WEBVTT - Anarchism in Egypt Part 1 Ft. Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomes it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Andrew of the future channal Andrewism, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here with O.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait without the Q. Oh no, yeah, it's ties me

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<v Speaker 3>me along. I'm also here at apparently missing Ques instantly.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It is barbarically early for me, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, bobarically What time is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten o'clock?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, come on, come on, come on, come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, it would have been fine if it wasn't up

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<v Speaker 3>till three am last night dealing with a session of

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<v Speaker 3>minor crises.

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<v Speaker 1>Down that's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise, if it wasn't a crisis, I would have like

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<v Speaker 2>flexed my early bood supremacy. But you know, I have

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<v Speaker 2>enough since like seven sixthy I'd say something that job.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, But I just didn't want to do a ling

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<v Speaker 1>with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, So today I wanted to shed light on

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<v Speaker 2>some really interesting history. I think of the anarchist movement

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<v Speaker 2>in Egypt. I've readen this book called Anarchism and Syndicalism

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<v Speaker 2>in the Colonial and Post Colonial World, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>sexual by a guy named Anthony Gorman that I found

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<v Speaker 2>really interested in. I just had to share it's really

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<v Speaker 2>specific to the anarchist Egyptian anarchist history of like the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteenth and early twentieth century, And honestide, I find

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<v Speaker 2>that whole period to be very interesting, partially because I

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<v Speaker 2>am a dreaded paradox Games fan and I enjoy my

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<v Speaker 2>little you know, like you three mil you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>that that period in history. Honestly, any period of history

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<v Speaker 2>prior to World War Two I find interesting. Everything World

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<v Speaker 2>War two is just like a complete to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>then everything passed World War two is like cool, but

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<v Speaker 2>it seemed like the World War II period itself not

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<v Speaker 2>my thing, you know, like telling me about the Phoenicians,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Phrygians, talking about the Carthaginians, But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really care about the axis and which tank was

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<v Speaker 2>the superior tank and all those different things, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these could and qute history buffs into not

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<v Speaker 2>to a personal one cereal of course, whatever you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Floats your boat.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, I really like that pre WI War

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<v Speaker 2>TI sort of stuff. And Victorian erarors one particularly interesting

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<v Speaker 2>point in history, and a lot of things will happen

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<v Speaker 2>in that time. Industrial revolution was shaken up around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>Colonization was going on and the effects of that, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reverberate for centuries to come and the true

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<v Speaker 2>successor to the Roman Empire. In my opinion, the Ottoman

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<v Speaker 2>Empire was kind of going through a series of crises,

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<v Speaker 2>and Egypt, which was under the Ottoman Empire and then

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<v Speaker 2>brooke free of the Ottoe Empire, had its own stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to get too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Into that whole mess, but I want to give some

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<v Speaker 2>context because you know, this isn't this is a history episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be a two part history episode in fact.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just start back in the late nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's this foreign work in community in Egypt thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to Muhammad Ali no relation, and he was the ruler

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<v Speaker 2>of Egypt from eighteen oh five to eighteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy is all about modernizing stuff like the military, state, administration,

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<v Speaker 2>and the economy. So he invited skilled folks to come

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<v Speaker 2>to Egypt and lend their labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, isn't he the guy that Napoleon fought for a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so? I think so. I mean, who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Napoleon fight?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if he could have, Napoleon would have fought

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<v Speaker 2>like the dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 3>Napoleon fighting Cavement on the moon, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking of Napoleon.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't appreciate how I mean no disrespect to

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<v Speaker 2>hawqu In Phoenix, But was Napoleon like in his twenties

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<v Speaker 2>when he rose up the ranks military and all that. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I could be mistaken. I could be confused in him

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<v Speaker 2>with the other Napoleon. But I'm pretty sure Napoleon was

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<v Speaker 2>not the old man when he was making a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Moves he was making. Let's see again, I could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrong, Well, he was, he was more in seventeen seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty nine. I'm leaving I'm leaving the maths of this

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<v Speaker 3>as an exercise for the reader.

