1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,239 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: That is way too loud my headphones. Well, I've everywhere 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app and we're on the radio from 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: one until four. Gary Hoffman must be death because every 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: day I plug in my headphones into the same jack 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I said, blows my brain out. Anyway, on on the 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: iHeart app after four o'clock, you could also hear the 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: show in podcast form and I could. I say this 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: a lot, but we have so much stuff today. I 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: could probably spend the first half hour just promoting the 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: rest of the show, but I'm not going to do that. 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: We'll just take it piece by piece. One thing we 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: do have coming up at one thirty is going to 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: be okay ike Ajaji okay A Joji ike A Jodji. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: And he's the ABC News correspondent in Washington, d C. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Because the Boeing CEO is getting a spanking on Capitol Hill. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: He was meeting with the congress people over the dorp 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: plug blowing out of that Boeing jet on Alaska Airlines 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. And what's amazing is even before 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: well there's all these stories out now about Boeing. Just 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: today several stories, and the latest is a Boeing seven 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: point fifty seven lost its front tire Saturday at Atlanta 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: International Airport. This was a Delta flight. This Boeing plane 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: was headed for Bogata, Columbia, and while it was taxing 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: across the runway was getting into takeoff position when another 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: plane alerted the control tower that a tire had gotten loose. 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: According to the audio hey tower, the seventy five on 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: the roadway just lost the nose tire, and the pilot said, 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: DEALT nine eighty two, this is the aircraft looking at you. 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: One of your nose tires just came off. The delta 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: pilot responds, thanks for that. Sounds like we got a problem. 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: So the tire got loose and rolled all the way 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: across the runway and then rolled down an embankment, and 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: so maintenance crews had to run to chase the tire, 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: and then the flights lined up behind the delta jet 38 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: had to wait in place. 39 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: What are the requirements to be on a maintenance team 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: for the airlines? 41 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: You got to run fast in order to chase the 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: tire that you didn't bolt on tightly enough. So anyway, 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: it caused all kinds of chaos at the airport. And 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: that's just the newest thing you got the audio play 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the audio. 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: Ower. The five on the runway just lost the tire, Delta, 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: thanks for the ninety two Tower. Sounds like we've got 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: a problem. Uh yeah, it looks like we'll try to 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 4: tax you clear if we could. Good I do, Roger, 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 4: if you'd like to start your taxing down the runway 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: and just let me know, Roger that nine eighty two. 52 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 4: This is the aircraft looking at you. One of your 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 4: nose tires just came off. It just rolled off the 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: runway behind you, all right, tell you what, Let me 55 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: talk to maintenance Tower. Let me have a I'm going 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: to contact our maintenance folks and see if we can 57 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: get a toe in sand by one. 58 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: Please Roger, Yo. 59 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: Tower, this is Delta seventeen eighty three. You may want 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: somebody to come out. Looks like the nose tire ran 61 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: off the runway towards the end down there. 62 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Roger does care. 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 5: We'll be getting somebody out there. 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: They're so laid back. 65 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: And may you may want somebody to come out. 66 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: There, and with those southern accents they're drawing like, yeah, 67 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: you may want someone out there. 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: They got to go chase that tire. 69 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: It's going down to somebody out there asap. Now, I 70 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: guess it's good that pilots are not excitable. Yeah, but 71 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: it's it's just always cracks me up, and no matter 72 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: what's happening, it'd be flame shooting at the back end. 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: I just want to know what the training seriously, people 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: that maintain planes. I mean, I see a lot of 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: the people wandering around the planes when I'm sitting there 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: right waiting to take off, and I I kind of 77 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: watch some of these people and I. 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: Hm, yeah, if if the others didn't know it, because 79 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: because the pilot himself didn't seem to know it. Uh 80 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: and uh, it would take off and then when it's 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: time to land, you don't have a nose tire which 82 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: is going to make a really rough landing. 83 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: That should be inspected before the plane takes. 84 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 6: Off each time. 85 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what if it was. 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 6: Well, that's that's what's scary. 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: Uh, because these were other pilots that was notifying the 88 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: to pilot. Now there's a story today about the door 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: plug plane and the headline is it's in the New 90 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: York Times. How did a Boeing jet end up with 91 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: a big hole? You're going to read that story, aren't you? 92 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean you? 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: So it says as it lifted off, nobody on the 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: plane knew that there was this hidden door plug. Remember 95 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: it's hidden behind the normal inside paneling of the plane. 