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Speaker 1: are some great pods that we have done. And Scott

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Speaker 1: Brooks is a two part one is amazing. Jay billis

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Speaker 1: I've been kind of a little way Max Stooper's story

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Speaker 1: going back to last week. Um, there's just there's there's

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Speaker 1: so many Tremaine Davis. You haven't heard the Tremaine Davis one. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Davis was the honorary Captain Super Bowl this year.

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Speaker 1: And um, here's a kid who was in special at

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Speaker 1: until his senior year in high school because he was

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Speaker 1: awarded the state at three. His parents were addicts. His

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Speaker 1: grandma adopted him. Um, turns out he wasn't special needs

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Speaker 1: at all. He did have a learning disability and graduated

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Speaker 1: San Diego State, helped turn that program around, and now

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Speaker 1: is an educator and somebody who helps get resources to

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Speaker 1: up in the Bay Area, So that's Tremaine Davis again.

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Speaker 1: I'm I am pimping my own work, but I have

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Speaker 1: a philosophy on this and it comes from my time

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Speaker 1: when I was at ESPN, which people were always critical

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Speaker 1: of ESPN for for promoting the other ESPN and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thought. If you're not promoting yourself, how

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Speaker 1: can you expect anyone else to write the same idea

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Speaker 1: of confidence? You don't believe in yourself, how can you

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Speaker 1: expect anyone else to believe in yourself? I just I

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Speaker 1: do want to give you one quick thought on college basketball,

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Speaker 1: and look, I have a personal goal to have on

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Speaker 1: every coach who coach is going to coach in the

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of coaches who I'm on their ship list,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. Plus like it's a lot um,

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Speaker 1: but we're reaching out to all of them. If they qualify,

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Speaker 1: we're getting them on. In some teams that don't qualify,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna get them on as well. So

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Speaker 1: I think all of these things are are great. But

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Speaker 1: more than anything, this pod is designed occasionally to talk

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Speaker 1: about current events and current stuff, but also to basketball,

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Speaker 1: like all these sports, like it's this big dysfunctional family,

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Speaker 1: and when you see people or hear people, I want

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Speaker 1: you to know what they're about. And I share my

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Speaker 1: own stories within it. And because a lot of these people,

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Speaker 1: some of them friends with, some of my friendly with,

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Speaker 1: but we all kind of know. It's the sixth degrees,

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Speaker 1: So uh, and I'll and I'll get to kind of

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Speaker 1: some thoughts on the moment in the second Andrew Bogatt

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Speaker 1: was the number one pick in the NBA Draft in

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Speaker 1: two thousand five and two thousand five, I just start

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Speaker 1: started working for ESPN. I covered the draft on radio

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Speaker 1: uh since O two and actually assume me oh three. Um.

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Speaker 1: So my third year was in New York City and

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Speaker 1: and a lot of guys in this way when they

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Speaker 1: get drafted, there's still just kids in their wide eyed

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Speaker 1: the nicest human being on earth. And then all of

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Speaker 1: Boges was different, man. He was just he was always

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Speaker 1: people that have played in Australia, and those guys that

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Speaker 1: I gotta get Justin bean On here. I love this kid.

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Speaker 1: Have you have you have you seen you to State play?

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Speaker 1: So Justin bean Is he's originally from Oklahoma. His dad, uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy, but I've I'm like a total buyer into

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Speaker 1: this Utah State team as not just a team that

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Speaker 1: arguably their greatest player ever, which is crazy. The big

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Speaker 1: it's it's more, you know, they have a freshman point

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Speaker 1: because this year doesn't count. And I mean I've when

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Speaker 1: buyron Utah State. I like these Mountain West teams. I've

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Speaker 1: what's goes always feels like it's a little bit underrated, undervalue, right,

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Speaker 1: But we don't realize that I'm gonna see USC tomorrow

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Speaker 1: That's always been the case. And so if you have

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Speaker 1: think it makes you a better team, especially you're playing

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the Missouri Valley, I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: pointing out that that players transferring up like as good

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Speaker 1: He's lost his top two players to injury for the year, right,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna get the benefit of all the wins

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Speaker 1: be Organs. Like Organs, the type of team that is

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Speaker 1: had these weird losses, right, they didn't have their top

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Speaker 1: have older players, and the reason that the Illinois, for example,

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Speaker 1: well they have Ao Desumo, who is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: pro right, UM, I don't know about Kofie Coburn like

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Speaker 1: but he is a monster, a monster whereas you know,

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Speaker 1: I just that's my just one minute kind of tangentle

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Speaker 1: by way of sweeping boys. Boys should get in UM now,

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Speaker 1: but they swept Utah State but Utah State. They didn't

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Speaker 1: play him at Utah State and they didn't have Roley Wooster.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like I, I kind of think Colorado

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Speaker 1: enjoyment I got out of it was like, oh that's

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00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I really enjoy it. I

426
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: didn't really think about being a professional at that, you know,

427
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: no one really at nine or ten years I was

428
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I just love playing the game, watched

429
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: it on TV whatever I could, was just immersed in it. Fully,

430
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: was kind of all in and just kind of grew

431
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: from there, and as I went through the ranks of

432
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: high school and whatnot, starting to get better and enjoy

433
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: it more and never really thought about anything else. To

434
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: be honest with you, now, Um, you were maybe part

435
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: of that first generation and forgive me if I'm wrong, okay,

436
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: but I remember you. It's one of the first generation

437
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 1: of the ai S guys, the Australian Student Support right

438
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: and Delhi obviously was a little bit later on. I

439
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: remember when I first heard about Delhi's name, Like, man,

440
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: we played against this ai S guys came and toured,

441
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: We played against blink Cart. It's gonna be unbelievable. And

442
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I met him. And so

443
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: there's this lineage of guys. Um, your first when did

444
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: you first go to a S. My first year was

445
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: two dozen too, so I got a scholarship to go

446
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: to two thousand and two and then went for half

447
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: a year in two thousand and three, and then you know,

448
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 1: in August was at the University of Utah. So I

449
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: guess before me, you know, there was some still some

450
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: big names. Looke longly came through that program. Um, so

451
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: there were, but then I guess once I've come through

452
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: that snowball effects started of Delava Dover and Joe Ingles

453
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: and Patty Mills and Aaron Baynes and the list goes

454
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: on right. Um, and now most most of the NBA

455
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: players from Australia have had some sort of affiliation to

456
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: the a S at some point in their career. What

457
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: how did how did they claim out about you? How

458
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: did you get the scholarship there? What's the actual process?

459
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I was really lucky because in Australia it's a whole

460
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: different system to America. We don't really play for our

461
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: high school, so our competitive basketball has done on the

462
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: weekends kind of you play for your local kind of league,

463
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: and then if you're really good in that suburb or area,

464
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: you then represent that whole suburb against other suburbs on

465
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: a Friday night, which is called rep basketball representative basketball,

466
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 1: which is kind of the equivalent to AU And then

467
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: if you're really really good starting from under sixteen, you

468
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: represent your whole state at the national championships. So you

469
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: know there's seven or eight teams that they go to

470
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: those national championships. Sometimes a team from New Zealand as well,

471
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: and that's where you generally get scattered from the a S.

