1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social 2 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: as always joined by the one and only Wes Hodkowits 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: coming to you from our humble abodes as we have 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: been for the past several weeks and west we'll pick 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: up today's show right where we left off on our 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: last show. In reviewing the draft class, we got through 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: the Packers picks on the first two days. So on 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: the third day of the NFL Draft, the Packers drafted 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: a linebacker from Minnesota, then three consecutive offensive lineman in 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: the sixth round, followed by a safety from TCU, and 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: then an edge rusher from Miami. What did you make 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: of the players the Packers brought in on Day three? Yeah, 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: that Day three. It's always kind of a handful of everything, right, 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's what can you find, what 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: traits are out there, and how do you think these 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: guys could potentially help you in the long run. Because 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: as much as people sometimes can say, uh, what is 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: the fifth rounder gonna do? What is a sixth rounder 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: gonna do? Sometimes those players become Corey Linsley or Desmond Bishop. So, uh, 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: starting off with Kamal Martin, if I can start there, 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I really like this prospect for a lot of reasons. 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: One um, if you know anything about covering athletics in 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: the Midwest, Martin dealt with a plight of a lot 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: of Midwest prep athletes and that he was really good 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: in his area. He was appeared to be going to 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: a max school to play quarterback, and then lo and behold, 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: the offer comes in from Minnesota to go play linebacker there. 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: It's very similar to the route that alec Ingold took 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: from Bayport to almost northern Illinois to Wisconsin and now 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: he's a fullback for the Oakland Raiders. So those are 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: the type of things that are gonna happen when you're 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: not that big five star recruit, and I think Martin 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: made the most of that during his time at Minnesota. 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Six ft three pounds, nice long arms, a willing tackler, 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: a guy that can help you on special teams. He 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: did have the knee injury last year that sidelined him 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: for five games, but when you're looking for a mid 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: round inside linebacker, I think he checks a lot of 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: the boxes and at the very least this is the 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: guy that could potentially maybe step in there and do 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: a role that b J. Goodson left last year when 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: when he went to sign with Cleveland, you know, the 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: first and second down role. Brandon Ross was quick to 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: mention he also could play dime linebacker. We'll all see. 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like he's a perfectly fine coverage 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: linebacker as well. But overall, for a fifth round pick, 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you're looking for traits, and Martin certainly has those. Yeah. 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: I think for me, if there's one player from the 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: Day three group that has a chance to maybe find 51 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: a role on offens or defense aside from just special teams, 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: but finding a role from scrimmage as a rookie, it 53 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: might be Martin from Minnesota. Because Packers have Chris and 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: Kirksey an inside linebacker, I think Martin gets thrown right 55 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: in there into what is going to be a developing 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: competition between or In Burke's, Curtis Bolton, Ty Summers, and 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: now Martin for maybe who's going to be that that 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: first partner with Kirksey when Mike Petton wants to inside 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: linebackers on the field, say in some first and second 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: down situations. So, um, what we heard from Brian Gudakunst 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: does if Camal Martin gets back to be in the 62 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen Martin before he was playing through and 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: ultimately shut down by a knee injury in twenty nineteen, 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: that the Packers potentially got really good value here in 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the fifth round. It sounds like from talking to Uh, 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: to Brandy and Ross, the Packers Midland scout who was 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: one of the scouts involved in in um acquiring or 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: or drafting Martin, the the toughness that he showed in 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, you know, playing through the ry until ultimately 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: he couldn't do it anymore. That was something that really 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: stood out to them that it's it sounds like this 72 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: is a pretty tough customer. He also sounds like a 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: guy who's who's a leader type on special teams that 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: took a lot of pride in that phase of the game. 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: And UH and I think he you know, you know 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: p J. Fleck, the head coach at the University of Minnesota, 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: this guy, yeah, the row of the boat, right, But 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: Kamal Martin sounds like, you know, the type of guy 79 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: that that that p J. Fleck would really like and 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: would be a leader on a team coached by a 81 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: guy like that. So I think this is a really 82 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: interesting pick to be able to get on Day three 83 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: for Green Bay. Yeah, and the bigger thing is Mike 84 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: the Packers with this inside linebacker position, it's gonna be 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: brand new this year. Martin, you know, like Martinez, as 86 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: I mentioned, uh, you know b J Goodson, They're both gone. 87 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: So this is all gonna be the land of opportunity. 