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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Vaux Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Also live on a first Friday edition of Cleveland Browns Daily.

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Speaker 2: I am merely bo he is the great z. It

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Speaker 2: was warm for a day and now not, but its

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Speaker 2: still warm for you. How are you, buddy? I'm good, dude.

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Speaker 2: How are you not bad? Where are we at? Where

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Speaker 2: are we at? In progress? Are we the convalescing?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 4: Are we getting in the more active state of convalescing?

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Speaker 2: Active? We'll use that very very loosely, very loosely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right, but we are.

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Speaker 2: There's progress. There's progress. I can feel positive momentum so good.

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Speaker 2: Not coughing quite as much. Draining is still happening, but

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Speaker 2: not at the level that it was a day ago.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully that is starting to peter out a little

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Speaker 2: bit and we're we're headed in the right direction. My friend,

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Speaker 2: we have to be my god, it can't get it.

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Speaker 2: It was ridiculous. I've been dealing with this for ten

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Speaker 2: days now, more than ten.

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Speaker 4: By the way, though, with this, we've got to get

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Speaker 4: you healthy. And then this weather, I think it needs

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Speaker 4: to just I've decided today, I declared winners over.

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Speaker 2: I'm done with coats. I'm not doing it. There's gonna

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Speaker 2: be no more, no more. It's too much already.

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Speaker 4: That's now we have that terrible situation where some of

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Speaker 4: that snow melted and now there's still the ice that's

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Speaker 4: beneath it all. Nana is slipping and sliding with Luke

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Speaker 4: all over the drive just couldn't get up the driveway

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Speaker 4: because it had turned into ice and parts of it.

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Speaker 4: So she's we need to get some help to push.

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Speaker 2: The stroller up the Uh. Just it's a mess out there.

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Speaker 2: We need sustained. We need like it looks like next

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Speaker 2: week we're getting like sustained mid forties. Yeah, we need rain,

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Speaker 2: all the rain. We need all of this to kind

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Speaker 2: of go away so that we can get a reset.

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Speaker 2: And so then if we get another cold snap in

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Speaker 2: March or something, for a little amount of time, we

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Speaker 2: don't have ice dams underneath.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what I'm pleased to say is though I saw

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Speaker 4: some grass today. Yeah, some grass or some grass on

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Speaker 4: the fields right here at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 4: in Burrie. You can see a little bit of that.

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Speaker 4: So you can talk yourself into some things like crazy

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Speaker 4: declarations like I made earlier today, not wearing jackets anymore.

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Speaker 4: I'm done with it.

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Speaker 2: So really, this is what you're going to try to do.

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Speaker 4: That's my Yes, Yes, I haven't given up the vests.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I'll be able to give up a vest yet,

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Speaker 4: of course, but I'm jacket's done with them.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me that two weeks from today, when we

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Speaker 2: are in Indie and we are on birds trying to

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Speaker 2: get to a meal somewhere that the g man unfortunately

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Speaker 2: is gonna have to pay for.

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Speaker 4: That's a nighttime jacket. I think a nighttime jacket's a

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Speaker 4: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Different, little man, Young Gabriel, Young.

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Speaker 4: Gabriel, A nighttime jacket's a little different. That's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can put on a nighttime jacket in the fall

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Speaker 4: or the spring, you know what i mean.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. You're talking about, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Forget it done, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Just that's it.

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Speaker 4: Retiring my my hat, and I'm going to retire the

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Speaker 4: hat for the while, at least part of.

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Speaker 2: It on the shelf for the year, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: you need it, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Gabriel doesn't. He's not he doesn't want the hat retired.

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Speaker 4: I want the hat back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we have.

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Speaker 4: First of all, this is a wonderful thing. You can't

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Speaker 4: see it on the camera, but we have guests in

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Speaker 4: studio today, Arne Goldman and Massimo Carmosino. Well, I got

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Speaker 4: a little time. Battalian gets Metaliti to me.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Uh.

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Speaker 4: There are the high bidders at the Taste of the

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Speaker 4: but they obviously feel terrible. They're sending their love, but

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Speaker 4: little background. So I have many many years ago, I

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Speaker 4: had a family member went to Russia and brought me

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Speaker 4: back like a spies like us, black sable, crazy hat. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's what you would see in the in the Russian tundra.

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Speaker 4: And it had been lost to me for a great

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Speaker 4: many years. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 4: It was gone, the ring was gone, and then all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden this year, I discovered it in the

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Speaker 4: closet and I've been wearing it everywhere and my son,

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Speaker 4: little Luca, thinks it's hilarious. When as soon as I

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Speaker 4: put it on, he knows we mean business for going

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Speaker 4: to the grocery store. So I wear around shopping, get

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Speaker 4: comments on it every time. It's a unique item. But

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Speaker 4: I'm done with it because winter's over. But it is

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Speaker 4: the warmest hat I've ever had in my entire life

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Speaker 4: that I can say for certain. And it's a it's

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Speaker 2: A fashion piece. It's a statement. It's the statement. It's

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Speaker 2: the it's the hat that George Costanza stole from Elaine

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Speaker 2: Bennis that from the J. Peterman catalog that he tried

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Speaker 2: lee Remember he tried leaving it at that woman's house

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Speaker 2: so that you have a reason to go back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what it is. That one was sable and Costanza

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Speaker 2: took it and Elaine needed it back for the J.

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Speaker 2: Peterman catalog and he left it. Oh, yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Peterman sable maybe my head and I don't have a

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Speaker 4: big head, no, but it's not as tall off of

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Speaker 4: my head as it is on George as.

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Speaker 2: George Costanza Jason Alexander. My hunches is somewhere between five

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Speaker 2: four and five six. You are six similar, though that's

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Speaker 2: the exact look.

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Speaker 4: The paneling's the same, and and I have the ability

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Speaker 4: though his I don't know if he has the ability

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Speaker 4: and then bring the ear flaps down, right if I

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Speaker 4: wanted to. That's yeah, to make it yeah, more of

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Speaker 4: a cousin Eddie. Yeah, that's that's spot on that.

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Speaker 2: Do you not remember this episode?

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Speaker 4: You know I did not right off the top of

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Speaker 4: my head. The second date, I believe, is that what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Elaine's working for Peterman. Of course they're doing

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Speaker 2: the Peterman catalog release. And one of the items, remember

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Speaker 2: she would test drive the items like the urbanbrero, the

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Speaker 2: Urban sombrero in this catalog for sure. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it was in this one, but like, she would

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Speaker 2: lighting everything, and so Costanza took it, took the sable

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Speaker 2: no interest in a second date with him, and he said,

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Speaker 2: can get this done. And so he left the Sable

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Speaker 2: the second date. And so Elaine drags him to the

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's not here, and they're like and Elaine's like, look,

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Speaker 2: he's an idiot, but I need that hat because it's

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Speaker 2: like four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: It's eight grand, eight grand in the episode. I'd like

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Speaker 4: to think mine is not that expensive.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know either. I mean, at

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Speaker 2: the time of purchase, it would have would would would

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Speaker 2: have been just after the wall came down. Gorbachev.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe it was cheating where they're trying to,

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Speaker 2: World, to the masses. Yeah, to the masses.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well it's done, Park is done. That's it. You're done, Okay, done,

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Speaker 2: I've had it. I think if you can get through

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Speaker 4: Like yesterday it was too much of a taste of joy,

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Speaker 4: like the fact that I was acting like forty degrees

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Speaker 2: That means I'm dull. Yeah, I mean it was such

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Speaker 2: down on you and feel some worm radiance. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: no doubt. Yeah, very very nice. We do have some news,

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Speaker 2: oh baby, potentially rumored reported. I'm so tired. It stinks

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Speaker 2: having to do this, Like, come.

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Speaker 4: On, in this case, they've always done it, we have

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Speaker 4: always has always done it this way. They will not announce.

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Speaker 4: There's the hat there it is. Mine's not that tall,

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Speaker 4: but spot on, spot on.

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Speaker 2: In the constanza.

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Speaker 4: Imagin when you're going through picking out some cilantro as

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Speaker 4: I was doing this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite a hat. Sir. Oh hey, I got

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Speaker 2: a little lemon smell.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 2: Have you been working the rosemary? You know what else

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Speaker 2: night late, I'm sartying to get some of it back.

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Speaker 4: Good guacam only, guacam only an avocado brought me back

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure that got me a little. So we're getting there.

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Speaker 2: We're still not where we need to be, but but

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Speaker 2: where we are progressing.

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Speaker 4: You're like, my tongue was for four months back, finally back.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm back.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm totally back. What a time, Yah, what

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Speaker 4: a time. Indeed, it was a long stretch. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 4: terrifying the Thursday before Week one.

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Speaker 2: There you go. According to multiple reports, Byron Storer will

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Speaker 2: be the next special team coach of your Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: So or who's been coaching the NFL since twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: started as an assistant special teams coach of the Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers, had stops in San Diego, Vegas, most recently

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Speaker 2: Green Bay as assistant special teams coach. Do you have

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Speaker 2: any connective tissue with coach Storer?

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Speaker 4: Not that I'm aware of, No, But I love the

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Speaker 4: fact that he's been around so long, that he's been

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Speaker 4: in San Diego and Oakland.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That is pretty good.

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Speaker 4: That's just crazy that since twenty ten. Really, I guess

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Speaker 4: it hasn't been that long. What they opened so far

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Speaker 4: in COVID, right.

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Speaker 2: That's wild. Yes, No, I do not.

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Speaker 4: I do not believe that I have any connective tissue

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Speaker 4: with him, which makes it that it's not a lot.

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Speaker 4: There aren't a lot of guys in the league. No

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Speaker 4: more like that forty one year old former NFL fullback

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Speaker 4: for the Buccaneers. Okay, yeah, so played in the league

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Speaker 4: and here that's the that is, that's the report there.

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Speaker 4: So he would have known. I don't know how he knows.

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Speaker 4: Let's see if Todd if they cross pass because he

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Speaker 4: was in Tampa in twenty ten, I guess as that

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Speaker 4: Agreed, And the shame of it is is that they

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Speaker 2: It is crazy to me? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But Jalen was the pick before.

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Speaker 2: I think the way that those guys played his rookies

435
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 2: caused for Chase to go five, Wattle.

436
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 5: To go six.

437
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 4: The next year there are four first yeah, of course,

438
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 4: because then it was like first holders, guys can come

439
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 4: right in.