472
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Speaker 1: The issue for me was I never made those teams

473
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: and never made those state teams. I was always cut

474
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: under sixteen, under sixteens, didn't get an invite. Under eighteen.

475
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: I got an invite and got I got an emergency

476
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: so if someone got hurt, I got to go, which

477
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: was which was kind of a blessing in disguise because

478
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: it motivated me more. I still got to train with

479
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: those guys, and then by the end of it, by

480
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: the time they took off to go, no one got hurt.

481
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: Obviously I was kicking all their asses, but I was

482
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: the emergency, so I couldn't go. And then, um, yeah,

483
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: I guess we would go to the national championships because

484
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, logic says I, if you're going to see

485
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: the best players, you go to the national championships to scout. Well,

486
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, so I thought I'm not going to

487
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: get a chance for the a S or Australian junior

488
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: national team camps. And then I was playing so well

489
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: here locally, but they just got a whiff of my

490
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: name and just kind of gave me like a wild

491
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: card invite last minute. The camp was in September. I

492
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: got the letter in August to go up to the

493
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: camp and then I went up there and the no

494
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: one really knew who I was, And that was kind

495
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: of a good thing because I came and all these

496
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: all these that are being in that national Championships and

497
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: that program for a number of years all kind of

498
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: knew each other. You knew you with the household names

499
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: were from each state, people like who hells this dude,

500
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: like skinny wiry dude. And I came in the first

501
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: day at camp to keep everyone's ass and then they

502
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: offered me a scholarship on the first day. At the

503
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, they they brought me in and

504
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: said we want to bring you in and like that

505
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: was a huge emotional moment for me because I was

506
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of always overlooked and I felt like I never

507
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: really got a really good chance to be part of

508
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: part of teams. And to get a scholarship somewhere where

509
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: I could essentially have my bedroom next to a basketball

510
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: gym was was paradise for me. All your parents, like

511
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: in terms of um, you obviously at some point love

512
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: basketball and your dad's a mechanical and your mom's helping

513
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: him out, and here you are saying I love basketball.

514
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: And no matter how good you thought you were an

515
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: overlooked you were a lot of people like you're just

516
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the emergency on the state team, right, You're not what

517
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: what were they like in terms of their supportive I'm

518
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: not real supportive, but I mean look with with bast

519
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: especially in Australia, like if your parents aren't supportive, if

520
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: you're not getting to the games because it's a lot

521
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: of driving, it's a lot of time in cars. I mean,

522
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: most parents that deal with junior sports, Like I said,

523
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: America is a little bit different because high school takes

524
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: care of a lot of it. Here's he's much harder.

525
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: You've got your parents really have to drive you everywhere,

526
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: and you've got your training sessions every day, and so

527
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: without them, you wouldn't been getting from point A to

528
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: point bat even get there. Um dad, you know, modified

529
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: the backyard at one point to put a basketball whoop in.

530
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: I had a basketball hoop at his workshop as well,

531
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: so he kind of he always told people I was

532
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: going to be a professional, And you don't know really

533
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: if he thought that because people. People don't know if

534
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: he thought that just because he was my dad, it

535
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: was just biased. But he knew how much time I

536
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: spent out in the backyard, so he saw firsthand how

537
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: much I love the game. And it got so bad

538
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: that I'd be outside shooting in the rain, playing basketball

539
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: in the rain. And then he actually put some flood

540
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: lights up for me, um near the basketball court so

541
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: I could actually shoot once he got dark, because in

542
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: Melbourne winter it gets dark about five pm at night,

543
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: like you know, So I'd be out there until like

544
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: neighbors will be losing their ship hating me because the

545
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: ball was nouncing, and I'd just be out there shooting

546
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: until my mom came and yelled at me to come

547
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: back inside. And so he kind of knew, like he

548
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: saw how much I was invested in it, and that's

549
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: all I thought about. And I think he always told

550
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: people I was going to be a professional, and most people,

551
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: most other parents or friends and be like, yeah, yeah, whatever,

552
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: like this, you know, you're crazy. Every parent says that

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: about their kid. But he was one of those people

554
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that was kind of really confident, probably more confident than

555
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I was at that point. You know, do you remember

556
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: calling them and telling them about the scarsion to ass Definitely, yeah,

557
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: emotional moment, like like I said, yeah, just just for

558
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: the journey that I want my My whole journey wasn't

559
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: smooth sailing. So that's what was cool about finally having

560
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: that opportunity to be somewhere that's special. You know, there's

561
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: only twelve kids a year to get that opportunity in

562
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: the whole of Australia. Um, and then you're basically on

563
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: that pathway to be as good as you want to be. Essentially,

564
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: whether you go to college and the NBA or the NBA,

565
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: you're in kind of the box seat. But the other

566
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: the flip side of the there's a lot of kids

567
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I think they've made it once they've made the as

568
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: So that's what I was always cognizant of, like make

569
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: sure you use this opportunity to get even better. Don't

570
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: just think like now on top twelve in Australia. You know,

571
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: but where does that? Where does that come from? Though?

572
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: But where does that come from? Because like, look, that's

573
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: really natural right for guys who think they made it.

574
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: Yet you're telling yourself these things like to continue to

575
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: motivate yourself is that is that your dad? Is that

576
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: just your internal instinct of how you've always been, how

577
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: like you're what seventeen at the time, seventeen finally opportunity, right,

578
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: great honor. Most dudes like I made it, you're not.

579
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: Where does that come from? I never had it. I

580
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: never had it as a junior. So, like like I said,

581
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: I never got invited. I was never in the cool,

582
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: the cool group as a basketball junior. Like, I was

583
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: never in the good teams. I bounced around the two

584
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: different teams throughout my junior childhood, you know. Um and

585
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: when the team's gone. So I started with the data

586
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: on Rangers, which was my local club. They were there

587
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: were a big, big stadium. Now I think they've got

588
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: something like sixteen courts now in their gym, or fourteen

589
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: or sixteen courts. So I was there for two or

590
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: three years and then got put in like the third team.

591
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: UM so ABC, I got putt in the C team

592
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: and therest some bullshits. So I left and then went

593
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: to Waverley Falcons for a season and a half and

594
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: then finished off at Sandringham. UM and I talked about

595
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: it on my podcast, I do my journey episodes when

596
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: we go through all this, and that Sandriham team was

597
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of a team of misfits, a team

598
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: of I guess kids that were just shunned by society,

599
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and it was it was like the perfect perfect fit

600
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: for me. I was like, this is this is me,

601
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: Like this is my group parents, parents, and other teams

602
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: hated us, other teams hated us. We were one of

603
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: the teams that had hardly any parents showing up to

604
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: watch their own kids. Was one of those one of

605
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: those teams, right, So I was like, this is me.

606
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: It seemed perfectly and but yeah, back to your question.