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: And if you forgot the door plug is there because 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: on some configurations of the plane that's an emergency exit, 98 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: but on other configurations it depends on the number of 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: seats you have that you don't need the emergency exit. 100 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: And so they put in a fake door a door plug. 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: And I was kind of shocked reading this story that 102 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: it's really just held in with bolts and pins and 103 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: what happened because this is a new plane. It just 104 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: got certified in November. As the plane was being used 105 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: and lifting off, flying through the air at thirty five 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: thousand feet and landing, you know, the plane shakes a lot. 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: There's a lot of rumbling. 108 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: So every time the jet took a trip, it rumbled 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: a little more and a little more. So slowly the 110 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: bolts got loose, and eventually the bolts popped off, it 111 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: looks like, and so the door started moving. Now it 112 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: didn't have the bolts to secure it inside. And then finally, 113 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: on this particular trip coming out of Portland, the door 114 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: flies off and now you have the big hole. And 115 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: so the New York Times analyzed how a door plug 116 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: is supposed to work. It looked at photos and documents 117 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: and interviewed a lot of people, and they found when 118 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: they found the door in somebody's backyard in Portland, the 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: plug itself was intact and the stop pins are in place, 120 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: but the bolts have not been recovered. And the bolts 121 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the plug are supposed to prevent 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: the door from sliding upwards, which could lead the stop 123 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: pins to slip past their contact point. So now the 124 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: bolts are gone, the pins have slid past the point 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: they're supposed to connect, and there goes the there goes 126 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: the door. Because the bolts at the top work together 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: with the bolts at the bottom, and if there's a 128 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: misalignment of the pins and the pads and the bolts, 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: then the door is going to be up and up, 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: go up and out when I come back, when we 131 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: come back. Why is this happening. There's there's a reason 132 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: this is happening. And this has been long in the works, 133 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's what the CEO of Boeing is 134 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: going to have to explain to these congressional committees, because 135 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: again the CEO, Dave Calhoun, was on Capitol Hill to 136 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: meet with lawmakers today and we're going to have Ike 137 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Ijachi from ABC News to explain all this. But about 138 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: a little over ten years ago, Boeing made a deal 139 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: with the devil in order to make money, and they 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: got away with it for a short while, and then 141 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: those two planes fell out of the sky and now 142 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: we're running into these ibby We had what do we 143 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: have just in the last month, right, We've got the 144 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: tire rolling off yet on Saturday, then remember there was 145 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: a cargo plane from Miami where there were flames shooting out, 146 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: and then we had the door plug. So there's there's 147 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: there's there's been a serious turn for Boeing. We'll talk 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: about we come back John Cobalt Show I Am six forty. 149 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 5: You're listening to John cobeltch on demand from KFI AM 150 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 5: six forty. 151 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: All right, so we're going to have an ABC News 152 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: correspondent on it after one point thirty to talk about 153 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: the CEO of Boeing having to explain himself got door 154 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: plug story. Then on Saturday, attire disconnected from a Boeing 155 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: from a Boeing Delta plane in Atlanta. Right before takeoff, 156 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: the tire went flying off, and there is a piece 157 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: in the and that is the sound it makes. There's 158 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: a piece in the New York Times that says, how 159 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: did we get here with Boeing, And they said that 160 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: Boeing was part of a group of aircraft makers that 161 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: were based here in southern California, most of them. Boweing 162 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: was in Seattle, but there were all these other companies, 163 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: and if you've been around long enough, you probably remember 164 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: the names. There were Hughes Aircraft, Douglas Aircraft, Northrope, North American, 165 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Lockheed right and they created aircraft for the military and 166 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: during the Cold War and the space program and commercial aviation. 167 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: Because in the nineteen sixties jet travel became popularized, more 168 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: and more people were traveling not only around the country 169 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: but around the world. So it was a huge, huge industry, 170 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: and Boeing was at the forefront here because they had 171 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: a very solid engineering culture. They had the seven oh 172 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: seven in nineteen fifty eight and that replaced prop planes. 173 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: They had the seven forty seven, which is the first 174 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: wide body plane in nineteen seventy, but their workhoorse plane 175 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: was the seven thirty seven. That's the plane. It's a 176 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: single aisle plane, you know, three seats on one side, 177 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: three seats on the other side. It is the most 178 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: successful short haul plane in aviation history. And every so 179 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: often they would redesign it and upgrade it and all that. 180 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: But what happened to the corporate culture. Remember it was 181 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: an engineering culture. Well, then it became a profit oriented culture. 