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<v Speaker 1>What really through his new office.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's like multiple Napoleons, and so I mix up

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<v Speaker 2>the histories of the different Napoleons. Reasonable, But if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that Napoleon, I know for sure one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Napoleon in question was like relatively young when he was

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<v Speaker 2>making some of his moves, like in his early to

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<v Speaker 2>mid twenties, when he's rising up the ranks kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could be entirely mistaken, and I'm sure somebody

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<v Speaker 2>will correct me, none of this is relevant to what

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is ever. But yeah, so Muhammad Ali again

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<v Speaker 2>no relation. His successors, Sayid and Ismail, took things to

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<v Speaker 2>the next level after he passed on with some major

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure projects. They were building railways, they were expanding canals,

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<v Speaker 2>they were going wildly urban development, and they need a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of skilled workers for.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that, so they brought.

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<v Speaker 2>In Italians, Greeks, Syrians, Dalmatians, and of course they used

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<v Speaker 2>their local Egyptian laborers as well. Many of those workers

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<v Speaker 2>came to work on the famous Suez Canal, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and that required.

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<v Speaker 1>A massive workforce, many of whom died.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeahing like like canal digging.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if female high immortality read professional.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like you might as well dig your own

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<v Speaker 3>grave too, like like dig it before you start, so

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<v Speaker 3>they can bury your body halfway through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's like not gallows humor. It's like canal humor.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like this canal, we're going to die

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<v Speaker 2>here anyway. It's kind of similar thing I could in

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<v Speaker 2>the Panama Canal, although in that case they brought in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Beesian and other Caribbean workers to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know set that up, and actually the Panama Canal

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<v Speaker 2>is responsible for, like what's responsible for I think a

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<v Speaker 2>third of the Beigian economy at one point because the

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<v Speaker 2>remittances they were being sent back to their families at home.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a whole different chapter in history. But yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>This this massive and diverse workforce is bringing, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>not just their labor, but ideas, because whenever you get

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<v Speaker 2>people together, they start talking. Egypt was already considered some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a place of refuge for political exiles, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not very surprising that anarchism was starting to gain

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<v Speaker 2>popularity around that time, particularly with the Italians in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing in this period is like you can

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<v Speaker 3>literally track the spread of anarchism, like by where there

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<v Speaker 3>are a bunch of Italians. Happens in Argentina too. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like anywhere there are Italians, anarchy spreads.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's a me anarchism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's gonna set somebody off. My apology

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<v Speaker 2>is to the Italian Communitee. I shouldn't have said that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look they had they hadn't invented fascism yet. This

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<v Speaker 3>is back when the Italians were still cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm probably gonna get a letter hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's nothing else what's attached to it. Italians

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<v Speaker 2>already had a history with the anarchist movement, as we know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some people would of course familiar with folks

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<v Speaker 2>like Erica Manchester, so there's no surprises there. Label and

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<v Speaker 2>political radicalism court sparks first in the Italian Worker Society

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<v Speaker 2>or Society Operao Italiana in eighteen sixty, which was formed

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<v Speaker 2>to look out for the interests of its members, and

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the mid eighteen seventies, you had these

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<v Speaker 2>veterans from Gary Baldi's campaigns, and by the way, Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Baldi is one of the figures responsible for the Italian unification.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you also had other radicals forming Thought and Action,

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<v Speaker 2>a political association with Massinian principles. Messini, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Giuseppe Muscinni was an Italian republican who advocated for liberty

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<v Speaker 2>and democracy and class collaboration.

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<v Speaker 1>And all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz Marx once called him an everlastin old ass which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Just really funny, and I had to include that there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just I've made for real anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And then an eating seventy six more radical splinter group

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<v Speaker 2>became an official section of the First Internationale in Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the earliest attempts to create a

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<v Speaker 2>worldwide association of workers and socialist groups. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it could happen, he has ever discussed, like the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the International it's before but it gets messy,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, it's yeah, it gets messy, It gets katti,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets like we gotta spill that tea at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's fucking wild, like, especially especially once you get

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<v Speaker 3>into like the seventeen different Fourth Internationals, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>a time, like the Second International is such a disaster

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<v Speaker 3>that Hosni Mubarik is part of it when he gets

