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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 2: Boys and girls. My name is ty hilden Brandt. That

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Speaker 2: fine gentleman over there, his name is Dan Rubinstein and

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Speaker 2: alas we are the solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: At long last in preview mode, Dan, how are you, Ty?

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Speaker 1: I am hydrated, I am caffeinated. I took advil just

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Speaker 1: in case. Not a sponsor, anti inflammatory shout out to

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Speaker 1: all of you. And I don't know the significance of

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Speaker 1: going forward for whatever happens these next few months with

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Speaker 1: college football and the rest of the world. But as

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Speaker 1: somebody who has led a nomadic existence since late month March,

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Speaker 1: we're talking, oh, six pairs of underwear, Max, We're talking total.

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Speaker 1: This single sliver this droplet of normalcy. Tie that we

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Speaker 1: get to do a conference preview on this show after

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Speaker 1: what Earth has looked like in twenty twenty. It brings

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Speaker 1: me so much joy that I had to harness it

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Speaker 1: by listening to both ACDC and Rage against the Machine

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Speaker 1: am thrilled to be here, sir.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am fired up. I'm a little worried that

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Speaker 2: twelve preview before us. It's our first in preparation for

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Speaker 2: Big twelve. But doesn't matter what happens the rest of

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Speaker 2: the way. They could scrap the whole damn thing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: At least we'll have one preview, Dan, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you, and maybe you would echo the

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Speaker 2: Game twenty twenty. It felt surprisingly good to even look

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Speaker 2: at the bad spots of the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people have those trashy romance and sexy novels

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Speaker 1: And we're just gonna we're gonna go from there all.

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Speaker 2: this year. Interestingly enough, the offense to me seems to

435
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Speaker 2: be the overhauled side of the ball, just because Spencer

436
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: Ratler now steps in and he's had experienced former number

437
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: one overall quarterback recruit, and they're pretty beat up at receiver.

438
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: They lose Ceede Lamb from last season, and a couple

439
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: of guys Jaydon Hazelwood and Theo Howard go down in

440
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: the offseason hurt. They lost a receiver named Bridges who

441
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: was promising, I think a former five star. He was

442
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 2: suspended and he's also in that that Ronnie Perkins situation

443
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: of suspended for a few games to start the year.

444
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: The good news for the offense is the offensive line

445
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: is in good shape and Lincoln Riley is still the

446
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: one wearing a headset and telling the offense what plays

447
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: to run. But you know, hold on on that point

448
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: there for a second, please, Spencer Rattler is a lot

449
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: less experienced than any quarterback that Lincoln Riley's had in

450
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: his time at Oklahoma. Now, I think I think we've

451
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: developed a level of confidence around what Lincoln Riley can do.

452
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: But this is his fourth different quarterback starter in four years.

453
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: This guy's got a lot less experience. He sure as

454
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: hell has not built like Jalen Hurts. He's got a

455
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: little bit of Baker Mayfield in I'm not gonna lie,

456
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: but he's not built like a mac truck like Jalen Hurts.

457
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: And he's got the line in front of him, and

458
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, all that's fine and dandy, but.

459
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Speaker 1: He's got a huge arm, my man, huge arm.

460
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Speaker 2: I am interested in what he can do. I think

461
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: he's going to be really good. I'm most interested in

462
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: that point that you brought up about who he's throwing to.

463
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Because we had d Lamb losing, we had the Hazelwood injury.

464
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: I want to see the young guns out wide. I

465
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: want to see theo weees. I want to see Marvin Mims,

466
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: Arselston Rambo. Yeah, show me what these guys can do.

467
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not going to perform, but this

468
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: is a receiving core that I'm frankly just anxious to see.

469
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about There's a lot of

470
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Speaker 2: potential there, but how will they all mesh especially in

471
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: recurring theme here that I'll talk a lot about a

472
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: very weird preseason and no spring.

473
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Speaker 1: Right, I'm with you again. The good news is Lincoln

474
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: Riley's been there, and we have, you know, teams across

475
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Speaker 1: the country with new offensive coordinators and new quarterbacks, including

476
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: one I happen to root for. So the fact is

477
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt should lie squarely on the

478
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Speaker 1: shoulders of Oklahoma's offense because of Lincoln Riley, because and

479
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: the sort of opposite way of looking at it is

480
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler's the first quarterback who's really had time to

481
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: get into the system without being counted on right away,

482
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield were being thrown into it.

483
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Speaker 1: Even though Baker Mayfield did read sure when he sat

484
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: out a year, he was thrust into it. Yeah. The

485
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: other great news on the other side of the ball

486
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: is if you look around the conference in terms of

487
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: what the offenses look like. Now, I know Texas has

488
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: interesting talent on offense and a fourth year starting quarterback

489
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: in Sam Ellinger, new coordinator without time to really implement

490
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: to a detailed point like they would in a normal season.

491
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: So it's sort of the same for everybody that's it's

492
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: a step back though that that teams usually have. It's

493
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: a step back from I guess normalcy Baylor new offensive coordinator,

494
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: new head coach TCU, I don't think. I think Max

495
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: Duggan's interesting, but he's not Bomber. You're not immediately super scared.

496
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: Texas Tech has had injury after injury to comedy legend

497
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: Alan Bowman. West Virginia on offense, especially at quarterback, was

498
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: not anything scary. Last year. Kansas had moments. Iowa State

499
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: has rock Party, which is really promising to me. Spencer

500
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: Sanders is not all that scary to me. With a

501
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: new coordinator at Oklahoma State, a promoted associate head coach,

502
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: receivers coach, which I never am a huge, huge fan

503
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: of a long time position coach being promoted. So the

504
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: context of what Oklahoma's defense can do with regard to

505
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, it's pretty good. Yeah.

506
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: Well, you know two things that jump out at me

507
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: from last year. They gave not a banger's only conference.

508
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: It's in terms of scary offenses.

509
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: It's not to the.

510
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Initial point, to the initial question. They gave up a

511
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: lot of big plays last year, especially on the ground.

512
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: Sure can they shore that up? Short, They've got depth,

513
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: They've got what nine guys back, so they're going to

514
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: be fine on defense. I would expect that they're going

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: to take Yeah, eventually, I would expect they're going to

516
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: take that step forward. The other component here, we're talking

517
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: about Alex grianch Schreight. What's his deal. He likes havoc

518
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: plays and he likes turnovers.

519
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

520
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: They didn't create as many as I'm sure he would

521
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: have liked. To his credit, they should have had more.

522
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: It does not help when guys drop interceptions the way

523
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: Oklahoma did a year. Right.

524
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: There some randomness, a lot of random.

525
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: A lot of Yeah, sure, if they can shore up

526
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: one or even both of those points to just some

527
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: marginal degree that will make them much better as a defense,

528
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: much more dangerous, as we asked at the top of

529
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: this little capsule here.

530
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know how you feel about Oklahoma, Dan.

531
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Speaker 2: I think I agree with most of what you said.

532
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: It is hard to see this team losing more than

533
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: like one game if they're going to lose at all

534
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: and look like we we look at Oklahoma on their

535
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: old schedule, there was like a four game stretch that

536
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: might have been tricky.

537
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Might have been tricky.

538
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: They had a game against Texas, an all time let

539
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: down look ahead spot, the following week on the road

540
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: at Iowa State before coming back home for a Bedlam game.

541
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that.

542
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: Have we seen the Big twelve schedule at time of recording,

543
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

544
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Speaker 1: No, it's being reworked as we speak. I think I

545
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: saw that Red River is supposed to stay in Dallas

546
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: as of a while ago, so we'll see if that changes.

547
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: But otherwise, no, it's just because they want to It's

548
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: a nine plus one schedule and they want to rework

549
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: it to work in bye weeks and different options. And

550
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: they're not in a cancelations. They're not going to play

551
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: on August and twenty ninth. Originally they had moved that

552
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Missouri State game. That's not going to happen now, So

553
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: we're waiting to find out what the Big Twelve schedule

554
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: is at time of recording here. But my only point

555
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: is I think the rework schedule is actually going to

556
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: work in their favor too. Like we already know who

557
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: they're playing, right, like they always play all these teams.

558
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: But I think the way that they might rework things

559
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: to accommodate this new reality is also something else that

560
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: will benefit Oklahoma. So again my view probably yours as well,

561
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is a team to beat until proven otherwise in

562
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve agreed, disagree with Edlam week one. Let's

563
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: do it. No, they're absolutely there is no clear obvious challenger.

564
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: The only one from a talent standpoint is Texas. But

565
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: you know what to expect from Texas year and year out.

566
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Speaker 1: I leave to you now because I have a question

567
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: for you as your transition. I am saying, here, let's

568
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: do it, let's do it. I'm ready. I'm going to

569
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: stick with the bread that you like, spreading your intellectual

570
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: butter on top of time. Yes, you know the the

571
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: undertaker clip or image or gift of him literally rising

572
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: from a laying down position, bolting up to ninety degree

573
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: from the coffin from the coffin, So from zero to

574
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: ninety if you could give me an undertaker angle with

575
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: ninety ninety being full on, Vince Young's walking through that door.

