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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Alison Flum. Welcome back to Erased the

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Speaker 1: murder of Elma Sands. In our last episode, Cold and

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Speaker 1: stumbled upon a massive discovery. Aaron Burr's company owned the

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Speaker 1: well where Elma was killed, and his good friend Ezra

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Speaker 1: Week's brother of the accused, is the person who built it.

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Speaker 1: So the Manhattan Well didn't have clean water, but it

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Speaker 1: was a very convenient place for the Weeks brothers to

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Speaker 1: dispose of a body. In December seventeen ninety nine, the

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Speaker 1: Lispernard Meadows were just icee snowy, desolate hills. There was

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Speaker 1: nothing there except the Manhattan Well, so it kind of

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Speaker 1: makes sense that no one thought to look there for

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Speaker 1: Elma until January second, eighteen hundred. In this episode, we

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Speaker 1: learn what happened on that day, the day Elma's body

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Speaker 1: was found. The first witness is James Lent, who witnessed

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Speaker 1: her body being dredged from the well.

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Speaker 2: I didn't witness.

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Speaker 3: I helped, sure he helped.

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Speaker 4: I don't know it all happened, So fast walk us

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Speaker 4: through the events of that day, mister Lint. I was

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Speaker 4: having lunch at Andrew's house. We try to have men's

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Speaker 4: lunch once a week you know, without our wives.

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Speaker 5: Time for just men.

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Speaker 6: This is top three best sausage you've ever made.

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Speaker 7: I'm getting good at seasoning, right cool.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry budget boys.

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Speaker 7: Joseph Elias, what's wrong?

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Speaker 8: Where in crisis? We need supplies?

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Speaker 7: Hi, I'm James the sup plus for what I'm Joseph Watkins.

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Speaker 7: This is Elias Ring, huks Holts. Whatever you have and

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Speaker 7: what's all this for?

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Speaker 5: Can I help you?

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Speaker 2: Scary?

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Speaker 5: We need rope too?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 7: All all that I got you?

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Speaker 5: We're going to the list of arts.

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Speaker 9: How are you going out?

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Speaker 1: That's William Blank, Andrew's son. The little boy Colvin wasn't

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Speaker 1: allowed to question. In the previous episode, his dad, Andrew Blank,

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Speaker 1: was having lun with James lent on January second, eighteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: when Elias Ring and Joseph Watkins barged into the house

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Speaker 1: asking for supplies.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, I didn't know your kid was here.

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Speaker 7: Say hi to our guests, William.

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Speaker 10: Mister Watkins, Miss Sterlin, mister Ring.

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Speaker 11: Good day.

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Speaker 10: Where are you guys going? All right?

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Speaker 7: Here's what I got all this?

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Speaker 12: God?

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Speaker 10: Are you leaving me home alone?

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Speaker 13: You hand me that rope, James, Just for a little while, kiddo,

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Speaker 13: we have to run to the list been Ards.

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Speaker 11: Oh, the Listpernards.

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Speaker 6: That's fun, that's fun.

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Speaker 10: I want to come.

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Speaker 6: Can I come?

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Speaker 1: Dad?

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Speaker 5: This will not be fun with you.

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Speaker 6: It's not for kids, Williams.

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Speaker 9: Wait, what's set the list Bernards?

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Speaker 11: Well, I am almost thirteen and I am really bright.

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Speaker 10: I will not ask any questions or be distracting.

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Speaker 7: I will Bess has grown up stuff.

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Speaker 14: But please, I'll carry the polls or a peg of

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Speaker 14: hooks and spikes.

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Speaker 7: Get your jacket, is it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: No, Andrew, don't bring the kid, I get come.

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Speaker 10: Yes, okay, okay, I love you, I love.

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Speaker 6: You, I love you.

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Speaker 1: And so they went like a tragic little parade. These

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Speaker 1: Elias Ring, Joseph Watkins, Andrew Blank, little William and this

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Speaker 1: guy James Lynde.

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Speaker 4: We were I can't stress this enough. We were extremely careful.

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Speaker 9: Loosen the rope on the side.

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Speaker 7: Attach it there.