440
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: And be dudes, because Jefferson was a dude.

441
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: Lamb was a dude, like right away, Yes, I'm trying

442
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: to see so just to looks kind of surrounding it.

443
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: In nineteen, the first receiver taken was Hollywood Brown twenty fifth.

444
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 4: That was the draft of for it, and then the

445
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 4: only other receiver taking the first round was Nikhil Harry

446
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 4: by the Patriots at thirty two. Yeah, and I think

447
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 4: Jefferson you know, and that was when Minnesota traded Diggs

448
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: and basically just replaced him with Jefferson. Then the next

449
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: year you got Chase five, Wattle six, Devonte Smith ten,

450
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 4: Kadarius Tony twentieth, Rashad Bateman twenty seventh, and then since

451
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 4: then now receivers go in the first round as leagues

452
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 4: of the teams have realized that's pretty important. Drake London,

453
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson, Alave, Jamison Williams all went in the top

454
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 4: twelve that year. Dotson from Penn State went sixteen, Traylon

455
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 4: Burns eighteenth. In twenty twenty two. What's wild about that

456
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 4: twenty twenty draft is of the first round, there are

457
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Speaker 4: four players who are no longer in the National Football League,

458
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: Henry Ruggs. Obviously, there was a tackle by the name

459
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 4: of Isaiah Wilson out of Georgia who went to Tennessee

460
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 4: twenty nine. A cornerback Jeff Gladney Minnesota from TCU went

461
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: thirty first, and then Jed Wills tenth overall.

462
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: Jeez, Jed, that's something just out out of the league,

463
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Yeah, just done, Yeah, like just

464
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: out totally out of the league. Wild A Melancholy, Melancholy.

465
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: First Friday for you, just before we got on air

466
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: here about ten minutes before James Vanderbeek passing at the

467
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: age of forty eight colon cancer stage three. Get checked,

468
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: Get all that stuff done, be preventative on all of

469
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: that stuff. He's our age. I mean, he's our age.

470
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: He is.

471
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 2: I was a nine O two one oh guy more

472
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: than Dawson's Creek, but I do I'm familiar with Dawson's

473
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: Creek and certainly saw episodes of it, but was more

474
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: of a nine O two one oh and then into

475
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: Melrose as I got older, but was certainly aware of it.

476
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: But from a from a college standpoint, it's varsity.

477
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 4: Blues, Varsity blues, mox is mox yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

478
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: And then with my kids, you know, we watch Dancing

479
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 4: with the Stars and he was on that, and I'm

480
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 4: pretty sure not that this was happening there, but they've

481
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 4: dealt with a lot of stuff. I think it was

482
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: back in twenty nineteen that he was that he was

483
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: on and you just got a real feel for him

484
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 4: as a as a person. He was great, like a great,

485
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: great guy, and it was very cool to get to

486
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: kind of know him through that as only it's tough man,

487
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 4: very very very very sad. And as you talk about,

488
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, every year we go to uh and and

489
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: we talk with doctor Technos and how important that screening

490
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: is and yeah, get your diet, your k because that

491
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 4: is one of those that if you're you're on that

492
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: it couesn't can't prevent everything, obviously, but it's important to

493
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: make sure you get screened and as a as a

494
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: guy out there, make sure you're yeah handling that that

495
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: and the prostate. And we saw that in the and

496
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: then the ads in the Super Bowl. Bruce Arians Yep,

497
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: for sure.

498
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think probably for most people will live

499
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: on kind of forever in Varsity blues Gift World. Absolutely.

500
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: I mean you are your kids from I mean maybe

501
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 4: oh yeah, and he's probably old enough for varsity bluest.

502
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: Varsity blues in middle school football, like sixth seventh graders,

503
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: they were in the varsity Blues. Yeah, so they're they're

504
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: very well aware of that. Yeah, that was and that

505
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: was also I could be wrong on this, but I'm

506
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: pretty sure that that was an MTV production Varsity Blues

507
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: because there were a lot of there was a lot

508
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: of music like that. The soundtrack for that was incredible, incredible,

509
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: like a hype soundtrack, the Foo Fighters song there Goes

510
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: Our Heroes. All that was in that.

511
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: Oh man, I want to say it's an MTV production,

512
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 4: so distributed by Paramount.

513
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, MTV Films.

514
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: MTV Films, yep, that's what I remember. Wes cainan Texas.

515
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember the little uh the Spaceman at the beginning.

516
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: Forty six percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

517
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Are that other mites?

518
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: Oh?

519
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: Come on, that's a classic. That's pure joy, pure joy.

520
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's pure joy, and it holds up. It's

521
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: still fun. It's I watched it. I mean it's when

522
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: it's on. If I see it, I'll watch for twenty minutes.

523
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: But like I watched it a couple of years ago,

524
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: and it's still fun. It holds up.

525
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: Well.

526
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: It's what's crazy about watching that now, though, is you

527
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: think of the.

528
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Three main guys in the movie.

529
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: Mm hmm all have passed Billy Bob in twenty sixteen,

530
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: Paul Walker and now Vanderbeek Ali is obviously doing well

531
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: on land Man at Amy Smart and uh, Scott Conn's

532
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: doing well. Then John Voight was the coach Coach Kilmer.

533
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: Coach Kilmer, Yeah, man Omer's next district championship. Yeah, very sad.

534
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's to start tough start to the to the year.

535
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: Tough start to the year, indeed, and for me to me,

536
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: I haven't told you this because we just got on

537
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: right before. But last night my aunt Elizabeth passed. It

538
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 4: was Zago's Zago's wife. Oh, I know she's had she

539
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: has brain cancer that she's been battling for a couple

540
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: of years. It wasn't like unexpected, but still.

541
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Speaker 2: Very very very sad. I'm sorry sorry to hear that.

542
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: My friend. Yeah, certainly, she give me with I'm sure Elizabeth,

543
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Zago needs a sandwich. There there, it is there,

544
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: it is there.

545
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: It is all right.

546
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 2: We will we can continue with our positional reviews. We

547
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: will get into the safety room coming up next. This

548
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: could be one to watch in the draft, the right

549
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: guy in the right slot. This could be a room

550
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: where perhaps the draft will be something that this room

551
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: could be amplified by. Before we get to that, though,

552
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,879
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Speaker 2: to continue. Our positional reviews were on the defensive side

566
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Speaker 2: of the ball, and we are in the safety room

567
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Speaker 2: for some of the details on that. We turn it

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Speaker 2: over now and to Doc.

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Speaker 3: Is he.

570
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a room that I would think is

571
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: going to have minor changes relative to some of the

572
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: other rooms, and certainly whenever we talk about a room

573
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: on the offensive side. Look at this grant, Doctor J.

574
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: The heater continues, what's he got going?

575
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: Look at this graphic he's got, He's got all the guys.

576
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: Here, and how about that only one uniform repeat, which

577
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: is impressive.

578
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: You have the white over the white over orange twice.

579
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: But then that we got the color rush, we got

580
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: the brown over white, we got the cardiac kids brown

581
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: over orange. There, so he's got everybody from the from

582
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: the safety room. Grant Helpt obviously stud Starter moved him

583
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: down near the box three hundred and ninety one snaps

584
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: in the this year, can also play obviously deeper, and

585
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 4: they use him as a big slot, so that's also

586
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: close to the line scrimage. If you kind of look

587
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: at his distribution this year, basically six hundred and sixty

588
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: two of his snaps were in the box and he

589
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: played two twenty seven deep in the post as a

590
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: free safety or in some of our two safety looks.

591
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: And then alongside him was Rocket Hickman, who was the

592
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: opposite seven hundred and six snaps played at free safety,

593
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: but he could come down in the box and play

594
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: in the in the slot corner as well. Hickman one

595
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: hundred and three tackles this year career high two interceptions,

596
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: tied for the team lead. Seven passes defense. Delpit had

597
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: eighty nine tackles, three sacks, four tackles for a loss,

598
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: two forced fumbles, was a special teams alternate for the

599
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl this year, and he does it all. So

600
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: it's rare that you have your guys that are, you know,

601
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: some of your top line guys also playing on special

602
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: teams and it's kind of scary thing with that, you know,

603
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: would be like even without him, given how it struggled

604
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: even with him last year. But Ronnie Hickman is a

605
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: restricted free agent. So that means when you draft somebody

606
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: who actually don't draft them, when you sign an undrafted

607
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: free agent, their contracts are not four years. Those contracts

608
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: are three years, and then at the end of that

609
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: they are a restricted free agent. And so what that

610
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: means is you have the right to match anybody anybody's offer,

611
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 4: and you can put a tender on your restricted free agents.

612
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: So you can put a tender on it that says

613
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: or putting a third round tender on Ronnie Hickman. Let's

614
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: just say that comes with a certain guaranteed salary for

615
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: Ronnie Hickman. And should somebody want to match that or

616
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: beat that and sign him away from you, you get

617
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: a third round pick. They have to give you a

618
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: third round pick, so he'll have they'll give him some

619
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 4: type of tender. Sometimes it's just a round that they

620
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 4: were drafted. In this case, it would be nothing as

621
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Speaker 4: an undrafted free agent. But they will be able to

622
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: match anything that comes in for Ronnie Hickman, and my

623
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: guess is they will keep him here. I know he

624
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: wants to stay here, and so I think those will

625
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: be your starting safeties again. The questions really now from

626
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 4: a depth standpoint, Rayshon Jenkins, I thought came in and

627
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: played very well in that role as the third safety

628
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: last year. Do they want to bring him back and

629
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: at what price? And then the guy that they really

630
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: liked was Donovan McMillan, And I think that if you're

631
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: looking for somebody who could make a big jump and

632
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: maybe kind of jump into that third safety role, I

633
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: think that it could be Donovan McMillan. Didn't play a

634
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: ton of defense obviously in his rookie season, mostly on

635
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: special teams.

636
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Did have a sack.

637
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: Believe it or not, Donovan McMillan had a sack. And

638
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: then there's Chris Edmonds, who they really liked, but it

639
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: didn't really seem to manifest itself. Was much more a

640
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: special teams player this year. But those are the two

641
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: guys in house that would have a shot. And I

642
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: know they really liked don McMillan, who was I think

643
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: back to back hunter plus tackle seasons at the University

644
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 4: of Pittsburgh, was a captain there. Coach Bonda liked him,

645
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: had recruited him there previously, or maybe recruit him to

646
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: the U. But he ends up going to pitt so

647
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: a lot of familiar that they like him a lot.