607
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: It was just like I always was afraid of losing

608
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity because I never had it. So I was like,

609
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: once I got it, I was like, I don't want

610
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to sunk this up. Yeah. Is that

611
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: where you is that Waiver League team? Is that where

612
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: you developed your ability to screen screen legally? Is that

613
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: where that was? That was Rick majeris funnily enough at Utah. Yeah,

614
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: used to. He was big on screening. If you if

615
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: you didn't make contact on a screen, man, you're you're

616
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: running for the rest of that session. So I learned

617
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: real earlier that if I said a screen, I better

618
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: you better clap bodies otherwise you're gonna hear it from Rick?

619
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Was there? Any who else was up? Okay, So you're

620
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: at as you have it? Who is your You have

621
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: one roommate? You guys all is it one big dorm room? Like?

622
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: What is it? It's basically one kind of narrow building

623
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: that has a spiral staircase through the middle, and on

624
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: each landing there's three rooms and everyone has their own

625
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: little room. But the rooms weren't luxurious by any means.

626
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: You basically walk into your room. You've got a skinny

627
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: little bed. It's kind of like a balanced beam in gymnastics,

628
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: so you don't want to turn too much or you're

629
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: falling out of that thing. You got a small little

630
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: study disk, You've got a little heater and a little

631
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: sink and a wardrobe. That's it. Um. The bathrooms are

632
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: then shared on each level. There's one bathroom on each level,

633
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: so basically all twelve of us are in one one

634
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: one kind of tall four level doing Essentially that's all

635
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: wide open, and it was quite it was cool, like

636
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you just sixteen seventeen years old. You're you're away from home,

637
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: you're living with your boys and you know where, you know,

638
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: having fun, bantering, getting in fights, doing stupid ship like

639
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: that's part of the fun of going through that journey,

640
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you like that was probably

641
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: the one of the most enjoyable phases of my career,

642
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: was just just gone through all that and all the

643
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: dumb ship that we did and got in trouble and

644
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen sevent eights and then girls came into

645
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: play and all that kind of stuff. So it was

646
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: a fun part of my life that I really really enjoyed. Okay,

647
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: give me the give me these stupidest ship to shoot me.

648
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I'll share a stupid ship story and then you can

649
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: s Okay. So I grew up. I grew up going

650
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: to a basketball camp on Snow Valley. Basketball camps Westmont College.

651
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: With Westmont is a if there's a more affluent part

652
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: of Santa Barbara, that's exactly what it is, right. It

653
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: is unbelieva. It's right near were Opralyts, right. So, but

654
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: this camp was it's like the best fundamental camp around.

655
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: You don't even have a basketball the first day and

656
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: a half. So I used to We used to go

657
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: up there with a bunch of our buddies, and I

658
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: would do both sessions and no buddy named Adam Libby

659
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: and Adam was It was like four dudes in a room,

660
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, bunk beds, and so I'll never forget that

661
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: you could pull out the middle slats that held up

662
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: the top bunk and it would still stay up. And

663
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: then somebody hop on the top bunk and they fall

664
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: down the bottom bunk. So um, and then we do

665
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: the icy hut in the jockstrap and the under source

666
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: of right. So so, but on one particular night, like

667
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: he got out of the shower and put on some

668
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: underwear that we had put icye hout in, and then

669
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I had also pulled out the slack. So it's like

670
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: a double whammy at once, and the camp director comes

671
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: in and everybody's gotta like it's like bed check. So

672
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the camp director comes in and checkout us. You just

673
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: put on these underwear, and he hops in the top bunk,

674
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: falls through onto the bottom bunk. Right now, dudes are

675
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: laughing and he's mad, he's kissed. Then he stands up

676
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and now his balls. Let me keep me out of

677
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: camp twelve and thirty at the time, all right, just

678
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: give me one Hyjens Andrew Bogan, Australian Institute of Support.

679
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: We we had, we had a lot like Sioner stories

680
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: to the others, right, um, we have this is a

681
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: pretty disgusting one, but that's okay. Yes, I always on

682
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: my own part as well. But at the yes, when

683
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: you're under eighteen, you can't. You basically have to sign

684
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: out whenever you leave the campus campus like atmosphere, when

685
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: you're under eighteen. When you're when you're under eighteen, you

686
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: can't really go out of party because you've gotta be

687
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: back at twelve footing on a Saturday, and I think

688
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: it was ten o'clock on a weeknight. So donda age

689
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: guys like myself, we couldn't really go party with the

690
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: older guys. So the eighteen year old we have on

691
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: the team, they could go party, drink, go to clubs whatever. Right,

692
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: So they go out one night and they come back

693
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: at like three or four in the morning, come back

694
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to our block and they wake myself and a teammate

695
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: of mine up who shall remain nameless. And so I

696
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: we have these kind of network phones you can call

697
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: call each other's room just on those regular wide old

698
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: school phones that kids these days probably don't know about, yep,

699
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And I call him and I say, man, this is

700
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: a bullshit. Came back at three in the morning. They're

701
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: working us up. They're making a shipload of noise. They

702
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: went to the top top level room and they're partying

703
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: and they're continuing on the party and someone we're gonna

704
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: do something. So I had a bunch of firecrackers, right,

705
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm gonna lie a few of these

706
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: and throw them under the door. So I throw a

707
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: few under the door while they're in the room. Goes off,

708
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: bang bang, bang, nothing. They don't react. So there's a

709
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: teammate of mine who I know who ended up playing

710
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: with later on, who'll be like, oh, I just both

711
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: ignore him. Ignore him. Is just will piss him off

712
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: if we ignore him, right, I always piste off. They ignored.

713
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I got no I got no pushback, which is what

714
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I wanted, right, So I'm like, man, what can we do?

715
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: So in that block, like everyone has their own room

716
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: and and the doors, no one really locked him because

717
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: we had a main door at the front, so you

718
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: just if you went to someone else's room, you leave

719
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: the door right open. So one one of my teammates

720
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: that I'm with. He goes, I told you about the sinks, right,

721
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna go I'm gonna go shooting something. I'm

722
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna go shooting someone sink. So I'm like, oh, yeah,

723
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: do it, do it? Do it. I'm gassing it up,

724
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: like there's no way he's gonna do it, like three

725
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, Like how can you just shoot on command?

726
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Like do it? Do it? Do it right? So he

727
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: goes downstairs. There was a teammate ours and his doors

728
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: just wide open, and he was kind of more like

729
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: he had a bit of argus to him, but he

730
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: was a quiet, kind of soft guy. It wasn't wasn't

731
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: really fired. His doors the one that happens to be open, right,

732
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: and it's on the bottom floor. So my friend go

733
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: My teammate goes down there, jumps up on his sink,

734
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: squashed down, and I just hear it drop on the

735
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: sink and I'm just like, no, no way, he's really

736
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: done it, right, So oh, here we go. So he

737
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: yells at me like, hey, don't get me some talletpaper

738
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: from the bathroom. So I'm like, all right, so run

739
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: up and get some talilet paper, I bring it back

740
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: and give it to him. Wife's his asked puts it,

741
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: and the gut puts the papers and the guy's been

742
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: leaves the ship in the scence. So then we go

743
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: back to bed, right, so I can't sleep. I'm just

744
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: sitting there in my bed like I'm just waiting, just

745
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: waiting like this, like what's gonna happen? And then I

746
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: hear we hear the door open from the top top landing,

747
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: so we're like, okay, they're eventually going to bed. So

748
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: then you hear everyone go down to their room. You

749
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: hear everyone's door shut, the other guys in the bottoms,

750
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: he gets their last About three minutes later, you just here,

751
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Oh my god, like, you know, just

752
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: losing he's losing it. So then you just hear the clicker.