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<v Speaker 3>overthrown like it's a it's a good time, and by

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<v Speaker 3>a good time, I mean an incredibly bad time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I just have to throw my head back and

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<v Speaker 2>laugh quite hotily when I hear folks talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why can't the left unite? You know, like where's the

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<v Speaker 2>leftist unity? Why can't we just come to like nah,

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<v Speaker 2>this has been taking place since nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>My absolute favorite version of this is people being people

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<v Speaker 3>taught people being like, Ah, Marx, Marx wouldn't want there

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<v Speaker 3>to have been so much discord on the left. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>have you ever read any Marx like that? That is

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<v Speaker 3>a man who's writing is about sixty percent yelling at

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<v Speaker 3>someone whose ideas he's also stolen, like by volume. Like

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<v Speaker 3>one of his most famous, like one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that you get decided to read from Marx in college

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<v Speaker 3>is the German Ideology, which is like four hundred pages

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<v Speaker 3>of him being annoyed by people whose ideas are slightly

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<v Speaker 3>different than his. It's like like, this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>this is an ancient tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>The irony of Marx calling somebody else in Avlastian old

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<v Speaker 2>ass will not be lost on me.

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<v Speaker 1>And quite frankly, this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Of oh Max wouldn't want this, Max wouldn't that that

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<v Speaker 2>really comes from that sort of messiahification of Marx.

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<v Speaker 1>I just coined that to him. You know, I could

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<v Speaker 1>send me my flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>In the male because essentially what people are doing is

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<v Speaker 2>treating Max and max ideas and Marxism. It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity two point zero. And it's kind of like how

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people would have been saying like, oh, Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want all this division in the church, except he

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<v Speaker 2>just replacing Jesus Marx and the chewch.

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<v Speaker 1>With the left. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Marx has his famous line where he goes like

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<v Speaker 3>if he's just wanting to like the first like French Marxists,

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<v Speaker 3>and he goes, if this is Marxism, then I am

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<v Speaker 3>not a Marxist. Oh yeah, And then everyone proceeded to

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<v Speaker 3>ignore him but call themselves Marxists like, well, this is

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<v Speaker 3>great things have gone, this is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean even in their lifetimes, all of these

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<v Speaker 2>figures that we respect, now they didn't really like the admirers,

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<v Speaker 2>like Mala Testa was quite embarrassed that he had fans.

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<v Speaker 3>I yeah, no, it to be clear, to be clear

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<v Speaker 3>that is that is the appropriate we actually having fans

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<v Speaker 3>is a terrifying thing, right, flee and terror.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to Alexandria, right where the First International's first official section,

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<v Speaker 2>one of its sections came about, and it was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the earliest attempts to create a world wide association

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<v Speaker 2>of workers and socialist groups and expanded and it formed

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<v Speaker 2>sections in Cairo and in Port Said and in Ismailia

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<v Speaker 2>or Ismailia, Ismailia, and they even had the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>spreading socialist propaganda and different languages like Italian and Greek

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<v Speaker 2>and Turkish and Arabic to reach more folks in the

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote East. They want to take the ideas of

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<v Speaker 2>the First International beyond chest European communities, you know, try

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<v Speaker 2>and reach out to the locals. Unfortunate leave for those

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<v Speaker 2>familiar the history with his International, it fizzled out, So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they couldn't really fully execute their plans, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they got to get them credit for trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a difference beyond their own little circles. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Egypt was in the midst of a deep political crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>The military was pissed because of the disastrous Egypt to

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<v Speaker 2>European War. The upper ranks the civil service, the army,

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<v Speaker 2>in the business world had become dominated by Europeans, who

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<v Speaker 2>were paid much more than native Egyptians. The country's inability

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<v Speaker 2>to service its debt from cost infrastructure projects and lavish

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<v Speaker 2>spending bymayel It's rule at the time led to European

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<v Speaker 2>control over its treasury. In eighteen seventy six, another European

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<v Speaker 2>treasure pressure Ismayel was to pose in eighteen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 2>replace his son Telfik, who aimed to basically satisfy each

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<v Speaker 2>of its creditors by any means necessary. And so this

