Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Hell that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm.
Speaker 2: For I've heard so many players say, well, I want
Speaker 2: to be happy, you want to be happy for.
Speaker 1: Dake Edo State? Is that woo woom?
Speaker 2: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal
Speaker 2: Boys and girls. My name is ty hilden Brandt. That
Speaker 2: fine gentleman over there, his name is Dan Rubinstein and
Speaker 2: alas we are the solid verbal.
Speaker 1: At long last in preview mode, Dan, how are you, Ty?
Speaker 1: I am hydrated, I am caffeinated. I took advil just
Speaker 1: in case. Not a sponsor, anti inflammatory shout out to
Speaker 1: all of you. And I don't know the significance of
Speaker 1: this conference preview in terms of what it actually means
Speaker 1: going forward for whatever happens these next few months with
Speaker 1: college football and the rest of the world. But as
Speaker 1: somebody who has led a nomadic existence since late month March,
Speaker 1: we're talking, oh, six pairs of underwear, Max, We're talking total.
Speaker 1: I probably left three to four pairs of socks back
Speaker 1: in California. We're talking my toddler, My eighteen month old
Speaker 1: toddler definitely practices better hygiene at moments than I do.
Speaker 1: This single sliver this droplet of normalcy. Tie that we
Speaker 1: get to do a conference preview on this show after
Speaker 1: what Earth has looked like in twenty twenty. It brings
Speaker 1: me so much joy that I had to harness it
Speaker 1: by listening to both ACDC and Rage against the Machine
Speaker 1: waiting for you to connect for this show. So I
Speaker 1: am thrilled to be here, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am fired up. I'm a little worried that
Speaker 2: we're gonna run and burn hot out of the gate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got to pace ourselves here as we've got a Big
Speaker 2: twelve preview before us. It's our first in preparation for
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty football season. We are starting to see
Speaker 2: a little bit more about what that season might look like,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that as we do a quick
Speaker 2: news hit at the top here before diving into the
Speaker 2: Big twelve. But doesn't matter what happens the rest of
Speaker 2: the way. They could scrap the whole damn thing tomorrow.
Speaker 2: At least we'll have one preview, Dan, and.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you, and maybe you would echo the
Speaker 2: same sentiment. How good it felt to sink your teeth
Speaker 2: into some Kansas offense twenty twenty or West Virginia Running
Speaker 2: Game twenty twenty. It felt surprisingly good to even look
Speaker 2: at the bad spots of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people have those trashy romance and sexy novels
Speaker 1: to distract them from their life or the world at
Speaker 1: large and all of their problems. I suppose I have
Speaker 1: Malik Knowles, Andrew Parson, and Tylan Wallace while it's coming
Speaker 1: back from an ACL and we've got a couple of
Speaker 1: ACL injury returns, so it was a nice escape. And
Speaker 1: I am I am hoping for the absolute best in
Speaker 1: terms of not just this Big Twelve conference preview portending
Speaker 1: things that we can react to during the actual season,
Speaker 1: but across the board college football things, and I am
Speaker 1: hopeful for improvement with everything surrounding the sport and the universe.
Speaker 1: And we're just gonna we're gonna go from there all.
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Speaker 2: you know I've said it a bunch of times, you
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Speaker 2: start using that more frequently as we get into the
Speaker 2: college football season here Dan.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we don't want to spam you. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to spam people.
Speaker 2: And frankly, there hasn't been a lot of good stuff
Speaker 2: to talk about. Like we try to be positive if
Speaker 2: we're going to be sending stuff to your inbox, and
Speaker 2: hasn't been a whole lot of that so far. In
Speaker 2: this young or old or whatever you want to call
Speaker 2: it preseason that we've got so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've pitched a weekly visual, a photo segment in
Speaker 1: the newsletter for the season. It's the race to an
Speaker 1: eight pack. And I don't know if I'm fully on
Speaker 1: board with that, but like a week to week progress report,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But we're
Speaker 1: pitching things to each other constantly about what the newsletter
Speaker 1: is going to look like and how we're going to
Speaker 1: be adding to it and making it more. And this
Speaker 1: is the favorite world of everybody who covers the sport dynamic.
Speaker 2: Dynamic, Yeah, the eight pack's all about lighting. I would
Speaker 2: add just as a pro that it's all about the lighting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: makeup and shading for me. Do you want to get
Speaker 2: into some news?
Speaker 1: I do want to get into news. Let's do it
Speaker 1: Pricket news.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to really go for it today.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of information to transfer. I don't
Speaker 2: want to ruin my voice. Okay, so we'll start here.
Speaker 2: I'll follow your lead in this weird, funny form of
Speaker 2: a preseason that we've been living through. As the season
Speaker 2: does start to take shape, So have some conference schedules.
Speaker 2: We saw that from what the big ten in the
Speaker 2: ACC dan. Yeah, we knew the ACC schedule in terms
Speaker 2: of what the home and road splits were going to
Speaker 2: look like before, so we talked about that some of
Speaker 2: the bigger winners and some of the bigger losers. But
Speaker 2: in terms of where bye weeks land and where you
Speaker 2: know there could be let down, look ahead sandwiches land
Speaker 2: and you know, tough back to backs and road stretches whatever,
Speaker 2: we didn't have a full concept of that. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you looked at what Notre Dame schedule look like, which
Speaker 2: is pretty good. Not the way Notre Dame schedule works out.
Speaker 2: They have who Western Michigan is.
Speaker 1: They're confirmed correct non conference plus one uh Pitt big loser.
Speaker 1: I chance Pitt has the final first open week on
Speaker 1: the ACC schedule. They're the only team that I think
Speaker 1: they play what what's looking like seven straight games to
Speaker 1: open the season without an open date, whereas everybody else
Speaker 1: has one within I don't know, three or four weeks.
Speaker 1: So there's that. Otherwise, Clemson schedule looks pretty great. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting end to their year. They have pit sandwich
Speaker 1: between road games at Florida State and Virginia Tech. But
Speaker 1: road games are not road games in twenty twenty in
Speaker 1: the way that they've been, in the way that we're
Speaker 1: used to. Louisville has a pretty interesting schedule. The middle
Speaker 1: of their schedule gets a little bit tricky, but the
Speaker 1: bread part of that that schedule sandwich is fine. So
Speaker 1: the powers that be in the ACC, at least the
Speaker 1: ones that we perceive them to be, look pretty good.
Speaker 1: We have what two open dates for each of these teams,
Speaker 1: and the championship game will either be on December twelfth
Speaker 1: or December the nineteenth.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. And also in the scheduling department,
Speaker 2: we mentioned the big ten, you know, the first thing
Speaker 2: that jumps out at me, and looking at this schedule
Speaker 2: matrix here, if Ohio State does not run right through
Speaker 2: this schedule, then something's wrong. Maybe half their team ops out.
Speaker 2: I suppose that's a possibility. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: some of those notable opt outs next. But starting your
Speaker 2: season with Illinois, Rutgers, Perdue, Indiana, and then Abye is
Speaker 2: a pretty good way to go four to zero. Then
Speaker 2: it's also a pretty good way to ramp up to
Speaker 2: I think your toughest game of the year in Penn
Speaker 2: State in going from Nebraska to Michigan State, to Michigan
Speaker 2: to Maryland and then Penn State. So they're like they
Speaker 2: have a natural little ramp up there to the tougher
Speaker 2: part of their schedule. It culminates in what they're calling
Speaker 2: Week ten, first week in November against Penn State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most teams have two consecutive tough games Minnesota out
Speaker 1: the shoot is Michigan State, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and then
Speaker 1: we'll see about Nebraska. I know you're pretty high on
Speaker 1: the Huskers, and three of those five are on the road.
Speaker 1: I looked for sandwiches here Ty and the team, the
Speaker 1: meat occupying the letdown look ahead sandwiches that I kept
Speaker 1: coming across as Rutgers. So I don't know how profoundly
Speaker 1: difficult the letdown look ahead sandwich situation is in the
Speaker 1: Big ten if we're to get a full season, But
Speaker 1: we won't really know until we have a sense after
Speaker 1: three or four weeks what teams look like.
Speaker 2: Both.
Speaker 1: I think Penn State and Ohio State get the Michigan
Speaker 1: schools and consecutive weeks we'll see what mel Tucker's spartans
Speaker 1: look like to sort of manage or figure out how
Speaker 1: dangerous that actually is. We get Ohio State Illinois to
Speaker 1: open the season on a Thursday night, that would be
Speaker 1: the third I believe of September. And the other big
Speaker 1: notable thing is some of the classic traditional rivalry games.
Speaker 1: And I know the Big Ten has a number of
Speaker 1: those big trophy games, but the biggest of the big
Speaker 1: they're sort of spread out through the season. We have
Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State on the twenty fourth of October instead
Speaker 1: of what the second or third week of November. We
Speaker 1: have the Acts Minnesota Wisconsin's in week four. Obviously no
Speaker 1: Syhawk because there's no non conference for Iowa Iowa State,
Speaker 1: but Iowa Nebraska has been that final week game and
Speaker 1: that's now week four as well. So the Big Ten
Speaker 1: sending a not so subtle message of we don't know
Speaker 1: how long the season's going to last. We would love
Speaker 1: for our bigger games to enter into the eyeballs of
Speaker 1: America no matter what. So, yeah, Penn State Ohio State
Speaker 1: is later on in the season, so I mean it's
Speaker 1: a giant win. If we get to that far in
Speaker 1: the season and we get that game, it's in Happy Valley. Correct, correct, correct.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll do like we'll, will the entire
Speaker 1: sideline just wear white as like a white out express.
Speaker 2: In Michigan's schedule matrix in particular, I forget which game,
Speaker 2: but one of the games was labeled as a maze out,
Speaker 2: which we'll see.
Speaker 1: How that Okay, how that goes.
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that when we get to the
Speaker 2: Big Ten preview, but it is notable that we're starting
Speaker 2: to see dates for starting to see schedules out there,
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll talk more about that certainly as
Speaker 2: we move through our previews. The other component of this
Speaker 2: here is the opt outs.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We talked about Caleb Farley on I Guess two of
Speaker 2: our last three episodes, him opting out for his own reasons,
Speaker 2: and since then we've seen Rashad Bateman, notable wide receiver
Speaker 2: from Minnesota. We've seen Micah Parsons arguably Penn State's best
Speaker 2: player and will be the top defensive player in the country,
Speaker 2: top defensive player in the country, and Gregory Rousseau from Miami,
Speaker 2: a red shirt freshman, opting out as well. I saw
Speaker 2: our friend Adam Kramer from Bleacher Report commenting on Twitter
Speaker 2: that after the Micah Parsons news broke, he was expecting
Speaker 2: something of a wave that perhaps that gave clearance for
Speaker 2: other big name, notable players to follow suit. So I
Speaker 2: am bracing a bit for who may be next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gregor Russo had a terrific red shirt freshman year
Speaker 1: last season and has already been considered to be a
Speaker 1: top ten ish and maybe the best. You know, Edd
Speaker 1: Rusher in this upcoming NFL draft, And I don't not
Speaker 1: that I've seen him say anything that he's going to
Speaker 1: focus on preparing for the draft, just that he was
Speaker 1: opting out for safety concerns, right, So, I mean, he
Speaker 1: certainly has a lot of eligibility left, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: something to monitor. There's all sorts of context. Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: at Florida State said that he very much wants to play,
Speaker 1: and I think there was a headline that sort of
Speaker 1: misconstrued his words that he said that opting out in
Speaker 1: the way that you know PAC twelve and now Big
Speaker 1: ten players in their United Way and in the list
Speaker 1: of asks from their conferences. It was sort of misconstrued
Speaker 1: because he used the phrase the easy way out, but
Speaker 1: it was it was more about Marvin Wilson saying he
Speaker 1: decided to come back and not explore his NFL potential,
Speaker 1: and so the easy way out would be to not
Speaker 1: play and just sit around. And so he very much
Speaker 1: is enthusiastic about playing with his teammates. So it's I'm
Speaker 1: glad there's a conversation around it. I'm glad players are
Speaker 1: just deciding what's best for them, whether that is playing
Speaker 1: or not playing. And it's it's refreshing to see so
Speaker 1: many players using their voices this way. So okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: there will be more. I keep seeing that from going
Speaker 1: to be more college writers, NFL writers is going to
Speaker 1: be more.