753
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Everyone else's doors open up again, like what's going on?

754
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: It was like these big things. So a teammate, another

755
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: teammate comes to my room, knocks on my door. He's like,

756
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: I know it was you. You would do some ship

757
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: like that. Why don't you do that? He was liked

758
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: he was like ready to fight me, right, So I'm like, hey,

759
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: if you want to fight let's do it. And I'm

760
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: just letting you know what, I didn't do it, Like

761
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: I didn't wrap my teammate out. But I'm just like,

762
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. It is not me. But if

763
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: you want to fight, we can go. And the kind

764
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: of calmed down to the kid they got sink shooted in.

765
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: He picks up, picks up the ship with his finds

766
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: a stick, walks out into the common area, throws it

767
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: into the wall. Right, So now these things stuck onto

768
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: a wall and kind of like kind of like you know,

769
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: dripped down the wall, right, so there's like just a

770
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: ship streak on the wall. So then I guess in

771
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: the morning, the coaches find coaches find out that as

772
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: find out they have to lock the blockdown, right, they

773
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: have to call the local county or council. The dude

774
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: came in the in a hazmat suit full hasmat like

775
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 1: with the backpack and the ghostbusters ray had to close

776
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: the blockdown. I think we got kicked out for I

777
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: think it was eight to ten hours. That's like spray

778
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: it all down, you know, casal Miller and like people

779
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: can get sick. So we basically inadvertently kicked ourselves out

780
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: of our block for ten hours and there was like

781
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: a big deal, like the kid my teammate got suspended

782
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: for a week. That's just it's disgusting and shuper But

783
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like they do. They do contract tracing on the

784
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: on the on the ship. That's how they found out.

785
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah pretty much. Yeah, no matter, swear a mask for

786
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Yeah, but uh yeah, I mean

787
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: that's that's a disgusting one that some people think is

788
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: funny somewhere. But when you've got a group of sixteen

789
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: year old boys together, dumb students, who's no no question. Okay,

790
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: So how did you get to Utah? Um? A long story,

791
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: but there was a coach named Ken Shields who was

792
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: a Canadian basketball legend. He had his finger prints on

793
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: Steve Mash back in the day and he could come

794
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: out to Australia and saw me and was friends with

795
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: the Magarius was like, you gotta you gotta come out

796
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: and recruit this guy. And they got on me early,

797
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: recruited me very early. Right when I got to the

798
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: ask no one really knew about me, and then I

799
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: just kind of stuck with them, and um, I was

800
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: supposed to go over at the end of two thousand

801
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: and two, supposed to come over for Christmas and red

802
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: shirt that that Christmas tool the following year and then

803
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: start my freshman year. And then I got screwed with

804
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: some transcripts. Um they see double adem me ineligible because

805
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have enough science credits. I did a class

806
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: called sports Studies in Australia. It was half social, half

807
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: physical credits and the n C double A being the

808
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: genius as they are said, well, it's either one or

809
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: the other. It can't be social, it can't be you know, physical,

810
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: it can't be social, can't can't be half half. It's

811
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: one or the other. So then side I put those

812
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: credits towards. I was short on the other side, so

813
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: then I couldn't go over. Rick Majeris pretty much went

814
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: nuts at that assistant that was recruiting me because he

815
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: blamed him. Send him on like a year recruiting trip.

816
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see him once I got to Utah. I

817
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: saw him one day. It was done the whole year.

818
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: He blamed him for it, but eventually got over there

819
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: the next year. And was it Johnson or was it

820
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Danny Dangels. No, it was a guy named Sylvie Dominguez. Yeah,

821
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: so he was three like you and stay together had

822
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: to be the most bizarre combo ever. Well, I never

823
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: met him. He was recruited from from remotely right, so

824
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: he was kind of it was him. Jeff Strong was

825
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: involved as well, but then he moved on too, I

826
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: believe Marquette and then carry Up carry Up came on later,

827
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: but they passed it on to Sylvie, and then he

828
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: was involved with just my kind of communications, sending me

829
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the letters. They just gave to him to do all

830
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: of the admin type stuff. And then when the transcript

831
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: didn't pass by n C double a brick just blamed him.

832
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: And like I said, I saw the guy, saw the

833
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: guy w He came to one training session that whole

834
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: freshman year of mind. Never swear him again, which is crazy.

835
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: What what was your first year like an a wreck?

836
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: It was real hot. I'm not gonna lie um. He was,

837
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, may rest in peace. I prefaced it that way.

838
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: And he was one of the best possible minds I've

839
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: ever played for. He was a genius possible wise like

840
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: he thirty point scorers, which against will not score thirty

841
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: against this if they did, they shoot. He was we

842
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: would never be underprepared. He was unbelievable as far as

843
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: that went, um spacing, execution time, and score unbelievable. But

844
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: he was a coach that would make you question how

845
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: much you'd like to get love the game every day,

846
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: every day, not not one, not one minute you spent

847
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: with him, you wouldn't. You wouldn't questioned that. And I

848
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: saw a lot of kids with a lot of talent

849
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: quit completely transfer hate life, hate basketball because it was

850
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: it was a mental battle daily. He'd just be you know,

851
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: he was hard, very very very very hard. He wouldn't

852
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't be able to coach today with

853
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: with with the way things are going. It would only

854
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: take one person is sitting there and record a training

855
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: session with their phone and he'd be gone, you know,

856
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: because he was. He was very very hard and it

857
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of helped helped me get to where where I am.

858
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: At the same time, there was a struggle. You know,

859
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I was homesick. I didn't know a person when I

860
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: got off a plane in tar And Um, yeah, he

861
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: was he was tough. Did he did he were you there?

862
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: Did he take the dump on the floor? Was that

863
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: when you were there? No, that was that was? That

864
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: was I think he used before me where he said, yeah,

865
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: if you're gonna flylock shoot your training ship. But I

866
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: heard about that story. But he done. He used to

867
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: do so much crazy, so much crazy stuff. Well, so

868
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: so here's the here's the story I I heard, and

869
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I wanta tell you who I heard it from. But

870
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: when when he left, right, so I'll give you. He

871
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: recruited me too when I transferred from Notre Dame Oaklham State.

872
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: But Mark Jackson didn't play with you your first year, right,

873
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: Mark was your point guard. He quit. He quit, right,

874
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: He quit because and again I don't uh Majaris called

875
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: him the C word was the only name he would

876
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: call him. He wouldn't call Mark, right, we caught everyone

877
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: to Seawood. But yeah, yeah, but but but but Mark

878
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: felt like that was you wouldn't call Mark, he wouldn't

879
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: call him Jackson. He would just call him the four

880
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: letter C word. And so when Jack and he got

881
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: the job, Mark came into his office and said, like, hey, coach,

882
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: I you know I'd like to play. He's like, should

883
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: be like to have He's like I got one, Like

884
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: I just I have one. It's not a request like

885
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: I just one basically one thing. He's like, what is it?