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<v Speaker 2>tumultuous political climate provided both challenges and opportunities for the

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<v Speaker 2>anarchists in Egypt. A revolt led by an Egyptian officer

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<v Speaker 2>of the Egyptian Army, Ahmed Urabi, sorta deposed Telfik, established

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<v Speaker 2>a constitutional government and the British and French influence over

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<v Speaker 2>the country. Although he was characterized as anti foreign, Urrabi

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<v Speaker 2>received support from some foreign elements, including the very same

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<v Speaker 2>Italian workers in Alexandria and a lot of the anarchists

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<v Speaker 2>in the area. Now, as we know, anarchists are not

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<v Speaker 2>really advocates of nationalism, though they will fight for national

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<v Speaker 2>liberation causes. So anarchists and nationalists fall themselves on the

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<v Speaker 2>same side when it came into fighting against European imperialism

0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.800
<v Speaker 2>in Egypt. So when the British were causing trouble, anarchists

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<v Speaker 2>like Malchester teamed up with nationalists led by Urabi to

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<v Speaker 2>resist foreign domination. However, the British and French governments, who

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<v Speaker 2>were intent on protecting their investments and nationals confronted Urabi,

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<v Speaker 2>which resulted in British forces bombard in Alexandria and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>occupying the country in eighteen eighty two. Throughout the early

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<v Speaker 2>years of British occupation, the anarchist movement in Egypt faced

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<v Speaker 2>both internal divisions and factionalism. Both internal divisions and factionalism

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<v Speaker 2>similar to what was happening in other parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Anarchists and socialists had been uneasy comrades under the umbrella

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<v Speaker 2>of the International during the eighteen seventies, but the defection

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<v Speaker 2>of a particularly locally influential figure named Andrea Costa from

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<v Speaker 2>Libertarian Socialism from Libertarian Socialism in eighteen seventy nine caused

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<v Speaker 2>a significant schism within the local movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me reread that so.

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<v Speaker 2>Anarchists and socialists had been uneasy comrades under the umbrella

0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of the International during the eighteen seventies, but the defection

0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of one particularly locally influential figure named Andrea Acosta from

0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the school of Libertarian Socialism in eighteen seventy nine caused

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<v Speaker 2>a significant schism within the local movement, and the movement

0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.440
<v Speaker 2>also suffered other interel divisions, particularly with the enduring conflict

0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.760
<v Speaker 2>between anti organizationalists and anarcho syndicalists on the role of

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<v Speaker 2>collective association in achieving anarchist aims quote. Until the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineteenth century, the former trend appears to have

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<v Speaker 2>been in the ascendency, but the growth of the labor

0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:26.000
<v Speaker 2>movement anarcho synicalists expanded their influence. Other disputes reflected the

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<v Speaker 2>power of personalities. Ugo Parini, a key figure staunch anti organizationalist,

0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 2>was notorious for his uncompromising style and was a persistent

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<v Speaker 2>obstacle to create a cooperation among anarchists. Not until after

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<v Speaker 2>his death in nineteen oh six was a national program

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<v Speaker 2>of action agreed, which provided a solid basis for collaboration

0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:51.200
<v Speaker 2>within the Egyptian movement. Now, I didn't find any writings

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<v Speaker 2>by Ugo Purini himself to speak his piece, but it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like he might have been a everlastin Olassim seal.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know, after the movement he died, they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to finally come together and come to agreement on something.

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<v Speaker 2>That means bro is like a significant obstacle to the

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<v Speaker 2>organizational efforts. But you know, he fought with his principles

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<v Speaker 2>and he died by them, so you know, some respect there. So,

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<v Speaker 2>until the end of nineteenth century, the anti organizationalists seem

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<v Speaker 2>to have had the upper hand, but with the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of the labor movements, anarchist syndicalists gained a lot more influence.

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<v Speaker 2>Tut tut, leftist disunity strikes again. The real downside of

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<v Speaker 2>this history is that the anarchist movement was still quite

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<v Speaker 2>European and quite male, and the right and nationalists movements

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<v Speaker 2>will not exactly helping matters. However, while the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>anarchists women, there was a women's section established in Cairoage

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen seventies, so there was some female participation

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<v Speaker 2>happening as well. You know, it's the real, real Barby

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<v Speaker 2>moment there, you know, real win for feminism.

