Speaker 7: So I think, yeah, you cast writers just like you

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Speaker 7: do you know actors. I love that.

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Speaker 8: Henry Week, I talked to you all day, and luckily

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Speaker 8: you've agreed to come back for our next episode next

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Speaker 8: which is going to air next week, and where we're

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Speaker 8: going to dive a little deeper into more like off

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Speaker 8: is the Star Wars stuff, but also who you are,

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Speaker 8: because we're interested in knowing a little more of your backstory,

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Speaker 8: and I know our listeners will be interested in that too,

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Speaker 8: and I know our listeners are so excited to get

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Speaker 8: more insights from you. But like you know, we're just

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Speaker 8: gonna have to. Like we had to earn jc's fact

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Speaker 8: checks at the end of the episode, our listeners is

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Speaker 8: gonna have to earn the origin story if you will

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Speaker 8: of the great Henry go Roy next week. So Jac,

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Speaker 8: thanks for the fact check, Thank you Henry for joining us,

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Speaker 8: thank you for agreeing to come back, and we can't

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Speaker 8: wait to dive in more to your backstory. But until then,

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Speaker 8: Taylor's got the magic words.

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Speaker 2: Cue the music.

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Speaker 8: Auto Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing,

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Speaker 8: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, TiO Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John

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Speaker 8: Lee Brody Executive producer and in house star Wars guru

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Speaker 8: slash back checker J C.

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Speaker 7: Reifenberg.

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Speaker 8: Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art

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Speaker 8: was created by Neil Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs. Special

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Speaker 8: Evan kras Glory, Willie Morrison, Devor Trasy, Canobio, George Lucas

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Speaker 8: for creating this universe we love so much, and of

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