Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social
Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford,
Speaker 1: as always joined by the one and only Wes Hodkowits
Speaker 1: coming to you from our humble abodes as we have
Speaker 1: been for the past several weeks and west we'll pick
Speaker 1: up today's show right where we left off on our
Speaker 1: last show. In reviewing the draft class, we got through
Speaker 1: the Packers picks on the first two days. So on
Speaker 1: the third day of the NFL Draft, the Packers drafted
Speaker 1: a linebacker from Minnesota, then three consecutive offensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the sixth round, followed by a safety from TCU, and
Speaker 1: then an edge rusher from Miami. What did you make
Speaker 1: of the players the Packers brought in on Day three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Day three. It's always kind of a handful of everything, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's what can you find, what
Speaker 1: traits are out there, and how do you think these
Speaker 1: guys could potentially help you in the long run. Because
Speaker 1: as much as people sometimes can say, uh, what is
Speaker 1: the fifth rounder gonna do? What is a sixth rounder
Speaker 1: gonna do? Sometimes those players become Corey Linsley or Desmond Bishop. So, uh,
Speaker 1: starting off with Kamal Martin, if I can start there,
Speaker 1: I really like this prospect for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: One um, if you know anything about covering athletics in
Speaker 1: the Midwest, Martin dealt with a plight of a lot
Speaker 1: of Midwest prep athletes and that he was really good
Speaker 1: in his area. He was appeared to be going to
Speaker 1: a max school to play quarterback, and then lo and behold,
Speaker 1: the offer comes in from Minnesota to go play linebacker there.
Speaker 1: It's very similar to the route that alec Ingold took
Speaker 1: from Bayport to almost northern Illinois to Wisconsin and now
Speaker 1: he's a fullback for the Oakland Raiders. So those are
Speaker 1: the type of things that are gonna happen when you're
Speaker 1: not that big five star recruit, and I think Martin
Speaker 1: made the most of that during his time at Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Six ft three pounds, nice long arms, a willing tackler,
Speaker 1: a guy that can help you on special teams. He
Speaker 1: did have the knee injury last year that sidelined him
Speaker 1: for five games, but when you're looking for a mid
Speaker 1: round inside linebacker, I think he checks a lot of
Speaker 1: the boxes and at the very least this is the
Speaker 1: guy that could potentially maybe step in there and do
Speaker 1: a role that b J. Goodson left last year when
Speaker 1: when he went to sign with Cleveland, you know, the
Speaker 1: first and second down role. Brandon Ross was quick to
Speaker 1: mention he also could play dime linebacker. We'll all see.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like he's a perfectly fine coverage
Speaker 1: linebacker as well. But overall, for a fifth round pick,
Speaker 1: you're looking for traits, and Martin certainly has those. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for me, if there's one player from the
Speaker 1: Day three group that has a chance to maybe find
Speaker 1: a role on offens or defense aside from just special teams,
Speaker 1: but finding a role from scrimmage as a rookie, it
Speaker 1: might be Martin from Minnesota. Because Packers have Chris and
Speaker 1: Kirksey an inside linebacker, I think Martin gets thrown right
Speaker 1: in there into what is going to be a developing
Speaker 1: competition between or In Burke's, Curtis Bolton, Ty Summers, and
Speaker 1: now Martin for maybe who's going to be that that
Speaker 1: first partner with Kirksey when Mike Petton wants to inside
Speaker 1: linebackers on the field, say in some first and second
Speaker 1: down situations. So, um, what we heard from Brian Gudakunst
Speaker 1: does if Camal Martin gets back to be in the
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen Martin before he was playing through and
Speaker 1: ultimately shut down by a knee injury in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: that the Packers potentially got really good value here in
Speaker 1: the fifth round. It sounds like from talking to Uh,
Speaker 1: to Brandy and Ross, the Packers Midland scout who was
Speaker 1: one of the scouts involved in in um acquiring or
Speaker 1: or drafting Martin, the the toughness that he showed in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, you know, playing through the ry until ultimately
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it anymore. That was something that really
Speaker 1: stood out to them that it's it sounds like this
Speaker 1: is a pretty tough customer. He also sounds like a
Speaker 1: guy who's who's a leader type on special teams that
Speaker 1: took a lot of pride in that phase of the game.