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Now for how these guys step up and fill that void. 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Certainly it starts with Christian Kirksey. He was the free 90 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: agent acquisition. He's the veteran, He's the guy that can 91 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: play all three downs. And as the history with Mike Patton, 92 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: that's the starting point. But we saw last year how 93 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: much they needed b J. Goodson to play. I don't 94 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: know his exact snaps off the top of my head, 95 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was somewhere in that range. So whether 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: that's or In Burke's or Ty Summers or court Curtis 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: Bolton or this young man you know, Kamal Martin coming 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: in there, all of it, they're all options, and you 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: need options at that position. You also need youth, and 100 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: I think the Packers have a nice balance of that. Yeah, 101 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: we're moving on to the sixth round. The Packers drafted 102 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: three consecutive offensive lineman in the sixth round. I actually 103 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: looked it up west. The last time the Packers did 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: that three consecutive offensive linemen in a draft nineteen sixties 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: six you have to go back to the Lombardi era 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: for the last time that happened. They want a super 107 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: bowlt Yeah, they did. They certainly did. Um but some interesting, 108 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: interesting prospects here and that every guy has a different story. 109 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: Amongst these linemen, you have John Runyan Jr. From Michigan, 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: whose father uh very accomplished pro and then went on 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: to be a congressman in Washington, d C. You have 112 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: Jake Hanson, a four year starter at center for the 113 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks and a powerhouse team out there in the 114 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: Pac twelve. And then Simon Stepaniak from Indiana who is 115 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: coming off of a knee injury. He injured his knee 116 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: in Bowl prep for Indiana, so he did not get 117 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: to play the final game of his college career, and 118 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: his timeline is a little bit uncertain coming off of 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: a pretty significant knee surgery over the winter. So a 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of different stories here with with these three guys, 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: what stands out to you the most. Well, I want 122 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: to talk about running. But first off, you do feel 123 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: for Stepanek because here's a guy that this he would 124 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: have been in, you know, an earlier Day three pick, 125 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe even at the end of day two, but then 126 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: he has this knee injury because he's trying to play 127 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: in a ball game for Indiana. If you know anything 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: about Indiana, those ball games are coveted. They didn't come 129 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: around the whole heck of a lot for a long time. 130 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: So so you tip your hat to him. Brian Good 131 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: conceived and mentioned it. If he is actually healthy, he 132 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: probably is not going to be there in the sixth round, 133 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: thirty seven bench reps. Uh. One thing all three of 134 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: these guys have in common. They all played a lot. 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: There's a ton of experience, there's a lot of starting experience. 136 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: What I really like about John Runyon though, is that 137 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: his story everybody would just think, Okay, he's John Runyon 138 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Senior's kid, a fourteen year NFL pro, a former Pro 139 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: bowler with the Philadelphia Eagles, a guy that was just 140 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: an absolute pillar at right tackle for a decade, and 141 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: it's just like Okay, here's his son. I'm sure he's 142 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: just a five star recruit. He's a big, you know guy. 143 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: He had to earn everything he got at Michigan. He 144 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: was a three star recruit. I believe going in there, 145 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: it took him a couple of years to find a role, 146 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: but eventually they pushed him in there at left tackle 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: and he stuck. He started two seasons at left tackle 148 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. I think that says a lot 149 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: for him. And now he's probably gonna push inside at 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: the next level. How how do we know that? Matt 151 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Floor even basically said you very rarely here. The coaches 152 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: talked about, well, yeah, we're gonna see No. They want 153 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: to look at him as an interior alignment, and Mike, 154 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: you know the history of that. The Packers have a 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: boatload of these guys at the you know, Power five 156 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: conference level, at the MAC level, um down at us 157 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: r UCF with Josh Sitton, guys that played tackle, that 158 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: pushed inside and became Pro Bowl guards in this league. Now, 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to set the bar too high for 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: John running here. He is a six round pick, but 161 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: he just seems to be a guy that fits that lineage. 