576
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: There he is Vince Young. He's suiting up once again

577
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: and laying straight in the coffin being I don't know

578
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: the worst of David Ash, the worst of any of

579
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: the case McCoy, Garret Kilbert, I don't know. Give give

580
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: me an angle, Give me an undertaker seventy two, taken

581
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: up angle seven seventy two, seventy two.

582
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: And by the way, in this analogy, I am Paul

583
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: Bearer as the weird hype man promoting Texas's back or

584
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: not back.

585
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: I am the ref looking away at the right moments.

586
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: What I would like to know from Texas fans is

587
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: whether or not that Texas being back thing is perpetuated

588
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: by the fan base or the boosters, or mainly just

589
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: by the national media, which is frankly a little more

590
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: disconnected from the program. My sense is that it's more

591
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: national than local. But there is no doubt, more pressure

592
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: on Tom Herman to more seriously contend for the conferences

593
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: here or, if not this year next. Otherwise he would

594
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: not have hit the reset button on both the offense

595
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: and defense the way he did this offseason. So as

596
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: we enter twenty twenty, Texas went eight and five last year.

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: They beat Utah in the bowl game. They beat Oklahoma

598
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: in the regular season, which was nice. It's pretty much

599
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: it still had the five losses. They were decidedly not

600
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: back last season.

601
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Correct, Agree, Yeah, I mean there were extenuating circumstances for sure,

602
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: But yes, it was a more challenging year than I

603
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: think we anticipated given how they ended twenty eighteen. But

604
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: it happens. It does happen.

605
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: It does happen. So I look at what he's doing here.

606
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: He fired both his coordinators. It does feel a little

607
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: like he's trying to build Ohio State south and I

608
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: think Texas fans would be.

609
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Cool with that. Yeah, worst models, TI, worst models.

610
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: He got rid of Tim Beck, previous offensive coordinator, who

611
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: replaced him with Mike Yersich, who comes over from Ohio State.

612
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I think we would see that as an upgrade. Also

613
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: got rid of Todd Orlando, bringing in Chris Ash to

614
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: run the defense. Chris ad formerly before his Rutgers stop,

615
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: was the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Yep, it was

616
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: the right move. I think, the right move at the

617
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: right time on both fronts. He just got really unlucky

618
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: with the pandemic. It's just hard to start over like

619
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: this amid all this without the spring, with the in

620
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: person stuff being so different. Don't be surprised if this

621
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: does not click right away again, recurring theme, do not

622
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: be surprised, Dan, if this does not click right away right? Okay,

623
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: that said, I really like this team. I know you're

624
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: going to be shocked to hear that, but I said

625
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: it a couple episodes ago. I think Sam Ellinger is

626
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: still underrated. I think the running game is going to

627
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: be better. I think Friend of the Show herb Hand

628
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: did an awesome job with the line last year.

629
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Rebuilt the line, Man built the line. Run in a dark place.

630
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in a perfect world where you know,

631
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 2: Mike yoursicch could maybe more prop or more comfortably install

632
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: the offense. He would build off that line because the

633
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: foundation is there. What was really missing last year was

634
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: the creativity. And we knew that because it was Tim Beck.

635
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: You got to sound somewhere. I should find it.

636
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: I should have been prepared here, But we've got the

637
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: bech Meyer syndrome. Sound is it you're sitch or you're sick.

638
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: I was always an impression of it's you're sick. I

639
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: believe it's your sich. But he did something he was

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: at he was at Shippensburg.

641
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Right by the way here it is can't live arm

642
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: or speak at normal, right, that's the bech Meyer syndrome.

643
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: Sound whatever, whether it's you're sitch or you're sick.

644
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: He knows the.

645
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Conference from his time in Oklahoma State. He did a

646
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: hell of a job with Justin Fields last year. He

647
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: wants this offense to be more vertical, no more of

648
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: the five yard dink and dunk stuff that we saw.

649
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: I am most interested in what he does this passing game,

650
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: how it looks differently, how he uses j Smith, how

651
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: he used Brendan Eagles. Also, treege Black came down from

652
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: Michigan as a grad transfer, and Jordan Whittingham is now

653
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: a converted wide receiver from the running back position. Josh

654
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Moore has a ton of upside and just I'm really

655
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: intrigued in what he can do with this offense, how

656
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: he can implement some degree of creativity that simply was

657
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: not there under Tim Back. I think he has the

658
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: personnel to do it. He's got the best quarterback in

659
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: the Big twelve to do it with. I am excited

660
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: about this offense.

661
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the big name too is Kyanta Ingram.

662
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: The fact that he took the step forward for the

663
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Texas running game last year will only open things up

664
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: for the passing game. We saw how much success Justin

665
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Fields had with play action. I think that that becomes

666
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: such a major threat now because that was and Texas

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: has had running backs. Certainly, they went into last season

668
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: unsure of what they had at running back like they

669
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: did the last couple of years. But Keanta Ingram being

670
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: a I think one of the best, probably eight or

671
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: nine running backs in the country should should be a

672
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: huge boost for what this offense can do creatively. And yeah,

673
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it. The problem is, it seems

674
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: like Sam Ellinger and maybe it won't really derail what

675
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: their season can be if we get a full season.

676
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: He always seems to have that stinker in him. He

677
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: does have you look up. He does you'll look up

678
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: at at you know, six forty four Eastern and he's

679
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: got three picks in the first half, and you're like, oh,

680
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, You're wrong. There's always a not Sam

681
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Ellinger's week week, and I wonder if that once again

682
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: comes to fruition.

683
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Texas defense because that's a new

684
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: installation as well. Chris Ash comes in. Job one has

685
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: to be back to the basics. Focus on tackling, all right,

686
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: that will be hard again. Weird off season, no spring.

687
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I get it.

688
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: They led the nation in miss tackles a year ago.

689
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: If they want to get better, that's where they got

690
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: to start.

691
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Tackle guys.

692
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: That is the point of defense. The other thing that

693
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Chris Ash needs to do, Like Todd Orlando was so

694
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: aggressive last year, kind of like the guy in video

695
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: games just blitzes the house every play in Madden and

696
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: that's coot.

697
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have anything, didn't have anything behind it.

698
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: It's great when it works and it's fun to do,

699
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: but it just didn't work last year. Ninety fourth in

700
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: the country in yards allowed per attempt, ninetieth in quarterback

701
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: rating allowed one hundredth and completion percentage allowed. Chris Ash

702
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: needs to just like pull back on that throat a

703
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: little bit, pull it back. I think that's an instant improvement. Otherwise,

704
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: what he's switching to a four? It's hard to keep

705
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: track of all these guys switching. He does like a

706
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: sort of four three four to five quarters. Look, Yeah,

707
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: it's a four to three four two five quarters. Look,

708
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: Joseph Osai could have gone pro. He's going to play

709
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: the jack position this year, which is kind of like

710
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: a stand up defensive lineman. Hopefully he can help generate

711
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: more of a pass rush otherwise, you know, I I'm

712
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: in love with Caden Stearns. We talked about that at

713
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: the back end of the secondary. No disrespect to b

714
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: J Foster and Chris Brown, they're also very good. But

715
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: Cayden Stern's my boy. Hurt, ye know, I know everybody's hurt.

716
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: They had a terrible time with injuries. But I just

717
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: think focusing on the basics, throttling back that aggressiveness is

718
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: going to put Texas in a much better place defensively.

719
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: I think that's what Chris ash is going to do. Yeah,

720
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I think that's all reasonable. I'm I am high on Texas.

721
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how high but they've recruited so well,

722
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: and they have the experience of Sam Ellinger, and I'm

723
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: worried about new coordinators on both sides in terms of

724
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: just the ability to teach and learn and get reps,

725
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: mental reps, physical reps and spring camp and all those things.

726
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: But I think they're going to be relatively simplified, and

727
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: that works when you can out talent just about everybody

728
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: you play. So that's right. If Texas can get out

729
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: of their own way, they'll be fine.

730
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: Why is Oklahoma State's offense suddenly a question? Is it

731
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: fair to say that the offense is a question because

732
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: for like the last decade, it has been a powerhouse offense.

733
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: Mike Gundy has continually done more with less in the

734
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: talent space. It has really been his calling card for

735
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: so long. And I look at this team and I

736
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: actually have more questions about the offense than I do.

737
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: I think the defense, Yeah, it's weird. I mean, they're

738
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: returning a lot on defense, which is why I think

739
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: the questions are on offense. And they lost Tylan Wallace

740
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: last year to the season ending injury. I think in

741
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: late October he's back and practicing, which is great news.