886
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: What is it? He's like, well, you promised to never

887
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: call me a cut and he was like done, why

888
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: would ever? He's like, because that's the only thing that

889
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: Rick would call me. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean it's

890
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: and Mark Jackson. What's crazy about it is Mark Jackson

891
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: is the pitome of ma Jari's player. That dude was

892
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: tough as ship, like Bobby and loose bowls, had a

893
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: three point shot, you time and score, play, you do anything,

894
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: he said going through that wall, he'd do it, and

895
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: you just like, dude, you're railing the one guy. It's

896
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: like the epitome of what you coach for, what you

897
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: want out of your players. But it was it was

898
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: great to get him back. But yeah, like that was

899
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: daily man. He used to use that word a lot.

900
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was you know, okay the

901
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: staff man. I go back to Australia, like he'd your

902
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: high school coaches were idiots, who the hell coach to

903
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: their morons? Like every day man, You're just like like,

904
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: no let up, no let up at all. Um. I

905
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: speak about it, And I just did a Utah portion

906
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: of my journey for my freshman year on the Roadbots podcast,

907
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: and I still remember we had high school coaches come

908
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: to watch our practice one time, and he'd be cussing

909
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: them out, like just watching our practice session, and he'd

910
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: be like, you know, excuse my language. I hope this

911
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: isn't PG. But he'd like, look at these cock suckers

912
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: up here watching my watching my practice. They're writing down

913
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: all my plays in their little notebooks. Defense and rebounding,

914
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: that's what wins games. They don't know, shoot about execution,

915
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: they don't know. You're just like these coaches are up there,

916
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: guests like, and they're just like, what do we do?

917
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: What do we do? But that's how he was. He

918
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: was just, you know, be cussing out on the road.

919
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: We'd have shoot arounds. God forbid. A janitor came in

920
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: the ArenaBowl like that was up in the fiftieth row.

921
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: He just summed, now see him and just stopped widing

922
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: into it. Who is that motherfucker up there? Hey? What

923
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: do you do? You know, you're just like, I'm the janitor.

924
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm just here to clean the you know, I left

925
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: up a pup goal from last game. Just lady two people,

926
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: but so so the team that went to the final four.

927
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: He was so he was, he was, he was recruiting me.

928
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: So this is ninety nineties seven, So spring of ninety seven, No, yeah,

929
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: spring of ninety seven yea, So nine nine seven he's

930
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: recruiting me. And um, I went Notre Dame. I got

931
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: in trouble after starting as freshman. I sat out of

932
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: the junior college in southern California, and so he came

933
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and I would practice with the team, but not place

934
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: I didn't lose a year, and he brought Jeff Judkins

935
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: and I think Donnie Daniels and I practiced for two

936
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: hours and then we talked, and then everybody had left,

937
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: and then he closed the doors and they worked me

938
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: out for like another hour and a half, just me. So, yeah,

939
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: you complain, like, let's go get some neat. So we

940
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: go and they're playing UC Irvine and and uh, we

941
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: go and eat, and he was like telling me about

942
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: how he's on a diet. He's really trying to watch Meanwhile,

943
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: like I got like a burger and fries, and I

944
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: look up and he's like eating all my fries and

945
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: he's asking me about my burger. And so then he

946
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: ordered the exact same burger I had. What I remember

947
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: about him is obviously I remember like how he treated

948
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: people was crazy, But I also remember like there was

949
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: a level of discipline that I had just never seen before,

950
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: never where he would say like again Van Horne was

951
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: on the team, then then Hanna mental of these guys

952
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: like to lunch and he could go back to coaching

953
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: and fucking keep that horn touched and gets back behind

954
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: the line, sprints down and sprints back and then gets

955
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: back in the drill. You know, like some coaches you're like, hey,

956
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: go give me a laugh or go around the line,

957
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: and guys are you know whatever, because they're mad. Like

958
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: there was none of that ship. So it's crazy that

959
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: he was, you know, boarderline abusive, but it did work,

960
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: and it was an incredible level of discipline as a

961
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: guy who like, dude, look, you're a smart new you're

962
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: a free thinker. You know, you're you're working around with anybody.

963
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: How did you handle the discipline nature obviously taking that

964
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: you're away from home stuff, but how did you handle

965
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: somebody demanding all of these things of you, which I

966
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: just wondered how you personally held that. It was a

967
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: battle at times like, it's just just because it was

968
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: every day that that was the thing. You knew the

969
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: moment he walked in the gym, the moment he left,

970
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: it was boss to the wall. And I think that's

971
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: where I think at times, maybe if just once a

972
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: month he gave some positive reinforcement, you'd be like, oh, cool,

973
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: like but that that wasn't him. And the thing that

974
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: shocked me most was like I still remember a session

975
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: probably I wasn't there for about a month or two

976
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: and just railing into me, railant into everyone. One session

977
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: he was on me for like three hours straight and

978
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: then tell me everything to go back to Australia, your

979
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: coaches sucked, you know, blah blah blah blah blah um.

980
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: And then the moment the session ended, we walked off

981
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: the court literally thirty centimeters from the sideline and he

982
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: it's like he was Bipolo can act. He put his

983
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: arm around me and said, hey, Boger, you know, you know,

984
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: how how are you you do anything? You can? I

985
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: take you out to eat? You know, do you need

986
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: any any clothes? What do you you know? You're just

987
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: like man, this guy was just brailing me for three

988
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: hours straight, like telling me, I'm the worst, the worst

989
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: recruit ever. He regrets recruiting me and then, but that's

990
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: just how he was. And he would try to overdo

991
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: the off course stuff because he knew don't deep down

992
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: like he was he was, he wasn't telling the line.

993
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: He was way over the line at times. He would

994
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: try to fix that by going over the top off

995
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the court with making sure that you were good. And look,

996
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I think he had he had a good heart deep down,

997
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: but he was just it was an intense, crazy dude.

998
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: And that's just um. You know, I definitely got better

999
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: under him, and he taught me so much about especially

1000
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: the defensive end and and time and score was a

1001
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: big one that he taught me about don't take that

1002
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: shot right now, we don't need that or you know,

1003
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: I had no idea about that coming from Australia. Um,

1004
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: so he was definitely had had his imprints on I'm

1005
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: king of the way I played. I'm trying to think

1006
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: who the player was. Um, it's like David something more

1007
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: other God dam it, and he he uh might have

1008
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: been David Jackson who transferred out of there. There was

1009
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that did the transfer other but um,

1010
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: So the Gonzaga guys they told me he was I

1011
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: think it's David Jackson. Mess up. Yes, David, Yes, David

1012
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Jackson Portland Organ. So David Jackson, uh in nineties. He

1013
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: was there and he played a little less than half

1014
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: the game and he had a transferred to organ. So

1015
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: the story goes, he visited Gonzaga and those guys, Gonzaga

1016
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: guys are there like all of us right, Like they're

1017
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: smart asses, they're really funny. And so they sit down

1018
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: to have a meal on his recruiting visit and they're like, uh,

1019
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: all right, we can't eat until you give us one

1020
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Rick story. And he was like right now. He's like

1021
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: right now, we're not ordering. He advertises no drinks, do

1022
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: not one Rick story. So he goes, Okay the other day.

