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Over the course of the cases first year, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.480 law enforcement officers began compiling a staggering amount of clues 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.079 that they hoped would lead to the killers. Ohio Attorney 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.960 General Mike Dwine giving an update in the Pike County murderers. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.720 You've received eight hundred and eighty three tips. We have 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.720 conducted four hundred and sixty five interviews, Jewine says. There 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.880 have also been thirty eight search warrants issued, but so 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.040 far new arrest. I think that you know, we made 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:58.040 significant progress. But by early twenty seventeen, the evidence that 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.440 authorities had collected was pointing them to where it's one 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.640 group of people, in particular the Wagner family. That spring, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.239 with the case heating up, the Wagners decided to leave 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.640 the piked In area with Jake Wagner and Hannah Rodin's 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.480 daughter Sophia until they sold their farm packed up their 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.720 belongings and drove four thousand miles north to Kenaie, Alaska, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.960 a city of about eight thousand people southwest of Anchorage. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.360 It was a move that Wagner relative Deray not only encouraged, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.680 but conceived of. They had been wanting to move to 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.360 Alaska for a while because the pastor of the church 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.560 moved there. He's very important headstone and their family. I'm 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.240 the one that told him go to Alaska. Number One, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.920 the state of Ohio can not afford to extradite you 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.560 from Alaska back home. I just thought it was the 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.760 greatest that they took off. I said, that's the best 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.080 thing in the world for the kids, and it's the 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.000 best thing in the world for you guys. The family 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.680 quickly got settled in Keenei. They lived together in a 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.720 double white trailer on a large piece of property. Billy 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.120 and Angela even registered to vote. Jeff talked to one 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.440 of the Wagner's family relatives who kept in touch with 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.920 them while they were in Alaska. She asked us not 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.920 to use her name, but told us about their life 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.720 once they arrived. What was their life like in Alaska. Well, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.200 Jake has got a job. It was a construction type business. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.120 Angela didn't work. I think she might have done some 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.680 things from like home over the internet or something like that. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.719 And Bill, I'm not sure what he did exactly, but 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.440 they did have it very nice home in Alaska that 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.400 they were in the process of trying to buy from 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:41.320 what I understand anyways, and Jake he had Sophie at 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.640 the time, and they just kind of work getting by. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.400 The Wagner's sudden departure left the whole town of piked 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:54.120 and bewildered and suspicious. Dana Roden's friend Stefane remembers the 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.800 day she heard the news. She shared her thoughts with 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.320 Jeff Well, when they left for Alaska, I was like, oh, wow, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.640 they are gonna they are running, you know, they are running. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.680 And then I thought they all get away with it 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.920 if they did this, if they did this, they will 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.400 get away with it. Or people talking about the Wagoners, like, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.680 was the feeling that they might have been guilty or 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.480 what were people thinking or speculating in town. M Yeah, 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.880 they pretty much thought that, you know, that was the 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:32.479 that was the deal. They were running from it. But 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.599 the Wagoner's relocation didn't hinder the investigation. According to reporter 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.159 James Pilcher, it only helped to move the case forward. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.880 They moved to Alaska, which raised even more suspicion. But 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.120 then the very following month, law enforcement actually finally searches 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.240 the properties where the Wagoners lived. So that was really 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.680 the first public indication that the Wagoners were possible suspects, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.560 if not people of interest, So that started to tighten 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:03.800 the noose in terms of the Wagoners. On June six, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.440 twenty seventeen, as the investigation pressed on, Attorney General Mike 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.640 Dwine appealed to the public for information connecting the Wagners 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.920 to the crime. Investigators want any information about the family, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.240 including information about vehicles, guns, and ammunition. Anyone with information 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.920 is asked to call the pieces. Investigative journalists Jodie Barr 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.919 recalled to the Attorney General's announcement. Other than being on 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.560 the ground in Pike County and hearing the Waggoner's names 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.120 come up from time to time and you had no 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.080 verifiable