742
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: And so it is good news. I mean, obviously Chewba

743
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: Hubbard is fantastic news for any team that has him

744
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: in their backfield, which Oklahoma State does. I think the

745
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: problem is, and it has been the majority of the

746
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: decade because of how long Mason Rudolphin you had the

747
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: year of your guy, the corn Dog, Taylor Cornelias, Sure

748
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: College are just running the offense for Oklahoma State. The

749
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: problem now is Spencer Sanders had a red shirt ear

750
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: he had time to pick up some sort of offense

751
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: because this will now be his third coordinator in three years.

752
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: So going from you're sick, to Sean Gleeson who moved

753
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: on to Rutgers, came in from Princeton, and now to

754
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: Casey Dunn who and I mentioned this at the top,

755
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm never crazy, and it's because I've been hurt before. Ty, Yeah,

756
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm never crazy about the ten year position coach finally

757
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: getting a call up to coordinator, where usually if you're

758
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: somewhere for a long time, and maybe he loves stillwater,

759
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's got tremendous roots there. It loves, you know,

760
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: coaching at Oklahoma State. And obviously he has developed great

761
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: receiver after great receiver in stillwater. But the Don Pelham

762
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: thing really warped my brainwiring, is it not? It is?

763
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: It very much is. So that's a little bit troubling

764
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: to me because obviously I think he's had overtures to

765
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: be hired as a receiver's coach everywhere because he's done

766
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: such a good job there. So that's a little bit

767
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: worrisome just for Spencer Sanders because he does miss the

768
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: last two or three games of the year, I think

769
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: with a thumb injury. But he had the highest interception

770
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: rate of any quarterback in the country as a red

771
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: shirt freshman. And I understand you can say, okay was

772
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: his first year starting. He was just a red shirt freshman.

773
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: But usually for the sake of optimism in a conference

774
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: without a ton of lockdown defenses everywhere, you want to

775
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: see something, and especially with the thread of Chewba Hobbard

776
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: running wild on every single snap and receivers that are

777
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: very good. I think I expected more from a quarterback

778
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, and that I didn't see it, I

779
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: think tells me right now that Spencer Sanders' ceiling is

780
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: modest interesting. That's the nice thing I can say that

781
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: I think quarterback recruitment development, offensive coordinator hiring, and continuity

782
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I think has really pumped some breaks at Oklahoma State,

783
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: So that that has me worried. I like the receivers,

784
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: I like the skill talent around Spencer Sanders. I like

785
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: the recruiting of the skill talent around Spencer Sanders. The

786
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: line should be fine, I'm I'm just worried that there's

787
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: no traditional bomber to him in the way that we

788
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: had with Mason Rudolph going to Junkyard Jim Washington downfield

789
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: interesting and that that reduces them to maybe an eight

790
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: and four type ceiling to me, when if they had

791
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, then they're at nine and three, ten and

792
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: two type team to me.

793
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if they go eight and four this year,

794
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Bob Bowlsby's he's working miracles to get twelve games in.

795
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: But I sorry, Tak, you know what I'm saying, Give

796
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: me the winning percentage of eight and four or nine whatever.

797
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: I take your plant though, it's yeah, it's but the

798
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: defense does return a ton, and they return their coordinator

799
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Jim Knowles, who had them. I think moving in the

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: right direction, they and whatever their schedule looks like, they're

801
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma for Bedlum. They're at Baylor and this is

802
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: new look Baylor for sure, and they host Texas, so

803
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: it's it's okay.

804
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: This is a really big year for Oklahoma stake because

805
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: they got nineteen guys back, including Chewba Hubbard, who led

806
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: the nation with almost what twenty one hundred rushing yards

807
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: something like that, Tyland Wallace coming back from that acl

808
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: Both of those guys, by the way, could have declared

809
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: for the draft, but they didn't. And it's like it's

810
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: sort of an unsung fact about the Gundy era. But

811
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: he's really good at keeping guys from leaving early, and

812
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: he's done it again here. He's retained that three headed

813
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. In Spencer Sanders, Chewba Hubbard,

814
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: and Tyland Wallace. There is some depth this year behind Cuba. Likewise,

815
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: there is some depth out wide with the likes of

816
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Dylan Stoner and Braden Johnson, both of whom had you know,

817
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: good years last year in Wallace's absence. I share your

818
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: skep decism though about Spencer Sanders. He was Big twelve

819
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: Freshman of the year, so clearly he did something right.

820
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and can run. He can run.

821
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: He showed improvement before missing the final two games with

822
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: that thumb injury. I'm always a little hesitant though, what

823
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: it does feel like so much comes down to one guy,

824
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: and that is partially inherent to the quarterback position. I

825
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: get it, but the interception rate was high year ago,

826
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: and there was plenty of reason too, I think be

827
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: skeptical of what he might be just from a ceiling standpoint.

828
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: So I'm very mixed here. I think I share your

829
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: kind of just uneasiness around the offense and what it

830
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: can be. Weirdly that the defense isn't such a good spot,

831
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: you know, like it's loaded, there's a good line, it's

832
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: good secondary.

833
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna be fine.

834
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: You have a good defense in the Big twelve. That's

835
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: that's a competitive advantage, no doubt, but just a little

836
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: a little uneasy about so much being on the arm

837
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: of a young guy like Spencer Sanders.

838
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I see it in I mean, this

839
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: is really any conference, but if we're talking about the

840
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Big twelve today, you either have to do something really great.

841
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: You have to be twenty nineteen Baylor, where the offense

842
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: is inconsistent and pretty sluggish, but the defense you got

843
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of killers, and they're so well coached. You

844
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: know how I feel about Phil Snow. You run an

845
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: air raid, that's just you can't guard receivers. You run

846
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: the hell out of the ball. Even Texas, Texas, with

847
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: all of their struggles, they've lined up some killers at

848
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: receiver these past few years. They've absolutely you know, their

849
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: killer ability was getting the ball to some speed in

850
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: space and really making teams pay. That was the best

851
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: of Texas. And what does Iowa State do great? Well?

852
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: They really improved their defense and they had a wild

853
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: card quarterback in brock Purty that really excited you. And

854
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: West Virginia had Will Greer and a ton of speed

855
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: and a really creative offense under Holgo. Right now at

856
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: home of State, you either have to do everything competently

857
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: or you have to do something great. And I don't

858
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: see the Pokes doing either one of those things to

859
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: be that weekly threat to anybody in the conference. Open

860
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: to being wrong for sure. The one thing that they

861
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: do great is run the ball, and it didn't make

862
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: a huge, huge difference last year. And so that's what

863
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: concerns me that Chuba Hubbard, for his runaway ability, unlike

864
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: any other probably maybe other than Travis etn running back

865
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: in the country isn't quite enough given where football is

866
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, with how wide open and how important

867
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: passing is, That's what concerns me.

868
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: I think we are like minded on Oklahoma State. Let

869
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: me stick with the top tier or upper CRUSTA will

870
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: call it of the Big Twelve and ask about Iowa

871
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: State because they really are that. I think, oh, just

872
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: skipping over differendas Baylor Bears in the Big Twelve championship

873
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: game last year. We'll come back to Baylor in a second.

874
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, WHOA Okay?

875
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: Is twenty twenty the year that Iowa State finally goes

876
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: from like being this scrappy team that scares the crap

877
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: out of you to a true substantial competitor given brock Purty,

878
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: given all the close losses they had last season, is

879
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: this the year for Matt Campbell where that transition occurs?

880
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: When when the tough got going late in twenty nineteen,

881
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Iowa State lost close. That's sort of what happened with

882
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: the Clothes.

883
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: They were seven points away from ten to two and

884
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: fourteen points away from an eleven to one record and

885
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: making it into that Big Twelve title game.

886
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I mean the Baylor game, the Oklahoma comeback

887
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: that almost was Oklahoma State Iowa they lose by a point.

888
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, So Iowa State they're dealing with and

889
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: reason twenty nineteen. Most notably, I think it was a

890
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: shoulder injury to Greg Eysworth, one of the absolute best

891
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: safeties in the country, and rock Party. The end of

892
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this already, but the end of

893
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma State game last year, we just kept throwing interceptions.

894
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: Felt like his Tin Cup moment. Just he's refusing to

895
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: lay up and it was a rough watch. And that's

896
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: all correctable. That's the good news. That's all correctable. They

897
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: have a promising young running back in Bresee Hall. They

898
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: don't have the same I guess level weapons on the outside,

899
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: but they're really strong at tight end. They're strong on

900
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: the line. So in terms of the big humans on offense,

901
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: I feel good about the clones. They lose a good amount,

902
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: especially upfront on defense, but even still they're in good shape.

903
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: They've recruited well, there's a lot more depth than there

904
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: was ever before. It's just like you mentioned, it's playing

905
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: four full quarters. It's not disappearing for a quarter and

906
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 1: a half early and then having to furiously come back.

