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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, Episode number one. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are live Nest
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Are you looking like
Speaker 1: that you didn't know this episode one? I guess we
Speaker 1: didn't started. We did start the new calendar year, right, Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going We're going back to the numbers. What I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding? What numbers? Bro? You mean like the Jersey numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a one? You want to throw
Speaker 1: it out there? No, I don't know who the number
Speaker 1: one is gonna be this year, so it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: There'll be some people fighting for it if they're not already.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, number one, it's no, it's the number one.
Speaker 1: I mean everybody wants that. They still want it. That's
Speaker 1: what they They're not too far removed from college where
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. So yeah, yeah, I would imagine
Speaker 1: I would. I don't I really don't know this. I
Speaker 1: would think Tony Pollard, Kelvin Joseph, those guys they had
Speaker 1: it in college. Oh well, Tony did have it in college, right,
Speaker 1: you know somebody will get into it. Yeah, all right, Um,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff we're gonna talk about today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some of these recent signings, talk
Speaker 1: about some big picture stuff around the defense and offense
Speaker 1: and where they have to go from here, knowing what's
Speaker 1: happened so far in free agency. Uh. And then we might,
Speaker 1: if we have enough time, we might start a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit extra this week of getting ready for
Speaker 1: draft to have a couple of these guys give us
Speaker 1: some of their thoughts on guys that they think could
Speaker 1: possibly be there at twenty four. We'll do that over
Speaker 1: the next four or five weeks getting ready for the draft,
Speaker 1: and let you guys know what thoughts are, what thoughts
Speaker 1: we have around those players that might be there. Let's
Speaker 1: start first of the recent signings. I'm gonna throw out
Speaker 1: a name, and then you guys, tell me what's the
Speaker 1: deal and tell me your thoughts on the deal. We'll
Speaker 1: go around the table when you guys can talk about it.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with Dante Fowler. He was signed by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. What were your thoughts on that deal? What
Speaker 1: was the deal first of all? And what were your
Speaker 1: thoughts on him? I don't I don't even remember the numbers. Honestly.
Speaker 1: I thought it was one, three, Yeah, all I know
Speaker 1: it was all underneath fourteen, like combined. That's what I know.
Speaker 1: The Dante Fowler move is is it was a pivot
Speaker 1: move um after you know Randy situation, and then they
Speaker 1: they were like, all right, we're gonna get Drans, We're
Speaker 1: gonna get another guy. And you know, this is a
Speaker 1: this is a dan Quinn type signing of somebody that
Speaker 1: he's coveted two other times in his life, and uh,
Speaker 1: this is the third time that he got him in.
Speaker 1: So I think he's he's just a another pass rusher,
Speaker 1: another body who's had some potential. I mean, he's had
Speaker 1: some big years at times. But you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how they use them here. We can just put all
Speaker 1: of this under the same umbrella like they reached under
Speaker 1: the table and grabbed the big old Dallas Cowboys Free
Speaker 1: Agency playbook with the star on it and opened it
Speaker 1: up and they're just following it page by page. Don
Speaker 1: after Randy. Yeah, yeah, because the Randy thing was like,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna do this, and then this is this
Speaker 1: is not smart, but we're gonna do it. And then
Speaker 1: then and it was gonna mess up everything else. It
Speaker 1: was gonna That was why that thing was under the table.
Speaker 1: But once Randy did that, then it's like, we'll go
Speaker 1: back to what we I would argue that the Randy
Speaker 1: thing would have fit under the purview of what they do,
Speaker 1: considering resigning your own not breaking the bank to do it,
Speaker 1: but a deal that both sides can agree on. And
Speaker 1: they pivoted to signing about five guys with the money instead,
Speaker 1: But like resigning your own player at not top of
Speaker 1: the market still fits under what they prefer to do
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But anyway, yeah, I mean Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: was a top five pick. He hasn't achieved that potential.
Speaker 1: They love signing guys like that. They've done it the
Speaker 1: whole time I've been here. I don't really have any comments.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry, it's like, you get these guys. We
Speaker 1: got a new guy that's how time here and he
Speaker 1: comes here, he does an interview. I forgot with who.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was with Britt or they
Speaker 1: do the interview. He sounds excited, you know, everybody that
Speaker 1: comes here, it's like, yeah, I've always wanted to play here.
Speaker 1: It's exciting, and you're just at least me, I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting here. I'm like, Okay, you seem like a nice guy.
Speaker 1: I like you so far. Okay, let's see what you do.
Speaker 1: That's that's good that you're happy. I'm glad you're happy.
Speaker 1: I'm not happy just yet. You know, like, right now,
Speaker 1: I'm just having a hard time. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that people shouldn't be excited or should be excited either way,
Speaker 1: but it's just one of those things that right now, yes,
Speaker 1: good at some depth, get ready for the draft, to
Speaker 1: back yourself up where you're not having completely holes, like
Speaker 1: full on holes in your list. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not excited. Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: They also added Dorance Armstrong. Do you think that at
Speaker 1: this point they have enough at defensive end to be
Speaker 1: able to keep Michael Parsons where they want him, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a guy that's kind of roaming around
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. Or do you think they're still they still
Speaker 1: need more and he provides that more at defensive end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the strategy that I would
Speaker 1: move forward with. I mean, Michael Parsons is going to
Speaker 1: rush the passer. I don't care if they don't have
Speaker 1: anybody else. He's going to do it and he should
Speaker 1: do it. Not full time, but they have enough here
Speaker 1: to allow him to continue to be a versatile player.
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday Zadarius Smith signed in Minnesota. You
Speaker 1: can't look at the and I want to be clear,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys pass rush is great as
Speaker 1: it's currently constructed. But I look out at the free
Speaker 1: agent market and I don't see anybody that's worth splashing
Speaker 1: that kind of money on that's going to make it
Speaker 1: significantly better. Maybe what did that opinion change once Zadarius
Speaker 1: Smith got signed or when he was still out there
Speaker 1: At the same thing, I might have signed Zadarius Smith,
Speaker 1: although the money that he got was pretty impressive for
Speaker 1: a guy that missed the entire season with a back injury.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have been excited about
Speaker 1: that deal for the money and the same you know,
Speaker 1: Clowney's still out there again. Return on investment? What is
Speaker 1: that JPP had offseason surgery. He's been in the league
Speaker 1: for like twelve years at this point. What's your ROI there?
Speaker 1: I just think I would rather spend that kind of
Speaker 1: going back to Nick's point, I'd rather spend that money
Speaker 1: on three or four other maybe decent players at other
Speaker 1: spots than try to recapture that magic. And you got Fowler, Dorrence,
Speaker 1: Tank Basham and Chauncey Golston. Yeah, fine, you're fine. Then
Speaker 1: you add Mica to that and hope that it can
Speaker 1: be better than fine. Right, And the saving grace to
Speaker 1: me is that we still have dan Quinn and until
Speaker 1: proven otherwise, based on what he showed us last year
Speaker 1: and what he did with free agent guys, I still
Speaker 1: have hope and I believe that he can show us
Speaker 1: and give us a lot more than what these guys
Speaker 1: have done around the NFL so far. And that's included
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory. I mean, like Gregory, his best season
Speaker 1: was last year. We don't know for sure if he
Speaker 1: can do it without dan Quinn. I mean, obviously people
Speaker 1: think that he can. Denver thought he could, but you know,
Speaker 1: he exceeded expectations, just like Micah Parsons did, just like
Speaker 1: Dorrence Armstrong did the Curse. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that had their best season last year, and so you know, well,
Speaker 1: only time will tell on all that. Nick, you you
Speaker 1: had told me in some conversations we'd had that you
Speaker 1: were kind of interested in a guy like this guy,
Speaker 1: guy like Jadevian Clowney. Do you think that maybe that
Speaker 1: was a that would have been a better signing than
Speaker 1: maybe Dante Fowler. Well, Clowney is really more of a
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say he's just a run stopper,
Speaker 1: but he is a pretty good run stopper. He's similar,
Speaker 1: I think to DeMarcus Lawrence. And maybe you don't want
Speaker 1: him to be your best pass rusher, but he's probably
Speaker 1: a well rounded defensive end. I kind of liked that route.