162 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Of a prospect that could potentially go down that road. Yeah, 163 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: you have to really you have to really be intrigued 164 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: by a pick like this and and we'll see. I mean, 165 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: I think, uh, um, you know, he having that experience 166 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: at tackle in a conference like the Big Ten, even 167 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: if he is making a position switch, you have to 168 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: believe he'll be uh, he'll be ready for something like that. Um. 169 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: You mentioned the thirty seven bench press reps by by 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: Stepaniak from Indiana. The interesting thing there he did that 171 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: about six or seven weeks after having knee surgery. Now, 172 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: I know you're not lifting weights with your knees when 173 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: you're bench pressing, but in terms of actually being able 174 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: to train and get ready to do the bench at 175 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: the combine, he didn't have a whole lot of prep 176 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: time for it coming off of the knee surgery, and 177 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: he did thirty seven reps. I actually talked to his 178 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: position coach at Indiana on the phone yesterday for a 179 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: story I'm gonna be working on in the coming days, 180 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: and he said, there's no question that he would have 181 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: been somewhere in the forties for the bench press reps 182 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: if he had actually been at you know, full strength 183 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: so and thirty seven was one of the top numbers 184 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: put up by any offensive lineman. So no lack of 185 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: strength there. And quite frankly the same with Jake Hansen, 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the center from Oregon. He did thirty three reps on 187 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: the bench and you know, at six three and around 188 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: three ten, three twelve, right in that range, that's pretty 189 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: big for a center. Now, again, this is a guy 190 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe the Packers are going to try him at guard 191 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: because that that would be awfully, awfully big for a 192 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: center in terms of, you know, the mobility and everything 193 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that that you need. There. So some some interesting prospects 194 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: here in terms of what direction the Packers decided to go. Yeah, 195 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta tell this story, Mike, you know, 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: I have to a lot of people are gonna be 197 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: like Jake Hansen from Oregon. Uh, you know, multi year 198 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: starter for them the Ducks. That's great. I'm really excited 199 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: for Jake. I hope he has a nice long career. 200 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: He's from Eureka, California, Mike, That's where my family is from. 201 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: So you might remember two years ago I took two 202 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: weeks of vacation. The only back to that makes a 203 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: vacation I've taken since I come over to the packers. 204 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: It was to drive to Eureka, California. That's a thirty 205 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: two hour drive from Green Bay, Wisconsin. So for his sake, 206 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: I hope you got a head start, you know, when 207 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: he eventually makes his way to green Bay here, but 208 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: to a blue collar area northern California. This is this 209 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: is not you know, the what you would think of of, 210 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, the see and uh, you know guys on 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: surfboards and nine. It's it's a chilly kind of you know, 212 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: coastal climate up there, and he and there isn't a 213 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: whole lot of spotlight shining. And this is a guy 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: that earned an opportunity at Oregon and once he got there, man, 215 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: he stayed. He stayed in that starting center role. He 216 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: gives you some versatility inside. We'll move on here. But 217 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: all three of those offensive lineman, Mike, they all have 218 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: different traits. Running ran a really good forty, the two 219 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: other guys the forties not as fast, but then put 220 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: up a bunch on the bench reps. That's what you want. 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: You want to have three guys that you're you're throwing 222 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: some coins in the middle there and hoping that something 223 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: pays dividends. Yeah, alright. Well, with regard to the seventh round, 224 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: Vernon Scott, a safety from TCU, and then Jonathan Garvin 225 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: and edge rusher from Miami, I'm gonna turn this over 226 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: to us because by the time the seventh round of 227 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: the draft rolled around, I was running on fumes. I'm 228 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: sure you were in some respect as well, and I 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: was trying to put together my my thoughts for a 230 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: wrap up story at the end of the whole thing. 231 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: So I gave a very cursory look at the seventh 232 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: round picks, I confess. So give us your quick cliffs 233 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: notes version on Vernon Scott and John Garman. You think 234 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: you were running on fumes. I think I basically had 235 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: one on one interviews with these guys on the conference calls. 