907
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: It's not coming back, and then blowing it repeatedly. It's okay,

908
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: you're now at the stage where you're now on the

909
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: stage essentially, now it's time to perform well. And I

910
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: actually feel really good about it. And it's more about

911
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: the context of what I talked about with the conference

912
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: as a whole, where there's not a lot of obvious

913
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: killing units whatever, that Iowa State has the benefit of experience,

914
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: of coaching, of continuity. I mean, it's their coordinators are

915
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: both there. I really like, was it John Haycock who's

916
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: been there, you know, for a couple of years now

917
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: and had that sort of defense that a lot of

918
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: people have been copying that, you know, jamming the middle

919
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: and the three two six and you know, having speed

920
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: all over the field. So it's he has been copied

921
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: because of how effective that defense has been in that

922
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: conference against the air raids. So there's a lot to

923
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: like about Iowa State, and I'm just going to be

924
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: one of those people liking it, especially since I think

925
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: they get both Oklahoma and Baylor at home. They're in

926
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Austin and we're just we're working under this assumption once

927
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: again that the home road splits are going to remain

928
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: for the big twelves nine conference games for each team.

929
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: But just we don't know the order. So I think

930
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: that the continuity thing, the experience thing, the walk before

931
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: you run, maybe they were walking, power walking and jogging.

932
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: I think finally in brock Parties third year as a starter,

933
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: I think they're ready to run if they can find

934
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: a problem on the outside on offense in a good way.

935
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, and they've figured out ways to create that problem

936
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: on the outside.

937
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had them. Each of the years that Matt

938
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: Campbell's been there.

939
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: They've had to replace Alan Lazard or a team Butler like,

940
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: they've had to do this, and they've continuously found ways

941
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: to get production out wide. I'm just going to come

942
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: back to a point that you mentioned. I think we're

943
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: really going to see it pay dividends this year. Recruiting

944
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: has been better, a lot better. Depth is one of

945
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: those topics. It never gets mentioned. It's one of the

946
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: biggest differences between the top rung teams and everybody else.

947
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Ioway State was not there at all when Matt Campbell

948
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: took over. They are not there yet, but they are

949
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: going in the right direction.

950
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love their tight end Charlie Cohler, He's Charlie.

951
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: Kohler and Chase Allen, who's also very good at tight

952
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: end position, so he's he's really bolstered that position group.

953
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Cohler led the team in receptions last year. Mm hm.

954
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: So I think this is going to be a good

955
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: team on offense. I have questions about the line. Defensively,

956
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: they've got a lot coming back, one of the better

957
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 2: defenses in the conference. If we had a rank two

958
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: through four.

959
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: In the Big Twelve, where do you come down on that?

960
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: I think I would go Texas to Iowa State three,

961
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: Baylor four. Baylor loses so much on defense though there's

962
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: so much new about Baylor.

963
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: I just I have I'm not in on Baylor at

964
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: all this year.

965
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: I was in last year. I'm not this year.

966
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: I know.

967
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I just I saw bad Max doug in a little too.

968
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: I go, I go Texas, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State

969
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: in that order.

970
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: You like the Pokes over the clones, I think so. Okay,

971
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: I think so all right?

972
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because of that, because of that Chuba Hubbard,

973
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: Tylan Wallace Combo.

974
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's pretty close to me. Yeah, what

975
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: a brutal history between those two. I love it. Okay,

976
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about?

977
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: Can you tell me what questions do you have about Baylor?

978
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: What am I not answering for you? That I need

979
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: to answer to prove my case here that they should

980
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: not be in that top tier.

981
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Okay, so they obviously they're the example we talked at

982
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: the top about how do you take that next step?

983
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Baylor was mister next step these past couple of years

984
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: under Matt Ruhle. Who damn, you did a great job

985
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: in Waco. So Dave r Anna gets his first big

986
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: head coaching job. Everybody sort of thought he was waiting

987
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: for an NFL job, you know, an NFL coordinator job, whatever,

988
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: and he ends up going to Baylor. I think his

989
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: daughter ended up attending Baylor, so he in a way

990
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: followed her. I saw that story. What given Baylor and

991
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: what they return because I know they lose a ton

992
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: on defense, which is really what led that team to

993
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve championship game in a New Year six game,

994
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: what is realistic to say? Okay, this is how Dave A.

995
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: Randa has built on the success of Matt Rules Bear squad.

996
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, biggest issue for Baylor, and another recurring theme

997
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: is I bring this up every year. I have a

998
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: hard time when teams are in the situation where they

999
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: reboot their coaching staff. Yeah, snow advisory tie, No, snow

1000
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: advisory coaching staff rebooted. They're often eleven wins season. A

1001
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: little bit of pixie dust on that eleven wins. If

1002
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: you close wins in there, they got the job done. Okay,

1003
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: don't pay no attention to the West Virginia game. Pay

1004
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: no attention.

1005
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: It was a plucky team.

1006
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: They hung in there twice with Oklahoma, there's a good

1007
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: football team. Matt Rule really instilled that culture that I

1008
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: think we've come to know and love about him. But

1009
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: the installation process for Dave Randa is just going to

1010
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: be harder because of the pandemic. Yeah, because they lose

1011
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Denzel Mims out wide. He's a huge bright spot for

1012
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: the last season. He made Charlie Brewer better. Then they

1013
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: lose nine guys on defense, so he's he's dealing with

1014
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: a lot here. I think it is a step back

1015
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: year for Baylor, even though Randa is a great hire.

1016
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: One time.

1017
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: You need to.

1018
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: Prepare me for that daily progress. He's a great hire.

1019
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to get things working, especially on defense.

1020
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: But it's it's too soon to expect too much here

1021
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: in year one.

1022
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: What does that mean though, I mean you're returning a quarterback.

1023
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: This is a team that even they lose starters, but

1024
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: rotation guys played. They won some games comfortably. There is

1025
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Matt rule DNA to this team where before you can

1026
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: win close, you gotta lose close. Then you know, win close,

1027
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: win big in some instances. So this is this is

1028
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: a program that has winning infrastruture, have winning infrastructure. I okay,

1029
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: let's start at the top. Year. We'll go offense. Defense.

1030
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Chuck Brewer. Chuck Brewer, Chuck Brewer. Yeah, before we get

1031
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: to Charlie Brewer, let's talk about the line. Okay, their

1032
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: line stank last year.

1033
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: It did it did?

1034
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: They allowed thirty eight sacks. That was the worst in

1035
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. They've got a lot of turnover up

1036
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: front this year. You had guys last year bouncing around

1037
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: playing different positions game in and game out. The results

1038
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: were not great. The good news is that it gets

1039
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: seven guys back along the line. I hope it helps

1040
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: it needs to help because Charlie Brewer really felt the

1041
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: brunt of things. He was the engine for this offense,

1042
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: There's no way around it. He led the team in

1043
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 2: rushing attempts and in touchdowns in twenty nineteen. Now he's

1044
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: got Larry Fedora taking over the offense, and the track

1045
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: record is he's going to get more carries this year.

1046
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: Larry Fedora does that to his quarterbacks, so.

1047
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what. He can't take that many more hits.

1048
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: Ty, The line needs to protect Chuck Brewer, Chas Brewer. Yeah,

1049
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: it needs to. I am concerned about the receiver situation.

1050
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: I said Denzel Mims made Charlie Brewer better.

1051
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: He really did. Did you mention Tae Kwon Thornton? Am

1052
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: I going out of my mind?

1053
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: No?

1054
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: Go ahead, He's really good.

1055
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: He's very good.

1056
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just making sure you mention his name because

1057
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: he's I think the number one receiver for Baylor. Yeah.

1058
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm on board with you. But Charlie Brewer

1059
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: is man. Some of those hits he was taking last year,

1060
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: and I know there's some depth and interesting depth behind him,

1061
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: but it felt like, should this dude still be playing football?

1062
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: You know? The concussions. I don't know that that is

1063
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: just troubling from a human level to me. But I think, yes,

1064
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: the the Baylor offense should be interesting, Baylor did defense

1065
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: should be good to very good, even with a lot

1066
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: of new dudes in there, because I imagine Matt Rule

1067
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: was really good at identifying talent and developing talent, and

1068
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Dave Randa has done nothing to make me think he

1069
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: can't continue that. So I mean, I think Baylor is

1070
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: going to win more often than they lose, and they're

1071
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: going to take a step back, but they are one

1072
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: of the probably two or three more intriguing teams in

1073
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: this conference to me.

1074
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: Defensively, nine starters gone from a year ago. Ron Roberts

1075
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: comes over from Louisiana.

1076
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Lafayette. They don't like you saying Lafayette. They just like Louisiana.

1077
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Louisiana. I'll let you know. Yeah, Louisiana. Excuse me. Yeah,

1078
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: that's okay.

1079
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: But Roberts got a little bit of David rand Adam

1080
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: because he's sort of Dave Randa's mentor.