Speaker 2: And that's okay, we get it, we get it, we
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, one d per, we get it. The
Speaker 2: other interesting tidbit i'd add here before we move on
Speaker 2: to Yukon canceling its season for the quote unquote pandemic.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the arguments against spring I'm not
Speaker 2: like advocating for a spring move here though we've talked
Speaker 2: a lot about it, but one of the comments against
Speaker 2: a spring season is, oh, well, the big names are
Speaker 2: just going to opt out. Well they're opting out anyway,
Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see where this goes, but more
Speaker 2: to come here.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Yukon. They canceled their season, they opted out
Speaker 2: of their season. It's notable here that they credited the
Speaker 2: pandemic for it, and I do think that is obviously
Speaker 2: the underlying and main reason why. However, Yukon's independent school
Speaker 2: they lost a bunch of games on their schedule. In
Speaker 2: a very weird and cruel Twitter world, I saw a
Speaker 2: lot of commentary around, oh Yukon.
Speaker 1: Still plays all is still?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, I'm just I gotta
Speaker 2: mention it.
Speaker 1: Damn Orlovsky's school sucks that there's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna be Yukon football. We love talking about Yukon
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: Wow, well, ty Le's words are important here. We love
Speaker 1: talking Yukon football. Come on, we love.
Speaker 2: It's the roots of Sexier than Edzel.
Speaker 1: That's true, that is true. Uh yeah, it's a bummer.
Speaker 1: I like football, bummer. I have no problem with the
Speaker 1: state of Connecticut. I've enjoyed watching Khalid la Meine play
Speaker 1: basketball way back when. Yeah. Sure, yeah. And it was
Speaker 1: notable that Randy Edsel mentioned that it was a big
Speaker 1: conversation with players all deciding that this was best for them.
Speaker 1: And that's also fine. Did you see the coaches poll came.
Speaker 2: Out coaches Pole, That's where I was going. Next, we
Speaker 2: have Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU as you were
Speaker 2: top five, Oklahoma notably is six. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about them in just a little bit. We will have
Speaker 2: a lively discussion, I believe, over whether Texas at fourteen
Speaker 2: deserves to be over Oklahoma State at sixteen. Of course,
Speaker 2: none of this really matters because it's a coach's preseason poll,
Speaker 2: but it is fodder for idiots like us on a
Speaker 2: weird podcast like this in you know, mid August, to
Speaker 2: be able to have something to talk about. So any
Speaker 2: big surprises, we got to move on and talk about
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. But any really big surprises to you.
Speaker 1: No, not especially good to see UCF and Cincinnati check
Speaker 1: in at I think it's twenty one and twenty two,
Speaker 1: and then seeing Tennessee, Boise and ASU on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in as the I think the lead others receiving votes.
Speaker 1: Schools all seems to make sense a lot of the
Speaker 1: schools that are on the outside looking and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm high on Louisville tie you know, I'm
Speaker 1: high on Louisville. I think they're a top twenty five
Speaker 1: caliber team and perhaps don't have as many questions as
Speaker 1: these other schools that didn't make it into the top
Speaker 1: twenty five, even though the defense does need to improve.
Speaker 1: We'll get to Louisville at a certain point. But no, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing seems dramatically off at this point because these teams
Speaker 1: didn't even play in the spring. Noice seems we'll know
Speaker 1: how the fall camp. Have no idea. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a very different type of early season. Whatever it
Speaker 1: looks like.
Speaker 2: All right, well again right in sliverbe at gmail dot
Speaker 2: com if any of these news bullets inspire you to
Speaker 2: do so, or if you just want to say hi, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're always here. Okay, so the Big Twelve, Dan, I
Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't have a sound to play
Speaker 2: for the Big Twelve. How about this one? That's kind
Speaker 2: of how I feel about the Big Twelve this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is not the deepest conference, is it. No?
Speaker 1: And it's funny I've mentioned in years past where it
Speaker 1: seems like, oh my god, there's so many good quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. It's so interesting that you know,
Speaker 1: even if a team is pretty flawed that they have
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, like a West Virginia with Will Greer
Speaker 1: or whoever Brandon Whedon with Oklahoma State. I was looking
Speaker 1: through some old list of Big twelve quarterbacks, and there
Speaker 1: are some years where like twenty eleven was great. It
Speaker 1: was like casual dress. James Franklin and Colin Klein were
Speaker 1: like the fifth and sixth best quarterbacks. That's a hell
Speaker 1: of a hell of a year in terms of quarterback depth.
Speaker 1: But there were some years like thirteen fourteen where you're
Speaker 1: talking steal Jance and Clint chellf you'll jet steal within
Speaker 1: l e at the end, I believe, yeah, chance with
Speaker 1: a Z, I'll due respect. But there were some years
Speaker 1: there was like, oh, it's Bryce Petty and nobody else.
Speaker 1: So I think, I don't know if it's one of
Speaker 1: those type of years. I think the floor is pretty high.
Speaker 1: But in terms of headlining quarterbacks specifically, and it's certainly
Speaker 1: a football team is much more than just a quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's tricky. I don't know if spicy is how I
Speaker 1: would describe it, but you know, there's some cayenne dust
Speaker 1: in there to be clear.
Speaker 2: The floor is still Kansas. It might be about an
Speaker 2: inch or two higher than it was a year ago.
Speaker 2: We'll get into that and much much more, but general impressions,
Speaker 2: general questions looking aroun the Big Twelve. I don't know
Speaker 2: if anything struck you. I know one thing that struck me.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the quarterback spot, and we'll get into that
Speaker 2: as well. The quarterback position is a huge question mark
Speaker 2: for me. We know a lot about Sam Ellinger and
Speaker 2: Brock Party and even Spencer Sanders, but really questions abound
Speaker 2: across the board. I am, in particular very curious about
Speaker 2: that number two spot.
Speaker 1: In the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: You know, like I think we would probably agree that
Speaker 2: Oklahoma is still the team to beat until proven otherwise.
Speaker 2: But definitely Oklahoma State and Texas are of particular intrigue
Speaker 2: to me In Iowa State. Iowa State's gotten a lot
Speaker 2: better with regard to recruiting. Their depth is a lot better.
Speaker 2: We know we like Brock Party and Breece Hall. Defensively,
Speaker 2: they've done a lot of cool stuff over the last
Speaker 2: three years under Matt Campbell. That to me is the
Speaker 2: real open question. I'm not going to throw TCU in there.
Speaker 2: I don't want to commit the sins of the past
Speaker 2: and dive back in head first TCU, though there is
Speaker 2: reason be excited about their defense, but in particular that
Speaker 2: number two spot in the conference for me is what
Speaker 2: I'm most interested in right now.
Speaker 1: You love talking number two, You love talking number two
Speaker 1: of the deuces. Yeah, last year, I mean number two
Speaker 1: to me is it's year two for all sorts of
Speaker 1: head coaches. Right, It's year one for David at Baylor.
Speaker 1: So good but so good. But Matt Wells and Neil
Speaker 1: Brown and Less Miles and Chris climb and all entered
Speaker 1: their second year. So last year it seemed like those
Speaker 1: a lot of upheaval and like, what do we expect
Speaker 1: from year one out of these guys, and what type
Speaker 1: of continuity can we expect after you? Dania Holgerson had
Speaker 1: so much success, and Bill Snyder had so much success,
Speaker 1: and you know, Texas Tech had all sorts of up
Speaker 1: and down situation with their coaches over these last few years.
Speaker 1: But Cliff Kingsbury was fun. Don't get me wrong, Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury was fun. We only have one new coach and
Speaker 1: David Randas, so we I think we know what to
Speaker 1: expect more and we're just more curious about the next
Speaker 1: step more so than what are they going to look?
Speaker 1: So that to me is interesting. That is for sure interesting.
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's another year of just a wide,
Speaker 1: wide open middle class of the conference. So here's the
Speaker 1: way that we structured it. Last year.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of positive feedback. Yeah, when it
Speaker 2: came to previewing conferences, but each of us went through.
Speaker 2: I took half of the conference. You took half the conference.
Speaker 2: Both of us looked at all of the conference, obviously
Speaker 2: to be able to talk about it. But in looking through,
Speaker 2: we formulated questions about each team, questions that we think
Speaker 2: are a good build into just where is this thing
Speaker 2: going to go in twenty twenty. Let's start at the
Speaker 2: top with Oklahoma. I know you did the deep dive
Speaker 2: of the Sooners, but I guess as you look at
Speaker 2: this team and what they did last year under Alex Grinch,
Speaker 2: there is no denying that there was improvement in the
Speaker 2: first year, a much better job of creating those havoc
Speaker 2: plays that our friend Bill Connolly calls them and likes
Speaker 2: to talk about plays behind the line of scrimmage. It's
Speaker 2: sort of Alex Frinch's thing, right, Is there now a
Speaker 2: legit reason to believe that the defense is going to
Speaker 2: take a big enough step forward that they're going to
Speaker 2: be just like a little dangerous to complement the offense.
Speaker 2: In so doing, they'd be so much of a better team,
Speaker 2: they'd be so much more formidable on the national stage.
Speaker 2: Is there hope for that in twenty twenty? Yes, but
Speaker 2: but okay, so yes there is. I mean, so the
Speaker 2: secondary is largely intact. They have to deal with I
Speaker 2: don't know how long exactly. Ronnie Perkins is going to
Speaker 2: be suspended because he was suspended if you remember before
Speaker 2: the Peach Bowl against LSU a rush and for Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: really talented, and he was going to be suspended for
Speaker 2: the first five games of twenty twenty. Whether that's adjusted
Speaker 2: now that it's a shorter schedule unclear, unclear at this moment.
Speaker 2: But upfront, they're going to be I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: be fine. They're gonna be a little bit different, especially
Speaker 2: without Ronnie Perkins. The're gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 2: They were thinking that they're gonna get Caleb Kelly back
Speaker 2: in the middle of that linebacking corps, but he hurt
Speaker 2: himself once again. He missed twenty nineteen with an ACL injury.
Speaker 2: I think it looks like it's the same thing for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so that's a pretty significant bummer. The weird
Speaker 2: thing to me though about Oklahoma is they've struggled with
Speaker 2: the fact that the offense scores so quickly that they
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily have the depth to play so many snaps
Speaker 2: on defense because they've had this crazy prolific offense all
Speaker 2: these years, you know, be it with Baker Mayfield or
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray or last year with Jalen Hurts. So they
Speaker 2: have built up the depth on defense, which is great
Speaker 2: this year. Interestingly enough, the offense to me seems to
Speaker 2: be the overhauled side of the ball, just because Spencer
Speaker 2: Ratler now steps in and he's had experienced former number
Speaker 2: one overall quarterback recruit, and they're pretty beat up at receiver.
Speaker 2: They lose Ceede Lamb from last season, and a couple
Speaker 2: of guys Jaydon Hazelwood and Theo Howard go down in
Speaker 2: the offseason hurt. They lost a receiver named Bridges who
Speaker 2: was promising, I think a former five star. He was
Speaker 2: suspended and he's also in that that Ronnie Perkins situation
Speaker 2: of suspended for a few games to start the year.