236 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I think everybody was on fumes at that point. Yeah. Yeah, 237 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: it was great though, very nice guys. Uh Okay, I 238 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: want to start with with Vernon first if I can. 239 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Scott that is just amazing. This 240 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: is a guy that was not on the NFL radar 241 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: year ago. He was mostly a special teams player for TCU. 242 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: He got a couple, he got a little bit more 243 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: defensive action. Is junior year, but had never really been 244 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: a starter. Well this year he finally gets that opportunity. 245 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: He he's able to get that big interception against Oklahoma, 246 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: the huge rival for the horn Frogs nine yard interception 247 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown, one shy of the school record. 248 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: He he makes the most of that chance, and then 249 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: here we go. We He doesn't get a combine invite, 250 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't get a pro day because of this whole 251 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: COVID epidemic. So he's literally sitting on his aunt's coach 252 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: in Dallas, Texas, wondering, all right, wins my phone gonna ring? 253 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: Is my phone gonna ring? And more likely than not, 254 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to sign a uf A deal. 255 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers found this kid, and if you 256 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper, there's a lot to like 257 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: in his story. Good size for the position, really good versatility, 258 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: and all the interviews he did leading up to the 259 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, he talked about I'm hoping that teams look 260 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: at my versatility and feel like I can play in 261 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: the box, I can play in the slot, I can 262 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: play high safety, I can play low, can play strong. 263 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: And then he also plays on the core for special 264 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: teams units for TCU. That's what you need to make 265 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: it as a seventh round pick. Good friends with Tye Summers. 266 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: We wish him well now that he gets his chance 267 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Jonathan Garvin is a fascinating story and 268 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: as I wrote in my seventh round story on Saturday Night, 269 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: the polar opposite of Scott. This is a guy that 270 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: played as a true freshman on defense. He he went 271 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: out for the draft after his true junior year, had 272 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: a big sophomore year seventeen tackles for a lost five 273 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: and a half sacks. They call him the Spider because 274 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: of his size. He will not turn twenty one until 275 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: later this year. He is young, he has potential. And 276 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: when you think about those conversations we've had with Mike 277 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Smith and how excited he's been about Rashaun Gary, Tim Williams, 278 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: and now you get a kid like this in that room, 279 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: I have to imagine he obviously wasn't running down the 280 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: hallway at lambeau Field this year, but wherever his house 281 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: is in the Green Bay area, I'm guessing he was 282 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: pretty amped. Yeah. Absolutely, and I'll be curious to see 283 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: just when you talk about a guy coming off the 284 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: edge that kind of speed. Obviously, it's a position the 285 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: Packers already have plenty of depth that so they'll be 286 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: time for a guy like Garvin to to kind of 287 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: feel his way and figure it out in the NFL, 288 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: as you mentioned as a very very young guy. So 289 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I want to get to because we talked on Monday 290 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: about how this draft did not go as we expected. 291 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: It did not go as anybody outside of the confines 292 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: of twelve sixty five necessarily expected, because the Packers did 293 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: not draft a wide receiver, did not draft a defensive lineman, 294 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and did not draft a cornerback. All of those I 295 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: think we were expecting the Packers to select at some point. 296 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I want to start first with the wide receiver position, 297 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: because both Brian Goodakumsen Matt Lafleur made it pretty clear 298 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday night. I mean, yes, they had some wide 299 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: receivers targeted. Things did not fall fall their way in 300 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: that regard the trade up for Jordan's Love in the 301 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: first round, you sacrifice a fourth round pick. You know 302 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: that hamstrings you a little bit in terms of being 303 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: able to move around later in the draft. So all 304 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: of those things factored into it, but they are they 305 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: have the confidence and they are banking on the acquisition 306 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: of Devin Funcius, continued growth from Alan Lazard mvs. The 307 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: return of eq St Brown, Jake Kumero obviously in that 308 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: mix as well. Out of all the moments West with 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: regard to the wide receivers, the one that stood out 310 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: to me the most was when Matt Lafleur was talking 311 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: briefly about Marquis Velde's scantling and he said, as a 312 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: coaching staff, we are going to be all over him 313 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: to maximize to get the most out of his ability, 314 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: because they see the talent, they see the ability. There 315 