1081
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a really good reputation.

1082
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Defensively, Yeah, defense is going to look very similar to

1083
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: Dave Randa's and if you're a Baylor fan, you should

1084
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: be excited about that. These are awesome defenses to watch.

1085
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: They use a lot of versatility. You're gonna see like

1086
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: three down linemen and eight guys who might blitz or

1087
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 2: might drop back or play a different spot on each play.

1088
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: And if you're a Baylor fan, if you're coming off

1089
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: a year with the Phil Snow defense, which really started

1090
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: to click last season, you know, turnover limits how good

1091
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: it can be. But I do think it's gonna be

1092
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: a fun watch and probably a lot better next season.

1093
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: Wait, you think the defense is going to be a

1094
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: lot better.

1095
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying I think it's a step back this year.

1096
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and next year. Okay, step back this year

1097
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: is still fun to watch. Next year is where you

1098
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: see the real gains on defense. Interesting, Okay, I'm good

1099
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: with that.

1100
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not high on Baylor.

1101
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Do they win more often? Do they win six games?

1102
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: I think they're like a six and four team. Yeah,

1103
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: I think he got it, six and four, five and five.

1104
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: I think it's that kind of season for Baylor.

1105
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: Let's go to a team that we're used to discussing.

1106
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: Although I guess there's two of them left on your

1107
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: side that we're used to discussing earlier on and that's

1108
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Oh no, We've been used to discussing West

1109
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: Virginia as not necessarily a perennial winning contender, but a

1110
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: threat that any given week they could hang fifty And

1111
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: I know last year and they were I think a

1112
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: good example last year of first eight nine weeks like ooh,

1113
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: some there are some low moments that the stinker potential

1114
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: is a high stinker ceiling tie, very high stinker ceiling. Yeah,

1115
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: but I thought Neil Brown did a good enough job

1116
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: keeping players focused that they were fighting late in the season.

1117
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: They did see some results from that fight. And even

1118
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: though it's been a pretty turbulent offseason for West Virginia,

1119
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: there have to be pieces there. There have to be

1120
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: pieces in Morgantown that after twenty nineteen, which was a

1121
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: bit of a mess after Holgo left, that the fact

1122
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: is year two is going to be more promising. There's

1123
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: more to be optimistic about in year two. What is

1124
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: that first thing to increase the number of optimistic items?

1125
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: Where do they say, Okay, this is where we need

1126
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, to really get things humming it's a

1127
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: good question. It's a good question, and it was a

1128
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: tough spot for Neil Brown. Year one. That offense was

1129
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: a rough watch at times.

1130
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: It was they scored forty points per game in twenty

1131
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: eighteen and something like twenty point six in twenty nineteen

1132
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: and year one under Neil Brown. And look, that's what

1133
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: happens when you tweet the scheme, when you stink at quarterback,

1134
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: when you have receivers dropping balls, a line that can't block.

1135
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: I think I saw what one hundredth something like one

1136
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 2: hundredth in the sp plus. The offense was not good,

1137
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: and that's not a formula for success in the Big twelve.

1138
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: And that's an improvement from where it was two thirds

1139
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: of you know, late October whatever, exactly exactly.

1140
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: So I almost view year two as year one and

1141
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: a half. I think job one is building on the

1142
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: experience that you built up in year one, find a

1143
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: way to get more fundamentally sound. Because it's still a

1144
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: young team, Dan, They're still learning a new system. Sure,

1145
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: I think it helps that Jared Deegy built some momentum

1146
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: at the end of the season last year. This was

1147
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: a young wide receiver corps. A lot of those guys

1148
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: are back, including Sam James, who had a crazy one

1149
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: hundred and eleven targets as a freshman, which is saying sile,

1150
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: yeah he's back.

1151
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: That'll help.

1152
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Job two is figuring out how to get more out

1153
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: of the running game, because on a per play basis,

1154
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: this is like the worst ground game in America. It

1155
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: wasn't the worst, at least not in every metric, but

1156
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: they were really bad on a per play basis. From

1157
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: an efficiency standpoint, they stunk as a rushing unit. They

1158
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: got to get more there because this is not a

1159
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: situation where your quarterback is going to be good enough

1160
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: to power the whole offense. He's going to need some

1161
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: help in the in the in the ground game. Right,

1162
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: So Jared Deggy had moments, He had moments. I like

1163
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 2: Jared Dagy, but he just he needs more help, needs

1164
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: more help.

1165
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: Glad they found him.

1166
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: Austin Kendall still there, by the way, can still reclaim

1167
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: the job, but I digg he's got to be the guy.

1168
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: I think that helps.

1169
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: Defensively, we talked about the Vic Canning thing, no longer

1170
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, dismissed after some insensitive actions, particularly around racial injustice.

1171
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: How that affects the defense remains to be seen. I

1172
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: think this is again going to be the better side

1173
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: of the football for the Mountaineers. I like Darius and

1174
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: Dante Stills, the brothers Stills in the middle. Yeah, it's

1175
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: still the strength of this defense. Linebacking core looks okay

1176
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: to me. Josh Chandler had a really good year as

1177
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: a sophomore, second in the team, and tackles secondary kind

1178
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: of a mess. I don't know if we see a

1179
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: ton of improvement from West Virginia. I think they build

1180
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: on their experience from a year ago. I think another

1181
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: year under Neil Brown is going to help. I'm looking

1182
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: for gains next year. I think next year is a

1183
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: year where we start to see a little bit more

1184
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: movement forward. Dumb you're saying twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, Yeah,

1185
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: just not enough here for me, Not enough meat on

1186
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: this bone. Yet to get too excited about seeing a

1187
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: big jump in year two.

1188
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: Home road splits look pretty good, though, right they get

1189
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Baylor and yeah, it's not bad.

1190
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: It's not bad.

1191
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's that's something. I mean. You promise a

1192
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: quarterback defense being ahead of the offense I generally like

1193
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: because that shows efforts. It's hard to you know, if

1194
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: your defense is a nightmareage generally means there's almost no

1195
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: buy and no efforts. So I like that element of

1196
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: things for West Virginia. And you know it's going to

1197
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: be a strange year, whatever it looks like. And perhaps

1198
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: because this is what it was, Kansas State beats Oklahoma

1199
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: that immediately goes and loses to West Virginia. So maybe

1200
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: it's an opportunistic fall for the Ears. They seem to

1201
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: be at the center of weirdness a lot. That's that's

1202
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: my hope.

1203
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: And look, there were some games here for West Virginia.

1204
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: You want to talk about buy in an effort, it was.

1205
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 2: It was there for this team.

1206
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: Last year.

1207
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: It really was Baylor very close loss. We alluded to

1208
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: it in the beginning. Baylor was an eleven win team.

1209
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: UH beat k State, Case State was a bowl team. Yes,

1210
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: they were within one score of Oklahoma State. They beat

1211
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: TCU to close out the year, So it was it

1212
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: was not close as well. It was not for lack

1213
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 2: of trying. It's just he's trying to build something new.

1214
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: I think we both have a lot of faith in

1215
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 2: Neil Brown did great things at Troy. I think he's

1216
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: going to do good things at West Virginia, but it's

1217
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: going to take some time to get there, and I

1218
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: hope they give him along enoughleesh.

1219
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: I think they will. Yeah, they have. It's a dude

1220
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: drought right now at West Virginia. Speaking of dude droughts,

1221
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I don't. I don't know where you're going

1222
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: with this segue, but I hope it's some very uncomfortable

1223
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: sponsorship or just you're changing the subject away from college

1224
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: football entirely.

1225
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: All right, hit me Kansas. We can't even talk Kansas

1226
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: State before Kansas Kansas because Kansas State also kind of

1227
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: has a dude drop. But okay, we can talk Kansas.

1228
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: Where is where is the opportunity for realistic growth from

1229
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: a Kansas standpoint.

1230
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: They've got to win shootouts. If they're able to win shootouts,

1231
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: which is something we say about a lot of teams

1232
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: when we preview them come July August, and it's not

1233
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: a really it's a backhanded compliment because it says, well,

1234
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, if things get really weird and it's

1235
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: fifty eight to fifty four, maybe you're the fifty eight

1236
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: it's not a great thing. But the fact is, I

1237
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: like their offensive coordinator. They made the switch to Brent

1238
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: Deerman early on or I guess midway through this way through. Yeah,

1239
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: and it worked. It worked until it didn't at times.

1240
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, they I mean now they're replacing Carter Stanley

1241
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's Miles Kendrick and Thomas m

1242
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: mcvittie battling it out for the starting job. The skill

1243
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: talent's good. The skill talent is good. I really like

1244
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Parschmidt the receiver. I think behind Tylan Wallace, he's

1245
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: the leading receiver, so he's the second receiving, second leading

1246
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: returning receiver. My english is all askew that so there

1247
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: is on offense, there's some prominent off offensive line that's

1248
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna be great. But if they're able to with Brent

1249
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: Deherman's RPO like they were able to do, especially against Texas,

1250
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: and that was that was eye opening. He was fifty

1251
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: to forty eight in a loss, in a losing effort.