648
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be surprised if if Delpit, Hickman, and

649
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: McMillan are for sure back, and then you could see,

650
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Speaker 4: you know, maybe Ray Shawan's back, maybe Chris Edmunds continues

651
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Speaker 4: to improve. They're very excited about him the offseason last

652
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Speaker 4: year for his ability to move at his size. But

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Speaker 4: you're right, this could be a draft year, yes, is

654
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: there could be a draft pick here, or it could

655
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: be like another veteran that they have, either Rashon Jenkins

656
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Speaker 4: or another veteran that they like in that kind of

657
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: third safety role. Well there, Millon's the guy though right

658
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Speaker 4: now that if I was saying, okay, who would they

659
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Speaker 4: hope would develop and take a step forward. I think

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Speaker 4: Donovan McMillan would be the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. So it could happen in

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Speaker 2: the draft, could happen in free agency. You know, when

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: you're when you're when Andrew Berry in the front office

664
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Speaker 2: goes to build this there's we know that there's going

665
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Speaker 2: to be a massive influx of talent on the offensive

666
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: side because just numbers wise, it's a dozen type people

667
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Speaker 2: are gonna have to be on the offensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball. New faces on that side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: and so what you can have as we're going through

670
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: these guys, just think of it on the defensive side.

671
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Speaker 2: If you don't have to add to a room, or

672
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Speaker 2: if you have things you like in a room, one

673
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Speaker 2: less thing good. Just just think of it that way.

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Speaker 2: Just think of it as one less thing that we're

675
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: going to have to contend with when it comes to

676
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: the roster building part of it, because that could get

677
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: that's where it could get a little hairy because you

678
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: only have so many in and off season the free agency,

679
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: trade and draft, and so these rooms that are pretty

680
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: close to good to go. The more those the better.

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Speaker 2: On the defensive side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that'll be you know, the interesting

683
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Speaker 4: part is at Young, Gabriel or Gibbe as you look

684
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: up there, can you give me on the defensive side,

685
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: defensive ends who are free agents? Just Cam Thomas okay,

686
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Speaker 4: So that would be you could bring him back cheaply

687
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: or you developed somebody in that spot. Defensive tackle Shelby yep, yep.

688
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Speaker 4: And I know Shelby comes on I R and he'll be,

689
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: he'll be, he'll be back and ready for the season,

690
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: and he signed to year deal. Linebackers, the big one

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00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: would be Devin Bush.

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Speaker 5: Yep, Devin Bush, Jerome Baker.

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00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: Mood, but he's a restricted, He's an undrafted guy, similar

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Speaker 4: to Ronnie Okay, Winston Reid, Winston Reid is no exclusive rights,

695
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: exclusive rights okay, Corners, m j Emerson of just the notables.

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00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 5: And then Rass, Sam Webb, tre Avery and.

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00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Then Ray Sean So not a whole lot there.

698
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: What's good?

699
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: I think.

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00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: You know Shelby, I know wants to come back, and

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00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: I think that they would be very happy to have

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00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: Shelby come back. Devin Bush is really going to be

703
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 4: the wild card in terms of in house defensive spending.

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00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: And the question is does his salary get so high

705
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: that let's just use ten million as a number that

706
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: Devin Bush can be back for ten million, or that

707
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: could be three three million dollar players at you know,

708
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: to keep mj Emerson, to keep Shelby Harris, and to

709
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: bring in a safety right and I think those are

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00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: going to be the calculations they have to make on

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00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 4: that side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: So all right, question for you then, if you're going

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 5: to improve the defense, yep, are you addressing corner first

714
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 5: or safety first?

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Speaker 4: I think that if you were to look at like

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00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: a starting lineup perspective right now and say, what's the

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00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: one thing that could maybe elevate us up a little

718
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: bit more? Now to me, if you keep mj Emerson

719
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: and Tyson Campbell is willing to play some in the slot,

720
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: and that Denzel is willing to kick in against certain

721
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 4: people at times, I think that that's the most important

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00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: thing to keep. But otherwise, if you know, for whatever

723
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Speaker 4: reason they cannot reach an agreement with m j Emerson

724
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: or it just who knows, then I think getting a

725
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: slot corner would be the biggest immediate impact.

726
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: Like if you get a top.

727
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: Level guy, and that's there's no disrespect to Miles Harden

728
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 4: who played well, but I think that if you could

729
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 4: get somebody else that's on the level of the other

730
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 4: guys that could be that would be the biggest one.

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Speaker 4: Safety wise, we do like to play a lot of

732
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: three safety. We play that what we call that was

733
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: under Jim Schwartz play that was like a big dime

734
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 4: where you had three corners and three safeties. So yeah,

735
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 4: that third safety is important. But if they really like

736
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: Donovan McMillan and think that he can he can handle

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00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: that role, then that could be a cheaper solution. I

738
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Speaker 4: still think if you were talking from you know, we're

739
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: going a base defense or even a nickel defense is

740
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: called the nickel being your.

741
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: Base, which it really is.

742
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Speaker 4: I think the biggest question mark on the entire defense

743
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: would be your will linebacker because of of Devon's uncertainty.

744
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: And it would be your slot corner.

745
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: I think from your nickel base, those are your two

746
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 4: biggest question mark spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and potentially scene is go ahead. I would

748
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 2: just say potentially that the corner slot corner thing could

749
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: get solved in. I mean, like that's a nice solution

750
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: like the MJ you know, I love that solution to that.

751
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, the the will linebackers a little that's a

752
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: little If I was.

753
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: The GM, MJM or it'd be done, already be done.

754
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: I'd love that guy.

755
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, then that would be that solution would be happening.

756
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: So what's Ronnie Hickman going to command from a money standpoint?

757
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: So because he is a restricted free agent in in

758
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: the where he is, you know, I'm going to read

759
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: the exact rules to you. But that is set that

760
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: sally is actually set. You extend a qualifying off. So

761
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: so a player becomes a restricted for eagen after completing

762
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: three accrued seasons and having their contract expire, which is

763
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 4: the case there, he is able to negotiate with other teams.

764
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Speaker 4: The original team retains first right of refusal to match

765
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: any offer and keep them. If the original team does

766
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: not match, they may receive draft pick compensation. So the

767
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: original team must extend a qualifying offer or tender to

768
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: have first right of refusal. So what that means is

769
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: you are able to, as I said, set kind of

770
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: the rule or the level that you wanted to do it. So, actually,

771
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: here are the tenders. There's first round tender, which is

772
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: a one year contract. This is for the twenty five seasons.

773
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: So these numbers will change, but this is from last year.

774
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: So you can put a first round tender on him

775
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 4: that is a one year contract guaranteed to be worth

776
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: seven point five million dollars or one hundred and ten

777
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: percent of the player's prior year base salary, in this

778
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 4: case seven point four to five because he was playing

779
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: on that rookie deal. Second year round tender, which is

780
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: a one year contract for five point four million, the

781
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: draft choice compensation. If if somebody signs him to that,

782
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: you get a second round pick back. The other one

783
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: you get a first round pick back, which is crazy

784
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 4: and it's unless it's received two days or later prior

785
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: to the draft. Draft compensation for each center is due

786
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 4: in the same league year as the offer sheet is signed.

787
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 4: Somebody have to give you their first round pick this

788
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: year or their second round pick this year. Then you

789
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: can have an original round tender, which is a one

790
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: year contract worth a greater of three point four million

791
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 4: or one hundred and ten percent again three point four million.

792
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 4: Draft choice compensation. We have picking the round the player

793
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: was originally drafted. In the case of an unrestrict undrafted

794
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: free agent, there is no draft compensation, but you're saying

795
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: you're guaranteed three point four million right of first refusal.

796
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: Tender is a one year contract three point two million,

797
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: and then you can match any offer sheet signed with

798
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: another team. But there's no draft compensation to this tender.

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00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Well done, there you go, Well done for you. All right,

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00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: there you go. There's your safety positional review. A Steeler's

801
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: legend chooses violence on another Steeler.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 2: for more. All right, so this is on Cam Hayward's podcast.

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00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: Do I have that right? This is Joey Porter Joey

816
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: Porter Senior. He was a guest on Cam Hayward's podcast.

817
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: Among the topics of discussion was his former teammate and

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00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: former Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Let's have a listen.

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Speaker 6: He broke the brotherhood. Then seven definitely broke the brotherhood because.

820
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: Like, that's the one I don't understand the seven dude

821
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: that did that.

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00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 6: We don't talk about it now, is crazy, Like anybody

823
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 6: should talk. He should never grab a microphone and really talk.

824
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 6: Still a business because if we talk and Stiller business.

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00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 6: His ass is file of all foul Like this that

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00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 6: he's dead is foule of all foule. He's not a

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Speaker 6: good teammate. Won a super Bowl, Woodie, but the person

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Speaker 6: he's just not a good teammate. Like he knows that.

829
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 6: Anybody in the Steller building knows that. But we protected

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00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 6: he because I've only won one super Bowl and that

831
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 6: was my quarterback. So do I love my quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: But is he a good person? No?

834
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: It's an attention getter, is it though? Yeah? Not really.

835
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: I mean I think it's like, you know, it's coming

836
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: to know have an idea of that. I thought maybe

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00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: if he was a little bit more specific. It would

838
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: be more of an attention getter, but it's still it's

839
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: something at this time of the year. It's no, no, no,

840
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 4: it's not nothing.

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00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no. What I mean by it is I

842
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: think most people know that Ben is that or was that.

843
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what he I don't know him at all,

844
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: But there was a reputation that he had while he

845
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: was there that he was not a great teammate. Correct,

846
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: And it's that old, you know, it's that classic. Then

847
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: the diagram you use of like pain in the neck

848
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: versus talent, yep, and his talent always superseded the pain

849
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: in the neck until it didn't. And right, you know,

850
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: it's seemed like heated that. You know, there were some

851
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: attempts later on in his career to kind of try

852
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: to write the ship, but that would have been long

853
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: after Joey had done playing with him at that point, right,

854
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: you know, Joey would have been part of the early

855
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: part of his career, right, I believe let's see when

856
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: they would have crossed paths. But it's it's still pretty strong,

857
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: it's very strong. So he's Joey's our age too, So

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00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: he's done, he's done with the Steelers by Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: he's early. His final year in Pittsburgh was twenty two

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00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: thousand and five. Interesting, yeah, so he's really early two

861
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: thousand and six, he's really early Roethelsberger like first few years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is if you it's funny. And I remember

863
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: those that that could show America's game or where they

864
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: would go through the Super Bowl team and like Betty's

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00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: talking about how much he loved young Ben Roethlisberger m

866
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: H and how he was such a good guy and

867
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: how he's like, I'm gonna get this one from We're

868
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna win this for you. We're gonna win

869
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: and obviously delivered on that promise.