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: have been obviously the flashes of production over his first 316 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: two NFL seasons. That comment stood out to me maybe 317 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: more than any other that was made about the the 318 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: receivers the Packers have coming back. Yeah, every offseason there's 319 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: probably about five comments that get made throughout the course 320 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: of it, whether it's from the GM, the head coach, 321 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: something you know on social media, and they tend to 322 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: get brought up once the season begins. Once time moves on, 323 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: that was a very salient point that I felt that 324 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur made a very mature point because this isn't 325 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: all on Marquis about this scamp. Like sure, some of 326 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: it is. He needs to be able to to be 327 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: more consistent, but he has a wealth of ability. The 328 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: Packers and to pull it out of him because we 329 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: saw it in Spurts in two thousand eighteen. Last year, 330 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: he just after those first three games, he just wasn't 331 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: able to get that confidence back. They need to find it. 332 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: And I think I was telling you at the end 333 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: of last season, I think he just needs one big catch. 334 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: I think he needs one big play now. His route 335 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: running needs to get better. You know, he needs to 336 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: be able to show her up that side of this thing. 337 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: But he is always one play away from being in 338 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: the end zone, and that has to intrigue you. To 339 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: the second point about the receivers. I get it, everybody 340 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: wants a brand new toy when they go to the store. 341 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: But you have to also understand the Packers found something 342 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: in Alan Lazard. Al Lazar didn't matter who they took. 343 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: It could have taken Tee Higgins, they could have taken 344 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. That could have taken all these guys. Alan 345 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: Lazard is gonna start for this team next year. He's 346 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: earned that opportunity. He and and obviously training camp will 347 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: have to play out, but he's going to be at 348 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: the start of that line, right behind Davante Adams when 349 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: we get back into training camp next year. Secondly, Devin Funches, 350 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: he's still only twenty five. He'll turn twenty s now, 351 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: I think this next month. He's played a lot of 352 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: football in his five years, last year being the lone 353 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: exception because of the collar bone injury. Devin Funcies is 354 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: not some guy they brought off the street because hey, 355 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: we need a receiver. This guy appears to be tall. 356 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Let's just throw him in there and let him compete. 357 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: Devon Funcis is another guy that's gonna be at the 358 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: top of the step chart because a year earlier. I'm 359 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: not gonna get into the numbers, but the Indianapolis Colts 360 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: paid him a nice sum of money to come in 361 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: on a one year contract. This is another proven deal 362 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: for him. But this is not some Mike Spofford Wes 363 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: Hogwitz walked on the football field. And while they're gonna 364 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: be cut in three days, Devon Functis is very much 365 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: a part of this puzzle, and yes, I get it. 366 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Everybody would have loved to have a 367 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: receiver from this beautiful class of receivers. Beautiful is a 368 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: big word these days. I think that would have been great, 369 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: But that's not the reality. The reality is the Packers 370 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: felt like the value wasn't there when they were picking. 371 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: They weren't gonna draft receivers late just for the sake 372 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: of drafting him. They're gonna trust what they have in house. 373 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of prospects. Yeah, and there's a 374 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: couple of unknowns here in the mix. Obviously I mentioned 375 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: e q st Brown coming back from the knee injury, 376 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: and then Reggie Bjelton signing from the CFL put up 377 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: some monster numbers in Canada. Packers are going to see 378 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: what they have there. That's that's another one of these, uh, 379 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: these great unknowns. I don't want to I don't want 380 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: to talk him up too much or make any promises, 381 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: but but he's definitely someone to watch. UM. I want 382 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: to talk also about the movie the or I should say, 383 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe the non moves on defense, no defensive lineman, no cornerbacks. 