1252
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: But all the same, if Kansas can channel that, they

1253
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: it's a real coaching staff. They are, you know, less

1254
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: Miles is trying, He's trying. There it's gonna take a

1255
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: while still, just because things are so backward in Lawrence.

1256
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. If one of these quarterbacks works out,

1257
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: it's something. Can they win, Can they go three and seven?

1258
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just I don't know. They're gonna have

1259
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: to win those shootouts. They're gonna have to hope for

1260
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: an injured quarterback or two, making the schedule more interesting

1261
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: than it looks right now. But I think that's what

1262
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: it is. I think if it's going to be an

1263
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: interesting RPO based offense for Kansas, and that's at least

1264
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: something that is at least something that we can say, Okay,

1265
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: Kansas has gone from embarrassing to more often than not, entertaining.

1266
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: That's the step forward I can see happening.

1267
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: One interesting name that you did not mention is Jalen Daniels, Okay.

1268
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels is their freshman quarterback recruit. Okay, as of

1269
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, he was still kind of quasi

1270
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: a contender for that starting quarterback position this fall, and

1271
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: Brent Dierman, who has a bit of a history with

1272
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: Gus Malson, compared him to Nick Marshall. I saw athlon

1273
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: compared to he said he's the hand picked quarterback of

1274
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: the future. I don't know what that means for Kansas,

1275
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: but I am interested to see if they decide to

1276
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: play the true freshmen at any point in time, take

1277
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: their lumps now to build for more of a promising future.

1278
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 2: That that's kind.

1279
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: Of the question here.

1280
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: It appears like Les Miles is playing long con.

1281
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: Ty, I have I have breaking news for you that

1282
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna take their lumps either way.

1283
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna take their lumps either way, but but

1284
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: you know less Miles is open to giving the younger

1285
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: guys time. You got Pooka Williams, which is a bright spot.

1286
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm most interested in seeing are they going

1287
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: to play a true freshman at quarterback. He may be

1288
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: the best fit for that scheme than anyone else on

1289
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: the roster.

1290
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: Just entertain me, That's all I want, all right. I'll

1291
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: let you fill in your your love Tye sell me

1292
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: on tcuh. Okay, but let's don't. Let's let's not bring

1293
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: emotion into it, ty Let's see rational though, Let's be pragmatic.

1294
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're so in love with TCU

1295
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: every I honestly don't get it. I don't know why

1296
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: you keep falling for the Frogs. I mean, Fort Worth

1297
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: is great. In Fort Worths, I like the color propowle

1298
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: is fine. I like that there's the murder frog and

1299
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: you have like the frog had the rose in the

1300
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: mouth for the Rose Bowl. That's all good. What has

1301
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: gone wrong? It just seemed like they were they were

1302
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: there and now they're not. What is what has gone wrong?

1303
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they hit five hundred last year. Not

1304
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: a bowl team. I feel like Garry Patterson has recruited

1305
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: pretty well to Fort Worth. He's developed guys. We see

1306
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: them drafted first, second, third round from that team, especially

1307
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 1: that defense every year, but sometimes offense. What is what happened?

1308
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: It's it's such a good question. I'm never inclined to

1309
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: say it's a talent thing with Gary Patterson because.

1310
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: Why doesn't anybody in the Big twelve have a friggin

1311
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: quarterback other than Oklahoma. I don't know what happened?

1312
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, like the talent thing

1313
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: with Gary Patterson, his calling card has always been developing talent.

1314
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: He turns through the stars into five stars. That's his

1315
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: that's his thing. So I I think the talent is there.

1316
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 2: I think it's it was a combination of scheme and experience.

1317
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: Last year, TCU was sort of the anti Baylor in

1318
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: a sense because Baylor won a bunch of one score games.

1319
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: TCU lost six of them, including one against Baylor. They

1320
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: were good enough to be in the close games against

1321
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: better teams, they just couldn't close. And you could point

1322
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: to a bunch of reasons for that. For one, it

1323
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: took them about a month to figure out that Max

1324
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: Duggan should be their quarterback, and he played the back

1325
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: half of the season as the primary quarterback against the

1326
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: better teams in the Big twelve. And it was rocky

1327
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: right because he was a freshman. But he just gave

1328
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 2: him more and that was good. That's a building block.

1329
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: The combination, though, of the musical quarterbacks and whatever scheme

1330
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: they tried that affected Jalen riger He was their best

1331
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: offensive weapon. They couldn't get him the ball eighty eight targets,

1332
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 2: a catch rate under fifty percent. Some of that's on him,

1333
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: mind you, but he just you wanted to see more

1334
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 2: out of Jalen Reger. So sure, while the offense was

1335
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: inconsistent and the defense was pretty good, again, they just

1336
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: gave up a ton of big plays. That's like some

1337
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: combination of all those things really did him in. And

1338
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: especially in a conference like the Big Twelve, you got

1339
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: big plays like you just if they were going to

1340
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: rely mostly on their defense, they couldn't give up those

1341
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: big plays. They couldn't be felled by the big play,

1342
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,879
Speaker 2: and all too often they were. So Now, moving forward,

1343
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: Patterson's philosophy is to go back to the well. I'm

1344
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: always mixed on this. I don't know how I feel.

1345
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: They're bringing Doug Meechim back, they're pairing him back up

1346
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: with Sonny Cumby. They're also adding Jerry Kill to the

1347
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: mixes like this awkward third wheel.

1348
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't mind it. Good coach.

1349
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: The one point zero version of the Meechum Comby combo

1350
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: had really good results. We'll see how it goes as

1351
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 2: time around. It hurts to lose your top two running

1352
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: backs from a year ago. But I feel like there's

1353
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback back then. By the way, they're

1354
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm

1355
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: just I'm a little leery on this. Yeah, it hurts

1356
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: when you lose your top two running backs from a

1357
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: year ago. There's probably enough talent to make it work.

1358
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 2: The running back room is crowded with Darwin, Barlow and

1359
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: Foster and de Mercado and Richardson and Miller like they

1360
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: got guys and it's the same deal out why they

1361
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 2: got a bunch of rising juniors with speed. Tay Barber

1362
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 2: is a guy to watch. They're going to stretch the

1363
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: field more like they just weren't explosive last year.

1364
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: The caveat is.

1365
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: That the line has to hold for Max Duggan. They

1366
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: lose four guys up front. That's the biggest question on

1367
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: this offense. You can ask whatever you want about the

1368
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: scheme and how the three ring circus is going to

1369
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: work with offensive coaches, but the biggest question for me

1370
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: is what are they going to do about that line?

1371
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: It all starts up front for TCU this year. Are

1372
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: you worried that they're becoming sort of lone star who

1373
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: that they're becoming like the Virginia era of you know,

1374
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: they win six or seven games and now this is

1375
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: a ten game season. They win five six, seven games

1376
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: and they have three you know, top two round picks

1377
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: like they had. It was what Jalen Reger and Jeff

1378
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: Gladney last year. They have two first round picks last year,

1379
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: where Virginia randomly it's to brickishaff Ferguson or Chris Long

1380
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. They don't translate having, you know, developing individual

1381
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: pockets of their team into really top level players into wins.

1382
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: Is that a concern? It feels like year over year

1383
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: they're just keep first round pick TCU, second round pick

1384
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: TC and they're not turning those pockets of talent into anything.

1385
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched Top Chef, but

1386
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: all the time they're like, yeah, steak was okay, Like

1387
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: these girled peaches are transcendent, where it's like, why couldn't

1388
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: you turn the whole plate into this magic? So that

1389
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: that to me feel like year over year just doesn't

1390
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: feel like it was. That team in the Big twelve

1391
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: doesn't feel.

1392
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 2: Like they've had that quarterback. And you know, when they

1393
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: had the quarterback they were really good.

1394
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: Well Kenny Trill it was only okay, but yeah he's okay.

1395
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 2: But when they've had the quarterback, they've been fine. It's

1396
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: just getting that quarterback has been an issue.

1397
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: You can say about everybody, but everybody, Yeah.

1398
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: No, that's fair but in TCUs case, I just feel

1399
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: like we've constantly been waiting for that quarterback, and the

1400
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 2: defense has been continually pretty good. Four two five defense,

1401
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: A lot of defensive backs out there flying around. He's

1402
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: got two good ones, and Trevin morrig Are, Darius Washington,

1403
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: Garrett Wallow one of the better linebackers in college football.

1404
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: Just a lot of ammo, a lot of versatility in

1405
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: that back seven.

1406
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: It's going to make them really good again.