182 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: They bought out McDonald douglas Arrival, they moved its headquarters twice, 183 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: they shifted some of the assembly to East Coast, and 184 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: they went through a whole turnover of one executive after 185 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: the other chief executives. And what got lost, according to 186 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: The Times, was a corporate culture that once prized engineering 187 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: in safety. Now it was one that was focused on 188 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: delivering profits over perfection because Wall Street investors thought that 189 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: worrying about safety was too costly. 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm not making this up. 191 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: It's it was a Wall Street driven notion that safety 192 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: equals costs and lower profits. So what happens, Well, they 193 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: ended up spinning off Spirit Arrow Systems which built the 194 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: seven thirty seven Max fuselage. Spirit is in Wichita, which 195 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: is a long way from Seattle, and they started losing 196 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: oversight over quality control, bullying starts to outsource more and 197 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: more components. And they got a new chief executive in 198 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, James McInerney, and he greenlighted the seven thirty 199 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: seven Max rather than develop a new aircraft. And he 200 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: was in a race with Airbus. Airbus had a new 201 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 1: aircraft and to compete, and so they rushed the development 202 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: of the seven thirty seven Max. And he also manipulated 203 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: the FAA so that the certification of the redesigned jet. 204 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Listen to this debor you were asking, would not require 205 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: retraining of pilots. What they never They decided to present 206 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: this new variation on the seven thirty seven wasn't It 207 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: wasn't a brand new designer. 208 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: It was a variation. 209 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Remember they moved the engines to the front of the plane. 210 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: It would not require the retraining of the pilots, and 211 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: the FAA went for it. There were people from Boeing 212 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: who ended up working at the FAA, and so you 213 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: could see what happens here. But this would save customers 214 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: time and money. Also, Boweing got worse and worse at 215 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: their engineering process that led to the big crash in 216 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. Both planes that crashed were 217 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: Max eight seven thirty sevens. Both of them killed hundreds 218 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: of people. And even before this door plug blew out, 219 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: they were having significant problems assembling their seven to eighty 220 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: seven Dreamliner in South Carolina. That is a whole other 221 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: set of problems they have. And then in late twenty 222 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: twenty two, Bowey engineers started heading for the door to 223 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: lock in pension payouts that they had accumulated. Something about 224 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: the rising interest rates meant that they wanted to lock 225 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: in pension payments and it would save the money. Not 226 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: to mention, when the COVID lockdown happened, a lot of 227 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: people bought well, they took their buyouts, they took early retirement. 228 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: So there's been a big brain drain at Boeing, and 229 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: the corporate culture has been focused on profits over safety 230 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: and quality. In fact, they have a phrase at Boeing 231 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: for what happened with the door plug. They call it 232 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: quality escape. That's their bureaucratic term, like quality escaped. That plane, 233 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: which is a ridiculous term. But this is how these 234 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: guys communicate. And what it meant was they did a 235 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: bad job engineering that door. 236 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: And now we're going to find out. 237 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: Let's see if what's in the report, if the CEO 238 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: can explain what's going on. But you know this, it 239 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: sounds like the writer here, Bill Separido. I think he 240 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: did a lot of interviews, and I've read other stories 241 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: along these lines as well, and I think that's that's 242 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: what's happened. They've gotten very sloppy building their planes. Now 243 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: there's only two plane makers. It's Boeing and it's Airbus. 244 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: If you travel, you know more than once, you're probably 245 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: flying a Boeing plane at some point. And usually everybody 246 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: will all just shrug and say, well, most of the 247 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: time it's safe. 248 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: What are you going to do? The world has changed though. 249 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: They don't have strict quality controls anymore at Boeing like 250 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: they used to. And I don't know what you know 251 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: they're I don't know if I have half the planes 252 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: in the sky, I don't know what the exact percentage is. 253 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: But none of this looks good. 254 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: These are planes that people fly on. I mean, this 255 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: is you're up in the you're up in the air 256 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: thousands of feet. I mean, you would think that it 257 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: would be such a high priority to have quality control. 258 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: And how long do you think Boeing's CEO is going 259 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: to keep his job? 260 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he ought to be out 261 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: of there. 262 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: He's an accountant by trade, whereas the head of Airbus 263 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: is an engineer. And the head of Airbus shows up 264 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: at work every day in the office. This guy, Dave Calhoun, 265 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: he shows up two days a month. He's one of those. 