WEBVTT - WTF is "Quiet" Quitting? 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.400 I'm Honey German. My parents are Dominican. I was born 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.800 and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:14.840 I'm a body positive addicate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, but I 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.560 was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.240 and a worker. Be this is life in Spanglish, Honey. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.440 We're going to dive right into this one because I 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.479 brought this topic up to you. I said, we got 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.840 to talk about this on Life in Spanglish and you 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.440 told me that this is like a whole TikTok trend. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.720 And you know me. I'm not on TikTok, so I 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.080 don't know. But we have to bring this to your 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.440 attention if you guys aren't aware about it, So, um, 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.239 are you ready to dive in? I am ready, Caroline. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.239 I don't watch plenty of tiktoks about this, so I 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.040 have different angles what we talk about today. Well, you know, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.560 I think a lot of people are feeling burnt out 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.320 by their job. I don't care where you're working. You 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.400 could be working and I You could be working as 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.720 a talent on the air like me. You could be 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.399 working in digital like honey. Anywhere you know, nurses, doctors, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:14.679 any specific career is feeling this because or I shouldn't 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.440 say any specific career, but I should say, like everybody 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.600 is really feeling the burn. And it sparked this movement 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.440 that a lot of people are talking about that you 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.520 may be familiar with or you may not be, and 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.360 this will be your introduction to it. But it's called 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.920 quiet quitting. And you know it's crazy, Carolina, because we 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.679 talked about the create the great resignation and people that 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.240 are actually just you know, leaving you know, their jobs 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.920 by the thousands. With happy quitting, it's more about some 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.280 people maybe not being unhappy at work and being burnt out, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.960 but leaving their job is not an option at all, 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:56.280 so they stay and they either do the bare minimum 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.160 or only what is asked of them. You know, that 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.680 whole going above and beyond is a trend that hum 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.320 died out, that whole hustle mentality like I'm gonna kill 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.520 myself with this job. People are not witted anymore. Yeah, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.400 Like the whole p Diddy like can't stop, won't stop, 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.200 that whole vibe has come to a screeching halt because 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.120 I think that you know, there are a number of 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.000 factors that I think are a part of the problem. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.600 So we had the pandemic, and I know we can't 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.120 keep going back to the pandemic and thinking like, Okay, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.760 we can't keep blaming. We got to move on with 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.000 our lives, right. But I think that the pandemic shifted 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.040 our perspective on the work life balance. So there were 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.720 a lot of people who realized that they could do 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.040 the very same job working from home, and that the 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.440 commute and all of the other things that they were 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.400 facing on a daily basis, the grind of it all 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.600 wasn't necessary. So you have that. I think that really 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.920 kind of opened people's eyes to like, wait a minute, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.760 am I really giving my whole life away to this job. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.000 I also think that maybe people saw how other countries 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.400 live and how they deal with work life balance, and 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.440 they figured we're doing something wrong here. We're not doing 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.839 the right thing by constantly being available for our employers, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.480 or constantly being the person that stays late or you know, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.280 mrs family functions because you have to work. I think 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.160 there are a lot of different factors that we need 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.639 to think about when it comes to quiet quitting. So 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.680 much like you said, honey, instead of outright saying I'm done. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.959 I've had this, I quit this bitch whatever however you 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.920 wanted to say it, instead of going out there and 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.680 looking for a new job. There are people who are 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.880 just basically saying, you know what, I'm not going to 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.080 go above and beyond. I'm not worried about my performance 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.960 review as much. I'm totally content. I don't need to raise. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.360 I'm fine with the way things are, and this is 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.840 how I'm going to live my life. I'm gonna do 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.680 what I need to do. Like you said, honey, the 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.560 bare minimum and that's that. And you know where I'm 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.440 seeing it a lot Carolina millennials and gen Z and 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.800 whoever comes after gen Z. If they're the workforce and 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.320 they not doing what their parents did, they are rejecting, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.520 you know, the whole live to work lifestyle that are 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.160 a lot of our parents had. And it's like, I 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.160 gotta make my balls happy, I gotta stay over time, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.920 I gotta come in early. These young people are not 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.160 doing this. They're like, this is what I get paid 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.560 to do. This is what I am going to do. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.240 I am not, you know, sacrificing my social life. I'm 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.800 not sacrificing my personal life. I'm not doing none of 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.160 that for a job. Well, yeah, honey, I think there's 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.480 this separation of profession with identity. You know, before I 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.000 think that everybody tied their identity to what their profession was. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.000 You know. Look, I have a very dear friend, you know, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:40.080 um she was working in radio. She was let go 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.920 a while ago, and we had a really long discussion, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.320 and I wanted her to know that I was there 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.720 for her, and and she confided in me and said, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.120 you know, one of the hardest things about losing this 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.560 job is that this defined who I was. I was 0:04:55.720 --> 0:05:00.520 always in radio. I was always associated with the medium, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.840 whether it was podcasting or having a show. And I 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.720 think that that's kind of what is a wake up 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.000 call to a lot of people. And when you hear 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.279 the phrase quiet quitting, the first thing that I thought, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.200 I'll be honest with you want to heard quiet quitting. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.480 I'm like, land, you know what, Like, that's not right. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:20.120 These people are lazy. It has nothing to do with lazyness. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.560 After I started really researching it and learning more about it, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.960 and some people they want the name change. They're like, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.240 you know, it's a great message. It's going viral. People 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.080 are talking about it all over TikTok, But that whole 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.440 quiet quitting has kind of like a negative connotation, even 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.920 though I have seen people check out of work, But 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.080 I don't know if it's with the expectation of getting 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.240 bired and just collecting unemployment or just saying I no 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.440 longer what to want this job, but I don't have 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.159 the bulls to quit, so I'm just gonna like hang 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.720 out now work, see what happens, keep collecting a free check. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.400 I see it. I don't think that's quiet quitting per 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.640 se as far as like the definition that you see 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:05.599 an articles, but quiet quitting is happening in both spectrums. Well, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.960 I think that also we're glossing over the fact that 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.400 this affects other people. When you're quiet quitting, somebody has 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.480 to show up, right, so your boss. If your boss 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.599 can't get to you, And we were touching on it 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.080 about the hustle culture. Basically this is all about setting 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.159 boundaries and saying, no, my dude, I'm working from nine 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.159 to five. You cannot email me at six o'clock and 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.120 asked me to hop on a call. This is where 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.800 people are really drawing the line, right. But then if 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.680 you're not available and you're quiet quitting and you're not 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.880 taking calls at five pm, somebody else on your team 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.240 or somebody else that works in your division, is going 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.000 to have to pick up that slack. So I think 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.080 that's where a lot of the resentment comes in. Yeah, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.280 if it's a group effort, and let's say it's ten 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.200 of us, and we both and all ten of us decide, okay, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.560 we are going to simultaneously quiet quit at five you know, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.280 f our boss, f his boss, this is what we're 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.240 getting paid for. Then it all works out. But then 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:03.960 if you have a group of people that are like, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.520 I am doing only what I am getting paid to do, 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.360 But then you have another group of people that are 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.360 over here trying to get raises, trying to get promotions, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.040 showing up early, staying late, then they end up picking 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:16.880 the brunt of the other work. So it's just like, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.560 even though it's good for mental health for those who 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.520 opt to quiet quit, then it burns out everybody else 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.600 who's trying to pick up the slack and it's trying 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.280 to still be a team flair for the company. Because 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:37.080 I think sometimes quiet quitting comes from resentment and hatred 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.880 towards either your boss, your company, lack of opportunity, lack 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.440 of raises. You know, I feel like you no longer 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:48.440 see your position or your role with this company as valuable, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.800 and you're no longer going to go above and beyond. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.040 And you know, kudos to you if you have the 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.480 balls to be like, nah, boss, it's five oh one. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.960 I only get paid till five. Please get off my phone. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.679 Own like yo, you gotta be built the right way, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.200 and you really gotta have the cohna is to be 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:11.920 like nojolda Nader. Not everybody's built like that, especially us 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.640 the culture we come from Carolina, like hef Amanda, you could. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:22.000 But you know, like we saw our parents. I saw 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.320 my mom work at factories, twelve hours ships, you know, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.080 as a fore woman, like she killed herself. She never 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.440 wanted to upset her bosses because she couldn't afford to 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.400 lose these jobs. But you know, gen Z millennials, people 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.080 that are still at home with mom and dad, they 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.160 don't have mortgages, they might not have all the bills 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.199 that maybe a forty or fifty year old has. They 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.840 have this luxury and they are leading the way on 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.680 quiet quitting. I think their responsibilities give them that freedom, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.560 and I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely think 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.000 that this comes from the top down. I think there 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.440 is a disappointment in leadership that leads to quiet quitting 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.720 and not where it's like okay, right. I feel like 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.280 that might be the linchpin here for this whole movement, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.640 because if you feel like you're getting recognized by your boss, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.040 if you feel like your boss is constantly, like you know, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.440 giving you that positive affirmation or saying, wow, I really 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.199 appreciate you going above and beyond thing, you're going to 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.800 do more. But if you never get that and you're thinking, well, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.880 they're intruding on my personal time, they're never giving me 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.960 the time off that I asked for. You know, there's 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.400 a number of things that factor into the quiet quitting, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.880 but I definitely think that it's more the resentment toward 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:41.000 management that makes people move more toward it than anything. Um. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.439 You know. One of the things that I was going 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.480 to touch on two was like the work life balance. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.439 Everybody talks about work life balance. I don't think the 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:52.720 work life balance really exists when you constantly have a 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.160 way for people to get in touch with you. I 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.960 think that's just two in the world that we live in. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.160 Because before, let's say you were a teacher. Okay, you're 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.320 a teacher, you show up at school at seven thirty, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.440 let's say eight o'clock. I don't know. I'm not a teacher, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.520 so I'm making this up. Let's say you show up, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.600 you know, seven thirty, you're done. After the kids leave, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.040 let's say around three thirty. Okay, Back in the nine 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.959 eighties or the nineties, you would go home, you would 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.120 take care of your family, you would watch the news, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.959 you'd watch your favorite show, you go to bed, and 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:33.200 you go back into work. Now the accessibility has just 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.400 it's given everybody the opportunity to get to you. So 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.920 now if a teacher goes home at three thirty, something 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.520 happens and their boss, the principle calls them. If they 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.640 don't answer an email, where were you? Why didn't you 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:55.440 answer me? Everything is pressing. Now, it seems it's very pressing, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.480 and people just have this sense of entitlement that you 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:05.320 should be available to them twenty four hours a day, weekends, nights, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.439 just because you work for the company that they also 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.200 work for. That doesn't work that way. You don't you 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.280 don't have a contract to be available twenty four hours 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.040 a day, and I feel like post pandemic, this became 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.600 just a problem, Carolina, where people no longer have boundaries, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.439 and bosses are like, yeah, well you're in your house. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.439 It's seven o'clock at night, but your home, Like, I 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.559 don't know. It's it's a huge problem now, and I 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.800 feel like people are heavily rejecting it. I know people 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.280 that if you hit them, let's say on a Saturday, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.680 they will say, I'm not near a computer. I don't 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.600 know what to tell you. I cannot do that right now. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.120 And you know what, Carolina, I love them for it 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.200 because it shows like, come on, guys, you can't expect 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.520 me a Saturday at three o'clock to be near a computer. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.160 Guess what. I'm in the park with my family. And 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.280 those people are the ones that are which is just 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.040 as important it is. It's it's super important. Your mental 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.360 health is super important. You don't want to live with 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.240 that anxiety of like, oh my god, I always to check. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.360 I gotta check my email every three minutes. It's nine 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.160 o'clock at night. Let me check one last time before 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:05.960 I go to bed. It's six am. Let me make 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.800 sure nothing happened overnight. It's just like that burnout that 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.840 I think that that burnout and constantly feeling like feeling 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.559 like you have to be on the clock is what 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.280 forcing people to put their foot down and be like, Nah, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.800 five o'clock, I am closing my computer and I'm quitting 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.800 for the day, and I'll see people again tomorrow. And 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.880 there's nothing wrong with that, because you're just putting your 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.640 foot down if what you're doing is not affecting your 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.160 teammates and it is not affecting others that are not 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.040 your boss. Because it's like, it's super unfair. That's like 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.080 me not doing my work, and then someone who's equivalent 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.240 to me, my peer, I am putting them in a 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.240 predicament with now they have to stay late and do 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.400 their work because I decided I wanted to quit early. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.480 That's the problem. I've only recently had the nerve to 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.080 tell people, no, I'm not available. You know, in our industry, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.680 there's always something, there's always a deal coming through, there's 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.520 always an interview that is coming through last minute. So 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.760 and so's in town. Can you do this? Can you 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.719 do that? Um? I remember a couple of months ago, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.479 there was an artist that could only do an interview 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.200 at five pm on a Friday because they were in 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.160 l A. And I, I'm up at four in the morning, guys, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.440 you know what I mean. So I I was like 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.800 really thinking about it, and I said, but you know what, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.160 we need to keep those label relations going. There's a 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.920 lot of things behind the scenes that people really don't 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:29.200 know about. And so I sacrificed. At five pm, I 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.680 said to my kids, here's the iPad. Mommy needs to 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.360 go downstairs for thirty minutes. Okay, not listen. I'm taking 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.560 a chance because you know what it's like when you 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.480 have your siblings, or when you have your brothers or 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.520 two sisters and Mom's not in the room. One of 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.160 them pokes the other one. Then it becomes a fight. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.400 Then this or that happened. So you're really taking a chance, right, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.480 So I ended up doing the interview. I came back 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.400 upstairs and it was complete mayhem. My kids had gotten 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.200 in a tussle. I was just gonna say, what did 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.520 you find that they on the wall? Oh no, no, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.480 they were fighting. He did this, he changed the channel. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.720 It was just total chaos. And I said to myself 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.839 at that point, you can't Carolina, how old are they now? 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.840 They can't care for themselves. No, they're six and eight. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.400 But in my mind they're little. And that's why I 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.720 say to people like, yeah, you know, you can leave 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.960 in eleven year old or a thirteen year old alone 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.800 and say, hey, watch TV or get on your phone 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.640 or do TikTok or whatever. I mean. These are still 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.800 little guys, you know, I guess yeah. And so I 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.200 came upstairs and I had to referee the fight, and 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.400 they both got in trouble, and I thought to myself, like, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.400 why why did I do this? Why did I compromise 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.280 what in my gut I knew I shouldn't be doing. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.720 But I did it anyway because I wanted to look 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.080 good for this label so that they could get their 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.520 artists interview on the air. So from that point on, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.160 I said, no way. My day starts five hours earlier 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.560 than most people. Most people start at nine am. Let's 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:06.640 say eight nine am. I am done by noon. You 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.400 hit me up afternoon, I will get to you the 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.560 next day. So much so that um, you know, just 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.360 last week I had somebody reach out to me and 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.320 it was on a Friday. Hey, any chance, you can 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.000 hop on a call at three o'clock. I said, no, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.880 I cannot. We can tackle this on Monday. Do you 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.120 have time at ten thirty after my show is done. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.160 So I think that there's a way to finesse it, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.080 and there's a way to let people know that you 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.280 have your boundaries without outright saying hey, I'm not willing 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.560 to do this. You know who has a big problem 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:37.280 with that, people pleasers, And I've been guilty of being 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.440 a people pleaser for years, Carolyne. I hate I hate 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.720 saying no. I don't want people to be mad at me. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.040 I feel like people are going to be resentfuled if 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.840 I say I can't do something. I feel like people 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.120 are not gonna look for me to work on different 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.960 projects if I say no one time. And I've taken 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.960 control of that, and you know, things that I used 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.680 to participate in, let's say, week after week that I 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.320 really didn't want to do. Now I'm like, okay, maybe 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.200 every other week I'll say no. Maybe every three weeks 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:04.880 i'll say yes, you know. And I'm kind of like 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.280 trying to balance that out because it also leads to 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.640 burnout when it comes to work, and burnout is not 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.880 just difficult for the employee, but it's also costly for 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.000 the employers because people with with burnout, you know, they 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.200 end up taking time off, they worked the least amount 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.240 as possible, or a not at full capacity because they're tired, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.960 they're burnt out, and they're now they were sent they're like, yo, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.840 these people are working me to the core. Fuck them. Well, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.360 you know what, honey, I was going to ask you, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.920 because you work in a space that never stopped. When 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.800 when I think of digital, I think of all of 