1407
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: They lose Ross Blacklock to the NFL, They're going to

1408
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 2: need more pass rush this year out of guys like

1409
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: O'shawn Mathis. And they're not the deepest along the line,

1410
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: but they should be. They should be fine. You mentioned,

1411
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, some other losses in the defensive backfield, but

1412
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine across the board. I just,

1413
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's a mental exercise to not get too

1414
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: excited about TCU this year and every year. I love

1415
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: the defense, I like Max dug In. I have questions

1416
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: about pretty much everything else. The only thing that I

1417
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 2: am certain of with this team, okay, is that they're

1418
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: gonna be better than last year. They're gonna be better

1419
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: than last year.

1420
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: They have to. I don't know what it is? I man,

1421
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: They're just such a sometimes team. They're just like, how

1422
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: is tenu? Sometimes their defense is good, I know, sometimes

1423
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: Darius Anderson goes off and has an amazing game and

1424
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: they're pretty good. They're just a sometimes team, Like they

1425
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: all start and end dating somebody on Friday nights and

1426
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: it totally affects them week to week.

1427
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: They're like seven and three this year their seven and

1428
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: three team, seven and three, six and four.

1429
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: What is so appreciably different from a team that didn't

1430
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: make a Bowl last year?

1431
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: A lot of close losses a year ago. I think

1432
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: that has to turn around. Okay, the defense is still

1433
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: going to be very good, and it's another year under

1434
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: Max Duggin. Okay, did Max Duggin really get you going?

1435
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: There were flashes with Max dugg Okay there.

1436
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: I just when when players are described as gutty or

1437
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: gamers without actually taking it to somebody for four quarters,

1438
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: the sort of positioning of how we describe players is

1439
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 1: worrysome When it's not oh yeah, that dude went off.

1440
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: That dude just absolutely obliterated that team. If they don't

1441
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: have a game like that and it's just Max Duggan,

1442
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: just seems like a guy. I hope he's more than

1443
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: that this season, but that's what he appeared to be.

1444
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: As you know, if as a freshman you're not, you're

1445
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: generally by the end of your freshman year when there's

1446
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: some talent around you, which TCU had talent around him.

1447
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: If if it's just flash air flash there, I just

1448
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 1: I want I want a flash light, Tye flashlight show

1449
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: me the way. Yeah, all right, let's talk about k State. Okay,

1450
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: I would love to I have k State thoughts.

1451
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: K State beat Oklahoma and then they scored more than

1452
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: thirty points only against Kansas Yes, including twenty in a

1453
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 2: losing effort to West Virginia at home. What are the

1454
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: tea leaves for this twenty twenty offense? A lot of

1455
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: new faces. Will they have more pop? How do you

1456
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: feel about year two under Chris Climbing.

1457
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: A little worried? A little worried. I'm not worried about

1458
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: the defense. Even though they replaced Scottie Hazelton, the coordinator

1459
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: who left follow Meltalker to Michigan State. They promoted from within.

1460
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: There's a lot of continuity at Kansas State, and I

1461
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: was really encouraged by year one the results that they

1462
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: were able to It was like they were hitting corners

1463
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: tie baseball analogy. They weren't throwing ninety nine. They didn't

1464
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: have a crazy hooking curve or a diving slider. A

1465
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: lot of Greg Maddocks out there, Yeah, a lot of

1466
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: Greg maddocks. The Oklahoma game was obviously terrific. They took

1467
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: advantage of Oklahoma mistakes like good teams do. They were

1468
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: able to make plays in big moments. Skylar to timeson

1469
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, picking up you know, first downs with his

1470
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: legs whatever. It was encouraging. They lose a lot on

1471
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: offense everywhere, and in the specific context of twenty twenty

1472
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: and not having that much time to get in reps

1473
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: with new receivers. You know, Josh young Blood had the

1474
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: kick return against Texas. He is he is a top

1475
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: end speed dude. Is he is encouraging. I did see

1476
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: a story that he actually lived with Chris Climban during

1477
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: the spring after surgery and had a fantastic time. I'm

1478
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: really hopeful that dudes emerge. But I use that phrase

1479
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: problem problem a few weeks ago on a show, and

1480
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: to be clear, that is a team that has a

1481
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: problem because they don't have enough problems on their roster

1482
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: for other teams. I screwed that up, didn't I It's okay,

1483
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: it's okay. We're past it. We're past it. Josh young

1484
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: Blood could be smaller dude, but that's okay. He has

1485
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: that high end speed. He could be a problem. I

1486
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: just don't see guys on this offense where a defensive coordinator,

1487
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Knowles at Oklahoma State or John Haycock

1488
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: at Iowa State, are like, oh man, what do we

1489
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: do with this guy? What do we do with this guy?

1490
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: And Skyler Thompson's fine, but dangerous is not necessarily an

1491
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: adjective I would associate with him. So it's a new line.

1492
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: It's just a new offense in general, and I'm worried now. Defensively,

1493
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: the back end of their defense is largely intact. They've

1494
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: got a really good rush end in White Hubert, one

1495
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: of the best in the country. The defensively upfront, though

1496
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: they do make some changes on the line, just in

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Speaker 1: terms of new starters. They were a little loosey goosey

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Speaker 1: against the run. That concerns me somewhat about Kansas State,

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01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: But in terms of continuity in a weird year, there

1500
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: is a lot to like about Kansas State still, that

1501
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: they were so good on defense on third down that

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01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: they were just able to get off the field. They

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: won a lot of interesting moments, as we saw, especially

1504
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: in that Oklahoma game. But if they had that problem

1505
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: putting points on the board, keeping drives going, finding mismatches

1506
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: on offense those last four or five six games, I

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: don't know if I necessarily see that improving in an

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: obvious way in twenty twenty. So I think it's probably

1509
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 1: more of the same or a step back, but still

1510
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: in every game because they're so well coached and so disciplined.

1511
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, six and four season feels about right, and

1512
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: they're not going to get blown out of the water

1513
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: by anybody.

1514
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: It almost feels like year two could be the transition year.

1515
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 2: You know, you expect it in year one. Year two

1516
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,799
Speaker 2: could be that year for Chris Climban. Really inexperienced on offense.

1517
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: This is a team that definitely would have benefited from

1518
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: a spring from a more traditional preseason where you weren't

1519
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: afraid to go near people. Yeah, they really have gotten

1520
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,879
Speaker 2: some benefit from that. The line has to replace almost everybody,

1521
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, one factoid that mainly interests. Tom Hammond, I'm

1522
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: ready even more interesting than my Josh young Blood lived

1523
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: with the Climban family this spring. We'll stick with Josh Reevis.

1524
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: He was an all big twelver along the line despite

1525
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: not starting a single game.

1526
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: They moved him around to enjoy that.

1527
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: And he's going to be obviously starting this year, but

1528
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: they got to find the other four guys around him

1529
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: up front. Just a lot of turnover here. I see

1530
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 2: the step back year as well. I think Chris Clime

1531
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: is a really good coach really.

1532
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: At Iowa State, at Oklahoma and at Baylor, just in

1533
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: terms of how the road home splits work out.

1534
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just as like an experiment goes, I think

1535
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: he was able to prove out that his North Dakota

1536
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: States system can translate to the FBS level.

1537
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he brought he brought coaches with him.

1538
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel optimistic about this program longer term.

1539
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,560
Speaker 2: I think he's a good guy for this program.

1540
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: But if they develop a quarterback, if they develop a quarterback,

1541
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: they're going to be in such And this is again,

1542
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: like I said before, anybody can say this, but I

1543
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: think the infrastructure in Manhattan is particularly interesting. So I

1544
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: think there are really intriguing things to come for the Cats. Yeah,

1545
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: and they're upgrading facilities, They're trying to build something around him. Yeah.

1546
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: I like it. I do like it. Great same page, TI,

1547
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about Texas Tech? I would

1548
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: love to. So the Alan Bowman thing, there's no more

1549
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 1: Jet Duffy. We know this that he just Alan Bowman

1550
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: has just been just flat out unlucky injury wise. Are

1551
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,919
Speaker 1: their pieces? Are their stretches? Are their units? Are their groups?

1552
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 1: Is there something about twenty nineteen that tells you twenty twenty?

1553
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they have these a ton of weird games

1554
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. So is it like a bounce back

1555
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: thing where it's just going to the universe is going

1556
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: to even out for the Red Raiders and finally Alan

1557
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: Bohm's gonna be healthy? What is give me some optimism

1558
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: for people in Lubbock? Four and eight a year ago? God,

1559
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: that Kansas loss.

1560
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: I understand the pessimism. They bring Matt Wells over from

1561
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: Utah State. They did lose four games by a field

1562
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: goal or less, and that includes loss at Baylor and

1563
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 2: at home against k State again a bowl team. They

1564
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 2: were not as bad as their four and eight record,

1565
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: which I take as a positive. And when British comedy

1566
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: legend Alan Bowman is not injured, especially pairing him up

1567
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: with TJ. Vasher out wide, I feel really optimistic about

1568
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: the passing game.