Speaker 1: And UH and I think he you know, you know
Speaker 1: p J. Fleck, the head coach at the University of Minnesota,
Speaker 1: this guy, yeah, the row of the boat, right, But
Speaker 1: Kamal Martin sounds like, you know, the type of guy
Speaker 1: that that that p J. Fleck would really like and
Speaker 1: would be a leader on a team coached by a
Speaker 1: guy like that. So I think this is a really
Speaker 1: interesting pick to be able to get on Day three
Speaker 1: for Green Bay. Yeah, and the bigger thing is Mike
Speaker 1: the Packers with this inside linebacker position, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: brand new this year. Martin, you know, like Martinez, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, uh, you know b J Goodson, They're both gone.
Speaker 1: So this is all gonna be the land of opportunity.
Speaker 1: Now for how these guys step up and fill that void.
Speaker 1: Certainly it starts with Christian Kirksey. He was the free
Speaker 1: agent acquisition. He's the veteran, He's the guy that can
Speaker 1: play all three downs. And as the history with Mike Patton,
Speaker 1: that's the starting point. But we saw last year how
Speaker 1: much they needed b J. Goodson to play. I don't
Speaker 1: know his exact snaps off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was somewhere in that range. So whether
Speaker 1: that's or In Burke's or Ty Summers or court Curtis
Speaker 1: Bolton or this young man you know, Kamal Martin coming
Speaker 1: in there, all of it, they're all options, and you
Speaker 1: need options at that position. You also need youth, and
Speaker 1: I think the Packers have a nice balance of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're moving on to the sixth round. The Packers drafted
Speaker 1: three consecutive offensive lineman in the sixth round. I actually
Speaker 1: looked it up west. The last time the Packers did
Speaker 1: that three consecutive offensive linemen in a draft nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: six you have to go back to the Lombardi era
Speaker 1: for the last time that happened. They want a super
Speaker 1: bowlt Yeah, they did. They certainly did. Um but some interesting,
Speaker 1: interesting prospects here and that every guy has a different story.
Speaker 1: Amongst these linemen, you have John Runyan Jr. From Michigan,
Speaker 1: whose father uh very accomplished pro and then went on
Speaker 1: to be a congressman in Washington, d C. You have
Speaker 1: Jake Hanson, a four year starter at center for the
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks and a powerhouse team out there in the
Speaker 1: Pac twelve. And then Simon Stepaniak from Indiana who is
Speaker 1: coming off of a knee injury. He injured his knee
Speaker 1: in Bowl prep for Indiana, so he did not get
Speaker 1: to play the final game of his college career, and
Speaker 1: his timeline is a little bit uncertain coming off of
Speaker 1: a pretty significant knee surgery over the winter. So a
Speaker 1: lot of different stories here with with these three guys,
Speaker 1: what stands out to you the most. Well, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about running. But first off, you do feel
Speaker 1: for Stepanek because here's a guy that this he would
Speaker 1: have been in, you know, an earlier Day three pick,
Speaker 1: maybe even at the end of day two, but then
Speaker 1: he has this knee injury because he's trying to play
Speaker 1: in a ball game for Indiana. If you know anything
Speaker 1: about Indiana, those ball games are coveted. They didn't come
Speaker 1: around the whole heck of a lot for a long time.
Speaker 1: So so you tip your hat to him. Brian Good
Speaker 1: conceived and mentioned it. If he is actually healthy, he
Speaker 1: probably is not going to be there in the sixth round,
Speaker 1: thirty seven bench reps. Uh. One thing all three of
Speaker 1: these guys have in common. They all played a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of experience, there's a lot of starting experience.
Speaker 1: What I really like about John Runyon though, is that
Speaker 1: his story everybody would just think, Okay, he's John Runyon
Speaker 1: Senior's kid, a fourteen year NFL pro, a former Pro
Speaker 1: bowler with the Philadelphia Eagles, a guy that was just
Speaker 1: an absolute pillar at right tackle for a decade, and
Speaker 1: it's just like Okay, here's his son. I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: just a five star recruit. He's a big, you know guy.
Speaker 1: He had to earn everything he got at Michigan. He
Speaker 1: was a three star recruit. I believe going in there,
Speaker 1: it took him a couple of years to find a role,
Speaker 1: but eventually they pushed him in there at left tackle
Speaker 1: and he stuck. He started two seasons at left tackle
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. I think that says a lot
Speaker 1: for him. And now he's probably gonna push inside at
Speaker 1: the next level. How how do we know that? Matt
Speaker 1: Floor even basically said you very rarely here. The coaches
Speaker 1: talked about, well, yeah, we're gonna see No. They want
Speaker 1: to look at him as an interior alignment, and Mike,
Speaker 1: you know the history of that. The Packers have a
Speaker 1: boatload of these guys at the you know, Power five
Speaker 1: conference level, at the MAC level, um down at us
Speaker 1: r UCF with Josh Sitton, guys that played tackle, that
Speaker 1: pushed inside and became Pro Bowl guards in this league. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to set the bar too high for
Speaker 1: John running here. He is a six round pick, but
Speaker 1: he just seems to be a guy that fits that lineage.