266 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 6: What he works remotely too? 267 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he doesn't leave his house. 268 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: So he's running Boeing one of the two largest plane 269 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: manufacturers in America, actually the largest in America because Airbus 270 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: is based in Europe. And the guy doesn't show up 271 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: for work eighteen out of twenty days. 272 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 6: That's unbelievable. 273 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: And he's an accountant, So what do you think of 274 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: account is going to focus on money as opposed to 275 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: the head of Airbus, who is an engineer. 276 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: What is he going to focus on that the planes 277 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: are built properly? 278 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're going to talk with ike at 279 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Jachi from ABC News. Only takes me three times, and 280 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: he's going to report on the Boeing CEO, David Calhoun 281 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: is his name, and he had to speak before lawmakers today. 282 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: See, let's see what came of that. 283 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am 284 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 5: six forty. 285 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: We're on the radio from one until four and then 286 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: after four o'clock we've become a podcast, John Cobelt's show 287 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: on demand. And I had said we were going to 288 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: talk to Ike Jachi from ABC News about the Boeing 289 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: CEO talking to lawmakers today in Washington, and we will, 290 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: but not until two thirty. So that note that schedule change. 291 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: So I will be on and we'll continue our discussion 292 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: on why the Delta planes are having so much trouble 293 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: just staying together. Door plug blew off a few weeks ago, 294 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: on one Saturday, a nose tire went flying off a 295 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: plane in Atlanta, right before it was going to take off. Now, 296 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: this morning I woke up and we told you yesterday, 297 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: We've been telling you for days. The La Times is 298 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: in free fall. It is truly imploding. And that's no hype. 299 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: Twenty five years ago or so, around the year two thousand, 300 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: the La Times had either the first or second largest 301 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: circulation in the country depending on the year. And they 302 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: had twelve hundred journalists in the newsroom, and that would 303 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: be writers and editors, photographers, twelve hundred of them. Now 304 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: estimates are maybe less than three hundred. And you know, 305 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: we could spend days going through how the La Times 306 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: destroyed itself. But what the top reason in recent years 307 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: is they went into hard, all woke, far leftist, progressive 308 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: coverage and the paper was just unrecognizable. They have a 309 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: lot of older readers, a lot of Jewish readers, especially 310 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: on the West Side, and they became, you know, in 311 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: the last recent months like a pro Hamas rag, to 312 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: the point where the executive editor had to take thirty 313 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: six journalists and I've never heard of this. He took 314 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: thirty six journalists and told them none of you were 315 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: allowed to report on the Israel Hamas war, none of 316 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you because they they had published an open letter siding 317 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: with Halas and they were against Israel, and as left 318 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: wing as the executive editor is, it's like no, no, no, 319 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: you can't do this. And the owner was upset with 320 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: the editor. Patrick soon Chong was upset, and the owner's daughter, 321 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: who's a far left progressive, she was upset, and so 322 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the executive editor, Kevin Maria, he bolted, said I'm out 323 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: of here. 324 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: I can't deal with this. Two other editors have left. 325 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifteen layoffs out of maybe four hundred 326 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: journalists left, and the ones right before the layoff, all 327 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: the alleged journalists went on strike, including the ones who 328 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: wrote their pro Hamas letter. They went on strike for 329 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: a day and soon she said, well the hell with it, 330 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: no negotiations go out. And what they were screaming about 331 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: when they went on strike was over diversity, because they 332 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't want seniority seniority to be used as one of 333 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: the methods to decide who stays or who go. And 334 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: that was in the union agreement. It would be a 335 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: seniority system. Whether that's a why system or not, that's 336 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: not the point. That's what everybody's signed up for. So 337 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: Daniel gust this morning in the La Times, and he's 338 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: been covering this really well, and what he did, let 339 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: me see if I get to find this thing that 340 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: I want to talk about here. What he did is 341 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: he looked on social media, because on social media you 342 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: have all these pompfoon journalists at the La Times who 343 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: are now are complaining that they got laid off. And 344 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: what has happened is that a lot of people online 345 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: are creating memes and firing back. 346 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. Larry Elder. 347 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: If you remember when he ran for governor, the LA 348 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Times described him as the black face of white supremacy, 349 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: and Jane Jan Guerrera also called Elder a white supremacist. 350 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: So Larry Elder went on Twitter and said, hey, well 351 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: actually he said, Yo, Jean Guerrera, who called me a 352 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: white supremacist, you've been canned by your broke La Times. 