Speaker 1: They his name has never come up, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether they didn't like it obviously, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever have. But that was I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean I would, but I mean I
Speaker 1: would think, you know, he probably a lot more expensive
Speaker 1: than Dorance Armstrong and Dorance. He's kind of that guy.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a pornman's Clowney, I guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't say this as in a bad way.
Speaker 1: I get maximize your profits, my dude, But like Clowney is,
Speaker 1: Clowney has like a mercenary attitude, which is fine, which
Speaker 1: is again fine, but he's not I want to wear
Speaker 1: at the star on my helmet and take less money
Speaker 1: to work with Lynton. No, He's like, No, somebody eventually
Speaker 1: will give me ten million a year or whatever it
Speaker 1: is that I'm looking for. It'll happen, even if it
Speaker 1: takes me until I get to wait until August, if
Speaker 1: I have to. Yeah. Like, he's demonstrated that attitude with
Speaker 1: his last two or three teams, and so the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't typically strike deals with those types of guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about late Vanderish linebacker. He signs
Speaker 1: a one year deal. What are your thoughts on bringing
Speaker 1: Layton back this year? I mean, I like it because
Speaker 1: of what it does from Micah, I mean, more depth
Speaker 1: you have at linebackers, guys that you're okay putting out there,
Speaker 1: the more it'll free things up for him. I think
Speaker 1: the money, you know, it's unfortunate what happened to him.
Speaker 1: I thought one of the teams or a couple of
Speaker 1: teams kind of screwed him over, honestly, but that's the
Speaker 1: way the marketing. But well, I think I think there
Speaker 1: were deals in place, very close to agreed, and then
Speaker 1: it then they switched gears on him, and it just
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I think he was thinking it
Speaker 1: was going to go one way and then next thing
Speaker 1: you know, it's not. And then money drives up kind
Speaker 1: of quick and his number goes down dramatically. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's all on tape. I mean that they had a
Speaker 1: lot of time, teams had a lot of time to
Speaker 1: study this, and so I think he's a fit for
Speaker 1: certain teams and certain games. There's gonna be some games
Speaker 1: where the teams run the ball a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think Layton will be a bigger factor. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was a coincidence that his opinion, one of his
Speaker 1: best games last year was a San Francisco and so
Speaker 1: when games like that happen, he can help. When he's
Speaker 1: chasing receivers and tight ends all over the field, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be great. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think gone or the days where he's the all
Speaker 1: Pro first round pick howling all over the stadium. I
Speaker 1: think that's gone. But I think he can still have
Speaker 1: a value there and he could be a really solid
Speaker 1: player and at times he can be a really good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it feels different because he played here, he
Speaker 1: has always played here, and he's a first round pick,
Speaker 1: so you've kind of view it through that prism. But
Speaker 1: like strip that away and it's a Dallas Cowboys signing
Speaker 1: covers your tracks, so you're not forced to draft a
Speaker 1: linebacker early. You have a veteran who can do it.
Speaker 1: He's not going to light the world on fire, probably,
Speaker 1: but you're not paying him that way anyway. Pair. I mean,
Speaker 1: so between Micah Layton and Jabril Cox, you have like
Speaker 1: three that you feel okay about. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: them out another one, but before the draft, Like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Keyan O'Neil. Apparently he's switching back
Speaker 1: to safety anyway. Yeah, it doesn't have to be Keyan O'Neil.
Speaker 1: It could be somebody else, but I'd like to see
Speaker 1: them bring in somebody else again, Gifford's back now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows that, Derek. He's also saying somebody else. I
Speaker 1: just thought I'd like to see them bring in somebody else.
Speaker 1: But again it's they're again, they're following the playbook. They
Speaker 1: just they're doing what they can to not panic about
Speaker 1: the positions on their roster so that they can draft purely. Ever,
Speaker 1: I hate, like you mentioned Luke Giffer, but now it's
Speaker 1: like I hate when someone gets me excited and then
Speaker 1: nothing happens. Like that's another guy that I liked the
Speaker 1: moment he stepped here and I saw him a training game.
Speaker 1: That used to be like you were like, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he like physically he has what you would want
Speaker 1: in a linebacker and he fit the mold of that linebacker.
Speaker 1: So he gave me a lot of whole and I
Speaker 1: was like enthusiastic about him and really wanted to see
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys could get out of him, and it
Speaker 1: just never really happened. And he's had a few injuries
Speaker 1: that just sidelined him, but it's just it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: And then and you can go back to Laton Venderish,
Speaker 1: another guy that comes in here, Shawnee gets hurt, he
Speaker 1: steps in, takes the role, becomes that guy had an
Speaker 1: amazing rookie year and then all of a sudden, because
Speaker 1: of injuries, again, his game kind of changes and you're
Speaker 1: not You're left to not seeing all that from him anymore.
Speaker 1: Like it just hasn't happened. I feel like his game
Speaker 1: has to been declining since when he should really be
Speaker 1: trending upwards, and it's just it's just not but this
Speaker 1: kind of signing, it's fine. I'm not. I'm neutral right now.
Speaker 1: I'm just like if money wise, you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: what if he what if there's a guy out there
Speaker 1: that was you know, he's played three or four years
Speaker 1: and he's made a Pro Bowl, and you know he's
Speaker 1: a second round pick and he's out there and he's
Speaker 1: posting pictures on the Instagram of his nu chiseled body.
Speaker 1: Would you sign him? You know? Dyalen Smith? Oh, Jalen,
Speaker 1: I'm about Wagner. Yeah, Like I said, second round pick,
Speaker 1: I was thinking Wagner. I was like, he's been to
Speaker 1: more than a Pro Bowl. Those you follow him on
Speaker 1: Instagram just checking him out, his body. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people talking about it, like, look, really,
Speaker 1: I haven't even I've not seen a single Pete person
Speaker 1: tweet about that. I mean, I thought he was still
Speaker 1: under contract. I did too, but I didn't. All the
Speaker 1: comments said signed this guy, signed this guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: not not all the comments. Some of the comments. Some
Speaker 1: of them were like swipe, Cliff swipe. You shouldn't know
Speaker 1: what that is. I just think, oh, sorry, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I mean, and and again, none
Speaker 1: of these names are like light in the world on fire.
Speaker 1: I don't they're not getting Bobby Wagner. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: those of y'all that think that's going to happen unless
Speaker 1: he brings his price way down. Um agents a problem.
Speaker 1: Gerard Davis, the former first round pick who was with
Speaker 1: the Lions. Rashaun Evans, another former first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just keep signing these disappointing first round picks. That's winning strategy. Well,
Speaker 1: but you know, with a guy like Quinn, I don't
Speaker 1: mind those kind of picks, because that's where you might
Speaker 1: be able to find a guy. Again. If you're take
Speaker 1: the strategy, which I don't know if I love the strategy,
Speaker 1: but if you're taking the strategy we're going low budget,
Speaker 1: then you'd rather take a shot on somebody that maybe
Speaker 1: at some point someone thought could play. I'm not going
Speaker 1: I'm not. If you're looking for over the top optimism,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get it here. But it is
Speaker 1: a strategy that has paid off more than once. I mean,
Speaker 1: Rulando mcclan comes to mind, got some great production out
Speaker 1: of him for a short time. I know there have
Speaker 1: been more. I'm drawing him playing Colombo a you're talking
Speaker 1: about just in general or a lightbacker. No, just like
Speaker 1: failed high picks that came here and kind of resuscitated themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's more, but you get my point. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you guys this question. Do you
Speaker 1: think at all that Leonard Davis we get to Yeah,
Speaker 1: we get to the middle of this season, and because
Speaker 1: my personal opinion is I think by middle of this season,
Speaker 1: jabrol Cox, if not earlier, jabrol Cox is going to
Speaker 1: be your starter with Mica. You guys see the same thing.