870
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Interesting.

871
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 5: You know, you can the number of players that have

872
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 5: actually stood up former players and agreed with Joey Porter

873
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: Senior mm HM is pretty impressive.

874
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me though, because of what we've all

875
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: heard in regard to Ben, and it seems I mean,

876
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Joey's sun plays for them now and he stayed in

877
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and his kid played at Penn State. You know,

878
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: like he's kind of stealer through and through, I would think,

879
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: And so you know, my hunch is, if you're doing

880
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: a popularity contest, Ben probably's not there. Has Pittsburgh done

881
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: anything post with Ben, like retiring jerseys or anything. They

882
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: don't have many retired jerseys. I know that. I don't

883
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: know the answer.

884
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: No, the man says no.

885
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Gabriel says no, like, no ring of honor, none of that.

886
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 5: No, not yet, because when was his last game was?

887
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: Wasn't it us?

888
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: No? You low? It was a playoff loss to Kansas City.

889
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 5: His last home game was against US on Monday night?

890
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: Oh god, freeze, you guys aware of this.

891
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 5: Awful, awful day.

892
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Do you know who's in the Hall of Hall of

893
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Honor class at twenty twenty five for the Steelers? Who?

894
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Joey Porter, Marcus Pouncy, Ben Roethlisberger. Perfect, that's fun.

895
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 5: I like that.

896
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: Did they do that and we missed it? Maybe it

897
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: already happened? It says it's twenty Gabriel, how did you

898
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: miss this?

899
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 5: That's right? He said, because I work here.

900
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: That's right, right answer, that's a good answer.

901
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 5: Welcome back.

902
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's very pointed, and it's they usually

903
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: keep things under wraps over there, so it is it's

904
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: rare to heat see someone you know outspoken like that

905
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: on it. Do you guys know what happened thirty six

906
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: years ago today, thirty sixty years ago today?

907
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: I know that there was twenty years ago, I think,

908
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 4: or fifteen years ago yesterday when Friday was dropped by

909
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: Rebecca Black, which was of a national holiday.

910
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 5: True, I did read similar. Mad Fontana reminded us of that. Yeah,

911
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: thirty seven years ago was Major League reporting for spring training.

912
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 5: That was yesterday, I believe, right, yes, yeah, I already

913
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: know this because we were listening to another program that

914
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 5: you do this morning.

915
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Buster Douglas, this is the Buster.

916
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Mike Tyson. Yep in Japan?

917
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: Right?

918
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Is that where it was? It was in Tokyo. It's funny.

919
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: It's one of those ones that I think it's a

920
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: little bit like the Red Ride eighty eight play and

921
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: like the Phil Dawson play that everybody claims that they

922
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: were there and they saw it, and the reality is

923
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: that it was on close circuit television. It happened in

924
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: the middle of the night because it was in Tokyo,

925
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: So unless you went to a bar in the middle

926
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: of the night to watch it, you didn't see it live.

927
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: You saw the highlights, and in those days, you couldn't

928
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 2: even really see the highlights. It was stills, remember, because

929
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: it was like the next week HBO would run it

930
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: on tape delay, like a week later and then you

931
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: could watch it. But like there was no you weren't

932
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: watching it live. And so I mean almost nobody saw

933
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: it live because why would you, like it's there was

934
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: no reason Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson was forty to one,

935
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: there was no chance that he was going to lose.

936
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: And so the more that that story is retold, the

937
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: more people say, oh, I remember watching that. No, I

938
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: don't think you do. I don't think you watched it

939
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: at all.

940
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 5: I remember getting all those pay per views though, Yeah,

941
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 5: you'd watched the Tyson I mean you had to watch

942
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: like the three or four undercards because the Tyson fight

943
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 5: was done in less than sixty seconds normally. Yes, yes,

944
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 5: So you didn't think anything of it. You're like, it's

945
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 5: just some exhibition overseas.

946
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: And some of them were truly closed circuit, like they

947
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: were at bars. Yeah, like you would have to go

948
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: to a bar who would get the fight and watch

949
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: it because it wasn't like you could just on demand

950
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: it on your cable, like it wasn't even for some

951
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: of that stuff, it wasn't even possible. I'll tell you

952
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: the most amazing thing that happened after that. There's been

953
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: several books about it, but Buster's obviously a Columbus guy,

954
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: got to know him through the years. One of the

955
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: things that's pretty remarkable is what happened after that, because

956
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: he went from I mean nothing to the most powerful

957
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: man in boxing like that, and Don King basically moved

958
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: to Columbus to promote Buster and to get in the

959
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: holy Field fight, because that's the one everyone wanted, was

960
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: the holy Field fight, because now Tyson had been vanquished

961
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: and Tyson holy Field were on a collision course. Everybody

962
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: wanted to see that fight. And then it couldn't happen

963
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: because Buster beat him, and so that fight didn't happen

964
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: until after Mike got out of prison, like six years later,

965
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: five years later, before that fight ever finally happened. And

966
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: then it was the second one where he bit holy

967
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: Field's ear, the second one of those fights. But that

968
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: fight was next, and Buster Douglas did what he did.

969
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: And it's still Lennox Lewis and I remembered seeing the

970
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: one where he bit the ear live Rode. I remember

971
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: that too for that Yeah, I remember that one by

972
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 4: the way, when he when Buster Douglas won that fight,

973
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: as you said, it delayed a lot of other things.

974
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: It also led to a video game because Mike Tyson's

975
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: punch out. They made James Buster Douglas Knockout for Sega,

976
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 4: which I had, which was actually a very fun game.

977
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: But Buster Douglas had He.

978
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: Had a pretty good moment in the sun and like

979
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: in that game was it was out there kind of

980
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 4: like right after his win. It was supposed to be

981
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: called Final Blowboxing, but then when he won, they put

982
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: through his name on it and it became Buster Douglas Boxing.

983
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: So they had this like game ready to go, and

984
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: then as soon as he won they called it Buster Douglas.

985
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: So it's a great point out of you. There was

986
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: eight months in between. So he knocks out Mike Tyson

987
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: and Tokyo on this day thirty six years ago, and

988
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: then it was eight months before he fought Holyfield.

989
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 5: The Banko Tour was not yet.

990
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: No no no no, no no no. He was given

991
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: you know, he went from like and he was always

992
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: a good puncher and he had a he had a

993
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: heavy he had heavy hands, all that stuff. But like

994
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: he went from being like okay, you're on the card

995
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: in Tokyo to heavyweight Champion of the World and he

996
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: had eight months basically as king of the World. Yeah,

997
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: and then Holyfield really put it on him and then

998
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: that was it. That was it. Yeah, yeah, that was it.

999
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 5: He was one of those ones early on sports on

1000
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 5: the cover of s I. That was he on the

1001
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 5: cover of s I on a Harley or a motorcycle.

1002
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 5: Why remembered that? Yeah?

1003
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: I think that was a They did a where are

1004
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: they now thing with him, I think didn't they on

1005
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: one of the anniversaries. Yeah, I mean he was he

1006
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: was s I.

1007
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: He was on that said Rocky Lives and that's got

1008
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 4: him with the belt and a red, white and blue

1009
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 4: background and they have the ko the one where Tyson's

1010
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: going down in his mouth pieces coming out.

1011
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Tyson didn't have Cornerman.

1012
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: Before he lost thirty seven and zero.

1013
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1014
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, they thought it was gonna be like when he

1015
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: fought like McNeely, right.

1016
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: The Yeah, it came later, but yeah, like well made

1017
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like this is Michael Spinx in a minute. Yeah,

1018
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: and Spinx was a study. He beat him in a

1019
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: minute like Trevor Berberck in a minute like there was

1020
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: nobody stood in there with him, and Buster did and

1021
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: the rest was history. It's one of the greatest upsets

1022
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: in the history of sports.

1023
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

1024
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: By the time, all of a sudden, done, all right,

1025
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,319
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1026
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1037
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: drafts here. Look, there's a lot of group think on

1038
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: these are all of these, with the exception of one,

1039
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: are tackle slash receiver. There is one that is tackle tackle.

1040
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 2: There is one that is tackle quarter gross. I'm with you,

1041
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: So this is which.

1042
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: One is gross?

1043
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: Tackle tackle?

1044
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: Give me a weapon?

1045
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you can't go tackle tackle not the real world, man.

1046
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: No, come on, come on, giveba So that was the

1047
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 4: Vikings Wire.

1048
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 5: They're trying to cover up the fact they don't have anybody.

1049
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: The one that I that is.

1050
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: How does Vikings wire make it on?

1051
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 2: Here?

1052
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 4: We have NFL dot Com, NFL Network, NFL dot Com,

1053
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: Vikings Wire.

1054
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 5: G Man, being a good producer, knew that that would

1055
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 5: be the one that Nathan would lose his mind on

1056
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: it at four oh six, We don't.

1057
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: The only one to me that is that I had.

1058
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 5: You did a fantastic job.

1059
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna do group think on all this stuff,

1060
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: like it's all gonna be the same you'd be. It's

1061
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: gonna be either wide receiver tackle at six and then

1062
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: opposite the other one at twenty four. So the only

1063
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: one that's a little interesting to me on this because

1064
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: until we get to the combine and then you have

1065
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: more group think on that. Because remember at this time

1066
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: a year ago, every mock draft had Ward Shadore one two.

1067
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 5: Yep.

1068
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: Then we got to the Combine and it was like, oh,

1069
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: is not going to these It's going to be somewhere else,

1070
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: Like you didn't think it'd be five.

1071
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: But to be fair, though, we had people the combine

1072
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: that were telling us that that the Giants were obsessed

1073
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: with Shador and we're going to trade up to one

1074
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: for Shadoor.