Speaker 1: Of a prospect that could potentially go down that road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to really you have to really be intrigued
Speaker 1: by a pick like this and and we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, um, you know, he having that experience
Speaker 1: at tackle in a conference like the Big Ten, even
Speaker 1: if he is making a position switch, you have to
Speaker 1: believe he'll be uh, he'll be ready for something like that. Um.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the thirty seven bench press reps by by
Speaker 1: Stepaniak from Indiana. The interesting thing there he did that
Speaker 1: about six or seven weeks after having knee surgery. Now,
Speaker 1: I know you're not lifting weights with your knees when
Speaker 1: you're bench pressing, but in terms of actually being able
Speaker 1: to train and get ready to do the bench at
Speaker 1: the combine, he didn't have a whole lot of prep
Speaker 1: time for it coming off of the knee surgery, and
Speaker 1: he did thirty seven reps. I actually talked to his
Speaker 1: position coach at Indiana on the phone yesterday for a
Speaker 1: story I'm gonna be working on in the coming days,
Speaker 1: and he said, there's no question that he would have
Speaker 1: been somewhere in the forties for the bench press reps
Speaker 1: if he had actually been at you know, full strength
Speaker 1: so and thirty seven was one of the top numbers
Speaker 1: put up by any offensive lineman. So no lack of
Speaker 1: strength there. And quite frankly the same with Jake Hansen,
Speaker 1: the center from Oregon. He did thirty three reps on
Speaker 1: the bench and you know, at six three and around
Speaker 1: three ten, three twelve, right in that range, that's pretty
Speaker 1: big for a center. Now, again, this is a guy
Speaker 1: maybe the Packers are going to try him at guard
Speaker 1: because that that would be awfully, awfully big for a
Speaker 1: center in terms of, you know, the mobility and everything
Speaker 1: that that you need. There. So some some interesting prospects
Speaker 1: here in terms of what direction the Packers decided to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta tell this story, Mike, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to a lot of people are gonna be
Speaker 1: like Jake Hansen from Oregon. Uh, you know, multi year
Speaker 1: starter for them the Ducks. That's great. I'm really excited
Speaker 1: for Jake. I hope he has a nice long career.
Speaker 1: He's from Eureka, California, Mike, That's where my family is from.
Speaker 1: So you might remember two years ago I took two
Speaker 1: weeks of vacation. The only back to that makes a
Speaker 1: vacation I've taken since I come over to the packers.
Speaker 1: It was to drive to Eureka, California. That's a thirty
Speaker 1: two hour drive from Green Bay, Wisconsin. So for his sake,
Speaker 1: I hope you got a head start, you know, when
Speaker 1: he eventually makes his way to green Bay here, but
Speaker 1: to a blue collar area northern California. This is this
Speaker 1: is not you know, the what you would think of of,
Speaker 1: you know, the see and uh, you know guys on
Speaker 1: surfboards and nine. It's it's a chilly kind of you know,
Speaker 1: coastal climate up there, and he and there isn't a
Speaker 1: whole lot of spotlight shining. And this is a guy
Speaker 1: that earned an opportunity at Oregon and once he got there, man,
Speaker 1: he stayed. He stayed in that starting center role. He
Speaker 1: gives you some versatility inside. We'll move on here. But
Speaker 1: all three of those offensive lineman, Mike, they all have
Speaker 1: different traits. Running ran a really good forty, the two
Speaker 1: other guys the forties not as fast, but then put
Speaker 1: up a bunch on the bench reps. That's what you want.
Speaker 1: You want to have three guys that you're you're throwing
Speaker 1: some coins in the middle there and hoping that something
Speaker 1: pays dividends. Yeah, alright. Well, with regard to the seventh round,
Speaker 1: Vernon Scott, a safety from TCU, and then Jonathan Garvin
Speaker 1: and edge rusher from Miami, I'm gonna turn this over
Speaker 1: to us because by the time the seventh round of
Speaker 1: the draft rolled around, I was running on fumes. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you were in some respect as well, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to put together my my thoughts for a
Speaker 1: wrap up story at the end of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I gave a very cursory look at the seventh
Speaker 1: round picks, I confess. So give us your quick cliffs
Speaker 1: notes version on Vernon Scott and John Garman. You think
Speaker 1: you were running on fumes. I think I basically had
Speaker 1: one on one interviews with these guys on the conference calls.