Speaker 1: Or do you think that this in any way affects
Speaker 1: that them resigning Latin for this year, for this year
Speaker 1: of one year? I mean, I really hope. So I
Speaker 1: have high hopes for what Jabril Cox can be. But
Speaker 1: we didn't. I mean, we taught if you go back
Speaker 1: to last train camp or like it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: four to a round pick, you can't get any snaps.
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on? We just we don't
Speaker 1: know that much about him. We know the potential he's
Speaker 1: His skill set is fantastic for the modern day NFL
Speaker 1: in the sense that he's good in coverage. He's athletic,
Speaker 1: he moves much quicker than your average linebacker. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that he can grab a starting job, but
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to just give it to him, especially
Speaker 1: he's not done with his ACL rehab as far as
Speaker 1: I'm aware, what do we expect him back to anything.
Speaker 1: I'm not falling into that trap anymore, and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sit on the fence. But so, I mean,
Speaker 1: he injured it week six, which it's an eight month recovery.
Speaker 1: You would think that's plenty of time. Blake Jarwin wasn't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent ready for training camp after getting hurt
Speaker 1: in week one. Meanwhile, Demante Casey, who tears as achilles
Speaker 1: in like week five, is ready for the entire offseason program.
Speaker 1: It's there's no, it's not a boiler plate answer, but
Speaker 1: tearing your ACL in week six should give you a
Speaker 1: wonderful chance to be ready for training camp in general.
Speaker 1: All right, um, let's go on and talk real quick
Speaker 1: about the latest signing. Carlos Watkins. He was just signed,
Speaker 1: I guess today, or at least that's the report that
Speaker 1: he's been signed defensive tackle, which to me is a
Speaker 1: kind of an unheralded, pretty good signing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What do you got thoughts on this? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: if you realize that it's you know, and then it
Speaker 1: goes to the Gifford thing too. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: looked at the big board of one to ninety players
Speaker 1: and realize how everything goes, I mean, those slots have
Speaker 1: to be filled, and that's what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not all gonna be. Oh, this guy is not
Speaker 1: gonna be a pro bowler, Carlos Watkins, but he's but
Speaker 1: you know, you need five or six defensive tackles that
Speaker 1: you trust, and he's one of them in it and
Speaker 1: he's probably the most trustworthy of that group. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought I thought he was a good signing last year,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, exactly what the money is so
Speaker 1: this year, but I'm sure it's sure, it's not crazy,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's It's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that's good to have because you don't as good
Speaker 1: as we think Gallamore can be and Tristan Hill maybe
Speaker 1: and Osa they're still young and they haven't always been
Speaker 1: reliable because they haven't been available. And I one thing
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins probably gives you. He's probably the third best
Speaker 1: signing last year behind Jern Curse and Brian Anger. I
Speaker 1: thought he was he was a useful member of this team.
Speaker 1: I don't know the money, but like Nick said, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you it's not huge. I would pencil him in
Speaker 1: as you're starting one teak one technique right now, as
Speaker 1: long as they don't do something crazy like draft Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: which would be fun. But yeah, no, I pencil him
Speaker 1: asn't damn it. I can't talk. Pencil him in as
Speaker 1: a starter, and I feel fine about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that move. Yeah, very solid guy. And this is
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible, But I kind of really forgotten a
Speaker 1: little bit about him in free agency now until this
Speaker 1: weekend and then today, and you're like oh yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Yes, that's a good guy to have back. So, yes,
Speaker 1: he was someone that I was forgetting about, but very
Speaker 1: very happy that he's back. Solid guy for you guys.
Speaker 1: That's also the kind of player he is, Like I
Speaker 1: remember there have been a number of times that I've
Speaker 1: been watching games and somebody makes a play and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who is that, And I'm like, Oh, that's that's Walkings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's that kind of player, Like he just
Speaker 1: he contends to just be in the mix and makes
Speaker 1: a play. Like I think he's a not always a
Speaker 1: bad thing, No, it's not. He's I think he's a
Speaker 1: very solid player for them and doesn't get that same
Speaker 1: level of credit that a lot of people get, But
Speaker 1: I think he's a very solid signing for them. Had
Speaker 1: thirty two tackles last year as a guy that like
Speaker 1: isn't known for his pass rush ability. He had seventy
Speaker 1: four and four years in Houston, thirty two last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think you know this, this scheme works for
Speaker 1: what he does clearly and went to the house he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: scored one of the twenty two to score a touchdown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the few times that didn't that happen in
Speaker 1: the game we were on the sideline there then, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the first times we were on the sideline
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, during the at the end of the game. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian Anger punter back. We'll see pretty Yeah. I did
Speaker 1: put that out there. Nick put that out there, though,
Speaker 1: I credit to you. It's a good stat Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't do well in these first year.
Speaker 1: This is the third time now he's had a three
Speaker 1: year deal and the first year after he gets paid
Speaker 1: it doesn't go so well. So let's that's why he's
Speaker 1: been cut. He I don't think he's made it to
Speaker 1: the second year of the of those deals. But I've
Speaker 1: said it a bunch of times. We'll say it again.
Speaker 1: He knows the value of playing with with um, you
Speaker 1: know John Fossil and his scheme. His scheme is very
Speaker 1: good for punters, uh, and those stats and the averages.
Speaker 1: I think C. J. Goodwin is also good for a
Speaker 1: punter because he can get down their fast and fair
Speaker 1: catch and it helps your net. So I think this
Speaker 1: is a good place. The money obviously wasn't great. I
Speaker 1: said that, well, it's it's pretty expensive. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: in the top five or six on average for three
Speaker 1: million year. It's a big number for a punter. But
Speaker 1: my thing is, if he plays like he did last year,
Speaker 1: that's well worth three million dollars. Like what he does
Speaker 1: for you in field position and the way that Bones
Speaker 1: can work with him, that's well worth three million dollars.
Speaker 1: And if it's not, I get cutting a punter is
Speaker 1: not going to kill your caps, like, oh we have
Speaker 1: a one point eight dead cap charge, Like, oh no,
Speaker 1: what was us? And the other thing too, is I
Speaker 1: like people I cry in better dreaming about that kind
Speaker 1: of money. Oh well yeah, I mean that's covering the
Speaker 1: NFL in a nutshell. Is just numbing yourself to how
Speaker 1: much money we're just casually talking about. But no, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, I feel like anybody there's there's
Speaker 1: a level of dissatisfaction with how much they're paying their punter,
Speaker 1: and I just I'm people are like, oh, that money
Speaker 1: could be going towards Bobby Wagner. I'm like, well, that
Speaker 1: was never gonna go toward Bobby Wagner, So why not
Speaker 1: just signed the very good punter that you had, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. Three million dollars is not going to
Speaker 1: make or break your playoff hopes. He is a punter
Speaker 1: that does not kickoffs when you still have don't have
Speaker 1: a kick, You don't really have a kicker that you
Speaker 1: that you trust right now. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: will have a kicker that you trust, but but not
Speaker 1: every team has no But just you know, just be prepared.
Speaker 1: They're gonna sign a kicker here probably in the next
Speaker 1: few weeks and maybe a few days. You've been setting
Speaker 1: everybody up and it's somebody that you've been disappointed and coming.
Speaker 1: Would that change Would that really change things for I'm
Speaker 1: gonna direct this to you, Derek. Would that change things
Speaker 1: for you of what you think of a guy like
Speaker 1: Greg Serlin if he wants to come back here just
Speaker 1: on a cheaper deal. That doesn't I mean, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, Like right now, I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot in free agency that makes me say no,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely better than Greg's rline. But I would have
Speaker 1: a problem if they signed him and that's all they
Speaker 1: do when they go into next season with him as
Speaker 1: a starter. I still think there should be draftable kickers
Speaker 1: that you think about in this year's draft that you
Speaker 1: would possibly bring in if nothing else has competition, and
Speaker 1: then see where it debts out. I do not go
Speaker 1: into training camp with Gregson Zerline being non kicker on
Speaker 1: my U if they should resign him, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be the only kicker on my roster if I were
Speaker 1: making that, because money never factors into kickers. When when
Speaker 1: they go up to kick, you expect him to make it.