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Speaker 6: This pole is heavy.

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Speaker 7: Lowered the hook when we see right there.

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Speaker 13: Oh that's what I don't I don't see.

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Speaker 5: It's her dress.

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Speaker 4: That's just something blue, Elias.

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Speaker 6: It could be anything.

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Speaker 7: Hold on, mister Watkins, the other poles.

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Speaker 13: Step back, Elias, that's an arm, mister, it's her.

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Speaker 6: I need a better grip.

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Speaker 15: Move Elias us armed.

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Speaker 9: I can't look William the rope.

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Speaker 14: I got a dad here, Back up, back up on

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Speaker 14: three three two one.

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Speaker 4: It was the worst thing I've ever seen her body. God,

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Speaker 4: she was gray and bloated and all bruised up.

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Speaker 6: Her hair, she was she was eviscerated.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know the girl, but my heart shattered

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Speaker 4: when I saw her.

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Speaker 5: And what about her clothes, mister Lint? What was the

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Speaker 5: state of her clothes? Oh? A mess.

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Speaker 4: She had no shoes on and her stockings were shredded,

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Speaker 4: like she'd been dragged. The worst was, yeah, I can't

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Speaker 4: say it.

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Speaker 5: Mister Lint. The worst was what please say? Everything you remember,

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Speaker 5: mister Lint.

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Speaker 4: Elma's dress was ripped open above the waist, her breasts

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Speaker 4: and stomach.

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Speaker 6: We're exposed. I started crying when he saw her like that.

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Speaker 16: Dear God, set set it down on my jack here,

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Speaker 16: get her repeat one, careful, careful, just like that one too, Godlas.

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Speaker 6: What can we do for you, buddy.

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Speaker 5: Anything you need?

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Speaker 4: Mister ring Should we get you home or go get

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Speaker 4: your wife maybe to comfort you.

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Speaker 5: Don't get him to find that monster.

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Speaker 6: What what did you say, Elias?

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Speaker 7: Find whom Elias will do it? Leave?

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Speaker 5: I go to the police and tell them to bring

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Speaker 5: Levi Weeks here.

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Speaker 1: Thou so Elias Ring's immediate thought when he saw Elma's

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Speaker 1: eviscerated corpse was Levi Weeks. James Lent was just trying

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Speaker 1: to help in the wake of this chaos and tragedy.

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Speaker 1: So as instructed, he went to find the nearest constable,

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Speaker 1: and the two of them looked for Levi, not to

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Speaker 1: arrest him or anything, just to give him the tragic news.

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Speaker 5: We checked the boarding house first.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, is Levi Weeks here?

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Speaker 10: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Officers? Is mister Weeks around?

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Speaker 10: He absolutely is?

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Speaker 2: Can you get him?

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Speaker 9: Please?

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Speaker 10: M hey, Leevai, you got some friends.

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Speaker 17: Here, mister Weeks. I'm sorry to say, but we have

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Speaker 17: some tragic news.

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Speaker 18: Oh is this about Alma?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 17: Yes, as a matter of fact, it is about Elma Stands.

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Speaker 2: This is hard to say.

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Speaker 5: But I'm so sorry, mister Weeks.

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Speaker 2: Elma was found dead about half an hour ago.

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Speaker 18: In the well.

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Speaker 9: How did you know?

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Speaker 18: Was it the Manhattan Wealth that they found her in?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 1: So, as soon as Levi saw the constable, he assumed

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Speaker 1: that Elma was dead, and then he knew exactly where

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Speaker 1: her body was found. This was almost such a pivotal

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Speaker 1: moment in this trial, but shocking as it is, cold

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Speaker 1: and let it go. He didn't ask James Lynn any

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Speaker 1: follow up questions about that interaction, and the defense lays,

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Speaker 1: kept going. And again Levi couldn't testify in this trial,

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Speaker 1: so no one could ask him. How he happened to

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Speaker 1: have all the details of the crime before anyone else.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just guessed, or maybe he knew. We'll never know.

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Speaker 1: Coldon called Joseph Watkins to the stand. Watkins was Catherine

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Speaker 1: and Elias's next door neighbor, one of the group of

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Speaker 5: What happened after James Lynt went to find Levi.