Speaker 2: The good news for the offense is the offensive line
Speaker 2: is in good shape and Lincoln Riley is still the
Speaker 2: one wearing a headset and telling the offense what plays
Speaker 2: to run. But you know, hold on on that point
Speaker 2: there for a second, please, Spencer Rattler is a lot
Speaker 2: less experienced than any quarterback that Lincoln Riley's had in
Speaker 2: his time at Oklahoma. Now, I think I think we've
Speaker 2: developed a level of confidence around what Lincoln Riley can do.
Speaker 2: But this is his fourth different quarterback starter in four years.
Speaker 2: This guy's got a lot less experience. He sure as
Speaker 2: hell has not built like Jalen Hurts. He's got a
Speaker 2: little bit of Baker Mayfield in I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 2: but he's not built like a mac truck like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: And he's got the line in front of him, and
Speaker 2: you know, all that's fine and dandy, but.
Speaker 1: He's got a huge arm, my man, huge arm.
Speaker 2: I am interested in what he can do. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to be really good. I'm most interested in
Speaker 2: that point that you brought up about who he's throwing to.
Speaker 2: Because we had d Lamb losing, we had the Hazelwood injury.
Speaker 2: I want to see the young guns out wide. I
Speaker 2: want to see theo weees. I want to see Marvin Mims,
Speaker 2: Arselston Rambo. Yeah, show me what these guys can do.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not going to perform, but this
Speaker 2: is a receiving core that I'm frankly just anxious to see.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about There's a lot of
Speaker 2: potential there, but how will they all mesh especially in
Speaker 2: recurring theme here that I'll talk a lot about a
Speaker 2: very weird preseason and no spring.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm with you again. The good news is Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley's been there, and we have, you know, teams across
Speaker 1: the country with new offensive coordinators and new quarterbacks, including
Speaker 1: one I happen to root for. So the fact is
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt should lie squarely on the
Speaker 1: shoulders of Oklahoma's offense because of Lincoln Riley, because and
Speaker 1: the sort of opposite way of looking at it is
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler's the first quarterback who's really had time to
Speaker 1: get into the system without being counted on right away,
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield were being thrown into it.
Speaker 1: Even though Baker Mayfield did read sure when he sat
Speaker 1: out a year, he was thrust into it. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: other great news on the other side of the ball
Speaker 1: is if you look around the conference in terms of
Speaker 1: what the offenses look like. Now, I know Texas has
Speaker 1: interesting talent on offense and a fourth year starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in Sam Ellinger, new coordinator without time to really implement
Speaker 1: to a detailed point like they would in a normal season.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of the same for everybody that's it's
Speaker 1: a step back though that that teams usually have. It's
Speaker 1: a step back from I guess normalcy Baylor new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: new head coach TCU, I don't think. I think Max
Speaker 1: Duggan's interesting, but he's not Bomber. You're not immediately super scared.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech has had injury after injury to comedy legend
Speaker 1: Alan Bowman. West Virginia on offense, especially at quarterback, was
Speaker 1: not anything scary. Last year. Kansas had moments. Iowa State
Speaker 1: has rock Party, which is really promising to me. Spencer
Speaker 1: Sanders is not all that scary to me. With a
Speaker 1: new coordinator at Oklahoma State, a promoted associate head coach,
Speaker 1: receivers coach, which I never am a huge, huge fan
Speaker 1: of a long time position coach being promoted. So the
Speaker 1: context of what Oklahoma's defense can do with regard to
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, it's pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know two things that jump out at me
Speaker 2: from last year. They gave not a banger's only conference.
Speaker 2: It's in terms of scary offenses.
Speaker 1: It's not to the.
Speaker 2: Initial point, to the initial question. They gave up a
Speaker 2: lot of big plays last year, especially on the ground.
Speaker 2: Sure can they shore that up? Short, They've got depth,
Speaker 2: They've got what nine guys back, so they're going to
Speaker 2: be fine on defense. I would expect that they're going
Speaker 2: to take Yeah, eventually, I would expect they're going to
Speaker 2: take that step forward. The other component here, we're talking
Speaker 2: about Alex grianch Schreight. What's his deal. He likes havoc
Speaker 2: plays and he likes turnovers.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: They didn't create as many as I'm sure he would
Speaker 2: have liked. To his credit, they should have had more.
Speaker 2: It does not help when guys drop interceptions the way
Speaker 2: Oklahoma did a year. Right.
Speaker 1: There some randomness, a lot of random.
Speaker 2: A lot of Yeah, sure, if they can shore up
Speaker 2: one or even both of those points to just some
Speaker 2: marginal degree that will make them much better as a defense,
Speaker 2: much more dangerous, as we asked at the top of
Speaker 2: this little capsule here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know how you feel about Oklahoma, Dan.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with most of what you said.
Speaker 2: It is hard to see this team losing more than
Speaker 2: like one game if they're going to lose at all
Speaker 2: and look like we we look at Oklahoma on their
Speaker 2: old schedule, there was like a four game stretch that
Speaker 2: might have been tricky.
Speaker 1: Might have been tricky.
Speaker 2: They had a game against Texas, an all time let
Speaker 2: down look ahead spot, the following week on the road
Speaker 2: at Iowa State before coming back home for a Bedlam game.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that.
Speaker 2: Have we seen the Big twelve schedule at time of recording,
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, it's being reworked as we speak. I think I
Speaker 1: saw that Red River is supposed to stay in Dallas
Speaker 1: as of a while ago, so we'll see if that changes.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, no, it's just because they want to It's
Speaker 1: a nine plus one schedule and they want to rework
Speaker 1: it to work in bye weeks and different options. And
Speaker 1: they're not in a cancelations. They're not going to play
Speaker 1: on August and twenty ninth. Originally they had moved that
Speaker 1: Missouri State game. That's not going to happen now, So
Speaker 1: we're waiting to find out what the Big Twelve schedule
Speaker 1: is at time of recording here. But my only point
Speaker 1: is I think the rework schedule is actually going to
Speaker 1: work in their favor too. Like we already know who
Speaker 1: they're playing, right, like they always play all these teams.
Speaker 1: But I think the way that they might rework things
Speaker 1: to accommodate this new reality is also something else that
Speaker 1: will benefit Oklahoma. So again my view probably yours as well,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is a team to beat until proven otherwise in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve agreed, disagree with Edlam week one. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. No, they're absolutely there is no clear obvious challenger.
Speaker 1: The only one from a talent standpoint is Texas. But
Speaker 1: you know what to expect from Texas year and year out.
Speaker 1: I leave to you now because I have a question
Speaker 1: for you as your transition. I am saying, here, let's
Speaker 1: do it, let's do it. I'm ready. I'm going to
Speaker 1: stick with the bread that you like, spreading your intellectual
Speaker 1: butter on top of time. Yes, you know the the
Speaker 1: undertaker clip or image or gift of him literally rising
Speaker 1: from a laying down position, bolting up to ninety degree
Speaker 1: from the coffin from the coffin, So from zero to
Speaker 1: ninety if you could give me an undertaker angle with
Speaker 1: ninety ninety being full on, Vince Young's walking through that door.
Speaker 1: There he is Vince Young. He's suiting up once again
Speaker 1: and laying straight in the coffin being I don't know
Speaker 1: the worst of David Ash, the worst of any of
Speaker 1: the case McCoy, Garret Kilbert, I don't know. Give give
Speaker 1: me an angle, Give me an undertaker seventy two, taken
Speaker 1: up angle seven seventy two, seventy two.
Speaker 2: And by the way, in this analogy, I am Paul
Speaker 2: Bearer as the weird hype man promoting Texas's back or
Speaker 2: not back.
Speaker 1: I am the ref looking away at the right moments.
Speaker 2: What I would like to know from Texas fans is
Speaker 2: whether or not that Texas being back thing is perpetuated
Speaker 2: by the fan base or the boosters, or mainly just
Speaker 2: by the national media, which is frankly a little more
Speaker 2: disconnected from the program. My sense is that it's more
Speaker 2: national than local. But there is no doubt, more pressure
Speaker 2: on Tom Herman to more seriously contend for the conferences
Speaker 2: here or, if not this year next. Otherwise he would
Speaker 2: not have hit the reset button on both the offense
Speaker 2: and defense the way he did this offseason. So as
Speaker 2: we enter twenty twenty, Texas went eight and five last year.
Speaker 2: They beat Utah in the bowl game. They beat Oklahoma
Speaker 2: in the regular season, which was nice. It's pretty much
Speaker 2: it still had the five losses. They were decidedly not
Speaker 2: back last season.
Speaker 1: Correct, Agree, Yeah, I mean there were extenuating circumstances for sure,
Speaker 1: But yes, it was a more challenging year than I
Speaker 1: think we anticipated given how they ended twenty eighteen. But
Speaker 1: it happens. It does happen.
Speaker 2: It does happen. So I look at what he's doing here.
Speaker 2: He fired both his coordinators. It does feel a little
Speaker 2: like he's trying to build Ohio State south and I
Speaker 2: think Texas fans would be.
Speaker 1: Cool with that. Yeah, worst models, TI, worst models.
Speaker 2: He got rid of Tim Beck, previous offensive coordinator, who
Speaker 2: replaced him with Mike Yersich, who comes over from Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I think we would see that as an upgrade. Also
Speaker 2: got rid of Todd Orlando, bringing in Chris Ash to
Speaker 2: run the defense. Chris ad formerly before his Rutgers stop,
Speaker 2: was the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Yep, it was
Speaker 2: the right move. I think, the right move at the
Speaker 2: right time on both fronts. He just got really unlucky
Speaker 2: with the pandemic. It's just hard to start over like
Speaker 2: this amid all this without the spring, with the in
Speaker 2: person stuff being so different. Don't be surprised if this
Speaker 2: does not click right away again, recurring theme, do not
Speaker 2: be surprised, Dan, if this does not click right away right? Okay,
Speaker 2: that said, I really like this team. I know you're
Speaker 2: going to be shocked to hear that, but I said
Speaker 2: it a couple episodes ago. I think Sam Ellinger is
Speaker 2: still underrated. I think the running game is going to
Speaker 2: be better. I think Friend of the Show herb Hand
Speaker 2: did an awesome job with the line last year.
Speaker 1: Rebuilt the line, Man built the line. Run in a dark place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in a perfect world where you know,
Speaker 2: Mike yoursicch could maybe more prop or more comfortably install
Speaker 2: the offense. He would build off that line because the
Speaker 2: foundation is there. What was really missing last year was
Speaker 2: the creativity. And we knew that because it was Tim Beck.
Speaker 2: You got to sound somewhere. I should find it.
Speaker 1: I should have been prepared here, But we've got the
Speaker 1: bech Meyer syndrome. Sound is it you're sitch or you're sick.
Speaker 1: I was always an impression of it's you're sick. I
Speaker 1: believe it's your sich. But he did something he was
Speaker 1: at he was at Shippensburg.
Speaker 2: Right by the way here it is can't live arm
Speaker 2: or speak at normal, right, that's the bech Meyer syndrome.
Speaker 2: Sound whatever, whether it's you're sitch or you're sick.
Speaker 1: He knows the.
Speaker 2: Conference from his time in Oklahoma State. He did a
Speaker 2: hell of a job with Justin Fields last year. He
Speaker 2: wants this offense to be more vertical, no more of
Speaker 2: the five yard dink and dunk stuff that we saw.