Speaker 1: I mean, espress an extra point. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: it's like, well that's what you get with a you
Speaker 1: expect the kicker to make it. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: dissatisfied with Zerline because he's pulling in three and a
Speaker 1: half mill I'm looking at how much money man, because
Speaker 1: he ain't making dissatisfied because every other time he lines
Speaker 1: up to make a kick it doesn't go in right
Speaker 1: because he makes me sit in my seat during extra points. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I was trying to look at it from
Speaker 1: I want to go to the restaurant. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: I guess I was starting to look at it from
Speaker 1: like their perspective of like, you know how they're trying
Speaker 1: to always get bargains here and there. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: at least we know what we got in him. We
Speaker 1: know how he was last year, but he's a lot
Speaker 1: cheaper for us this year. Bring him back and then
Speaker 1: just kind of because they have done that a lot
Speaker 1: of times where they just yeah, we'll stick with this
Speaker 1: guy it was cheap, and then I'm you said it perfectly, Derek.
Speaker 1: If that's what they wind up doing, if they bring
Speaker 1: Greg's their line back on a cheaper deal, that's totally
Speaker 1: fine with me, as long as I don't have to
Speaker 1: listen to bones talk about how he deserves to be
Speaker 1: the only guy to hold the job. Like you got
Speaker 1: four or four, you got four fifth round picks. You're
Speaker 1: telling me one of those can't be a kicker. I
Speaker 1: don't even care if it's the LSU kid. Just bring
Speaker 1: somebody in, somebody, I don't care to somebody, somebody you
Speaker 1: think can actually kick the ball, and you know, make
Speaker 1: put it through the uprights. All right, real quick, before
Speaker 1: we go to break us some NFL news. It's breaking
Speaker 1: right now. I just saw this. Tyreek Hill goes to Miami.
Speaker 1: Miami's getting everybody this offseason, but he goes to Miami
Speaker 1: five draft picks for him, a first, a second, two fourths,
Speaker 1: and a sixth. For Tyreek Hill going to Miami. I
Speaker 1: don't I assume this is their goal. Good for Miami,
Speaker 1: for they're gonna know if they're right now, Well, they're
Speaker 1: gonna know if two was the guy by the end
Speaker 1: of this season. Yeah, I mean, if he can't make
Speaker 1: it work with the talent that they've put around him.
Speaker 1: They got one of the best left tackles in football.
Speaker 1: They upgraded yesterday. Yeah, they signed Heron Armstead. They brought
Speaker 1: in Tyreek Hill, They already had Jalen Waddle, Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: They brought in a running back that Mike McDaniel absolutely loves,
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. Like talent, talent around him and the ability.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Jalen Waddles already there. I said that. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: guys around him are not going to be why two
Speaker 1: it doesn't succeed. Yeah, they got they got options. Williams, Hey,
Speaker 1: you we can laugh. I promise you. The Dolphins offensive line,
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade of what they had. Their offensive line
Speaker 1: was a disaster last year. So that's the same thing
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati with Lyle, Like, that's an upgrade for them
Speaker 1: to bring Len because Lyle, although they felt like they
Speaker 1: had a better option or at least a comparable option
Speaker 1: here Cincinnati's offensive line did not mean he will be
Speaker 1: a wear like a jersey for them, or is he
Speaker 1: gonna wear like a black T shirt that says like
Speaker 1: staff on the act, because yeah, he's the bodyguard guard
Speaker 1: both the bodyguards here. All right, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: first break. When we come back, we're gonna jump back in.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about this defense, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you guys the bigger picture question about this defense. Essentially,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have made a decision. They're gonna run it back.
Speaker 1: They pretty much have the same lineup from last year
Speaker 1: minus Randy Gregory, and the question will be is that
Speaker 1: good enough? Where the things they still need to do
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: Studios at the Star. As I prefaced before the break,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the defense. Essentially, the Cowboys are running
Speaker 1: it back. They got pretty much all the players that
Speaker 1: were key members of this defense back, minus couple guys
Speaker 1: like Casey's not coming back. But they did bring back Hooker,
Speaker 1: who will presumably be their starting free safety. And so
Speaker 1: you look across this defense, Randy is the big exception.
Speaker 1: They brought in Dante Fowler. Do you think that's enough?
Speaker 1: Have they done enough right now on the defense to
Speaker 1: be at least comparable to what they were last year
Speaker 1: from a from a talent standpoint, comparable? Yes, better, Probably not.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's that's just football. Like, defense varies so much,
Speaker 1: you know, like the trends. It's it's much harder to
Speaker 1: sustain a top flight defense year after year than it
Speaker 1: is an offense. Like the trends will show you that,
Speaker 1: the stats will show you that. You know, and this
Speaker 1: I know this has been a hot topic of debate
Speaker 1: in the time since Randy left. Not trying to sell
Speaker 1: Randy as von Miller, but he had that freakish level
Speaker 1: of athleticism that gave this past rush a lot of juice,
Speaker 1: and Dante Fowler was a top five pick, but consistently
Speaker 1: over his career, I don't know if we've seen that,
Speaker 1: and to be fair, I've watched nowhere near as much
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler need to get on that here in the
Speaker 1: coming weeks. I just I don't have confidence that their
Speaker 1: pass rush is going to look as dynamic as it
Speaker 1: did at times last year. I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think you got to say, though, the same thing, like
Speaker 1: if you were to get one guy and get Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: you would say the exact same thing though about Dante,
Speaker 1: just like you said with Dante Fowler, because you would
Speaker 1: say he's got the potential to do it, but over
Speaker 1: the course of his career he hasn't done it. It's consistently,
Speaker 1: so I mean, it's the same thing. I mean you
Speaker 1: were I would argue though, that Randy not doing it
Speaker 1: is just because he hasn't been around to do it.
Speaker 1: Like when he's been on the football field, he's shown
Speaker 1: that ability. Yeah, oh all right. I mean Dante Fowler though,
Speaker 1: did the interview the other day, and you could tell
Speaker 1: one thing that was very clear was that he wanted
Speaker 1: to be here. And that's something I think is very
Speaker 1: clear about Randy Gregory is that he didn't. So you
Speaker 1: have to factor that part in it as well, because
Speaker 1: I mean, if Randy wanted to be here, he'd be here.
Speaker 1: He's That's simple as that, right. I mean, yes, guys
Speaker 1: are going ghost No, No, I'm listening to it. I
Speaker 1: mean he wanted to be here. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and I and this whole thing has been frustrating for me.
Speaker 1: I mean just listening to it. You know, last week,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what was happening when we went on
Speaker 1: the air because it sounded like he was having second
Speaker 1: thoughts or whatever. Sound like there were some conversations but
Speaker 1: for him. But I mean, I have a huge problem
Speaker 1: with some of the things Randy has said, But I
Speaker 1: have a bigger problem with the things Randy has not
Speaker 1: said and what he has not said, at least publicly.
Speaker 1: But she's saying everything else publicly, so why not He
Speaker 1: has not said that he appreciates Jerry Jones for doing
Speaker 1: what he did and making his career what it is,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem. This guy was free falling
Speaker 1: in the draft. He wasn't going I mean, who was
Speaker 1: going to take him second round whatever. The Cowboys finally did,
Speaker 1: put number ninety four on his back, believed in him,
Speaker 1: did all that stuff, stood by him through all of
Speaker 1: these things, and then to come back. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if any other team had drafted him later, third, fourth round,
Speaker 1: he'd have been out of the league so fast with
Speaker 1: all those suspensions. Cowboys stuck by him, gave him some
Speaker 1: financial help, and even though he says that's not true,
Speaker 1: they did because they gave him an extension while he
Speaker 1: was suspended, which is unheard of. And so to do
Speaker 1: all of those things, and then to have your people
Speaker 1: in the media that you giving information to say that
Speaker 1: it came down to first strike, third strike, second strike.