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Speaker 13: I stayed at the well. Alma was laid out on

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Speaker 13: right away. The list Benod's usually empty in January, so

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Speaker 13: people saw commotion and everyone wanted to see.

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Speaker 5: And when people came over and saw Alma's body, what

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Speaker 13: Mostly people were thanking God, that the mangled corpse wasn't

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Speaker 13: their wife or daughter.

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Speaker 2: The sun went.

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Speaker 13: Down, it got colder, and the crowds dispersed.

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Speaker 5: And then mister Watkins and.

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Speaker 13: Then Catherine Ring insisted they bring her home, the body.

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Speaker 13: I mean, Catherine said she wouldn't go home without Elma.

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Speaker 5: Did you help bring Alma's body back to Greenwich Street?

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Speaker 2: I did, sir.

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Speaker 13: Everyone expected services and a burial the next day, but

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Speaker 13: instead Catherine put Elma's body on display right outside the

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Speaker 1: Catherine displayed Elma's body just the way it was found

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Speaker 1: in the well, battered and broken, for anyone to come see.

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Speaker 1: Alma's mangled corpse represented the public's worst nightmare at this point,

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Speaker 1: an awful, grim idea of something unfathomable that had just

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Speaker 1: a time of hopefulness in America, a brand new century,

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Speaker 1: a new country full of possibility and hope. People weren't

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Speaker 1: supposed to die like this. People didn't kill each other,

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Speaker 1: especially young girls like this. It didn't make sense, and

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Speaker 1: that stressed everyone out. And Catherine Ring knew that the

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Speaker 1: public conscience was a powerful thing. Catherine showed them, a

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Speaker 1: brutally beaten girl, her cousin, her best friend, saying whoever

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Speaker 1: did this to her is still at large, and you

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Speaker 1: should care and you should be scared. And suddenly everyone

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Speaker 1: did care, and everyone was scared, and everyone knew about

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Speaker 1: Alma Sands because of Catherine. And inside the house.

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Speaker 18: Catherine, Catherine, Katherine, what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 11: There are five hundred people outside on the front.

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Speaker 6: Lawn, more actually maybe a thousand. What are you doing

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Speaker 6: making tea LEVI?

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Speaker 18: People are sketching Elma for the newspapers. Are our friends

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Speaker 18: are out there? Everybody is talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 18: This is the most hysterical, psychotic, irrational thing any woman

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Speaker 18: has ever done in the history of women.

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Speaker 6: I got everyone to pay attention.

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Speaker 18: Catherine, Please bring Elma inside now. I'm very uncomfortable. My

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Speaker 18: dentist is out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about your dentist.

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Speaker 10: I've never even been to a dentist.

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Speaker 15: Oh am I a doctor. No, I'm a dentist, which

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Speaker 15: is harder.

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Speaker 1: This witness. Doctor Richard Skinner, a very proud dentist, served

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Speaker 1: on the coroner's jury for this case. The coroner's jury

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Speaker 1: was an informal group who examined Elma's body and declared

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Speaker 1: her death a murder in the first place. And that's

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Speaker 1: so important. We'll get back to it later. But Coldon

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Speaker 1: counted on the dentists observations here to end the suicide

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Speaker 1: theory and solidify once and for all that Elma was,

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Speaker 1: without question.

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Speaker 9: Murdered, Doctor Skinner.

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Speaker 5: You saw Elma's body outside the boarding house.

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Speaker 9: Right, No, everybody in New York saw I But you

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Speaker 9: saw it up close, Sure did, sir. I can't unsee that.

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Speaker 5: Tell the jury what you saw, doctor Skinner? Like an autopsy.

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Speaker 15: Report, all right, So I've read a lot of autopsy reports.

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Speaker 15: I've never done one. Of course, I couldn't examine the

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Speaker 15: whole body. What was I going to do grab a

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Speaker 15: dead girl's boobs right in front of everyone.

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Speaker 5: Please excuse me doctor's tone.

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Speaker 11: I think you mean the dentist.