1569
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: They're full on good, they're full on all the Bowman

1570
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: is a full on good quarterback and.

1571
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: I like the transition to more of a balanced offense.

1572
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: I think it's a welcome change because tech has almost

1573
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: become a caricature of itself over these last I don't know,

1574
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 2: however many years that we've seen air raid after air

1575
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 2: raid after air raid. I'm not saying this is not

1576
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: air raid, but it's a little bit more on the

1577
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: balance side of the equation, all right. Plus, look David Yost,

1578
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator.

1579
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: He has top right haber hair.

1580
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: He's like a mix between Boris Johnson and Harry Dunn

1581
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 2: and maybe somebody else. But it's hard not to be

1582
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 2: optimistic about that.

1583
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: So I am.

1584
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: I am optimistic because it's year two of that system.

1585
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman is presumably healthy and their ability has not

1586
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: been his things so far, but he's got a ton

1587
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: of talent. I think he can have a lot of

1588
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 2: success in this system. Definitely more balanced than the one

1589
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 2: they ran a year ago.

1590
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: TJ.

1591
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: Vasher is one of those, one of those dudes. He's

1592
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: a target. He six six, He's a mountain of a man.

1593
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: I think he can be a walking highlight reel. So

1594
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic about that. Okay, defensively, I they led the

1595
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: nation in takeaways per game. They play a hyper aggressive

1596
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: system under Keith Patterson and that people.

1597
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Have mixed thoughts about him. But yeah, I know, but

1598
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: that's fun.

1599
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 2: Just that mentality is fun, that attacking, aggressive mentality that

1600
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: we often like to make fun of.

1601
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: That's fun. Yeah, and it worked at Utah State really

1602
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: really well in that final season. Huge results there.

1603
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot of returning production on defense as well.

1604
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Eli Howard up front, he was All Conference last year.

1605
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: Not great that they lose Jordan Brooks to the NFL.

1606
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: They're linebacker, but the cupboard at linebacker is not bear.

1607
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: They're going to be okay there.

1608
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 2: So you know, combined with what is it, three defensive backs, Yeah,

1609
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: three defensive backs who are returning on defense, I feel

1610
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 2: optimistic that the defense can take another step forward. But

1611
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,799
Speaker 2: reason for optimism if only because it's year two under

1612
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 2: Matt Wells, and I.

1613
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: Think he's a good coach for pessimism.

1614
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Everything else is a reason for pessimism, But everything else

1615
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: is a reason for pessimism.

1616
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was rough, I mean, yeah, the inability to

1617
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: close out games. And it's Jet Duffy, so they didn't

1618
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: want to start him over Alan Bowman obviously, So whatever

1619
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: Texas Tech looked like wasn't fully And Jet Duffy had

1620
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: incredible moment at the same time. So you hope with health,

1621
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: you hope, with universe balancing out, that they could go

1622
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: five and five something like that, where they're just an

1623
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: entertaining team in games as much as they are on top,

1624
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: as as much as I are, I guess just coming

1625
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: up short something like that.

1626
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, Okay, I want to I want

1627
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: to be more optimistic about Tech.

1628
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: I really do, so be more optimistic.

1629
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: And I still think that this is probably an above

1630
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: average team. Like I think if we were in a

1631
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: normal year where bull eligibility was you know, six wins,

1632
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: I think they would get to Bowl eligibility. So I

1633
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 2: think in that sense, they take a step forward, but

1634
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 2: it's it's still a long way to go here.

1635
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: To be honest, needs to go on. Their defense was

1636
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: a full on nightmare a few years ago, and now

1637
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: they're simply average ish, maybe below average, and so and.

1638
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: They take they take the ball away.

1639
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: That's fun. They take the ball away, which is if

1640
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: you can't tackle in the open field consistently, if you

1641
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: can't figure out coverages consistently, that's a good consolation tie.

1642
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: No argument from me. The town level needs to be

1643
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. And I if they're healthy on offense.

1644
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: And by the way, nobody ever mentions TJ. Basher without

1645
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: mentioning his height, so fall into that group of people. Yeah,

1646
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: I've heard six seven sometimes during broadcasts. But yeah, I

1647
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: think Texas TeX's in a pretty good place just because

1648
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: Alan Bowman, healthy and at his best, is one of

1649
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: the three best quarterbacks in this conference. Four Yeah, yeah,

1650
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: and that's that's a good starting point. I like it's

1651
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: going to be a white We saw the success Jordan

1652
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: Love had at Utah State in this system. David Yost.

1653
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the reason we called James Franklin casual address

1654
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: James Franklin is because of that David Yost offense or

1655
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: partial David Yost offense. So I am. I'm optimistic. There's entertainment.

1656
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be optimistic and turnovers are random. They're not

1657
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna leave the country and takeaways again. But you know,

1658
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 1: I like that aggression and I think they're going to

1659
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: be in most of their games, which will have me watching.

1660
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: And if Alan Bowman should get hurt again, which we're

1661
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: not rooting for. No, his backup is a red shirt

1662
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: freshman by the name of Maverick mckiver.

1663
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: I did see that year over here. The Texas at

1664
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: quarterback names are just incredible, truly incredible. Yeah, so we'll see.

1665
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, give me your top five to close it out

1666
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:38,799
Speaker 2: here in the Big twelve.

1667
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: Rank your top five tist Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa State. I

1668
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said before. I think Baylor, Oklahoma State. Wow,

1669
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: you're high on Baylor. Yeah, I mean I'm I think

1670
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: there's just gonna be a lot of six and four,

1671
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: five and five, four and six in there, with a

1672
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: lot of tiebreaker types stuff. Ugh, I could I could

1673
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: also throw Kansas State in there. Yeah, I think I

1674
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a lot of middle class.

1675
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and

1676
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 2: oh god, TCU.

1677
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Wow, would it be full on strange if Oklahoma did

1678
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: not win the conference. No, oh, okay, I think it

1679
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: will be.

1680
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 2: It would feel awkward. I still think they've got the

1681
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 2: highest level of talent of any team in the conference.

1682
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 2: But you know, the the quarterback thing is an open question. Yeah,

1683
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: I think it's I think I think it's possible. I

1684
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: think teams like like Texas have enough talent that they

1685
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 2: could contend. I don't think they are nearly as reliable

1686
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: at this point, but it helps to have the best

1687
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:54,839
Speaker 2: quarterback in the conference.

1688
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 1: Sure. Wait, you think Sam Allener is the best quarterback

1689
01:28:58,800 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: in the conference.

1690
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1691
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay? Oh, I hope the Sam stinker does not

1692
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: hold Texas back from your your potential hope here? Okay? Great?

1693
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: Cool?

1694
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,280
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01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: hope you're following, TI, I am, I really really do,

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Speaker 1: all right, So let's see what Pick three of them?

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01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 2: Pick three of these? Okay, well, I am always partial

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01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: to nachos. You have many o's here in the nachos.

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: Do they travel? Do they travel?

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01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 2: They don't travel, but they don't travel.

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01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: No, we're not going to be watching games in bars

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01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: this fall.

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01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: I would say Casey d is one in that sense,

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 2: is a good picks is one, probably Tots two and

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01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: Devil Eggs that does not travel. I just love Devil Leggs.

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01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 2: That's why I do like Deviled Eggs. They don't travel. Yeah,

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01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 2: they don't travel. Correct, Like the Miami fan based.

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01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Whoa, we'll go.

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01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm still going to go nachos three. Still going to

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01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: go nachos three? Yeah, case is Tots nachos three.

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01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: I would probably put mazzarella sticks because of structural integrity

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01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: and crunch. Yeah, I'm putting monzarella sticks in there, but

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01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go Frickles tots and season frove. No,

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01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I already have the tot for potato. I'm gonna go

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01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: wings frickles tots.

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01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: All right, Well, covered a lot of ground on this show.

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01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did a longer episode than usual. We

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 2: hope you all enjoyed it. We hope you all have

1731
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: a great weekend. Next week, we will be making some

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01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: announcements about our Fantasy Things show, which typically we do live.

1733
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: Typically you can buy a ticket, you can see it live.

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01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,759
Speaker 2: We're going to do our best to try and capture

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01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: the flare of that, but obviously circumstances are a bit

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Speaker 2: different for the moment, so we would urge everybody to

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01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,559
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01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 2: All that stuff helps. We look forward to still doing

1742
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: our Fantasy Things in twenty twenty, albeit in a very

1743
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: very weird and off season.

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01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 1: Dan, especially if you live on the island of Capri.

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01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 2: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1746
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: For myself, Tie Hildebrand, thanks for hanging with us as

1747
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: we talk.

1748
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: All things Big twelve. We'll be back next week.

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01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 2: In the meantime, enjoy your weekend, stay safe, and be

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01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: side peace.