Speaker 2: I am most interested in what he does this passing game,
Speaker 2: how it looks differently, how he uses j Smith, how
Speaker 2: he used Brendan Eagles. Also, treege Black came down from
Speaker 2: Michigan as a grad transfer, and Jordan Whittingham is now
Speaker 2: a converted wide receiver from the running back position. Josh
Speaker 2: Moore has a ton of upside and just I'm really
Speaker 2: intrigued in what he can do with this offense, how
Speaker 2: he can implement some degree of creativity that simply was
Speaker 2: not there under Tim Back. I think he has the
Speaker 2: personnel to do it. He's got the best quarterback in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve to do it with. I am excited
Speaker 2: about this offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the big name too is Kyanta Ingram.
Speaker 1: The fact that he took the step forward for the
Speaker 1: Texas running game last year will only open things up
Speaker 1: for the passing game. We saw how much success Justin
Speaker 1: Fields had with play action. I think that that becomes
Speaker 1: such a major threat now because that was and Texas
Speaker 1: has had running backs. Certainly, they went into last season
Speaker 1: unsure of what they had at running back like they
Speaker 1: did the last couple of years. But Keanta Ingram being
Speaker 1: a I think one of the best, probably eight or
Speaker 1: nine running backs in the country should should be a
Speaker 1: huge boost for what this offense can do creatively. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it. The problem is, it seems
Speaker 1: like Sam Ellinger and maybe it won't really derail what
Speaker 1: their season can be if we get a full season.
Speaker 1: He always seems to have that stinker in him. He
Speaker 1: does have you look up. He does you'll look up
Speaker 1: at at you know, six forty four Eastern and he's
Speaker 1: got three picks in the first half, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, You're wrong. There's always a not Sam
Speaker 1: Ellinger's week week, and I wonder if that once again
Speaker 1: comes to fruition.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Texas defense because that's a new
Speaker 2: installation as well. Chris Ash comes in. Job one has
Speaker 2: to be back to the basics. Focus on tackling, all right,
Speaker 2: that will be hard again. Weird off season, no spring.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: They led the nation in miss tackles a year ago.
Speaker 2: If they want to get better, that's where they got
Speaker 2: to start.
Speaker 1: Tackle guys.
Speaker 2: That is the point of defense. The other thing that
Speaker 2: Chris Ash needs to do, Like Todd Orlando was so
Speaker 2: aggressive last year, kind of like the guy in video
Speaker 2: games just blitzes the house every play in Madden and
Speaker 2: that's coot.
Speaker 1: He didn't have anything, didn't have anything behind it.
Speaker 2: It's great when it works and it's fun to do,
Speaker 2: but it just didn't work last year. Ninety fourth in
Speaker 2: the country in yards allowed per attempt, ninetieth in quarterback
Speaker 2: rating allowed one hundredth and completion percentage allowed. Chris Ash
Speaker 2: needs to just like pull back on that throat a
Speaker 2: little bit, pull it back. I think that's an instant improvement. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: what he's switching to a four? It's hard to keep
Speaker 2: track of all these guys switching. He does like a
Speaker 2: sort of four three four to five quarters. Look, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a four to three four two five quarters. Look,
Speaker 2: Joseph Osai could have gone pro. He's going to play
Speaker 2: the jack position this year, which is kind of like
Speaker 2: a stand up defensive lineman. Hopefully he can help generate
Speaker 2: more of a pass rush otherwise, you know, I I'm
Speaker 2: in love with Caden Stearns. We talked about that at
Speaker 2: the back end of the secondary. No disrespect to b
Speaker 2: J Foster and Chris Brown, they're also very good. But
Speaker 2: Cayden Stern's my boy. Hurt, ye know, I know everybody's hurt.
Speaker 2: They had a terrible time with injuries. But I just
Speaker 2: think focusing on the basics, throttling back that aggressiveness is
Speaker 2: going to put Texas in a much better place defensively.
Speaker 1: I think that's what Chris ash is going to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's all reasonable. I'm I am high on Texas.
Speaker 1: I don't know how high but they've recruited so well,
Speaker 1: and they have the experience of Sam Ellinger, and I'm
Speaker 1: worried about new coordinators on both sides in terms of
Speaker 1: just the ability to teach and learn and get reps,
Speaker 1: mental reps, physical reps and spring camp and all those things.
Speaker 1: But I think they're going to be relatively simplified, and
Speaker 1: that works when you can out talent just about everybody
Speaker 1: you play. So that's right. If Texas can get out
Speaker 1: of their own way, they'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Why is Oklahoma State's offense suddenly a question? Is it
Speaker 2: fair to say that the offense is a question because
Speaker 2: for like the last decade, it has been a powerhouse offense.
Speaker 2: Mike Gundy has continually done more with less in the
Speaker 2: talent space. It has really been his calling card for
Speaker 2: so long. And I look at this team and I
Speaker 2: actually have more questions about the offense than I do.
Speaker 1: I think the defense, Yeah, it's weird. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: returning a lot on defense, which is why I think
Speaker 1: the questions are on offense. And they lost Tylan Wallace
Speaker 1: last year to the season ending injury. I think in
Speaker 1: late October he's back and practicing, which is great news.
Speaker 1: And so it is good news. I mean, obviously Chewba
Speaker 1: Hubbard is fantastic news for any team that has him
Speaker 1: in their backfield, which Oklahoma State does. I think the
Speaker 1: problem is, and it has been the majority of the
Speaker 1: decade because of how long Mason Rudolphin you had the
Speaker 1: year of your guy, the corn Dog, Taylor Cornelias, Sure
Speaker 1: College are just running the offense for Oklahoma State. The
Speaker 1: problem now is Spencer Sanders had a red shirt ear
Speaker 1: he had time to pick up some sort of offense
Speaker 1: because this will now be his third coordinator in three years.
Speaker 1: So going from you're sick, to Sean Gleeson who moved
Speaker 1: on to Rutgers, came in from Princeton, and now to
Speaker 1: Casey Dunn who and I mentioned this at the top,
Speaker 1: I'm never crazy, and it's because I've been hurt before. Ty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm never crazy about the ten year position coach finally
Speaker 1: getting a call up to coordinator, where usually if you're
Speaker 1: somewhere for a long time, and maybe he loves stillwater,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got tremendous roots there. It loves, you know,
Speaker 1: coaching at Oklahoma State. And obviously he has developed great
Speaker 1: receiver after great receiver in stillwater. But the Don Pelham
Speaker 1: thing really warped my brainwiring, is it not? It is?
Speaker 1: It very much is. So that's a little bit troubling
Speaker 1: to me because obviously I think he's had overtures to
Speaker 1: be hired as a receiver's coach everywhere because he's done
Speaker 1: such a good job there. So that's a little bit
Speaker 1: worrisome just for Spencer Sanders because he does miss the
Speaker 1: last two or three games of the year, I think
Speaker 1: with a thumb injury. But he had the highest interception
Speaker 1: rate of any quarterback in the country as a red
Speaker 1: shirt freshman. And I understand you can say, okay was
Speaker 1: his first year starting. He was just a red shirt freshman.
Speaker 1: But usually for the sake of optimism in a conference
Speaker 1: without a ton of lockdown defenses everywhere, you want to
Speaker 1: see something, and especially with the thread of Chewba Hobbard
Speaker 1: running wild on every single snap and receivers that are
Speaker 1: very good. I think I expected more from a quarterback
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, and that I didn't see it, I
Speaker 1: think tells me right now that Spencer Sanders' ceiling is
Speaker 1: modest interesting. That's the nice thing I can say that
Speaker 1: I think quarterback recruitment development, offensive coordinator hiring, and continuity
Speaker 1: I think has really pumped some breaks at Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: So that that has me worried. I like the receivers,
Speaker 1: I like the skill talent around Spencer Sanders. I like
Speaker 1: the recruiting of the skill talent around Spencer Sanders. The
Speaker 1: line should be fine, I'm I'm just worried that there's
Speaker 1: no traditional bomber to him in the way that we
Speaker 1: had with Mason Rudolph going to Junkyard Jim Washington downfield
Speaker 1: interesting and that that reduces them to maybe an eight
Speaker 1: and four type ceiling to me, when if they had
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, then they're at nine and three, ten and
Speaker 1: two type team to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they go eight and four this year,
Speaker 2: Bob Bowlsby's he's working miracles to get twelve games in.
Speaker 1: But I sorry, Tak, you know what I'm saying, Give
Speaker 1: me the winning percentage of eight and four or nine whatever.
Speaker 1: I take your plant though, it's yeah, it's but the
Speaker 1: defense does return a ton, and they return their coordinator
Speaker 1: Jim Knowles, who had them. I think moving in the
Speaker 1: right direction, they and whatever their schedule looks like, they're
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma for Bedlum. They're at Baylor and this is
Speaker 1: new look Baylor for sure, and they host Texas, so
Speaker 1: it's it's okay.
Speaker 2: This is a really big year for Oklahoma stake because
Speaker 2: they got nineteen guys back, including Chewba Hubbard, who led
Speaker 2: the nation with almost what twenty one hundred rushing yards
Speaker 2: something like that, Tyland Wallace coming back from that acl
Speaker 2: Both of those guys, by the way, could have declared
Speaker 2: for the draft, but they didn't. And it's like it's
Speaker 2: sort of an unsung fact about the Gundy era. But
Speaker 2: he's really good at keeping guys from leaving early, and
Speaker 2: he's done it again here. He's retained that three headed
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. In Spencer Sanders, Chewba Hubbard,
Speaker 2: and Tyland Wallace. There is some depth this year behind Cuba. Likewise,
Speaker 2: there is some depth out wide with the likes of
Speaker 2: Dylan Stoner and Braden Johnson, both of whom had you know,
Speaker 2: good years last year in Wallace's absence. I share your
Speaker 2: skep decism though about Spencer Sanders. He was Big twelve
Speaker 2: Freshman of the year, so clearly he did something right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and can run. He can run.
Speaker 2: He showed improvement before missing the final two games with
Speaker 2: that thumb injury. I'm always a little hesitant though, what
Speaker 2: it does feel like so much comes down to one guy,
Speaker 2: and that is partially inherent to the quarterback position. I
Speaker 2: get it, but the interception rate was high year ago,
Speaker 2: and there was plenty of reason too, I think be
Speaker 2: skeptical of what he might be just from a ceiling standpoint.
Speaker 2: So I'm very mixed here. I think I share your
Speaker 2: kind of just uneasiness around the offense and what it
Speaker 2: can be. Weirdly that the defense isn't such a good spot,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's loaded, there's a good line, it's
Speaker 2: good secondary.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: You have a good defense in the Big twelve. That's
Speaker 2: that's a competitive advantage, no doubt, but just a little
Speaker 2: a little uneasy about so much being on the arm
Speaker 2: of a young guy like Spencer Sanders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I see it in I mean, this
Speaker 1: is really any conference, but if we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Big twelve today, you either have to do something really great.
Speaker 1: You have to be twenty nineteen Baylor, where the offense
Speaker 1: is inconsistent and pretty sluggish, but the defense you got
Speaker 1: a bunch of killers, and they're so well coached. You
Speaker 1: know how I feel about Phil Snow. You run an
Speaker 1: air raid, that's just you can't guard receivers. You run
Speaker 1: the hell out of the ball. Even Texas, Texas, with
Speaker 1: all of their struggles, they've lined up some killers at
Speaker 1: receiver these past few years. They've absolutely you know, their
Speaker 1: killer ability was getting the ball to some speed in
Speaker 1: space and really making teams pay. That was the best
Speaker 1: of Texas. And what does Iowa State do great? Well?