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Speaker 5: This is just how he talks.

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Speaker 8: Alma looked like she was killed by somebody.

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Speaker 15: Who really really wanted her out of the way dead.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know she was dead. She was like,

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Speaker 5: So Elma was killed by someone who knew her personal right.

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Speaker 15: Nobody would murder a stranger, especially a girl with such

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Speaker 15: vigor objection.

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Speaker 19: Conjecture, Doctor Skinner, describe what you saw, not your interpretations.

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Speaker 15: What I saw, your honor, was a mangled corpse, you know,

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Speaker 15: the same thing the paper said.

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Speaker 9: She was weathered like a rag doll.

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Speaker 5: What about the wounds, doctor Skinner described them? Please.

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Speaker 9: The first thing I noticed were the spots.

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Speaker 8: Were kind of spots, spots on her neck, mister Colden,

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Speaker 8: very specific spots, a row of four bruises, red brown, reddish, brownish, purpleish.

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Speaker 15: I'd say that that seemed to be created by fingers.

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Speaker 5: And in your opinion, doctor, could someone in flip to

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Speaker 5: wounds like this on their own body? Out?

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Speaker 9: No way. Now, Alma was choked.

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Speaker 7: Somebody dug their fingertips into her neck.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: And I'll tell you, folks, the defense's theory that Elma

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Speaker 15: could have strangled herself then thrown her own body into

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Speaker 15: the well.

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Speaker 9: It's delusional. It's ridiculous to me.

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Speaker 5: Objection, It's ridiculous to me to doctor Alma Sans did

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Speaker 5: not commit suicide. Nothing further.

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Speaker 12: Okay, doctor Skinner, Yes, mister Bird, but you're not a doctor, right,

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Speaker 12: so I'll call you dentist Skinner.

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Speaker 9: I am a doctor, mister Bird.

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Speaker 12: Not in the traditional.

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Speaker 1: Sense classic Aaron Burr. Why discredit the argument when you

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Speaker 1: can discredit the witness themselves?

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Speaker 12: What are all the possible injuries that may result in

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Speaker 12: reddish brownish purplish marks on the neck?

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Speaker 9: All the possible injuries?

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Speaker 11: Yes, list them please.

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Speaker 9: I couldn't list all of.

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Speaker 11: It, right because you're a dentist.

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Speaker 15: Proudly mister, but nobody could list all the possible cauts.

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Speaker 12: This is not a credible witness, your honor.

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Speaker 9: I'm the lifeblood of American mouths.

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Speaker 15: Dentists are extremely important to the medical field.

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Speaker 9: I quite literally help people smile.

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Speaker 5: My witness is describing what he saw on the court.

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Speaker 12: He's making interpretations, and the defense has nothing further for

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Speaker 12: the dentist.

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Speaker 11: Thanks.

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Speaker 5: Okay, fine, I'll call my next expert. Witness, your honor,

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Speaker 5: co founder of Bellevue Hospital, Princeton graduate, esteemed for his

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Speaker 5: cutting edge pseudorific treatment of the yellow fever, doctor David Hosek.

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Speaker 1: As you can tell, Coldon was pretty hype to have

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Speaker 1: this guy testify for him.

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Speaker 3: David Hoseak was a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: He'd go on to be that doctor who attended to

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Speaker 1: Hamilton after Burr fatally shot him in their eighteen oh

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Speaker 1: four duel. But at the time of this trial, Hoseak

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Speaker 1: was a celebrity doctor. He was young and handsome and

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Speaker 1: a close personal friend of both Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: who up to this point had never shot at each other,

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Speaker 1: though they probably thought about it.

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Speaker 11: Oh what, doctor h Hozak. You didn't tell me you'd

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Speaker 11: be here.

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Speaker 6: I was on a confidential witness Liz, gentlemen.

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Speaker 11: You sly dog.

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Speaker 12: I've been here all day.

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Speaker 6: I've been sitting in the back slow burn so far.

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Speaker 12: Huh. A prosecution is taking its sweet tragic time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that would be getting out of here.

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Speaker 12: We did too, trust.

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Speaker 5: Me, Doctor Hosak, please approach the stands.