1075
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, So that's that was the group thing

1076
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: getting into the combine last year. So take this all

1077
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: with the grain of salt. The one that is interesting

1078
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: to me is the Yahoo one that has us taking

1079
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson the quarterback out of Alabama at twenty four,

1080
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: just because I've never seen us mocked a quarterback at

1081
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1082
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1083
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't love that one.

1084
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: I don't love that one either, and it's nothing even

1085
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: against Ty Simpson. I think that we've got our quarterback room.

1086
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 4: To me, if you're adding somebody into that room, you're

1087
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 4: adding a veteran that you think can come in and

1088
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: be that bridge or that guy or whatever the case

1089
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: may be.

1090
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at our room.

1091
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: You've got two pro bowlers in there, You've got Shador,

1092
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: who if you say, okay, let's see what it looks

1093
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 4: like for seventeen weeks. Let's see what it looks like

1094
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: when he gets every rep all off season, and I

1095
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: could get behind that. You've got Dashaun who for a while,

1096
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 4: for a period of time, as Doctor J likes say,

1097
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Now

1098
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: it's been some time ago, that was last in twenty twenty,

1099
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: but he's worked hard to get back, so he's going

1100
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 4: to be, I would imagine in the mix, at least

1101
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: on some level. Then you've got Dylan Gaberl, who I

1102
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: think was always drafted to be a quality backup, and

1103
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: you kind of look at his numbers. He's steward it

1104
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 4: to you. And if your defense gets a stop in London,

1105
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: stops one armed Carson Wentz from going eighty yards, he

1106
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 4: wins that game. The Jets don't have back to back

1107
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 4: return touchdowns. He wins that game. And he had a

1108
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: winning record as a starter, so I think he can

1109
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: kind of he's there. I don't know that he's necessarily

1110
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 4: in the starting competition, but to me, it's those two

1111
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: and then you're looking for if you're bringing somebody in Now,

1112
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 4: I think I don't see a world in which we

1113
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: are able to play in the Malik Willis Waters. I

1114
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: just think he's gonna end up being too expensive. You know,

1115
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's a world in which Kyler

1116
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: is somebody that is intriguing to this organization. And I'm

1117
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: just going off of you know, from talking to Todd,

1118
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: is that mobile quarterbacks and quarterbacks who can play off schedule,

1119
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 4: and quarterbacks who kind of have second play abilities what

1120
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 4: he calls it when the original play you call does

1121
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 4: not work or breaks down or is pressured out, that

1122
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 4: they can make plays in the second play. And how

1123
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: much an advantage it is when you have somebody who

1124
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: has that kind of mobility when you get near the

1125
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: goal line. The best red zone teams always have quarterbacks

1126
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: that can utilize their legs, that can make the run

1127
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 4: game eleven on eleven in those compressed wins though and

1128
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: compressed you know areas. So I don't really know that

1129
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 4: just to me, that doesn't that feels more like if

1130
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: and correct.

1131
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: Me if I'm wrong.

1132
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: But my understanding of him is he's much more of

1133
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: a Cousins than he is a guy with like a

1134
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: hose Tyson.

1135
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: You're talking about Simpson, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he's like,

1136
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably he doesn't have the arm, talent

1137
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: or the physicality of Mendoza. But that's like the type

1138
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: of the player, you know. I mean he's more of a.

1139
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 4: And Mendoza has been compared to like a Kirk Cousins. Yes, yeah, yeah,

1140
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: so this would be yeah, I don't see that light.

1141
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: This is not that's not the scheme we're running anymore.

1142
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 4: That's yes, you need people who can process. You can

1143
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: need people who can identify process, deliver the football on

1144
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: time inaccurately, of course, but you need people who can

1145
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: make plays out of structure. Now, we saw last year

1146
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: Shador make plenty of plays out of structure. We saw

1147
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: him be able to do that at a high level.

1148
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: We saw Deshaun Watson do that obviously earlier in his

1149
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 4: creon even at times you know here with us, So

1150
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: that one, that one would really surprise me. It is

1151
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 4: the most important position in all sports, though, and if

1152
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 4: you think that he is that that if that's what

1153
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: they you know, Todd and ab and everybody come together

1154
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 4: like we gotta have ty Simpson, maybe got to have

1155
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: ty Simpson.

1156
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: But they would surprise me. I think that.

1157
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: I think the other ones that have receiver receiver then

1158
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: tackle to me, I like I like that. I like

1159
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: that flow a little bit because what's interesting is you've

1160
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: got some drafts where we take Bucky Brooks, for example,

1161
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: has us take Caleb Lomu of Utah sixth overall, and

1162
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: then you've got Cynthia Friedland, Lance Zeroline who knows quite

1163
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: a thing or two about offensive line play, Chad Reuter

1164
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: and they all have oh and even this Vikings Wire guy.

1165
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: They all have Lomu going twenty four. Right, you know

1166
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: nobody's got Carnel Tate or Mackay Lemon or Jordan Tyson

1167
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: going twenty four.

1168
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: No, they're all gone by then. So to me.

1169
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 4: Again, listen, we know we know what the Bishop Zegura

1170
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: Brown's drafts would look like.

1171
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little.

1172
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: There'll be a lot more wide receivers taken than what

1173
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 4: we've done in early rounds. And the reality of the

1174
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 4: situation is, since this organization came back in the year

1175
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine, we've only drafted two receivers in the

1176
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: first round. Full stop Brayln Edwards third overall, who had

1177
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: a year what he let it, sixteen touchdowns I think

1178
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 4: led the league and Corey Coleman.

1179
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: That's it.

1180
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: And you saw the trends. Even what year team twenty sixteen?

1181
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: I think sixteen, Yeah, the year the.

1182
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: Dead wide receiver wasn't a primary.

1183
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: That was the year that we were going to take

1184
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 4: Jared Goff. Second, the Titans held the first pick in

1185
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 4: the draft. They had drafted Mariota the year before, so

1186
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 4: they weren't going to take a quarterback. We were all

1187
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: in on Jared Goff, not in on Carson Wentz obviously,

1188
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 4: but all in on Jared Goff. And then the Rams

1189
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: trade up, they get one, they end up taking Goff.

1190
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: The Titans end up at eight. I want it are

1191
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: the we trade out to get to with Philly, to

1192
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: go to eight, Philly takes Carson Wentz. We then trade

1193
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: from eight, I want to say, to fifteen. Was Colon

1194
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: fifteen or.

1195
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: Sixteen, somewhere in their teens.

1196
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 4: Somewhere in that range. We trade with the Titans. There

1197
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: we get Coleman. The Titans take at eight Jack Conklin.

1198
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, So.

1199
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: But those are the only two receivers that the Cleveland

1200
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 4: Browns have taken in the first round since the year

1201
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine. Right, and this is a it's

1202
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: a weapons lee now, Jerry Judy was a first round pick.

1203
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 4: Odell Beckham was a first round pick. We have had

1204
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: first round receivers on our football team. Bershot Parriman was

1205
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 4: a first round pick, sure.

1206
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: But that that requires assets to acquire.

1207
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: Well, we gave up a first round pick to get

1208
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: Odell Beckham right, of course, right and pay the high

1209
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: salary correct because he was not a draft pick at

1210
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 4: that time. Yeah, no, we need to now the tray

1211
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 4: Amary Cooper was a first round pick. Who's been here.

1212
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: So we've had first round receiver talent on our team,

1213
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 4: you know, over the last six years, relatively consistently, but

1214
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: we haven't had that home grown stud that you get

1215
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 4: four years of at well below market value.

1216
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 5: Danny Shelton was twenty fifteen.

1217
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: Shell was went no. Colory Coleman was twenty sixteen. I

1218
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 4: know that, but was he picked fifteen or pick sixteen?

1219
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: He was? He was pick fifteen, pick fifteen?

1220
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 4: Taylor twenty fifteen was so twenty fourteen is Johnny was

1221
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: justin Gilbert and Johnny yes, twenty fifteen is Danny Shelton

1222
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 4: and cam Irving, oh I remember, and then twenty sixteen

1223
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 4: is Corey Coleman.

1224
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 5: Then we took three other wideouts in that draft, in

1225
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 5: which one twenty sixteen.

1226
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 4: It's probably off the top of my head, I'm gonna

1227
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 4: guess Ricardo Lewis, that's Hollywood Higgins and Jordan.

1228
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 5: Peyton you bet you. Yeah, that worked out.

1229
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: And then in seventeen we have three ones from all

1230
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: the trades that we make yep, and we take Miles yep.

1231
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: We trade out of where we could have potentially taken

1232
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, yes, and we take Jabrill Peppers yeah, and

1233
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 4: David Nijoko. And then in eighteen we have two first

1234
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 4: and we take Baker and off the stage and Denzel

1235
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 4: Ward boot off the stage in the in the Muni

1236
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 4: lot we're having a draft party. Yeah, Denzel Ward, Denzel Ward. Oh,

1237
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 4: you gotta drive buck Eyes. Everybody see.

1238
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't want Denny buck Eyes. Denzel Ward boot

1239
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: off the stage because Bradley Chubb.

1240
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 5: Yeah. Ubb, that's right, you just tried to off the stage.

1241
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 5: I was dying laughing.

1242
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: Why would you need Bradley Chubb. You just drafted Miles.

1243
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 5: That's right.

1244
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, boot off stage.

1245
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: But if you think about that run that I just

1246
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: laid out there, you had two ones in fourteen, two

1247
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: ones in fifteen, a one in sixteen, three and seventeen

1248
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: and two and eighteen, so that is I'm not a

1249
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 4: math major, but fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, that's an

1250
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: average of two that you had ten first round picks

1251
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 4: in those five drafts and we still could.

1252
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: Not get it together.

1253
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: Well all, and Nick Chubb was an early second in eighteen.

1254
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 5: That's right, right, And what was uh, Betonio in fifteen?

1255
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 4: Buttonio is early round pick in fourteen, okay, and early

1256
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: one he was. And then we had an Atra Terrence

1257
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 4: West Kirkoh Kirkoh was in that draft, not Alan Robinson though, folks.

1258
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 4: Somebody was talking about that guy for a little while.

1259
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 4: I don't know who. And then we got Crow as

1260
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: an undrafted in that one. Pierre Decier was undrafted in

1261
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: that one.

1262
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 5: That's right.

1263
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know your two first round picks in

1264
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: that one, neither of them were in the league the

1265
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: league for their rookie contract, did not finish their four

1266
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 4: years in the National Football League.