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.400 the things that you have coming at you, all of 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.440 the stimuli, everything that is happening throughout the day, whether 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:53.960 it is breaking news in the world news or entertainment news, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.760 or whether it's a big announcement that the station is 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.280 going to be running. So I have been curious as 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.560 to how you find a way to manage that because 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.000 I feel like I'm just constantly seeing, like your posts, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.720 what you do, You're grind and I don't know how 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.720 anybody in digital can do that. Like my day starts 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.320 at like six am with the breakfast club, right Everything 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.720 breakfast Club or later has to be rolled out, you know, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.199 and then I'm on pretty much old day. Like if 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.520 if something for Clue comes up, like let's say for today, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.760 I've already shared content for Clue. We've already shared content 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.240 for Angie. We were rolled out a breakfast club interview. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.080 That's on TikTok, that's on Twitter, that's on Facebook. It 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.879 is over stimulating and it can get I guess you 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.000 can get burnt out. I like to take breaks. I 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.800 like to, you know, say, okay, for five minutes, I'm 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.920 gonna just unwind. I'm not gonna look at Instagram. I'm 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.439 not gonna look at anything. Maybe I'll just look at 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:54.120 emails calmly and softly. Because early I can go ten 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.080 hours straight and still not be done with what has 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.960 to be done for the day. Because digital is NonStop, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.639 it's ever evolving every day. Oh this changed on Facebook. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.240 Oh this, So you constantly have to be retraining and relearning. So, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.600 you know, shout out to anybody who works in digital 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:17.560 or social media. We are super unappreciated, not as visible 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:23.000 as we should be. But the work is crucial, it's important, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.359 and it's become more important than a lot of other things. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.399 At this point. Well, I think that you have a 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.439 really great point there, and I think that it's something 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.800 that people wouldn't understand because they're not in the industry 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.760 and so they don't see what you do. But the 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.199 number or I guess I would say the impact that 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.679 your work has on the success of the stations is 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.240 something that a lot of people can't evengauge, you know, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.320 from the outside in Rather, people aren't seeing everything that 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.600 you do. But something that I thought about is that, like, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.679 whenever I want to relax, I pick up my phone 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.240 and I start scrolling. So how do you find time 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.520 to relax because you've been literally scrolling all day? So 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.720 is that where you're like, oh, this thing is going away? Yeah? No, Ma, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.600 you know what I mean, Like, I am just going 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.239 to like focus on me, Nah, Carolyn, Like I have 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.200 to like put the phone down. Let's say, if I'm 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.320 done for the day. Let's say, like I try to 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.199 check out, like I try to do like seven to 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.960 three or six to four, you know, one of one 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.520 of those two or six. But at one point I 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.760 pick an hour and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna close 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.040 the phone and I lock it and and I'm like, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.240 if it's urgent, one of my bosses will either call 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.320 me or text me. But I have to physically check out. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.840 And then I also set up a schedule on teams, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.720 you know, I give them a full eight hours a day, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.399 and then after that, my team goes away. Like okay, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.680 now I am away. If anything is urgent, someone will 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.760 reach out to me. I will check my emails. But 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.440 I'm not actively in front of a computer at our 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.640 nine hour, ten hour, eleven hour, twelve. I cannot do 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.600 that to myself. Like just that's where you take a 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.800 place like once. I feel like, listen, I have been 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.480 working my ass off for eight four hours. My eyes 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.480 have been open since six am, you know, about two three. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:10.960 If anybody tells me where were you, I'll be like, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.600 you know where I was at six am? I was working? 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.359 Where were you? Okay, then give me a break. It 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.959 is two pm, it is three pm. I've already been 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.119 working eight nine hours. I deserve to take a break. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:23.840 I deserve to go to the gym. I deserve to 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.680 take a walk at a park. I deserve to cook 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.159 with my family. And I just you know, it doesn't 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.399 happen often. I just make sure i'm either I put away, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.360 well it should, it should? You know, every day is different, honey, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:37.639 and I want mean to cut you off, but you 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.680 just mentioned something that a lot of people I think 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.280 is obsolete, and that is taking an hour lunch break. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.560 I had too many friends. I have too many friends 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.120 who tell me what an hour lunch break because obviously, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.840