Speaker 1: They really improved their defense and they had a wild
Speaker 1: card quarterback in brock Purty that really excited you. And
Speaker 1: West Virginia had Will Greer and a ton of speed
Speaker 1: and a really creative offense under Holgo. Right now at
Speaker 1: home of State, you either have to do everything competently
Speaker 1: or you have to do something great. And I don't
Speaker 1: see the Pokes doing either one of those things to
Speaker 1: be that weekly threat to anybody in the conference. Open
Speaker 1: to being wrong for sure. The one thing that they
Speaker 1: do great is run the ball, and it didn't make
Speaker 1: a huge, huge difference last year. And so that's what
Speaker 1: concerns me that Chuba Hubbard, for his runaway ability, unlike
Speaker 1: any other probably maybe other than Travis etn running back
Speaker 1: in the country isn't quite enough given where football is
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, with how wide open and how important
Speaker 1: passing is, That's what concerns me.
Speaker 2: I think we are like minded on Oklahoma State. Let
Speaker 2: me stick with the top tier or upper CRUSTA will
Speaker 2: call it of the Big Twelve and ask about Iowa
Speaker 2: State because they really are that. I think, oh, just
Speaker 2: skipping over differendas Baylor Bears in the Big Twelve championship
Speaker 2: game last year. We'll come back to Baylor in a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, WHOA Okay?
Speaker 2: Is twenty twenty the year that Iowa State finally goes
Speaker 2: from like being this scrappy team that scares the crap
Speaker 2: out of you to a true substantial competitor given brock Purty,
Speaker 2: given all the close losses they had last season, is
Speaker 2: this the year for Matt Campbell where that transition occurs?
Speaker 1: When when the tough got going late in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: Iowa State lost close. That's sort of what happened with
Speaker 1: the Clothes.
Speaker 2: They were seven points away from ten to two and
Speaker 2: fourteen points away from an eleven to one record and
Speaker 2: making it into that Big Twelve title game.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I mean the Baylor game, the Oklahoma comeback
Speaker 1: that almost was Oklahoma State Iowa they lose by a point.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, So Iowa State they're dealing with and
Speaker 1: reason twenty nineteen. Most notably, I think it was a
Speaker 1: shoulder injury to Greg Eysworth, one of the absolute best
Speaker 1: safeties in the country, and rock Party. The end of
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this already, but the end of
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma State game last year, we just kept throwing interceptions.
Speaker 1: Felt like his Tin Cup moment. Just he's refusing to
Speaker 1: lay up and it was a rough watch. And that's
Speaker 1: all correctable. That's the good news. That's all correctable. They
Speaker 1: have a promising young running back in Bresee Hall. They
Speaker 1: don't have the same I guess level weapons on the outside,
Speaker 1: but they're really strong at tight end. They're strong on
Speaker 1: the line. So in terms of the big humans on offense,
Speaker 1: I feel good about the clones. They lose a good amount,
Speaker 1: especially upfront on defense, but even still they're in good shape.
Speaker 1: They've recruited well, there's a lot more depth than there
Speaker 1: was ever before. It's just like you mentioned, it's playing
Speaker 1: four full quarters. It's not disappearing for a quarter and
Speaker 1: a half early and then having to furiously come back.
Speaker 1: It's not coming back, and then blowing it repeatedly. It's okay,
Speaker 1: you're now at the stage where you're now on the
Speaker 1: stage essentially, now it's time to perform well. And I
Speaker 1: actually feel really good about it. And it's more about
Speaker 1: the context of what I talked about with the conference
Speaker 1: as a whole, where there's not a lot of obvious
Speaker 1: killing units whatever, that Iowa State has the benefit of experience,
Speaker 1: of coaching, of continuity. I mean, it's their coordinators are
Speaker 1: both there. I really like, was it John Haycock who's
Speaker 1: been there, you know, for a couple of years now
Speaker 1: and had that sort of defense that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been copying that, you know, jamming the middle
Speaker 1: and the three two six and you know, having speed
Speaker 1: all over the field. So it's he has been copied
Speaker 1: because of how effective that defense has been in that
Speaker 1: conference against the air raids. So there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like about Iowa State, and I'm just going to be
Speaker 1: one of those people liking it, especially since I think
Speaker 1: they get both Oklahoma and Baylor at home. They're in
Speaker 1: Austin and we're just we're working under this assumption once
Speaker 1: again that the home road splits are going to remain
Speaker 1: for the big twelves nine conference games for each team.
Speaker 1: But just we don't know the order. So I think
Speaker 1: that the continuity thing, the experience thing, the walk before
Speaker 1: you run, maybe they were walking, power walking and jogging.
Speaker 1: I think finally in brock Parties third year as a starter,
Speaker 1: I think they're ready to run if they can find
Speaker 1: a problem on the outside on offense in a good way.
Speaker 2: Well, and they've figured out ways to create that problem
Speaker 2: on the outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had them. Each of the years that Matt
Speaker 1: Campbell's been there.
Speaker 2: They've had to replace Alan Lazard or a team Butler like,
Speaker 2: they've had to do this, and they've continuously found ways
Speaker 2: to get production out wide. I'm just going to come
Speaker 2: back to a point that you mentioned. I think we're
Speaker 2: really going to see it pay dividends this year. Recruiting
Speaker 2: has been better, a lot better. Depth is one of
Speaker 2: those topics. It never gets mentioned. It's one of the
Speaker 2: biggest differences between the top rung teams and everybody else.
Speaker 2: Ioway State was not there at all when Matt Campbell
Speaker 2: took over. They are not there yet, but they are
Speaker 2: going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love their tight end Charlie Cohler, He's Charlie.
Speaker 2: Kohler and Chase Allen, who's also very good at tight
Speaker 2: end position, so he's he's really bolstered that position group.
Speaker 1: Cohler led the team in receptions last year. Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So I think this is going to be a good
Speaker 2: team on offense. I have questions about the line. Defensively,
Speaker 2: they've got a lot coming back, one of the better
Speaker 2: defenses in the conference. If we had a rank two
Speaker 2: through four.
Speaker 1: In the Big Twelve, where do you come down on that?
Speaker 1: I think I would go Texas to Iowa State three,
Speaker 1: Baylor four. Baylor loses so much on defense though there's
Speaker 1: so much new about Baylor.
Speaker 2: I just I have I'm not in on Baylor at
Speaker 2: all this year.
Speaker 1: I was in last year. I'm not this year.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I just I saw bad Max doug in a little too.
Speaker 2: I go, I go Texas, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State
Speaker 2: in that order.
Speaker 1: You like the Pokes over the clones, I think so. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think so all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because of that, because of that Chuba Hubbard,
Speaker 2: Tylan Wallace Combo.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's pretty close to me. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: a brutal history between those two. I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: Can you tell me what questions do you have about Baylor?
Speaker 2: What am I not answering for you? That I need
Speaker 2: to answer to prove my case here that they should
Speaker 2: not be in that top tier.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they obviously they're the example we talked at
Speaker 1: the top about how do you take that next step?
Speaker 1: Baylor was mister next step these past couple of years
Speaker 1: under Matt Ruhle. Who damn, you did a great job
Speaker 1: in Waco. So Dave r Anna gets his first big
Speaker 1: head coaching job. Everybody sort of thought he was waiting
Speaker 1: for an NFL job, you know, an NFL coordinator job, whatever,
Speaker 1: and he ends up going to Baylor. I think his
Speaker 1: daughter ended up attending Baylor, so he in a way
Speaker 1: followed her. I saw that story. What given Baylor and
Speaker 1: what they return because I know they lose a ton
Speaker 1: on defense, which is really what led that team to
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve championship game in a New Year six game,
Speaker 1: what is realistic to say? Okay, this is how Dave A.
Speaker 1: Randa has built on the success of Matt Rules Bear squad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, biggest issue for Baylor, and another recurring theme
Speaker 2: is I bring this up every year. I have a
Speaker 2: hard time when teams are in the situation where they
Speaker 2: reboot their coaching staff. Yeah, snow advisory tie, No, snow
Speaker 2: advisory coaching staff rebooted. They're often eleven wins season. A
Speaker 2: little bit of pixie dust on that eleven wins. If
Speaker 2: you close wins in there, they got the job done. Okay,
Speaker 2: don't pay no attention to the West Virginia game. Pay
Speaker 2: no attention.
Speaker 1: It was a plucky team.
Speaker 2: They hung in there twice with Oklahoma, there's a good
Speaker 2: football team. Matt Rule really instilled that culture that I
Speaker 2: think we've come to know and love about him. But
Speaker 2: the installation process for Dave Randa is just going to
Speaker 2: be harder because of the pandemic. Yeah, because they lose
Speaker 2: Denzel Mims out wide. He's a huge bright spot for
Speaker 2: the last season. He made Charlie Brewer better. Then they
Speaker 2: lose nine guys on defense, so he's he's dealing with
Speaker 2: a lot here. I think it is a step back
Speaker 2: year for Baylor, even though Randa is a great hire.
Speaker 1: One time.
Speaker 2: You need to.
Speaker 1: Prepare me for that daily progress. He's a great hire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to get things working, especially on defense.
Speaker 2: But it's it's too soon to expect too much here
Speaker 2: in year one.
Speaker 1: What does that mean though, I mean you're returning a quarterback.
Speaker 1: This is a team that even they lose starters, but
Speaker 1: rotation guys played. They won some games comfortably. There is
Speaker 1: Matt rule DNA to this team where before you can
Speaker 1: win close, you gotta lose close. Then you know, win close,
Speaker 1: win big in some instances. So this is this is
Speaker 1: a program that has winning infrastruture, have winning infrastructure. I okay,
Speaker 1: let's start at the top. Year. We'll go offense. Defense.
Speaker 2: Chuck Brewer. Chuck Brewer, Chuck Brewer. Yeah, before we get
Speaker 2: to Charlie Brewer, let's talk about the line. Okay, their
Speaker 2: line stank last year.
Speaker 1: It did it did?
Speaker 2: They allowed thirty eight sacks. That was the worst in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. They've got a lot of turnover up
Speaker 2: front this year. You had guys last year bouncing around
Speaker 2: playing different positions game in and game out. The results
Speaker 2: were not great. The good news is that it gets
Speaker 2: seven guys back along the line. I hope it helps
Speaker 2: it needs to help because Charlie Brewer really felt the
Speaker 2: brunt of things. He was the engine for this offense,
Speaker 2: There's no way around it. He led the team in
Speaker 2: rushing attempts and in touchdowns in twenty nineteen. Now he's
Speaker 2: got Larry Fedora taking over the offense, and the track
Speaker 2: record is he's going to get more carries this year.
Speaker 2: Larry Fedora does that to his quarterbacks, so.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. He can't take that many more hits.
Speaker 2: Ty, The line needs to protect Chuck Brewer, Chas Brewer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it needs to. I am concerned about the receiver situation.
Speaker 2: I said Denzel Mims made Charlie Brewer better.
Speaker 1: He really did. Did you mention Tae Kwon Thornton? Am
Speaker 1: I going out of my mind?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, He's really good.
Speaker 2: He's very good.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just making sure you mention his name because
Speaker 1: he's I think the number one receiver for Baylor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I'm on board with you. But Charlie Brewer
Speaker 1: is man. Some of those hits he was taking last year,
Speaker 1: and I know there's some depth and interesting depth behind him,
Speaker 1: but it felt like, should this dude still be playing football?
Speaker 1: You know? The concussions. I don't know that that is
Speaker 1: just troubling from a human level to me. But I think, yes,
Speaker 1: the the Baylor offense should be interesting, Baylor did defense
Speaker 1: should be good to very good, even with a lot
Speaker 1: of new dudes in there, because I imagine Matt Rule
Speaker 1: was really good at identifying talent and developing talent, and
Speaker 1: Dave Randa has done nothing to make me think he
Speaker 1: can't continue that. So I mean, I think Baylor is
Speaker 1: going to win more often than they lose, and they're
Speaker 1: going to take a step back, but they are one
Speaker 1: of the probably two or three more intriguing teams in
Speaker 1: this conference to me.