384 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: Um I you know me, West, I like to read 385 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: between the lines. I like to read the Tea leaves 386 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of the comments that we 387 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: get and the more I hear Brian Goodakunsten, Matt Lafleur 388 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: talk about the run defense and the fact that a 389 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: defensive lineman was not selected. I think there was somewhere 390 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: along the line. Maybe it was right after the NFC 391 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Championship game there was a conversation between Matt Lafleur and 392 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Mike Patton about what happened with the run defense in 393 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: San Francisco and that there are some things schematically that 394 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: they can do to fix some of these issues. And 395 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: the other thing I will throw in there as well. 396 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: Rashawn Geary, the first round draft pick from last year, 397 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: did not play a whole lot as a rookie. This 398 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: is a guy that I think, depending on how you 399 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: want to move around Zadarius Smith, Rashawn Gary is a 400 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: guy who can move around the defensive front. Rashawn Gary 401 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: could be a piece to what the Packers are going 402 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: to do on run defense. In just a suspicion that 403 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, it's a good suspension to have because 404 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: I think when you look at how this draft played out, 405 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: they are looking you just you're right, you read between 406 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the lines, you try to understand what the motivations were. 407 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: The Packers are looking at their last two draft classes 408 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: to be the push that the defense needs to bring 409 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: them over the top. There's something that Lafleura and Petton 410 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: found with that run defense that made them believe it's 411 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: not personnel related. If it was, then you would have 412 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: seen a big free agent come in, you would have 413 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: seen a big draft pick. Used. They are staying in house, 414 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't do that if you didn't feel like 415 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: you had answers. So that will be interesting to follow. 416 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: But secondly, Mike, Yeah, it's Rashaun Gary, It's Kingsley, Kiki, 417 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: It's orn bergs it's Josh Jackson, it's Chandon Sullivan. It's 418 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: all these young guys on the roster at these various 419 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: positions that they will be counting on to be the 420 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: push that this defense needs to not only you know, 421 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: be in that top ten where they've kept talking about 422 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: where they want to be, but just being more consistent 423 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: and how they attack this thing on a weekend and 424 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: week out basis. Yeah, I mean, we heard with regards 425 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: to the cornerback spot, that Nickel corner spot that some 426 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: people are asking about we heard what sounds like a 427 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: pretty strong vote of confidence for Channon Sullivan and for 428 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson. Now, maybe Brian Goudakin still has plans to 429 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: go out there and signed Shrman Williams. We don't know 430 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: that yet. It sounded to me like he was a 431 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: little lukewarm on that idea. But at the same time, 432 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's downplaying his hand a little bit 433 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: because if he's like, oh, yeah, we'll go sign Shrman Williams, 434 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: will suddenly the price tag goes up right and negotiation, yeah, 435 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: you know, have fun with that. So that's one of 436 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: those things. We'll wait and see how that how that 437 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: shakes out. But um, the Packers, the decision makers here 438 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the Brian Goudacunsten Mattel floor at the top of the 439 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: football operation in the At the end of the day, 440 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: this draft was about in terms of the greatest impact 441 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: on the Green Bay Packers. It's going to be about 442 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: the progress from within, about the young guys who need 443 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: to and I don't like to use the word potential 444 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: all the time, but fulfill their promise. They have a lot, 445 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: they have a lot of promise, they have a lot 446 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: of capability. It's time that that they get closer to 447 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: that maximum level. And that's uh, that's what the coaching 448 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: staff and and the rest of the football operation is 449 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: going to try to get out of these guys moving forward. Yeah, 450 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: sometimes the decision you have to make is whether or 451 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: not the car runs right. I mean, if you buy 452 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: a car, is it going to be able to get 453 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: you where you need to get you or do you 454 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: have to go get another one? You You also can't 455 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: just keep buying new cars every year. You gotta eventually 456 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: stick with one. So I think there is that understanding 457 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: that there's patients that's required. There's a lot of potential 458 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: amongst those players. So giving them an opportunity now to 459 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: maybe you take that next step up, that's gonna be 460 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: the that's gonna be the direction of this thing, because 461 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: when you first, you know, start addressing the defense of 462 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the fifth round, you have to look from within to 463 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: to look for your improvement the following season. Yeah, all right, well, 464 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: with that, we will call it a wrap on this 465 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of 466 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team, the draft picks, everything that's 467 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: going on on Packers dot com for wes I Am Mike, 468 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: thank you for tuning, and everybody, we will see you 469 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: next time.