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<v Speaker 1>The ethnic diversity.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the anarchist movement in Egypt did expand over time, though,

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<v Speaker 2>although Italians remained the dominant group until World War One,

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<v Speaker 2>they one attracted Greeks, Jews, Germans, and various Eastern European nationalities.

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<v Speaker 2>Arabi phone Egyptians also began to play a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>significant role, as seen in the involvement in industrial actions,

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<v Speaker 2>educational activities, and anarchist meetings during the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>and the occupational backgrounds of these anarchists were just as

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<v Speaker 2>diverse as the ethnicities. Skilled artisans, including carpenters, masons, tailors,

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.639
<v Speaker 2>and painters were among the majority. Some came from the

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 2>petit bourgeoisie like crousers and tavernonas, while others were involved

0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>in trade or worked for merchant hoses and the movement

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.680
<v Speaker 2>also include professionals like doctors, lawyers, and journalists. By the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteenth century, the anarchistic community started to shift its

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<v Speaker 2>focus toward the new working class, such as cigarette workers, printers,

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and employees of large utilities like tramway companies. However, despite

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<v Speaker 2>this diversity, and despite all the calls for internationalism, local

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<v Speaker 2>nationalist associations still held a lot of power because they

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<v Speaker 2>provided their communities with welfare services and social events and

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<v Speaker 2>all that. It's kind of like how immigrants in new

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<v Speaker 2>countries even today will typically like group together in enclaves

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<v Speaker 2>and communities to share their culture and to share their

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<v Speaker 2>support economic and otherwise. When in a situation where ef

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<v Speaker 2>we'e around you is perceived as foreign and you're seeking

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<v Speaker 2>some measure of security and safe, you know it's culture prociliation.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a thing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Immigrants tend to do, and these workers were immigrants to Egypt,

0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and so they kind of did the same thing. Unfortunately,

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.679
<v Speaker 2>many of these national associations were controlled by bourgeois interests

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 2>in the Greek community. For example, the powers of the

0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 2>bourgeois o higarchy in funding and controlling community institutions really

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<v Speaker 2>worked to keep workers in line with what the authorities wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you stepped out of line from what this

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<v Speaker 2>oligarchy wanted, you know, you kind of like lose access

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<v Speaker 2>to those essential community institutions. And if you try, if

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<v Speaker 2>you still have like a family to take care of,

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<v Speaker 2>a family that you might have brought to Egypt or

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<v Speaker 2>started in Egypt, or really just struggling against meat, or

0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, your fish out of water and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know any other languages, you just know your own people.

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<v Speaker 2>To be isolated like that is really hazard a situation

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<v Speaker 2>to be in. And so that's how they kept people

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<v Speaker 2>in line. But that's in terms of the European nationalists.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also some rise in Egyptian nationalism. They also had

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<v Speaker 2>some sway originally Egyptian nationalists called signs of militant labor

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<v Speaker 2>as part of a European disease an alien Egyptian context, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I've noticed a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wing organizations and movements.

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<v Speaker 2>Tend to apply that pseudo anti imperial label to things,

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<v Speaker 2>so you would see it with for example, some right

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<v Speaker 2>wing African nationalist groups would describe the presence of homosexuality

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<v Speaker 2>in the country as a consequence of European imperialism. European

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<v Speaker 2>cludism is completely foreign to any kind of African context

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<v Speaker 2>of history or whatever, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is entirely false. But they do use that sort of like.