1267
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: Miles was probably the first one to get a second contract,

1268
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: right in a long time.

1269
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 4: Well, but Tonio from a first round pick, Joe Hayden

1270
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: and then probably yeah, probably Miles. Yeah, because I don't.

1271
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: Danny Shelton did not, camer Irving did not, neither of

1272
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: the guys in uh and then fifteen Cory Coleman did

1273
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 4: not the Djoku and Miles because Jabrill was Jabrill was

1274
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: in the Odell trade.

1275
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

1276
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: It was originally two trades. If I'm not mistaken, it

1277
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: was a one Jabrill. It ended up being a Jabril

1278
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 4: a one and Zeitler for Odell and Olivier Vernon.

1279
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 5: Yes, Olivia Vera, Yeah, you're.

1280
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 4: But that's just it. Like you would talk about acquiring assets,

1281
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 4: and acquiring assets are it's great, but they have to

1282
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 4: become people. And so what you hope is like, for example,

1283
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: in this trade that we did this year, you know,

1284
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 4: you look at you could say, okay, we could have

1285
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 4: gone different ways. But if Mason Graham becomes what they

1286
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: believe that he becomes. And you saw in the Super

1287
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 4: Bowl two defenses that were led by studs in the

1288
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: middle of their defenses, both the Patriots and the Seahawks,

1289
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: and you got, you know, Malie Collins and Mason Graham.

1290
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: Mike call, Mike Hall needs to come along. Who was

1291
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 4: the second round pick? But you know you picked up Judkins,

1292
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 4: who I think all indications are that he is going

1293
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: to be very much a plus starter at his position

1294
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 4: in this league. And then now you've got to hit

1295
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 4: on that extra one that you got this year.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you if you want to go to

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Speaker 5: the four eighty bridge. Since two thousand and seven, the

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Speaker 5: Browns first round picks Hoff haf Brady Quinn, Brady Quinn.

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Speaker 5: Weren't you and I together for that draft? At some

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: random bar? I was doing something for kNs. Yeah, Harpo's

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Speaker 5: in the brook Gade shopping center. Yeah, eighteen years ago. Boys, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's right. Someone got married there that day. Wow, it

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Speaker 5: was a long day.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: The two thousand and eight the twenty second pick was

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Speaker 5: traded to Dallas. They used that on Felix Jones.

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 4: Jerry loved that he was from Arkansas. Then he have

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: McFadden and and Felix Jones.

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: We have McFadden was originally drafted by the Raiders but

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Speaker 2: then created up there. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Two thousand and nine, Alex.

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Speaker 2: Mack, excellent pick, great.

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Speaker 5: Player twenty ten Joe Hayden.

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Speaker 4: And that would have been the one he so Alex

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01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 4: Mack Andhayden both got second contracts.

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Speaker 5: After that, our friend Phil Taylor in twenty eleven. In

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 5: twenty twelve it was Trent Richardson and Brandon Whedon.

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Speaker 4: But twenty eleven is the one that there's obviously we

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 4: love Phil. But the controversy was we could have stayed

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: pat and drafted Julio Jones.

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01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: Correct or did Julio Jones go right before us?

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 4: That name comes up too much for that to have

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01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: been the case that we could have drafted Julio Jones

1324
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: is what eeverybody says.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, it was Aj Green who came up right before.

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Speaker 5: Uh who got picked right before Julio? Huh no, no, no,

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01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 5: not that year.

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01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: But like we were, those guys are in the same draft,

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: the same age, AJ and Julio.

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01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of AJ Green, you were talking

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 4: about Ben Roethlisberger's last game as the Steeler was against

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: the Browns on that Monday night. AJ Green of the

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns last person to intercept Ben Roethlisberger. You take

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 4: that to your local watering hole for a little different

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 4: A Green, very much done.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Aj was fourth overall in eleven. He was the fourth.

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 4: Julio went six. It was a pretty good top. Cam Newton,

1340
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 4: Von Miller, Marcel Darius, aj Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones,

1341
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 4: Alden Smith were the first seven players taking that draft.

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 4: Jake Locker sorry, and then Tyron Smith was nine, Blaine

1343
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 4: Gabbert sorry. JJ Watt was eleven. That's a pretty good

1344
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: throughout the quarterback again, Christian Ponder not so good. Nick

1345
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 4: Fairley was fine. Then Robert Quinn is fourteen, Mike Pouncy fifteen,

1346
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 4: Ryan Kerrigan.

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01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: Sixteen. That's pretty good. That's pretty good talent.

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01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 5: So Phil was at twenty one in twenty eleven, Richardson

1349
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 5: Weedon in twenty twelve, Barkievius Mingo in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Yea, And then we just went through the fourteen YEP

1351
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 4: from the twenty eleven draft. There are four players still

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 4: active in the National Football League. Von Miller yep, Cam Jordan,

1353
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: of course. Would you have had this, Cam Jordan one

1354
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty two career sacks, Von Miller won thirty

1355
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 4: eight point five. Cam Jordan only has six fewer than

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01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 4: von Miller. Confused with Jordan Cameron not to be confused,

1357
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 4: Cam Hayward, who was still in the league. And then

1358
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 4: the Red Rifle Andy Dalton the four players from that

1359
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 4: draft still in the National.

1360
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: Football Andy Dalton was kind of a get out of

1361
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: jail free card for them because they got aj Green

1362
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: and Andy Dalton in the same draft, and it allowed

1363
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: them to pivot off of you know, because Palmer had

1364
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: just left YEP, and so they were you know, that

1365
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: was and then they won some divisions with those guys.

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 4: I'm wrong. There's one more still active player in the

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 4: league and a guy who started games. He started games

1368
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 4: this year, in fact, quarterback from Virginia Tech drafted by

1369
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens in the sixth round to Rod Taylor.

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 2: Did we settle on Tyrod or to Rod?

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 4: I think it was Tyrod and I think he changed

1372
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 4: it to tour Rod while he was here.

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 5: While he was here, yeah, in training game, he's like,

1374
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: by the way, my name is excuse me?

1375
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 2: Right?

1376
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 5: Oh okay, great, all our imaging needs to be changed.

1377
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 5: Nothing to see here.

1378
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's why draft look, drafting matters.

1379
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:55,919
Speaker 2: It matters.

1380
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 4: And you know, last year we had what appears to

1381
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 4: be a very solid class and you've got a stack

1382
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 4: a couple of those together, and that's when you can

1383
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 4: do some things. I mean, you go back to Seattle.

1384
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 4: Both of these Seattle did a great job and free

1385
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 4: agency bringing in a couple of pieces, but the majority

1386
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 4: of their talent there was was home was drafted, and

1387
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 4: that allowed them to go and make splashes. To get

1388
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 4: a Leonard Williams to bring into Marcus Lawrence, to bring

1389
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 4: in Sam Darnold. To who else did they sign that

1390
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 4: was big? Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was maybe a little

1391
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: thank you very much good assists there, Masmote. Cooper Cup

1392
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 4: big in the playoffs, Bigger in the playoffs than he

1393
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 4: was in the regular season, quite frankly, because it was

1394
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 4: a little bit of a disappointing season forty seven, five,

1395
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 4: ninety three, and twelve. But like they their corners they drafted.

1396
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 4: Their offensive line was completely home grown Jackson Smith and Jigba.

1397
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 4: They drafted Kenneth Walker and Charbonay, they drafted Barner, They

1398
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 4: drafted like a lot of their their main guys. They

1399
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 4: were able, They had successful drafts and got value from

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,799
Speaker 4: you know, people later on in the draft that played

1401
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 4: well for them. Absolutely, and that's what you's you have

1402
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 4: to do. I mean, you go back to the legion

1403
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 4: of Boom. Richard Trum was a fifth round pick right

1404
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 4: you know this year their draft Graysabel Nick Emon Worri

1405
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 4: Zabel was a stud. Emon Warri was second in the

1406
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 4: Defensive Rookie of the Year, voting.

1407
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: To our guy. Yep.

1408
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 4: Also, how about the fact that I know Jalen Hurts

1409
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 4: one one, but Jalen Hurts graduated from Oklahoma. Yes, of

1410
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks to graduate from Alabama in recent memory, Jalen

1411
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 4: hill Row and they didn't play, is the first one

1412
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,879
Speaker 4: to actually win a Super Bowl.

1413
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they have a they have kind of

1414
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: a weird quarterback history because they have like Stabler and

1415
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: Star and those guys like way back name it. Yep.

1416
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: You know Bama's got that. But then they went like

1417
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: thirty years with nothing, forty years maybe with nothing, and

1418
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: then Kiffin got there, and then they got to uh

1419
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: like it was like Hurtz to uh Mac Bryce, you know,

1420
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: kind of one after another after another, mill Row and

1421
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: now Simpson where they've had like pro quarterbacks, but that's

1422
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: not who they are. It's honestly, Merors Ohio State. Ohio

1423
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: State isn't that either. Ohio State doesn't have quarterback lineage.

1424
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: And then you know Urban and Ryan started running pro

1425
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: style and then you get you know, first round picks

1426
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: with Haskins and Fields and certainly CJ. And then you

1427
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: know it'll end up Will Howard was a sixth rounder

1428
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: last year. My guess is Julian saying will be a

1429
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: first rounder next year. So it's one of those things

1430
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: where the sport changed so much at the college level

1431
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: that those programs because in order to win a national

1432
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: championship and the what will be Gone era, it was

1433
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: all run the ball. It was option and it was

1434
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: running it and the teams that threw it were the

1435
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: teams that didn't win a lot. That's where the USC's

1436
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: those type of schools came from, or even the outliers

1437
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten, like Purdue with Drew Brees, Like

1438
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: the only way that they could compete was to throw

1439
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: it all the time because they couldn't compete in the

1440
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: t inches with those powerhouse programs. So those quarterbacks just

1441
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: didn't come through those places for forty years. Like wasn't

1442
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: Craig mckel right?

1443
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: He did?

1444
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 5: Greg?

1445
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: Is he a finalist for the Heisman?

1446
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 2: Maybe as a token maybe he was a quarterback of

1447
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: an undefeated national championship team.

1448
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, in two thousand and nine, but he was he

1449
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 4: was a seventh round pick and never threw a pass

1450
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 4: in the NFL.

1451
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: I don't know that he was, because that was the year.