Speaker 2: Defensively, nine starters gone from a year ago. Ron Roberts
Speaker 2: comes over from Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Lafayette. They don't like you saying Lafayette. They just like Louisiana.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Louisiana. I'll let you know. Yeah, Louisiana. Excuse me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: But Roberts got a little bit of David rand Adam
Speaker 2: because he's sort of Dave Randa's mentor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a really good reputation.
Speaker 2: Defensively, Yeah, defense is going to look very similar to
Speaker 2: Dave Randa's and if you're a Baylor fan, you should
Speaker 2: be excited about that. These are awesome defenses to watch.
Speaker 2: They use a lot of versatility. You're gonna see like
Speaker 2: three down linemen and eight guys who might blitz or
Speaker 2: might drop back or play a different spot on each play.
Speaker 2: And if you're a Baylor fan, if you're coming off
Speaker 2: a year with the Phil Snow defense, which really started
Speaker 2: to click last season, you know, turnover limits how good
Speaker 2: it can be. But I do think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a fun watch and probably a lot better next season.
Speaker 1: Wait, you think the defense is going to be a
Speaker 1: lot better.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I think it's a step back this year.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and next year. Okay, step back this year
Speaker 1: is still fun to watch. Next year is where you
Speaker 1: see the real gains on defense. Interesting, Okay, I'm good
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm not high on Baylor.
Speaker 1: Do they win more often? Do they win six games?
Speaker 2: I think they're like a six and four team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he got it, six and four, five and five.
Speaker 2: I think it's that kind of season for Baylor.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a team that we're used to discussing.
Speaker 1: Although I guess there's two of them left on your
Speaker 1: side that we're used to discussing earlier on and that's
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Oh no, We've been used to discussing West
Speaker 1: Virginia as not necessarily a perennial winning contender, but a
Speaker 1: threat that any given week they could hang fifty And
Speaker 1: I know last year and they were I think a
Speaker 1: good example last year of first eight nine weeks like ooh,
Speaker 1: some there are some low moments that the stinker potential
Speaker 1: is a high stinker ceiling tie, very high stinker ceiling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought Neil Brown did a good enough job
Speaker 1: keeping players focused that they were fighting late in the season.
Speaker 1: They did see some results from that fight. And even
Speaker 1: though it's been a pretty turbulent offseason for West Virginia,
Speaker 1: there have to be pieces there. There have to be
Speaker 1: pieces in Morgantown that after twenty nineteen, which was a
Speaker 1: bit of a mess after Holgo left, that the fact
Speaker 1: is year two is going to be more promising. There's
Speaker 1: more to be optimistic about in year two. What is
Speaker 1: that first thing to increase the number of optimistic items?
Speaker 1: Where do they say, Okay, this is where we need
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, to really get things humming it's a
Speaker 1: good question. It's a good question, and it was a
Speaker 1: tough spot for Neil Brown. Year one. That offense was
Speaker 1: a rough watch at times.
Speaker 2: It was they scored forty points per game in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen and something like twenty point six in twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: and year one under Neil Brown. And look, that's what
Speaker 2: happens when you tweet the scheme, when you stink at quarterback,
Speaker 2: when you have receivers dropping balls, a line that can't block.
Speaker 2: I think I saw what one hundredth something like one
Speaker 2: hundredth in the sp plus. The offense was not good,
Speaker 2: and that's not a formula for success in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: And that's an improvement from where it was two thirds
Speaker 1: of you know, late October whatever, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So I almost view year two as year one and
Speaker 2: a half. I think job one is building on the
Speaker 2: experience that you built up in year one, find a
Speaker 2: way to get more fundamentally sound. Because it's still a
Speaker 2: young team, Dan, They're still learning a new system. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think it helps that Jared Deegy built some momentum
Speaker 2: at the end of the season last year. This was
Speaker 2: a young wide receiver corps. A lot of those guys
Speaker 2: are back, including Sam James, who had a crazy one
Speaker 2: hundred and eleven targets as a freshman, which is saying sile,
Speaker 2: yeah he's back.
Speaker 1: That'll help.
Speaker 2: Job two is figuring out how to get more out
Speaker 2: of the running game, because on a per play basis,
Speaker 2: this is like the worst ground game in America. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the worst, at least not in every metric, but
Speaker 2: they were really bad on a per play basis. From
Speaker 2: an efficiency standpoint, they stunk as a rushing unit. They
Speaker 2: got to get more there because this is not a
Speaker 2: situation where your quarterback is going to be good enough
Speaker 2: to power the whole offense. He's going to need some
Speaker 2: help in the in the in the ground game. Right,
Speaker 2: So Jared Deggy had moments, He had moments. I like
Speaker 2: Jared Dagy, but he just he needs more help, needs
Speaker 2: more help.
Speaker 1: Glad they found him.
Speaker 2: Austin Kendall still there, by the way, can still reclaim
Speaker 2: the job, but I digg he's got to be the guy.
Speaker 1: I think that helps.
Speaker 2: Defensively, we talked about the Vic Canning thing, no longer
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, dismissed after some insensitive actions, particularly around racial injustice.
Speaker 2: How that affects the defense remains to be seen. I
Speaker 2: think this is again going to be the better side
Speaker 2: of the football for the Mountaineers. I like Darius and
Speaker 2: Dante Stills, the brothers Stills in the middle. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: still the strength of this defense. Linebacking core looks okay
Speaker 2: to me. Josh Chandler had a really good year as
Speaker 2: a sophomore, second in the team, and tackles secondary kind
Speaker 2: of a mess. I don't know if we see a
Speaker 2: ton of improvement from West Virginia. I think they build
Speaker 2: on their experience from a year ago. I think another
Speaker 2: year under Neil Brown is going to help. I'm looking
Speaker 2: for gains next year. I think next year is a
Speaker 2: year where we start to see a little bit more
Speaker 2: movement forward. Dumb you're saying twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just not enough here for me, Not enough meat on
Speaker 2: this bone. Yet to get too excited about seeing a
Speaker 2: big jump in year two.
Speaker 1: Home road splits look pretty good, though, right they get
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Baylor and yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 2: It's not bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's that's something. I mean. You promise a
Speaker 1: quarterback defense being ahead of the offense I generally like
Speaker 1: because that shows efforts. It's hard to you know, if
Speaker 1: your defense is a nightmareage generally means there's almost no
Speaker 1: buy and no efforts. So I like that element of
Speaker 1: things for West Virginia. And you know it's going to
Speaker 1: be a strange year, whatever it looks like. And perhaps
Speaker 1: because this is what it was, Kansas State beats Oklahoma
Speaker 1: that immediately goes and loses to West Virginia. So maybe
Speaker 1: it's an opportunistic fall for the Ears. They seem to
Speaker 1: be at the center of weirdness a lot. That's that's
Speaker 1: my hope.
Speaker 2: And look, there were some games here for West Virginia.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about buy in an effort, it was.
Speaker 2: It was there for this team.
Speaker 1: Last year.
Speaker 2: It really was Baylor very close loss. We alluded to
Speaker 2: it in the beginning. Baylor was an eleven win team.
Speaker 2: UH beat k State, Case State was a bowl team. Yes,
Speaker 2: they were within one score of Oklahoma State. They beat
Speaker 2: TCU to close out the year, So it was it
Speaker 2: was not close as well. It was not for lack
Speaker 2: of trying. It's just he's trying to build something new.
Speaker 2: I think we both have a lot of faith in
Speaker 2: Neil Brown did great things at Troy. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to do good things at West Virginia, but it's
Speaker 2: going to take some time to get there, and I
Speaker 2: hope they give him along enoughleesh.
Speaker 1: I think they will. Yeah, they have. It's a dude
Speaker 1: drought right now at West Virginia. Speaking of dude droughts,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I don't. I don't know where you're going
Speaker 1: with this segue, but I hope it's some very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: sponsorship or just you're changing the subject away from college
Speaker 1: football entirely.
Speaker 2: All right, hit me Kansas. We can't even talk Kansas
Speaker 2: State before Kansas Kansas because Kansas State also kind of
Speaker 2: has a dude drop. But okay, we can talk Kansas.
Speaker 2: Where is where is the opportunity for realistic growth from
Speaker 2: a Kansas standpoint.
Speaker 1: They've got to win shootouts. If they're able to win shootouts,
Speaker 1: which is something we say about a lot of teams
Speaker 1: when we preview them come July August, and it's not
Speaker 1: a really it's a backhanded compliment because it says, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if things get really weird and it's
Speaker 1: fifty eight to fifty four, maybe you're the fifty eight
Speaker 1: it's not a great thing. But the fact is, I
Speaker 1: like their offensive coordinator. They made the switch to Brent
Speaker 1: Deerman early on or I guess midway through this way through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it worked. It worked until it didn't at times.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they I mean now they're replacing Carter Stanley
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's Miles Kendrick and Thomas m
Speaker 1: mcvittie battling it out for the starting job. The skill
Speaker 1: talent's good. The skill talent is good. I really like
Speaker 1: Andrew Parschmidt the receiver. I think behind Tylan Wallace, he's
Speaker 1: the leading receiver, so he's the second receiving, second leading
Speaker 1: returning receiver. My english is all askew that so there
Speaker 1: is on offense, there's some prominent off offensive line that's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. But if they're able to with Brent
Speaker 1: Deherman's RPO like they were able to do, especially against Texas,
Speaker 1: and that was that was eye opening. He was fifty
Speaker 1: to forty eight in a loss, in a losing effort.
Speaker 1: But all the same, if Kansas can channel that, they
Speaker 1: it's a real coaching staff. They are, you know, less
Speaker 1: Miles is trying, He's trying. There it's gonna take a
Speaker 1: while still, just because things are so backward in Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If one of these quarterbacks works out,
Speaker 1: it's something. Can they win, Can they go three and seven?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just I don't know. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to win those shootouts. They're gonna have to hope for
Speaker 1: an injured quarterback or two, making the schedule more interesting
Speaker 1: than it looks right now. But I think that's what
Speaker 1: it is. I think if it's going to be an
Speaker 1: interesting RPO based offense for Kansas, and that's at least
Speaker 1: something that is at least something that we can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kansas has gone from embarrassing to more often than not, entertaining.
Speaker 1: That's the step forward I can see happening.
Speaker 2: One interesting name that you did not mention is Jalen Daniels, Okay.
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels is their freshman quarterback recruit. Okay, as of
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, he was still kind of quasi
Speaker 2: a contender for that starting quarterback position this fall, and
Speaker 2: Brent Dierman, who has a bit of a history with
Speaker 2: Gus Malson, compared him to Nick Marshall. I saw athlon
Speaker 2: compared to he said he's the hand picked quarterback of
Speaker 2: the future. I don't know what that means for Kansas,
Speaker 2: but I am interested to see if they decide to
Speaker 2: play the true freshmen at any point in time, take
Speaker 2: their lumps now to build for more of a promising future.
Speaker 2: That that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of the question here.
Speaker 2: It appears like Les Miles is playing long con.
Speaker 1: Ty, I have I have breaking news for you that
Speaker 1: they're gonna take their lumps either way.
Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna take their lumps either way, but but
Speaker 2: you know less Miles is open to giving the younger
Speaker 2: guys time. You got Pooka Williams, which is a bright spot.
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm most interested in seeing are they going
Speaker 2: to play a true freshman at quarterback. He may be
Speaker 2: the best fit for that scheme than anyone else on
Speaker 2: the roster.