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Speaker 11: So good to see you, man.

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Speaker 6: Did you uh sort out your situation?

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Speaker 5: I have no situation? Wait, so you three are friends.

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Speaker 20: David Hoseac saved Philip's life when he was fifteen.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, who's.

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Speaker 12: Philip Alexander's son? Even I know that.

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Speaker 20: Greatest doctor in New York City?

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Speaker 19: Right here, folks, mister Colden, the court is standing by

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Speaker 19: for your witness.

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Speaker 5: I called doctor Hosak already, sir. I'm waiting for him

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Speaker 5: to finish socializing with the defensive leaders.

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Speaker 11: We'll catch up later.

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Speaker 6: Doc, All right, let's get this show on the road.

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Speaker 5: Doctor hosts, will you be able to be impartial here?

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Speaker 5: Given your friendship with my opponents.

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Speaker 6: I'm a professional, mister coldon.

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Speaker 5: Good, so my colleagues, your friends will find your testimony unimpeachable.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with mister Burr's unanswerable question. What are all

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Speaker 5: the injuries that may result in reddish brownish purplish marks

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Speaker 5: on the neck?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'd say opium overdose, strike by lightning, arsenic poisoning,

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Speaker 4: or es sack.

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Speaker 5: You saw the wounds on Alma San's neck up close, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I did? And do you think a row of four small,

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Speaker 5: circular bruises could have been caused by an opium overdose

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Speaker 5: or a lightning strike.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying it could have been anything. The injuries were unclear.

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Speaker 5: But the injuries were definitely the result of violence, right.

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Speaker 6: Violence in the broad sense, Yes.

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Speaker 5: A violent effort by another person to make Alma stop breathing.

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Speaker 5: Is that correct interpretation? I'll rephrase. Is it correct that

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Speaker 5: another person broke Alma's neck?

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Speaker 11: Probably?

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Speaker 5: Yes? So she could not have committed suicide if another

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Speaker 5: person broke her neck, right.

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Speaker 6: That is a correct statement, mister Colder.

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Speaker 5: So if Elma did not commit suicide, she died by strangulation.

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Speaker 5: And if the defendant was the last person to see

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Speaker 5: Elma alive, then he clearly strangled her. What more proof

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Speaker 5: do we lit?

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Speaker 11: Objection?

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Speaker 5: Objection, Thank you doctor Hosak for proving that Elma was murdering.

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Speaker 19: Nothing further, Defense counsel any day, now for your cross examination.

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Speaker 9: We're good, your honor, what you're good, mister Burke.

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Speaker 12: The defense counsel does not wish to cross examine doctor Hoseac.

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Speaker 11: You'r honor. We're good to keep.

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Speaker 9: Going, all right, then, doctor Hoseac, please step down.

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Speaker 1: So doctor Hoseak was definitely a twist for the defense.

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Speaker 1: Lawyers Hamilton and Burr were not expecting their friend to

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Speaker 1: testify for the prosecution, so they chose not to cross

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Speaker 1: examine him because they didn't know what he'd say.

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Speaker 19: All right, who's next, colden, Uh, that's all I've got,

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Speaker 19: your honor, that's all my witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Besides, it was their time to shine.

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Speaker 19: Oh well then, mister Burr, mister Hamilton, europe a case

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Speaker 19: for the defense begins.

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Speaker 9: Now, gentlemen of the jury.

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Speaker 12: Hello, the real attorneys will take it from here.

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Speaker 9: Your opening statement, mister Burr.

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Speaker 12: I want these jurors to know they're heroes. Gentlemen, you

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Speaker 12: are the new system, You are justice, You are greats.

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Speaker 5: We love you, We really do.

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Speaker 12: You've listened to fourteen hours of testimony that consisted of,

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Speaker 12: let's be honest, purely circumstantial evidence. Your patience is admirable.

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Speaker 11: Thank you. I'll just say one thing. When Catherine Ring

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Speaker 11: put the.

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Speaker 12: Victim's corpse on display, she made it impossible for you

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Speaker 12: to come.

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Speaker 11: In here impartial.