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<v Speaker 2>False anti imperialism to build their power base and build

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<v Speaker 2>up their reactionary base, so it's a partner. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>observe a lot of these right way movements, and particularly

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 2>global South right way movements. Interestingly, though, the Egyptian nationalists

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:19.240
<v Speaker 2>who were called in militant labor European disease, their opinions

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 2>turned around kind of quick when they saw how potent

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it was for exercise and power. In nineteen oh nine,

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<v Speaker 2>the Watani Party openly backed the formation of the Manual

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Trades Workers Union, which was a diverse body of Egyptian

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 2>urban workers, because they recognized the party. Finally recognized both

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<v Speaker 2>the need to constitute a broader national community and the

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<v Speaker 2>political potential of the workers in the struggle against British occupation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>before the different nationalists came around on this, the anarcho

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.880
<v Speaker 2>syndicalists had already begun trying to attract more Egyptian workers

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>into their Internationalists anarchist struggle. They knew how, they knew

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that to make a real impact, they had to connect

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>with native Egyptian workers. But it's a thing, you know,

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the international union structure wasn't always practical for them. Many

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 2>occupations in Egypt were pretty much exclusive to Egyptians, and

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 2>many occupations in Egypt were pretty much exclusive to Europeans,

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<v Speaker 2>so forming those unions was easier said than done. But

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that didn't stop the anarchists from trying. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>saw the importance of promoting lab organization and militancy among

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the Egyptian working class. And so when the cab drivers

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<v Speaker 2>and Alexandria went on striking nineteen oh three, the anarchists

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 2>were there to gas them up. The anarchists who, of

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<v Speaker 2>course trying to emphasize what the workers had in common,

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the lack of boundaries that labor has, that doesn't care

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<v Speaker 2>for things like nationality, or religion or race, that all

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>workers had the same needs, the same struggles, and the

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:52.640
<v Speaker 2>same aspirations for their well being. Of course, the nationalists

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<v Speaker 2>had their own political visions, so while anarchists emphasized international

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 2>solidarity and shared interests, nationalists were resorting to nativist of

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:04.199
<v Speaker 2>peace and organizational tactics to splinter the labor movement and

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<v Speaker 2>break up at internationalist orientation. To give them some credit, though,

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 2>the Returning Party did recognize the importance of allying with

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 2>foreign workers and urged Egyptian workers during the Trams strike

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eleven to unite and strengthen yourselves and increase

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<v Speaker 2>your numbers through combination and through unity with the European workers,

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<v Speaker 2>your comrades, and let me get to nineteen nineteen and

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<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote nineteen nineteen revolution. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>significant moment in Egyptian history, and an I guests were there,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's talk about it. In nineteen nineteen, the British

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<v Speaker 2>government imposed new taxes and restrictions on civil liberties, which

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<v Speaker 2>further fuel the discontent and united Egyptians from various social,

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>economic and political backgrounds. The spark that ignited. The revolution

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<v Speaker 2>was a deportation of Egyptian nationalist leaders Sad Saglu and

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<v Speaker 2>other political figures by the British authority for opposing their policies. Irresponse,

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>massive protests erupted across the country, with strikes, demonstrations, and

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<v Speaker 2>civil disobedience becoming widespread. Egyptians from all walks of life,

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>including workers, students, intellectuals, and peasants, took part in the movement.

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<v Speaker 2>They were influenced in part by the strategies and tactics

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.239
<v Speaker 2>of the syndicalist presence in the region and abroad at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. The revolution gained momentum and the demands of

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the protesters became more explicit, calling for full independence, a constitution,

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>and an end to British rule. The British authorities initially

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<v Speaker 2>tried to suppress the protests with force, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>led to violent clashes and bloodshed. However, the resilience and

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>unity of the Egyptian people ultimately forced the British government

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize the scale of the uprising and the strength

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 2>of the nationalist movement. In nineteen twenty two, the United

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<v Speaker 2>Kingdom unilaterally declared Egypt's independence. The British continued suit considerable

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<v Speaker 2>influence over Egyptian affairs. One could argue that the specter

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<v Speaker 2>of anarchism would raise its head again in Egypt's history,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly during the Hour of Spring in twenty eleven, when

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<v Speaker 2>anarchic tactics can be found across the Middle East and

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<v Speaker 2>North Africa. In the next part, I'll be talking more

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<v Speaker 2>about what anarchists would doin in Egypt in the late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth and the twentieth centuries. But for now, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that today is anarchists in Egypt and elsewhear can keep

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<v Speaker 2>the flame of freedom burning or power to all the

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<v Speaker 2>people peace. Oh one, this has been Andrew. You can

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