Speaker 1: That's a bunch of crowd when he's played through nine
Speaker 1: innings of strikes his whole career. And to not say,
Speaker 1: you know, go go to another team. That's fine. If
Speaker 1: you want to fresh start, go go do that, but
Speaker 1: to to kind of make it spin like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were doing shady things and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: and building a reason of why you left. You left
Speaker 1: because you wanted to go somewhere else, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but don't don't put the Cowboys in the spot where
Speaker 1: they that they did it wrong. If anything, they're the
Speaker 1: reason he's even getting that money. I think I just
Speaker 1: think it was I lost all respect for him and
Speaker 1: some of the things that he's done. That's just my opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing too is I think somehow we've we've,
Speaker 1: at least I'll speak for myself, somehow I had made
Speaker 1: up in my mind that he was maybe even a
Speaker 1: better player than he showed while he was here. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the results still worth
Speaker 1: the results. Last year it was six sacks. That's not
Speaker 1: a great season for a defensive end, a starting defensive end.
Speaker 1: That's the caliber of a guy that gets that kind
Speaker 1: of money. And don't get me wrong, I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have Randy Gregory back here because I would
Speaker 1: have loved to see what he could do in a
Speaker 1: second year with Dan Quinn. Can he build on that?
Speaker 1: Can he make it into more? But his career so
Speaker 1: far as not shown that he is that level of guy,
Speaker 1: like that top level of defensive end. And I do
Speaker 1: think there was a substantial amount of risk in that
Speaker 1: that you get into this deal and this becomes one
Speaker 1: of those deals that people again look in and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: why are they giving him that much money because the
Speaker 1: production doesn't match up, And so good luck to him.
Speaker 1: We'll see what he does in Denver. But I do
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where, at least for
Speaker 1: the way I think Cowboys fans should be approaching this
Speaker 1: is you didn't lose Reggie White here. You lost the
Speaker 1: guy that you thought maybe had some ability and potential.
Speaker 1: He has not shown consistently that he can deliver that
Speaker 1: when it comes to the games and consistently do that
Speaker 1: for a season. I thought I did a good job
Speaker 1: of explaining that I wasn't saying that nobody was the
Speaker 1: same pointing at you, that that wasn't pointed at you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that wasn't pointed at you. This just in general,
Speaker 1: this is just the thoughts about Randy. We got on
Speaker 1: there last week and seriously was like we didn't know
Speaker 1: what to think because we were told that he was
Speaker 1: maybe trying to come back or whatever, but because it
Speaker 1: was all kind of weird. But after everything that's happened
Speaker 1: here in this last few days, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I and I agree with you. I mean, freakishly like
Speaker 1: he can be that guy like like that that interception
Speaker 1: against the Washington I mean, that was one of the
Speaker 1: greatest plays I've seen any defensive player. It was amazing,
Speaker 1: And he can do that kind of stuff. But you
Speaker 1: have you throw it all in there too, like he
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could if he changes the game.
Speaker 1: I mean he's changed a few games, but not always
Speaker 1: in the good way. I mean he's had some penalties
Speaker 1: as well, So you're dealing with everything. You throw it
Speaker 1: all in. In this particular case, I would take Fowler
Speaker 1: and Armstrong over him because you have to rotate them
Speaker 1: anyways you rotate them. He's gonna miss some games. He
Speaker 1: gets hurt a little bit. In this case, I would
Speaker 1: take those two guys coached by Quinn over Gregory for
Speaker 1: a way cheaper price. I think, like quarterback and edge rusher,
Speaker 1: I'll take the freak every time. It sounds dumb to say,
Speaker 1: because Fowler was a top five pick. He's got thirty
Speaker 1: five career sacks. He's had an eight sacks season and
Speaker 1: then the big one was the eleven and a half
Speaker 1: when he was playing with Donald in La. The potentials there,
Speaker 1: but give me, give me again, give me the guy
Speaker 1: with that freakish Jerry Jones always calls it gumby. Give
Speaker 1: me the guy that can get like parallel to the
Speaker 1: ground like Mica does getting around the corner and has
Speaker 1: that potential. And it's not just about sax By the way.
Speaker 1: Pressures matter. Moving the guy off a spot matters, stripping
Speaker 1: the ball. Give me like three of those guys which
Speaker 1: you would have had with Randy, and then I'll fill
Speaker 1: in the back end. It didn't work out, And I,
Speaker 1: like I said, like, I don't think they are substantially
Speaker 1: worse with what they've done, like Fouler, Armstrong and Tank
Speaker 1: is manageable, especially when you consider that Mica is going
Speaker 1: to play a role in that as well. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, I feel, I feel fine about where they are.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're better. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: substantially worse either. Is there a particular area of this
Speaker 1: defense that you guys look at and say they still
Speaker 1: need help here? Like this is still particularly a problem
Speaker 1: for them from a pure numbers standpoint. They need linebackers. Again, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they have enough to get through
Speaker 1: a season with what they've got with or without Luke Gifford. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: with or without, I think they need bodies at linebacker.
Speaker 1: I would love to get an extra talented body at end,
Speaker 1: probably through the draft at this point, um, somebody made
Speaker 1: the point like this is probably the first time in
Speaker 1: my career covering the Cowboys where I'm just like, the
Speaker 1: back ends probably fine if they don't do anything to it.
Speaker 1: I know it's got a crazy right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: get like, you can always improve it. Of course, Derek
Speaker 1: Stingley could fall to you in the first round of
Speaker 1: the draft, and if thoughts on dere Stingy because I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far into draft conversation, but
Speaker 1: I've heard multiple like different variations, and some are like, man,
Speaker 1: I still believe in his ability, and others are like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This could be a bus stop playing
Speaker 1: a fight on the air. Because of it, I think
Speaker 1: he's the most polarizing prospect in the entire draft, honestly
Speaker 1: because he has the talent of a Patrick Peterson like.
Speaker 1: He has that just fluid natural ability. He's got injury concerns,
Speaker 1: and honestly, as somebody who watched his entire career in college,
Speaker 1: I wonder about the buy in, Like I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's got the mental makeup to it be dedicated when
Speaker 1: the season's not going that well. It seemed to me,
Speaker 1: and this is similar to Clowney that when you're a
Speaker 1: star as a freshman, sec star on a great team
Speaker 1: and all that, it's like, all right, when when I
Speaker 1: got the league, because and and and there's very much so,
Speaker 1: but then it's also like, oh, you were having a
Speaker 1: lot of fun when there were first round picks all
Speaker 1: over your defense. It's not so fun right now, is it?
Speaker 1: You know, are you going to be as dedicated as
Speaker 1: you were when you're the guy and you're three and
Speaker 1: two instead of five? And oh? I mean and that
Speaker 1: the NFL is all about that. So there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a few guys like that every once in a while
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, you are ready, but the other
Speaker 1: seventy five that have good freshman years are not. So
Speaker 1: you know, this is the rule I think is fine.