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Speaker 12: Today she inflamed public opinion against my client. If you've

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Speaker 12: been in New York in recent months, you've heard nasty

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Speaker 12: rumors about Levi Weeks. Thus Levi is an unfair disadvantage heir.

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Speaker 9: Projection, not during an opening statement, coldon.

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Speaker 12: Look at this young boy before us, gentlemen, Levi Weeks

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Speaker 12: is an honest, promising, innocent architect who fell for.

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Speaker 11: The wrong girl. We can all relate to that.

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Speaker 12: Elma Sands was destitute and talentless, dependent on the rings

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Speaker 12: then Levi for survival. Whether she ended her own dismal

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Speaker 12: life or somebody helped her do it, perhaps will never know.

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Speaker 12: But Elma's death had nothing to do with Levi Weeks

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Speaker 12: and everything to do with her toxic home environment.

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Speaker 20: We'll call our first witness.

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Speaker 1: So the defense calls this kid, Ezra Lacey, who briefly

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Speaker 1: boarded at two o eight Greenwich Street.

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Speaker 20: Mister Lacy, after the victim's body was found, how did

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Speaker 20: people treat Levi.

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Speaker 5: Weeks leading the witness?

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Speaker 20: How did people act towards Levi?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Mean, hostile?

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Speaker 10: He became a social pariah because you know, everyone thought

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Speaker 10: he killed Elma. So he started hiding, staying at his

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Speaker 10: brother's house. Most knights not coming around Greenistry very much.

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Speaker 20: So he was paying rent at the boardinghouse, but he

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Speaker 20: wasn't welcome there.

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Speaker 10: He was welcome, but you know, no one was going

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Speaker 10: to talk to him or look him at the eye.

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Speaker 20: How would it feel, mister Lacey, if nobody would look

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Speaker 20: you in the eye.

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Speaker 1: So Lacy told the jury about Elias Ring, the drunk

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Speaker 1: landlord of the boarding house, specifically about an interaction that

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Speaker 1: he had with Elias after Alma's body was found, before

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Speaker 1: Levi was arrested.

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Speaker 2: Lacy, have you seen Weeks.

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Speaker 10: I haven't seen Levi in about a week. Actually, good,

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Speaker 10: maybe he's dead. I don't think he's dead, sir.

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Speaker 8: Well, I hope he never shows his hideous face in

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Speaker 8: my house again.

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Speaker 10: Well, his trunks are still upstairs.

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Speaker 15: I hope he gets his trunks out of here and

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Speaker 15: he never shows his hideous face my house again.

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Speaker 5: If I ran into Levi Weeks in a dark alley,

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Speaker 5: do you know what I would do. I'd look him

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Speaker 5: in the eye and then I'd put a bullet in

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Speaker 5: his chest.

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Speaker 12: Pa, that's terrifying. Elias Ring sounds like a dangerous man.

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Speaker 5: Objection's speculation, you're honor.

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Speaker 9: My husband is not dangerous.

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Speaker 10: He's on steady and he drinks.

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Speaker 9: Mister Colden, say something.

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Speaker 5: The bias Ring can't drink.

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Speaker 6: He's Quaker.

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Speaker 11: You know some Quakers drink. But this is all very hopeful.

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Speaker 7: Mister Lacy, mister Colton.

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Speaker 2: They're making Elias sound terrible.

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Speaker 9: None of this is rice.

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Speaker 5: Yes, your honor, Persecuting Elias Ring is unreasonable and irrelevant

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Speaker 5: in the case against Levi. Week.

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Speaker 11: We just heard that elias Ring threatened Levi so he

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Speaker 11: was home at.

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Speaker 5: The time of the murder. That's an alibi.

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Speaker 20: Coldon so proud he knows the word alibi.

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Speaker 3: The Colden was right.

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Speaker 1: The defense lawyers were running an elaborate distraction to turn

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Speaker 1: heads away from their client towards Elias Ring. And yes,

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Speaker 1: Alma's uncle Elias was drunk and unpredictable and potentially really dangerous,

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Speaker 1: but people saw him at home the night of the murder.

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Speaker 1: He could not have killed Alma.