1023
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: They're like, whoa, you gotta good with the other day.

1024
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, the other day. So the story goes

1025
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: David Jackson, you know, he's a sophomore. He's playing like

1026
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a game, super frustrated um and he decides,

1027
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna I want to maybe want to leave.

1028
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: And so before Christmas break he goes into see Rick

1029
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: and Rick's like you know, just wait till after Christmas,

1030
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: Brick and see how it goes, you know. So, uh,

1031
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: he comes back after christ and Christmas break and he's

1032
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: like he knocks on the door and Rick answers the

1033
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: door in his hotel room in a towel, right so,

1034
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: because the guy was always naked, right so, so, so

1035
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: he answered the door in his town and he said, oh,

1036
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: col Davi, come on then come on now, I just

1037
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: you don't got on a shower, you know, so can

1038
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: I get you anything? You know? I got fridge full

1039
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: whenever He's like no, no, Rick, Rick, It's okay. It's

1040
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: like listen. He's like hemming and on and listen. I

1041
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard for me him. You believed

1042
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: in me, recruited me and played me. So me. He

1043
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: looks up and Rick is like out out. So now

1044
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: he's sitting there going like alright, like do I wait

1045
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: till he wakes up? Nudge him, he just I just

1046
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: want to ask for my release, right man to man,

1047
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: face to face, raise him a good family, right story.

1048
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: So finally wakes Rick up and oh, oh oh David, dude,

1049
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry so sorry. He's like, yeah, Rick

1050
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: as He's like, yeah, you know, there's this medication I'm on.

1051
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: I just you know, it makes me fall asleep. It's

1052
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: like and he like peels back and he's like, God,

1053
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: a big swollen ball. It's like, look what it due

1054
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: to that ball? And David was like, Rick, I want

1055
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: my release, I want to transfer tomorrow. I'm out. Like

1056
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: he literally never talked to him ever again because he

1057
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: showed him his big swollen ball. Because of some medications.

1058
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, he used to he used to shorts that

1059
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: were too small that he would sit down to practice.

1060
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: He sit down at the bottom of the basket stanchions.

1061
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: He's not to be hanging out. Um. He came and

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: recruiting me. He actually came out for a visit to

1063
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Australia for forty eight hours and we played in a

1064
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: rural city outside of Melbourne. So I drove back with

1065
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: my junior coach here carry up in a car to

1066
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: our drive and the same thing with the sleeping. He

1067
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: would be like he was railing me about the way

1068
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: I played because I played ship that game. You know,

1069
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: Bill good, you need to do this, you need to

1070
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: do that. And then he'd just hear snoring mid conversation.

1071
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: He just starts snoring, and I'm just like, I looked

1072
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: at my junior coach look to carry up and carry up.

1073
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: Just gave me one of these ones like I don't know.

1074
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: And then so I'm like, cool, long drive, I can

1075
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of just look out the window and chill out

1076
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: for a bit. And then fifteen minutes later he'd wake

1077
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: up and continue the conversation from where he left it.

1078
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: So I was just like this dude, like there were

1079
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: red flags there already, like I should have liked, but

1080
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this dude was crazy that he like

1081
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: came to my team. Then with my mom and my dad,

1082
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: I was just saying, reckless, shooting to the table. My

1083
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: dad's like about to kill the dude, but dads like

1084
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I gotta keep a calm from my son. It's a

1085
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: great opportunity, like you know, one of those ones. He

1086
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: parted at the table like it was just dude like

1087
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, he was reckly. He didn't care, man,

1088
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: he did not he did not care. And um I

1089
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: had I had a friend of mine who was a

1090
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: teammate of mine, was from Compton, California. Um it was

1091
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: because it was a Richard Cheney. Richard Cheney. I think

1092
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: it was um from that area anyway, And he said

1093
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: that during the recruiting visit, you know, he was you know,

1094
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: they put on a big feast African American family, you know,

1095
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: and Rick eight and then just went and fell asleep

1096
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: on the couch during the recruiting visit with the parents.

1097
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: You're just like, what are you doing? Man? So they're

1098
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: just like sitting around looking at each other, like what

1099
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: do we do? Sleep on the couch, just like no

1100
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Fox given wakes up, all right, thanks, Dinna just leaves

1101
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: crazy dude, man. But there's the beauty of the beauty

1102
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: of people that have played for with Jerious exactly what

1103
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: you just get on is when we catch up, it's

1104
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: just these stories going for hours, and it's just so

1105
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: funny because you know, like I played with Kevin Leash

1106
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: who played at University of St. Louis. He's out here,

1107
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: he's a naturalized lawsy now but American um and he

1108
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: played for the Jared's St. Louis. So we were just

1109
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: would go out to eat when I played with in

1110
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: two seasons ago and just tell stories about this for hours,

1111
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: just lose track of time, and it's hilarious. Sodded. So

1112
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: here's what I always tell my coach is a hard

1113
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: ass coach said, and and they were, and they were

1114
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: brutal to us, but I felt like it was like

1115
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: they would create this them against us intentionally, and it

1116
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: made us closer together, Like we were, like to this day,

1117
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: we're super close. All the guys I played. There's like

1118
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: one dude is out there we don't like associate with,

1119
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: and everybody else were like super close with. Didn't do

1120
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: at where it made you guys, because you all hit him.

1121
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: It made you somehow. It was like a genius coaching

1122
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: technique to it. Yeah, I don't I don't think that

1123
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: was strategic by him, But yeah, and I think that

1124
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: you're definitely right. Whenever you have a hardass coach, I

1125
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: think it does bring the playing group together even somewhat.

1126
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: The assistance are probably even closer to the players, and

1127
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: there should be because they know they have to like

1128
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: give a few more hugs and and you know, try

1129
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: to keep guys chins up because just so hard at times.

1130
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, you definitely make a valid point. I think

1131
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: any any hard ass coach the players, if the players

1132
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: aren't to go at least you see it in professional sports,

1133
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot um that coach doesn't last very long, all right,

1134
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: So Ray Jack will let it get to the job.

1135
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: What what? What was what was that like? It was

1136
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: interesting because at the time I really wanted to carry

1137
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: up to get the job. He was a head assistant.

1138
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: He took over when Rick left my freshman year halfway

1139
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: through the year and did a pretty good job, and

1140
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: we all loved him, and then it kind of hurt

1141
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: when he didn't get it, to be honest, because we

1142
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: didn't know much about about Ray and he came from

1143
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: a smaller school and guys are kind of like, what

1144
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: the hell, And then came in with with a lot of,

1145
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, kind of methodical type offense, a lot of backcuts,

1146
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: Princeton type stuff, and a lot of guys kind of

1147
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: struggled to you know, I guess by into that. But

1148
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: then once they realized he was a good person, it

1149
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: was polar opposite of kind of what they've dealt with

1150
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: with Rick. That you know, he wasn't going to drop

1151
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: the sea bomb, he wasn't gonna cust you out our session.