Speaker 1: I think everybody was on fumes at that point. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great though, very nice guys. Uh Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to start with with Vernon first if I can.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Scott that is just amazing. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that was not on the NFL radar
Speaker 1: year ago. He was mostly a special teams player for TCU.
Speaker 1: He got a couple, he got a little bit more
Speaker 1: defensive action. Is junior year, but had never really been
Speaker 1: a starter. Well this year he finally gets that opportunity.
Speaker 1: He he's able to get that big interception against Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: the huge rival for the horn Frogs nine yard interception
Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown, one shy of the school record.
Speaker 1: He he makes the most of that chance, and then
Speaker 1: here we go. We He doesn't get a combine invite,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get a pro day because of this whole
Speaker 1: COVID epidemic. So he's literally sitting on his aunt's coach
Speaker 1: in Dallas, Texas, wondering, all right, wins my phone gonna ring?
Speaker 1: Is my phone gonna ring? And more likely than not,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to sign a uf A deal.
Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers found this kid, and if you
Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper, there's a lot to like
Speaker 1: in his story. Good size for the position, really good versatility,
Speaker 1: and all the interviews he did leading up to the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, he talked about I'm hoping that teams look
Speaker 1: at my versatility and feel like I can play in
Speaker 1: the box, I can play in the slot, I can
Speaker 1: play high safety, I can play low, can play strong.
Speaker 1: And then he also plays on the core for special
Speaker 1: teams units for TCU. That's what you need to make
Speaker 1: it as a seventh round pick. Good friends with Tye Summers.
Speaker 1: We wish him well now that he gets his chance
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Jonathan Garvin is a fascinating story and
Speaker 1: as I wrote in my seventh round story on Saturday Night,
Speaker 1: the polar opposite of Scott. This is a guy that
Speaker 1: played as a true freshman on defense. He he went
Speaker 1: out for the draft after his true junior year, had
Speaker 1: a big sophomore year seventeen tackles for a lost five
Speaker 1: and a half sacks. They call him the Spider because
Speaker 1: of his size. He will not turn twenty one until
Speaker 1: later this year. He is young, he has potential. And
Speaker 1: when you think about those conversations we've had with Mike
Speaker 1: Smith and how excited he's been about Rashaun Gary, Tim Williams,
Speaker 1: and now you get a kid like this in that room,
Speaker 1: I have to imagine he obviously wasn't running down the
Speaker 1: hallway at lambeau Field this year, but wherever his house
Speaker 1: is in the Green Bay area, I'm guessing he was
Speaker 1: pretty amped. Yeah. Absolutely, and I'll be curious to see
Speaker 1: just when you talk about a guy coming off the
Speaker 1: edge that kind of speed. Obviously, it's a position the
Speaker 1: Packers already have plenty of depth that so they'll be
Speaker 1: time for a guy like Garvin to to kind of
Speaker 1: feel his way and figure it out in the NFL,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned as a very very young guy. So
Speaker 1: I want to get to because we talked on Monday
Speaker 1: about how this draft did not go as we expected.
Speaker 1: It did not go as anybody outside of the confines
Speaker 1: of twelve sixty five necessarily expected, because the Packers did
Speaker 1: not draft a wide receiver, did not draft a defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and did not draft a cornerback. All of those I
Speaker 1: think we were expecting the Packers to select at some point.