leads or you would exhaust all leads, that was 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.200 the first time that anything was said in public from 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.760 anybody with this investigation that they may have people that 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.400 they were looking at and who potentially had something to 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.400 do with this, and at that time, no one knew 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.880 the extent of the involvement that the investigators believed the 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.680 Waggoners may have had. It was just they were asking 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.920 for help, and that seems really strange. But it also 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:58.960 on the other end, it connected some of the pieces 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.760 that we had heard in the beginning, you know, that 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.880 maybe gave more weight to the custody issues that we 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.839 were trying to dig into before. But it was still 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.720 just it was still confusing that they would come out 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:15.080 and say that and no arrest made, no indictments made, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.000 but yet they were asking for help to identify. Yeah, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.840 it's not unusual that they would just kind of like 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.400 blatantly say a name and be like, does anyone know 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.040 anything about this person who's not an official suspect or 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.520 someone we've arrested. Even it's just confusing, and I would 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.080 love to ask now, Governor Mike DeWine, you know why 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:36.880 they played it the way they played it? You know, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.600 did they know what they needed to know? Then? Were 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.280 they trying to have the Wagners make a misstep when 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:49.320 they announced this to the world. Mike DeWine's press release 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.160 prompted the Wagner's family attorney John K. Clark, to accuse 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.760 law enforcement of harassing his clients. Here's Jeff, followed by Stephanie. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.920 In a statement to the Cincinnati Inquired, the lawyers said 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.240 that the authorities were clueless and competent, or they themselves 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.000 were involved in a cover up. In short, his clients 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.480 were innocent. That's because, according to Clark, the Wagners were 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.920 cooperating with officials and had provided authorities with everything they 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.120 had asked for, including laptops, phones, and DNA willingly, and 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.160 they also agreed to repeated interviews with the Ohio Bureau 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.720 of Criminal Investigation. Clark even said that the Wagners told 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.920 BCI agents that they were in fact moving. I spoke 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.680 with former Ohio Prosecutor Mike Allen about the legal implications 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.360 of the Wagner's cooperation. What about the Wagners and their 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.440 compliance with authorities? I know their lawyer has said they've 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.240 cooperated one hundred and ten percent. Can you talk through 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.160 the details of that, sure? I mean, from what I understand, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.839 they did turn over some things laptops, phones that they 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:54.880 submitted to DNA, giving examplars which it could be compelled 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.480 to do anyway. Some of them at least were interviewed 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.200 by Ohio BCI agents, and I guess they told those 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.840 agents that they were traveling and about to move to Atlanska, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.240 and they claimed they had been thinking about that for 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.240 a long time. So yeah, I mean, from what I 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.040 can see, there was some cooperation. But whether it was 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.160 one hundred and ten percent, I don't know. And frankly 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.040 I doubt because that rarely happens. Does that do anything 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.600 when it comes to juries, you know, does that hold sway? 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.520 It can you know in closing argument that the defense 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.040 lawyer could stand up and say to the jury, my client, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.480 you know, he cooperated one hundred and ten percent, you know, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:43.199 meaning that he has nothing to hide. The Cincinnati Inquirer 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.840 even tracked the family down in Alaska in July of 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.640 twenty seventeen. In a published article, Jake Wagner said that 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.559 he had moved to give Sophia a better life. This 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.320 is Jodi Barr again. The Cincinnati Inquirer obviously went there 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.400 and they found them. I mean, it was they didn't 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.679 try to slip off in the middle of the night. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.080 It didn't seem I mean, if a reporter could find 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.959 them then obviously law enforcements knew very much where they 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.640 were at that point in time. I mean, as far 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.760 as a level of cooperation, we haven't heard anything yet 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.720 that said the Waggoners weren't cooperating with the law enforcements. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.360 Did they do it? We want to know now. Obviously 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.640 everybody wants to know right now, and you don't let 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.680 the process play out. But man, if they're cooperating, as 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.640 this attorney says, they're giving over computers, a laptop, you know, DNA, 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.360 whatever it takes. You know, people who aren't experts of criminology, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.440 we look at that and go, well, man, that sounds 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.079 like an innocent person. An innocent person will be doing that. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.800 Despite their involvement in a very large and very active 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.640 murder investigation. The Wagners were trying to start a new 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.280 life in Alaska and didn't seem to have any intention 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.079 of returning. Here's our anonymous Wagner family source. When I 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.520 would ask to answers, how thanks going, you know, when 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.160 are you say come back and visit or and so forth, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.719 she was kind of just really backwards about it. She 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.240 never would really tell me what they were doing. She 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.760 never really said when she would be back home to visit, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.040 just that she misses us, you know, and that she 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.640 would love to be able to come home, but right 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.920 now she can't, and that she made the comment or 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.400 and said that if she did get to come back, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.760 that she couldn't tell me over the phone, that she 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.920 would just basically have to show up, and that once 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.920 she made it here, then she would contacting me and 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:30.760 letting me know, but that she didn't, you know, want 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:36.840 to botch people to find out about it. In Alaska, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.120 the family went about life as normal. They tried to 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.280 fit into the local community and became regular parishioners at 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.560 the local church. Their pastor even described them to the 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:50.320 Dayton Daily News as quote good country people. We reached 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.480 out to the pastor, who declined to speak with us. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.360 It was at this same church that Jake Wagner was 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.560 introduced to another churchgoer, Elizabeth Armor. The couple dated for 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.120 several months, and then in March twenty eighteen, they got married. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.720 This is Jodi Barr. I've seen you know people I 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.280 know lost his spouse. You know they're married again six months. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.800 If he's innocent and he got remarried, he wanted to 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.959 carry on with his life, and you know, maybe that's it. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.760 But if he really is guilty of having a hand 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.720 and killing eight people and one of those being the 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.560 mother of his own child, and then he enters into 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.440 valves with another woman within months of that, pooh, I 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.559 don't know. I don't know what kind of person you're 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.000 dealing with. Here here's Stephanie talking about what she learned 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.280 by looking at Elizabeth Armour's Facebook posts. She took to 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.040 Facebook to let the world know just how dangerous being 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.320 involved with the Wagners could be. Elizabeth said in one 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.840 of her posts that God told her to come forward 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.440 about her relationship with Jake Wagner. According to her posts, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.680 Elizabeth met Jake through the church and then was encouraged 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.080 to get to know him by her pastor. But she 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.600 maintained that she had no idea that the Wagners were 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.720 involved in such a large murder investigation, and when that 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.080 news of the Rodent massacre came up, the pastor had 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.719 vouched for the Wagoners, telling her that the charges were 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.360 just slander against the family. However, in another post, she 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.239 said she wanted to just be a mother to Sophia, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.240 but that she ended up marrying her worst nightmare. All 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.520 of those posts have since been taken down. We've tried 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.080 to find her and contact her directly, and she's literally 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:34.120 nowhere to be found. Then, in the spring of twenty eighteen, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.120 two years after the Rodents were killed, the Wagner shocked 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.320 everyone again, this time by returning to the piked In area. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.120 Our Wagner family relative explained why they decided to come 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.800 home from what I like, I said, I have understood 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.320 just from a little bit of that I thought to 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:53.480 Angela and then our family and jenneral talking. They had 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.280 came back home because built family father got sick and 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.120 they couldn't afford they were losing what's that home and 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:07.520 everything they had there in Alaska. So basically just like 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.880 it was a handful of that type of stuff. So 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.680 they decided that they were going to come back down 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.720 here and they were just gonna get everything basically situated here. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.080 Once that happened, and once they got back on their feet, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.760 basically then they were planning to go back. They wanted 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.640 to go back. Angela wanted to go back there. She 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.720 made that clear to her father multiple times that that 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.320 was going to be in place that they were. They 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.400 were really looking forward. She lived in and just wanted 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.240 to be there, but they had a bunch of stuff 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.520 that they still had to take care of in order 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.600 so that to happen. The move seemed to baffle everyone 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.400 and piked in Here's local resident Auntie. If you think 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:53.560 about it, the Wagners were scott free. They went to Alaska. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.800 They could have took off and nobody could have ever 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.240 seen them again ever. But they came back here. Came 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.120 back now the way that I am. I would never 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.080 do that. But if I had pulled something off like 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.960 that and got away into that long and went to Alaska, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.760 you know, I'm packing my ship and I'm hitting the woods, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.120 and nobody's ever going to see me again, I'm sure 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.600 the hell not going to come back. The only way 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.000 I would come back is if I thought my ass covered. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.520 Upon returning to Peyton, the Wagoners tried to fly under 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.200 the radar and return to life as normal, but our 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.720 Wagner family relative told Jeff that their homecoming was anything 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.720 but welcome. When they came back, were people kind of 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.640 like has the story died down? Or were people like, oh, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.440 the Wagoners are back. It was probably quiet for about 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.960 I don't know two or three weeks at that, and 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.240 then everybody toned out that they were back in town, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:53.760 and they just absolutely tortured daily. Everybody had started basically 0:15:53.800 --> 0:16:00.280 attacking then the community, accusing them of murdering those paul 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.920 Like if they were in town and people identified um 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.520 their vehicle, they would throw pot bottles at them. Angela 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.800 had actually went into a store one day and some 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.040 woman had actually flewed up behind Angela as she was 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.000 coming back out of the store and through a glass 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.800 key bottle after and it busted her in the back. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.920 She was constantly getting it was less than right, like 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.600 anybody that knew them, or that knew our family, Like 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.960 where we lived, and there was a handful of people 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.120 that had drove by my house and then they were 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:34.840 throwing stuff because I lived kind of right on the 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.400 highway and my house is very easy to spot. I 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.120 have no privacy, so when they I was getting trash, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.600 people were throwing their trash out in my yard, in 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.120 my driveway. They were trying to hit us while we 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.560 were me and my son at the time. You know, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.000 they were just doing my workplace. My vehicle was parked 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.200 outside and my vehicle got keyed. They had, of course 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.480 through ange on it all that type of stuff, wrote 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.000 murderer on it. What I had absolutely nothing to do 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.280 with any of that. As things began to unravel for 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.320 the Wagner's law enforcement was tightening up the case against 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.640 the family. It seemed like it was only a matter 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.040 of time before they were arrested. Investigators now believe there 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.320 were multiple attackers, as according to information from the Ohio 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.120 Attorney General's office. The Ohio Attorney General says the investigation 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.200 is progressing. Wine adds his office knows a lot more 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.800 about what goes on in those Pike County hills. Now 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.200 we know a lot more today. Have we cracked the phase? 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.399 Have we come up with enough evidence to arrest someone 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.439 and get them convicted? No, we have not, But we 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.840 made the rogress. Oh yeah, we made a lot of progress. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.399 On Halloween of twenty eighteen, authorities conducted yet another search 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.360 on a Wagner family property, this time a farm formerly 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.879 owned by Jake and George Wagner. During that raid, investigators 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.720 uncovered a homemade silencer at the bottom of a well. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:01.920 It would seem to be the final piece of the 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.800 puzzle for investigators. As we discussed in great detail in 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.639 episode two. On November thirteenth, Angela and Billy Wagner, and 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.600 their two sons, Jake and George Wagner, were arrested for 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.280 the murders of eight members of the Rodent family. Can 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.159 hear one We had major developments tonight in a bazaar 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.879 in tragic murder case. He took two and a half years, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.080 but arrests have finally been made in the Pike County massacre. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.439 George Billy Wagner the third, he's forty seven. 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