1152
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: He'd fire up when he needed to, And for me,

1153
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: it was it was a God said, you know, we

1154
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: got into it early. Um, we had we had a

1155
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: few runnings early in his tenure, and once we ironed

1156
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: those out, it was never looking back. And he let me.

1157
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: He basically gave me the keys to the team and said,

1158
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: you're our guy. Were going as far as you take us,

1159
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: and it was a really good year for us. No. Yeah,

1160
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: he had a great year. Okay, so the year gets done,

1161
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: what's what's the decision like in terms of pros coming back, etcetera. Well,

1162
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: the more my sophomore year went on, I went from

1163
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: late first round pick. Before my sophomore year, that's where

1164
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: I was projected. I had a really good Olympics, you know,

1165
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: four playing against the Dream team in the US and

1166
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: other countries and grown men essentially. So I was late first,

1167
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: and then I was mid and then by the end

1168
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: of the season it was like, this guy's the top

1169
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: five picks. So I wasn't really ready to go to

1170
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: the NBA, to be honest with your body wise, but

1171
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: I was still to T five that time. Pounds back

1172
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: in the era where there were shack Yeah, Dwight Howard,

1173
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: you need to be two sixty even compete. I wasn't

1174
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: growing into my body and I couldn't put on weight

1175
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: for ship. No matter what I did. I ate burgers

1176
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: and pizza and fright like whatever I could do, couldn't

1177
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: put a weight, which just took me a while to

1178
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: grow into my body. So I knew I wasn't ready physically,

1179
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: but I'd be an idiot to pass up a chance

1180
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: to go top five, come back for another year, get hurt,

1181
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: something happens. I was also advised the longer you stay

1182
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: in college, you might get nitpicked even more by scouts.

1183
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: They might start nitpicking little things in your game. So

1184
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: timing wise, I had to go. And Ray was awesome

1185
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: about it. The school was awesome, and he was like,

1186
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm not letting you come back. Even if you want

1187
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: to come back, you need to go to the NBA.

1188
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: You're ready. You're kind of too good for college. We

1189
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: don't really have anyone that's gonna make you get better.

1190
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the top of the totem pole. So

1191
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: you need to go get your ass key for a

1192
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: couple of years to get better. And that was kind

1193
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: of the decision made. I mentioned the Oak four Olympics. Well,

1194
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: what what's if you close your eyes and you think

1195
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: of the defining things that you remember about representing your country,

1196
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: which is incredible and playing at that level of basketball.

1197
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: What do you remember just the confidence that gave me

1198
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: coming back for my sophomore year because I played against

1199
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: grown man and held my own at some really good

1200
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: games there, um and and it just made me finally

1201
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: realize that I can play not only against grown men,

1202
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: but at at an NBA level. Um. So then when

1203
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I got back to college, I felt like I was

1204
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: playing with boys again. I felt like I was I

1205
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I was arrogantly above them, but I just

1206
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: felt like I was a man amongst boys. And I

1207
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: created that way just to keep everyone's ask we in

1208
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: week out because I felt like, hey, I was just

1209
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: I was giving it to him. Duncan, I was. I

1210
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: was holding my own against him. Duncan one of the

1211
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: best bigs of all time and I was nineteen years old.

1212
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: So that gave me a huge confidence boost going into

1213
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: into my sophomore year in college. What about the fact

1214
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: that you had gone from you know, an emergency guy

1215
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: and not making those teams to being on the Olympic

1216
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: that had that that had to be pretty incredible. Yeah,

1217
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: in two years. Essentially that was a crazy thing, Like

1218
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: I went from being a relative nobody in the basketball

1219
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: world and then from you know, in a space of

1220
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: two and a half to three years, and the number

1221
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: one pick, like it was, it just came together so

1222
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: quickly for me, and I guess and police mentalities, next thing,

1223
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: next thing, next thing. And that was my mentality. It

1224
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, who's asking I kick? Next? Where am I going? Who?

1225
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: Where can I go? Where I get my ask kicked

1226
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: a little bit? I can get better? And that was

1227
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of always what I had in my mind as

1228
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: a young fellow. And I wasn't one of those kids

1229
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: that was a prodigy from eleven, twelve thirty that you

1230
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: just knew that that kid Lebron james On Williamson, that

1231
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: was he was gonna be ANBA player. It was like,

1232
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: where the hell did this kid come from? Like why

1233
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: don't we know about him? Number one pick? You know,

1234
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty proud of that, Yeah, I was. I

1235
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember. We actually hung out at

1236
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: a bar, some random bar, super late at night Draft night,

1237
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: you guys had everybody had bogey Man hats on and

1238
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: uh and and we it was it was a late, late,

1239
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: long night to to go from that to the number

1240
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: one pick in the NBA. Did you know that the

1241
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: Bucks were taking your number one? No, they wouldn't tell me. No,

1242
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: they wouldn't tell me, So they wanted to keep that

1243
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: one in a surprise. So we we we kind of

1244
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: asked um, well, grilling him the agent was a little bit,

1245
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't They wouldn't show us their hand. What's

1246
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: that like? It was? It was amazing. Just I mean

1247
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: feel like it feel like it was sixteen years ago.

1248
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: Sixteen years ago. If it was like a long time ago.

1249
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: But when you're in the midst of your NBA career,

1250
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: that goes quick. But yea, just that draft proceed having

1251
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: my family there and like I said, just a journey

1252
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: that I had to take from from me, a young

1253
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: young fella to go the biggest stage and go number one.

1254
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Like for me playing like NBL basketball, playing profession in Australia.

1255
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: If you would have told me at twelve thirty, like

1256
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: someone's gonna pay you and give you money to play basketball? Done,

1257
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: where do I sign? I never thought the NBA was

1258
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: it was a fantasy. It was like it was that

1259
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: fantasy TV show that you just knew, Like I'm never

1260
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna get there, but it'd be nice to get there.

1261
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: And then I got there and it was like, wow,

1262
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually here. Okay, so you get there. Um, when

1263
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: you got there, your first Bucks team was a weird match, right.

1264
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Speaker 1: You had like t J thor was he was young

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Speaker 1: point guard and then he had some old guys. You

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Speaker 1: had like Tony Coo coach on your team as well, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what were the how are the old guys here? They

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01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: also had Irvan Johnson, so that basically brought Johnson back

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Speaker 1: for a season. Basically the mental me and he was

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Speaker 1: awesome to me, like he was was Basically his role

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: was like take care of bogus. So he he's sit

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Speaker 1: on the bus near me when we go on road

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01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: trips and give me the scattering report going into the

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Speaker 1: arenas after we land get to Minnesota. Hey, a little

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01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: candy does this, and it's going to do this, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like so he would. He was a really good mentor

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Speaker 1: for me. Um. Tony Coo Coach was an idol of

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: mine as a kid, So that was kind of surreal

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01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: to be my rookie year was his last year, but

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Speaker 1: Tony was kind of burned out at that point. He

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: was kind of to an extent and angry veteran where

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01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: he'd beat through all the bullshet of then b A

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: and was kind of like on a on a knife

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: stage to just snapping every day. But he was good

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Speaker 1: fun though. I mean, as long as Tony got he's

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01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: eighteen holes of golf and he was good. Um so,