1452
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: I think Sam Bradford won it that year, and that

1453
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: was Bradford McCoy and McCoy got hurt on the first

1454
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: drive of the National Championship game against Alabama. Texas is

1455
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: going down to score. He gets hurt on the first

1456
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: drive and they have to play a true freshman the

1457
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: rest of the way and Bam ends up kind of

1458
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: crushing him. But they were driving to score, and actually

1459
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: I think did score. I think they led seven to nothing.

1460
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: But McCoy went out in the very first series and

1461
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: never played in that National title game the rest of

1462
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: the way. So but yes, draft it, develop it. That

1463
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: is the key to all of these things. For the

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Speaker 2: Browns fans. Speaking of drafting, are there lessons that people

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01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: can learn, teams can learn for what happened in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Emery Hunt's gonna join us on that. Coming up next there,

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Speaker 2: listen to Cleveland Browns Daily a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 7: You know who was excited last night probably watching that

1474
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 7: Caleb downs because he is someone that has elite level

1475
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 7: skill sets in terms of like physical skills, but also

1476
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 7: the football IQ is elite. Seeing how Eman Warri helped

1477
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 7: transform this defense, maybe teams now will feel comfortable with

1478
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 7: taking downs early in the draft as opposed to, you know,

1479
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 7: throwing that lazy tag out there of positional value like man,

1480
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 7: get good football players and the position value and work

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01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 7: yourself out regardless.

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Speaker 2: Football gameplan dot com. Emory, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: taking the time. Let's start with what just happened on Sunday,

1493
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: and that was this Seattle coronation and a Super Bowl

1494
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: championship that went with it in a very different way

1495
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 2: of building a roster in terms of the way classically

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 2: we were told, which was if you don't have a

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01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: franchise elevating quarterback, you don't have a chance. Obviously, the

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Darnald career has its own lessons in it, but in

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: terms of the way that Seattle was built, are there

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Speaker 2: things that they did that other operations can mimic as

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: they try to reach that level?

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Speaker 3: You know, I truly believe it starts with the drafts

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: and being able to identify talent and have an identity

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 3: as a franchise and this is what we do, this

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: is who we are. So therefore, make your scouting process

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 3: easier to identify those players. And then on top of that,

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 3: you empower your scouts that feel like they have a voice,

1508
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 3: that they feel like they have what they're doing has

1509
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 3: value and they're just not out there finding, you know,

1510
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 3: just crunching numbers or whatnot. They're actually going out there

1511
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 3: and scouting. I think that's how you kind of build

1512
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: what we saw Seattle do because they've done it since

1513
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: John Schneider has gotten there, and that goes back to

1514
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: when they drafted Russell Wilson and that entire draft class

1515
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: with Bobby Wagner was in that class. And so I

1516
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 3: feel like when you have an identity, you empower your scouts,

1517
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 3: you do what's necessary to make sure you get what

1518
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: your coach needs and wants to be successful, and you

1519
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 3: have that linear leadership that I like to talk about,

1520
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 3: and that's what we saw the Seahaws do. The Rams

1521
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: do a great job of it as well, but the

1522
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: Seahawks just won a Super Bowl beating the Rams along

1523
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: the way, and therefore you know that's how they operate.

1524
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 4: In my opinion, Emery, when you look at at kind

1525
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 4: of this draft that is coming up right now, and

1526
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 4: I know you talked about it, and we played a

1527
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 4: clip of you talking about Caleb Downs there, but which

1528
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 4: is kind of as you see this draft, as you

1529
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,440
Speaker 4: start to prepare for what are some of the positions

1530
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 4: that you think are going to have some of the

1531
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 4: best value in terms of you might be able to

1532
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 4: get some guys in the third round that you know,

1533
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 4: in some other drafts could have been you know, first

1534
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 4: day one or early day two talent.

1535
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 3: That's a great question, and now I tend to always have,

1536
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 3: you know, the same answer when we look at how

1537
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: the draft and mimic college football and stuff that trickles

1538
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: up that way. So as long as we're going to

1539
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 3: see three, four and five wide receiver sets, we're gonna

1540
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 3: see corners, nickel corners, safeties that can cover. You're gonna

1541
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: get a lot of those guys, right, So on both

1542
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: sides of the ball, you can get a bunch of

1543
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: receivers and tight ends and a bunch of defensive backs.

1544
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: I think until colleg football goes back to you know,

1545
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: these ground and pound I formation type situations, we're gonna

1546
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 3: continue to have an abundance of receivers that go on

1547
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: Day three that by week nine in the regular season, like, man,

1548
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 3: how did that guy last to you know, pick one

1549
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 3: eighty seven? Well, that's because these guys have a ton

1550
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: of time on tasks. You know, you look at cornerbacks

1551
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 3: and safety's like, man, how that guy last so long? Well,

1552
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many dog one guys that are

1553
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: out here playing nickel and dime defenses that have seen,

1554
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 3: especially nowadays, with these guys averaging eighty plus snaps a game,

1555
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 3: you're like Jesus, that's two football games they're playing. Now,

1556
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 3: we're recards to snaps, So they have a ton of

1557
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 3: life experien ci in game experience on top of the

1558
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 3: fight that these guys are staying a little bit longer.

1559
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 3: So I think that abundance and competition and what we're

1560
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: seeing is the reason why we're we're gonna get a

1561
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: lot more receivers than dbs that could go on Day

1562
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: three that are tremendous value.

1563
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 4: Emery, I want a dude, I want I want a

1564
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 4: number one receiver. Browns have the six pick in the draft,

1565
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 4: and we have not done as well with some of

1566
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 4: those later round draft picks at the wide receiver positions.

1567
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 4: Maybe some other teams in the league have. You're at six,

1568
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 4: you have the pick of the litter. Who's your top

1569
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 4: wide receiver this year? And then who are kind of

1570
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 4: how do you see the guys that are right there

1571
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 4: and what's kind of the gap between Because one of

1572
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 4: the things from a Browns perspective, we're trying to get

1573
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 4: our head around. Is is it better to go receiver

1574
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 4: at six tackle twenty four? Is that you know, is

1575
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 4: the drop off different there? Or would you want that

1576
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 4: tackle at six and a receiver at twenty four? And

1577
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 4: my inclination, my strong bias, because I want that one receiver,

1578
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 4: is to take him at number six, said.

1579
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 3: Watching the Browns play offense last year, it was like,

1580
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: you know what, man, I now see the value in

1581
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: the offensive lineman, you know. But I will say this

1582
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 3: because I grade the receivers differently. I break them down

1583
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 3: by position. I put them in four categories. Split in

1584
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 3: which is an X receiver, your flanker which is a

1585
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 3: Z slot receiver. And I called this other position a

1586
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 3: big inside wide receiver, kind of like that Marcus Colston prototype.

1587
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 3: So so if you look at those four categories, you're

1588
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 3: at the top of the boards, you're looking at Jordan Tysness,

1589
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: my number one ex My number one Z is Carnell Tate,

1590
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: the number one slot is Makiah Lennon, and my number

1591
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: one inside receiver is Denzel Boston. So any one of

1592
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: those four would be ideal for Cleveland because they all

1593
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 3: share one trait and that's elite level hands. And I'm

1594
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: talking about guys that could make the catches that look crazy.

1595
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: They make those routinely. Now they all have different body types,

1596
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: but they all kind of win the same. And we're

1597
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 3: breaking down receivers. You start with hands first. I need

1598
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 3: to get catch first before anything else.

1599
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1600
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 3: And so I love how all of those guys can

1601
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 3: win above the rim. They could win through contact. They

1602
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: are they have a great sense of timing of when

1603
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 3: the big play needs to be made. They tend to

1604
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 3: make the play. So I think any one of those

1605
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 3: four receivers can be had. Now that's that in lines

1606
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 3: to the other part of your question, which one can

1607
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 3: you get later in the first round if there's a

1608
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: premier tackle there for you at six. So I think

1609
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 3: that's the dance that they're gonna have to, you know,

1610
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 3: kind of dance with this draft. I kind of wish

1611
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: that there was a way for them to trade with

1612
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: the Cowboys and get both of their first round picks.

1613
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 3: And now they have, you know, all those first round picks.

1614
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: You could do a lot of damage. But it's tough

1615
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 3: to say a receiver at tackle at six based off

1616
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 3: what we just saw last being one of the biggest

1617
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 3: issues with Brown now I will say this, if they

1618
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 3: feel as though there's a chance to get you know,

1619
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 3: some linemen in free agency, that makes the decision in

1620
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: the draft a lot easier to go play maker at six.

1621
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 3: But based on what I just said about how you

1622
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 3: can find these receivers all throughout the draft, I would

1623
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 3: probably lean more more getting the premier lineman first and

1624
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 3: then go into one of those other receivers right there

1625
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 3: in the twenties.

1626
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 4: If to indulge me for a second, well, let's just say,

1627
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 4: you know, we have Jerry Judu, we have Isaiah Bond here,

1628
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: Cedric Tillman, Todd Monkin coming in to run this offense.

1629
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 4: If you were at six and you could have any

1630
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 4: of those four receivers, because I like what you did there.

1631
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 4: You put them based on kind of their use. But

1632
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 4: who would be like, you're sitting there at sex, You're

1633
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 4: the GM of the Cleveland Browns. We've got Judu, we've

1634
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 4: got Bond, We've got Tillman. Who are you picking at receiver?

1635
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: I would probably lean more to Cornell Tate. And the

1636
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 3: reason why I like Tate I feel like Tate can

1637
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 3: play all three positions, and Tate goes about his way,

1638
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: goes about his game, and this is a comp I

1639
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: half for him. And he reminds me so much of

1640
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 3: the Vonta Smith of the Philadelphi Eagles. He could be

1641
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 3: a number one, you know, his place speaks loudly of

1642
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: him being a number one, But AJ Brown is a

1643
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 3: louder spokes person for the number one wide receiver, even

1644
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: though Smith is the number one in his own right.

1645
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 3: Same thing with Cornell Tate. You watch him all filming

1646
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: like man, he's open, but you know the other guy

1647
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 3: is open too, Jeremiah Smith, who's allowed number one, and

1648
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 3: Tate just goes about his business open all the time.