Speaker 1: Just entertain me, That's all I want, all right. I'll
Speaker 1: let you fill in your your love Tye sell me
Speaker 1: on tcuh. Okay, but let's don't. Let's let's not bring
Speaker 1: emotion into it, ty Let's see rational though, Let's be pragmatic.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're so in love with TCU
Speaker 1: every I honestly don't get it. I don't know why
Speaker 1: you keep falling for the Frogs. I mean, Fort Worth
Speaker 1: is great. In Fort Worths, I like the color propowle
Speaker 1: is fine. I like that there's the murder frog and
Speaker 1: you have like the frog had the rose in the
Speaker 1: mouth for the Rose Bowl. That's all good. What has
Speaker 1: gone wrong? It just seemed like they were they were
Speaker 1: there and now they're not. What is what has gone wrong?
Speaker 1: I don't think they hit five hundred last year. Not
Speaker 1: a bowl team. I feel like Garry Patterson has recruited
Speaker 1: pretty well to Fort Worth. He's developed guys. We see
Speaker 1: them drafted first, second, third round from that team, especially
Speaker 1: that defense every year, but sometimes offense. What is what happened?
Speaker 2: It's it's such a good question. I'm never inclined to
Speaker 2: say it's a talent thing with Gary Patterson because.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't anybody in the Big twelve have a friggin
Speaker 1: quarterback other than Oklahoma. I don't know what happened?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, like the talent thing
Speaker 2: with Gary Patterson, his calling card has always been developing talent.
Speaker 2: He turns through the stars into five stars. That's his
Speaker 2: that's his thing. So I I think the talent is there.
Speaker 2: I think it's it was a combination of scheme and experience.
Speaker 2: Last year, TCU was sort of the anti Baylor in
Speaker 2: a sense because Baylor won a bunch of one score games.
Speaker 2: TCU lost six of them, including one against Baylor. They
Speaker 2: were good enough to be in the close games against
Speaker 2: better teams, they just couldn't close. And you could point
Speaker 2: to a bunch of reasons for that. For one, it
Speaker 2: took them about a month to figure out that Max
Speaker 2: Duggan should be their quarterback, and he played the back
Speaker 2: half of the season as the primary quarterback against the
Speaker 2: better teams in the Big twelve. And it was rocky
Speaker 2: right because he was a freshman. But he just gave
Speaker 2: him more and that was good. That's a building block.
Speaker 2: The combination, though, of the musical quarterbacks and whatever scheme
Speaker 2: they tried that affected Jalen riger He was their best
Speaker 2: offensive weapon. They couldn't get him the ball eighty eight targets,
Speaker 2: a catch rate under fifty percent. Some of that's on him,
Speaker 2: mind you, but he just you wanted to see more
Speaker 2: out of Jalen Reger. So sure, while the offense was
Speaker 2: inconsistent and the defense was pretty good, again, they just
Speaker 2: gave up a ton of big plays. That's like some
Speaker 2: combination of all those things really did him in. And
Speaker 2: especially in a conference like the Big Twelve, you got
Speaker 2: big plays like you just if they were going to
Speaker 2: rely mostly on their defense, they couldn't give up those
Speaker 2: big plays. They couldn't be felled by the big play,
Speaker 2: and all too often they were. So Now, moving forward,
Speaker 2: Patterson's philosophy is to go back to the well. I'm
Speaker 2: always mixed on this. I don't know how I feel.
Speaker 2: They're bringing Doug Meechim back, they're pairing him back up
Speaker 2: with Sonny Cumby. They're also adding Jerry Kill to the
Speaker 2: mixes like this awkward third wheel.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't mind it. Good coach.
Speaker 2: The one point zero version of the Meechum Comby combo
Speaker 2: had really good results. We'll see how it goes as
Speaker 2: time around. It hurts to lose your top two running
Speaker 2: backs from a year ago. But I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback back then. By the way, they're
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm a little leery on this. Yeah, it hurts
Speaker 2: when you lose your top two running backs from a
Speaker 2: year ago. There's probably enough talent to make it work.
Speaker 2: The running back room is crowded with Darwin, Barlow and
Speaker 2: Foster and de Mercado and Richardson and Miller like they
Speaker 2: got guys and it's the same deal out why they
Speaker 2: got a bunch of rising juniors with speed. Tay Barber
Speaker 2: is a guy to watch. They're going to stretch the
Speaker 2: field more like they just weren't explosive last year.
Speaker 1: The caveat is.
Speaker 2: That the line has to hold for Max Duggan. They
Speaker 2: lose four guys up front. That's the biggest question on
Speaker 2: this offense. You can ask whatever you want about the
Speaker 2: scheme and how the three ring circus is going to
Speaker 2: work with offensive coaches, but the biggest question for me
Speaker 2: is what are they going to do about that line?
Speaker 1: It all starts up front for TCU this year. Are
Speaker 1: you worried that they're becoming sort of lone star who
Speaker 1: that they're becoming like the Virginia era of you know,
Speaker 1: they win six or seven games and now this is
Speaker 1: a ten game season. They win five six, seven games
Speaker 1: and they have three you know, top two round picks
Speaker 1: like they had. It was what Jalen Reger and Jeff
Speaker 1: Gladney last year. They have two first round picks last year,
Speaker 1: where Virginia randomly it's to brickishaff Ferguson or Chris Long
Speaker 1: or whatever. They don't translate having, you know, developing individual
Speaker 1: pockets of their team into really top level players into wins.
Speaker 1: Is that a concern? It feels like year over year
Speaker 1: they're just keep first round pick TCU, second round pick
Speaker 1: TC and they're not turning those pockets of talent into anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched Top Chef, but
Speaker 1: all the time they're like, yeah, steak was okay, Like
Speaker 1: these girled peaches are transcendent, where it's like, why couldn't
Speaker 1: you turn the whole plate into this magic? So that
Speaker 1: that to me feel like year over year just doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it was. That team in the Big twelve
Speaker 1: doesn't feel.
Speaker 2: Like they've had that quarterback. And you know, when they
Speaker 2: had the quarterback they were really good.
Speaker 1: Well Kenny Trill it was only okay, but yeah he's okay.
Speaker 2: But when they've had the quarterback, they've been fine. It's
Speaker 2: just getting that quarterback has been an issue.
Speaker 1: You can say about everybody, but everybody, Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's fair but in TCUs case, I just feel
Speaker 2: like we've constantly been waiting for that quarterback, and the
Speaker 2: defense has been continually pretty good. Four two five defense,
Speaker 2: A lot of defensive backs out there flying around. He's
Speaker 2: got two good ones, and Trevin morrig Are, Darius Washington,
Speaker 2: Garrett Wallow one of the better linebackers in college football.
Speaker 2: Just a lot of ammo, a lot of versatility in
Speaker 2: that back seven.
Speaker 1: It's going to make them really good again.
Speaker 2: They lose Ross Blacklock to the NFL, They're going to
Speaker 2: need more pass rush this year out of guys like
Speaker 2: O'shawn Mathis. And they're not the deepest along the line,
Speaker 2: but they should be. They should be fine. You mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, some other losses in the defensive backfield, but
Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine across the board. I just,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a mental exercise to not get too
Speaker 2: excited about TCU this year and every year. I love
Speaker 2: the defense, I like Max dug In. I have questions
Speaker 2: about pretty much everything else. The only thing that I
Speaker 2: am certain of with this team, okay, is that they're
Speaker 2: gonna be better than last year. They're gonna be better
Speaker 2: than last year.
Speaker 1: They have to. I don't know what it is? I man,
Speaker 1: They're just such a sometimes team. They're just like, how
Speaker 1: is tenu? Sometimes their defense is good, I know, sometimes
Speaker 1: Darius Anderson goes off and has an amazing game and
Speaker 1: they're pretty good. They're just a sometimes team, Like they
Speaker 1: all start and end dating somebody on Friday nights and
Speaker 1: it totally affects them week to week.
Speaker 2: They're like seven and three this year their seven and
Speaker 2: three team, seven and three, six and four.
Speaker 1: What is so appreciably different from a team that didn't
Speaker 1: make a Bowl last year?
Speaker 2: A lot of close losses a year ago. I think
Speaker 2: that has to turn around. Okay, the defense is still
Speaker 2: going to be very good, and it's another year under
Speaker 2: Max Duggin. Okay, did Max Duggin really get you going?
Speaker 2: There were flashes with Max dugg Okay there.
Speaker 1: I just when when players are described as gutty or
Speaker 1: gamers without actually taking it to somebody for four quarters,
Speaker 1: the sort of positioning of how we describe players is
Speaker 1: worrysome When it's not oh yeah, that dude went off.
Speaker 1: That dude just absolutely obliterated that team. If they don't
Speaker 1: have a game like that and it's just Max Duggan,
Speaker 1: just seems like a guy. I hope he's more than
Speaker 1: that this season, but that's what he appeared to be.
Speaker 1: As you know, if as a freshman you're not, you're
Speaker 1: generally by the end of your freshman year when there's
Speaker 1: some talent around you, which TCU had talent around him.
Speaker 1: If if it's just flash air flash there, I just
Speaker 1: I want I want a flash light, Tye flashlight show
Speaker 1: me the way. Yeah, all right, let's talk about k State. Okay,
Speaker 1: I would love to I have k State thoughts.
Speaker 2: K State beat Oklahoma and then they scored more than
Speaker 2: thirty points only against Kansas Yes, including twenty in a
Speaker 2: losing effort to West Virginia at home. What are the
Speaker 2: tea leaves for this twenty twenty offense? A lot of
Speaker 2: new faces. Will they have more pop? How do you
Speaker 2: feel about year two under Chris Climbing.
Speaker 1: A little worried? A little worried. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: the defense. Even though they replaced Scottie Hazelton, the coordinator
Speaker 1: who left follow Meltalker to Michigan State. They promoted from within.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of continuity at Kansas State, and I
Speaker 1: was really encouraged by year one the results that they
Speaker 1: were able to It was like they were hitting corners
Speaker 1: tie baseball analogy. They weren't throwing ninety nine. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a crazy hooking curve or a diving slider. A
Speaker 1: lot of Greg Maddocks out there, Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: Greg maddocks. The Oklahoma game was obviously terrific. They took
Speaker 1: advantage of Oklahoma mistakes like good teams do. They were
Speaker 1: able to make plays in big moments. Skylar to timeson
Speaker 1: you know, picking up you know, first downs with his
Speaker 1: legs whatever. It was encouraging. They lose a lot on
Speaker 1: offense everywhere, and in the specific context of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and not having that much time to get in reps
Speaker 1: with new receivers. You know, Josh young Blood had the
Speaker 1: kick return against Texas. He is he is a top
Speaker 1: end speed dude. Is he is encouraging. I did see
Speaker 1: a story that he actually lived with Chris Climban during
Speaker 1: the spring after surgery and had a fantastic time. I'm
Speaker 1: really hopeful that dudes emerge. But I use that phrase
Speaker 1: problem problem a few weeks ago on a show, and
Speaker 1: to be clear, that is a team that has a
Speaker 1: problem because they don't have enough problems on their roster
Speaker 1: for other teams. I screwed that up, didn't I It's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay. We're past it. We're past it. Josh young
Speaker 1: Blood could be smaller dude, but that's okay. He has
Speaker 1: that high end speed. He could be a problem. I
Speaker 1: just don't see guys on this offense where a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Knowles at Oklahoma State or John Haycock
Speaker 1: at Iowa State, are like, oh man, what do we
Speaker 1: do with this guy? What do we do with this guy?
Speaker 1: And Skyler Thompson's fine, but dangerous is not necessarily an
Speaker 1: adjective I would associate with him. So it's a new line.