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: and then we had Michael Read obviously, Desil Mason was there,

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01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: so the rouster was kind of all over the place

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01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: trying to piece it together. But it was an interesting

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: transition for me. The first was there a moment like

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: a welcome to the NBA, Like, I think your first

1292
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: game was against Chris Webber, right, Like the first NBA

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: game was Allen Iverson. I'm looking at Alan Iverson, Chris

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: and Chris Webber. By the way, they had I'm Drew Goodalar,

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Quiver, Chris Webber, Allen Iverson in their in their

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Speaker 1: starting lineup. Do you do you remember that game at all? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do. I do remember. We stole that game. At

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Speaker 1: the end, I think we you know, we're pretty close

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Speaker 1: to the whole game. And then they won that one,

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: and then I think we went to New Jersey and

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: won another close one. But yeah, I mean it was

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01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: just a real I mean that was a big It

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: was a big sacrament of Kings fans. Kay, when they

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01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: had you know, that beautiful ball movement back in the

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: early two thousands, and they will you know, they were

1306
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: up there almost being the Lakers, So I knew, you know,

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: see Webb, I watched a lot of these games, and

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Speaker 1: it was kind of surreal just to be out there

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: and competing with those guys and actually having a good

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Speaker 1: game to open up work campaign. You know, it's interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: here's how I felt like when I played in Europe

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Speaker 1: when I've seen Austie's play, is that I think there's

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Speaker 1: a respect for American basketball, Like we respect how good

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Speaker 1: those dudes are, but you don't not you personally, but

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01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: they don't love how Americans play right in that. I

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: always feel like the Aussies feel like they're a little

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01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: bit tougher. They're more about team um, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's more it's definitely five playing as one, whereas

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of the American especially the NBA basketball, it's in

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01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: the shock like hey I'm just better than you. I'm

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01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: gonna jump up and make a shot. And so there's

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Speaker 1: like a there's like a respect, but maybe not. Is

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Speaker 1: that Is that accurate? Or am I just sensing that that,

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: especially like I don't think the Spaniards, the Lithuanians, the

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Speaker 1: Italians like I don't. I don't think they like American

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: style basketball, especially the NBA and maybe the persona of it.

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Speaker 1: As an Australian who's played there, played for the national

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Speaker 1: teams and played in the NBA, is that a fair

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Speaker 1: sense of how our game or the NBA style of

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: game is viewed. Yeah, to an extent. Look, we as

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Speaker 1: a national team just speak for Australia. We know we're

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: not kind of talent in the US. Like it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Most countries aren't going to out telling them.

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Speaker 1: So we have to rely on being together, having a

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01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: good culture, moving the ball, playing the right way, setting

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Speaker 1: good screens, all those small things that we generally know

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Speaker 1: the US team won't do because at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, like you said, the US can just throw

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01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: it to Kevin Durant or Steph Curry and like get

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: us a bucket. You know, we don't have that luxury.

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: We have to we have to be clinical with our execution.

1342
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: We have to box out we have to get rebounds.

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: We can't turn the ball over. So yeah, there is

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: an argument to that, but that's why the US are

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: to beat. They can have a horrible game and can

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Speaker 1: still beat you just based on talent. But as far

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Speaker 1: as basketball purity, you obviously. For me personally, I like

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: to watch the teams move the ball and where everyone's involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm not a huge fan of isolation

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01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: basketball from a viewing perspective. I like to see you know,

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Speaker 1: sneaky sets, you know, kidders, good ball movement, you know

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It is nice to see a

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Speaker 1: guy like you know and Clay Thomps dropped thirty five.

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: It just gets hot. That's great, fantastic, But as far

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Speaker 1: as just some guy dribbling times to get a shot up,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't enjoy watching that. Some people do,

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Speaker 1: I don't. No, I don't need this. Like I said

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Speaker 1: this about James hard at all time. He's a great

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01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: basketball and I think he's better fantastic. I can't stand

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Speaker 1: to watch them play, and I'm in no way in

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Speaker 1: dating his talent. It's the way in which his talent

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Speaker 1: was used, especially in Houston. Oh, no doubt and I

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Speaker 1: totally agree. It's just not And that's the way the

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Speaker 1: game's gone. It's become an ISO game, and it's become

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Speaker 1: you know, shoot, if we shoot more threes than you

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Speaker 1: are probably gonna have a been a chance of winning.

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Speaker 1: And at times it's hard to watch. And that might

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Speaker 1: be the old man and me now on that old

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Speaker 1: that old city colll former fleet that now is. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not a case of shitty on the

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Speaker 1: younger generation. I think each generation gets better than the

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Speaker 1: previous one. But it's just the way the game is now.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just not as fun to watch. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: you were in Milwaukee for like seven years, right, Um,

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: did you know that they were thinking about moving? No,

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01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: so they they I asked to be moved. So two

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Speaker 1: thousand and I've gone through that injury run kind of

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01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: just just got out of it. Um, okay, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven, twelve, I come back. I asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing with Milwaukee was we were evolving door for

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: so many years, Like every year I'd come back and

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Speaker 1: we'd have eight or nine or ten new faces, new players,

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01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how we're going to build something? How

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01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna build a culture, how we're gonna build continuity,

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: Like when you have that many new faces, it's just

1386
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: not gonna work. When you know we're a small market team,

1387
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: we can't just can't just go and sign free agents,

1388
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, and make trades and try to hit home runs.

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01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: And they kept trying to do that. Um. I went

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Speaker 1: in and just said, look, I think you know, I've

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: played out what I can here. I think it's time

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01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: to move on for both of us. And they said, no,

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: we're not even you. When I'm gonna get cool value

1394
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: back for for a good center in the NBA, you

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01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: know you're still very valuable to us, um. And I

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01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: think that was, you know, a little league and bocks

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Speaker 1: the season before, I was really coming to my own defensively,

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Speaker 1: and they just said no. And then two weeks later,

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Speaker 1: Carl Larry shoots a floata, tries to chase his own

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Speaker 1: floater down, undercuts me. I break my ankle and was

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Speaker 1: then out for the rest of the season. Jim wasn't

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Speaker 1: the hot seat at the time. Coaches in the hot

1403
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: seat at the time. They had to make a playoff

1404
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: push and they thought more ship Boas isn't going to

1405
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: play for the rest of the season. We can get

1406
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: some value back, we'll move him. And I got traded

1407
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: from Monte Alice, who then help them get the seed

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and I went to Golden State. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So that's the end of Part one of Andrew Bogan,

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Speaker 1: which of course makes you have to listen to Part two,

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Speaker 1: which has warrior stuff, Warriors cabs stuff. Um, what happened

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: in that series when they're up to three games to one.

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: What it was like to have to watch when they

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: lost the NBA Finals, How do you balance that out

1415
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: with coming back in three games to one down to

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City in the exact same year. What it was

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: like to leave Golden State? What is like to watch

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01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: them win a title without him? What does he think

1419
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: of Kevin Durant, What does he think of Steph Curry?

1420
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: What does he think of all these guys? What is

1421
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: he What was the difference with Gene, Mark Jackson and

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. All of this to come in Part two.

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