1649
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 3: Can play inside, can play outside. So I feel like

1650
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 3: Tate would give you the best of both worlds. And

1651
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: it gives you a chance, you know, to really double

1652
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 3: down on the position. If you think about, okay, well

1653
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: we have Tate who's six three quietly, that can go

1654
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 3: up and win, that can get deep down the field,

1655
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: trustworthy hands. It allows you as an offense to now

1656
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 3: keep Jerry Judy on the move, to utilize his speed

1657
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 3: because you have a guy that can win or intermediate

1658
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: and deep down the field in Cornell t So that's

1659
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: why I would lean more toward ten. I feel like

1660
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: he can do more. He's quiet with his with his work,

1661
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: and he depends when reliable ever play.

1662
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: Emery I picked up on an answer to two answers

1663
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: ago where you talked about you know, if you were them,

1664
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 2: you would probably go tackle six receiver twenty four. Is

1665
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: the reason for that that the way you view it

1666
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 2: is the elite tackles, there's a bigger gap between them,

1667
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: and then maybe the second tier versus maybe a receiver.

1668
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: It's similar.

1669
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: Well, we and I think for the passing game. Here's

1670
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 3: my thinking, because for the passing game, we know how

1671
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: the league operates. You can find s sess in a

1672
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 3: multitude of ways. Some people do it with three wide receivers,

1673
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 3: some do it with two tight ends and a receiver.

1674
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 3: So it all depends on how you want to play it.

1675
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 3: So let's say if I'm playing offense for Cleveland, you

1676
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: have Harrol Fannon in there, He's an h BAC type.

1677
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 3: Who else can you bring in? Maybe at Eli Stowers

1678
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 3: from fair Bill, who's more of that receiving flex tight

1679
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 3: end tight right, So now you have two legit receiving

1680
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 3: options without selecting a wide receiver. But with tackles. We

1681
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: know how tackles tend to fly off the board. All

1682
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 3: it takes for one person pull one off the board.

1683
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, everybody wants to tackle. So if

1684
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: you're trying to game the draft like okay, well we

1685
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: can you know, probably get a tackle later. You probably

1686
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 3: want to get the best one early because you don't

1687
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 3: want to be you know, I would say splitting hairs

1688
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: on with some non negotiables or what you're trying to

1689
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: have to select a dance around because you didn't take

1690
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: the best one on your board when you had a chance.

1691
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: And who is the best one for you?

1692
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I'm working through my tackles now. Yeah,

1693
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: I am very impressed with Monroe fleming out of Georgia,

1694
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: a freelom out of Georgia. I just when you talk

1695
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 3: about consistency from down to down, you know, on both

1696
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 3: ends of offense from a you know, run blocking perspective,

1697
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: pass from perspective. For someone to be six seven and

1698
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 3: still able to get low enough to rate guys up

1699
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: out the gap and you know, move guys up off

1700
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: the spot like this tremendous talent. Then obviously got a

1701
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 3: kid from Miami. Both kids from Miami actually pretty good.

1702
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 3: But Malnoa's is the one that has you know, uh,

1703
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: that dancing bear feet that people like to talk about.

1704
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 3: He has that you talk about the kid from Utah Fano,

1705
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: I think is is tremendous. I think Fano's recognition is

1706
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 3: is outstanding, like you can't fool him and he's very

1707
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 3: consistent in his approach. So just named four guys. So

1708
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, even if you want to throw in Cayden Proctor,

1709
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm surprised at how watching Kayden Proctor, how

1710
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of know he's big, but then

1711
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 3: you you see how other defenders kind of feel that

1712
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 3: that that weigh on him when he blocks. It's like, man,

1713
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 3: that that has to be that has to wear on

1714
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 3: you throughout the course of a game because you think

1715
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 3: I could beat him with quickness, but you put those

1716
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 3: paws on you. That's a wrap the rep over. So

1717
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 3: it's it's unique for Cleveland because they got they got

1718
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 3: a choice because you could even convince me and you know,

1719
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 3: to double down online because you could see a pathway

1720
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 3: for maybe someone like Maoloa to play inside as a

1721
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 3: guard while you also grab a book in right tackle

1722
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 3: or left tackle you feel like Dwan Jones caon come

1723
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: back healthy and and he could man once spot the man.

1724
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: I could even be convinced to double down on tackle

1725
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 3: in the first round.

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01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 4: So it sounds like this is given what the Browns needs.

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01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 4: Are clearly that this actually is a pretty solid draft

1728
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: for the offensive line, at least with the Browns. You know,

1729
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 4: first three picks in the top thirty nine, to maybe

1730
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 4: get two on the line and one at receiver and

1731
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 4: be able to get three, you know, day one starters

1732
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 4: and impact players.

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01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I talked about this last night on CBS

1734
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 3: Forts and E's Q. If you are basing this off

1735
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: what we just saw last and we saw Andrew Berry

1736
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 3: do a phenomenal job in the draft, not just with

1737
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 3: the picks, but also with the undrafted rookie free agents.

1738
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 3: I listened a five dudes that he was able to

1739
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 3: grab that played significant roles for the Browns this year.

1740
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 3: If he can stack back to back good draft classes,

1741
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 3: there is no reason why the Browns can't be right

1742
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 3: in a thick and truth be told, they were in

1743
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: the mix. You know, let's say the last seven games

1744
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 3: and two of those losses could have been wins. We're

1745
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 3: talking about Buffalo and you talked about Tennessee. We're probably

1746
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: looking at a different Browns team going into that last

1747
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: game against Pittsburgh, right considering how the whole division just

1748
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 3: fell apart. But I will say this, if he's able

1749
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: to stock file back to back draft classes like he

1750
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty five, with the needs of this

1751
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: immediate team, the Browns have a chance to really do

1752
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 3: something special because the draft, so far as I'm working

1753
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 3: through it is shaping up to be beneficial to what

1754
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 3: they need, and it's you know, operation offense. In my

1755
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 3: opinion for the Browns going into the draft class and

1756
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 3: the free agency, you can stop fill from depth on defense,

1757
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 3: but man, this is all about well making sure you

1758
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: can average twenty four points a game throughout the rest

1759
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 3: of the season, because I think if you get twenty

1760
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 3: four that Brown's defense should be able to close the deal.

1761
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: Talking to Emory Hunt, NFL college football analyst, CBA Sports HQ,

1762
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 2: co host of the College Draft podcast on the Rosstucker

1763
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: Football Podcast channel on YouTube, and author of the Football

1764
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: game Plan Draft Guide. Prior to jeers Now at Football

1765
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: Gameplan dot com, we were all at the combine last

1766
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 2: year and everybody said. The constant was just wait till

1767
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: next year with the quarterbacks. Well here we are a

1768
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: year later. Mendoz's going on. He might be the only

1769
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: quarterback in the first round. All the guys who we

1770
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: were told were going to be locks emery are second, third,

1771
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: sometimes undrafted.

1772
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: What happened, well, firstly, pronoun trumble because I try to

1773
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 3: tell people that last year that don't be so sure

1774
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 3: about twenty twenty six, you know, But I what's funny

1775
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: is is that you know, the guys that everybody talked

1776
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 3: about last year in terms of being this year's crop

1777
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 3: that you want to get, half of them could have

1778
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 3: came out last year. If they were that good, they

1779
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,480
Speaker 3: would have came out last year when it was supposedly

1780
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 3: quote unquote week draft class at the position. So I

1781
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 3: just find all of that funny. But for primarily, what

1782
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 3: happened to a lot of these guys's more tape and

1783
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 3: what's unique about the position. You can kind of tell

1784
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,799
Speaker 3: who is these guys right, because they tend to stand

1785
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 3: out and it jumps out at you. And so even

1786
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 3: for this draft class, as all the quarterbacks that people

1787
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,879
Speaker 3: listed from Nussmeyer to Aller to arch Manning to Leonora's

1788
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 3: sellers to Ka Klubnick, you know Carson Beck. That six

1789
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 3: guys they listed, and Mendoza ends up being the one

1790
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: that everyone says it's QB one, and no one talked

1791
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: about him at all, if little over the summer in

1792
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: their process or even in the spring whenever we talking

1793
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. So it's always fascinating to see that.

1794
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 3: But there are other guys in this class that I

1795
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 3: really like that that. If we're looking at the Seahawks

1796
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: model to your original question and how they got the

1797
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 3: best out of saram Donald, you could win football games.

1798
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: And I've been on this bandwagon in this soapbox for

1799
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: ages talking about no one player is that good. You

1800
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 3: could win with good. All you need your quarterback to

1801
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 3: do is play his one eleven. Which is why we

1802
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 3: saw what bow Knicks brought to the table. And there's

1803
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 3: a bunch of bow Nixes in this draft class that

1804
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 3: you could win with. I'm a big Haynes King fan.

1805
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 3: I love what Haines King did at Georgia Tech. It

1806
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 3: may not look pretty, it may be unorthox, but damn it,

1807
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 3: every time they needed something to happen, they looked at

1808
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 3: him and say, hey man, you got to go make

1809
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 3: a play, and he made a play. I like the

1810
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 3: athletic raw, tools of a tail and green out of Arkansas.

1811
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 3: And I said this about a month ago. He reminds,

1812
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 3: if you watching him, and we're old enough to get

1813
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: this reference, you watch him, and I don't know how

1814
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 3: you cannot see Randall Cunningham. You know how you did

1815
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: not see someone that's bendy gunna bee like athletic. Yes,

1816
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 3: a little bit raw has to tighten up some things.

1817
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: But he worked with Bobby Patrino. I know him well.

1818
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 3: He does a great working with quarterbacks, and so there

1819
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 3: are some guys that you could get later that you

1820
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 3: could win with. But I think everybody and we, and

1821
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,839
Speaker 3: I say we as in media have created this problem

1822
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 3: where we've said the terms franchise quarterback time and time again,

1823
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 3: to where folks get messlerized by this mythical creature that

1824
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 3: lives far in the hills, when really you just need

1825
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 3: a quarterback to not do his to do his job

1826
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 3: and not mess the game up, and you can win

1827
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: a lot of football games, even a Super Bowl.

1828
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 2: Emery, awesome, Thank you so much. Look forward to seeing

1829
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 2: you at the combine over in Indianapolis, my friend, and

1830
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 2: we'll talk again very very soon, and for all of us,

1831
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 2: we'll talk again very very soon. That was Cleveland Browns

1832
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 2: Daily on a first Friday edition of the program on

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01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland.

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01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: You've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of

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01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and eight fifty ESPN Eveland.

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Speaker 3: M m hmm.