Speaker 1: I want to start first with the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: because both Brian Goodakumsen Matt Lafleur made it pretty clear
Speaker 1: on Saturday night. I mean, yes, they had some wide
Speaker 1: receivers targeted. Things did not fall fall their way in
Speaker 1: that regard the trade up for Jordan's Love in the
Speaker 1: first round, you sacrifice a fourth round pick. You know
Speaker 1: that hamstrings you a little bit in terms of being
Speaker 1: able to move around later in the draft. So all
Speaker 1: of those things factored into it, but they are they
Speaker 1: have the confidence and they are banking on the acquisition
Speaker 1: of Devin Funcius, continued growth from Alan Lazard mvs. The
Speaker 1: return of eq St Brown, Jake Kumero obviously in that
Speaker 1: mix as well. Out of all the moments West with
Speaker 1: regard to the wide receivers, the one that stood out
Speaker 1: to me the most was when Matt Lafleur was talking
Speaker 1: briefly about Marquis Velde's scantling and he said, as a
Speaker 1: coaching staff, we are going to be all over him
Speaker 1: to maximize to get the most out of his ability,
Speaker 1: because they see the talent, they see the ability. There
Speaker 1: have been obviously the flashes of production over his first
Speaker 1: two NFL seasons. That comment stood out to me maybe
Speaker 1: more than any other that was made about the the
Speaker 1: receivers the Packers have coming back. Yeah, every offseason there's
Speaker 1: probably about five comments that get made throughout the course
Speaker 1: of it, whether it's from the GM, the head coach,
Speaker 1: something you know on social media, and they tend to
Speaker 1: get brought up once the season begins. Once time moves on,
Speaker 1: that was a very salient point that I felt that
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur made a very mature point because this isn't
Speaker 1: all on Marquis about this scamp. Like sure, some of
Speaker 1: it is. He needs to be able to to be
Speaker 1: more consistent, but he has a wealth of ability. The
Speaker 1: Packers and to pull it out of him because we
Speaker 1: saw it in Spurts in two thousand eighteen. Last year,
Speaker 1: he just after those first three games, he just wasn't
Speaker 1: able to get that confidence back. They need to find it.
Speaker 1: And I think I was telling you at the end
Speaker 1: of last season, I think he just needs one big catch.
Speaker 1: I think he needs one big play now. His route
Speaker 1: running needs to get better. You know, he needs to
Speaker 1: be able to show her up that side of this thing.
Speaker 1: But he is always one play away from being in
Speaker 1: the end zone, and that has to intrigue you. To
Speaker 1: the second point about the receivers. I get it, everybody
Speaker 1: wants a brand new toy when they go to the store.
Speaker 1: But you have to also understand the Packers found something
Speaker 1: in Alan Lazard. Al Lazar didn't matter who they took.
Speaker 1: It could have taken Tee Higgins, they could have taken
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. That could have taken all these guys. Alan
Speaker 1: Lazard is gonna start for this team next year. He's
Speaker 1: earned that opportunity. He and and obviously training camp will
Speaker 1: have to play out, but he's going to be at
Speaker 1: the start of that line, right behind Davante Adams when
Speaker 1: we get back into training camp next year. Secondly, Devin Funches,
Speaker 1: he's still only twenty five. He'll turn twenty s now,
Speaker 1: I think this next month. He's played a lot of
Speaker 1: football in his five years, last year being the lone
Speaker 1: exception because of the collar bone injury. Devin Funcies is
Speaker 1: not some guy they brought off the street because hey,
Speaker 1: we need a receiver. This guy appears to be tall.
Speaker 1: Let's just throw him in there and let him compete.
Speaker 1: Devon Funcis is another guy that's gonna be at the
Speaker 1: top of the step chart because a year earlier. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get into the numbers, but the Indianapolis Colts
Speaker 1: paid him a nice sum of money to come in
Speaker 1: on a one year contract. This is another proven deal
Speaker 1: for him. But this is not some Mike Spofford Wes
Speaker 1: Hogwitz walked on the football field. And while they're gonna
Speaker 1: be cut in three days, Devon Functis is very much
Speaker 1: a part of this puzzle, and yes, I get it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Everybody would have loved to have a
Speaker 1: receiver from this beautiful class of receivers. Beautiful is a
Speaker 1: big word these days. I think that would have been great,
Speaker 1: But that's not the reality. The reality is the Packers
Speaker 1: felt like the value wasn't there when they were picking.
Speaker 1: They weren't gonna draft receivers late just for the sake
Speaker 1: of drafting him. They're gonna trust what they have in house.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of prospects. Yeah, and there's a
Speaker 1: couple of unknowns here in the mix. Obviously I mentioned
Speaker 1: e q st Brown coming back from the knee injury,
Speaker 1: and then Reggie Bjelton signing from the CFL put up
Speaker 1: some monster numbers in Canada. Packers are going to see
Speaker 1: what they have there. That's that's another one of these, uh,
Speaker 1: these great unknowns. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk him up too much or make any promises,
Speaker 1: but but he's definitely someone to watch. UM. I want
Speaker 1: to talk also about the movie the or I should say,
Speaker 1: maybe the non moves on defense, no defensive lineman, no cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Um I you know me, West, I like to read
Speaker 1: between the lines. I like to read the Tea leaves
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of the comments that we
Speaker 1: get and the more I hear Brian Goodakunsten, Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: talk about the run defense and the fact that a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman was not selected. I think there was somewhere
Speaker 1: along the line. Maybe it was right after the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game there was a conversation between Matt Lafleur and
Speaker 1: Mike Patton about what happened with the run defense in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and that there are some things schematically that
Speaker 1: they can do to fix some of these issues. And
Speaker 1: the other thing I will throw in there as well.