Speaker 1: It's just a new offense in general, and I'm worried now. Defensively,
Speaker 1: the back end of their defense is largely intact. They've
Speaker 1: got a really good rush end in White Hubert, one
Speaker 1: of the best in the country. The defensively upfront, though
Speaker 1: they do make some changes on the line, just in
Speaker 1: terms of new starters. They were a little loosey goosey
Speaker 1: against the run. That concerns me somewhat about Kansas State,
Speaker 1: But in terms of continuity in a weird year, there
Speaker 1: is a lot to like about Kansas State still, that
Speaker 1: they were so good on defense on third down that
Speaker 1: they were just able to get off the field. They
Speaker 1: won a lot of interesting moments, as we saw, especially
Speaker 1: in that Oklahoma game. But if they had that problem
Speaker 1: putting points on the board, keeping drives going, finding mismatches
Speaker 1: on offense those last four or five six games, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I necessarily see that improving in an
Speaker 1: obvious way in twenty twenty. So I think it's probably
Speaker 1: more of the same or a step back, but still
Speaker 1: in every game because they're so well coached and so disciplined.
Speaker 1: So yeah, six and four season feels about right, and
Speaker 1: they're not going to get blown out of the water
Speaker 1: by anybody.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like year two could be the transition year.
Speaker 2: You know, you expect it in year one. Year two
Speaker 2: could be that year for Chris Climban. Really inexperienced on offense.
Speaker 2: This is a team that definitely would have benefited from
Speaker 2: a spring from a more traditional preseason where you weren't
Speaker 2: afraid to go near people. Yeah, they really have gotten
Speaker 2: some benefit from that. The line has to replace almost everybody,
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, one factoid that mainly interests. Tom Hammond, I'm
Speaker 2: ready even more interesting than my Josh young Blood lived
Speaker 2: with the Climban family this spring. We'll stick with Josh Reevis.
Speaker 2: He was an all big twelver along the line despite
Speaker 2: not starting a single game.
Speaker 1: They moved him around to enjoy that.
Speaker 2: And he's going to be obviously starting this year, but
Speaker 2: they got to find the other four guys around him
Speaker 2: up front. Just a lot of turnover here. I see
Speaker 2: the step back year as well. I think Chris Clime
Speaker 2: is a really good coach really.
Speaker 1: At Iowa State, at Oklahoma and at Baylor, just in
Speaker 1: terms of how the road home splits work out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just as like an experiment goes, I think
Speaker 2: he was able to prove out that his North Dakota
Speaker 2: States system can translate to the FBS level.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he brought he brought coaches with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel optimistic about this program longer term.
Speaker 2: I think he's a good guy for this program.
Speaker 1: But if they develop a quarterback, if they develop a quarterback,
Speaker 1: they're going to be in such And this is again,
Speaker 1: like I said before, anybody can say this, but I
Speaker 1: think the infrastructure in Manhattan is particularly interesting. So I
Speaker 1: think there are really intriguing things to come for the Cats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're upgrading facilities, They're trying to build something around him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like it. I do like it. Great same page, TI,
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about Texas Tech? I would
Speaker 1: love to. So the Alan Bowman thing, there's no more
Speaker 1: Jet Duffy. We know this that he just Alan Bowman
Speaker 1: has just been just flat out unlucky injury wise. Are
Speaker 1: their pieces? Are their stretches? Are their units? Are their groups?
Speaker 1: Is there something about twenty nineteen that tells you twenty twenty?
Speaker 1: I mean, they have these a ton of weird games
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So is it like a bounce back
Speaker 1: thing where it's just going to the universe is going
Speaker 1: to even out for the Red Raiders and finally Alan
Speaker 1: Bohm's gonna be healthy? What is give me some optimism
Speaker 1: for people in Lubbock? Four and eight a year ago? God,
Speaker 1: that Kansas loss.
Speaker 2: I understand the pessimism. They bring Matt Wells over from
Speaker 2: Utah State. They did lose four games by a field
Speaker 2: goal or less, and that includes loss at Baylor and
Speaker 2: at home against k State again a bowl team. They
Speaker 2: were not as bad as their four and eight record,
Speaker 2: which I take as a positive. And when British comedy
Speaker 2: legend Alan Bowman is not injured, especially pairing him up
Speaker 2: with TJ. Vasher out wide, I feel really optimistic about
Speaker 2: the passing game.
Speaker 1: They're full on good, they're full on all the Bowman
Speaker 1: is a full on good quarterback and.
Speaker 2: I like the transition to more of a balanced offense.
Speaker 2: I think it's a welcome change because tech has almost
Speaker 2: become a caricature of itself over these last I don't know,
Speaker 2: however many years that we've seen air raid after air
Speaker 2: raid after air raid. I'm not saying this is not
Speaker 2: air raid, but it's a little bit more on the
Speaker 2: balance side of the equation, all right. Plus, look David Yost,
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: He has top right haber hair.
Speaker 2: He's like a mix between Boris Johnson and Harry Dunn
Speaker 2: and maybe somebody else. But it's hard not to be
Speaker 2: optimistic about that.
Speaker 1: So I am.
Speaker 2: I am optimistic because it's year two of that system.
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman is presumably healthy and their ability has not
Speaker 2: been his things so far, but he's got a ton
Speaker 2: of talent. I think he can have a lot of
Speaker 2: success in this system. Definitely more balanced than the one
Speaker 2: they ran a year ago.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 2: Vasher is one of those, one of those dudes. He's
Speaker 2: a target. He six six, He's a mountain of a man.
Speaker 2: I think he can be a walking highlight reel. So
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic about that. Okay, defensively, I they led the
Speaker 2: nation in takeaways per game. They play a hyper aggressive
Speaker 2: system under Keith Patterson and that people.
Speaker 1: Have mixed thoughts about him. But yeah, I know, but
Speaker 1: that's fun.
Speaker 2: Just that mentality is fun, that attacking, aggressive mentality that
Speaker 2: we often like to make fun of.
Speaker 1: That's fun. Yeah, and it worked at Utah State really
Speaker 1: really well in that final season. Huge results there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of returning production on defense as well.
Speaker 2: Eli Howard up front, he was All Conference last year.
Speaker 2: Not great that they lose Jordan Brooks to the NFL.
Speaker 2: They're linebacker, but the cupboard at linebacker is not bear.
Speaker 1: They're going to be okay there.
Speaker 2: So you know, combined with what is it, three defensive backs, Yeah,
Speaker 2: three defensive backs who are returning on defense, I feel
Speaker 2: optimistic that the defense can take another step forward. But
Speaker 2: reason for optimism if only because it's year two under
Speaker 2: Matt Wells, and I.
Speaker 1: Think he's a good coach for pessimism.
Speaker 2: Everything else is a reason for pessimism, But everything else
Speaker 2: is a reason for pessimism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was rough, I mean, yeah, the inability to
Speaker 1: close out games. And it's Jet Duffy, so they didn't
Speaker 1: want to start him over Alan Bowman obviously, So whatever
Speaker 1: Texas Tech looked like wasn't fully And Jet Duffy had
Speaker 1: incredible moment at the same time. So you hope with health,
Speaker 1: you hope, with universe balancing out, that they could go
Speaker 1: five and five something like that, where they're just an
Speaker 1: entertaining team in games as much as they are on top,
Speaker 1: as as much as I are, I guess just coming
Speaker 1: up short something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, Okay, I want to I want
Speaker 2: to be more optimistic about Tech.
Speaker 1: I really do, so be more optimistic.
Speaker 2: And I still think that this is probably an above
Speaker 2: average team. Like I think if we were in a
Speaker 2: normal year where bull eligibility was you know, six wins,
Speaker 2: I think they would get to Bowl eligibility. So I
Speaker 2: think in that sense, they take a step forward, but
Speaker 2: it's it's still a long way to go here.
Speaker 1: To be honest, needs to go on. Their defense was
Speaker 1: a full on nightmare a few years ago, and now
Speaker 1: they're simply average ish, maybe below average, and so and.
Speaker 2: They take they take the ball away.
Speaker 1: That's fun. They take the ball away, which is if
Speaker 1: you can't tackle in the open field consistently, if you
Speaker 1: can't figure out coverages consistently, that's a good consolation tie.
Speaker 1: No argument from me. The town level needs to be
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. And I if they're healthy on offense.
Speaker 1: And by the way, nobody ever mentions TJ. Basher without
Speaker 1: mentioning his height, so fall into that group of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard six seven sometimes during broadcasts. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Texas TeX's in a pretty good place just because
Speaker 1: Alan Bowman, healthy and at his best, is one of
Speaker 1: the three best quarterbacks in this conference. Four Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a good starting point. I like it's
Speaker 1: going to be a white We saw the success Jordan
Speaker 1: Love had at Utah State in this system. David Yost.
Speaker 1: I mean, the reason we called James Franklin casual address
Speaker 1: James Franklin is because of that David Yost offense or
Speaker 1: partial David Yost offense. So I am. I'm optimistic. There's entertainment.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be optimistic and turnovers are random. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna leave the country and takeaways again. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like that aggression and I think they're going to
Speaker 1: be in most of their games, which will have me watching.
Speaker 2: And if Alan Bowman should get hurt again, which we're
Speaker 2: not rooting for. No, his backup is a red shirt
Speaker 2: freshman by the name of Maverick mckiver.
Speaker 1: I did see that year over here. The Texas at
Speaker 1: quarterback names are just incredible, truly incredible. Yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yes, give me your top five to close it out
Speaker 2: here in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: Rank your top five tist Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa State. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said before. I think Baylor, Oklahoma State. Wow,
Speaker 1: you're high on Baylor. Yeah, I mean I'm I think
Speaker 1: there's just gonna be a lot of six and four,
Speaker 1: five and five, four and six in there, with a
Speaker 1: lot of tiebreaker types stuff. Ugh, I could I could
Speaker 1: also throw Kansas State in there. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a lot of middle class.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and
Speaker 2: oh god, TCU.
Speaker 1: Wow, would it be full on strange if Oklahoma did
Speaker 1: not win the conference. No, oh, okay, I think it
Speaker 1: will be.
Speaker 2: It would feel awkward. I still think they've got the
Speaker 2: highest level of talent of any team in the conference.
Speaker 2: But you know, the the quarterback thing is an open question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's I think I think it's possible. I
Speaker 2: think teams like like Texas have enough talent that they
Speaker 2: could contend. I don't think they are nearly as reliable
Speaker 2: at this point, but it helps to have the best
Speaker 2: quarterback in the conference.
Speaker 1: Sure. Wait, you think Sam Allener is the best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the conference.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay? Oh, I hope the Sam stinker does not
Speaker 1: hold Texas back from your your potential hope here? Okay? Great?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: Can I can I finish the show with one more question? Please?
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Speaker 1: all right, So let's see what Pick three of them?
Speaker 2: Pick three of these? Okay, well, I am always partial
Speaker 2: to nachos. You have many o's here in the nachos.
Speaker 1: Do they travel? Do they travel?
Speaker 2: They don't travel, but they don't travel.
Speaker 1: No, we're not going to be watching games in bars
Speaker 1: this fall.
Speaker 2: I would say Casey d is one in that sense,
Speaker 2: is a good picks is one, probably Tots two and
Speaker 2: Devil Eggs that does not travel. I just love Devil Leggs.
Speaker 2: That's why I do like Deviled Eggs. They don't travel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't travel. Correct, Like the Miami fan based.
Speaker 1: Whoa, we'll go.
Speaker 2: I'm still going to go nachos three. Still going to
Speaker 2: go nachos three? Yeah, case is Tots nachos three.
Speaker 1: I would probably put mazzarella sticks because of structural integrity
Speaker 1: and crunch. Yeah, I'm putting monzarella sticks in there, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go Frickles tots and season frove. No,
Speaker 1: I already have the tot for potato. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: wings frickles tots.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, covered a lot of ground on this show.
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