Speaker 1: But you know, Maurice Clarette, I remember way back and
Speaker 1: he was like I'm ready, I'm ready to go, you know,
Speaker 1: and Clowney and who was But Clowny's been a freak
Speaker 1: since high school. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying it,
Speaker 1: but he's a different I think. I think the talent
Speaker 1: is still there for Stingley, but it's I would run
Speaker 1: to the podium to draft him at twenty four if
Speaker 1: he were to fall that far, even all the things
Speaker 1: you know of him as watching him every game, a
Speaker 1: guy with that type of talent, and as far as
Speaker 1: I'm aware, there's no there's no off field concerns in
Speaker 1: the sense of like is he a bad guy. It's
Speaker 1: all just like football character and he mentally always all
Speaker 1: all in. Yeah, if he were if a guy with
Speaker 1: that type of talent were to be there, j don't
Speaker 1: even ask a question about it. If it bites you
Speaker 1: in the ass, it bites you in the ass. But
Speaker 1: the prospect of drafting Patrick Peterson twenty fourth overall is
Speaker 1: like way too enticing to pass up. And I mean
Speaker 1: that that's kind of thing too, Like I'm like, if
Speaker 1: he's got that much talent, like I feel like, going
Speaker 1: back to what you were saying, Nick, a lot of
Speaker 1: that mental stuff may just be because he's frankly bored,
Speaker 1: Like he's freshman year was so great and then you
Speaker 1: got COVID and then half the players aren't playing anyway,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking all along, I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: to the league. At this point, I put it on tape.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the league. It could be that,
Speaker 1: and immaturity will make you do those kinds of things
Speaker 1: when you're young, you're immature and you're looking at things
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. Like that's that's an immaturity issue.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. We picked so just a mental issue.
Speaker 1: We picked all of the COVID opt outs apart during
Speaker 1: the draft cycle last year for not wanting to play
Speaker 1: that season, and like all of them were badasses once
Speaker 1: they got tracked. Yea, So absolutely, yeah, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our final break. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little about the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have the same opinions there
Speaker 1: that this defense that maybe it's comparable. I think there
Speaker 1: have been a lot more hits there and some areas
Speaker 1: that are big target areas. We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 1: moved to the offensive side of the ball. The offensive
Speaker 1: line still remains I think the big glaring weakness for
Speaker 1: this team. It was a problem last year and they've
Speaker 1: only lost pieces. Whether you you know, you can argue
Speaker 1: whether those were pieces that where significant or not. The
Speaker 1: fact is they still lost bodies and they really haven't
Speaker 1: added anything back to offset that. That being said, do
Speaker 1: you think this is something that the Cowboys thinking of
Speaker 1: what's left of free agency that they can address in
Speaker 1: free agency or do you think this has to be
Speaker 1: pretty much the draft and they got to look at
Speaker 1: the draft for a lot of these a lot of
Speaker 1: these positions, a lot of these holes. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: way they can be done. It would it would fly
Speaker 1: in the face of their usual strategy. They haven't done
Speaker 1: anything about left guard. Don't try to sell me on
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern because you benched him last year and they
Speaker 1: don't have a swing tackle. I mean, like it would
Speaker 1: be very out of character. Like their Josh Ball, who
Speaker 1: did not look ready for the NFL before he got
Speaker 1: hurt and that's probably why he didn't come back last year.
Speaker 1: You're not leaning on him and you're certainly not going
Speaker 1: to go into the draft with the entire league circling
Speaker 1: the fact that you don't have a left guard or
Speaker 1: a swing tackle. So at the very least I would
Speaker 1: imagine they're going to do something about that, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: because they don't want, like you just said last segment,
Speaker 1: that they don't want the Darryl Stingleys of the world
Speaker 1: to be dropping. And then you're like, dang, I can't
Speaker 1: take that guy. I wish we could, but we gotta
Speaker 1: take the guard, you know, we gotta take the center
Speaker 1: or whatever, because we don't have anyone. They're not going
Speaker 1: to do that. They're going to cover themselves the best
Speaker 1: that he can. That still doesn't mean they still gonna
Speaker 1: have holes, but they're they're gonna they're gonna put band
Speaker 1: aids on all the positions going into the draft. Think
Speaker 1: of how everything played last year. If you look at
Speaker 1: all three of the position, center, left guard, and then
Speaker 1: swing tackle, where do you think there's the biggest need
Speaker 1: for concern? Amber biggest need I mean swin tackle and
Speaker 1: guard to me is kind of both equally pretty close
Speaker 1: to each other. I mean the other one would be centered.
Speaker 1: That's kind of you can deal with it a little
Speaker 1: bit better. But obviously still need to improve there as well,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I can pick out one of
Speaker 1: the two of twin tackle and guard. This is it's
Speaker 1: such a big problem right now because you you guys
Speaker 1: just talked about signing a guy biking themselves up. But
Speaker 1: you gotta bring someone that's actually good. Like, you can't
Speaker 1: just sign anybody just to have a body. You need
Speaker 1: someone that can actually be good. Because whoever you draft
Speaker 1: in the whoever you draft in the draft, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah, sorry, But whoever you get in the draft,
Speaker 1: you you're not certain either that that guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to give you what you need at the level
Speaker 1: that you need it their first year, and we saw
Speaker 1: how much Dak's struggle he needed the protection. We saw
Speaker 1: clearly how much the running games struggle, and Zeke and
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard need to help too. So it's just in
Speaker 1: all three positions, the only one that I would be
Speaker 1: kind of left kind of behind would be center. But
Speaker 1: other than that, you have to get someone with experience there.
Speaker 1: It's a cop out, but I will just say left
Speaker 1: guard for the time being because they don't have somebody
Speaker 1: I don't like. I would not want to go into
Speaker 1: the season with Connor McGovern, Matt Farney Ax never done
Speaker 1: anything in a real NFL game. You know, we I've
Speaker 1: been saying this for a while. We hate on Tyler
Speaker 1: Beatish because we got used to watching Travis Frederick for
Speaker 1: so long. Like if Tyler is the starting center week one, oh,
Speaker 1: that's fine, as long as the left guard is much
Speaker 1: better than him. You know, Like if you draft a
Speaker 1: first round pick to play left guard or something like that,
Speaker 1: and he've got a guy that you can kind of
Speaker 1: count on to hold his own I can live with that.
Speaker 1: I can't live with the options of that are available
Speaker 1: at left guard right now. Yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: a weird situation when you let the guy leave because
Speaker 1: you didn't want him left guard and he and he's
Speaker 1: making seven million a year, So he's the guy that
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, we don't want him, but you certainly
Speaker 1: don't want to pay a guy seven million a year
Speaker 1: at guard, so like it's kind of a tough to
Speaker 1: live him that it has to be a draft. Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you, this, is that a question of
Speaker 1: money or they just didn't want to pay him seven million,
Speaker 1: Like if there's another guy out there that they could
Speaker 1: do a veteran guard that They're like, this is a
Speaker 1: good player and they could get him for one year
Speaker 1: deal for seven million. You think they wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: do that. No, I mean, but that's the thing. Is
Speaker 1: he going to be better than Connor Williams? Is he
Speaker 1: because he knows what Connor Williams is making? That's that's
Speaker 1: what happened with Zadarius Smith. Zadarius Smith was about to
Speaker 1: sign for about eight and a half million somewhere and
Speaker 1: then they were like, time out, Rand, he's getting fourteen.
Speaker 1: This guy's getting twenty eighteen. You know, like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: And and so it's gonna be tough to say, all right,
Speaker 1: you want me to be better than than the Connor
Speaker 1: Williams who's making seven million a year. I mean, so
Speaker 1: you gotta get creative with the cap. And that's that's
Speaker 1: something that's tough to do. None. And to be clear,
Speaker 1: I do I think they'll I think they will sign
Speaker 1: a swing tackle and a guard. Is it gonna be
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna knock your socks off? No, all those
Speaker 1: guys for Kanta and Secky type, you're gonna sitting there like, okay,
Speaker 1: he played pretty well in twenty eighteen, but he kind
Speaker 1: of dropped off. But he was useful for these guys
Speaker 1: last year. Like that's what they do, and that's what
Speaker 1: this will be. It's like, at some point you gotta
Speaker 1: change what you're doing. At some point you gotta not
Speaker 1: break the bank, but you gotta be able to pay
Speaker 1: somebody that's not in your own free agency list. So
Speaker 1: they work upstairs. You don't have to tell us they
Speaker 1: work up Who has Phil been coached? Like three years ago,
Speaker 1: that was pretty good that he coached somewhere. Are you
Speaker 1: referring to somebody specifically? I mean, is there one? I
Speaker 1: don't know? I'm looking at that, and like I can
Speaker 1: hear Trey Turners out there. He's not who he used
Speaker 1: to be, but like I think he could step in
Speaker 1: and be serviceable. I think he's mainly been a right guard,
Speaker 1: not a left um. Ethan Posk another guy had a
Speaker 1: very up and down career in Seattle, but it could
Speaker 1: at least be a placeholder. I bet I can hear
Speaker 1: people grimacing at Will Hernandez the old Giants guard um,
Speaker 1: I can really hear people grimacing at Eric Flower. But
Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're left with. Ten days. That's
Speaker 1: also why I threw the center out there, because there's
Speaker 1: a really good center that's sitting out Tredder. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so do you think by getting somebody like that now
Speaker 1: you can afford to have a left guard that me
Speaker 1: he isn't as great. But because you got a really
Speaker 1: nice right guard, you feel good about your right tackle
Speaker 1: and you feel good about your left tackle. Maybe left
Speaker 1: guard just becomes your weak link that you just gotta
Speaker 1: work with. Rookie. I mean, I would love to put
Speaker 1: you have a veteran center that was good, and you
Speaker 1: have tying over here. I'd like to put a rooky
Speaker 1: guard and say, I would love I would love that.