353 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Bet you're equally bigoted. But black colleague Erica D. Smith, 354 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: who called me the black face of white supremacy, still 355 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: has a job. She'd pull out the race card in 356 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: an LA minute. And it's true. I mean, they've even 357 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: reprinted the headline here, Larry Elder is the blackface of 358 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: white supremacy. You've been warned. Also, people online published a headline. 359 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: It was a story written by Michael Hiltzig, who's a 360 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: piece of work. The headline mocking anti vaxer's COVID deaths 361 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: is ghoulish but maybe necessary. That's what Hiltzeg was saying, 362 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: mocking anti vaxxer's COVID deaths is ghoulish but maybe necessary. 363 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: That's when people were going online and celebrating somebody who 364 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to take the vaccine but died of COVID. 365 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Remember that charming episode. So somebody did a satirical, satirical 366 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: meme on that and wrote, mocking La Times reporters being 367 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: fired is ghoulish, but maybe necessary. Mark Barabak, who's this 368 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: pompfoon political. 369 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: Writer for The Times. 370 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: He wrote, for those inclined to respond to folks who've 371 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: just been laid off from newspaper jobs, telling them to 372 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: learn to code is not only mean and heartless, but unoriginal, 373 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: not at all clever. Rather, look inside and ask how 374 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: you grew that black hole in your heart, How you 375 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: grew that black hole where your heart is supposed to be. 376 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: And the phrase learned to code was was an insult 377 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: that was hurled at blue collar workers, coal miners who 378 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: are losing their blue collar jobs, and all these progressives 379 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: with their Ivy League degrees. We're looking at people like 380 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: coal miners who were complaining about being put out of business, 381 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: saying well, why don't you learn to code? You know, 382 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: that's the new century. That's the future, knowing full well 383 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: that coal miners and factory workers can't learn to code. 384 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: So people have been firing back now at these LA 385 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Times writers saying, hey, learn to code. Of course, coding 386 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: jobs are going away because of AI. Mark Barraback had 387 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: written some time back about cops and firefighters because if 388 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: you remember, cops and firefighters forced to get a vaccine 389 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: or they would lose their jobs. And he wrote, if 390 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: I were in charge, it would be simple, get a 391 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: shot or fired. So he wanted he wanted LAPD cops 392 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: and LA Fire Department employees to be fired if they 393 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: didn't get the blessed vaccine. That was Mark Baraback, and 394 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: then he went online angry that people were taunting the 395 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: journalists who got fired. Kevin Dalton online wrote how have 396 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times endorsements improved your life? And he printed 397 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: four of them. Here are the headlines. Endorsement Karen Bass 398 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: for Los Angeles mayor endorsement. Governor Newsom has earned another 399 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: term leading California endorsement re elect George Gascons Los Angeles 400 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: County District Atorney endorsement Joe Biden isn't just anybody but 401 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: Trump he's the right fit for our polarized time. And 402 00:24:54,760 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: then there's an article by uh Matt Funicello headlined, oh 403 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: how the Mighty have fallen? The LA Times appears to 404 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: be in a state of imminent collapse, and he goes through, 405 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, the whole story of the LA Times, and 406 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: I just saw that headline. It's like wow. When I 407 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: got to Los Angeles and the Sunday LA Times weighs 408 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably about eight pounds, it was tough 409 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: to pick up of the newsstand and haul back home. 410 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: What he noticed was their digital traffic has collapsed year 411 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: over year. Digital traffic was down thirty eight percent in 412 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty three. I mean, that's astounding, and 413 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: they are now way behind most other big city newspapers online. 414 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: It's not that they didn't transition to online. They have 415 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: a product online and simply nobody's reading it anymore because 416 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: they narrowed their focus only to please progressives and. 417 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: They have. 418 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: They have lost a huge chunk of their audience and 419 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: that's never going to come back. I mean, I'm looking 420 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: at their their total digital audience, it's twenty one million. 421 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: Washington Post is fifty five million. New York Times is 422 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: seventy six million year to year change, They're down thirty percent. 423 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: Month to month change, They're down thirty eight percent. I 424 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: mean it is. It is a complete free fall. And 425 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: believe me, endorsing George Gascon to be district Attorney not 426 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: going to help. That's not what any normal person wants 427 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to hear. 428 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 5: More coming up, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand 429 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 5: from KFI AM six forty. 