Speaker 1: Rashawn Geary, the first round draft pick from last year,
Speaker 1: did not play a whole lot as a rookie. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that I think, depending on how you
Speaker 1: want to move around Zadarius Smith, Rashawn Gary is a
Speaker 1: guy who can move around the defensive front. Rashawn Gary
Speaker 1: could be a piece to what the Packers are going
Speaker 1: to do on run defense. In just a suspicion that
Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, it's a good suspension to have because
Speaker 1: I think when you look at how this draft played out,
Speaker 1: they are looking you just you're right, you read between
Speaker 1: the lines, you try to understand what the motivations were.
Speaker 1: The Packers are looking at their last two draft classes
Speaker 1: to be the push that the defense needs to bring
Speaker 1: them over the top. There's something that Lafleura and Petton
Speaker 1: found with that run defense that made them believe it's
Speaker 1: not personnel related. If it was, then you would have
Speaker 1: seen a big free agent come in, you would have
Speaker 1: seen a big draft pick. Used. They are staying in house,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't do that if you didn't feel like
Speaker 1: you had answers. So that will be interesting to follow.
Speaker 1: But secondly, Mike, Yeah, it's Rashaun Gary, It's Kingsley, Kiki,
Speaker 1: It's orn bergs it's Josh Jackson, it's Chandon Sullivan. It's
Speaker 1: all these young guys on the roster at these various
Speaker 1: positions that they will be counting on to be the
Speaker 1: push that this defense needs to not only you know,
Speaker 1: be in that top ten where they've kept talking about
Speaker 1: where they want to be, but just being more consistent
Speaker 1: and how they attack this thing on a weekend and
Speaker 1: week out basis. Yeah, I mean, we heard with regards
Speaker 1: to the cornerback spot, that Nickel corner spot that some
Speaker 1: people are asking about we heard what sounds like a
Speaker 1: pretty strong vote of confidence for Channon Sullivan and for
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson. Now, maybe Brian Goudakin still has plans to
Speaker 1: go out there and signed Shrman Williams. We don't know
Speaker 1: that yet. It sounded to me like he was a
Speaker 1: little lukewarm on that idea. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's downplaying his hand a little bit
Speaker 1: because if he's like, oh, yeah, we'll go sign Shrman Williams,
Speaker 1: will suddenly the price tag goes up right and negotiation, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, have fun with that. So that's one of
Speaker 1: those things. We'll wait and see how that how that
Speaker 1: shakes out. But um, the Packers, the decision makers here
Speaker 1: the Brian Goudacunsten Mattel floor at the top of the
Speaker 1: football operation in the At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: this draft was about in terms of the greatest impact
Speaker 1: on the Green Bay Packers. It's going to be about
Speaker 1: the progress from within, about the young guys who need
Speaker 1: to and I don't like to use the word potential
Speaker 1: all the time, but fulfill their promise. They have a lot,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of promise, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of capability. It's time that that they get closer to
Speaker 1: that maximum level. And that's uh, that's what the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and and the rest of the football operation is
Speaker 1: going to try to get out of these guys moving forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes the decision you have to make is whether or
Speaker 1: not the car runs right. I mean, if you buy
Speaker 1: a car, is it going to be able to get
Speaker 1: you where you need to get you or do you
Speaker 1: have to go get another one? You You also can't
Speaker 1: just keep buying new cars every year. You gotta eventually
Speaker 1: stick with one. So I think there is that understanding
Speaker 1: that there's patients that's required. There's a lot of potential
Speaker 1: amongst those players. So giving them an opportunity now to
Speaker 1: maybe you take that next step up, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the that's gonna be the direction of this thing, because
Speaker 1: when you first, you know, start addressing the defense of
Speaker 1: the fifth round, you have to look from within to
Speaker 1: to look for your improvement the following season. Yeah, all right, well,
Speaker 1: with that, we will call it a wrap on this
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