Speaker 1: I know that's probably not like that, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like that's but the older you get, like the heart, like,
Speaker 1: once you've had a few NFL contracts, it gets very
Speaker 1: hard to predict your market because like jac Treder can
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell he wants to. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not he's he might not just jump at the best
Speaker 1: deal he might. At this point in your career, you're like,
Speaker 1: I want to go somewhere where I can be successful.
Speaker 1: The money's got to be a respectable offer. But this, that,
Speaker 1: and the other. That's why Bobby Wagner is still great.
Speaker 1: He is gonna wait for the exact right opportunity. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to. He's not gonna be pigeonholed into something
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to do. Jac Tredder is probably very similar.
Speaker 1: So I can't even confidently predict what those type of
Speaker 1: guys might be worth. Yeah, but real quick, I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, I'm like, horror tackles right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just counting too on Tyrn Smith. The
Speaker 1: whole freaking seas well. That's why swing tackle is so important.
Speaker 1: And when I threw it out there, I was hopefully
Speaker 1: that you guys weren't gonna just poo pooah. He's gonna
Speaker 1: play this year, Jeff, if history is any indicator. Jeff
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh made a joke yesterday about the swing tackle situation.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, I guess if if your left
Speaker 1: tackle hurts his knee in the first quarter and your
Speaker 1: right tackle hurts his ankle in the third quarter, and
Speaker 1: maybe you're doing this And I was like, you realize
Speaker 1: that happens here all the time. Several times in the
Speaker 1: last like two years, they've been down to like their
Speaker 1: fourth tackle in a game. It's very important. And they're like,
Speaker 1: people act like this is a new People are like,
Speaker 1: when are they finally going to address tackle. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this for years, like this has
Speaker 1: been especially in the draft, like we've been considering tackle
Speaker 1: prospects for at least three years. At this point, maybe
Speaker 1: this will be the year. I don't know. They may
Speaker 1: have to. I think honestly they have to at this
Speaker 1: point just because for the rest of his career, Tya.
Speaker 1: Smith is going to need a reliable backup because you
Speaker 1: just if again you have to look at history, and
Speaker 1: history says he's not gonna make it a full seventeen game,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I don't think it's as easy as
Speaker 1: like moving Terrence Steele over left tackle if that were
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, more so than maybe ever because having
Speaker 1: the safety blanket of Lyell there for a few years
Speaker 1: was really nice. But yeah, I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: have an above average third tackle for this team. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about the wide receiver position. How
Speaker 1: how does that fall in your level of priority when
Speaker 1: you look at the offensive line. We all think the
Speaker 1: offensive line is a problem. We know they've got some
Speaker 1: holes there. Where does wide receiver line up with that?
Speaker 1: Is it more important? Is about the same or is
Speaker 1: it less firmly one B. I consider it a problem
Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed, but not as badly as
Speaker 1: the offensive line. And I really think if you were
Speaker 1: making me predict right now what they're gonna do with
Speaker 1: pick twenty four, whatever offensive lineman or wide receiver they
Speaker 1: feel better about. And if I had to guess, they
Speaker 1: would go offensive line A because it's a bigger need
Speaker 1: be because there's a lot of really great receivers in
Speaker 1: this draft. But those are the two biggest needs on
Speaker 1: this entire roster in my opinion. I mean, they they obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean with with the Marigon and then
Speaker 1: they're slide and CD up. Obviously he's going to be
Speaker 1: the guy. But um, you know, I just think that
Speaker 1: that I know you you disagree, But I think James
Speaker 1: Washington is going to be similar to Cedric Wilson. I
Speaker 1: think that's a similar type of player right there. And
Speaker 1: I think that Cedric had a chance to do a
Speaker 1: lot with with some injuries that opened the door for him,
Speaker 1: and that didn't really happen for James Washington, but when
Speaker 1: he was at Pittsburgh his second year, he did have
Speaker 1: those numbers, So the numbers are pretty comparable. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously that's a that's a you know, he's he's excited
Speaker 1: to be back and he wanted to be here, and
Speaker 1: of course I know people from his hometown, My wife's
Speaker 1: from his hometown, and everyone's excited about that, and he's
Speaker 1: excited to rekindle that and be that guy. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a Mark Cooper, but I think
Speaker 1: he can be that third maybe fourth receiver that could
Speaker 1: be really good players. Well, I do agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Where you and I think you and I disagreed,
Speaker 1: was you thought that a Mari they really did. Haven't
Speaker 1: found a replacement for a Mari. And what I was
Speaker 1: saying was, I think that's I think they've replaced him,
Speaker 1: or at least in their mind they think they've replaced
Speaker 1: him with CD wh who's replacing Then, Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think everybody slid up. I think he
Speaker 1: went up to one. I think Gallup went up to two.
Speaker 1: The question is can James Washington be a three or
Speaker 1: is he really more of a four, like Cedric. That's
Speaker 1: where I think you got to replace. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they have. I don't think if you look at
Speaker 1: just a Mari's role again in their minds, we don't
Speaker 1: know if that's going to play out. We don't know
Speaker 1: if CD's actually gonna be that. We know CD was
Speaker 1: their number one receiver last year statistically in most of
Speaker 1: every category, but we don't know if without having a
Speaker 1: Mari on the field, if that's gonna be the same thing.
Speaker 1: And the point I made to you earlier also is
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of games last year where you
Speaker 1: had all three of those guys planning. The majority of season,
Speaker 1: you did not, So you can't even say that, well
Speaker 1: they don't have all three. Well they didn't have all
Speaker 1: three most to last year either, And so the question
Speaker 1: just becomes is James Washington, which I think he might be,
Speaker 1: is he good enough to be your third wide receiver?
Speaker 1: And if he is, or if you go out and
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the first or second round that
Speaker 1: can come and be your third wide receiver, I think
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good that the wide receiver corking will
Speaker 1: not be the problem. Yeah, like it may you can
Speaker 1: question whether they'll be as good as that other one,
Speaker 1: as that other wide wide receiver group. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you can question that they will won't be the problem.
Speaker 1: There'll be other things that will be problems for this
Speaker 1: team way before you get to wide receiver. I don't
Speaker 1: want to play that game where I'm hoping that that
Speaker 1: can be true, like that's the NFL, because you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose guys every year, but hoping game every year to
Speaker 1: throw numbers at the problem and say, I feel a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot better about Chris LaVey or George
Speaker 1: Pickens picking this receiver corps up than hoping that a
Speaker 1: guy who's done it. Sort of Once, James Washington's best season,
Speaker 1: he had fewer catches than Cedric had last year, Just
Speaker 1: to get you, yes, catches, not yards yet, but am
Speaker 1: Cedric had like six four I thought that year that
Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen for James Washington was comble to Cedric's
Speaker 1: saying similar to the same. But Fedrick is the fourth
Speaker 1: receiver on this team, right He was four until there
Speaker 1: was an injury, so he could the fourth needs to
Speaker 1: slide into the third, which is what you're saying. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is it's one or the other. Either James
Speaker 1: need to step up and become that third wide receiver
Speaker 1: or you need to draft somebody that can become that
Speaker 1: third wide receiver. Either those two things happen. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: you're you're back to a good wide receipt. Forget Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup has a really good chance of starting the season
Speaker 1: on Pup got him. So that means all this talk
Speaker 1: about being a third fourth, I mean it's actually two.