430 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: Have you heard about this mystery in Kansas City over 431 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: the five guys who were having a watch party for the. 432 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: Chiefs game a couple of weeks ago. 433 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: Yes, Now, a lot of guys have had their friends 434 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: come over to watch football games over the years. And 435 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: what happened here, the host Jordan willis they watched the 436 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: Chiefs on January seventh, and then, according to his story, 437 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: all the guys left four other guys. Three of the 438 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: four named David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, Clayton mcgreeney. So David, Ricky, 439 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: and Clayton left according to Jordan's original story, and then 440 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: Jordan claimed he was sleeping for the next two days, 441 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: never went outside and didn't know that his three friends 442 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: had all died in the backyard. All three of them 443 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: froze to death. Now they're relatively young, they're all in 444 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: their thirties. And finally, one of the guys had a 445 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: fiancee who called the police requesting a welfare check. This 446 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: is two days later. So the police show up at 447 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Willis's house and they find three dead, frozen bodies 448 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: in the backyard. 449 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, did no one try like banging on a window 450 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 7: or knocking on a door or breaking some glass to 451 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 7: get in? 452 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Like two days and no family members and no other 453 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: friends showed up. 454 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: This makes no sense. 455 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: None of this makes sense. Well, it turns out there 456 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: was a fifth friend who claims he was at the party, 457 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: that he came about seven o'clock and left at midnight. 458 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: He is not named, but he has an attorney named 459 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: Andrew Talgy, and Toggy's client said the other four guys 460 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: were up watching Jeopardy at midnight, that they were still 461 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: alive in the early hours of Monday morning. Now, Jordan 462 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Willis told police that he saw all four of his 463 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: friends out there the door, but Talky's clients said, no, no, 464 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: I left by myself and I left the other three 465 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: behind and they were all watching Jeopardy. Willis, the host said, 466 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I went to sleep on the couch and claimed that 467 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: he was sleeping for the next two days. Then he 468 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: somewhat changed his story and claimed that he was in 469 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: and out of his bedroom over the next two days. 470 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: Because I don't know how you could sleep for two days, 471 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: unless could all these guys have gotten drugged somehow? Yes, 472 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: because if one guy claimed he was mostly asleep for 473 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: two days and the other three froze to death in 474 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: the backyard, and nobody seems to know what went on. 475 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: They're waiting for autopsy reports, they're waiting for toxicology. The 476 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: police captain said the incident is one hundred percent not 477 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: being investigated as a homicide. 478 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: A lot of drugs and alcohol. I mean, you know 479 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: how those things go. John, You get together with your buddies. 480 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 7: I doesn't get loaded and fall asleep for two days. 481 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 6: I don't know what he does when he goes. He 482 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 6: has a group of friends that. 483 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: He This doesn't even happen at my football watch parties. 484 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 6: He has baseball friend parties. 485 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you have to drink to 486 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: fall asleep for two days. 487 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: I think I would, I think you would help. 488 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, apparently they were texting the guy, but and 489 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: they never got responses. Well, they were texting, and they 490 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: were texting the fifth guy, uh. 491 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: The unnamed guy, named guy. 492 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 7: That gives me some suspicion that this guy's still unnamed. Yeah, 493 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 7: and he has an attorney too, Yeah, why is he 494 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 7: Why is he lawyering up already? 495 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if he supplied the uh, the drugs 496 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: that knocked out all his buddies. But there, there's there's 497 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: something wrong with that, because you know, if you're feeling 498 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: really cold, you don't die right away, freeze to death 499 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: unless they all passed out from the drugs and the booze. 500 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: Then you freeze to death right because you passed out. 501 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: But if you're feeling cold and they're all in the backyard, 502 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: all of them only made it a few steps. 503 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, wait, he walked them all out, But how could 504 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 7: they just immediately pass out from the drugs if you 505 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 7: walk them all out, They were obviously capable enough to 506 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 7: walk out of the door. 507 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: Right, So why didn't they walk down the block to 508 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: their car? Why didn't they call somebody? I mean, if 509 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: you feel yourself shivering, it takes a while to freeze 510 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: to death. So you just take action so you don't 511 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: freeze to death any one of one hundred things you do. 512 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 513 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: This story has been going on several days, and every 514 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: day it gets weirder. There's no explanation, all right. Coming 515 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: up after two o'clock, we had Todd Bensman. 516 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: On just a few days ago. 517 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: He works, he's a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, 518 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: and he's a journalist at the border frequently, and he 519 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: says that the un is paying illegal aliens using US 520 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: taxpayer cash because people are wondering how how these illegal 521 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: aliens are surviving in the world. Well, it looks like 522 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: there's a little underground cash machine and the United Nations 523 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: is involved. Just another organization undermining our borders. We'll talk 524 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: to Todd Bensman. 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