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Speaker 12: Mister Lacy, how did Elias Ring act towards Alma?

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Speaker 10: Obsessed with her in a bad way.

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Speaker 5: We're still on this Elias thing.

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Speaker 10: Elias Ring smothered Alma.

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Speaker 20: Yes, he smothered her. He made her life completely miserable.

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Speaker 12: Alma couldn't bear to live under mister Ring's control anymore, so.

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Speaker 20: She took her own life to escape the horrors of

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Speaker 20: two away granted.

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Speaker 1: Strip So the defense's case relied on two things besides

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Speaker 1: distracting the jury as much as they possibly could with tangents.

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Speaker 1: One the idea that Alma had this depressing, miserable life

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Speaker 1: and ended it herself that night. And two, the characterization

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Speaker 1: promising and needed a new start, unburdened by the death

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Speaker 12: We're excited to see Levi walk out of here a

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Speaker 12: freeman in a few hours.

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Speaker 6: The defense call, your honor. We've been sitting here for

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Speaker 6: fourteen hours already.

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Speaker 9: Counsel your witness.

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Speaker 7: The jury requests an adjournment.

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Speaker 11: An adjournment.

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Speaker 12: You imagine we're in the middle of winning this case.

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Speaker 11: You can interrupt us.

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Speaker 9: Lacks, mister Burr, gentlemen, sit up, power through.

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Speaker 6: We need to sleep, your honor, Your honor?

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Speaker 11: Come on, How would an adjournment possibly work?

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Speaker 5: Your honor?

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Speaker 9: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 11: You're thinking about it, sir.

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Speaker 19: What about our witnesses, Sir constable, Yes, your honor?

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Speaker 9: If we adjourn, where could they sleep?

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Speaker 2: All of the jurors, your honor?

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Speaker 11: Hold on your honor.

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Speaker 12: We're about to exonerate le by week.

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Speaker 9: There's no way we'd have to keep them sequestered. What

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Speaker 9: do you mean sequestered? I can't go home.

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Speaker 5: My wife will.

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Speaker 11: I hate this.

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Speaker 19: We're in the middle of a murder trial. The jurors

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Speaker 19: clearly can't go anywhere. Where can twelve men sleep comfortably

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Speaker 19: together in New York City on short notice?

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Speaker 1: And of the many unprecedented elements of these proceedings, this

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Speaker 1: one might be the most bizarre. There had never been

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Speaker 1: a court case this contentious, with this much drama and

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Speaker 1: debate that would require another full trial day.

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Speaker 2: It's your honor, I don't.

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Speaker 9: Just put them in the picture room. Okay, that feels

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Speaker 9: right to me. Are we really adjourney, sir?

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Speaker 19: This wasn't the plan, Constable, Can you get the jurors

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Speaker 19: some refreshments?

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Speaker 9: Sure? All right, Dan?

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Speaker 19: The court adjourns until ten am tomorrow morning. We'll finish

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Speaker 19: here in the defense's case and come to a verdict.

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Speaker 11: Your honor.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of day one, everybody went home

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Speaker 1: except the jurors, who slept on the floor of a

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Speaker 1: could procure. And just to really illustrate this, folks, these

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Speaker 1: jurors were like Manhattan's elite merchants and politicians and bank

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Speaker 1: trustees and businessmen. It was truly a jury of Levi,

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Speaker 1: Burr and Hamilton's peers. Right now in New York City,

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Speaker 1: the guys that served on this jury have streets and

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Speaker 1: monuments named after them. Their legacies are alive and well.

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Speaker 1: The night of March thirty first, eighteen hundred, they all

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Speaker 1: slept together on the floor for six or seven hours

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Speaker 1: before reporting back for Joey service. The next morning, It's hilarious,

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Speaker 1: Sweet dreams everyone. Meanwhile, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton probably

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Speaker 1: didn't sleep. They were probably preparing for their lineup of

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Speaker 1: all star witnesses the following morning. They also convinced one

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Speaker 1: of Colin's key I witnesses to change their entire testimony overnight.

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Speaker 1: In the next episode, the defense attorneys come out swinging.

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