Speaker 1: There's a chance that maybe a week or two you
Speaker 1: draft a receiver and him and James are gonna be
Speaker 1: two and three behind CD. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: be at the golf tournament in late May listening to
Speaker 1: the front office talk about, yeah, I just didn't work
Speaker 1: out with the receiver in the draft, but like we
Speaker 1: feel good about James and we got some young guys here.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make me feel good. Brandon Smith and Osireus Mitchell
Speaker 1: like they're chomping at the bit to show you what
Speaker 1: they can do and like we feel, no, I've done that,
Speaker 1: And they traded for Amari Cooper six months later. Sure cool.
Speaker 1: They need they need a first, second or third round
Speaker 1: pick at wide receiver. In my opinion, and what makes
Speaker 1: this thing work? Yes, all right, we agree? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as they do that, that's James Washington. Get
Speaker 1: in there, show me what you can do, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you exceed my expectations. But I'm sick of this thing
Speaker 1: where we're counting on that, Like Jeff Heath's never done this,
Speaker 1: but we think he can be a great starting singer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm not really honestly, that's not the
Speaker 1: argument I'm making James Washington. I don't expect him to
Speaker 1: be your two. I expect James Washington to be the
Speaker 1: three or the four. But again, and I think you
Speaker 1: need that draft pick in there. What do we expect
Speaker 1: versus what do they do? That's my point. So I
Speaker 1: hope that they agree with it. Are we not going
Speaker 1: to talk about that they've resigned Sprinkle? Have they finally
Speaker 1: done that? Yeah? They just because we're talking about that. See,
Speaker 1: because it's because we're up to date. This is current news.
Speaker 1: This is current that just happening. Yeah, they signed him.
Speaker 1: He's agreed to terms for a while, but they just
Speaker 1: signed the deal. I was about to say, I thought
Speaker 1: that happened a while back. No, it got snagged up.
Speaker 1: He was holding you hold on, I need to think
Speaker 1: about this. You laugh, But that I mean that is
Speaker 1: a position that needs numbers. Dalton Schultz is great, but
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sell anybody that Jeremy Sprinkle is awesome.
Speaker 1: I straight up mean they need guys that number on
Speaker 1: the football fucker, like they need a blocker. I think
Speaker 1: in the worst way at the tight end position. Somebody
Speaker 1: go called Mercedes Lewis. Otherwise, I mean, is there nobody
Speaker 1: in the draft? Come on, draft guy, give me a guy.
Speaker 1: Do you you watch college football? Who does that? Tight
Speaker 1: Ends don't block anymore. That's not a thing. And if
Speaker 1: they do, they're gonna make him a left tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can find you like six guys that couldn't be
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, but nobody they could be no blocker. I mean,
Speaker 1: sure you can develop into that, but like that, I
Speaker 1: have not come across a tight end that's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do much in the past game, but he'll
Speaker 1: run like three guys out of the play if he's
Speaker 1: out there. I haven't heard his name. Please somebody correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I feel free all right? Well
Speaker 1: in the show on a downer. Thanks, Sorry, that's what
Speaker 1: I do. That's what I do. Speaking of downers, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting here putting up the Jeremy Sprinkle story on
Speaker 1: the Spanish type, and I'm just listening to you guys,
Speaker 1: and I feel I don't mean to be a downer too,
Speaker 1: but I feel terrible about this offense right now. I
Speaker 1: really do. I mean, you guys went through the offensive line,
Speaker 1: we went through the wide receiver position, and now you
Speaker 1: started talking about tight end, and nothing in any of
Speaker 1: those areas made me feel very good coming as we
Speaker 1: stand here right now. And even if they address things
Speaker 1: through the draft, I'm always hesitant because I don't know
Speaker 1: that like I want to see it on the field.
Speaker 1: Let's see how these rookies come in and step up.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do something like Micah Parsons have done,
Speaker 1: and people do it every year, but it's hard to
Speaker 1: get guys like that that can step up right away.
Speaker 1: And right now, the offense, it's just I don't it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to picture them being better in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two offensively. Yeah, yeah, just because going into
Speaker 1: the off season, there was one thing that I thought
Speaker 1: was the biggest priority for this team to fix, and
Speaker 1: that was the offensive line. And that's the area that
Speaker 1: they've lost and haven't had anything back, Like there are
Speaker 1: other areas where you've had it, lost something, but you
Speaker 1: added something like. That's the area they haven't gained anything.
Speaker 1: They've gained no ground. They've actually regressed from the standpoint
Speaker 1: who just bodies. So I don't feel good at all
Speaker 1: about that about the offense. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: the offense starts and ends, is how good is your
Speaker 1: offensive line? I guarantee you we'll be sitting here in
Speaker 1: a week and we'll have a better feeling about it.
Speaker 1: Good this free agency, this is what they're still gonna
Speaker 1: do stuff. They're still gonna and they're gonna get guys.
Speaker 1: And and even if you're like, well, who's out there?
Speaker 1: Who are they gonna keep? Give me a Kyle Kozar
Speaker 1: type guy, Like I'm That's all I'm looking for right
Speaker 1: now is a gotta steady I gotta steady. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: another thing that you got a factor in on the
Speaker 1: defense side too, is when you look at you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: they lost Randy, they got these two guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: do we think Michael Parson is gonna be the same
Speaker 1: player he was last year. I mean, I hope he's better.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, I think Trayvon Dad,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be He's gonna be a better player. The
Speaker 1: flip side of that coin is Late and vander USh.
Speaker 1: I mean you always hope, Yeah, that's always hope. I
Speaker 1: don't take anything for granted. I hope Mike is a
Speaker 1: better player, but you can't. I always say, it's not Madden.
Speaker 1: You don't automatically jump six spots. You don't go from
Speaker 1: eighty to eighty six automatically. Some players go up and down.
Speaker 1: Some just go down. So go up. At the end
Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, I was convinced, you're right, we had
Speaker 1: the next luke Keickley, is what I thought, Like I
Speaker 1: was like lately, Yeah, I was like I was sure
Speaker 1: he was gonna be the truth and it didn't work
Speaker 1: out like that. Like, you're right. It just everything is
Speaker 1: always it's a brand new season and you just don't
Speaker 1: know where it's gonna go from it. I want to
Speaker 1: be I want to be clear. I'm with Nick, like
Speaker 1: how I'm not betting against Micae, but I just don't
Speaker 1: just don't assume anything in this stupid league. But again,
Speaker 1: like like we're doing this podcast, what we do on
Speaker 1: Wednesdays and all that, but we're not we're not done
Speaker 1: with free agency obviously the draft, and that's why offensive
Speaker 1: line is so important. I think in the draft, the
Speaker 1: guy that I want, I don't even know what his
Speaker 1: name is, but his position needs to have a slash.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. I want to slash tackle. I
Speaker 1: mean guard, slash tackle, center, slash guard, something like that.
Speaker 1: That's what I need. I need a versatile player that
Speaker 1: is a plug and play. Amber said it earlier about
Speaker 1: is he going to be ready to go? Yes, because
Speaker 1: that is the difference when they're looking at three or
Speaker 1: four guys up there. Which guy starts next week at OTA.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that you need. He's NFL ready because
Speaker 1: he's played at at this Big ten school for four year.
Speaker 1: Put him in. He's ready to go because that's what
Speaker 1: you need. You need to plug and play guy. All right,
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Join us. We'll be back next week
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